Conversations Regarding The Cosmic Changes In Archetypes And Symbols - The Cosmic Baker's Recipes!

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    empty. Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    empty. Raven Today at 4:24 am
    The Cosmic Baker's Recipes!

    [3:34:58 PM - Wednesday, September 12th, 2012 - (+10UCT)]

    Thubanis: The Cosmic Baker's recipes. This JT convo was good yes

    [3:35:42 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh ya lots of great info coming to the light now
    [3:35:47 PM] Thubanis: Perhaps we should publish it at MOA
    [3:36:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: sure
    [3:36:49 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: should dress it up and throw a big show
    [3:37:00 PM] Thubanis: You wanna do that?
    [3:37:07 PM] Thubanis: With pics perhaps?
    [3:37:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i already was yappin bout some of it on my ciabook wall
    [3:37:23 PM] Thubanis: Raven and me can do it
    [3:37:43 PM] Thubanis: Would be good though if you can share it
    [3:37:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: go nuts lol i did
    [3:38:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well sure i can post some of it
    [3:38:16 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: perhaps i will start smashing a few things
    [3:38:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: stranger things have happened
    [3:39:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i am very excited about star gates

    [9/11/2012 3:55:52 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: hmmmmm
    [9/11/2012 3:57:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so how come you going bonkers lol
    [9/11/2012 3:57:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: do our thoughts mirror back into our reality?
    [9/11/2012 3:58:58 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: like star cruisers and eternal life!
    [9/11/2012 3:59:16 PM] Thubanis: Who is going bonkers?
    [9/11/2012 3:59:46 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i was outside chillin...and just as i was walking towards the door i saw another zippy little light orpb blink in and out go flying by
    [9/11/2012 4:00:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: whos not going crazy might be a better question
    [9/11/2012 4:00:03 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: :)
    [9/11/2012 4:00:06 PM] Thubanis: Micjer
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    Micjer Yesterday at 9:52 pm
    Canada being steadily Zionized

    If anyone wants to see what a US administration under Mormon-Zionist Mitt Romney would look like, one only has to look at the steady Zionization of Canada under the government of Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

    Canada, a one-time independent-minded NATO member whose diplomatic offices were once valued by Third World governments as a trusted liaison to Washington, is now considered by many nations as more right-wing and anti-Muslim and anti-Arab than the United States. Canada’s recent decision to expel the Iranian embassy staff in Ottawa and call home Canadian diplomats in Tehran at the behest of Israel supporters in the Canadian Conservative Party and their allies in the right-wing government of Israel is a testament to Canada’s far-right foreign policy.

    [9/11/2012 4:00:33 PM] Thubanis: Look at this just posted 'ZIONISATION'; but they don't see the archetypes in the cosmic sense
    [9/11/2012 4:00:46 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: Who is Micjer?!
    [9/11/2012 4:00:58 PM] Thubanis:
    [9/11/2012 4:01:03 PM] Thubanis: Some Moabyte
    [9/11/2012 4:01:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: he is from the original Project Avalon 1 forum
    [9/11/2012 4:01:35 PM] Thubanis: There is a much much deeper ZION happening now
    [9/11/2012 4:01:45 PM] Thubanis: Not political NABS
    [9/11/2012 4:01:50 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: he says he lives in my very close to me
    [9/11/2012 4:01:58 PM] Thubanis: Yes, I thought that too
    [9/11/2012 4:02:19 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: he used to make many posts and we had a few private msgs
    [9/11/2012 4:02:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i cant recal the details of them now
    [9/11/2012 4:02:35 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: prob harper nwo kinda stuff
    [9/11/2012 4:03:43 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what is it that you are saying they are missing...the shifting that is taking in the higher dimension ... the archetypes
    [9/11/2012 4:04:21 PM] Thubanis: Yes the energy behind the symbols becomes like this 3D stuff, but the actual cause of this is cosmic
    [9/11/2012 4:05:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh
    [9/11/2012 4:06:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: behind what symbols?
    [9/11/2012 4:06:49 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i really dont like harper and have called for his arrest several times again about 1 hour ago
    [9/11/2012 4:07:12 PM] Thubanis: The symbols are the code like cosmic genetic programming JT
    [9/11/2012 4:07:39 PM] Thubanis: Its what created the genetic code of the biochemistry you can see as lifeforms
    [9/11/2012 4:08:35 PM] Thubanis: Just ask yourself just how chemical elements can combine in a nucleotidal base alphabet and form proteins from amino acids to make all those bodyforms
    [9/11/2012 4:08:43 PM] Thubanis: Its a Matrix program
    [9/11/2012 4:09:10 PM] Thubanis: Its intelligent
    [9/11/2012 4:09:47 PM] Thubanis: It is from those codes, that ET morphs and starships would be built
    [9/11/2012 4:11:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh those symbols icon_wink. amazing!
    [9/11/2012 4:11:32 PM] Thubanis: Its an actual cosmic computer program JT
    [9/11/2012 4:11:33 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well it sounds like we need to do some code cracking on healing and health
    [9/11/2012 4:12:05 PM] Thubanis: The universe itself BEING the computer hardware and the collective cosmic intelligence and consciousness responsible for the software
    [9/11/2012 4:12:19 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh nice!
    [9/11/2012 4:12:29 PM] Thubanis: Many realise this JT
    [9/11/2012 4:12:43 PM] Thubanis: How all things are connected and interwoven
    [9/11/2012 4:12:58 PM] Thubanis: Holographic Matrix in science semantics
    [9/11/2012 4:13:27 PM] Thubanis: But this 'intelligence' forms a bridge between all worlds and all dimensions
    [9/11/2012 4:14:30 PM] Thubanis: Any future 'New World' would have to BE aware of this energy as a resonance energy vibration (say) to manipulate the multiD
    [9/11/2012 4:14:55 PM] Thubanis: This is what the NABS calls 'higher vibrational consciousness'
    [9/11/2012 4:18:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so how can this knowledge and understaning of it be used to stop the wars and the noise about it?
    [9/11/2012 4:18:54 PM] Thubanis: I can see only one way to end the violence JT
    [9/11/2012 4:19:18 PM] Thubanis: In practical terms the Old World is 'run' by two things
    [9/11/2012 4:20:14 PM] Thubanis: The Religion of the technocrats, the developers, the economics, money speculators or currency 'sharks', and the investors, all requiring a Universal Code and philosophy and this is 'Modern Science';
    [9/11/2012 4:20:56 PM] Thubanis: The other thing is the Religion of the 'lesser educated' and this is what the 'religions' then become, including alternatives, like 'New Age philosophy'
    [9/11/2012 4:21:35 PM] Thubanis: So the Science of the 'rich' is Science and the Science of the 'poor' is Religion
    [9/11/2012 4:21:56 PM] Thubanis: To MAKE PEACE between ALL religions has become IMPOSSIBLE now
    [9/11/2012 4:22:37 PM] Thubanis: EXCEPT a 'higher cosmic' agenda infiltrates, even 'wars' against the old split or the science-religion dichotomies
    [9/11/2012 4:22:52 PM] Thubanis: So what CAN 'save' humanity?
    [9/11/2012 4:22:57 PM] Thubanis: CONTACT only
    [9/11/2012 4:23:34 PM] Thubanis: The contactees however are NOT aliens from outer space, but a human remnant which has evolved past the old genotype
    [9/11/2012 4:24:50 PM] Thubanis: So in practical terms, this means that 'alien ETs', somehow interwoven with our so called 'dead ones' or 'passed over ones' must come and hybridise with this remant, which we here call Dragons
    [9/11/2012 4:25:29 PM] Thubanis: It actually is a true hybridisation between bodyforms in a new morphogenetic structure
    [9/11/2012 4:26:01 PM] Thubanis: Not cyborgs like in scifi between humans and machines; but between humans and starhumans aka ET forms
    [9/11/2012 4:26:21 PM] Thubanis: Caterpillar into Butterfly in a Cosmometamorphosis
    [9/11/2012 4:26:50 PM] Thubanis: This is the 'Dream' of the Old Humanity
    [9/11/2012 4:27:14 PM] Thubanis: And it will be POSSIBLE, but not perhaps imminent from Xmas 2012
    [9/11/2012 4:27:39 PM] Thubanis: IMO it will take until 2034 to 'wean' the old human into a new human
    [9/11/2012 4:27:53 PM] Thubanis: But it SHOULD start Xmas 2012
    [9/11/2012 4:28:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well
    [9/11/2012 4:28:52 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: contact from those of us who have done the hybirdization eh
    [9/11/2012 4:29:59 PM] Thubanis: Yes, and I would say we are qualified. But the timing is arbitrary and in the auspices of the 'Cosmic Merlins' lol.
    Only the nexus date of the beginnings is fixed.
    [9/11/2012 4:31:09 PM] Thubanis: To KNOW this story MIGHT be the prerequisite to 'make contact' and to hybridise with the ETs, which are themselves like our ancestors see this?
    [9/11/2012 4:31:50 PM] Thubanis: In terms of mind we are their 'children' or descendants BUT in terms of bodyform we are their parents and ancestors
    [9/11/2012 4:32:36 PM] Thubanis: From this understanding now, you can 'make sense' of all the NABS about genetic engeneerings, ET experiments, reptilians, greys and what have you
    [9/11/2012 4:33:01 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:
    [Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4 PM] Thubanis:
    <<< To KNOW this story MIGHT be the prerequisite to 'make contact' and to hybridise with the ETs, which are themselves like our ancestors see this?

    ummmm sort of lol

    [9/11/2012 4:33:18 PM] Thubanis: The ET wants Gaia's bodyshapes and forms and those lifeforms wish to share in the cosmic ET intelligence
    [9/11/2012 4:33:53 PM] Thubanis: Well it becomes a function of how electric parts of life interact with magnetic parts
    [9/11/2012 4:34:44 PM] Thubanis: Animal instinct is magnetic primary as inductance and ET sentience is electric capacitative without a proper bodyform
    [9/11/2012 4:35:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:

    Hybridisation or hybridization may refer to:

    The process of combining different varieties of organisms to create a hybrid (biology)
    Nucleic acid hybridisation, the process of joining two complementary strands of DNA
    Orbital hybridisation, the mixing of atomic orbitals to form new orbitals suitable for bonding
    The process of one variety (linguistics) blending with another variety
    The alteration of a vehicle into a hybrid electric vehicle
    In evolutionary algorithms, the merging two or more optimization techniques into a single algorithm
    Memetic algorithm, a common template for hybridisation
    In Globalization theory, the ongoing blending of cultures
    Hybridization in Business Information Systems, the creation of a third medium
    Hybridization in political election campaign communication, the combining of campaign techniques developed in different countries
    The controversial hypothesis of Neanderthal and human hybridization

    [9/11/2012 4:35:06 PM] Thubanis: So ETs want bodies and animals want higher mind
    [9/11/2012 4:35:23 PM] Thubanis: It is as simple as that. And to get it it must blend and merge
    [9/11/2012 4:35:39 PM] Thubanis: Therefore the human embryo NABS and abduction experiences
    [9/11/2012 4:36:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so what is being hybridized...the body forms? our physical body with the et intellignce?
    [9/11/2012 4:36:23 PM] Thubanis: Yes, both in say a cross coupling multiD sex
    [9/11/2012 4:37:38 PM] Thubanis: As you see in the wiki reference, this is what scientists (anthropologists) consider in homo sapiens to homo sapiens sapiens Neanderthal and Cro Magnon colloquially
    [9/11/2012 4:38:19 PM] Thubanis: Its on the cellular level of the microbiology in the DNA but also macrocosmically
    [9/11/2012 4:38:42 PM] Thubanis: Worlds of ETs intersecting with the Human Egg or Cocoon of the Quarantine
    [9/11/2012 4:38:51 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh ya!
    [9/11/2012 4:39:16 PM] Thubanis: The Story 'fits all' see; but the timing depends on some other things
    [9/11/2012 4:39:47 PM] Thubanis: We can only hope, that the required decoding of the symbols is adequate in the cosmic necessities
    [9/11/2012 4:40:15 PM] Thubanis: If it is 'acceptable' then contact will be in 2013/14 the latest
    [9/11/2012 4:40:46 PM] Thubanis: First Contact for the few in hybridisation but as a 'presence' for the global human
    [9/11/2012 4:41:06 PM] Thubanis: More details I dont know as yet
    [9/11/2012 4:41:32 PM] Thubanis: Also just HOW this hybridisation of the 'few' will occur is still veiled
    [9/11/2012 4:41:35 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well that is quite a lot of information you have just shared here now
    [9/11/2012 4:41:49 PM] Thubanis: It is the 'Story' JT
    [9/11/2012 4:42:17 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yup and we are living it would seem...AND SO IT BEGINS...
    [9/11/2012 4:42:22 PM] Thubanis: Not my story, no matter what people might say; but the Logos story of whom all incarnates and discarnates are matrix members
    [9/11/2012 4:42:44 PM] Thubanis: But there will be a war, a mental Armageddon = Dragon Made say
    [9/11/2012 4:42:59 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh i would love to smash a few minds!
    [9/11/2012 4:43:18 PM] Thubanis: The way I see the future and the 'fulfilment' of prophecies
    [9/11/2012 4:43:52 PM] Thubanis: The 'Holy Books' MUST BE museumized, meaning their potency must become dissolved by a NEW STORY eating the OLD STORY
    [9/11/2012 4:45:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i like new stories
    [9/11/2012 4:46:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so do you think we can stop the physical wars and the zionization of the harper regiem?
    [9/11/2012 4:46:27 PM] Thubanis: You are being The New Story JT, in BEING Mark Twain and Merlin and the Begger of Calcutta
    [9/11/2012 4:46:48 PM Thubanis: It is the cosmic RPG!
    [9/11/2012 4:46:54 PM] James:
    James and Paulina will NEVER be together again,due to her selfish attitude, she a taker a user and a Freaking Lier,
    looking for a bloody sugar daddy, ,
    [9/11/2012 4:47:25 PM] Thubanis: The cores have all fallen apart James.
    [9/11/2012 4:47:37 PM] Thubanis: Yours is not the only one.
    [9/11/2012 4:47:41 PM] James: its has been 3/5/12 the last time i have writen
    [9/11/2012 4:48:23 PM] Thubanis: But JT the point is NOT to restrict yourself to just one or a few parts in the cosmic RPG
    [9/11/2012 4:48:44 PM] Thubanis: You are both the 'king' and the 'pauper', the hero and the villain at the same time
    [9/11/2012 4:48:51 PM] Thubanis: Not many can play such roles
    [9/11/2012 4:48:52 PM] James: the only reason i am posting this is because what i read above about ROK/Xeia
    [9/11/2012 4:49:03 PM] Thubanis: Yes what I just said
    [9/11/2012 4:49:33 PM] Thubanis: There are NO cores in 3D now, BUT the templates are in higherD and there they exist NOW
    [9/11/2012 4:50:29 PM] Thubanis: Will we find our true cores in the foreseeable future?
    [9/11/2012 4:50:39 PM] James: this even i saw a crystal royal blue eye,in my meditation
    [9/11/2012 4:50:56 PM] James: gee im wonder what that was about
    [9/11/2012 4:51:02 PM] Thubanis: I dont know James; why I have resigned myself to 'work for the cosmos' and not individual 'fulfilments' now.
    [9/11/2012 4:51:35 PM] James: as you wish,so be it
    [9/11/2012 4:51:52 PM] Thubanis: Our true cores exist, as said; but when and how to recognise them I know as much as you do
    [9/11/2012 4:52:10 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what if the cosmic work was individual fulfilments :)
    [9/11/2012 4:52:30 PM] Thubanis: Good point and I think it is, as the starhuman future JT
    [9/11/2012 4:52:36 PM] James: well i just accepted the fact,that i will not be getting any hot pussy soon
    [9/11/2012 4:52:46 PM] Thubanis: Join the club James
    [9/11/2012 4:52:51 PM] James: my love life is doa
    [9/11/2012 4:53:13 PM] Thubanis: What love life lol?
    [9/11/2012 4:53:20 PM] James: good one lol
    [9/11/2012 4:53:54 PM] James: perhaps as we move into the higher realms we may get lucky,,,
    [9/11/2012 4:54:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well its getting close to the date of sept 27 and you mention that htings should start to of last two days i have noticed much motion and very positive connections in life
    [9/11/2012 4:54:14 PM] Thubanis: The higher realms are right where you are now James
    [9/11/2012 4:54:29 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 4:54:37 PM] Thubanis: What did I say about September 27th?
    [9/11/2012 4:55:04 PM] Thubanis: The 64 days are August 9th to September 9th to September 10th to October 11th
    [9/11/2012 4:55:10 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: um that it was a date when manifestations should start to occur
    [9/11/2012 4:55:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol
    [9/11/2012 4:55:33 PM] James: thinking of moving to either mount shasta or lakebay,wa state buy some land and XXXX some horny trees,lol
    [9/11/2012 4:55:39 PM] Thubanis: I dont think I made a point on this
    [9/11/2012 4:56:01 PM] Thubanis: Manifestation of the 5D spacetime matrix must wait for the birth
    [9/11/2012 4:56:16 PM] Thubanis: I like your energy James
    [9/11/2012 4:56:24 PM] Thubanis: Dragon zest
    [9/11/2012 4:56:30 PM] James: (bow)
    [9/11/2012 4:56:30 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:
    "The 'cosmic judgements' have been made and will begin to manifest from September 27th"
    [9/11/2012 4:56:51 PM] James: interesting
    [9/11/2012 4:57:02 PM] Thubanis: Hmm yes on the constitution link?
    [9/11/2012 4:57:12 PM] Thubanis: I need context to comment
    [9/11/2012 4:57:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it was from this skype chat...
    [9/11/2012 4:57:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: k i saved it cuz i thought it was interesting and was trying to understand it

    [9/11/2012 4:57:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:

    "This civilization can only self destruct from now on. Contact from the 'elders and ancient returnees' is the only way out"
    "The 'cosmic judgements' have been made and will begin to manifest from September 27th"
    "If this 'contact' does not happen in 2013, I can only see disaster"
    "We are in a Cocoon, a Cosmic egg
    Trying to break the shell from the inside
    The 'dead ones' are outside this shell and have NO WAY to break this shell from the outside Try to understand this. It is a two-way communique"
    The cosmic spacetime matrix requires an upgrade BEFORE the ET energy can physicalise
    It is here, but electromagnetic atm
    "Isaac is more powerful than Katrina METAPHYSICALLY
    Katrina was more powerful PHYSICALLY
    This is what people cant understand
    So physical destruction can be minimized NOT the mental armageddons
    2012 is ON, even if no external disasters occur
    You should FEEL a new 'atmosphere' though from December 22nd
    I do NOT rule out a magnetic poleshift but even then it might be an oscillation"

    The core of the earth will oscillate to open a wormhole gate to the 5th spacetime dimension
    If this results in a MAGNETIC poleshift remains to be seen
    There will be NO physical pole shift
    This would break the earth in pieces

    Atm, the core of the earth is locked up like an egg in a 4D spacetime cocoon
    This egg is the size of a golfball
    So work the physics from there
    There is a 3D physical iron-oxygen core so 2000 km across
    This core will not flip or change but receive a new energy source at its geometric and gravitational center
    This new energy source is the purpose of humanities existence

    [9/11/2012 4:58:00 PM] Thubanis: There are so any interwoven timelines, I will have to check. But if I said this, then yes I can comment
    [9/11/2012 4:58:46 PM] Thubanis: Let me look at the newearth chart
    [9/11/2012 4:59:32 PM] James: interesting
    [9/11/2012 5:01:28 PM] Thubanis: October 11th is a 'cutoff date' so September 27th is 14 days before
    [9/11/2012 5:01:39 PM] Thubanis: Could be a moon day
    [9/11/2012 5:01:46 PM] Thubanis: Should be
    [9/11/2012 5:02:02 PM] Thubanis: New Moon
    [9/11/2012 5:02:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what dose that mean ? cut off date>
    [9/11/2012 5:02:20 PM] Thubanis: Its the codes in the scrolls
    [9/11/2012 5:02:42 PM] Thubanis: There are many of them, because the individual codes can become distributed
    [9/11/2012 5:03:06 PM] Thubanis: Like 3 weeks or 21 days = 10+1+10 but also 7+7+7 say
    [9/11/2012 5:03:15 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 5:03:48 PM] Thubanis: Then the crucial time began April 1st as the end of a 7.3-8 year warptime, related to the Venus Transit 2004-2012 and where the codes became redefined but NOT physicalised
    [9/11/2012 5:04:23 PM] Thubanis: From April 1st this now CAN be physicalised in 'precise measurements' of counting days and nights
    [9/11/2012 5:04:53 PM] Thubanis: I recall now, that The August to October period is defined in the lunations as one such subcycle
    [9/11/2012 5:05:22 PM] James: Europe’s weather could be affected long-term -
    Ramtha: warming happening faster than we are told

