Robert S. Powell · 22 hrs · Roseburg, OR, United States · Cartesian Duality is back! But with a twist This time, it can be interpreted (in either spiritual or religious terms) as the beginnings of a scientific explanation for an ongoing Creation from the quantum realm of physics into the classical realm of DNA/RNA biology with God in Being rather than outside of us. In this incredible lecture, Susskind gives us our first glimpses of this new duality. It's an hour long, but it's worth some high time, if only to add to your own version of our rapidly changing worldviews. Entanglement and Complexity: Gravity and Quantum Mechanics Professor Leonard Susskind describes how gravity and quantum information theory have come together to create a new way of thinking about physical… youtube.com Giovanni Franceschini ...ironic, a reply to a tweet this morning: Guy Longworth @GuyLongworth Thesis: it's much harder to generate a clear positive Gettier case (one in which the provocateur knows) than a negative one. GiovanniBerchtold @GuyLongworth ...every expressed system creates its own god. (nudge-wink on tenses and singular-plural.) Robert S. Powell Wow, right on, Giovanni. It took me awhile to understand. Are you implying that the affirmation of knowledge comes from an eternal and universally embodied substrate of being? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem Giovanni Franceschini , well, living systems are perforce plural, of course, and evolved. You can, there, change the notion to - any expressed god creates its own systems (or tries to,) ecc. Knowledge, the gettier stuff... this gets rich quickly, and would call for a bit of delineation. A lot, or it's a book. Keep to the gettier, the response above that came to mind both on seeing your post and again as susskind talked about black holes from entangled and not particles....pause. It's a bit unexpectedly difficult, and not from the too much roast chicken in my stomach. Shove it into a few words.... knowledge (any)... has already taken place. It's representation is what follows, but isn't knowledge. ie, even the shape of neurons, maybe not only, can leave traces of memory (you might recall about a year or two ago, the mice, knock out NT communication but still...) Affirmation of knowledge is based largely on the later, representation whereas as knowledge...wouldn't use eternal/embodied but systemic and universally recursive, substrates. Robert S. Powell Is this like Max Tegmark's statement that, for all he knows, qualia, the stuff that vitalizes our experience of being, is how the processing of Platonic information feels? Winifred Thompson Einstein's ER=EPR has suggested the key to their connection can be found in space time tunnels known as wormholes, and the mysterious link between subatomic particles known as entanglement. The key to merging QM and GR would explain the mystery of entanglement, that spacetime itself could merge from quantum entanglement. Ultimately the controversies over how to interpret QM could be resolved in the process. Tony Bermanseder This emergence is the lower dimensional universe of the instanton aka Quantum Big Bang from its higher dimensional 'parent' of the inflaton. The universe was one third of a trillionth billionth millionth thousandth of a second old when this occurred. GR and QM are merged in the quantum gravity of the wormhole, being a 'hyperspace' inside two quantum entangled Black Hole Event Horizons. I t is because of this entanglement, that the two Black Holes no matter how separated, can indeed form a higher dimensional geometric structure which allows the hyperbolic negative curvature (Anti de Sitter spacetime) of the boundaries to connect themselves across this then positively (enclosed ellipsoidal positively curved) 'superspace' in the proposed mirror duality. The quantum gravity is transmitted as graviton exchange and where the gravitons are open Dirichlet 10D strings entering the inside of the Black Hole and attached as as 11D supermembranes in dimensionally reduced (11-4) 7D Calabi Yau manifolds on each of the event horizons. Robert S. Powell It's a beautiful model Mike Sabol Well, they're getting there aren't they? These tensor networks are a "dualism" of entropic phase spaces. I think we will find that there are more than QM/GR Duality. Something keeps winding the mainspring of the universe and the fact that evolution of one side of the duality causes the other side to increase in energy and complexity. Causality is multi-directional and multi-dimensional. I think that Barbour's timeless coordinates would sit neatly in the described Tensor Networks It also seems that the embracing of these "Dualities" is a means by which we can tackle the universal "spiritual" idea of Paradox. I think that we'll also discover via higher dimensional computational topology that the Undefined and Infinite operators on Zero are actually physical realities that relate to the transform of tensor bonds from one network to another. I would be very interested to see Sir Penrose approach the topic. Robert S. Powell Fascinating, Mike. I'm re-reading Barbour now. I'm beginning