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    empty. shiloh on Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:22 am
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    [19/06/2012 3:21:20 PM--+10UCT]
    Ishtara Raven: Hey how are you tonight guys
    Tony what do you make of this crop circle?

    thubanis: Thanks Raven
    It defines the timing of the Venus Transit

    Ishtara Raven: it does? Do you think she is right about the contact being Andromeda?

    thubanis: Nono, not in the form she presents it, but deeper agendas yes. It is the timing of the planetary configurations. In the middle go there and see my comment

    Ishtara Raven: Yes i did

    thubanis: So this happened so centred 1st week in June.

    Ishtara Raven: I was just curious what the image off to the right of the big sun and solar system was in your thoughts.

    thubanis:
    This is the Logos Sun itself, the Second Coming code of the Maya, the western traditions and the natives, encompassing the quarantined Gaia Bubble extended to Mars.
    I figured it because someone else said its May 2013. But it is June 2012, because Mars must be square a Venus-Mercury Conjunction. And this it is!

    Ishtara Raven: What is the figure off too the right? it looks like a constellation to me and a star.
    thubanis: This is Andromeda but I have not verified. Her story about Perseus and Andromeda feels ok and links to Xeia and the felines of course and nicely too.

    Ishtara Raven: Yeah i thought so

    thubanis: It is the galactic contact in a higher form. Andromeda stars are of course in Perseus-Milky Way.
    Furthermore, the two 'stars' to the left and right of Andromeda the constellation, seem to be two satellite galaxies known as M32 and M110 (Andromeda being M(essier)31 respectively. Speculatively then, one could say that M32 relates to this 'endpoint' of this crop circle line.

    thubanis: M32 contains a supermassive black hole. Its mass has been estimated to lie between 1.5 and 5 million solar masses.

    Ishtara Raven: Tony why do i like that galaxy, everytime i hear that name M32 its like i feel connected to it somehow

    Xeia: I just saw that. It looks blue and I see if i can still find it in my browser's history.

    thubanis:
    32=12+9+6+5=LIFE=3+5+12+12=CELL in alphanumerical codes of the Dragon Kabbalah and M=13 for 13+32=45=USE=LOVE backwards as a palindrome.

    M32 contains a supermassive black hole. Its mass has been estimated to lie between 1.5 and 5 million solar masses. This means there could be galactic sentience in this satellite galaxy.

    thubanis: Well well this COULD mean something if you feel so strongly Raven Lionheart

    Xeia: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/08/video-tour-of-t.html

    30 million Suns is pretty amazing
    Ishtara Raven: I do feel it strongly, infact years ago when i was at the planetarium i got a poster of M32 i loved it so much

    thubanis: Really, well this cropcircle says M32 is the endpoint to connect Andromeda to Earth

    Ishtara Raven: Yes i have always liked it because it looks like a big egg, even though its a dwarf. It symbolises a galactic wedding or dragonomy to me and so the JCCJ in the astrophysics say.

    Ishtara Raven: Don't you think it looks like an egg?

    thubanis: Yes it does!

    Ishtara Raven: Like a big bright luminous egg!



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    SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Jun 21st 2012
    susaneye.

    something interesting to add


    http://www.realufos.net/2012/06/new-crop-circles-in-from-berkley-lane.html
    - need some help to post the pictures and video - thanks, susan




    View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrZ4OO2vTU&feature=related

    Berkley Lane, nr Frome. Somerset. Reported June 17, 2012​
     
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    empty. thubanis on Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:30 pm

    [7:37:08 AM - June 24th, 2012 (+10UCT)]

    The Harmonisation of an Old Astrology in the Elemental Qualities

    I received new data about the '5 trees in paradise' and how this relates to us here.
    I shall give preliminaries to try to make this very clear.
    It is rather important and will explain many things here and the occurrences of the last 2 years or so.
    It is a beautiful harmony, but I shall take this slowly, so you all can understand this.

    Preliminaries:

    The old and modern astrology knows about elements and 'qualities'.
    There are 4 elements Fire-Earth-Air-Water and there are 3 qualities distributed as 3x4=12 in the elements.
    So each element has 3 qualities in 3 starsigns.

    For example in the Fire element:
    Aries=Cardinal=1
    Leo=Fixed=5
    Sagittarius=Mutable=9
    Always 4 signs apart.