    [9/11/2012 5:05:23 PM] Thubanis: Blue Moons were August 2nd and 31st as Full Moons with August 17th the New Moon
    [9/11/2012 5:06:35 PM] Thubanis: So the next New Moon in September is about September 14 and then the next Full Moon is September 27th UCT but I need to check this
    [9/11/2012 5:07:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ever feel like your out of your mind
    [9/11/2012 5:07:10 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol
    [9/11/2012 5:07:23 PM] James: perhaps
    [9/11/2012 5:07:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: haha the sensation of all this is alien
    [9/11/2012 5:08:34 PM] Thubanis: There could be an error: September 30th is the full moon 2012 and September 27th was full moon 2011
    [9/11/2012 5:08:59 PM] Thubanis: New Moon September 2012 is September 16th
    [9/11/2012 5:09:49 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well either way i can feel that its about to be full speed ahead for this shifting and reconfig
    [9/11/2012 5:10:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so not sure how to be prepared...i just trust that the universe will proved me what i need just when i need it...both things and understanding
    [9/11/2012 5:11:26 PM] James: this month will be a still mode,then the next 3 months will be,all bet are off,meaning its going to be a real fast rise up till dec 21-22rd
    [9/11/2012 5:12:10 PM] Thubanis: Good the published calendars are correct, like here:
    [9/11/2012 5:12:16 PM] Thubanis:
    [9/11/2012 5:13:15 PM] Thubanis: Well because this last week is divided in 3½+3½=7 taking the 3½ days from the New Moon is September 27th
    [9/11/2012 5:13:34 PM] Thubanis: But I doubt, I would have made such a statement on this
    [9/11/2012 5:14:24 PM] Thubanis: The birthday of the starhuman or dragon consciousness is December 21st JT and no other date
    [9/11/2012 5:14:48 PM] Thubanis: December 21-December 23rd as a 'spread' of the Mayan calibration
    [9/11/2012 5:14:59 PM] Thubanis: Xmas 2012 iow
    [9/11/2012 5:15:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ok
    [9/11/2012 5:15:30 PM] Thubanis: And then it will continue to May 1st 2014
    [9/11/2012 5:16:07 PM] Thubanis: In the codes of the scrolls, the bible and all native prophecies which have numberlines as parts of the encoding
    [9/11/2012 5:16:51 PM] Thubanis: The 2014 date is required to MIRROR the events from April 1st 2012 as the end of the warptime
    [9/11/2012 5:17:11 PM] Thubanis: So April 1st was VERY big cosmically
    [9/11/2012 5:17:41 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes it felt very powerful from the cosmos
    [9/11/2012 5:17:52 PM] Thubanis: As is December 21st. This does not mean that there will be starcruisers in the skies or earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes all letting loose
    [9/11/2012 5:18:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i recall all the info that was shared at that time it was very intense
    [9/11/2012 5:18:11 PM] Thubanis: It means that stargates have opened all over the universe
    [9/11/2012 5:18:31 PM] Thubanis: They are still shut atm
    [9/11/2012 5:19:09 PM] Thubanis: Only little windows open up for short periods in the true ufo encounters and the true crop circles etc etc
    [9/11/2012 5:19:50 PM] Thubanis: But when you have lucid dreams or OBEs or NDEs, then you are also accessing those stargates
    [9/11/2012 5:19:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh i see...interesting
    [9/11/2012 5:20:16 PM] Thubanis: Yes the 'extra space' see allows the 'weirdness' in the dreams
    [9/11/2012 5:20:47 PM] Thubanis: So you can change forms and locations seemingly at will or instantaneously
    [9/11/2012 5:20:52 PM] James: true
    [9/11/2012 5:21:09 PM] James: This message has been removed.
    [9/11/2012 5:21:32 PM] Thubanis: So now you might become aware that the 'New World' is like a dreamworld when you are awake and not asleep
    [9/11/2012 5:21:59 PM] Thubanis: This is the 'new energy matrix' in a nutshell
    [9/11/2012 5:22:12 PM] Thubanis: It is SUPERPOSED to 3D reality now
    [9/11/2012 5:22:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i try to be in a dream world all the time but constaly have people telling me to get a job
    [9/11/2012 5:22:46 PM] Thubanis: No 3D stuff will 'disappear',but all 3D will have new extension potentials
    [9/11/2012 5:23:19 PM] Thubanis: As said JT, noone can ESCAPE 3D
    [9/11/2012 5:23:29 PM] Thubanis: 3D is here to stay for eternity
    [9/11/2012 5:23:32 PM] James: meaning it will blend into the 4th 5th and 6th and higher correct
    [9/11/2012 5:23:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh well then i might as well cut my hair to
    [9/11/2012 5:23:38 PM] Thubanis: Yes
    [9/11/2012 5:23:45 PM] James: thought so
    [9/11/2012 5:23:55 PM] Thubanis: Integration is the mandala not escape
    [9/11/2012 5:24:14 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: I am very much looking forward to the immediate future!
    [9/11/2012 5:24:36 PM] Thubanis: Why Raven's study etc are all worthwhile, but the 'waiting for the messiahs from the sky' is humbug
    [9/11/2012 5:25:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes we are going to be building a ewaste business and get into gold and platunum refining
    [9/11/2012 5:25:35 PM] James: we are all messiahs
    [9/11/2012 5:26:10 PM] Thubanis: It will remain a collective effort of the planetary consciousness including all humans and animals plants and crystals BUT will nevertheless require a separation of the genus
    [9/11/2012 5:26:29 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: the writting on the bin says 999 some kind of magic that Willaim wanted to use
    [9/11/2012 5:26:37 PM] Thubanis: Bifurcation: Human versus Starhuman
    [9/11/2012 5:26:45 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: its going to be a showdown
    [9/11/2012 5:26:55 PM] Thubanis: High Noon in a way yes
    [9/11/2012 5:26:57 PM] James: big time,,,
    [9/11/2012 5:27:09 PM] Thubanis: Punctuated Evolutionary Equilibrium
    [9/11/2012 5:27:26 PM] Thubanis: PEE
    [9/11/2012 5:27:29 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i hope we can avoid wars and get green lights for et contact
    [9/11/2012 5:27:41 PM] James: oh we will
    [9/11/2012 5:27:49 PM] Thubanis: It might be very subtle and selective
    [9/11/2012 5:28:19 PM] Thubanis: The science is a resonance science
    [9/11/2012 5:28:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i think a few have heard the message
    [9/11/2012 5:28:35 PM] James: yes we have,,,
    [9/11/2012 5:28:41 PM] Thubanis: You can 'eat' the energy (frequencies lol) or not
    [9/11/2012 5:28:49 PM] James: really
    [9/11/2012 5:29:12 PM] Thubanis: Only in absorbing the energy can you get out of dissonance
    [9/11/2012 5:29:19 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 5:29:24 PM] Thubanis: It's physical law not Thuban law
    [9/11/2012 5:29:30 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 5:29:37 PM] Thubanis: I don't know myself, if I can resonate see?
    [9/11/2012 5:29:46 PM] James: correct
    [9/11/2012 5:29:58 PM] Thubanis: But the 'frequency' has been defined and transduced
    [9/11/2012 5:30:12 PM] Thubanis: If this is sufficient for resonance remains to be seen
    [9/11/2012 5:30:33 PM] Thubanis: The transduction is Orange Light
    [9/11/2012 5:30:40 PM] Thubanis: FYI
    [9/11/2012 5:30:50 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i saw an orange orb once
    [9/11/2012 5:30:59 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i have told you that b4
    [9/11/2012 5:31:19 PM] Thubanis: Well the transformation of the 'sourcesink frequency' is 500 Terahertz
    [9/11/2012 5:31:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i sometimes see blue ones
    [9/11/2012 5:31:34 PM] Thubanis: 6000 angstroms wavelength
    [9/11/2012 5:31:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: bluish white
    [9/11/2012 5:31:46 PM] Thubanis: Yes you did
    [9/11/2012 5:31:48 PM] James: interesting
    [9/11/2012 5:32:40 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i can hardly wait to travel in a star cruiser
    [9/11/2012 5:32:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it would be like the ultimate camper trailer
    [9/11/2012 5:32:58 PM] Thubanis: The magnification factor is 6000 Trillion
    [9/11/2012 5:33:18 PM] Thubanis: Multiply the Orange Light frequency by that to get the source frequency
    [9/11/2012 5:33:23 PM] James: 14 DAYS OF GLOBAL CATACLYSM AUGUST 2012

    [9/11/2012 5:33:32 PM] Thubanis: Which is the Wormhole resonance of the stargates
    [9/11/2012 5:34:26 PM] Thubanis: The New Agers call this the 'Love and Light' Vibration, without knowing what they are talking about
    [9/11/2012 5:34:40 PM] Thubanis: You can call it the 'Lovephoton'
    [9/11/2012 5:34:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and i will
    [9/11/2012 5:34:52 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: :)
    [9/11/2012 5:35:19 PM] Thubanis: You are doing good work in 'sharing' this data with the 'alternatives'
    [9/11/2012 5:35:37 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: load up the cannons with the love photons! [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [9/11/2012 5:35:44 PM] Thubanis: Lol
    [9/11/2012 5:35:59 PM] Thubanis: Actually you are right on the mark
    [9/11/2012 5:36:32 PM] Thubanis: You recall the stories of the ufos switching of the nuclear weapons electromagnetically?
    [9/11/2012 5:36:40 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes
    [9/11/2012 5:36:44 PM] Thubanis: Guess what frequency they use?
    [9/11/2012 5:36:49 PM] James: et took out all nukes
    [9/11/2012 5:37:03 PM] Thubanis: Yes and now you know a secret lol
    [9/11/2012 5:37:12 PM] Thubanis: The CIA might wish to know
    [9/11/2012 5:37:24 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: 500 Teraherz x 6000 Trillion?
    [9/11/2012 5:37:32 PM] Thubanis: But they cant use it anyway, as this frequency cant be mechanically generated
    [9/11/2012 5:37:39 PM] Thubanis: Yes
    [9/11/2012 5:38:54 PM] Thubanis: It can only be generated by the fabric of the multiD spacetime matrix AS the wormhole from which the entire universe was born
    [9/11/2012 5:39:08 PM] Thubanis: So this shows you another secret
    [9/11/2012 5:39:43 PM] Thubanis: Namely, that every dragon-starhuman hybrid will have to have a wormhole at the centre of hisher own bodyform or merkabah
    [9/11/2012 5:40:02 PM] Thubanis: This MUST be your own free energy generator
    [9/11/2012 5:40:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh wow
    [9/11/2012 5:40:41 PM] Thubanis: You will literally have a 'new battery' inside of you to communicate with any other such battery in the cosmos with IN RESONANCE
    [9/11/2012 5:41:36 PM] Thubanis: This then indicates the real hyperphysics to you and just HOW the ufos manouver mechanically as they do, say zigzag flight not possible with chemical fuel engines and so on
    [9/11/2012 5:42:20 PM] Thubanis: No NABS antigravity devices required, just wormhole 'tuning'
    [9/11/2012 5:42:57 PM] Thubanis: This is called as Tertiary Energy source
    [9/11/2012 5:43:13 PM] Thubanis: And this is prerequisite to be a starhuman
    [9/11/2012 5:43:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i did not know that
    [9/11/2012 5:43:54 PM] Thubanis: Like elctromagnetically you have a primary and secondary transformer coil to 'tap' the electricity grid
    [9/11/2012 5:44:21 PM] Thubanis: Its cosmophysical law, like gravity
    [9/11/2012 5:44:28 PM] Thubanis: It is not Thuban exclusive
    [9/11/2012 5:44:52 PM] Thubanis: But this is the key to the ZPE
    [9/11/2012 5:45:40 PM] Thubanis: You are to BUILD your own merkabah with a wormhole at the centre AS your New Bodyform
    [9/11/2012 5:45:49 PM] Thubanis: Noone can GIVE this to anyone
    [9/11/2012 5:46:08 PM] Thubanis: Everyone either CAN resonate with the present spacetime matrix or not
    [9/11/2012 5:46:36 PM] Thubanis: This is why I say so often, that very very few will be able to resonate and 'ascend' into the hybrid state
    [9/11/2012 5:46:47 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes i can see that
    [9/11/2012 5:47:02 PM] Thubanis: I don't know WHO will be able to resonate, but I can have my guesses
    [9/11/2012 5:47:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: very well said too tho...some deep understandins and some high overstandings too
    [9/11/2012 5:47:50 PM] Thubanis: What we call Logos here IS the Resonance JT. This is another secret revealed
    [9/11/2012 5:48:26 PM] Thubanis: Because the Logos IS the wavefunction encompassing all space and time AS the hyperphysical cosmic supermatrix
    [9/11/2012 5:48:31 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well im in it to win it so i sure am trying to hold a strong vision in my minds eye about everything that has been discused here
    [9/11/2012 5:48:53 PM] Thubanis: So the Logos deniers simply 'cannot resonate' and will remain stuck in the old matrix
    [9/11/2012 5:49:00 PM] Thubanis: Like the roots of a tree
    [9/11/2012 5:49:04 PM] Thubanis: Underground
    [9/11/2012 5:49:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: on the hamster wheel of doom
    [9/11/2012 5:49:33 PM] Thubanis: Yes, UNTIL they CAN learn to resonate
    [9/11/2012 5:49:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh wow
    [9/11/2012 5:49:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: they are turning into zionists
    [9/11/2012 5:50:14 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and its getting crazy
    [9/11/2012 5:50:33 PM] Thubanis: I don't know JT. There is no judgement, just observation what resonates and what does not
    [9/11/2012 5:50:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes thats true...i spend a lot of time observing the dizzy humans
    [9/11/2012 5:51:20 PM] Thubanis: Even here on the forums on facebook and the ordinary 3D life
    [9/11/2012 5:52:07 PM] Thubanis: I must go now JT; good to see you well without a hangover
    [9/11/2012 5:52:30 PM] Thubanis: Share any of the 'secrets' if you wish, lol
    [9/11/2012 5:52:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes i should log off for a bit too...oh well its time to get on top of the game so i must stay sharp
    [9/11/2012 5:52:55 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: nice to talk to you tony thanks for sharing
    [9/11/2012 5:53:16 PM] Thubanis: It is a New Book a New Movie and New Script a New World JT
    [9/11/2012 5:53:43 PM] Thubanis: First in symbol; then in the 'Feel of it' and finally in a reformation of 3D as 4D
    [9/11/2012 5:54:26 PM] Thubanis: This will take time to manifest, just like a baby grows into a child and an adult
    [9/11/2012 5:54:42 PM] Thubanis: Its a planetary human becoming a cosmic human JT
    [9/11/2012 5:55:03 PM] Thubanis: My take is 2004-2012 to 2014 to 2034
    [9/11/2012 5:55:30 PM] Thubanis: 21-22 years for adulthood from the end of the warptime
    [9/11/2012 5:55:58 PM] Thubanis: We should be around, if we qualify in Logos resonance
    [9/11/2012 5:56:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i suspect we got front row seats
    [9/11/2012 5:56:56 PM] Thubanis: Lets hope your suspicion is on the mark as an occuli tauri
    [9/11/2012 5:57:12 PM] Thubanis: 'Bulls eye' iow
    [9/11/2012 5:57:19 PM] Thubanis: Like darts
    [9/11/2012 5:57:27 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: laser guided love photons!
    [9/11/2012 5:57:33 PM] James: wow very interesting read
    [9/11/2012 5:57:49 PM] Thubanis: Logos guided interdimensional ballistic missiles
    [9/11/2012 5:58:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: if you wernt cracked up before you might be now
    [9/11/2012 5:58:24 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [9/11/2012 5:58:35 PM] James: [​IMG]
    [9/11/2012 5:58:46 PM] Thubanis: Ciao Dragon beaus and bees

    [12:23:10 PM-Thursday, September 13th, 2012 (+10UCT]

    THE13THBRIDGE: how many other times; do you think jesus came to earth
    [12:23:15 PM] Thubanis: Once
    [12:23:25 PM] Michael: nah he was elias
    [12:23:30 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: only once ?
    [12:23:31 PM] Thubanis: As a person
    [12:23:38 PM] Thubanis: The office is ubiquitous
    [12:23:45 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: no doubt; the catholic church stole his identity
    [12:23:53 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: made up a lot of lies
    [12:24:07 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: jesus wasn't god
    [12:24:09 PM] Michael: john the baptist was elijah
    [12:24:15 PM] Thubanis: Many many Logos witnesses, as it is an office: Kukulkan had this office too, but no 'person' ever embodied it like JC
    [12:24:25 PM] Thubanis: True Michael
    [12:24:38 PM] Michael: and issa was elias
    [12:24:46 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: sandalphon
    [12:24:51 PM] Thubanis: But reincarnation does not have to be as linear as the hindus make it out to be
    [12:25:18 PM] Michael: i dont think so either
    [12:25:20 PM] Thubanis: Whatever Issa you address; it is not the Logos Raven and I address
    [12:25:40 PM] Thubanis: And I am NOT going to argue philosophy today
    [12:25:58 PM] Michael: I dont think reincarnation has to be linear in time
    [12:26:02 PM] Michael: to clarify
    [12:26:09 PM] Thubanis: It is holofractal
    [12:26:40 PM] Thubanis: The easy way to discern this , Raven listen, is to consider simple fractals like a Mandelbrot set
    [12:26:55 PM] Thubanis: The true one and only Logos IS the fractal geometry
    [12:27:10 PM] Thubanis: Then this is reproduced on multitudinous levels and scales
    [12:27:32 PM] Thubanis: Ergo you cannot resonate with the true Logos, unless you have the same template geometry
    [12:27:45 PM] Thubanis: It is like jigsaw pieces not fitting
    [12:28:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i love the fractal zooms
    [12:29:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: you can see how the one starting image becomes many different forms through the fractals
    [12:29:22 PM] Thubanis: WHY the NABS of 'everyone has their own timeline' and world is a mental trap
    [12:30:05 PM] Thubanis: Yes they CAN have this; BUT only after they have 'eaten' the fractal basetemplate and this one is unique and NOT arbitrary. It is the Cosmic Logostwin as a SEEDLING Uni-verse or Monosong as the JCCJ Twin.
    For JT!
    [​IMG] Raven DragonHeart: 'Be Afraid, be very afraid!' [​IMG]
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    empty. Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    empty. Raven on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:54 am

    On The Lotus Sutra and the Inumerability of Buddhism

    [3:53:31 PM - Friday, September 21st, 2012 - (+10UCT)]
    Michael: Tony you ever check out the Lotus Sutra?
    [3:54:07 PM] Thubanis: Heard of it, so I would have seen it
    [3:54:19 PM] Michael: its a fairly long read
    [3:54:31 PM] Michael: but worth it
    [3:54:50 PM] Thubanis: I will look at it, as you suggested it
    [3:55:01 PM] Michael: fairly long as far as buddhist texts go
    [3:55:24 PM] Thubanis: The length does not matter to me, the essence does
    [3:56:55 PM] Michael: id be interested in your take on it as you like to decode numbers
    [3:58:13 PM] Thubanis: Ok I will address it once i looked at it
    [4:12:16 PM] Thubanis: Content

    [4:13:41 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< He reveals himself as the "father" of all beings and evinces the loving care of just such a father.

    This is what Thuban calls Abba and Jesus called 'his father'. This is universal imo. I dont know where the 'Mother' is here so. The Mother=Creation and Father=Creator in Thuban archetypology

    [4:15:09 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    This becomes the 'Office' of the 'divine messenger' in the gnosis and again here universally appropriate. One does not have to follow mantras and buddhistic rituals to realise this

    [4:16:21 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    This is good and much better than the nirvanistic void and illusion of the physical world. One has to read deeper to see, how far this sutra takes this 'acceptance' of the physicality though

    [4:17:41 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    This is numerology in the sense that the texts most likely try to show the 'eternity' of the sutra and the buddha in some numerical quantifiable context.

