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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 10th 2013

    Published on Oct 24, 2012
    Hesiod was a Boeotian farmer until the day he met the muses while he was tending sheep. The muses were the 9 daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne [Memory] who inspired poets, speakers, and artists. By convention, they were invoked at the beginning of an epic poem. The muses inspired Hesiod to write the 800-line epic poem called Works and Days. In it, Hesiod tells a Greek creation story that traces the lineage of mankind through 5 successive "ages" or "races" from the "Golden Age" to the present "Iron Age."

    methuselah1. methuselah2. methuselah3. methuselah4. methuselah5. methuselah6. methuselah7. methuselah8. methuselah9. methuselah10. methuselah11. methuselah12.

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    • Jorgelito - Posted Jan 11th 2013

      Wyzard - I can see you had quite a bit a of fun with this. Did Bob ever find his youth again? Perhaps the next installment. If there is one, I would most like to read it! This is a subject constantly on the mind of my brother-in-law -- a 24 year old trapped in a 84 year old body . . .


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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 12th 2013

    Jorgelito - Posted 42 Hours Ago

    Wyzard - I can see you had quite a bit a of fun with this. Did Bob ever find his youth again? Perhaps the next installment. If there is one, I would most like to read it! This is a subject constantly on the mind of my brother-in-law -- a 24 year old trapped in a 84 year old body . . .


    Indeed Jorgelito and your brother fits your description rather well.

    As said in this essay, written when I was 40 years old or 41; the midpoint age must be reached in the cycles of the 9 and the 7. So today I would more focus on age 45 as the turning point in 10x9=90; meaning your brother finds himself in the last of the 10 parts of the overall cycle.
    It is my opinion, somewhat educated in the decoding of the scrolls and where it is written, that the mortality will become transformed into a kind of immortality when the 'times are fulfilled'; that the manifestation of this 'resonance physics' cannot become happenstance in the older 3-dimensional space matrix, due to its natural lawfulness regarding this matter in the scientific histories and its archetypical construction.

    However since December 21st, 2012; this 3D space and 4D spacetime matrix have indeed 'grown' into a 4D space and a 5D spacetime and the gradual metamorphosis under the utility of the selfsame 'resonance physics' with the World Logos should have become a possibility.
    Then 2013 will be the first year of the 'reversal of the ageing process' for the ones able to resonate and knowing of this possibility, might be enough to trigger individualised Logos couplings for rejuvenation aspirants like your brother.
    Perhaps you should share this reply and the previous essay with him for his due consideration.


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    • Jorgelito - Posted Jan 12th 2013

      I will tell him there is hope!
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    Jorgelito - Posted Jan 12th 2013

    Do we change little by little or in jumps?


    Do you think the metamorphosis of consciousness is discrete & quantum like or continuous and gradual? Common sense says it is gradual over time, over experience, depending on alignment of soul and body and many intricate interwoven things.
    Something tells me it's more interesting than that.
    That it happens in jumps. Going from one energy level to another with nothing in between. Sometimes the jumps are small and the energy shifts are small of which we may not even be aware. But I don't think we are as constrained by DNA and the physical as we might think.
    Sometimes I think we do major jumps like becoming a different person in a very short time.
    "The born again" experience comes to mind. Awakening of the Kundalini is another. Another is the awakening to life of an alcoholic, one abused, or one without hope.
    One feels a sudden lightness where one was bound with weights before;
    one sees a lifetime of experience as one; and one knows a freedom of just being. And this happens all at once.

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    • Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 13th 2013

      Jorgelito - Posted 4 Hours Ago

      Do we change little by little or in jumps?


      Do you think the metamorphosis of consciousness is discrete & quantum like or continuous and gradual? Common sense says it is gradual over time, over experience, depending on alignment of soul and body and many intricate interwoven things.
      Something tells me it's more interesting than that.
      That it happens in jumps. Going from one energy level to another with nothing in between. Sometimes the jumps are small and the energy shifts are small of which we may not even be aware. But I don't think we are as constrained by DNA and the physical as we might think.
      Sometimes I think we do major jumps like becoming a different person in a very short time.
      "The born again" experience comes to mind. Awakening of the Kundalini is another. Another is the awakening to life of an alcoholic, one abused, or one without hope.
      One feels a sudden lightness where one was bound with weights before;
      one sees a lifetime of experience as one; and one knows a freedom of just being. And this happens all at once.

      Indeed Jorgelito. I may direct you to a scientific theory by Stephen Jay Gould, called 'Punctuated Equilibrium', to see thay your insights here are founded on stable premises.

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      SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Jan 15th 2013

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    [5/01/2013 6:44:32 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: do you have a list of all your bible codes
    [5/01/2013 6:44:38 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: like in the # of days etc.,
    [5/01/2013 6:44:46 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: or, do you want me to read thru it; and; make one ?

    Susan, I have recently completed the timeline until 2015, when it ends to be related to the bible codes.
    The millenial pic is below and as you can see the December 16th, 2013 date pops up as part of the overall scriptural convolutions and convergences.
    This is the rectangular box on the bottom and where the '120 day years' of the 'Age of Man' are extended to the 130 semi Tzolkin number.

    Matthew 24 - King James Version (KJV)

    1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
    48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
    49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
    51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    The entire context of this thread in on the Cosmology of Thuban Introduction thread.
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    The most relevant bible code for 2013 and especially the first 8 weeks from December 21st, 2012 to February 15th, 2013, is the Daniel code of the 70 weeks Susan. I have recently created the relevant charts and added them to the major thread, which is linked in this message in the above.
    It is like this Susan in a nutshell. The bible codes start at Genesis in the Old Testament and end with the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.
    December 21st, 2012 as a Mayan Ahau ends all time codes to chapter 15 in the Revelation, leaving however another 8 chapters to chapter 22 to complete following that date.
    The Major ending of chapters 15 and 16 occurs February 8th, 2013 with a divided 'last week' to February 15th, 2013. This then begins chapters 17 and 18 in executive function, after those two chapters were 'blueprinted' or templated in cosmic lawfulness in the month preceeding it and these are the New Moons of Isaiah and so relate to the lunar cycles and hence the Maya and similar celestial calendars. I am adding those two charts here and you will see the moons from late October 2012 (and Cyclone Sandy as a symbolic indicator) to late February 2013 on it.
    February 15th ends this 70 weeks prophecy in forwards mode, but then is imaged in backwards mode and encompassing our December 16th, 2013 date as part of the image timezone of the forward evolvement. As said, then aligns all calendrical systems in the 'Age of Man' stated like this as the words to Noah BEFORE the old archetypical and symbolic world was destroyed by the Flood.
    Genesis 6.1-9:

    King James Version (KJV)
    1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
    2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
    4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
    5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
    8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
    9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

    This 'Age of Man' refers so the a 10+7=17 day offset from the beginning of the 'Construction of the Ark of the Covenant' in which the remnant of Mankind is to be 'saved' and this aligns 16 December 2013 with December 26th, 2013 and as the 9th anniversary of the Aceh Tsunami of Boxing Day 2004, when over 167,000 people died on December 26th, 2004, which was the most devastating natural disaster in this timespan. The 17 days become the encoded and here deciphered TwinWoc as two weeks separated by 3 mirror days in 1+7+1+7+1=17, with WOC meaning 'Week Of Confusion', encoded as a 'Week of Astonishment' in the Ezekielian codes.
    In more detail, the first tzolkin from December 16th, 2013 to September 2nd, 2014 as the first 130+130=10+120+10+120=260 days so manifests your new world according to the recalibrations of the cycle- or degree years. This is a double 13 see, as Maya date: 13 Mol 13 Ahau or
    Observe then, how the April 25th, 2014 date of the bible prophecies aligns as the precise midpoint of the first tzolkin cycle of the new world between the two 13 Ahau dates in Maya date or 3 Uo 13 Oc. This is the calibration of the post December 21st, 2012 date with the completion timezone of the bible codes.


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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 21st 2013

    Shine Gaia Serpentina Shine and Share your Story of Becoming Mother of the Father Creator as his Creation

    The title of the video above and representative for Nabs disinformation and deception is very true, but the surrounding descriptions are disinformation to varying degrees and will cause many personal tragedies following and when the 'personal expectation' of this event, 'closing all cycles of cycles' do not become happenstance as imagined or imaged by the expecteurs and 'new world dreamers'.
    Anyone reading this post, shall become privy to what this 'Earth' becoming a Star shall entail.
    Many of the descriptions of the Nabs presenters above are true in an encompassing sense.
    The earth will become a star, but this star will become a dark star not shining in a light created by the nuclear physics within stellar evolution, but the New Earth aka Gaia Serpentina will Shine a Dark Light into the universe.

    This dark light is a data stream which has accumulated in the 4-dimensional equivalent of the entire planetary structure.
    In 3-dimensional space and so in 4-dimensional spacetime, the Earth has a mass of so 6 trillion trillion kg and a volume of a spheroid say 40,000 km in circumference with a radius of so 6,500 km.
    In 4-dimensional space and so in 5-dimensional spacetime, this mass remains at it is and so encompasses all lifeforms, structures, objects and the history of the consciousness evolution of this planet since its birth so 4.7 billion years ago.

    But the volume of this planet as a data processor will 'shrink' to the size of a golfball so 3 centimetres across. This is technically called a 'Planetary Black Hole' in 4D embedded in its 3-dimensional lower dimensional self-expression or manifestation. The so called 'energy belt' or photon belt as seen in the diagram below reprents the inversion age of planet Earth much older than its geophysical age of 4.7 billion years and coincides with the Birth of the Universe as a 'superorb' so 14.4 billion years before the cosmic orb astrophysically known as the planet earth was born as a densification of the stellar nebula as the precursor of the local star system.

    I shall detail this 'inversion earth' as old as the creation itself and in more technical nomenclature later on in this countdown message from the Creator Monad cosmically entwined with his creation monad as the Dyad of ALL Existence of the I Am That Am I. This message does however represent a kind of 'last chance' or opportunity for the 'would be first harvest' and pioneers of the 'New World' with its new jurisdiction of the 'Old Universe' redefined and recreated. No more 'warnings' or decoding semantics of the encrypted prophetic timelines and codes shall be given, as the birthing process will engage the executive function from its legislative mode.

    gb250. world-torus_1_.

    There are a multitude of videos and websites published, which tell of a similar story line as of what this 2012 ascension date is all about.
    All of them have tuned into a real and very natural 'closing of an old time' and the 'beginning of a new time' in a particular context of continuity and contingency engaging many so called 'Et and ascension scenarios'.
    About 52,000 years ago, the mental evolution of a particular cosmic species, namely that of the Homo Sapiens or 'Wisdom Keepers' began.
    This mental evolution followed a very long timeline of evolving a suitable bodyform or morphology for this 'destined wisdom keeper genus' embedded in a subspace of the cosmic superspace and which began at the halfway nexus timemarker so 2,200 million years ago on the planet then known by the universal sentiences as Gaea, the focus of the Cosmic Mother of Baab for the Cosmic Father Abba.
    Baab is the 'Gate' or 'Bridge' for the superuniverse to share information and intercourses of divers kinds with the fractal subuniverse.

    But this is an interwoven and engaging story and shall be shared here on this forum for the one and only physicalizable reality as authorized by the Laws of Nature and the creator-creation monad and under the auspices and jurisprudence of the World Logos aka the 'Word of GodDog or AbbaBaab' themselves.
    So anyone reading this data transmission and finding it relevant to hisher own idea of what this is all about, is free to share and copy this information as shehe finds appropriate.
    There will be no copyright or restrictions, because any attempt to 'edit' or 'change this information' in self-relativity will encounter the Natural Cosmic Lawfulness of this data and from December 21st, 2012 at 11:53UCT; the legislative validity of this information will become subject to the executive function of the supercosmos and the jurisprudence of the creators, authors, producers and directors of this data stream code named the 'Freedom of Thuban' banning the falseness of old mistranslations of proper natural lawfulness enforcable by and in the definitions of the Laws of the Cosmic Nature.