    In the Earth:
    Taurus=Fixed=2
    Virgo=Mutable=6
    Capricorn=Cardinal=10

    In the Air:
    Gemini=Mutable=3
    Libra=Cardinal=7
    Aquarius=Fixed=11

    In the Water:
    Cancer=Cardinal=4
    Scorpio=Fixed=8
    Pisces=Mutable=12

    Now the cosmic encoding is very very precise as to how those 12 signs relate to the rebirth of the old world as a new world. I will describe this later.
    So now to the '5 trees in paradise', which describes a duality becoming as one in a cosmic twinship.

    The very simple sequence is this:
    1-2-{3=Cosmic Twin}-4-5...This is like an ASCENT and relates to ascending signs, the local birthtime at sunrise in a geographical location of the natal birth.
    This Cosmic Twin is however also in a DESCENT with a 'transformation' of the 'qualities' in 10=1+0=1 and 11=1+1=2 and 12=1+2=3.
    So you can write the descending of the harmonisation as 10-11-{12=3}-4-5
    This in most basic form defines the Cosmic Twinship as Pisces-Gemini.

    This is the secret code at Chartres for example, where the Knight Templars placed all 10 starsigns on one side of the cathedral except Pisces and Gemini, which they then placed opposite, indicating a certain significance and symbolism for this placement.

    So in terms of starsigns ALL qualities ALWAYS harmonise in opposites.
    So Aries=1 as Fire requires the Air of Libra=7 to 'breathe' and exist.
    The opposites are always 6 signs or 180° apart.

    So Taurus Dry Earth harmonises Scorpio Wet Water as the necessity for water to fertilise a dry earth in 2-8 and Gemini Cold Air harmonises Sagittarius Hot Fire as 3-9 and so on.
    BUT this places Fire and Water into cosmic opposition as it does for Earth and Air.

    The Grand Cosmic Reconfiguration redefines or better said ADDS to this scenario in the '5 trees'.

    Because the Earth of the Father in Saturn's Capricorn is naturally harmonised by the Water of the Full Moon Cancer Mother as 4-10; the transformation of Capricornian Earth into the Fire of Aries will allow many new developments in this rebirth.
    IOW the series 5-4-{3=12}-2-1 = 5-4-{12=3}-11-10
    This is important and a key of keys.
    In terms of starsigns then the DESCENT of IMs (Immanuel Melchisedecs say as encoded in scriptures) and also as the 'Dead Alive Ones' or 'passed over lovers', requires 3 'individualisations' to manifest in the 'alive dead ones', who are the quantum waves 'collapsed' in bodies as the complements for the 'quantum bodies' 'dying' or collapsing to reattain their status as 'living waves'.

    The alive dead ones are here in the above coded as:
    5-4-{twinship}-2-1 with 1 blending with 10 and 2 blending with 11 or
    Leo-Cancer-{Cosmic Twinship}-Taurus/Aquarius-Aries/Capricorn

    This is perfect symmetry in the astrological metamorphosis hitherto.
    There is much to follow, but the coring of Capricornian Father with Cancerian Mother in CARDINALITY is EXPANDED and encompassed by a New Fire-Water harmonisation in Aries-Cancer.

    This is followed by an 5-11 Leo-Aquarius Fire-Air quality as the second twinship of the hexacore in FIXIDITY.
    The MUTABILITY becomes a New Cosmic Blueprint in the nature of the {Cosmic Twinship}.

    Now before elucidating on this, another preliminary:

    About 2 thousand years ago, the Great (precessional) Age of Aries ended to begin the Age of Pisces.
    And in 1998 the Age of Pisces ended in the galactic synchronisation to start the Age of Aquarius.
    This for example was decoded by Edgar Cayce, specifying 1998 as the birth of the 'New Avatar', he called 'John the Beloved'.
    The astrophysics also determined that the galactic synchronisation of the ecliptic with the galactic centre occurred somewhere in the first few months of 1998; (Mees, says April-May 1998, for example).

    But here the deeper codes are the order of the starsigns and many 'allegories' in scripture, such as the 12th apostle Judas being the 'betrayer' and making way or breaking the circle for the 12 starsigns=apostles to expand in more and more circles.
    This is termed the 'gospel to the gentiles' in the NT.
    So the 12th starsign is part of the twinship of course and encoded as Benjamin or Benoni in Genesis.

    Paul as the often despised 'apostle to the gentiles' and 'founder of contemporary ecclesiastical Christianity' also was of the 'tribe of Benjamin' meaning he took the place of Pisces from Judas in the allegory and archetypology.
    So adding Jesus as the Piscean Transformer to the Old Age of Aries is harmonised in subtracting Jesus in the Aquarian Transformer, encoded as the 'water carrier' at the 'Last Supper' in the New Testament.