    [4:18:27 PM] Thubanis: This I would reject, the same way I reject the multiverse as a separable uni-verse without a finite asymptotic encompassment or envelope
    [4:19:11 PM] Thubanis: This is a fallacy even in the scientific theories about what a multiverse is in quantum entangled 'many worlds'
    [4:20:27 PM] Thubanis: Yes the 'Many Worlds' exist and perhaps, just as this sutra attempts to show; but this manyness is a seedling template or blueprint phaseshifted and not separated as individual entities. There is a mathematically definable finiteness in the asymptotic infinite iow
    [4:21:03 PM] Thubanis: This disallows infinite regression of anything physically defined, yet mathematically possible.
    [4:21:19 PM] Thubanis: This is the asymptotic onedirectional entropy or 'arrow of time'
    [4:22:39 PM] Thubanis: You can always add 1 to any other number; but you cannot subtract past 1-1=0 the other way in simplistic terms. More appropriately become the limit definitions of numerical elements, such as say the reciprocals of integers approaching the enum erable infinity (symbol) in a fraction greater than unity 1, but approaching a Finite limit of Zero or Null (0) in the inversions. The negative count can be mathematically modelled but has no physical reality. This is where the trillions of years as the age of the universe is just nonsense to say, the Thuban cosmology
    [4:23:52 PM] Thubanis: The buddhist then says the universe has always existed or similar arguments and this is not the case for the physical universe. Albeit the metaphysical universe derived in NOW time, termed say instantenuity from the Void being All as a 'singularity' finitised
    [4:25:14 PM] Thubanis: This then allows you to define the eternal as being BOUNDED by the finite in a mathematical concept, yet allowing the entire entity to Grow and to expand within the parameters of the laws of physics and nature

    [4:25:39 PM] Michael:

    [4:26:13 PM] Thubanis: The universe is so 20 billion years old and even if you subdivide a scientific 'year' into much shorter 'buddha or brahman years', the number will always be finite, because there is such a thing as the quantization of 'time' as a minimum spacetime configuration
    [4:26:51 PM] Thubanis: Yes I saw this threefoldedness. Not much different to the trinity stuff of the Christians
    [4:27:25 PM] Thubanis: In a sense, this relates to generations and the Pythagorean tetractys
    [4:27:55 PM] Thubanis: You need a minimum of 3 noncolinear 'points' to define a triangle as a minimum area
    [4:28:04 PM] Thubanis: 1+2+3+4=10
    [4:28:25 PM] Thubanis: 4 such 'points' then define a minimum volume as a tetrahedron
    [4:28:51 PM] Thubanis: 2 points define a line segment a displacement and so a spacial metric or matrix
    [4:29:32 PM] Thubanis: The 1 point is the 'singularity, which in buddhism becomes the buddha itself as the 'immortalised' expression of the infinite
    [4:29:43 PM] Thubanis: The thinking behind all this is all ok
    [4:31:42 PM] Thubanis: As many know and like; the oriental philosophy accents the nonseparation, whilst the occidental emphasises the separation into parts. Both are required to understand the finite whole being born from the infinite whole and yet encompasses the eternal within itself
    [4:32:35 PM] Thubanis: Fractal mathematics, like chaos theory, complexity and Mandelbrot-Julia sets depict this
    [4:34:39 PM] Thubanis: In your link here it reads 'On Inumerable Meanings'
    [4:35:11 PM] Thubanis: This relates to the so called 'Enumerability' of mathematical sets, like those of Cantor.
    [4:35:45 PM] Thubanis: This then leads into certain paradoxes and 'controversies', even amongst the 'expert mathematicians'
    [4:36:13 PM] Thubanis: And in cosmology as to if there are other 'universes' and stuff
    [4:37:39 PM] Thubanis: Thuban has shown, that a specific finite mathematical bound, namely the Euler Identity can be used to define a Cantor 'Aleph All' Cardinality, which allows you to 'count' infinities like integers. This then in a way encompasses the Cantor alephs and so this 'inumerability' of the buddhist, leading to those 'eternity' concepts

    [4:38:46 PM] Thubanis: The Euler Identity is defined in the Fibonacci roots and hence the symmetry found in nature as the maximum compressibility of information in say the Spiral of Archimedes
    [4:39:26 PM] Thubanis: The Fibonacci series then is found to be the original dynamo for creating a physical universe from its metaphysical precursor
    [4:41:17 PM] Thubanis: And this derives from algorithmic codes, not requiring space and time and so can be said to be the 'Eternal Now Moment' of the Buddhist
    [4:42:16 PM] Thubanis: There is a essay on the forums called: Lucifer's Mirror, which shows this from first principles, from the eternal void emerges the concretized cosmology

    [4:43:16 PM] Thubanis:

    [4:44:00 PM] Thubanis:

    [4:44:18 PM] Thubanis:

    [4:44:33 PM] Thubanis: 3 references, where this post can be found
    [4:45:05 PM] Thubanis: I gotta go, nice seeing you Michael
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    Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    Raven on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:00 pm
    The Cosmic Office of the Divine Messenger

    [11:05:55 AM - Saturday, September 22nd, 2012/Equinox - ( 10UCT)]

    THE13THBRIDGE: what do you think tony of thoths emerald tablets
    [11:06:00 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i know he didn't write them alone
    [11:06:21 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: but a group of 12 people; along with 12 guides (12 x 12 = 144) people / or spirits wrote them
    [11:06:31 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: and, i don't think they deciphered them correctly
    [11:23:02 AM] Thubanis: There is an archetype 'Thoth' aka many other labels and there are the ones, who call themeselves 'thoth' after this 'cosmic office' Susan
    [11:24:06 AM] Thubanis: Thoth the archetype never incarnated as a persona or you can say, anyone intending and able to 'function' from this 'office' is a form of incarnated 'thoth'
    [11:24:44 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: once, i was told, i was a twin of thoth
    [11:24:57 AM] Thubanis: Thoth is in a way the same 'office' as the 'cosmic christ' Hermes Trismegistos and Mercury
    [11:24:58 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: kulcul of kan clan , and, culcul of can clan
    [11:25:12 AM] Thubanis: Yes Quetzacoatl is the 'same' office
    [11:25:21 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i was aware of his tri connection
    [11:25:26 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: never figured out my own
    [11:25:29 AM] Thubanis: The 'divine messenger' as such
    [11:25:49 AM] Thubanis: Anyone CAN participate in this office
    [11:25:54 AM] Thubanis: It is not exclusive
    [11:26:11 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: yes, i was totally aware, it is all encompassing
    [11:26:24 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that everyone holds the raft of potentials to achieve it
    [11:26:39 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i oft times; have wondered if the
    [11:26:48 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: kulcul of kan clan is the son, of the kulkulkan
    [11:26:56 AM] Thubanis: Of course the Egyptian 'priesthood' and royalty then often produced, fabricated and distorted much of this 'thoth' or ptrah or Set or Osirian 'offices'
    [11:27:07 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i know i taught in the 13th temple
    [11:27:13 AM] Thubanis: This is where the 'evilness' of thoth, ptah etc stems from
    [11:27:15 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: the one temple where both men and women came to
    [11:27:25 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that had gone thru the 12 male / or 12 female temples
    [11:27:46 AM] Thubanis: It was the misappropriation of the human priests and agents, who manipulated the office, not the office itself
    [11:27:47 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i used to visit this pyramid in the sand; my pyramid
    [11:27:57 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: yes, i was aware of that
    [11:28:14 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i know i had a fall in around 1200bce in cusco, peru
    [11:28:20 AM] Thubanis: The same thing happened with the Xtian Jesus, who is an abomination in say the teleevangelic proselytisings
    [11:28:43 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: there was one of the group of 12 - that didn't go bad
    [11:29:06 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: however; 11 of us, had to attone in the dark underworlds; and; work also as guides to others; to get back to reincarnating again
    [11:29:33 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that was partly also how i remember; love is the end result; and; it is weaving the virtues that is important
    [11:31:45 AM] Thubanis: The 'Thoth' office is nicely illustrated in the Sapphire Tablet
    [11:32:15 AM] Thubanis: It applies to all incarnates, but is of course like a 'higher self' or such for everyone
    [11:32:28 AM] Thubanis: Not many wish to or act on this 'tablet'
    [11:33:10 AM] Thubanis: Thoth and Ptah are on the same generational level as Ra
    [11:33:19 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: the 10th
    [11:33:19 AM] Thubanis: They are NOT Osirian
    [11:33:26 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that is where my twin is; 10 upwards
    [11:33:45 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that is where i passed the last pcs; of thoth up to
    [11:33:52 AM] Thubanis: Why the freemasons use Ptah so much in their symbology
    [11:34:02 AM] Thubanis: As a 'creator god' of Memphis
    [11:34:44 AM] Thubanis: But even the 'hieroglyphics' experts confuse the issue of the Egyptian pantheons
    [11:35:01 AM] Thubanis: And I said Ra not Rah see?
    [11:35:30 AM] Thubanis: Ra is part of the ennead, Rah is the originator of all, like Thuban's Abba as a 'Little Serpent'
    [11:35:50 AM] Thubanis: Then you have 2 Horuses
    [11:36:37 AM] Thubanis: The older and the younger, the younger being part of the ennead aka Osirian and the older being 'of the Horizon', the Hamarkhis/Sphinx and so on a par with Thoth and Ptah
    [11:37:30 AM] Thubanis: It became so confused in Akhenaten's attempt to bring Aton in as the Oe god with Nefertiti
    [11:37:38 AM] Thubanis: 1500BC
    [11:38:19 AM] Thubanis: If you understand the RaHaR symbol as that of RaH Apep, then it all convolutes
    [11:38:44 AM] Thubanis: Apep became Set the Egyptian devil and Rah became the sungod Ra, represented by Osiris and Orion
    [11:39:37 AM] Thubanis: Ergo some NABSers think evil reptoids come from Orion
    [11:39:57 AM] Thubanis: They are 'perceiving' Apep as the Draconians
    [11:40:17 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: WHICH ISN'T correct
    [11:40:17 AM] Thubanis: Apep is the Egyptian Serpent
    [11:40:38 AM] Thubanis: They can be excused for 'feeling' the symbols in that way
    [11:41:24 AM] Thubanis: When people read the stories about Osiris, Set and Isis and Nephthys, then they are considering later developments and evolvements
    [11:42:22 AM] Thubanis: The original story is the cosmogenesis and this one can only be 'found' by the interD communications and only when the 'cosmic chronos' allows this as appropriate
    [11:42:30 AM] Thubanis: This time of allowance is now and also since 1953, when certain pyramid codes at Khufu tell you of the 'end of the world'
    [11:45:23 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: what should i really be working on ?
    [11:46:16 AM] Thubanis: Your PR between the old world and the new world; you are a Cosmic Bridge, as you know
    [11:46:57 AM] Thubanis: There are precious few peace makers in this chronos
    [11:47:44 AM] Thubanis: You find yourself in a cosmic exile, just as many here
    [11:48:58 AM] Thubanis: If you try to 'share and help' you will be rejected by the many and only a few will appreciate you
    [11:49:09 AM] Thubanis: This is a sign of the times of cosmic war
    [11:50:07 AM] Thubanis: It are not the people who reject you, but the thoughtforms or memes, who form integrated parts of their psyches
    [11:50:34 AM] Thubanis: This cosmic war so is over 'psychic energy' say
    [11:51:26 AM] Thubanis: Pretty much similar to the 'battle over souls' in the medieval form of ''Good God' versus a 'Bad Evil Devil'
    [11:52:20 AM] Thubanis: It is just a form of expression
    [11:52:32 AM] Thubanis: Of something very real indeed
    [11:53:47 AM] Thubanis: As this dualism must end or better said, must be transformed from a separated duality into an integrated dualism, and as this has never occurred before in the history of the physicalised universe; we live and witness precarious and extraordinary times indeed
    [11:54:56 AM] Thubanis: I will share this on the forums and add the Emerald/Sapphire Tablets to it, Susan

    [12:10:39 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: M153 -


    [12:39:44 PM] Thubanis: I know you put much faith into this Susan; but whilst the story of the 'sacred vine' is true, it has been Nabs hijacked by many
    [12:40:20 PM] Thubanis: The 'water into wine' 'miracle' simply describes the change of one 'old world' bloodline into a 'new world' bloodline.
    [12:40:59 PM] Thubanis: This is certainly not restricted to rh-negative bloodtype peoples, which are genetic mutations in a greater genepool; but it relates to ALL 'lost and scattered sheep' as the 'lost tribes of Israel' aka the starsigns - all starsigns and as everyone in incarnation has a birthday, the 'sacred bloodline' is all humanity

    Human Bloodtype frequency distribution:

    ORh positiveO+38%38%38%
    ORh negativeO-7%45%45%
    ARh positiveA+34%34%79%
    ARh negativeA-6%40%85%
    BRh positiveB+9%9%94%
    BRh negativeB-2%11%96%
    ABRh positiveAB+3%3%99%
    ABRh negativeAB-1%4%100%
    [12:42:48 PM] Thubanis: The 'new grail' of the sacred sangreal ergo the bloodline of 'Jesus and Mary Magdalene' relates to the 'Water Bearer' and so the 'Age of Aquarius' changing this old world into a new world and his own changing of the 'Age of Aries' into the 'Age of Pisces'

    [12:44:42 PM] Thubanis: The 'marriage of Canaan' so was not the wedding between Jesus and MM in 3D physicality. It would have been any old wedding; but the higherD dragonomy of the Twinlogos, later described as the 'sacred alchemy' in Revelation's 'New Jerusalem'. Those parables so all are true in a particular logistical sense and also therefore to many forms of misinterpretations.

    Here is a pertinent code from the Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin) and further references are encoded in Ezekiel.17 and the 'Song of Solomon'.

    (28) Jesus said, "I took my place in the midst of the world, and I appeared to them in flesh. I found all of them intoxicated; I found none of them thirsty. And my soul became afflicted for the sons of men, because they are blind in their hearts and do not have sight; for empty they came into the world, and empty too they seek to leave the world. But for the moment they are intoxicated. When they shake off their wine, then they will repent."

    (40) Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."

    (47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result."

    (65) He said, "There was a good man who owned a vineyard. He leased it to tenant farmers so that they might work it and he might collect the produce from them. He sent his servant so that the tenants might give him the produce of the vineyard. They seized his servant and beat him, all but killing him. The servant went back and told his master. The master said, 'Perhaps he did not recognize them.' He sent another servant. The tenants beat this one as well. Then the owner sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they will show respect to my son.' Because the tenants knew that it was he who was the heir to the vineyard, they seized him and killed him. Let him who has ears hear."

    [12:46:06 PM] Thubanis: One must relate this wedding and the vineyard and the 'good wine' and the 'bad wine' etc also to the older encodings in the OT/Torah, particularly Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Hosea, to relate the New Testament stories to the actual coamic agenda.
    [12:46:47 PM] Thubanis: Jesus understood this story basically from Genesis and his favourite 'manual, - the dragon prophecy of Isaiah.

    shiloh wrote:

    The 888-CASSIDY-BAPHOMET-THULEN Memeplex of 80=MINDMIND=40+40 and the Emerald Tablet of Moses


    To harmonise particular archetypes in their vibrational energy, specific alphanumeric patterns and associations can be used to achieve this purpose and effect.

    One particularly powerful archetype is that of Baphomet as the Cosmic Hermaphrodite; possessing both male and female characteristics in the one entity.

    This symbol then becomes subject to ritual and divers forms of abuse of the sexual energy of the twinned Logos serpent of the deliverance and the redemption and includes the misunderstood and misinterpreted applications of so called 'sacred sexuality' in forms of 'tantra' and 'sexual alchemy' and 'secret societies' including esotericas like 'Rosyness', 'Bones', 'Path', 'Temples' and 'Thule'.

    capstone. baphometeye. eye. capstonedown.

    One then tentatively in a preparatory way, characterises the Old World as one side of a tripartite vibration pattern or matrix and a New Old World as the other side of this.

    The middle pattern, ren or name will so become universal and neutral in impartiality of the energy pattern developed and evolved from whatever 'misuse' in relative ignorance (aka sinfulness) might have been historically manifested in the utility of the archetype as a memeplex.

    The physical implementation of this harmonisation requires the 'sacrifice' of the duality inherent in the previously lived and applied ignoramus however.

    And so the association of a disincarnate CASSIDY with the LEFT or 'Sinister' or 'EVIL' side of the dualism and the association of an incarnate THULEN with the RIGHT or 'Good' side of the dualism allows the BAPHOMET memeplex to assume its new definition.

    The CASSIDY=DIYSACS represents a Female Maiden Name of the NEE of the Matriarchy and the THULEN=HULENT represents a Male Name of the Patriarchy in the cosmic order of things. Both DIYSACS and HULENT depict the Old World of the Duality between the 'Good and the Evil' and the Sexual Separation between 'Sexual Man' and 'Sexual Woman'.

    Allowing the Alchemy of the blending of the Old Worlds in the disincarnate DIYSACS and the incarnate HULENT to proceed; will however free the original divine androgyny of the BAPHOMET in nonduality.

    For a real New World of nondualism to be born from the disharmonies of the dualistic self states then, it so becomes pertinent, that the HULENT incarnation 'marries' the DIYSACS disincarnation in some saga and evolvement of the Old World of the duality.

    The reality of the disincarnate CASSIDY=80 vibration so becomes harmonised and balanced in the incarnate unreality of the THULEN=80 energy pattern in the self relative worldviews of the associations; that is the unreality of the DIYSACS becomes mirrored in the reality of the HULENT and vice versa in the Mirror of the twinned factuality of the now divine and sacred BAPHOMET archetype thus manifested as the Cosmic Twinflame of the Doubled Kundalini Serpent of the White 'First Coming' from Above and the Black 'Second Coming' from Below.

    khajuraho7. 220px-baphomet. eroticindiasex.
    Erotic sculptures from Indian tantra temples

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    "So only the birth of omniscience towards the beginning of the third millennium has allowed us to finally draw all the ancient threads together and to weave the carpet of the New Science.
    We have built upon the traditions of the historical sciences and yet we could accomodate hitherto elusive concepts, such as consciousness and the meaning of emotions, love and the mind.

    An ancient inscription is legendarily ascribed to the Egyptian Ibisgod Thoth (also sometimes identified with some archcherubimic character called Metatron) and is supposedly his hieroglyphic legacy left as a testimonial in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu. It is also known as the 'Sapphire tablet of Moses'.
    It was translated ages ago by German archaeologists and exists as a prototype in the 'Amphitheatrum Sapientae Aeternae of Heinrich Khunrath', the 'Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom' and is dated to 1609."

    Verba secretorum hermetis!

    [1] Verum sine menda cio certum & verissimum, quod est inferi est sicut quod est superius & quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius; ad peristranda miracula rei uni.
    [2] Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno, meditatione unius, sic omnes res nuta fuerunt ab hac
    una adaptatione.
    [3] Pater ei, est sol, mater eius luna, portavit illud ventus in ventre.
    [4] Suo nutrix eius terra est.
    [5] Pater omnis talismi toti mundi.
    [6] Est hic vis ei.
    [7] Integra est sive fuerit in terram separabis terram ab igne, subtile & spisso, suaviter cum magno ingenio.
    [8] Ascendit terra in coelum, iterumque descendit in terram & recipit vim superiorum & inferiorum.
    [9] Sic habebis gloriam toti mundi.
    [10] Ideo fugi atite omnis obscuritas.
    [11] Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis.
    [12] Quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnem que solidam penetrabit.
    [13] Sic mundus creatus est.
    [14) Hinc erunt adaptationes mirabilis quarum modus hic est.
    [15] Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophie totis mundi.
    [16] Completum est quod dixi de operatione solis.

    Mercurius Trismegistus in Pimandro.

    Das Wort des geheimnisvollen Boten

    [1] Wahrhaftig, keiner Lügen bewusst und auf das aller wahrhaftigste; das Unten ist dem Oben gleich und das Obere is dasselbe als da Untere; damit kann man das wunderbare eines einzigen Dinges erlangen und verrichten.
    [2] Und wie alle Dinge durch die Wahl eines einzigen Wesens erschaffen sind, werden alle Dinge durch das Denken eines Einzigen mit dem Einen durch Schickung und Gebot wieder zusammengefügt.
    [3] Die Sonne ist sein Vater und der Mond ist seine Mutter, der Wind hat ihn in seinem Bauch getragen.
    [4] Seine Ernährerin oder Amme ist die Erde.
    [5] Dieser ist der Vater aller Vollkommenheit dieser ganzen Welt.
    [6] Seine Macht ist vollkommen.
    [7] Wenn Es in der Erde verwandelt wird, dann wird das Erdreich vom Feuer scheiden und das Feine vom Groben; ganz lieblich mit grosser Bescheidenheit und Verstand.
    [8] Er steigt von der Erde in den Himmel und vom Himmel wieder zur Erde zurück und gewinnt so die Kraft des Oberen und des Unteren.
    [9] Auf diese Weise wird all die Herrlichkeit der ganzen Welt erhalten.
    [10] Deshalb versetze von Dir allen Unverstand und Unvermögenheit.
    [11] Das ist von aller Stärke die stärkste Stärke.
    [12] Dann kann das übriggebliebene Subtile gewonnen und das alte, harte Gewand durchdrungen werden.
    [13] Also ist die Welt geschaffen.
    [14] Daher geschehen seltsame Vereinigungen und deshalb werden mancherlei Wunder gewirkt.
    [15] Und sei darum gesund, Hermes Trismegistus, Besitzer der dreiteiligen Weisheit von der ganzen Welt.
    [16] Er wird alles erfüllen, was ich gesagt habe, vom Werke der Sonnen.

    Merkur, der dreifach Grosse, in Pimandro.

    The Emerald Tablet of the Secret Messenger

    [1] Truly, without fault and in all certainty and truthfulness; what is below is like what is above and the above is the same as the below, for the purpose to experience and bring about the wonders of the one thing.
    [2] And as all things are created through the choosing of one being; so the thinking of one with the one, brings all things by command and fate together again.
    [3] His father is the sun and his mother is the moon; the wind has carried him in his womb.
    [4] He is joined together and nursed by the earth.
    [5] This is the father of all completeness of the entire world.
    [6] His power is all inclusive.
    [7] At the time of its renewal, the soil shall separate from the fire and the subtle from the rough,
    acting sweetly and with great ingenuity.
    [8] He ascends sagaciously from the earth into heaven and then descends again into the earth, thus regaining the unifying force of the above and the below.
    [9] In this way is all the glory of all the worlds obtained.
    [10] Therefore avoid all ignorance.
    [11] Herein is found in all strenght the strongest strength.
    [12] By this can the remaining subtle whole be won and the old solid whole be penetrated.
    [13] Thus is the creation of the world.
    [14] Henceforth the eventuation of strange adaptations by extraordinary methods.
    [15] Accordingly be well, Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom of the unified worlds.
    [16] He will accomplish that of which I have spoken through the operations of the suns.