    Addendum about Starplanet Gaia Serpentina
    [2:21:58 PM- Tuesday, January 22nd, 2013 -+11UCT]
    *** julissa279p sent 2012-06-26_14-19-26_390.jpg ***​

    [2:22:06 PM] julissa279p: Tony did i ever show you this picture?
    [2:23:17 PM] Wyzard97: No
    [2:23:35 PM] Wyzard97: Did you draw this?
    [2:23:36 PM] julissa279p: hmm
    [2:23:41 PM] julissa279p:I jut found it in my phone
    [2:23:43 PM] julissa279p: no
    [2:23:45 PM] julissa279p: Daniel did
    [2:23:51 PM] Wyzard97: Oh I see
    [2:23:58 PM] julissa279p: from a dream he had
    [2:24:09 PM] julissa279p: i asked him to draw what he saw
    [2:24:13 PM] Wyzard97: It is the vesica of course as the vagina and it has a moebius strip besides it
    [2:24:34 PM] Wyzard97: It is a merkabah as related to the starships
    [2:24:48 PM] Wyzard97: its engine or 'warpdrive' is associated
    [2:25:17 PM] Wyzard97: Looks like a diamond shape
    [2:25:22 PM] julissa279p: that black circle on the right is supposed to be the Sun i think
    [2:25:33 PM] Wyzard97: which is rhombus geometry
    [2:25:46 PM] julissa279p: rhombus yes
    [2:26:04 PM] Wyzard97: Oh I just saw this, Daniel called it mothership?
    [2:26:12 PM] julissa279p: yes
    [2:26:14 PM] Wyzard97: Hmm potent then.
    [2:26:34 PM] julissa279p: cuz where he wrote millions....he saw many tiny little ships on there
    [2:26:36 PM] Wyzard97: I did not make the reading connect, but as soon as I saw it I kinda knew it was
    [2:26:40 PM] julissa279p: inside

    [2:26:52 PM] Wyzard97: Sun yes but the black star Gaia Serpentina
    [2:27:09 PM] Wyzard97: This is December 21st in a nutshell
    [2:27:29 PM] Wyzard97: Yes mothership he said
    [2:27:36 PM] Wyzard97: See the connect to you?
    [2:27:53 PM] Wyzard97: 21-12-12 is the end of your mission, when did he have this dream?
    [2:28:21 PM] julissa279p: dreamt it on 26 June 2012 same day he drew this
    [2:28:36 PM] Wyzard97: Ah yes, the date of the pic
    [2:28:41 PM] julissa279p: yes
    [2:29:02 PM] Wyzard97: This was 21 days after the Venus transit
    [2:29:14 PM] Wyzard97: Yes, I recall you mentioning this dream of Daniel's
    [2:30:01 PM] Wyzard97: 2 entrances see?
    [2:30:08 PM] julissa279p: yes 2 hmm
    [2:30:11 PM] Wyzard97: And the geometry is all in symmetry
    [2:30:23 PM] Wyzard97: These are the mirrors in the timeline, this symmetry
    [2:30:33 PM] Wyzard97: 2 Baabs'
    [2:30:44 PM] Wyzard97: 2 Gates
    [2:30:58 PM] Wyzard97: Bab=Gate in arabic and say the bahai faith
    [2:31:07 PM] julissa279p: except the yellow light i guess
    [2:31:28 PM] Wyzard97: The 'shiney thing'?
    [2:32:12 PM] julissa279p: hmm shinny thing seems to be pointing somewhere else tho
    [2:32:56 PM] Wyzard97: I am not sure, but the 'broken symmetry' to the yellow triangle is the dark sunlight flowing INTO the starship, see that?
    [2:33:07 PM] Wyzard97: This is simple data transfer
    [2:33:55 PM] Wyzard97: The dark light of the New starplanet shines into the universe and the ETs are getting this information from the Gaian history and are processing it to let the millions of ufos out
    [2:34:09 PM]Wyzard97: Very easy code this, Daniel did well
    [2:34:30 PM] Wyzard97: This is just what we 'proclaimed'
    [2:34:56 PM] Wyzard97: The yellow light then is the 'processor' being lit up by the Gaian data
    [2:35:21 PM] Wyzard97: Hmm I decoded this very well lol
    [2:35:28 PM] Wyzard97: I know this to be so
    [2:35:30 PM] Wyzard97: iow

    [2:35:48 PM] julissa279p: [2:32 PM] Wyzard97:
    <<< but the 'broken symmetry' to the yellow triangle is the dark sunlight flowing INTO the starship, see that?oh yes now i see

    [2:36:00 PM] Wyzard97: So this means that the ufos are being 'made' from the old earth data
    [2:36:07 PM] Wyzard97: Perhaps even technical stuff
    [2:36:25 PM] Wyzard97: Good Daniel did extra well putting in those details
    [2:36:54 PM] julissa279p: what do you mean with "technical stuff"?
    [2:37:00 PM] julissa279p: mechanical?
    [2:37:17 PM] Wyzard97: I mean how to ADAPT ET technology to human 3D old technologies
    [2:37:36 PM] Wyzard97: Yes so it looks like starships of the scifi etc
    [2:38:05 PM] Wyzard97: The fundamental technology in the universe is like virus geometry
    [2:38:20 PM] Wyzard97: This is why this looks like a rhombus diamond shape
    [2:38:41 PM] julissa279p: i never heard of virus geometry before
    [2:38:42 PM] Wyzard97: The entire universe is ONE starhuman merkabah body
    [2:39:00 PM] julissa279p: yes that concept i do know
    [2:39:07 PM] Wyzard97: Look at a aids virus it is a perfect icosahedron the Dan Winter stuff
    [2:39:16 PM] julissa279p: oh yes
    [2:39:33 PM] julissa279p: i remember he explained it in his video
    [2:39:38 PM] Wyzard97: There are the Platonic Solids in the viruses as the most elementary form of 'life' requiring a host
    [2:40:00 PM] julissa279p: oooh ...omg
    [2:40:02 PM] Wyzard97: After this the next step are microbes and bacteria all geometric too, but not as 'perfect' as the viruses
    [2:40:47 PM] Wyzard97: So the Virus is the basic building block for all life. All life evolved from that
    [2:41:15 PM] Wyzard97: The bacteria are prokaryotic meaning without nucleus
    [2:41:47 PM] julissa279p: all bacteria lack a nucleus?
    [2:41:51 PM] julissa279p: i didn't know that
    [2:42:00 PM] Wyzard97: They engage in endosymbiosis, where the bacteria ancestors 'eats' another bacteria and this eaten one becomes the nucleus in a blending, rather than a digestion
    [2:42:14 PM] julissa279p: aha i see
    [2:42:19 PM] Wyzard97: So are born the first multicellular organisms as eukaryotes'
    [2:43:05 PM] Wyzard97: Bacteria are different from more 'advanced' lifeforms because of having no nucleus yes
    [2:43:28 PM] Wyzard97: Endosymbiosis means 'cooperation'
    [2:43:41 PM] julissa279p: so in essence we are an evolved virus?
    [2:43:45 PM] Wyzard97: Like birds cleaning crocodile teeth without becomingh breakfast
    [2:43:50 PM] Wyzard97: YES
    [2:44:20 PM] Wyzard97: Why so called virus diseases are actually a key to immortality
    [2:44:27 PM] julissa279p: and the planets are our hosts
    [2:44:36 PM] Wyzard97: Well sort of
    [2:44:52 PM] Wyzard97: The planets are like 'viruses' in starsystems you could say
    [2:45:02 PM] julissa279p: so if we beat all viruses we can become immortal
    [2:45:27 PM] Wyzard97: The viruses would become the baseperfect genetic multipier and replicator
    [2:45:51 PM] Wyzard97: Now the trouble with ageing etc is the depletion of telomerase in cellular mitosis
    [2:46:52 PM] Wyzard97: So whenever a bodycell (somatic) divides in mitosis, it loses part of the telomeras and after dividing a few times it cannot divide anymore, because the telomerase 'antenna' or tail is too short
    [2:47:25 PM] Wyzard97: The neurons or braincells have no telomerase but dont divide as is believed
    [2:47:38 PM] Wyzard97: So this is why there are genetic diseases uncurable
    [2:47:52 PM] Wyzard97: But neurons are by nature immortal
    [2:48:25 PM] Wyzard97: The point is, that all cells are derivatives of totipotent stemcells
    [2:48:50 PM] Wyzard97: So the totipotents define the organs and bodyparts in the growing embryo
    [2:49:09 PM] Wyzard97: So put in totipotents into a body and anything can regrow
    [2:49:23 PM] Wyzard97: Genetic experiments relate to that
    [2:49:37 PM] Wyzard97: Totipotents are sexually defined
    [2:50:06 PM] Wyzard97: menstrual blood and placenta, umbilical cord blood and the semen and vaginal juices
    [2:50:13 PM] julissa279p: so there are female and males one who have sex with each other?
    [2:50:55 PM] Wyzard97: This I dont know if this is scientific nous atm
    [2:51:18 PM] Wyzard97: But yes the dna codons are actually polarised in male and female templates
    [2:51:49 PM] Wyzard97: So the new dna is polarised in matching templates of the 64-codex becoming multiplied by 4 to 256
    [2:52:00 PM] julissa279p: does celular memory get stored in this totipotents?
    [2:52:03 PM] Wyzard97: I have a pic of this, you want it?
    [2:52:13 PM] julissa279p: yes please
    [2:52:31 PM] Wyzard97: The totipotents are like babies, that grow into adults and then specialise
    [2:52:55 PM] julissa279p: [2:50 PM] Wyzard97:
    <<< menstrual blood and placenta, umbilical cord blood and the semen and vaginal juicesthese are the most potent in the body energywise