to understand that the arrow of time is a property of classical ensembles only. Does that mean quantum entangled systems are eternal? Giovanni Franceschini Robert S. Powell , one of the questions I sort of have to, eh, understand, or try. (assumption is, eh, yes, except that eternal wouldn't be the word or concept.) Mike Sabol Robert S. Powell, like Giovanni, I'm not sure "Eternal" is the word I would choose. But I do think that the tensor networks could be a "reverse entropy" of sorts, in relations to the classical systems. Again I see these things as a multitude of phase spaces that combine, and split, via entropic evolution from one domain to another. What I heard Susskind talking about was the possibility of a mathematical model that could sustain a migration of entanglement across disparate phase spaces, which is what I mean by "winding the mainspring" of the universe. I might postulate that this entangled/entropic migration is what is "Eternal". I don't see "Time" as being an arrow. per se. Or rather, I see "Time" as heuristic construction of our consciousness as we implement a "line of best fit" to Barbour's coordinates. The underlying soup of possibility is eternal. But the possibilities are endless. A la Alan Watts. Tony Bermanseder Excellent video Robert. Now do you remember how I emphasised the two black hole event horizon in the string modular duality in my talk with Allen Francom? If you watch this video from Susskind again and focus of the two entangled Black Holes and their inner anti deSitter spacetime connection, you will see Susskind asking a question about the 'extra spacetime' created by the quantum entanglement, namely the quantum gravitational effect created by this entanglement. He says that he does not know if Alice and Bob can meet due to the inner Black Hole expanding as the Black Hole's complexity and entropy. This extra space is precisely what manifests the de Sitter spacetime in the higher dimensional graviton exchange by the Dirichlet branes from the boundary (the Quantum Field conformal mapping mentioned by Susskind). As de Sitter spacetime is higher D and positively curved in General Relativity; but anti de Sitter space is hyperbolic and negatively curved there; it will be the geometrical boundaries, say left and right or Alice's and Bob's entry points of the two entangled Black Holes, which will allow the inner space to change curvature and so become enclosed in the membrane space of the string duality. So you can point Susskind into the right direction to answer his question, in saying that the two boundary event horizons in anti de Sitter spacetime mirror each other as hyperbolic spacetime in spheroidal de Sitter spacetime inside of the Black Hole. Therefore it is again the Graviton quantum mechanics inside the wormhole, which enables the perturbation or 'butterfly effect' of the boundary complexity to reduce to Maldacenas bulk gravity as a 5D- curved to 4D-flat quantum entanglement. Two boundaries as the event horizons of the nonperturbed quantum field then enclose the inner EPR=ER wormhole spacetime as a Black Hole Dyad with the information on the two boundaries being transmitted in the 'extra space' in the wormhole being higher dimensional as the 'cosmological complex geometry' of Susskind, albeit colocal AS de Sitter spacetime with/entangled the anti de Sitter spacetime of the boundaries as the ER=EPR equivalence as Susskinds revolutionary breakthrough in theoretical physics. Robert S. Powell Yes, Tony, I remembered. Your comment is what drove me to really listen to Susskind's lecture all the way through. And thanks for your comment. This is my first venture into string theory and branes, so it's pretty exciting The Planck Length here is a minimisation configuration of what I have addressed as the Weyl string of the Quantum Big Bang or instanton in my talks with Allen. Allen should really take the string modular duality more serious, because, as you see in this video, many avenues in complexity theory and quantum computing appear to find their solutions in applying tensor charts and their applications of modular duality to the entanglement questions. Your own work on consciousness would also become enriched, should you be able to familiarise yourself better with the charts and links I shared with you. Just remember the 'emptyness' of the atom as a emergent neutron-nucleon physics will allow the fields of chemistry and biology to also discover their long awaited breakthroughs. Susskind admitted that he did 'not believe' in wormholes before this discovery lol. So it shall be with the science of universal consciousness. Yes I watched your video just a few hours ago and as I sort of know what Susskind is looking for for the 'next revolution', I decided to recall your sharing to inform and share the video and comments. Robert S. Powell I too am resisting the idea of universal consciousness on the assumption that Big Bang qualia, lacking the context that comes with locality and temporality, also lacks choice and agency. In my model of reality, agency and conscious choice evolves with classical complexity from a