    Mercury, the thrice-great, in Pimandro.

    So who is this Hermes Trismegistos?
    It is the archetype for the 'Teacher of Righteousness'.
    Right throughout the ages of humankind, there have been sages, soothsayers, prophets and mystics of all kinds; some sincere and others praying on the superstitions and the gullibilities of the general members of the population.

    One remembers the Naassenes; an early Christian Gnostic sect and closely associated with Jesus-Yeshuah of the Uraeus as the Left Lunar Eye of Thoth and Horus of the Hamarkhis in association with the Right Solar Eye of Ra as Hathor's Mirror of Anubis in 18, 6 and 9.


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    empty. Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    empty. magamud Today at 8:24 pm

    Jesus could not put the resurrection/new wine unto the old wineskin lest it would burst. This was to inform us of these times. A parable in time travel...
    Myth is the truest way to communicate through time.

    "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.

    Matthew 9:16

    Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.


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    [​IMG] Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    [​IMG] Raven Today at 8:34 pm

    For the Human Gardenkeepers!

    The Parable of Hans Schatten

    There once lived a gardener in a place not known in part but in all. The gardener so could not plant anything somewhere in particular, but could only plant where he himself was as being nowhere and everywhere.

    The gardener wished to plant an apple-seed he had found to be part of himself in the place he was and so the gardener thought of himself as not being nowhere anymore, but to be right in the place of the apple seed.

    So the apple seed became real and occupied a real space, but caused the gardener to disappear from that real space into an unreal space. The gardener so became the unreal image in unreal space of the real image of the apple seed in the real space.

    And so the apple seed was born as real space to occupy, but being surrounded by an unreal space and there where the gardener still followed his dream to see the apple seed grow and blossom into a full apple tree after he had planted it.

    For the dream of the gardener was to grow the apple seed into a full apple tree and after reaching maturity, the apple tree would blossom and yield its fruit of apples which carried their own apple seeds within.

    Because this was the plan of the gardener as the unreal image of the real image. Should the single apple seed become two apple seeds, then any two apple seeds could image each other and the real images in the real space, would enable the gardener to use the real image of one of the apple seeds to mirror himself in the realness of one of the apple seeds in the gardener's unreality becoming real in the reality.

    Then the single seed of the gardener could multiply and the single apple tree could become a forest of apple trees and so on ad infinitum.

    But there would always have to be the first single apple seed which the gardener had become in real space as the image of himself in the unreal space. There could not have been two seeds of the one gardener, because two seeds would have meant that the gardener divided itself into two and that was not the plan of the planter.

    This initial apple seed would always remain to be the Seed of all Seeds around which the other seeds and apple trees and apple forests could grow, multiply and reproduce.

    Then the gardener would find himself in the real space too and leave his exile in the unreal space. The gardener would become reborn as the image of the image and all other apple seeds would similarly become gardeners themselves, as this was the nature of all things and the beginning of it all.

    Hans Schatten; for my apple seeded daughter in the unreal space to become real.

    Hans Schatten is the German translation for John Shadow

    I Am One in Many and I Am Many in One!


    Ezekiel 17:

    1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

    2Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;

    3And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:

    4He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.

    5He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.

    6And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.

    7There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.

    8It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine.

    9Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.

    10Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew.

    11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

    12Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;

    13And hath taken of the king's seed, and made a covenant with him, and hath taken an oath of him: he hath also taken the mighty of the land:

    14That the kingdom might be base, that it might not lift itself up, but that by keeping of his covenant it might stand.

    15But he rebelled against him in sending his ambassadors into Egypt, that they might give him horses and much people. Shall he prosper? shall he escape that doeth such things? or shall he break the covenant, and be delivered?

    16As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely in the place where the king dwelleth that made him king, whose oath he despised, and whose covenant he brake, even with him in the midst of Babylon he shall die.

    17Neither shall Pharaoh with his mighty army and great company make for him in the war, by casting up mounts, and building forts, to cut off many persons:

    18Seeing he despised the oath by breaking the covenant, when, lo, he had given his hand, and hath done all these things, he shall not escape.

    19Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely mine oath that he hath despised, and my covenant that he hath broken, even it will I recompense upon his own head.

    20And I will spread my net upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare, and I will bring him to Babylon, and will plead with him there for his trespass that he hath trespassed against me.

    21And all his fugitives with all his bands shall fall by the sword, and they that remain shall be scattered toward all winds: and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken it.

    22Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:

    23In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.

    24And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

    Just who or what the 'fowls of heaven' and the 'doves' and the 'vessels of mercy' are; I shall leave for the minds of the imaginations of the participators to discern.

    Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    [1]Job 35:11

    Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven?

    [2]Psalm 79:2

    The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.

    [3]Psalm 104:12

    By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

    [4]Jeremiah 7:33

    And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.

    [5]Jeremiah 15:3

    And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.

    [6]Jeremiah 16:4

    They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.

    [7]Jeremiah 19:7

    And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.

    [8]Jeremiah 34:20

    I will even give them into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life: and their dead bodies shall be for meat unto the fowls of the heaven, and to the beasts of the earth.

    [9]Ezekiel 29:5

    And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven.

    [10]Ezekiel 31:6

    All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

    [11]Ezekiel 31:13

    Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches:

    [12]Ezekiel 32:4

    Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.

    [13]Ezekiel 38:20

    So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

    [14]Daniel 2:38

    And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

    [15]Daniel 4:12

    The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

    [16]Daniel 4:21

    Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:

    [17]Hosea 2:18

    And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

    [18]Hosea 4:3

    Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

    [19]Hosea 7:12

    When they shall go, I will spread my net upon them; I will bring them down as the fowls of the heaven; I will chastise them, as their congregation hath heard.


    I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.

    [21]Matthew 6:26

    Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

    [22]Revelation 19:17

    And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;


    The future might be similar, but different from the above exhibition. A mentality destruction, rather than a physical one.

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    Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    Raven on Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:05 am

    Magamud wrote September 22nd, 2012:

    I cannot think there be anymore prophecy information to alarm the people.

    Can you?

    No, because whatever 'blabberings' and 'channelings' are surfacing, all are encompassed by the reconfiguration of the Logos timeline.

    The NABS adherents live under the impressions, that they are all cocreators with their own individual timelines. This is only partially so.
    Because the 'Eucharist' of the 'Christbody' IS in fact the physical universe as the 'resurrection', all incarnated lifeforms are within the 'Body of the Lion of Judea' by default and noone can get out, unless they decide to 'Eat this Lion', iow they have to not only 'accept' the World Logos, but they also must swallow it as itself - becoming JCCJ holographically. This is the key message in the GOT, with which you seem to be rather familiar with.

    The old used by date caveat, that only the 'father knows the times' is old hat, because Jesus being 'as one with the father' can very easily ask or receive the 'father's knowing of the times'. Then Jesus with MM will 'forward' those 'times of the prophecies fulfilled' to his friends and family. And also the passages where he says, that he must go away, so the comforter can come in John. This is what this means in scriptural terms and this is also encoded as the dualism of Christ in Isaiah and typefied in the renaming of Jacob to Israel and AbramSarai to AbrahamSarah and other such codes.

    It is as simple as that; but you cant talk about this with the dogmatists, the skeptics and naysayers very much.


    Magamud wrote: Tony,
    Would we not go back to Genesis and repeat the cycle? A thousand years to procreate?

    You have the knowledge of the last, so you would be the first..

    Your thinking is excellent Eric and yes indeed the starhuman will in a way become the first members and ambassadors of a new and original cosmic species or genetic prototype.
    However the genesis derives from something, you might term cosmogenesis and the cyclicity of this is being changed from its deepest roots.
    So what is actually happening is a 'remake' of the original 'cosmic script' from WITHIN Timespace.
    This was not possible in the beginning of creation; as this occurred from the Void being Eternity or a concept of the 'creation de ex nihilo'.
    Space and time were 'born' from this and the consciousness evolution of this became the 'entire creation waiting in agony for its deliverence', as per the letters of Paul.
    So what we are doing here, we are 'helping and supporting' the 'Outside Logos', the essence of Jesus as the Word as 'God's Intelligence' and so outside of space and time, then disincarnate cosmic intelligence behind the encodings of the 'scribes and prophets' and then finally incarnating in the 'flesh'; we are creating a feedback loop from the inside of space and time as an Inside Logos to the Outside Logos and it is this, which is encoded as the 'End of Times'.

    So the 'cosmic movie' was shown, as say the recent human history of the Cro Magnon homo sapiens cycle of so 26,000 years and this is now being edited as the legislature of the playwright. This playwright being the World Logos of course; who because of having been within space and time can now manifest in hisher predestined manyness as a new starhuman race and inheritors of the cosmic legacies encoded in the older Genesis and related stories and scripts.


    PS.: I just saw your reply and so apologize for not responding earlier. I am taking the liberty of sharing our conversations, if they address topics of general relevance. So please let me know, if you object to that.
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    empty. Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    empty. magamud on Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:50 am

    Thanks for the Ezekiel passages and the response.
    Amazing how the bile is the past, future and present. Fate and choice all wrapped into one...


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    empty. Raven on Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:24 am


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    empty. Didymos Today at 5:35 pm
    You GOT it, magamud and the pun is intended.

    The secret of the bible is simple. It is just one of many encoded lexicons of collected writings with both exoteric and esoteric meanings.
    A very limited translation of the exoteric or outer results in literalism, fundamentalistic dogmatism and often bigotry, religious zealotism and the many biases of the human mindedness.

    Similarly, but not to such a large extent, due to the 'initiating' gnosis, insight or sophic wisdom required; the esoteric or inner interpretations can, have and do result in say a form of 'abusive semantic pollution' of the source material and codes by 'secret societies', cults and 'alternative' or unorthodox lifestyles and philosophies or worldviews with respect to the orthodoxy or the 'status quo' or 'mainstream'.

    What renders the bible codes unique in comparison to the source codes or 'Holy writs' of other 'global religions', is its numerical encoding of the 'Logos timeline'.

    Why is Noah 600 years old, when he enters the ark? Why is the timespan between the end of the 40 days of the rains and the following 110 days to the cessation of the rains 150 days to the 'rest' of Noah's ark on the peak of Mount Ararat exactly 74 days?

    Why is the 'temptation of Jesus' in the wilderness 40 days and not 39 or 41 and in a day-for-a-year code with the symbolic sojourn of Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness of Sinai?

    Why then is Jesus just those 40 days from Easter Sunday 31AD to Ascension Thursday 31AD and then followed by 10 days of 'absentia' until Whit Sunday, Shabuoth or Pentecost and matching the 10 days of 'imprisonment by the Devil' in Revelation.2 in the letter to the 'spirit of the church of Smyrna as one of the seven spirits of God' in Revelation.4?

    Why is the daycount between the construction of the 'Abomination of Desolation' and the 'Cleansing of the Sanctuary' exactly 2300 days and relates to the mysterious saying of Jesus in Matthew.24, where he says that only the ones that read might understand the mystery of this 'abomination'?

    Why is the times and a time and half a time repeatedly used, emphasized and particularised in Daniel's prophecy of the 'beast' and then apparently repeated in the Book of John's Revelation?

    Why is there a 'blessing' and 'anointing' in Daniel regarding this daycount of a 360 day count as this 'time' then resulting in a 720+360+180=1260 day summation related to this 'blessing' in 1290 days and 1335 days?
    And why is Noah's 'time' between the destruction of the 'old world' to the 'new rainbow covenant' between the 'new mankind and God' exactly 370+7=377 days, including the 7 days for the 'building of the ark'?

    Why, why, why?
    Who asks those questions and why are those time specifics found in the bible, but not the other 'Holy Books'?

    I am sure you can answer those questions for yourself, dear magamud. And you know who understood the 'secrets of the codes' and mysteries, because heshe composed or created them in their original version.

    John 1.1-18: King James Version (KJV)

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
    7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
    8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
    9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
    16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
    17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    As one of the carpenters and artesians who can and have heard the clarion calls;
    as one of the rememberers of the ancient times and the meeting places of the future past;
    Feel the Truth, magamud - feel it and Know it in your soul, heart and cosmic beingness!​


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    Re: Conversations regarding the Cosmic Changes in Archetypes and Symbols

    empty. magamud on Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:31 pm

    magamud Today at 12:31 pm

    Tonyblue said: encoded lexicons of collected writings with both exoteric and esoteric meanings.

    The good book insured by the creator to hold his word. Im amazed at how much myth points to past cycles with the One. Osiris, Mithra, Krishna, Odin. A timeless tale and im just the son of a salesman, grace of god opened my eyes.

    Tonyblue said: A very limited translation of the exoteric or outer results in literalism, fundamentalistic dogmatism and often bigotry, religious zealotism and the many biases of the human mindedness.

    A testimony to our nature. Hard to stop our species projections when your dealing with desolation!

    Tonyblue said: abusive semantic pollution'

    A credit to our species power. The Vedas narrative contradicting the Christ in todays time is quite amazing.
    The pharisees do not enter, nor do they let anyone else enter..

    Tonyblue said: Why, why, why?

    Yes nothing left uncovered to the very mathematics of it.
    Show me the stone the builders rejected and I will show you the capstone.

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    devakas Today at 12:48 pm

    Magmud said: A credit to our species power. The Vedas narrative contradicting the Christ in todays time is quite amazing. The pharisees do not enter, nor do they let anyone else enter..

    a liar thinks that whole world are liars
    There is no conflict in pure Christ teachings, He was realized soul, He spoke about Love to God, the so called christians are quite amazing.


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    magamud Today at 1:12 pm

    Thank you Devakas.

    Man knows not what he does, what does that make him?

    The Vedas can evolve easily, by just acknowledging the Christ and not over compensating their mental speculations.

    The test is acknowledging his flesh and blood. Or taking the Eucharist has Tony explains it, but the Vedas are so in the clouds like the birds.

    Come back to earth friend....

    Devakas said:
    a liar thinks that whole world are liars
    There is no conflict in pure Christ teachings, He was realized soul, He spoke about Love to God, the so called christians are quite amazing.


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    THEeXchanger Today at 1:53 pm

    people with 'real' truth - live in this world in eXile :(

    why is that ???

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    Raven Today at 4:01 pm
    THEeXchanger wrote : :people with 'real' truth - live in this world in eXile :(

    why is that ???

    The 'Little Season' of the Devil's Deception per the Exiles from the Stars of Thuban

    This is a general statement for and to this forum of the Moabytes.

    I have created this latest thread on 'Conversations' for a particular purpose and reason; namely to continue the bridge between this forum of 'The Mists of Avalon' and the Thuban information share and transmission, after shilo decided to resign from this forum as a member defined participator.

    However certain administrative decicions and choices, as well as the general mentality on this forum in regards to the data sharing of Thuban and the manner of discourses, which favour 'New Age BS' (NABS) and gross generalisations, as well as misrepresentations of data presented over a more detailed and mindfully demanding discussion and debate; have now rendered my attempts of building 'Bridges over the Troubled Waters' less tenable and as a lesson in relative futility.

    There are other reasons for the decision to cease contributing information on this forum from the Thuban archives and as created and communicated from the ex member shiloh in cooperation and cocreation with other dragons here and there and everywhere. Thubans are all independent agents for the Cosmic TwinLogos and so it is the individual's choice to actively participate on MOA or to resign or to remain as an inactive reader of the material and topics shared by the MOA forum. It is the data flow from shiloh through me, which has now ended, not the general presence of Thubans here on this forum. In view of the hostile reception from most of the participants here, other administrative decisions regarding bannings and an indirect request for Thubans to leave remains however a possibility.

    A special notion of gratitude is extended to Floyd here, who when he created this forum after the dissolution of the Old Project of Avalon forum in April 2010, saw it fit and proper to invite the 'banned dragons' from that forum to establish a web presence on the newly born MOA forum in two installations. Your efforts and awareness about the 'cosmic order' and the 'cosmic justification' with regards to a 'New World' and 'order of things', is well appreciated and was welcomed. Thank You, Gracias, Merci and Danke Schön, Floyd from the Dragon Den.

    Further notions of gratidude are extended to some members here, who, if not aligned to the Thuban information, nevertheless exhibited a welcoming heart and a higher cosmic awareness of truth and a feeling as to 'how things must and should be' in a 'higher order' of things.
    Those members are the ones, who do not openly affiliate themselves with the Thuban label, but nevertheless have grown a bridge between their Thinking Hearts and their Feeling Minds.
    So on behalf of Noah's Ark de Thuban, I wish to thank Mudra and Sanicle and Brook and Lionhawk and MP33 and Malletzky as displaying etiquette and a cosmic maturity well above the standard responses received from the general interactivees.
    There has been a 'change in perception' in some members here, who thought and felt it appropriate to render their hostilities towards Thuban, say as displayed on the old Project Avalon forum, as less intensive and pronounced.
    For this reason alone, my presence here was not in vain and resulted in benefical outcomes in the cosmically encompassing sense.

    The scriptural or encoded reason engages the 'Little Season' of deception and as encoded in the Book of Revelations:

    Revelation 6:10-12
    King James Version (KJV)

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Revelation 20:2-4
    King James Version (KJV)

    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    As the planetary birthing cocoon will be in hibernation until the December solstice 2012; the 'execution' and fulfilment of this code must be templated in a say higher physical density and a lower logistical dimension before the Gaian rebirth and for the purpose to become mirrored or reflected following the metaphysical rebirth in a lower physical density and a higher logistical dimension.
    The 'Little Season' encoded so is in a way 'blueprinted' in a cosmic metaphysical legislature, before it can be executed in a cosmic physical process of this selfsame jurisdiction.

    There are four 'Little Seasons' in the year 2012:

    March Equinox on Tuesday, March 20th, 2012 at 05:14 UCT as the 1st day
    June Solstice on Wednesday, June 20th, 2012 at 23:09 UCT as the 93rd day in +1+92=93 days
    September Equinox on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 at 14:49 UCT as the 187th day in 93+94=187 days
    December Solstice on Friday, December 21st, 2012 at 11:12 UCT as the 277th day in 187+90=277 days

    As the 'Great Prophetic Platonic Cycle or Degree Year' is encoded as 360 days, a 'Little Season', meaning one of the four timeperiods between an annual solstice and an annual equinox is 360/4=90 days and this then matches the 'timespan before the Gaian Rebirth' from September 22nd, 2012 to December 21st, 2012 to the 'timespan after the Gaian Rebirth' from January 31st, 2014 to Beltane 2014 in January 31st, 2014 - April 30th-May 1st, 2014.
    Details on this can be found on some of the Thuban calendars and timeline in the Thuban forum.

    The Bridge between Thuban and MOA has now become burned and has fallen into the 'Waters of the Abyss of the Self deceptions and the NABS delusions'.

    The 'Conversation' thread will however continue on the Heavenforum of at Conversations on BirthofGaia,
    as well as on the Thuban library at at Conversations on Thuban.
    On those forums, shilo is also known as Didymos and as Thubanis respectively.

    Anyone who would like to ask questions in that library or simply read and peruse the continuity of this thread, is invited to participate in any manner desired or appropriate for the enquirer.

    Farewell Moabytes, we might meet again under rather different circumstances!

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    'Meteor' showers seen lighting up the skies across Scotland

    CONCERNED members of the public from Airdrie to Arbroath reported sightings of fireworks and even plane crashes as they called emergency services.

    meteor 1.

    A suspected meteor sighting from Coatbridge

    A SUSPECTED meteorite shower over Scotland prompted a flurry of 999 calls from worried members of the public last night.
    Concerned callers from Airdrie to Arbroath likened the lights they saw in the sky to flares, fireworks and even a plane crash.
    Coastguard and police up and down the country were inundated with reports from around 11pm.

    The Daily Record newsdesk received a spate of calls from Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Dumbarton, Shotts, Grangemouth, various parts of Fife and Milton of Campsie - all from members of the public who reported seeing bright objects in the sky.

    One shocked Coatbridge woman sent us a picture, which clearly shows a bright light shooting through the sky, taken from outside her house shortly after 11pm.

    A spokesman for Forth Coastguard said: "From talking to other stations and to the RAF it's almost certainly meteorite activity.
    "Calls came in from all over the place, thick and fast. We've had people report possible plane crashes, and others the weirdest fireworks they've ever seen.
    "Folk just haven't known how to describe what they've seen. It's quite extraordinary."

    The spokesman said reports had come from Crail, Johnshaven and Arbroath. Clyde Coastguard said it had received a "wee flurry" of calls reporting flares seen in Drummore, Airdrie and Brodick on Arran.

    A spokeswoman said: "When we get it all over and at the same time then we attribute them to meteorites. There was meteorite activity forecast from September 15 to 21."
    Shetland Coastguard said a report of a flare at 11.10pm at Duncansby Head near John O'Groats was thought to be part of the meteorite shower.

    From Jennifer Eve: Friendly clouds appearing after sunrise in Nevada (near Wendover) (Nov 15, 2010)

    Matthew 24:
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
    48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
    49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
    51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Luke 10:17-19
    17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
    18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
    19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    Rosh Hashanah began in the evening of Sunday, 16 September 2012, and ended in the evening of Tuesday, 18 September 2012.