    This is called ascension and descension in many forms of semantics.
    The key is however to understand that Jesus ascending and Jesus descending becomes the Cosmic Twinship using the 3=12 status with the 'brotherhood' between 2 and 3 and therefore 11 and 3.
    This is the Female decent of the Fixed Aquarius manifested in this core by James as the Jacob and the 'Brother of the Lord'; 'James the Just' was the first 'Bishop of Jerusalem' in the decades after 31 AD.

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):
    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    (12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?"
    Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_the_Just


    The decisive code for the starsign 'twinships' is in Genesis and the 'blessings' for each starsign.
    There it says, that 2=Taurus and 3=Gemini are 'brethren' and undividable 'twins' by association and adjacency of the 'birthright', meaning the 'ordering of the ''Sons of Jacob' and also the ordering or 'naming' of the apostles.

    This shows you then that the Cosmic Twinship {3=12} will be mirrored in itself as the descent=ascent of JCCJ with CJ being the Virgo Earth of the Mutability harmonising in the Water of 12=Pisces
    JC=IM=Pisces=Right Jesus Christ entwined with CJ=MI=Virgo=Mary Magdalene = Left Christ Jesus etc etc.

    Certain developments from the subconscious soul energy, where the Old Eves wish to manifest this 'Virgo' might now become apparent and understandable by the waking consciousness of the human incarnates.

    So the Pisces Symbol becomes the VESICA PISCES as this Cosmic Twinship entwining Gemini=3 with Aquarius=11 via the '3 gods' of {3+12+11}.

    I give you the codes now:

    The 'Dreamer of Dreams' is Joseph Aquarius carrying the 'Coat of Many Colours' and his 'selling into Egyptian slavery' relates to many codes, but is here used to indicate the 'Blessing of Jacob's Sons' and in particular reference to the Simeon-Taurus Levi-Gemini brotherhood (Simeon was left as the ransom in Egypt in the absence of Benjamin, when Joseph became a 'administrator' at pharaoh's court and was unbeknown by his brothers, who sold him into slavery for jealousy as to his apparent favouritism from their father Jacob).
    The 'scattering of the 'holy people' in Jacob and Israel relates to the dragon prophecy encoded in Isaiah and in Daniel and is interwoven in the entire 'encoding program' describing the cosmic metamorphosis or 'rebirth'.
    Overall the archetypolgy describes a 'old brotherhood', say as symbolised by duos such as Cain-Abel, Enki-Enlil, Osiris-Set, Esau-Jacob, Pharez-Zarah, Manasseh-Ephraim or Zeus-Hades in divers fashions and permutations. Renamings or relabellings such as Abram-Abraham with Sarai-Sarah and Jacob-Israel also relate to such decipherments.

    Genesis.49.5-7:
    5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
    6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
    7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.


    Genesis.37.16-24:
    15 And a certain man found him, and, behold, he was wandering in the field: and the man asked him, saying, What seekest thou?
    16 And he said, I seek my brethren: tell me, I pray thee, where they feed their flocks.
    17 And the man said, They are departed hence; for I heard them say, Let us go to Dothan. And Joseph went after his brethren, and found them in Dothan.
    18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him.
    19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh.
    20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
    21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him.
    22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.
    23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him;
    24 And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it.


    Reuben=Aries, Simeon=Taurus and Levi=Gemini and Joseph=Aquarius

    This is a combined twinblessing and I can give you the others, but would not like to overload this as yet out of context.
    The 'instruments of cruelty' we all know very well and have experienced and are experiencing daily in the environments we live and reside in.

    I give the GOT first and then show some other starsign blessings:

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):
    (30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."


    This of course is the {Twinship}.
    Because of the Cardinality of 10=Capricorn and the Fixidity of 11=Aquarius as males; the Starsign Ophiuchus=13 and the starsign of Arachne=14 BOTH manifest as the twinship from the MUTABILITY with 13=1+3=4 and so signifying or 'anointing' the Mother in Cancer by the maleness of Ophiuchus as a 'Serpent Tamer' and 14=1+4=5 in a 'blessing' of the 'Lion of the Sun of Judea' in the femaleness of Arachne as the 'Lioness of Israel'.