    [2:53:20 PM] julissa279p: they hold a lot of information
    [2:53:58 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 37.jpg 37.jpg 37.jpg *


    [2:54:44 PM] Wyzard97: This might be the wrong pic
    [2:56:15 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 5.jpg 5.jpg 5.jpg ***

    [2:56:23 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 32.jpg 32.jpg 32.jpg ***


    [2:57:09 PM] Wyzard97: 5 is the one I meant and 32 and 37 are details in an analysis of what this means but you see there the sex between the codons
    [2:57:55 PM] julissa279p: a Matrix within a Matrix...
    [2:58:07 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 2.jpg 2.jpg 2.jpg ***

    [2:58:14 PM] Wyzard97: 2 is the start of this
    [2:58:15 PM] julissa279p: Matriz in Spanish means...womb
    [2:58:25 PM] Wyzard97: You can understand this
    [2:58:40 PM] Wyzard97: Yes 64 in 256
    [2:58:51 PM] Wyzard97: 4x4x4 in 4x4x4x4
    [2:59:25 PM] Wyzard97: I am not clever enough to further this work I did in 2000 or so
    [2:59:43 PM] Wyzard97: But it is a description of the new genomatrix ok
    [3:00:16 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 1.jpg 1.jpg 1.jpg ***

    [3:00:27 PM] Wyzard97: Page 1 has the pic of the 4x4x4
    [3:01:42 PM] Wyzard97: The 12D triple helix is 23
    [3:02:00 PM] Wyzard97: All up there are 37 pages of this published on the forums
    [3:02:11 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 23.jpg 23.jpg 23.jpg ***


    [3:03:55 PM] Wyzard97: This polarisation of the 64 matrix is not known to the mainstream, but many would suspect something like this
    [3:04:19 PM] Wyzard97: But this answers your questions about totipotent sex
    [3:04:34 PM] Wyzard97: The genome is based on this and so is the New World
    [3:04:54 PM] Wyzard97: Why the polyness becomes data sharing in a galactic-cellular form
    [3:06:03 PM] Wyzard97: So all consentual sex becomes information processing by the new totipotents and as time goes on and the Gaian bubble reaches more and more starsystems the galactic modes will kick in as well
    [3:06:51 PM] Wyzard97: But I am reluctant to talk about this, as the timeframe is yet far too early for this information to be properly understood
    [3:07:53 PM] Wyzard97: But perhaps you can see just WHY the ETs are so interested in human sexuality as seen in the 'experiments' on abductees etc etc
    [3:08:25 PM] Wyzard97: It is their own sexuality and data processing, that depends on understanding the human to starhuman metamorphosis
    [3:09:16 PM] julissa279p: hmm
    [3:09:21 PM] julissa279p: thank you Tony
    [3:09:28 PM] julissa279p: i haveto go for now
    [3:09:37 PM] julissa279p: gotta wake up early tomorrow
    [3:09:48 PM] Wyzard97: No problem. Is it ok to publish Danny's pic on spruz?
    [3:09:57 PM] julissa279p: i hope i ca get online in the afternoon
    [3:10:01 PM] julissa279p: yes sure
    [3:10:31 PM] Wyzard97: Ok thanks I want it and part of this description as a Gaian addendum
    [3:10:59 PM] julissa279p: oh no that's fine
    [3:11:04 PM] Wyzard97: Merci

    [3:32:09 PM] Wyzard97:

    [3:32:38 PM] Wyzard97: I forgot to mention the circle with the 3 little circles in it and as the basis of Daniel's ufos.
    [3:34:42 PM] Wyzard97: This is the actual subatomic quantum geometry in the trisection of the 360 degrees into three 120 degree sectors described in QCD or Quantum-Chromo-Dynamics, the science of the colour charges of the quarks, with those colour charges becoming multidimensional 'magneto charges' in 8 gluon permutations. But we shall not get too technical here. But you can see that the minimum science of life in the viruses becomes even deeper in the minimum science of the quantum physics in the so called smallest constituents of matter in the colour charged quarks and those quarks are BOTH wave and particle as the minimum building block of all matter and mass - and also geometric like the viruses. This was a very insightful dream of Daniel's indeed in encapsulating and catching the true nature of life and the physical universe in its elementary cosmogenesis of the beginnings.