deterministic substrate. On the other hand,thinking metaphorically from an evolutionary perspective, the Big Bang implies a "Big Birth." I can imagine "little births" could follow in the transition from Big Bang to star systems to geo-spheres to biospheres as beings with localized and temporalized centers of consciousness are born, like, here and now on Earth. I have always assumed that localized and temporalized (in spacetime) beings are, potentially, both subjects and objects of intent, free of quantum entanglement, except within the DNA/RNA complex in the nuclei of every cell, but dynamically entangled classically and locally in accord with the inter-connectivity rules of chemistry (the "chemical mind") that allows inter-atomic interaction/communication, the "bio-chemical mind" of intercellular communication, the "hormonal mind" of emotion, the "neuronal mind" of reason, and most recently in the evolution of earthly being, the "linguistic mind" of cultural memes. In this holarchic model of locally and temporally embodied consciousness, it seems to follow that the DNA/RNA complex at the core of all viruses and cells are connected by the tensor chart of wormholes in the substrate of spacetime. Tony Bermanseder I perceive your 'objections' very well Robert; but allow me to assure you that this 'physical consciousness' fully supports your scientific and intellectual sentiments. I might say to you, that my own work is only in its secondary nature cosmologically scientific; but that my primary objective is the cosmogony preceding this Quantum Big Bang Cosmology. My expertise and training in physics is far removed from my actual raison de etre' of being in this world for the time being. My main work is similar to yours, but not in terms of scientific nomenclature, but in the decoding of ancient scrolls and the overall cosmic evolution in terms of the 'universal intelligence' often misnomered as 'spirituality' and similar labels often associated with notions of religion. As I have said before, what science perceives as matter and inertia can very well be defined as some generic 'prima materia' from which ALL of the scientific form of energy emerged. This 'primal source energy' you perceive as holarchic form, which of course could also be associated with Leibnitz' monads or Spinoza's primal essence and more modern forms such as ether or orgone or chi or lifeforce or spirit and so on, then itself manifests the physical metaphysical holons say, through the 'discovery'-afterthought of mathematical laws of nature from a undefined forethought potential of universal or cosmic intelligence. Subsequently you might find, that the entire notion of an evolving universe and all its substructures like galaxies, starsystems, planets, geologies and lifeforms is indeed reducible to the 'cosmic intelligence' or metaphysical consciousness finding structure and form in its materialisation into physicality. Summararily then, your objections are unwarranted if you could perceive the emergence of the physical consciousness from its own unmanifested potential. Robert S. Powell Yes, I can now understand why you differentiate between "physical" consciousness (what I call "embodied" consciousness) and the un-embodied substrate of the universally, quantum-entangled sort I think of as spirituality. I am reminded of Tom Campbell and his realization that we all have our own models to justify a spiritual substrate to our conscious experience of being. I think that comes with agency and choice. Tony Bermanseder I like Tom Campbell yes; but no I don't differentiate between physical and universal consciousness as you do. Your embodiment is an evolving-emergent form of the universal with me and yes I would term this embodiment as individuation from the universal, albeit always quantum entangled in that form. Y Your reductionist methodology to say reduce the mind to neuronal activity or accentuation in biochemistry I would embellish in say the differentiation between organic and inorganic chemistry. This eventually reduces to the self-replication of viruses in geometric symmetries and eventually reduce to the reproduction of crystals including quasi crystals of Schechtmanite -Penrose patterns and from there to the weak parity violation of the weak nuclear force in say the chirality of beta minus decay and neutrino definitions. The Penrose-Hameroff models of consciousness go a long way in this approach, but fail in the superpositions they define as either-or and the notion of a quantum scale threshold for this 'microtubular' dynamic. Also the Bohmian guidewaves and Einstein's 'hidden variable' could be easily integrated in the 'Thuban' cosmology in my view. Robert S. Powell So the major difference between your "top-down" or "outside- in' viewpoint and my "bottom-up" or "inside-out" viewpoint resides in the question, "is the feedback between the two ongoing, or is the experience of being locally embodied separating itself (differentiating) from universal qualia as the creation expands?" Tony Bermanseder This question reduces to how you define locality. Locality in General Relativity aka the geometry