    Arachne is like a Taurus-Gemini hybrid aka a Gemini-Aquarius hybrid mutated by Pisces.
    Ophiuchus is like the elemental natural harmony in Taurus-Scorpio and Gemini-Sagittarius.

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):
    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."


    THIS CODE all of you should now Understand.
    The Becoming here is the reconfiguration of a New World from an old remnant
    So WE came into BEINGNESS before the New World even existed in 3D.
    Please try to understand.

    The 5-4-{3=12}-11-10 = 5-4-{3=12}-2-1
    series so is written:
    5-4-{3-12-11}-11-1 or Leo-Cancer-{Gemini-Pisces-Aquarius*}-Aquarius-Aries.

    Aquarius*=Hybrid between Aquarius fixed 'femme fatale' ascended + Taurus Fixed 'femme fatale' descended.

    This then relates in emergent energy streams with the Orion cosmology, Aldebaran and Antares and important stars of the fixidity and related constellations.
    Aldebaran = Regal Star of Taurus-Simeon and Antares = Regal Star of Scorpio-Asher blended with Ophiuchus as the male 'second coming' in twinship with Arachne (spiders appearing) as the female counterpart of the twinship of 3 in 1 in 3 as 2 as 3 as 1.
    Here are the other blessings, I can elaborate upon if so required

    Genesis.49: (KJV)
    1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
    2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.
    3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
    4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.
    5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
    6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
    7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
    8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
    9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
    10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
    11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
    12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
    13 Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.
    14 Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens:
    15 And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.
    16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
    17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
    18 I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.
    19 Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last.
    20 Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties.
    21 Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.
    22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
    23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
    24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
    25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
    26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
    27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.
    28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.
    29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,
    30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.
    31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.
    32 The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth.
    33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.



    There is a key to decode the Piscean Twin in the natal birthcharts.
    But I shall not elaborate on this at he present time except saying compare ascendants.
    I shall now return to more mundane matters

    Ah I apologize
    The names above relate as follows:

    Reuben=Aries
    Simeon=Taurus
    Levi=Gemini
    Dan=Cancer
    Judah=Leo
    Gad=Virgo
    Naphtali=Libra
    Asher=Scorpio
    Issachar=Sagittarius
    Zebulon=Capricorn
    Josep=Aquarius
    Benjamin=Pisces

    Last comment:
    We are HELPING this cosmic birth to manifest in 3D.
    We are in no way 'elevated' or special, but our individual incarnation 'contracts' and soul energies ALLOW US to manifest a new blueprint of 'higherD' dna beyond the 'lowerD' dna.
    After the birth we will be relieved from this function and enabled to go our separate ways, if we so desire in individual choices
    So in praxis; OUR 'work' will end December 21st thereabouts.


    thubanis




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    empty. Raven on Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:54 am
    http://www.leahwhitehorse.com/2012/06/21/uranus-square-pluto-radical-revelations/

    Uranus is the planet of shocking change, invention, technology, innovation, rebellion, breakthrough, detachment, electricity, independence, liberation, progressions, reform, revolution, awakening. He can also be association with alienation, tyranny and sheer bloody-mindedness.

    Pluto is concerned with catharsis, control, dictators, secrets, large organisations, survival, compulsion, crime, destruction, elimination, re-birthing, psychoanalysis, recycling, cleansing. Pluto is also connected to wealth and the concept of power.

    The First Square of 2012 – Sabian Symbols

    The first of the squares on the 24th June 2012 will involve the Sabians: -

    A Crystal Gazer (Uranus 8ARI23)

    An Angel Carrying A Harp (Pluto 8CAP23)
     
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    empty. Raven on Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:34 am


    TRANCOSO wrote:
    30-95.

    1#SUPPRESSED: New Evidence of Early Man

    What happens when scientific evidence conflicts with theory? In the early sixties, discoveries were made in Central Mexico, which were the handiwork of early man. Exquisitely carved animal bones and advanced spear points caused much excitement, including a Life Magazine article, until the dates came in. 5 mutually exclusive geological tests revealed they were over 250,000 years old. In spite of the geochronology, archaeologists insisted the dates were too ridiculously old. This world-class archaeological region became off-limits for official research, a "professional forbidden zone."​



    Re: Michael Cremo: Forbidden History Of Our Planet [Re: Kismet]

    Re: Michael Cremo: Forbidden History Of Our Planet [Re: Kismet]

    I only watched the first few minutes, but generally their theme is that modern man has been on the planet for many millions of years. The claimed evidence are archaeological anomalies that (they say) show modern artifacts (or bones) being much much older then the general view.