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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 23rd 2013

    From Susan Serafina's thread and forum here:

    You might be interested to know Susan, that the 3 Vayeb 13 Ahau = Maya date of 2013 is March 31st and this links to the bible codes as Easter Sunday, 2013.


    counter_l_5. counter_l_6. counter_l_1. counter_l_7. counter_l_0.


    When was the Mayan End Date Really?
    The story below was written in February 2010. In the book written between 2005 and 2009 I give the year 2013 as equally, if not likely much more significant than 2012 ( a chart for August 2013 was added in the article below back in 2010 to show how this would be a more likely year). Back then the new discovery I had made showed me a window of possible years which peaked in the most intense aspects in 2013 when Pluto would be still widely conjunct the Galactic Centre, Uranus squaring both and Neptune and Saturn were sextile, but only in 2013 would Jupiter come into alignmennt with both the Galactic Centre and the Earth strengthening also the other aspects.

    So I see and saw a window of a few years as significant for the disastrous period. Unfortunately, no one seems to have known exactly when the Mayan Prophecy would fulfil or when the 13th Baktun would end. Was it referring to a December 2011, as was earlier thought and originally latched onto by Graham Hancock? or more recently December 2012, which was popularized largely by John Major Jenkins as also Geoff Stray, because 21 December was thought to be 4 AHAU a significant date, mentioned for instance in the Book of Chilam Balam Prophecies. However it is also known by modern Mayan priests and scholars and explained by Wikipedia that the 13th Baktun should also align with the shorter katun end and Katuns also ran in groups of 13, so that the Baktun should end on a 13 Ahau date. It was largely because the End Date should be on a 13 Ahau that Carl Johan Callemann popularized an End of Creation on 28th October 2011, being another 13 Ahau date close to 2012.

    An arguement ensued between Jenkins and Calleman. However according to the research of a few scholars, lesser heard, such as Susan Lynne Schwenger, ( who being very much involved in native traditions seems to have calculated the Moon cycles and has been saying since 2010 that 16 December 2013 is the correct End Date). I also equally supposed that 2013 was a more likely year and December 2013 a more likely month in my book So, the End Date could be in December 2013, when a 13 AHAU date falls also in a December! It does not do that every year. In fact there are only two 13 Ahaus in 2013, one on March 31 2013, which may be significant but also amazingly the other one is on 16 December 2013 when the Sun will be very close to the Centre of the Galaxy.

    This is particularly interesting for me because the December Solstice date in 2012 did not fit to my findings based on the Indian Ocean Tsunami. For I began my studies after noting that the Full Moon on 26 December 2004 was opposite the Sun conjunct the Galactic Centre, and that such oppositions involving Sun, Moon and Galactic Centre had caused a number of the worst disasters in history. In fact based upon this I forecast a large earthquake on 21 December 2010 when the Full Moon (eclipsed) would be opposite the Sun. The evening before as the opposition began a large earthquake with some fatalities struck Iran and on the 21st the M 7.4 earthquake shook the Bonnin Isles by Japan. Afterwards the live seismic server showed the whole earth shaking strongly, and scientists noted the earth's core seemed to have shifted.

    The December 16 2013 is not only the 13 Ahau date when some say the last creation also ended and this creation must also end, it gives us exactly the same galactic conditions: the Full Moon is in opposition to the Galactic Centre and Sun on the 16th December. So here are two reasons in conjunctions to suggest this might be correct. The opposition of the Moon continues on the 17th. and on the 18th a powerful aspect to Pluto, ( a "bow and arrow" ) while Pluto is still conjunct the Galactic Centre, exists. This period brings the Sun also into EXACT conjunction with the Centre of our Milky Way Galaxy on the 18th, and the conjunction is also very close on the 16th, which the 26th December 2004 date and the 21st December 2012 date both were not.

    Certainly as we are patriarchal solar based beings, living according to a solar and not lunar calendar, the idea of the age ending exactly on the Winter Solstice was attractive, but the ancient Maya priests seem to have based their calculation on lunar and galactic considerations too. As the Maya are supposed to have based their forecast on the Sun conjuncting the Galactic Centre area, this also bears weight, for the conjunction with the Centre, or the black hole at Sag. A is closer on the 16th December, exact on the 18th, and already passed on the 21st, where one can only talk of a conjunction with the centre of the Galactic Plane which is a few degrees further on. Certainly, judging by the powerful aspects that will occur in 2013, especially from June and continuing then for the next months, peaking in July and August, but also stronger in December 2013, (when a Bow and T square both point at this area) than they were in 2012. So I would not be too hasty to say the Mayan Prophecy was wrong, for in 2013 great waves may still come!



    What will happen in 2012 and what might it have to do with the centre of our galaxy?
    Of course this is a long and long forgotten story. The now famous date December 21 2012 is the date that the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, used by the precolumbian Maya civilization, and known by them and by the Aztecs as the Fifth Sun, completes a "great cycle" of thirteen b'ak'tuns. This means that since the last creation date on August 11 3114. or in the Long Count calculation, the "clock hand" will have reached again for the first time, marking the completion of this cycle.
    Yet this period, lasting c. 5125 years, is just one last (fifth) part of an even longer cycle that turns out to be the same as the Great Year. Knowledge of the Great Year is found in other ancient astrological-astronomical records (i.e. in India) and so with further study the Mayan 2012 calendar end finds roots in other cultures too. With the ending of the last part of this age, the Mesoamerican cycle of five ages also completes. Herewith a large time period of five x 5,125 (c. 25,625 years) is also drawing to a close.
    There are, and have been, variations in calculating the Great Year, which is usually considered between 25 and 26,000 years long. In mathematical calculations, found also in sacred ancient texts, it is often rounded to 25,920 years. I tend to see it closer to 25,000 years.
    Wikipedia gives 25,765 years for one Great Year based on the present rate of a "precession," a motion caused by the Earth's wobbly orbit in relation to the zodiac constellation pictures around the ecliptic. These pictures seem to precess, move backward, over the spring equinox point by about 1° in c. 72 years, but as the speed of this precession varies, the exact length of the Great Year cannot be implied from the present motion.
    Yet why did the Maya end their calendar on the 21st December 2012? What is so special about this date? Moreover, does the completion of the cycle really suggest a massive disaster? If so why? What kind of disaster might occur and where will it strike? Will it be the "End of the World" or just the end of one "great age" and the start of a new one? Will we throw this calendar in the bin and forget it, or will humanity be thrown in the bin and forgotten?
    I have studied these questions intensively since discovering in February 2005 that the Tsunami on 26th December 2004 and the Mayan End Date on 21st December 2012 are connected to one and the same causal factor. In fact I go so far as to say that the causal factor discovered is the root of all that we experience as disaster on Earth, so in a sense the "root of all evil".