    Sunday, September 16th, 2012 = New Virgo Moon in Virgo Sun at 23°37' at 02:11 UCT

    Monday, September 17th, 2012 = Rosh Hosanna = "Day of Judgement' = Day of Trumpets and Horns

    Wednesday, September 19th, 2012 = Midweekpoint at 08:30 UCT

    Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 = September Equinox, 2012 at 14:49 UCT

    21:49 + 5x24 + 14:49 = 120 + 36:38 hours and midpointed at 156:38=78:19+78:19 hours for 02:11+78:19 = 80:30 hours = Wednesday, September 19th, 2012 at 08:30 hours

    Sunday, September 30th, 2012 = Full Aries Moon in Libra Sun at 07°22' at 03:19 UCT
    Monday, October 15th, 2012 = New Libra Moon in Libra Sun at 22°32' at 12:03 UCT

    Isaiah 66:22-24 (KJV)
    22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
    23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
    24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):
    {27} "If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."


    Meteor lights up sky over Walsall

    EYEWITNESSES from across the UK - including Walsall - have reported seeing glowing objects in the night sky, thought to be meteors.

    The lights were seen as far north as Caithness in north-east Scotland and as far south as Norfolk in East Anglia.

    Experts said the meteors could be space junk, possibly satellite debris, burning up on entry to the atmosphere.

    The meteor shower has so far also been reported in parts of north-east England, Wales and in Scottish cities such as Glasgow and Edinburgh.

    Brian Guthrie in Grangemouth near Edinburgh, who watched the objects pass through the sky, told the BBC it appeared to be something "pretty large breaking up in the atmosphere".

    "I've seen shooting stars and meteor showers before, but this was much larger and much more colourful."
    One person who contacted the BBC said it was "kind of a mass of light, gold light. Everything moving in unison".

    "It wasn't diverging or whatever. I thought it was a plane at first. It was quite low on the horizon and moving much slower than I'd expect to see a shooting star, but it was amazing."

    Another said the sight was "like Independence Day" in reference to the film about an alien invasion of Earth.

    "It was broken up by the time I saw it. There must have been 10 or 15 huge pieces on fire, white hot with red down the side."

    Dr Tim O'Brien, associate director of the Jodrell Bank Observatory, said it was difficult to know the cause the meteor shower.

    "These bright lights seen over the skies of Lisburn, Northern Ireland, are possibly pieces of satellite. It's hard to say exactly, whether it was a chunk of rock coming in from outer space, burning up in the atmosphere or a bit of space debris, we call it, space junk, which is basically man-made stuff from a spacecraft that's burning up in the atmosphere.

    "[The meteor was] probably 80 miles up or so, high up, moving very fast, actually, 18,000 miles an hour, probably, at least."

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    Cosmic Cube of the Dragon Fractal Hologram

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):

    {5} Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

    {7} Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

    {8} And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    {9} Jesus said, "Now the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered them. Some fell on the road; the birds came and gathered them up. Others fell on the rock, did not take root in the soil, and did not produce ears. And others fell on thorns; they choked the seed(s) and worms ate them. And others fell on the good soil and it produced good fruit: it bore sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per measure."

    {10} Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

    {11} Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    {21} Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
    He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    {22} Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

    {23} Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

    {27} "If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."

    {29} Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

    {30} Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

    {38} Jesus said, "Many times have you desired to hear these words which I am saying to you, and you have no one else to hear them from. There will be days when you will look for me and will not find me."

    {39} Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

    {40} Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."

    {41} Jesus said, "Whoever has something in his hand will receive more, and whoever has nothing will be deprived of even the little he has."

    {42} Jesus said, "Become passers-by."

    {43} His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
    "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate its fruit (or) love the fruit and hate the tree."

    {44} Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."

    {50} Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

    {51} His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
    He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

    {64} Jesus said, "A man had received visitors. And when he had prepared the dinner, he sent his servant to invite the guests.
    He went to the first one and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said, 'I have claims against some merchants. They are coming to me this evening. I must go and give them my orders. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
    He went to another and said to him, 'My master has invited you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a house and am required for the day. I shall not have any spare time.'
    He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'My friend is going to get married, and I am to prepare the banquet. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
    He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a farm, and I am on my way to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused.'
    The servant returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you invited to the dinner have asked to be excused.' The master said to his servant, 'Go outside to the streets and bring back those whom you happen to meet, so that they may dine.' Businessmen and merchants will not enter the places of my father."

    {70} Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

    {71} Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be able to build it [...]."

    {72} A man said to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me."
    He said to him, "O man, who has made me a divider?"
    He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I am not a divider, am I?"

    {73} Jesus said, "The harvest is great but the laborers are few. Beseech the Lord, therefore, to send out laborers to the harvest."

    {74} He said, "O Lord, there are many around the drinking trough, but there is nothing in the cistern."

    {75} Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the solitary who will enter the bridal chamber."

    {76} Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."

    {77} Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

    {80} Jesus said, "He who has recognized the world has found the body, but he who has found the body is superior to the world."

    {81} Jesus said, "Let him who has grown rich be king, and let him who possesses power renounce it."

    {82} Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."

    {83} Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."

    {84} Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!"

    {108} Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

    {109} Jesus said, "The kingdom is like a man who had a hidden treasure in his field without knowing it. And after he died, he left it to his son. The son did not know (about the treasure). He inherited the field and sold it. And the one who bought it went plowing and found the treasure. He began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."

    {111} Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will be rolled up in your presence. And the one who lives from the living one will not see death." Does not Jesus say, "Whoever finds himself is superior to the world?"

    {112} Jesus said, "Woe to the flesh that depends on the soul; woe to the soul that depends on the flesh."

    {113} His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
    "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

    Huge fireballs shoot across night sky in spectacular 'meteor' shower ... but turns out it was probably space junk falling back to Earth

    • 20 orange objects soared through the night sky at speeds in excess of 18,000 miles an hour
    • High number of eye-witness accounts suggest the sightings may have been bits of space hardware
    • Meteors flash by while bits of old spacecraft appear in the sky for longer
    By Sam Shead
    PUBLISHED:19:10 GMT, 22 September 2012| UPDATED: 19:10 GMT, 22 September 2012

    Experts claim that the suspected meteors seen soaring through UK skies last night may have been bits of man-made satellites.
    If they turn out to be right then hundreds of people will have been looking up at bits of old spacecraft burning up as they entered the atmosphere.

    The large number of eyewitness accounts also support the expert's theory as meteors - or fragments of rock - flash across the sky in an instant while incoming space hardware takes longer to pass over.

    Meteor 2.

    Meteors or old bits of man-made space equipment? Experts and local reports suggest last night's firework display may have been bits of space junk re-entering Earth's atmosphere

    Dr Tim O'Brien, associate director of the Jordell Bank Observatory, told the BBC it was probably 'orbital debris from satellites.

    '[The object was] probably 80 miles up or so, high up, moving very fast, actually, 18,000 miles an hour, probably, at least.'

    Colin Johnston of Armagh Planetarium told the BBC a meteor shower had now been anticipated.
    'It could be a bit of natural space junk which has been floating around the universe for billions of years, or it could be a man-made satellite which has burned up,' he said.

    The bright lights were seen streaking through the sky in the North of England, Northern Ireland and Scotland.
    They were seen as far as the Shetland Islands in Scotland as well as in Wales and Norfolk in East Anglia.
    Many people in Manchester, Leeds and Blackpool have also been busy posting pictures of last night's event.

    Meteor 3.
    Jim Ramsay, 44, spotted the bright light while taking pictures of the night sky near Squinty Bridge in Glasgow city centre

    Jim Ramsay, 44, spotted the bright light while taking pictures of the night sky near Squinty Bridge in Glasgow city centre.

    'I was taking photos when I suddenly saw this really bright white light approaching,' said Jim, from Glasgow.
    'It kept coming towards me and I wondered what it could be as it didn't seem like a plane or a helicopter and was too bright for a Chinese lantern.
    'It was visible for at least 45 seconds, then it split into about 10 pieces all travelling at the same rate, before disappearing.
    'It was really spectacular and the talk of the town afterwards.'

    Civil engineering student Craig Usher, 23, was taking photos of the north star at Loch Thom in Scotland when he saw the meteor out the corner of his eye.

    'I suddenly saw this flash out of the side of my eye and saw a meteor breaking into about 20 pieces,' said Craig, who is a student at Glasgow University.
    'They were heading relatively slowly across the sky so I quickly turned my camera around and started taking some photos.

    Meteor 4.
    Tom Heaton, 28, was star gazing with his girlfriend for the first time when they saw the meteor in Galloway Forest Park in Scotland

    'I was absolutely gobsmacked to see the meteor and really pleased to have got the pictures.'

    Tom Heaton, 28, was star gazing with his girlfriend for the first time when they saw the meteor in Galloway Forest Park in Scotland.
    'It was a one in a million chance we were in just the right place at the right time,' he said.
    'At first I thought a plane had crashed, but then I realised it was a meteor. We were very lucky to spot it.'

    Meteors are particles from space that burn up as they plummet through Earth's atmosphere, sometimes emitting light and creating a 'fireball' effect.
    Meteorites are larger, more durable objects that survive heating in the atmosphere and land on Earth.

    Read more:

    Ancient Royal Stars.
    'Adam's Metric Meter' of the Dragons as the Matrix of Thuban - The Pyramids and 82=41+41=Armageddon=DragonMade=DreamDream=OmegaKing=Naviga=Get Fuc11ed!

    Future Shadows in the Time of Now
    For the Eye of the Shaman of Ophis, the Eagleman and for the Ear of the Witch of Arachne, the Spiderwoman.
    These translations form a continuity to the dispensations given under the Mayan code of honour (In Lak'ech!).

    The 2009 timeline requires an extended polarisation between human factions, adhering to an agenda of increased separation; for the implementation of the timeline for the metamorphosis of the universe, centered on the planet of the humanoids, to proceed.
    Only after the nexus point of December 6th, 2011 has been reached, will the necessity of depersonalisation and the absence of debate and commentary with respect to these Mayan messages, become increasingly apparent.

    The reason for publishing certain facts on relatively obscure sites and forums then serves the purpose to allow cessation of opinionated analysis of probabilities regarding those facts and as witnessed in books, media channels, the internet and expert references.
    These messages of 2009 so shall serve for clarification for those readers, who can identify with the Eye of the Shaman and the Ear of the Witch.

    The major message is this.
    The Mayan Precessional Year of 5x13x144,000=9,360,000 kin or 'mean solar days' will be fulfilled on December 21st, 2012 AD, having begun on July 27th, 10,802 BC as a precessional midway point.
    This midway-point then mirrored another precessional median at about 23,616 BC and a greater cycle of humanity, which began about 36,429 BC with the advent of what is commonly understood to be 'Modern Man' or Homo Sapiens Sapies.
    This date is also specified in the prophetic scriptures of the Judeo-Christian worldview (Genesis, Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelation) in a date beginning December 8th, 2004.
    This latter date and the Mayan nexus are also indicated in the timeline of the Great Pyramid.

    The human history so converges from the oldest timeline of the Sphinxian Pyramid as a midway precessional nexus to the Mayan calendar and the biblical reckonings.
    These messages so convey a particular information to give due notice of preparedness; as once this 'shift in spacetime' has been attained, a certain metaphysical reality will no longer be subject to belief or opinionated suppositions.
    This implies, that the 'unprepared in mind' will experience great difficulty to mentally process a particular 'new physical reality', revolving about the addition of a fourth spacial dimension to the present 4-dimensional Euclidean Minkowskian spacetime continuum.

    The 'preparation' for this new dispensation so engages and requires a familarisation of the perceived 'selfhood' or individuation in the present climate of 'beingness' within an imagined 5-dimensional environment, in which the present reality reduces to a cross-sectional part of a greater and encompassing reality.
    The true reality and as known by the adepts throughout the ages of humanity will then cease to be subject to ignorance, denial or ridicule; as this metaphysical reality will become understood to form a background for a c-invariant electromagnetomonopolic radiation matrix, no longer subject to the lightspeed barrier for inertial parameters.

    The production of electromagnetic radiation by inertia carriers will become supplemented by the production of wormhole- or sourcesink string-energy by a mass- or inertia-precursive agencies.

    In other words, considering this information within your own sense of relativity and your own frames of reference will allow you, should you so choose, to arrive at the appropriate (meaning unified or holistic or holographic) conclusions regarding thoses facts and a subsequent closure of opinionated ados and squabbling debates, based on various extrapolations upon those facts.
    This first dispensation will address the Pyramid of Khufu of the Gizean complex in Egypt.

    This subject matter is highly controversial, as it it well known in 'initiatory' circles located in 'high places', that the information encoded in the pyramid serves as a testimony and 'guideline' for the 'mental and physical' evolution for the terrestrial humanity in the collective and the individual sense.
    It is so considered necessary by the 'echelons,' to sequester the 'deeper unified' interpretations and analysis from public discernment.
    Having access to all and sundry information hitherto 'discovered' by the humanoid collective and without encumberances of fiscal restraints; the 'secretizers' use all means possible to disinform the populus via public media as to the importance of the pyramidal timelines and agendas.

    The pyramidal agenda necessarily relate the metaphysical realities to their physical manifestations and expressions.
    Therefore the analysis and research into the nature and purpose of the pyramid becomes very often 'emotionally charged' in a seeking of the harmony between the physical realism and its metaphysical or 'spiritual' derivative and progenitor.
    The 'sequesterers' so utilize this 'climate of intensity' to filter any relevant information made public, be it based on scientific deduction and measurement or extrapolated superpositions of historical sources, such as prophetic scriptures and mythologies.

    This becomes evident in the public acceptance of open legal slander with regards to labeling so called pyramidologists as pyramidiots.
    No other topic matter 'scares' the 'echeloners' more, than should members of the 'ignorant' populus 'discover' the final 'hidden secrets' of the pyramid; as the complete 'decipherment' still eludes even the 'most initiated' 'leaders' and members of the 'independents'.
    The many books and documents published on the Great Pyramid so are all 'incomplete' and contain extensive disinformation, no matter how 'authoritative' they are presented by adherent or skeptic alike.
    This dispensation so shall proceed in continual update and as it is appropriate.


    Thursday, September 27th, 2012 6:00 pm (+10 UCT)
    The Devil's Deception in the Relativity of the Cosmic Self has become a S'lived Deception in the History of Thuban and its Ambassadors and Exiles!

    RavenFlyerDove for Sirebard Beardris aka Dr. O. Beatrice Arise,
    DEDED the BIBI DRAGON of 2R2 in 18=9+9=9x9=81 by the Cosmic Twin Dragon Didymos


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    magamud Today at 4:32 pm
    Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.

    Mark 10:43


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    Floyd Today at 12:54 am
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    Allisiam Well-Known Member

    The Talmud of Jmmanuel and Billy Meier of Plejaran Starworlds

    As some Dragons have come across the 'Talmud of Immanuel' NABS disinformation; a more detailed critique as to the claims and propositions made in that document is appropriate.
    The short clips and this quote here, which should show the 'rather human agenda driven and political nature' of this material in a self-evidence for anyone reading this:

    Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred:
    TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized.
    The writing goes on...

    There are countless forgeries and hoaxes claiming to be The Real Bible (instead of the one we normally use, which -- according to the hoaxers -- has been altered and censored by the Popes or the priests).

    Several groups of people have a vested interest in forgeries. Cult weirdos who seek "evidence" for their ideas. Publishers who are out to make money. Exhibitionists who want to become famous by creating a sensation.
    These things follow a pattern: A hoax is published and receives a lot of media attention, not because it has any credibility but because the claims are sensational. After a time it is refuted by scholars and disproved by science. Years later, the same hoax is published again -- sometimes just as a reprint, more often in a subtly altered form. The same sensation reappears in the media, because the refutation has been forgotten. And so it goes on.
    This site is intended as a reference for those who have found mysterious or sensational claims concerning "the Real bible" or manuscript finds with amazing new information. I'm sure you will find most of the answers here. If not, please drop me a line and I'll expand the material.

    Åke Eldberg

    A new-found gospel ?

    The "Gospel of Thomas" has been presented in the media as the forgotten gospel which is needed to set straight the message of the New Testament. It is not a bible hoax in the usual sense of the word, but an actual ancient manuscript. However, it is not a real gospel.
    The Church Fathers Hippolytos and Origen knew about a Thomas gospel, the contents of which they did not recognize as genuinely Christian. But the actual book has only existed in fragments since the end of antiquity. In the late 1940s, a complete version was found at Nag Hammadi in southern Egypt. It was part of a library of more than 40 gnostic scriptures. The manuscripts were from the 4th century, copies of older originals.

    Since these scriptures were published and translated, they have been examined by exegetic scholars around the world. The Thomas manuscript is a collection of 114 Jesus utterances. About half of them are similar to utterances in the canonic gospels, but all are slightly different. To some extent, contents and meaning have been altered. The biggest difference to the NT is that there is no narrative material about the life of Jesus. His utterances are given without any reference to when and where they were spoken. Similarly, there are no discussions with Jewish learned men, and all references to the Old Testament are missing.

    There is no trace of the central NT story - Jesus' birth, death on the cross, and resurrection. When the Thomas gospel speaks of the Divine life, it is without reference to the empty tomb of Christ. The document has no interest in the historic Jesus, only the "living Jesus". This transforms him from the saviour of mankind to just a teacher. No admonitions to repentance or conversion are present; everything is about knowledge and spiritual insights.
    Scholars immediately recognized that the Thomas gospel is a gnostic book. Several other manuscripts from the same find even more clearly belong to this philosophy. The differences to the Biblical gospels are so vast that we should not be surprised that this book was not included in the Bible, regardless of its age. There is no evidence for that it was used in regular Church services either.

    Gnosticism has some ideas in common with Christianity. It uses a similar language e.g. in speaking of light and darkness, like the gospel of John. But in its basic approach, gnosticism is completely alien to Christianity. It does not offer faith in a redeemer, only insights into the secrets of life. It regards the material world as completely separate from the spiritual reality, in a way which excludes the Biblical belief in creation. This leads to a morality which either becomes extremely ascetic or completely libertine/hedonist. In the present age when Christianity is being diluted or weakened in the Western world, the gnostic ideas are again on the agenda. The gospel of Thomas fits right in: it presents Jesus as a teacher of wisdom, separated from the time and place where he lived.
    At the core is the question of whether Man needs a saviour, or whether we are able to save ourselves by reaching a sufficient spiritual "level". The former is Christianity, the latter is Gnosticism.

    CAVEAT: Ake Eldberg can be termed a 'conventional' Christian 'Believer', who follows the orthodox understanding of the 'Nag Hammadi' documents. His critique on the genres 'presented' to a underinfomed and 'gullible' undiscerning public by 'Bible Conspirators'{},
    like D. M. Murdock aka Acharya S, Michael Tsarion, Santos Bonacci, Frank O'Collins, Tony Bushby and many more adherents to 'New Age Logos deniers' and 'Christ mythologizers' {}, as well as more 'mainstream critics' like the 'Jesus Seminar's' Robert M. Price (his critique on the Jmmanuel Talmud is below and is commendable however) and 'theologian' Barbara Thiering and the 'New Atheism' 'religion' with 'followers' like Victor Stenger, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins, is excellent and his critique on the gnostic literature in general is good.

    He however fails to analyse the 'literaral genius and uniqueness' of the Gospel of Thomas in just the 'light and darkness' of his own orthodox fashion and tradition.

    Jim Deardorff:
    quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...)

    Rev. Ake Eldberg:
    Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste.
    The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism.
    The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication".
    This should suffice to expose this NABS disinfo, plated by the ufo conspirators and the mainstream Nabs manipulators with the loger clips for the watchers, who can bear quasi academic dispositions of presenting 'relative factual data' in a disseminated form of 'alternative truth'.

    Downloadlink for this 'alternative gospel':
    Many chapters show clear references to a potpourri of the synoptic gospels and the gnostic gospels in the liturgical canon, as well as the Gospel of Thomas. I have exemplified chapter 15, as it addresses the 'Second Coming' of the LogosTwin; who Billy Meier believed of course to be somehow related or identified as his own Pleijadean ancestry, lineage or descendancy.
    But on closer analysis this 'comforting information' as Logos truth within a 'time of false prophets', 'Jesus in the flesh' and 'resurrection deniers' describes the 'remnant of the Logos witnesses' and 'dragon' testifiers rather well.