    The most obvious flaw is that if modern humans have been around so long, why are there only a few anomalous findings to support this (even if they really are anomalies, which I doubt), why are not such findings the norm?

    Also Dr Thompson's degree is in mathematics and Cremo never finished college, so their credentials in archaeology are a bit lacking. To see if there is any sense to their claims at all you'd have to track down at least some of the claimed artifacts. On the surface it reminds me of Erich Von Danekn's claim that the statues on Easter Island could not possibly have been built and erected by the inhabitants without help from ET. Wow, amazing... until Thor Heyerdahl had the sense to ask the locals about them and got the response "oh sure we make those, would you like to see?" and was shown how it was all done, no ET required.

    Take for example their claim (also used by many creationists) that there are fossilized human footprints alongside dinosaur prints in Texas. This claim has been throughly debunked. See http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/paluxy.php and http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html .
    Without peer review the sort of claims made in the film are pretty meaningless.

    Finally, as self proclaimed Vedic Creationists, I'm not so sure the authors have much ground to accuse others of a bias.

    http://www.apologetics.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=163500
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact


    What follows is an excellent debunking of NBC and BC Video's "Mysterious
    Origins of Man".
    It was written by Frank Steiger and posted to the talk.origins
    newsgroup.

    On February 25, 1996 NBC aired The Mysterious Origins of Man. The
    following is a list of claims made by the program, followed by my
    rebuttal:

    In their search for answers about man's origins, scientists gather
    evidence based on what they observe. But sometimes evidence turns up
    that completely contradicts their accepted theories.


    Please read the following general comment on the program:​
    I only watched the first few minutes, but generally their theme is that modern man has been on the planet for many millions of years. The claimed evidence are archaeological anomalies that (they say) show modern artifacts (or bones) being much much older then the general view.

    The most obvious flaw is that if modern humans have been around so long, why are there only a few anomalous findings to support this (even if they really are anomalies, which I doubt), why are not such findings the norm?

    Also Dr Thompson's degree is in mathematics and Cremo never finished college, so their credentials in archaeology are a bit lacking. To see if there is any sense to their claims at all you'd have to track down at least some of the claimed artifacts. On the surface it reminds me of Erich Von Danekn's claim that the statues on Easter Island could not possibly have been built and erected by the inhabitants without help from ET. Wow, amazing... until Thor Heyerdahl had the sense to ask the locals about them and got the response "oh sure we make those, would you like to see?" and was shown how it was all done, no ET required.

    Take for example their claim (also used by many creationists) that there are fossilized human footprints alongside dinosaur prints in Texas. This claim has been throughly debunked. See http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/paluxy.php and http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html .
    Without peer review the sort of claims made in the film are pretty meaningless.

    Finally, as self proclaimed Vedic Creationists, I'm not so sure the authors have much ground to accuse others of a bias.

    http://www.apologetics.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=163500
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artefact


    What follows is an excellent debunking of NBC and BC Video's "Mysterious
    Origins of Man".
    It was written by Frank Steiger and posted to the talk.origins
    newsgroup.

    On February 25, 1996 NBC aired The Mysterious Origins of Man. The
    following is a list of claims made by the program, followed by my
    rebuttal:

    In their search for answers about man's origins, scientists gather
    evidence based on what they observe. But sometimes evidence turns up
    that completely contradicts their accepted theories.

    Please read the following general comment on the program:

    On February 25, 1996 NBC aired a program, "The Mysterious Origins of Man," narrated by Charlton Heston. The conclusion of the program is that the scientific community processes information through a "knowledge filter" that screens out data that doesn't fit its preconceived ideas.

    In fact, it's just the other way around. The statements in this video do not stand up to critical examination, and in most cases consist of old arguments that have been repeatedly and conclusively refuted as far back as 1984 and earlier.
    There is a great deal of contradictory information that could have been presented by scientists intimately familiar with
    these hoaxes. This information was not presented because it would have destroyed the goal of the program: to attack science.
    The program was nothing more than a one-sided propaganda video with strong overtones of religious fundamentalism masquerading as science.

    The idea was continually stressed that scientists were unable to explain these findings, but no opportunity was given to legitimate scientists to provide any alternative explanations!

    The following comment and analysis is submitted to provide the information filtered out by the producers of this video. Permission is given to reproduce this post, in whole or in part, with no restrictions.



    http://user.xmission.com/~tlacy/mom.txt


    But this research carries validity!
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