    The wreckage after the Tsunami 2004 in a village in Sumatra

    This long hidden factor was not only causal in the worst earthquakes in history but I can now add that it will be the reason for any increase in catastrophic changes connected to climate, to wars and to a variety of other ills, at the end of this Great Year cycle.
    Does anybody know what is coming and if so why dont they tell us?
    There are some who know or knew something about what is approaching. The reason we do not all know is that we have fallen from a once much more comprehensive understanding of the Great Year and of the factor ruling it. Now only a very few have inherited, or searched out, some remaining scraps of knowledge found far from the path of mainstream education.
    Certain members at least of the Roman Catholic Church are or were "in the know" and an education in ancient Greek and Latin texts certainly reveals much that is lost to us through translation.
    Pope Leo IX (Pope from 1513-1522) wrote in 1514 of what is coming: "I will not see the end of the world, nor will you my brethren, for its time is long in the future, 500 years hence." 500 years hence would be 2014, just two years after the Mayan Prophecy End Date, and as Leo was obviously rounding the date to a full sum, it is very possible he is even referring to the year 2012.
    This closeness between the earlier Mayan Priests knowledge of an "End date" and the knowledge of the "head priest" of the Roman Catholic Church can certainly be no coincidence? If they both refer to the same End, are we talking about more than the end of a calendar? Are they telling us about a complete destruction of planet Earth? If there was once knowledge of such significant events, as many prophecies suggest, who should keep it safe better than Rome's elite who conquered so much of the world and absorbed so many sacred texts, whose priests learned important works so perfectly that they were capable of rewriting them from memory if the library be destroyed. Even writings supposedly from and illustrated by Nostradamus, hidden for years in the Vatican library and recently made public, show knowledge of a cycle such as the Mayan Prophecy describes. The last word in his newly discovered book shows a white page as if all has been erased, erased for a new beginning?

    Also the last Pope, John Paul, knew about and obviously believed a prediction of some coming future disaster. So why didnt he and the Church share that information? In response to questions about a third part of the Fatima Prophecy (that had been entrusted to the Church and not passed on to the people), he told a small German audience in November 1980 something that was published in Stimme des Glaubens:
    "It should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message".

    Just consider that you were in such an important position as he was and would tell the world about a massive catastrophe? What panic would break out! Yet the Fatima Prophecy was meant to be shared, so that one could save oneself. Now it has supposedly been released to the people, this third part of the prophecy, but with no mention of such a flood. Why should John Paul make up the story?
    Jesus too compared what lies before to the earlier great catastrophe of Noah's Flood, saying "For as in the days that were before the Flood,... so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." Matthew 24:38-9. Yet here in Matthew 24 we have a clue that what lies before is not the End of the World, though sometimes translated as such, for the word used to tell of the end is the Greek word eon, which is a great age. We also hear, in this most serious part of the Bible and told direct from Jesus to his disciples, that this time is not just about a disastrous end but of a "coming..."

    I have enough reasons to believe that this is at least the beginning of the coming of the Son of Man, also referred to as the retun of the Bridegroom. What lies before us is not merely "the End of the World", for which any material preparation would indeed be senseless. We are at an omega-alpha point, but a very big one, one that may indeed flood major areas. Supposedly the answer to all our problems and all we need to know can be found out by reading the Bible.
    So what is the Bible about? It is largely a book of prophecy about a coming series of disasters in the future. Why should we want to read something like that? The reason to keep reading and hoping is that all the disasters, small and large, and all our individual sufferings and scurfed knees, are leading us closer to a New Earth, a better world, in fact even a Heaven on Earth where there will be no more hurting knees and even death will be overcome.
    The Bible is telling us, the last generation, how one can save one's soul and possibly even one's body from this disastrus period. Later I will show why the Mayan Prophecy and the Bible Prophecy are both referring to the same end period, and that this was once a wider spread understanding of what happens at the end of the Great Year.
    One might indeed call what will be created, after the chaos, a "New World Order", for which the Volcanic Gods were largely responsible each time and for which those in the know, the "Volcano Priests", have long been making plans and building underground shelters.

    The Denver International Airport is built at high altitudes in the Rocky mountains and a number of anomalies, like its large underground facility, suggest that an elite group, who have bought land and houses in this area, know of a coming disaster that they hope to survive.
    I believe this painting below, from the new Denver International Airport, is sharing with those capable of reading it, a message about a return to good after a period of disaster.
    This painting seems to suggest a return to a kind of "Garden of Eden". What is that colourful plant rising out of the hill with a light around it, to which all are rushing? I personally feel there is an awareness in the painter, and in those who commissioned it, of the volcanic return of the mountain of the Golden Age
    Susan Seymour Hedke

    So the hidden mysterious factor, discovered through a disaster on Earth in December 2004 and that will be later somewhat explained, is likely more than the cause of disaster. I see this supported by the images at Denver International Airport and many prophecies. Out of this evil will be born a new and better world...eventually a Golden Age. This can be explained by understanding the principles involved in the Great Year cycle and the part played by the mystery piece - the lost factor.
    A major breakthrough was discovering that this factor and its Great Year story was connected to the knowledge of the rise and fall of the particular aforementioned volcanic mountain, a mountain that represented much more than we can now imagine, but was a symbol of the Golden Age on Earth and of the life and of the soul of man and of a paradise once lost that would be regained.
    There is much strangeness in the writings and symbols used in the airport, shown also in youtube videos, many details of which added together certainly raise questions in an active mind.
    The symbols in the picture contain the quetzal bird (the quetzal is a symbol for the Aztec figure Quetzalcoatl, (the bird-snake-man-god who is thought to return at the end of this age). The bird is rising above a volcanic looking hollow hill on the east side of the picture, where a many-coloured plant rises in a luminous glow. Behind, on the mountain, sit two jaguars.