    An excellent analysis of the entire Meier-Pleiadean hoax is here:

    Chapter 15
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    The Meaning of The Parables

    1. That same day Jmmanuel went out and walked to the sea, where he sat
    2. Many people gathered around him, so that he stepped into a boat and
    sat down, and all the people stood on the shore.
    3. He talked to them in parables about various things, saying, "Behold, a
    sower went out to sow.
    4. "While he sowed, some seeds fell on the pathway; then the birds came
    and ate them up.
    5. "And some fell on the rocks, where there was not much soil.
    6. "And as the sun rose high, they withered, and because they had no
    roots, they dried out.
    7. "Some fell among the thoms; and the thorns grew up and smothered
    8. "Some fell on good ground and bore fruit, some hundredfold, some
    sixty-fold, some thirty-fold.
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    9. "Those who have ears, let them hear."
    10. The disciples stepped up to him and said, "Why do you speak in
    parables, when they do not understand your teachings! "
    11. He answered, saying, "It has been given to you to understand the
    secrets of the spirit, but it has not been given to them.
    12. "They certainly hear my words, but they still live and think according
    to the false teachings of their scribes and Pharisees.
    13. "Their consciousness is unknowing and empty, therefore they must
    first learn to live and think.
    14. "What would be better to make them come alive and think, if not
    through speaking in parables?
    15. "Truly, I say to you, life and the knowledge of truth are only valuable
    and good when they are achieved through one's own thinking or through
    the resolving of mysteries that are recounted in parables.
    16. "As yet humans have little knowledge and no insight, and they are not
    yet conscious of the laws of Creation and the power of the spirit.
    17. "First, humans must learn to recognize the truth and thus to live
    according to the laws of Creation, so they may become knowledgeable
    and strong in spirit.
    18. "For to those who have, more will be given so they may have in
    abundance; but from those who have not, from them will be taken what
    they have.
    19. "Therefore, I speak to them in parables, because with seeing eyes they
    do not see, and with hearing ears they do not hear; nor do they
    20. "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says, 'With your
    ears you will hear and not understand; and with open eyes you will see
    and not perceive.'

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    21. "For these people are stubborn in their minds and endeavours. The
    ears of these humans hear pooriy and their eyes slumber, so they neither
    see with their eyes nor hear with their ears, nor understand with their
    intelligence. Nor do they try to comprehend the truth and the
    acknowledged laws of Creation, although they would thereby attain help
    and knowledge.
    22. "For the people of Israel are unfaithful to the laws of Creation and are
    accursed, and never will they find peace.
    23. "Their blood will be shed, for they constantly transgress against the
    laws of Creation.
    24. "They presume themselves above all humankind as a chosen people
    and thus as a separate race.
    25. "What an evil error and what an evil presumption, for inasmuch as
    Israel was never one people or one race, so it was never a chosen people.
    26. "Unfaithful to the laws of Creation, Israel is a mass of people with an
    inglorious past, characterized by murder and arson.
    27. "Only a few fathers in the masses of these unfaithful have an
    honourable past and a traceable family tree.
    28. "These, however, are not part of the brood of snakes and vipers who
    have pledged themselves to the false Judaic faith,
    29. "to the false beliefs and false teachings they adopted from Moses
    who, in turn, had stolen them from the Egyptians.
    30. "These few fathers are knowers of the truth and of true knowledge,
    and they recognize only the laws of Creation.
    31. "They became rare in this land, however, and so can be counted on
    just one man's hand.
    32. "They are only a few, and no one's eyes may recognize them, and no
    one's ears may hear them.
    33. "But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear.
    34. "Truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous men have wanted
    to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did
    not hear it.

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    35. "So listen now to the hidden meaning of this parable about the sower:
    36. "If someone hears the word of truth about the spirit and the laws, and
    does not understand it, then the evil one comes and snatehes away what is
    sown in their mind. That is for whom it is sown on the pathway.
    37. "But for whom it is sown on the rocks, that is the one who hears the
    word and promptly accepts it with joy
    38. "But this person has no roots within, so that which is heard cannot
    take hold and grow. Rather, this one is fickle and becomes annoyed when
    misery and persecution arise because of the truth.
    39. "But for whom it is sown among the thorns, that is the one who hears
    the word, but the woes of the worid and the deception of material riches
    smother the truth and the knowledge; thus this one brings forth no fruit.
    40. "But for whom it is sown on good ground, this is the one who accepts
    the word and seeks and finds the truth, so as to be able to live according
    to the laws of truth; thus the fruit is allowed to grow and ripen, bringing
    in a rich harvest. One person bears a hundredfold, another sixty-fold and
    another thirty- fold.
    41. "These are the meanings of the parables, whose secrets must be
    deciphered by the people, in order that they learn to think and develop
    42. "Nevertheless, the path to wisdom and finding the truth is long, as is
    compliance with the laws of Creation, even though these are so obvious."

    The Weeds Among The Good Fruit

    43. But he put before them another parable and said, "The spiritual
    kingdom is like a man who planted good seeds in his field.
    44. "But while he slept, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the
    good seeds and went away.
    45. "As the plantings grew and bore fruit, the weeds also appeared.
    46. "Then the servants came to the sower and said, 'Master, did you not
    sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

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    47. "He spoke to them, 'An enemy has done this.' Then the servants said,
    'Do you want us to go out and pull up the weeds?'
    48. "He replied, 'No, lest you uproot the good fruit when you pull up the
    49. '"Let both grow together until the harvest, and near harvest time I will
    tell the reapers: First gather the weeds and bind them in bundles, that they
    may be burned and the ashes strewn over the field so that the soil will be
    nourished; but gather the good fruit and stack it for me in my bam.
    50. "For behold:' said Jmmanuel, "both grow side by side, the weeds and
    the good fruit.
    51. "The weeds hinder the good fruit from growing, yet later the weeds
    will become compost and nourish the ground.
    52. "Were it not for the weeds being made into nourishment for the soil,
    the good fruit could not grow, since it needs nourishment."

    The Mustard Seed

    53. He presented the people with another parable, saying, "The spiritual
    kingdom is like a mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field.
    54. "It is the smallest among the seeds, but when it is grown, it is bigger
    than all the shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the sky come
    and dwell in its branches.

    The Leaven

    55. He told the people another parable, "The spiritual kingdom is like
    leaven, which a woman took and mixed into three bushels of flour until it
    was thoroughly leavened."
    56. Jmmanuel told the people all of this in parables, and he did not speak
    to them without using parables,
    57. So that what is said through the prophet would be fulfilled, who
    states, "He will open his mouth in parables and will proclaim what has
    been hidden since the beginning of the worid." This was so that people
    might learn from it, find the truth, and recognize and follow the laws.

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    The Treasure In The Field And The Priceless Pearl

    58. "Those who have ears, let them hear: The spiritual kingdom is like a
    hidden treasure in the field, which a person finds and conceals; and in his
    joy over the discoveiy he goes out and sells eveiy thing he has and buys
    the field.
    59. "Once more, the spiritual kingdom is like a merchant who was
    searching for fine pearls. When he found a precious pearl, he went and
    sold everything he had and bought it.

    The Fish Net

    60. "Again, the spiritual kingdom is like a net that was thrown into the
    sea and caught all manner of fish.
    61. "When it was full, the fishermen pulled it ashore, sat down and sorted
    the good fish into containers, but threw the useless ones away.
    62. "Such is the spiritual kingdom, which rules within humans and whose
    king is the human being itself.
    63. "Pay heed to the parables accordingly, and learn to solve their secrets,
    so that you learn to think and to recognize and follow the laws of
    64. "Have you understood all this?" And they said, "Yes."
    65. Then he said, "Therefore, eveiy scribe who has become a disciple of
    the spiritual knowledge and the spiritual kingdom is like the father of a
    household who retrieves from his treasure the new and the old.

    In Nazareth

    66. It happened that after Jmmanuel had finished these parables, he went
    away from there.
    67. Arriving in his hometown of Nazareth, he taught in the synagogue.
    The people were appalled and they said, "How did he come by such
    wisdom and deeds?
    68. "Is he not the son of Joseph, the carpenter, whose wife became
    pregnant by a guardian angel?

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    69. "Is not his mother named Maiy?
    70. "Are not his brothers Judas, Joseph, Simeon and Jacob?
    71. "And his sisters, are they not all with us?
    72. "From where does he get all this wisdom and the power for his
    73. So they took offence at him and threatened to turn him over to the
    74. But Jmmanuel spoke, "Nowhere is a prophet valued less than in his
    own country and in his own house. This will prove true for all time, as
    long as humanity has little knowledge and is enslaved by the delusionaiy
    teachings of the scribes and distorters of scripture.
    75. "So it will come true in two times a thousand years, when humans
    have become knowledgeable and thinking, and when my actual
    unfalsified teachings will be revealed anew.
    76. The new prophet of that distant future will not possess as much
    strength and power over evil and sickness.
    77. "But his knowledge will surpass mine, and his revelations about my
    real teachings will shake the foundations of the entire Earth, for in his
    time the world will be inundated by my teachings, as falsified by the
    distorters of the scriptures, and it will be living in false religious cults that
    bring death.
    78. "It will be a time when wars from space begin to threaten, and many
    new gods will seek to rule over the Earth.
    79. "Truly, truly, I say to you, the new prophet will be persecuted not
    only by a wrong-minded people, as will happen to me, but also by the
    whole world and by many deluded religious cults, which will bring forth
    many false prophets.
    80. "Yet, before the end of two times a thousand years the new prophet
    will reveal my unfalsified teachings to small groups, just as I teach the
    wisdom, the knowledge and the laws of the spirit and of Creation to small
    groups of trusted friends and disciples.

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    81. "Nevertheless, his path will be very difficult and full of obstacles,
    because he will begin his mission in a peace-loving country in the
    North which will be dominated, however, by a strict and false religious
    cult based in scriptural distortions of my teachings.
    82. "Thus I prophesy, and thus it shall be."
    83. And he did not there show great signs of his power, nor did he impart
    his great wisdom because of their disdain for the truth.

    Tonyblue, Tuesday, October 2nd, 2012

    Jim Deardorff, professor and hoax apologist

    Among the more interesting facets of the Talmud Immanuel (see above) is the strong belief that the book has inspired in some people. Retired professor Jim Deardorff has a website dedicated to "scientifically" defending the genuineness of the Talmud Jmmanuel document. Don't be too impressed by his title; Deardorff is a retired professor of Atmospheric Sciences. In relation to ancient documents he is no professor.
    It would not be meaningful to comment on everything at Deardorff's site. The sort of verse-by-verse argumentation that Deardorff uses tends to draw our attention away from the main issues and get us bogged down with details. Therefore, rather than dispute individual claims, I shall concentrate on the basics.
    Deardorff's basic argument

    Deardorff makes an important distinction: we can examine reality with an open mind, or we can decide in advance that certain things are intrinsically impossible. If we assume that space aliens do not exist, or that it is unthinkable that they are in touch with certain select humans beings -- then we have closed minds and will of course not believe any of the claims regarding the TJ document. However, if we examine the document with scientifically open minds and admit that such alien contacts are possible, we will (according to Deardorff) have to admit that the TJ claims are credible. Or (expressed the other way around), the TJ is credible only if intervention by space aliens is a real possibility.
    Difference in the basis of credibility
    At this point we should note that the evidence for the genuineness of the Bible does not presuppose any intervention by God or any other power whose existence cannot be scientifically established. The evidence depends entirely on manuscripts and sources which can be examined by science. If we claim that the Bible is the Word of God, we enter into the realm of religious faith. But the genuineness of the Biblical manuscripts is scientifically examinable regardless of religion.
    The basic counter argument

    The credibility of TJ is based on the statements of a single man, Eduard Meier. Outside of his claims there is not a shred of evidence. His story involves several other people, but on further reading you will find that Meier has taken great care to remove all possibility of examination. All material evidence, all other witnesses, every solid independent fact that could have been subjected to scrutiny, is conveniently unavailable. Meier is certainly not the only person with an amazing story to tell. Thousands around the world tell stories about "flying saucers", abductions by aliens, sightings of Bigfoot, Elvis, angels, or the Loch Ness monster. Dreams that came true, omens and precognitions, telepathy and telekinesis. Such reports of unknown or scientifically unexamined phenomena carry no scientific weight whatsoever.
    Below, Deardorff's text is on the left -- as quoted directly from his website -- and my comments are on the right. (Any text in red in the left column is also mine.)

    Without the originals, as in the case of the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ), one has only its surviving co-discoverer's word that it had been in the form of scrolls, somewhat crumbly in places despite the resin encasement in which they had been preserved. However, this is much more than scholars have to go on with respect to their studies of the New Testament gospels, for example, for which neither the originals nor their first translations or copies, nor their second copies... exist, and for which of course no eyewitness testimony exists.

    The word of one living person is "much more" than the existing manuscript evidence for the New Testament? Hilarious. For the credibility of the real NT, see under "Has the Bible been censored?" on this site.

    When the TJ scrolls were translated into German during the years between 1963 and 1974, occasional peculiarities within the Aramaic writing found their way into the German text, through having been translated rather literally. These are called Aramaisms. The most definite ones that have come to this investigator's attention are as follows:
    (full text of examples ommitted here)

    Among the examples of Aramaisms presented by Deardorff, we find "fell on their faces", "and not", "if not through", "they, the celestial sons", "A stone will turn into bread", "Amen", and "Behold!" It is irrelevant whether they are real aramaisms or not. But it is very relevant that most of them occur in the New Testament and in ancient apocryphs. Anyone imitating the literary style of the Bible would of course seize upon expressions which are untypical for his own modern language.

    Because there was no punctuation within the ancient texts, it was frequently the custom in Aramaic to alert the reader to the beginning of a quotation through use of an expression like "He answered and said...", with the "said" indicating the start of the quotation.

    This is a type of expression not just found in Aramaic but in many ancient texts from before the invention of puctuation. It is quite frequent in the Bible, and many modern Bible translations have kept the redundant "and said". Of course an imitator would notice this as a characteristic formula, and use it in his forgery.

    Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred:
    TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized.
    The quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...)

    Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste.
    The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism.
    The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication".

    Another indication that the original had been an ancient text lacking punctuation is that in many places within the TJ's German text there is a series of three or more nouns, adjectives or verbs in a row, each separated by and ("und") rather than by a comma and a final and.
    A similar clue involving or (the German "oder") occurs at TJ 20:24 and 33:10, where three nouns or prepositional phrases are connected by two or's without use of intervening commas, as in "A or B or C," rather than the modern structure "A, B or C." In Meier's Foreword to the TJ (1978 version, p.8; 1996 version, p. xvi) one may notice that he uses the modern structure.

    The same applies here; these peculiarities are characteristic of non-punctuated text (including NT manuscripts) and have been retained in some translations, which is probably where Meier picked them up.

    Even a brief comparison of the TJ against the Gospel of Matthew discloses that one depends upon the other. The correspondence in order of events and sometimes in wording is too close to permit any other possibility. In comparing them, then, we continually raise the question: Is it more plausible that the writer of Matthew based his text upon the ancient TJ scrolls, or that a 20th-century literary hoaxer based the TJ upon Matthew?
    In these comparisons, the Matthean verse(s) are listed first under "Mt," followed by the parallel or cognate Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) verse(s) when the parallels exist. To access those Matthean verses that have received scholarly criticism or question, just click within the Table below. Explanations follow the Table.
    (long table omitted here)

    Deardorff presents a table of parallells where numbers in blue and green color indicate that the Matthew text has received "valid questions and criticisms" from scholars, "to which the TJ is not subject". He then claims that the number of criticized passages in Matthew is greater than the number of criticized passages in "Talmud Immanuel", and takes this as proof that TJ is the original and Matthew the distorted rewrite.
    This is very unscholarly. It's like putting two cars beside each other, subjecting car A (but not car B) to a thorough technical inspection -- and then presenting the examination results of car A as proof that the unexamined car B is better! He digs up "criticism" on passages in Matthew from certain select scholars, but presents no results of similar scholarly examinations of TJ. Probably because there are none; serious scholars wouldn't touch TJ with a ten foot pole.
    In fact, the results of scholarly examination of Matthew indicate the opposite of what Deardorff thinks. The genuine ancient text of Matthew is the result of a complex process where information was gathered from various sources such as the synoptic text and others. What we have today is a collection of Jesus stories and sayings edited together to form a whole. The very fact that it is not the work of a single writer, strengthens the probability that it is not a hoax. A problem-free, polished "biography of Jesus" would have a much higher hoax probability.

    I have tried not to present "invalid" criticisms based only upon assumptions that with hindsight appear to be false, even when they support the TJ's text over the Matthean text. The most common "invalid" assumptions are:
    (a) The supposition that a Matthean verse is non-genuine merely because it or a portion of it is not found in Mark;
    (b) The supposition that
    [Suppositions c through f ommitted]

    Deardorff attempts to make his presentation look more scholarly by discarding a number of suppositions that would seem to support his case. He does not tell us where these suppositions come from and it would be highly surprising of they were the products of 20th century Bible scholars.
    It's clever. He invents some obviously false ideas which (if they were true) whould strengthen his case. Then he discards them to give us an impression of scientific honesty. However, in terms of relevance he might just as well have discarded the supposition that drunkenness is caused by pink elephants.
    He also fails to define what he means by "genuine" in this context.

    To each of the verse/passage comparisons in the table above a probability has been assigned that it could be a hoax, while avoiding the invalid suppositions listed above. Each probability, labeled PHoax, is a fractional value lying between 0 and 1; a value of 0.5 represents complete uncertainty whether the TJ is a hoax or not, judging from the particular verse comparison, a larger value represents probability that it is a hoax, and a smaller value represent probability that it is not a hoax. I estimated probability values to the closest 0.05 only, and have combined them for each Mt-TJ chapter's set of verse comparisons according to the rules for accumulating probabilities.
    (table omitted here)
    What is the resultant probability, then, based on the hypothesis that either the TJ is a hoax constructed from Matthew or that Matthew was constructed out of the TJ, that the entire TJ could be a hoax? Upon accumulating the above odds for the 28 Matthean chapters, one finds the overall chance that the TJ is a hoax to be around 2 x 10-112. This is no misprint.
    Scholars have long debated to what extent the utterances of Jesus in the gospels are genuine quotes, or have been formulated by the gospel writers. The difference is subtle. Let's say that I heard a famous person speak, a few years ago. His words made a lasting impression. Today I write a book about him. I think back and remember a couple of phrases he used. But most of what I remember is the gist of the speech, not the exact words. What Jesus says in the gospel of Matthew is probably a mix between real quotes and utterances formulated by the author to capture the gist of what he actually said. But Deardorff makes no allowance for a possibility other than "genuine" or "hoax". In his view, the gospel either reports every word exactly as Jesus said it, or it is an intentional distortion of the truth, designed to deceive readers. This is where he is wrong. Moreover, even if the evidence pointed to a serious distortion of Jesus, perpetrated by the gospel writers, this would say nothing whatsoever about the genuineness of the TJ. It would still remain an obvious hoax. Further, the probabilities which Deardorff has assigned to the verses of Matthew and TJ are subjective. Let me do my own version of math here, in similar way. Facts and their assigned probabilities for that TJ is a hoax:
    1. The manuscript is not available: +100 zillion
    2. Only one living person has ever seen the manuscript: +100 zillion
    3. It only exists in a modern-language translation, not even a copy exists in the original language: +80 zillion
    4. No real scholar has examined, much less endorsed, the text:: +70 zillion
    5. Translator is unavailavle (dead or never existed): +28 zillion
    6. Only living witness is a professional UFO activist and by "coincidence" the alleged manuscript supports all his UFO ideas: +200 zillion
    7. Conspiracy theories are used to explain away all these shortcomings: +50 zillion
    So there it is, scientifically and mathematically proved: The probability that TJ is genuine is one in 628 zillion. And I'm not even a mathematician! :)

    The reader is reminded, however, that many scholars exist who insist that Matthew is dependent upon Mark, that a hypothetical document "Q" once existed, that no such thing as the spirit world exists (they haven't studied the past-life, NDE and OBE data), and that UFOs aren't real and associated with extraterrestrials (they haven't studied the UFO phenomenon).

    Scholar's research results (on the sources of NT texts) are here mixed with their personal religious beliefs (denial of the spiritual world) and opinions about UFO phenomena. All of which are lumped together to show how prejudiced they are. By the same logic, we can assume that all scientists who don't believe in a spiritual world or UFOs, will produce false scientific results.
    What Deardorff forgets to say is that his own theories depend on a religious belief in scientifically unproven claims such as telepathy and contacts with space aliens.

    The group of scholars who are best known for their deductions of genuine versus non-genuine Gospel verses is the Jesus Seminar. This group, once larger than 100 scholars, devoted one of their major efforts towards discussing and voting upon the genuineness of Matthew's teaching/discourse verses (see "Voting Records" in Forum 5, No. 1, March 1990). They judged 86% of these 719 Matthean verses to be non-genuine or probably non-genuine.

    The "Jesus Seminar" started with an agenda. Their basic approach was that "Christianity as we know it did not originate with Jesus of Nazareth". Rather, the religion was formed later by Paul and others who assigned to Jesus the role of Messiah. From that basic, pre-conceived assumption, the Jesus Seminar set out to distill from the NT the "real historic Jesus" by stripping away everything that smacked of Christianity.
    They are not the first to attempt this "demythologization" of Jesus. Regardles of whether they are right or wrong, it should be pointed out that the Jesus Seminar represents a radical, extreme position in modern exegetics. NOT a general scholarly consensus of any sort.

    Although this percentage is not so far from what the TJ indicates, this Seminar had few valid clues as to what was genuine and what not, and their batting average in this respect was dismal. They mainly assumed that "Jesus" genuinely spoke only weird or illogical, impractical utterances, such as "Turn the other cheek," "Love your enemies," and the parable of paying the workers in the vineyard the same wage whether they had worked one hour or all day.