of space engages the notion of 'vector transport' and so to the mathematics of orientability and the noncommutative nature of matrices in the formalism. This then is applied in flat Minkowski spacetime which cosmologically becomes the question of the universe's topology or shape. Here then the anti deSitter spacetime comes into conflict in the Maldacena models/conjecture because this AdS has no boundary due to its hyperbolic curvature. you can find a detailed discusson on the Maldacena gravity applied to the universe and its holographic cosmology on the woowoo forum. But now, say via your Stanford-Susskind presentation the nphysicists have realised that the locality of general relativity is altered inside quantum entangled objects, bounded by Black Hole event horizons. But as all objects can be expressed as Schwarzschild metrics and because the entire universe can be expressed as a complex Riemann sphere in 4 spacial dimensions with a 3-dimensional boundary surface albeit expressed as a 3-dimensional torus volume; this universal quantum entanglement is by nature ALWAYS inside a so called Strominger Eternal Black Hole (meaning there is no Hawking Radiation and therefore no massloss or decay). Your bottom-up approach is complementary to the top-down approach, because of holofractal self-similarity and the physical nature of the hologram, differing in intensity, but carrying all the information of the total sum of its siblings say. Tony Bermanseder The locality in modular spacetime so simply becomes the event horizon defining the inner space and outer space of the Black Hole and as defined by the Relativities outside in the 'lower D' and inside in the 'higher D'. Of course many notions of the status quo regarding what a 'virtual particle' is and the nature of Hawking Radiation and the entire idea of Susskind's and co's obsession with quantum fluctuations as the origin of the universe requires modification, should the actual availability of Maldacena's 'missing boundary' in AdS space be better understood.(The 4D spacetime becomes embedded in 4+7=11 dimensions as the 'Mother Black Hole' hologram say and this 11D Witten-spacetime becomes the Möbian twosidedness say like a double-sided mirror for the inside-outside continuity). This is shown in your clip as an introduction. The quantum fluctuation is the twosidedness manifesting top[ologically from its Möbian onesidedness. Iris and Allen will like this origin of the material from their own namesaked geometric topology of the primordial wormhole. This is related to our previous talk about consciousness and the holographic information universe; having something to do with dark matter and dark energy and the fate of the universe in an omniverse of multiverses. This Susskind lecture describes this and the dilemma of the 'thermodynamic cosmology' in relative layman terms and our previous talks should fill in some gaps about the status quo for you as well. You will like the fractal flow at the end of this lecture in your model and it fits extremely well into modular string duality with the Sourcesink Eps and the sinksource Ess and where the Eps eigenstate defines the quantum state of the wormhole as a primary sourcesink and the antiwormhole (as the 2 entangled event horizons) defines the secondary sinksource. Iow Susskinds final speculation is the Thuban supersymmetry of fourtiered creation from Definiton to Inflaton to Instanton to Continuon. Robert S. Powell Thanks Tony, I'll watch it tonight. With respect to your previous comment: Beautifully argued. It will take me awhile to dig into such a perfect edifice! I can well understand your fascination with ancient Egyptian thinking. I am reminded of the pyramids by the grand sweep of your vision (opps, model, giggle). I feel like Gilgamesh or Odysseus, digging down in the underworld, by comparison. I am happy we are both seeking the animating eye. To carry that mix of metaphor to it's limit, it seems we're doomed to find consciousness on the surface, between heavenly self realization and sub-conscious hell. Tony Bermanseder Indeed; perhaps you might look at my discussion of the Mayan calendar and the intricacies of how the Maya rendered the life of one of their major kings Pacal the Great to construct their cosmology using the great Platonic ages of the precession. In utilizing their inscriptions around 650 AD, the recent Gaian history of the last 26,000 years can be constructed and relate rather intrinsically to the present times of political transformations as a punctuated equilibrium in the evolvement of the human civilization. Tony Bermanseder Yes I watched your video just a few hours ago and as I sort of know what Susskind is looking for for the 'next revolution', I decided to recall your sharing to inform and share the video and comments. https://cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php... The Quantum Big Bang in the Weyl String and Supermembrane EpsEss Robert S. Powell Ah, the Elders of Thuban. Great site. Now I know I'm beyond science into woo woo. Tony Bermanseder Indeed the Ouroboros of woowoo land of Pyramids and the Nag Hammadi lexicons..