    All these images tell me that the artist, Leo Tanguna, either has a very developed cosmological understanding of the Great Year or is unconsciously passing on the larger message, which I and maybe a very few others can read. This latter possibility is difficult for me to swallow when taking into account the surrounding context and Freemason symbols used in this airport. Yet most of us have lost any conscious understanding of what the Great Year is all about.
    Nevertheless, whether the aforementioned people, or any of a number of others, knew or know what is coming may remain a matter of conjecture. The truth is, it doesnt really matter if each case of foreknowledge is correct, or not. What I hope to show here is that there is a scientific basis for the prophecies of coming disasters and the return of some man-god like figure (whatever he be called), quite independent of these props. For the understanding is founded on laws and principles that allow for such a long term prediction.
    The answers found in five years of intensive research from 2005 were also the fruits and confirmation gathered from a tree planted thirty four years earlier. They convince me most adamantly that the window 2010 to 2014 will bring an intensification of "disasters" of all kinds. Also December will be a particularly dangerous month in these years, most likely bringing earthquakes leading to volcanic eruptions.
    However, I am not saying that 2012 will bring the end of the world. But between End of the World and complete denial of what is occurring, less than two years before 2012, there seems to be little to choose. I can hardly believe it. Even now, as earthquakes shake many parts of the world, most seem unwilling to accept that we are in a disastrous period. Even those who are measuring the earthquakes seem unable to see what is happening and are clinging to strange straws requiring them to contort in quite ridiculous poses as the waters rise.
    I can only assume it is a mixture of fear combined with an uncertainty of the exact nature of what will come, and of what one can or should do, that is paralyzing people. Yet let us use the eagle's far vision to see land ahead. The main proofs that life on Earth will continue after this "event horizon" is that all prophecies of a coming disastrous period speak of a return, a long awaited return to good, a coming "Golden Age". This is true for native tribes all over the American continent (Hopi, Navajo, Lakota, Aztec, Q'ero, Mayan, Cherokee, etc) as also those on the Asian continent, (India, Tibet) as also parts of Europe and Scandinavia (Norse).

    I must admit that, even after reading the book, The Orion Prophecy by Patrick Geryl, I am still not sure whether there will be a north south pole-shift or crustal displacement leading to the Earth spinning in the other direction in 2012, something that might result in tsunami waves of over 2 km in height. This would certainly bring a catastrophe of such dimensions that truly only a handful, if any, on the surface of the planet might survive. Geryl notes that Plato refers to a pole shift in his work Politicus: "In certain periods, the universe has its present rotating movement and in other periods it turns in the opposite direction… Of all the changes that take place in the sky, this reversal is the biggest and the most complete." Some of my research supports Geryl's findings while other important details do not. Basically I do not have enough certain evidence for that, and moreover I have one reason for clinging to light in the future.

    My own discoveries do speak with certainty of severe earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, with likely tsunamis, landslides, floods and other weather disturbances that will have a disintegrative effect on civilization and particularly on certain areas of the globe. Also other people's discoveries and predictions arising from a wide variety of sources often without knowledge of the Mayan Prophecy, have focussed on some kind of disastrous event connected to 2012: people with near-death experiences for instance like Dannion Brinkley tell there own versions of what is coming. Geoff Stray's little book "2012 In Your Pocket" is very useful to see all these views under one cover. Of course I am human too and hope that we may have more time, a few hundred years would be fine, to strut and fret upon this stage before the final curtain. Still whether the crunch does come in 2012 or a little later, we will find that the principles behind the Great Year and its disastrous end is unveiled by my discovery. Nor will the disastrous "tribulation" be without purpose. In fact it will mark the birth pains of a "Second Coming".
    For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
    There will be earthquakes in various places.
    There will be famines and troubles.
    These things are the beginning of birth pains.

    Mark 13.8 World English Bible (also in Matthew 24)

    Yet where others may quote the Bible and give no supporting evidence or understanding, I will go for proving why this is true by adding some missing details.
    The prophecy of a "Second Coming" connected to the end of the age we are living in is found in Mayan and in Bible Prophecies. The most famous candidates for such a return are Jesus and Quetzalcoatl. Yet there are a number of other names given for the one or ones returning, but the the similarites between the differently named figures bridge many cultures. The Maya, Aztec and Inca cultures all know of a god-human who has been here before and is thought to return bringing a good period on Earth. They call him Quetzalcoatl, Kukulkan and Viracocha, respectively.
    Let us stay with the Maya here. The Tortuguero Monument 6 from the seventh century is one stone monument mentioning the End Date December 21 2012, or the end of the 13th Baktun. It suggests the return of not one figure alone but of nine gods However large chunks of the prophecy are unreadable:

    Tzuhtz-(a)j-oom u(y)-uxlajuun pik
    (ta) Chan Ajaw ux(-te') Uniiw.
    Uht-oom ?
    Y-em(al)?? Bolon Yookte' K'uh ta
    This translates to:
    "The Thirteenth 'Bak'tun" will be finished
    (on) Four Ajaw, the Third of Uniiw (K'ank'in).
    ? will occur.
    (It will be) the descent(??) of the Nine Support? God(s) to the ?."

    So we have here a prophecy of the return, possibly in December 2012, of Nine Support Gods. Sometimes these Nine are seen as Nine in One god like figure, Bolon Yookte' K'uh. I have written on the Nine in more detail elsewhere, but they were Lords of the Underworld. One possible word connected to this prophecy could be the word "darkness" before "will occur", but otherwise there is not much intimation of a disaster...that is, unless one understands the nature of the Nine.

    Mention of nine godlike figures is found in many ancient cultures - Maya, Egyptian, Chinese and Tibetan and I will not beat around the burning bush, if you do enough reading of the ancient texts it is quite clear that these Nine were volcanic mountains, or perhaps more correctly the Nine main tectonic sections of the whole Earth. They were connected to a very ancient plan that has been copied and kept alive in different areas of the world (you may begin to recognize the connection by reading such articles as the following link on Nine Tibetan Mountain Gods, or may later written article The Mayan Prophecy is a Volcanic Prophecy - Return of the Nine. The Return, as one might expect, of fallen or lost mountains, might cause a certain amount of earthquakes, tsunamis and eruptions. Moreover they were connected in the plan to one central volcanic mountain that marked the centre of the whole Earth, a mountain that has completely disappeared, sunk below the seas and into our own subcosnscious, it was this central mountain whose underworld aspect was seen as Bolon Yokte Ku and was the same in his more positive aspect as Kukulkan.

    Just in case the idea of a sudden volcanic return, perhaps in 2012, sounds rather incredible, you might remember that shortly after the Indian Ocean Earthquake a number of volcanoes began erupting on one day in January 2005.
    The knowlege of the return of the Nine and a central ruling factor - Bolon Yokte Ku - is connected to an ancient global understanding shared by all deeply rooted cultures or at least their priests, for which I will give more proof later. The description in the Chilam Balam or Jaguar Priest texts, created after the arrival of the Spanish in the 16th century, but thought to refer to the older Long Count prophecies of 2012 (according to Geoff Stray), is more revealing in terms of the volcanic mountain connection. However, one seeming confusion could come through the idea that they are going to descend. The Chilam balam texts (Tizimin p 16 Makemson) transforms the above idea of a possible descent into a more likely ascent or arising.