    Deardorff finds it incredible that Jesus could have made "weird or illogical, impractical utterances". In other words, a "Jesus utterance" can only be genuine if Deardorff agrees with it. With this fallacious reasoning, Deardorff reveals himself not only as an anti-Christian, but also as a lousy scientist. Whether we agree or not has no scientific value whatsoever in assessing the genuineness of a historical quote.

    The 1992 German version of the Talmud Jmmanuel (TJ) edited by Eduard Meier differs very considerably in detail, though not in substance, from his 1978 German version. For scholarly, investigative reasons, the 1978 TJ may be preferable to the 1992 and later editions. Thus these differences are discussed here. Meier made the alterations at the prompting of one of his Pleiadian ET contactors named Ptaah...

    If there are space aliens around who know the exact wording, we should be able to get a complete version from them, no? Why even bother with trying to prove the TJ manuscript's genuineness when it is not needed for the information?
    Further refutation of Deardorff's claims

    Jim Deardorff has taken issue with my comments on the TJ and has provided more material, two further web pages with about 70,000 characters of text. He repeats untenable arguments which have already been debunked. He draws attention away from the truly critical facts, and focuses on side issues. I will deal with a few things here, but only briefly since I am sure that I'm wasting my breath, or keyboard...

    Deardorff is a typical modern cultist in that he presents an unsubstantiated pseudo-religious belief, but tries to make it out as science. So did Rudolf Steiner (Antroposophy), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), Ron L Hubbard (Scientology) and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (Transcendental Meditation), among others. In an age when science has surpassed religion as provider of ultimate truths, new cults attempt to sell their message as "science". UFO cultism appeared after the second world war, much to the frustration of all those who were interested in scientifically examining reports of unidentified flying objects. People like George Adamski and Gloria Lee discovered that contacts with aliens was a selling message. It still is.

    Deardorff's text is on the left, mine on the right.

    In my discussion of the letter and attack, I mention that after this attack, U.S. newspapers reported how deplorable the "overkill" was in these June 20-22, 1974 air raids on the U.N. supervised Palestinian refugee camps, and that it was out of all proportion to the stated provocation. This tends to back up Rashid's claim.

    The idea that the Israelis would commit whole regiments in a large-scale attack, cause vast collateral damage and bring upon them intermational and UN condemnations, just to take out one guy, is preposterous.
    It's far more likely that Meier needed to put his fictional character in a violent situation in order to explain how the manuscript was lost. A Palestinian refugee camp would be ideal.

    It should not be surprising that certain top Israeli officials would be in close communication with certain of their top religious leaders, as church and state (synagogue and state) in Israel are of course inseparable.
    Like all conspiracy theorists, Deardorff makes extensive use of unsubstantiated suggestions.
    • "It should not be surprising" but I am indeed surprised because there is no evidence.
    • "It goes without saying" but still it apparently needs to be said because there is no evidence.
    • "Meier was informed..." but no mention about by whom.
    • "From what has been learned" with no reference as to how or from whom.
    • "Top officials" are said to act but we don't learn who or even in what agencies they act.
    The more absurd his claims are, the more likely Deardorff is to insert an "of course" in his text. We are asked to accept at face value a convoluted story where all inconsistencies, all lack of evidence, all unlikely statements are explained away with reference to conspiracies by unidentified government, military and religious authorities. This is not science.

    Meier learned in 1976 that Rashid and his family had been assassinated in that year. It would again be no surprise if that had been accomplished through the Israeli secret service, the Mossad. The assassination occurred in Baghdad, where Rashid and family had fled in 1974. The Mossad is well known for its successful operations.

    Considering the political tensions between Irak and Israel, do you honestly believe that an assasination like this could pass without a major outcry from the Irakis? Even in Irak, you can hardly wipe out a whole family without authorities and/or media taking notice.
    I also notice that two statements have been altered here. First, what has elsewhere been presented as a fact (that Rashid was killed by Israeli agents) is now suddenly just an unsubstantiated suggestion: "it would be no surprise if". Second, instead of just Rashid being assassinated, his whole family was now also killed. Conveniently.

    If Eldberg were to start read the TJ's Foreword more carefully, he would find part of the explanation there, in its front pages. There it states that "The spelling of Jmmanuel with a 'J' is no mistake, for according to the Pleiadians, this name is traced back to their forefathers, who spelled the name Jmmanuel in written language with a 'J'."

    Unlike Deardorff, I prefer to treat manuscripts in a scholarly manner, as documents written by human beings, and without reference to divine intervention. Since neither the existence of God or of space aliens can be scientifically proved, I perform my analysis without taking their possible actions into consideration. In fact, any theory which presupposes the existence of such supernatural or unexamined forces, has no scientific value whatsoever.

    Meier was informed that some time after 1963 the tomb site had been covered over by a rockslide.

    How convenient. It remains that as long as the site has not been identified and examined by archaeologists, its existence must remain pure speculation.

    Meier had earlier been informed, in a contact in 1956, that he would come into the possession of such a document, and that it would be part of his mission to promulgate it. He would not be able to do this if he had dutifully handed the scrolls over to Jordanian officials upon their discovery. So it's not written up in any archaeological records, and no archaeologists were in on the dig or informed about the matter.

    Anyone with the least interest in matters of truth and evidence should realize that documenting a find site is as important as retreiving the finds. You don't just dig a hole and pick up the goods. You shave off the dirt in small increments (ca 4 inches at a time, less when you reach a layer with finds). You draw maps of each new layer you uncover. When a find is made, even if it's just a piece of broken pottery, you draw it onto the map and take a photograph of it where it lies, before removing it.

    After learning from Rashid in 1963 of the essence of some of the TJ's gravest heresies for Judaism and Christianity, both he and Rashid of course realized that if the scrolls were to be turned over to authorities, or even to scholars, it would never see the light of day. So the translation project proceeded in secret, with Rashid to retain possession of the scrolls and Meier to be the recipient of Rashid's German translation.

    As I have pointed out before, there are plenty of ancient manuscript finds with heretical contents which have not been suppressed. There are also quite a few non-religious scholars around who would be delighted to get their hands on an ancient document with anti-Christian or anti-Jewish content.
    If Meier and Rashid had any intention of making their find believable, there still remains no reason for why they did not photograph the scrolls.

    It should be mentioned that a part of Meier's philosophy borrows from that of his ET contactors: People should not be forced to believe what they cannot tolerate, or what they are not at all yet prepared to believe. (The UFO phenomenon has been proceeding under this same guideline.) Hence Semjase at times omitted material from Meier's Contact Reports that had occurred during their conversations, and it is possible that Meier is withholding information that would directly tend to validate the TJ's genuineness.

    So evidence exists but is being kept hidden? Meier wants to present the truth -- but not so that we are forced to believe it? He is deliberately making his case weaker so that there will be room for doubt?
    In other words, Meier does not want rational, scientifically trained people to believe his story. Evidently, he is promoting a cult.

    In Meier's Contact Reports, before 1977, Meier had referred to Rashid as "M. Rashid," to provide him with some anonymity (Rashid being a very common Palestinian name). This was to help protect him and his family from further persecution. Also, in the 1978 TJ he kept him anonymous in the Foreword, though not in the copy of Rashid's 1974 letter published in the rear of the TJ, which he may have attached only after learning of Rashid's assassination in 1976. He has since desired to keep the name of the village anonymous in which Rashid and relatives had lived in Palestine, to protect the latter from possible assassination, as it can be imagined that some of them may have been aware of Rashid's translation project.

    How convenient. Doesn't it strike you as odd that there are so many holes in this story, all of which are covered up with reference to mysterious conspiracies, convenient land slides, conveniently dead people, commands from space aliens and other circumstances which are obviously designed to put all possible evidence safely out of the reach of scholarly and scientific examination?

    From what has been learned, Rashid had been a lay priest in Greece some time before 1948, so I suspect he was never ordained. If Meier knows where he preached in Greece, he is not disclosing that, either, for the same reason, since Rashid's mother and some of her relatives may have lived in that place, and may have been informed of the TJ.

    There is no such thing in Greek Orthodoxy as "lay priests". Laymen who preach might exist, but would need a special permission from the bishop, which means there must be records.

    The answer to all these questions is simple and obvious. The cave, Rashid and the scrolls never existed.
    This conclusion can come only if one's mind is already made up.

    My mind is made up because I have examined Deardorff's evidence and found it to be utter balderdash. All he has managed to do is to systematically present weak excuses for why every piece of real evidence for the TJ is unavailable. In contrast to him, I am using a scientific method which involves asking for evidence. For the TJ, there is NONE.
    After this, Deardorff again writes bout the alleged superior credibility of TJ in comparison with the NT. As before, his evidence is in two parts: Exegetical criticism against the gospel of Matthew, and attempts to prove from the TJ text itself that it is "superior". Both notions have been debunked elsewhere on this site, and there is nothing new in Deardorff's material.

    Further on in Deardorff's text it becomes evident that he believes in other hoaxes, too. Even such which have been examined by scholars and revealed as fakes with no trace of a doubt. I guess that should not come as a surprise.

    Billy Meier, The Talmud of Jmmanuel
    Reviewed by Robert M. Price

    Delving with the Devil

    This awful book fully merits the epithets used by Edgar J. Goodspeed (in his great book Famous Biblical Hoaxes) for another modern apocryphon, The Archko Volume, namely “disgusting and ridiculous.” Indeed, it takes the prize. There is the usual pack of lies about an underlying Aramaic document being discovered in 1963, imbedded, somehow, in resin since the first century when Jesus’ loyal disciple, a guy named Judas Iscariot, wrote it down. Seems that an improbably named Greek Orthodox priest bearing the moniker “Isa [= Jesus!] Rashid” discovered Jesus’ burial cave, and Eduard Albert “Billy” Meier spelunked further, finding the present gospel. What we are reading represents, we are told with forked tongue in cheek, only the first quarter of the very long text, the rest being destroyed, or so Father Rachid figured, by Israeli troops who were violently pursuing him. (You will recognize the implicit element of uncertainty as a rat-hole through which Billy Meier may eventually squeeze the rest of the text if this portion sells well enough. At least if he can come up with that much baloney.)
    Meier anticipates that the orthodox and the obscurantists will alike denounce his discovery as a hoax (p. xv). Well, let me tell you, you don’t have to be particularly orthodox to denounce this thing as what we theologians like to call Bullgeschichte.

    What does the title mean? “Talmud” is just a Hebrew word referring to a deposit of learning. We are more familiar with its use referring to the massive collection of Rabbinical law, lore, and commentary, the Talmud of Jerusalem and the Talmud of Babylon. So here it just denotes “the teaching of Jmmanuel.” Of whom? Have you ever noticed something strange in Matthew’s Nativity story in which Matthew says Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled by the advent of baby Jesus, and that though Isaiah says the child will be called “Emmanuel,” in Matthew’s story Jesus is called, well, “Jesus.” That is pretty odd. I’ve never heard a good explanation. But Meier tries to harmonize the two names, producing the weird hybrid “Jmmanuel.” (Why do I keep thinking of pancakes?) Meier says “Jmmanuel” means “man of godly wisdom,” but any Bible reader knows it does not. It means “God with us.” At least “Emmanuel” does, but then I guess if you’re making up a name, you can say it means whatever the hell you want. (For the record, Epiphanius of Salamis did the same thing back in the fourth century, pretending that one spells “Essenes” with a J, too: “Jessenes,” so he could connect Jesus with them.)

    Another improbability about the frame story: how, pray tell, did the mythical Father Rachid “discover” the cave-tomb of Jesus since the book tells us Jesus was buried in the now-notorious tomb in Srinagar, Kashmir? This old structure has been promoted since the nineteenth century as Jesus’ tomb by the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. Orthodox Muslims believe Jesus was raptured to heaven before the crucifixion, with someone else put to death in Jesus’ place. But the Ahmadiyya believe he was crucified and survived, then left the Holy Land to preach for decades longer, eventually winding up in Kashmir, where he died at a ripe, old age (110 or 120, Jmmanuel says). This site, though fraudulent, is well known. What was there for Rachid to discover?
    And did I really say the book is supposed to be the work of Judas Iscariot? The disciple who betrayed Jesus? No, dear reader, as we soon find out, it was not Judas Iscariot who turned Jesus over to the G-men, but rather the similarly named “Juda Ihariot”! You see, it’s pretty easy to mix up a couple of guys with names that close. This is just unintentionally hilarious!

    Jesus as Ventriloquist Dummy

    The Talmud of Jmmanuel is structurally just the same as other long-winded gospels like The Aquarian Gospel. It builds on a harmony of the four canonical gospels, picking and choosing favorite episodes and elements from them, then adding new bits of its own. The result is a glaring unevenness if quality. Grant me a seeming digression. Scholars have noted a pattern in ancient apocalypses, in which some ancient worthy is depicted as predicting the history of his people from ancient times down to the end of the age. The “predictions” match up with known historical events very well indeed till right near the end, at which point the train leaps from the tracks and careens wildly into the ditch. What happened? Well, of course, the actual author of the document lived at a historical position very close to the end-time his book anticipates. The preceding history matches up because the author knows it as history. He is only pretending to be the ancient character whose name he borrows (Daniel, Enoch, Baruch, whomever). So he has perfect 20-20 hindsight, but when he starts venturing real predictions, it is clear blue sky, and he plummets like Icarus. Well, it’s the same with these gospels: as long as they stay close to their source material, they sound pretty authentic, even if their authors do a bit of embellishing. But as soon as they kick away the training wheels, as soon as they stop using the tracing paper, the result is awful. And it is in the new material, obviously, that we have to look to find the main reason for writing the new gospel. What is the new teaching that this gospel wants to ascribe to its Jesus?

    First, I think it is pathetic that people resort to such a gimmick. It plainly means the writer knows his ideas would carry no particular conviction if set forth under his own, utterly insignificant name, so maybe hanging them on Jesus will lend the ideas a degree of gravity they would otherwise lack. But he fails to see that the only reason we take seriously the words attributed to Jesus in the traditional Gospels is that they carry their own weight. By far the most of it has the ring of truth to it, whoever said it. In fact, that’s how some of it came to be in the gospel in the first place! Someone heard some good saying and said, “Wow! That’s good stuff! Worthy of Jesus!” as when we say, “It ain’t in the Bible but it ought to be!” Believe me, no one is going to find himself saying that of the soporific gibberish (and worse) in this book, which “Billy” dares to equate with the real, true, original teaching of Jesus before the fiendish churchmen, beginning with the nefarious fisherman himself, distorted the living daylights out of it.

    The teaching here is warmed-over Theosophy, but very poorly expressed. We learn that there is a “god” who rules the earth but is essentially a long-lived mortal much like ourselves (16:55-56; 28:59). Above him is the “supreme” entity, called “Creation” (16:52) which sounds something like unchanging Brahman (18:44). But then we are told that it, too, is incomplete and changing (18:43; 21:28) and defers to a still superior being (25:56). It is one without division (21:27), and yet it possesses parts (34:39). But while Billy/Jmmanuel is calling it infinite, he says we are part of it, so that what is true of it is ipso facto true of us, too. And if we tap into that fact by enlightened knowledge, we can do pretty much anything (16:44). That is a prime case of the Division Fallacy in logic: what is true of an entity as a whole is not necessary true in the same way of its parts. I may understand the Theory of General Relativity, but it does not follow from this that my little finger understands Relativity. Anyway, when Peter succeeded momentarily in walking on water it was because he had a fleeting grasp of this “knowledge” and was able to suspend/defy gravity. But what sort of “knowledge” is it that refuses to reckon with elementary physics? It is substituting fantasy and wishful thinking for knowledge. This is all the more ironic since Jmmanuel is always talking about the “laws” of the Creation, which, I guess, do not happen to include gravity!

    So what are we supposed to be doing about it? Well, it is our mission to realize our potential by efforts at self-perfection over the course of many lifetimes. Even Creation (a him? Her? It?) experiences a kind of reincarnation, a series of eons-long periods of dormancy alternating with equal periods of life and activity (34:27-34), all the coin of Theosophy, borrowed from Hinduism. As Pogo once said about nuclear energy, “It ain’t so new, and it ain’t so clear.”


    I’ve borrowed Goodspeed’s put-down of another modern gospel, calling this one “disgusting and ridiculous.” Let’s look first at the “ridiculous” part, because we may be quite out of patience or of any residual sympathy if we look at the “disgusting” aspect first. What’s most ridiculous about The Talmud of Jmmanuel is its espousal of Flying Saucer religion. To get things straight here: I consider it plausible that extra-terrestrials have visited the earth. But the possibility, even the plausibility, of it does not entitle us forthwith to believe it is true. There does not yet appear to be compelling evidence for contact with Flying Saucers. But there sure is plenty of evidence that people who claim to be in regular contact with space men are a bunch of delusional nuts. Nor is it their belief in extra-terrestrial visitors what makes them nuts. No, no, there’s way more than that. Some of these people make wild and extravagant claims that can only proceed from their imagination, at least because they sound like very bad science fiction. And all of this stuff does, from the Black Muslim “Mother Plane” orbiting the earth with Elijah Muhammad in the captain’s chair (so help me, I wish I were making this up), to the Raelian belief that aliens mutated apes to produce the first humans, to Heaven’s Gate lemmings believing a spaceship hidden in a comet’s tail was telling them to castrate themselves, to the Aetherius Society, to Unaria, etc.

    Well, “Billy” Meier belongs in the same ranks. That’s for damn sure. Nursing classic delusions of grandeur, including the persecution complex, Billy predicts his own eventual assassination: “the editor is even more endangered because he is the contact man for extraterrestrial intelligences and very highly developed spiritual entities on exalted planes who transmit to him true spiritual teachings that he disseminates without modification, thereby exposing the lies of the cult religions, which will lead to their slow but certain eradication” (p. xix). The “cult religions” are the major faiths. If this isn’t classic Freudian “projection,” I don’t know what is. Personally, I don’t think the Islamo-fascist mullahs are going to be wasting a fatwah on this guy any time soon, much less the Catholic Church.

    Not surprisingly, The Talmud of Jmmanuel embodies UFO theology. Its Jesus (“Jmmanuel”) is the result of Mary’s impregnation by the angel Gabriel who is an alien arriving in a space ship for their date. Jesus is eventually taken aboard the same craft, much like Brian of Nazareth in the Monty Python movie. When he “ascends” he is stepping aboard the spacecraft, though only for a couple of stops down the line, getting off in Damascus. Why bother with Spielbergianism? Simply because Bill wants to combine the usual props of UFO-Jesus-ism (beam-up ascension) with the Asian travels/Srinagar tomb scenario. He likes ‘em both.

    All science fiction reinterpretation of Christianity, the stock in trade of Flying Saucer religions, entails a dusting off of old eighteenth-century Rationalism: what looked like miracles to the ancients must have been advanced technology, at least as we, their far-superior pseudo-intellectual descendents, imagine it. Such science fiction, too, becomes dated and laughable after a while. And thus UFO theology starts looking even more ridiculous than the supernaturalism it hopes to replace. In this case, the resurrection of Jesus is treated with a technique borrowed from old-time Rationalism rather than its twentieth-century sci-fi counterpart, though. Jesus does not die on the cross, but is taken down in a coma, then placed in Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, where he is given medical care and recovers. Usually the eighteenth-century Rationalists had Joseph call upon the Essenes to nurse Jesus back to health, but for some reason they are not good enough this time around. The “risen” Jesus actually meets some Essenes later in the story, and they invite him to join their group, but he refuses. (Why does Billy not allow them a more positive role? You’ll see in the next section: the trouble is that they’re Jews.)

    Joseph even somehow contacts Jesus’ colleagues in India and summons them to come and treat him! Would there really have been time for this? I guess Gabriel could have picked them up in his space ship and rushed them into the OR, but then we’d have to wonder why the aliens didn’t just revivify Jmmanuel like Gort did Klaatu in The Day the Earth Stood Still. Well, anyway, Joseph gets away with the scheme, despite Jewish and Roman guards at the tomb because he had taken the precaution of designing his tomb with a hidden back entrance! Why? How could he have known this day would come? It’s all just so stupid.

    Plus, The Talmud of Jmmanuel has its own theory to offer for the Shroud of Turin. It is a shroud on which Joseph of Arimathea had a likeness of Jesus’ bloody body painted! But this nonsense clashes with the Carbon 14 dating test of the Shroud just as much as the Catholic belief in its genuineness: it goes back no earlier than the fourteenth century.
    By the way, the book includes a pen sketch of Jmmanuel that is supposed to be based on an ancient portrait rendered by “Semjase, the pilot of a beamship, whose home planet, Erra in the Pleiades, is about 500 light years from our solar system” (p. viii). Actually, it appears to be based on an ancient Chinese Manichean painting of Jesus, an artist’s conception. “Semjase” is the name of the leader of the fallen angels in the apocryphal Book of Jubilees.

    The Disgusting

    The Talmud of Jmmanuel is blood-curdlingly anti-Semitic. Its appropriation of the familiar Jewish title Talmud is offensive, but that is the least of it. Here are a few choice passages:

    “Do not go into the streets of Israel, and do not go to the scribes and Pharisees, but go to the cities of the Samaritans and to the ignorant in all parts of the world. Go to the unenlightened, the idol worshippers and the ignorant after I have left you, because they do not belong to the house of Israel, which will bring death and bloodshed into the world.” (10:5-6)

    “Truly, I say to you: the nation of Israel was never one distinct people and has at all times lived with murder, robbery and fire. They have acquired this land through ruse and murder in abominable, predatory wars, slaughtering their best friends like wild animals. May the nation of Israel be cursed until the end of the world and never find its peace.” (10:26-27)

    “Therefore, beware of Israel, because it is like an abscess.” (10:38)

    “For the people of Israel are unfaithful to the laws of Creation and are accursed and will never find peace. Their blood will be shed, because they constantly commit outrages against the laws of Creation. They presume themselves above all the human races as a chosen nation and thus as a separate race. What an evil error and what evil presumption, for inasmuch as Israel never was a nation or a race, so it was never a chosen race. Unfaithful to the laws of Creation, Israel is a mass of people with an inglorious past, characterized by murder and arson.” (15:22-26)

    “You will be outcast among the human races, and then you will alternately lose your occupied land, regain it and lose it again until the distant future. Truly, I say to you: your existence will be continual struggle and war, and so the human races will strike you with their hostile thinking and enmity. You will find neither rest nor peace in the country stolen by your ancestors by means of falsehood and deceit, because you will be haunted by your inherited burden of murder with which your forefathers killed the ancient inhabitants of this continent and deprived them of life and property.” (24:45-47)

    “… just like the Israelites who plundered this land and have dominated and oppressed the legitimate owners of the land.” (27:12b)

    “I am the true prophet of all human races on earth: but in all truth I am not the prophet of those confused Israelites who call themselves sons and daughters of Zion.” (30:8b)

    “And the time will come in five times 100 years when you will have to atone for this, when the legitimate owners of the land enslaved by you will begin to rise against you into the distant future. A new man will rise up in this land as a prophet and will rightfully condemn and persecute you and you will have to pay with your blood. […] Even though, according to your claim, he will be a false prophet and you will revile him, he will nevertheless be a true prophet, and he will have great power, and he will have your race persecuted throughout all time in the future. His name will be Mohammed, and his name will bring horror, misery and death to your kind, which you deserve. Truly, truly, I say to you: His name will be written for you with blood, and his hatred against your kind will be endless.” (30:10-11, 13-15)

    What is this? Propaganda for Hamas? Okay, it’s not as bad as the abhorred Theozoologie of the mad monk Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, but it’s still pretty revolting if you ask me. It appears to be Jew-hating, pro-Palestinian propaganda. What we have here is like the Gentile Jesus of the Third Reich theologians.

    Random Observations

    It seems anticlimactic to scrutinize this miserable travesty further. But it may be worth it after all, in case anything else is needful to discourage any adolescents who may still be interested in it. There are historical errors that would just not b possible in a writing from someone who lived in the period. Jesus is said to be born in the reign of Herod Antipas (2:1). Actually it was Herod the Great. Talmud Jmmanuel 16:9 repeats Mark’s mistake (Mark 6:17), confusing Herod Antipas’ brothers Philip and Herod. (That was an easy mistake to make, even for a contemporary, as Herod Antipas actually had brothers named Herod Philip and just plain Philip). Obviously Jmmanuel is dependent on the canon, hence by no means an ancient document.

    Humble fellow that he is, Billy the Evangelist has Jesus predict him: “Not until two thousand years will an insignificant man come who will recognize my teaching as truth and spread it with great courage” (14:18). See also 15:75-81. But Jesus seems to underestimate just how insignificant the man will prove to be.
    Jesus’ audience in the Nazareth synagogue asks, “Is he not the son of the carpenter, Joseph, whose wife became pregnant by the son of a guardian angel?” “From where does he get all this wisdom and the power for his mighty works?” (15:18, 72). Oh, I don’t know… could it have anything to do with his being the son of an angel?!

    “A prophet is never esteemed less than in his own country and in his own house, which will prove true for all the future, as long as humanity has little knowledge and is enslaved by the false teachings of the scribes and the distorters of true scripture” (15:74). This nonsensical inflation of Mark 6:4 sounds like the rambling, bogus Ezekiel quote Samuel L. Jackson repeats again and again in Pulp Fiction!

    We get a bit of invented soap opera in chapter 16, where it develops that Salome, dancing daughter of Herodias, was in love with the imprisoned John the Baptist and wistfully smooched his severed head.

    Corrections of Canonical Gospel Teachings

    The New Testament gospels set the ethical bar pretty high. From any standopoint, that’s a good thing: set them lower and you are too easy on yourself. If your reach not only does not exceed your grasp, but does not even extend that far, you are just a lazy slob. But The Talmud of Jmmanuel doesn’t mind taking Christian morality down a peg.
    “Give to them who ask of you, if they make their requests in honesty, and turn away from them who want to borrow from you in a deceitful way” (5:42). In accord with the Rabbis, Jesus seems uncritical in his counsel to give to any beggar. The Rabbis were fully aware that there were cheats. In one of their tales, a man passes a hovel of beggars and overhears them deliberating on whether to fest that night on gold or silver dishes! But the sages said that didn’t matter: you could never be sure if someone’s professed need were real. It was up to you to be generous, period. Any other strategy would freeze out the genuine poor for the sake of stopping the cheats. But Jmmanuel seems to think you can tell the sincere sheep from the grafter goats. Good luck.

    Everybody recognizes that, if it comes right down to it, it is noble to give your life for your country and what it stands for. Religious martyrdom is the same, as long as one does not seek it out as some kind of fanatic. In the last analysis, you have to preserve your integrity at whatever price. But not according to this gospel:

    “Flee from the unbelieving, because you should not lose your life for the sake of truth and knowledge. No law requires that of you, nor is there one that admits to such recklessness” (10:21).

    “No Sabbath is holy and no law dictates that on the sabbath no work may be done” (13:10)—or at least no law that an anti-Semite would take seriously, I guess.

    “You are Peter, and I cannot build my teachings on your rock… I cannot give you the key of the spiritual kingdom, otherwise you would open false locks [=?] and wrong portals with it” (18:23-24). Take that, Papists!

    Jmmanuel saith: “Do not suppose that prayer is necessary, because you will also receive without prayer if your spirit is trained through wisdom” (21:15). And yet Jmmanuel prescribes a prayer:

    “My spirit, you are omnipotent.
    Your name be holy.
    Let your kingdom incarnate itself in me.
    Let your power unfold itself within me, on Earth and in the heavens.
    Give me today my daily bread, so that I may recognize my guilt and the truth.
    And lead me not into temptation and confusion, but deliver me from error.
    For yours is the kingdom within me and the power and the knowledge forever. Amen” (6:12-18)

    But what’s the difference, I guess, since you’d be praying to your own self?

    At first, one might be tempted to think this Talamud of Jmmanuel is a progressive, with-it kind of gospel for the new age: “Do away with the enforcement of the old law that woman should be subject to man, since she is a person like a man, with equal rights and obligations” (12:25). But, Liberals, you may want to shield your eyes from this one. It looks like grief for Gays, though leniency for Lesbians: “And if two men bed down with each other, they should also be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws and behave heretically; thus they should be castrated, expelled and banished before the people. If, however, two women bed down with one another, they should not be punished, because they do not violate life and its laws, since they are not inseminating, but are bearing” (12:6-7). How’s that again?
    The Talmud of Jmmanuel, alas, seems to have plenty of fans. It deserves none. But then, on the other hand, maybe people get the gospel they deserve. Maybe there are some devout UFO skinheads who are ecumenical haters of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. This gospel is just right for them. But even so, a visit to a psychiatrist might be better.
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  9. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member

    Your Raison D'Etre - You Belong to the World and are here to Create a New One

    four things you should know about your calling
    Justine Musk
    Because You're a Creative Badass


    If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you; if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.
    — Gnostic Gospel of Thomas

    What you fear is an indication of what you seek. — Thomas Merton

    1. You don’t get to choose your calling.

    I guess that’s why it’s called “a calling”. We can’t choose what calls us; we can only listen close – and have the courage to accept what it tells us.
    Callings can be so damn inconvenient.
    They usually arrive as some form of pain.
    They’re an itch, a yearning, a slow deadening of the soul, a restless knowledge that you are meant for something else, if you can only figure out what it is.
    The body knows. Finding your calling can be like that child’s game of hot and cold. When you’re moving away from your calling, the body treats that as – cold! — nothing less than self-betrayal. What you fail to bring forth can destroy you. The body finds some way to break down. You get sick. You get depressed. You get sick and depressed.
    As you move toward your calling – hot! — you get glimmers of something else entirely. A sense of flow and absorption. A flash of joy. A growing excitement.
    My sister once came to a major life crossroads: renew her contract with her current employer or strike out into the unknown territory of new opportunities — and a stretch of unemployment.
    She chose to renew her contract because she thought it was the “responsible” thing to do.
    The morning after she made that decision, she literally could not get out of bed.
    She stayed in bed for four days.
    She took that as a sign to reverse her decision.
    She’s much happier now. (And on a different career track in a different city.)

    2. You can only live out your own calling.

    Your calling stems from your soulprint: like a fingerprint, it is intricate and complex and unique to you. You’re born with it inside you. No one else can give it to you, although some might try — starting with your parents.
    Jung once said: The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of the parents.
    As we grow up, we learn how to please, and we assemble our ‘false self’ accordingly: that collection of ideas and notions and ‘shoulds’: what we should be and how we should act and the goals we should pursue in the world.
    To get at the truth of your calling, you have to crack open that false self and see what lies within.
    You have to recognize the aspects of your life that don’t rightly belong to you, and as a result are weighing you down. You have to take that alien weight and give it back to its proper owner:
    This is yours. I am done with it. I refuse to carry it any longer.

    3. Your gifts point the way to your calling.

    The problem with your gifts is that they generally need to be recognized as gifts by somebody other than you, usually as early as your childhood. Someone else needs to recognize what comes so easily to you that you will grow up taking it completely for granted, thinking that everybody else can do that. Guess what? They can’t.
    I remember online biz wunderkind Laura Roeder talking about how she’d taken an online strengths test that identified her primary strength as ‘focus’.
    “At first I thought that was really stupid,” she said (I am paraphrasing here). “I thought, everybody can do that. What’s so special about that?”
    (Listening to her, I remember feeling envy, because ‘focus’ is not one of my strengths. If anything, I’ve been able to decipher my calling because of how certain activities call forth a focus so intense and consuming I lose time. But in the rest of my life, I have ADD. Literally. I take medication for it.)
    When those gifts are mirrored back to you, you can identify them — and develop them. You can put yourself on the road to mastery. You can own your gifts. You can own the crap out of them.
    You can commit yourself full-out. You can unify your life around the practice of your talent and see what kind of greatness becomes possible for you.
    But you have to have faith in your gift.
    As Stephen Cope points out in his wonderful bookTHE GREAT WORK OF YOUR LIFE: your gift – which he refers to as The Gift – is indestructible. It’s permanent. It doesn’t disappear because you neglected it for forty years — which means it’s never too late to circle back to what you might have missed before. It lives near the center of you.
    But your faith in your gift (The Gift) is something else entirely. Your faith can be tender and fragile and susceptible to doubt.
    Doubt, by the way – and a flashbulb popped off in my head when I learned this – means, at least in terms of your calling, being stuck. It’s “a thought that touches both sides of a dilemma at the same time.”
    It paralyzes you.
    It splits you down the middle and pins you to the floor, unable to take action. Some of us stay there so long, and get so comfortable, that we no longer realize we’re in doubt at all: we think that life is supposed to feel like this.

    4. Your calling is where your gift intersects with the times.

    Our calling is where The Gift that’s inside us from birth connects with The World we’re born into. It’s our responsibility to develop The Gift in the way it’s called forth — to serve The World. Not just ourselves. The freaking world.
    “The Gift”, writes Cope, taking these ideas from the Bhagavad Gita, “cannot reach maturity until it is used in the service of a greater good. In order to ignite the full ardency of [your calling], The Gift must be put in the service of The Times.”
    (You could think of The Gift as your ultimate value proposition, your unique point of awesomeness, the ability that meets a need in a way that sets you apart.)
    Here’s the thing:
    Your life belongs to the world.
    And although the creative process of whatever it is that you do, belongs to you, the final outcome – the fruit of that labor – is not yours. It is beyond you. It belongs to the world.
    You let go and let be.
    (Which gives you greater peace of mind, by the way, which allows you to engage more fully with your process, which puts you in deeper practice, which makes you greater at what you do.)
    Otherwise you live a life trapped in self. You take your self as your mission in life, and this causes suffering – because it isolates you, because the self isn’t big enough for your real yearnings and abilities, because, as Martin Seligman put it, “the self is a poor site for meaning.”
    Cope writes:
    “If you don’t find your work in the world and throw yourself wholeheartedly into it, you will inevitably make yourself your work….You will, in the very best case, dedicate your life to the perfection of your self. To the perfection of your health, intelligence, beauty, home, or even spiritual prowess. And the problem is simply this: This self-dedication is too small a work. It inevitably becomes a prison.”
    Your self can never be enough. Perfection eludes you. You must deal with your aging body, your aging mind, your fading beauty. Even your children will grow up and leave you.
    So you look to the world.
    When you understand that you are the world – when you see the world as your self, and your self as the world – “ you can care for all things.” You live beyond yourself – which also means you can live with purpose, awe and meaning.
    You play your essential part in a much bigger picture. You know how and where you belong.
    “Our actions in expression of [our calling] – my actions, your actions, everyone’s actions – are infinitely important. They connect us to the soul of the world. They create the world. Small as they may appear, they have the power to uphold the essential inner order of the world.”
    In other words, it isn’t selfish – or trivial – or a luxury – to pursue your calling, wherever it might lead you: it’s a sacred obligation. Because, in the end, it isn’t just for you. It’s how you will be of true service.
    When we’re fully engaged, when we’re expressing our gifts, when we’re living a deep sense of mission, when we’re contributing, when we’re being ourselves full-out and on purpose –
    That way lies happiness.
    What you bring forth can save you.
    And if it can save you, it can also save the world.

    If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you; if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.
    — Gnostic Gospel of Thomas

    Here’s the thing:

    Your life belongs to the world.
    What you bring forth can save you.

    And if it can save you, it can also save the world.

    Oct 5th, 2012

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    I so loved it…Almost brought tears to my eyes..Especially point number 4. Maybe I could associate with this post – because I am at a stage where I just found something in my life that is so liberating, so beautiful – I know I am here for this…
    I’ve also realized something else recently: if we try to find our calling or keep thinking – what is it? – we won’t get it or realize it. If we just pursue what gives us deep happiness and excitement instead – we’ll suddenly find ourselves living our calling..How interesting!
    Meghashyam Chirravoori

    Oct 5, 2012

    Ever since I got my full manuscript request, I’ve been dealing with the nagging itch that I’m wasting my time at university, and what I should be doing is writing. I’m sure you can probably relate.
    I’ve dealt with that itch before. This happens mostly around mid-terms and finals, which i something I’ve always found partially amusing, but this time it’s different. It’s reinforced by the weight of success.
    I just wanted to drop a line and say thank you for this.
    Oct 5, 2012

    Loved this post. <3 It inspired me to write a post about answering my ignored calling and how it's pushing me to do other things, like write my book. I've been struggling with figuring out my calling and coming to grips with the fact that it's not writing the great American novel like I thought it was, but it's loosely related to that.

    Oct 5, 2012

    Hi Justine,
    Have you talked about synchronicity before? Synchronicity helps with your #3. And I agree that #4 is important. You call it duty, while I think that it is something natural that follows when one integrates their personal mythology with their cultural mythology. Since I can’t find the email archive where I posted the following 11 years ago to give a link, I just dug up my writing. I hope you don’t mind the longish post from a couple of my lifetimes ago.
    Please allow me to expand further about ‘synchronicity’, however, and maybe I can illuminate the concept.
    The premise in my (and other authors) definition of this ‘synchronicity’ is that an objective value exists irrespective of whether it is acknowledged by the observer, but the meaning appears only when the observer is open to it. One could become mystical here, or not, but in my worldview, I often enjoy discovering meanings to events in my environment, because it gives me feedback or it makes my world richer. But is it my imagination or is it really true, you ask?
    If you view synchronicity as a meaningful coincidence between an external event and an internal readiness for being aware of that event, then synchronicity acts as a bridge to our unconscious mind or, at least, to the very edge of our conscious mind. Why is that?
    The unconscious holds a vast collection of events, hopes, memories, prejudices, values, unknown to the conscious mind. It’s hard work to peel back the layers of the onion, and see what is underneath. But if those unconscious elements are organizing themselves in various ways, then you can reach in and ‘touch’ it, and bring it to awareness. Synchronicity feels a little bit like a “jolt”, because you’ve touched that unconscious element via an occurrence in your external world.
    I think that, in order for synchronicity to work, it requires a deep trust that the messages from your unconscious mind are strong, authentic and move us in the direction of greater wisdom and compassion and wholeness. And it absolutely requires one to be extremely open and aware of our environment, so that we *know* instantly (call it ‘intuition’) that that event/occurrence has importance and we need to pay closer attention to it.
    So then how do we *know* ? That comes from exploring our inner mind/world- a place that I believe is just as vast as the outer world, and any number of self-knowing tools can be used. You can create your own self-knowing tools, or you can pick up and use someone else’s. I watch sometimes what the new agers are doing and using because they are very interested in discovering what is in their psyche, and they have some nifty methods, some of which I find very useful, even if I don’t buy into all of their premises. I like their positive attitudes too. When you explore your inner mind, many fuzzy elements travel to the edge of the awareness, and so then synchronicity brings it all of the way out.
    I believe that there is a deep wisdom in my environment, it only requires me to be aware of it, to look, to probe, to see, to understand. … the environment present around me is also a result of processes in the past, and there is a deep wisdom there, as well. … being in awe of all things *living*; … often the smallest, most inconsequential things in my environment seem to me to be the most profound: footsteps in sand, the smell of garlic and onion, hearing children laughing (or crying), and so on. I believe that the answers (to any questions that we have) are *in us* and *around us*. This is one place where cultural history and mythology can play an important role. Humans have experienced and worked out amazing things, and their intellectual and emotional paths are in front of us, if we *only pay attention*.
    (and sometimes the cause and effect is so deeply buried in the unconscious mind, that one can never learn the answer, but again.. is it really important?)
    Consider this. Let’s take the next step after synchronicity (destiny?) and take a look at our larger environment. Let’s assume that your life is proceeding on a path that seems “right” to you, the individual. Wouldn’t it be really cool too, if your particular path was also beneficial for the world? An alignment of personal and universal purposes, in my opinion is the next level of integration for someone. That is what being filled with the divine is about and I hope that many people here accomplish that. In my small mortal way, I’m trying and doing my best.
    Amara Graps

    Oct 5, 2012

    the blog software stripped out the ‘begin quote’ and ‘end quote’.. damn formatting. ‘Please allow…’ is where my old text begins.
    Amara Graps

    Oct 5, 2012

    Justine, I don’t think anybody has ever said this better. It lit up my soul this morning. (And I don’t care how cheesy that sounds.) I would just add that I think one element that is essential to practice in all of this is patience. Especially after you recognize your calling, you can feel a surge of hope and the expectation that you will make a big, meaningful impact in the world very soon through the application of your Gift. But, for many of us, it probably takes a long time before we are able to witness anything approaching the kind of grand visions we may be entertaining for our work. We have to trust that our smaller efforts, day by day, will eventually add up to the greater meaning that we can see, but that others likely cannot. For me, at least, that is where the self-doubt starts to show up.
    Luke Redd
    Oct 5, 2012

    I sent this off to all my coaching friends and all my friends who are in the ‘ I need to figure out my purpose boat’. You offer wonderful guidelines to feel into ‘your calling’. This is the first time I have ever read anyone explain in clear terms and with no uncertainty that we all have gifts that are ours alone and that we have a responsibility to the rest of the world to share them. I have been saying this for years but have never quite been able to express how to find the gift as clearly as you have. I am deeply grateful for what you have shared! I feel excited about life once more:)
    Fiona Havlish

    Oct 5, 2012

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  10. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member

    Jorgelito - Posted Oct 5th 2012

    RE: Calling


    Everything you say is on target. It takes my breath away.
    1. The body knows. When on track, I feel feelings unique to the path I take.
    They serve as a barometer. And yes seemingly unrelated events can serve in this way because everything we experience, our entire world is moving as one because it is one. My doctor says the hip bone is connected ti the elbow bone etc.

    2. Being true is mandatory for me. Otherwise I get lost in things I am not --- what I do, what I think, what I have, what others say, etc. When I get lost, it can take a long time to wake up again, I don't want to use my time sleeping. Life is wonderful when experienced awake!

    3. Many of the gifts are created by ourselves -- some of the most powerful, far reaching gifts I have received have nearly driven me to murder or suicide. Some gifts can be subtle. If I don't react or respond in some way to these gifts, they have a way of dissipating into thin air without a trace.

    4. Our life, what we create, what we experience, our intents, our history, our memories -- all these things are not owned by us. They are not owned by us because they are owned by no one. Just like us -- absolutely free in every regard.

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