    Here in these texts we are told "the Nine shall arise in sorrow, alas... And when over the dark sea I shall be lifted up in a chalice of fire, to that generation there will come the day of withered fruit. There will be rain. The face of the sun shall be extinguished because of the great tempests...Further we are told about the coming of Kukulkan "The quetzal shall come, the green bird shall come... Blood vomit shall come. Kukulkan shall come with them for the second time. (It is) the word of God." All this, as many other ancient texts related to the End Time, describe what happens when volcanoes erupt: the chalice of fire, withered fruits, rain, tempest, sun extinguished and blood vomit = lava.
    Reading Revelations, with its cup of God's wrath, its scarlet beast, its hail and opening of an abyss, also contributed enormously to my understanding that we are dealing with a volcanic disaster and John's Revelation also revealed where it would occur. Nevertheless, I approached these texts with some parts of the plan in tact which will be added for you later.

    Particularly I see this period as about a shared prophecy once known all over the world. A prophecy related to the understanding of the great cycle affecting the nature of our planet Earth, which I go on to explain. The "One Story" stars this one extremely high volcano in particular that formed a holy mountain in the Golden Age before it fell. Moreover this mountain represented also mankind and his soul, so that its return has an implication for the soul.
    The rise and fall of this central mountain is what the Mystery of the Great Year is all about. This holy volcanic mountain is often thought even to be a man, a Cosmic Man (Purusha), a king ( who has been asleep inside a mountain) or sometimes a god or son of a god, a god-king or even a son of man, sometimes he is refferred to as a tree, the branch or shoot of a tree or he holds a rod, staff, flail or club, sometimes he is associated with snakes or even flying serpents. The lost missing factor explains the connection between all these symbols.

    On Earth all the Mysteries are centred on this volcanic mountain that is described in Revelation 17, that " was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go into perdition." and elsewhere described as the "son of perdition". In Isaiah 14 it takes the form of a rod: And there shall come forth a rod (or shoot) out of the stem (or stump) of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots". There were many pseudonyms for the central volcano that was visualized as a sort of stone tree, trees can grow as volcanoes do. Incidentally the Stele of the Maya on which they wrote their messages were "Stone Trees" too and Bolon Yokte Ku can also be translated as a Nine Footed Tree God, with Te being their word for Tree and the whole Monument 6 was in fact written on a Tau shaped or tree shaped monument. A tree, rod or staff were popular images because this was a very high mountain at one time, that reached into the heavens, one more like an obelisk or pillar in form.

    Different lands had different kinds of tall trees representing this World Tree mountain, in the ancient Mayan highlands of Atitlan, their cosmology centred on a large extinct volcanic crater lake and a volcano guardian god seen as a Flowering Mountain-Tree. I do not wish to denegrate sacred texts and say they were merely talking about natural events, for indeed there is a spiritual and human level to this story, which will be added to the cake mixture a bit later and also natural and supernatural are linked in ways we can barely comprehend.
    It is the volcanic return of the central mountain that is associated with a number of beasts and birds, flying dragon-serpents in different myths around the world, as also with the return of a king. This volcanic return may poison the world like a viper with its volcanic emissions at first, but in the long term, and for those in a safe place, it is a cause for joy - even rapture - the fulfillment of an ancient Covenant. Of course the fall of this high mountain caused a terrible disaster on Earth, but Isiaiah warns the natives not to be too sure that when that rod like mountain fell that it would stay fallen or broken forever and he predicts its fiery return.

    Isaiah 14:29: "Do not rejoice, all you of Philistia, because the rod that struck you is broken; for out of the serpent's roots will come a viper, and its offspring will be a fiery flying serpent."

    Isaiah is telling us that the high volcanic mountain that fell and struck the nations will return. Volcanoes can always be reborn, they are masters of repeated "Comings" even though they seemed to be dead for hundreds or even thousands of years. They are the true keepers of time and we are just beginning to understand that they erupt at regular intervals connected to heavenly conditions and cycles.

    The Mayan jaguar priests, like other priests the world over, once served these volcano god-kings, and particularly the one God or King of the Gods on Earth in his World Mountain. or he represented Heaven on Earth and was associated with a particuar aspect of the heavens even if this has been forgotten. It may surprise you to hear that Jesus was also associated with both the serpent and the panther and through them of course, unkown to us also to the volcano, which is why his eyes are sometimes like pools of fire, his tongue like a flaming sword, and why he has been pictured standing surrounded by a blazing light on the top of a mountain.

    Let us stay for a moment with the image of a fiery flying serpent. This is exactly the form given often to Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan whose serpent form is shown on the Kukulkan Temple of Chichen Itza. Both were seen as part bird and part serpent. Even the Cherokee have a similar prophecy of the return of a flying snake. For them it is the rattlesnake, also associated with Kukulkan. The rattlesnake was associated with the constellation Sagittarius for the Cherokee.This is the “Chickamaugan Prophecy”. As with the Bible Prophecy and the Mayan Prophecy this is associated with Venus, the Morning Star and with the belief in a return in 2012.

    Yet because no one understood how to interpret such ideas they have fallen by the wayside, or become "myths". I must ask you to "believe" me in all this, until the holes in the knowledge are sufficiently filled with further information.
    In a coming book whose working title is "ATLANTIS-MERU RISING - Volcanic Return in 2012 and a lost galactic-volcanic plan" I hope to prove what awaits us. The volcano is shown in the illustration at the top of the page, as well as maybe suggested in the painting above at the Denver Airport. It is the volcanic nature of this return that will cause the greatest disasters, either directly or through the accompanying earthquakes, tsunamis and so on. For the north west hemisphere one of the more serious consequences will be a Great Winter, with north east America thrown back into an ice age. This could occur in a few hundred year period, but may come suddenly within this decade.

    More details of how I came to this position will be given later and are also recorded in the book "THE GALACTIC CENTRE 2012 and the Great Waves Coming in December" (available through or at present more expensively at

    Susan Seymour Hedke

    However, I will attempt to tell here something of what led me to these dire, and yet in the long term hopeful prophecies, with a Great Year vision of a return to good, a return long promised in ancient texts and referred to in some (i.e. Enoch) as the fulfillment of a Covenant between God and Man.
    First to my background as it is relevant here. I began learning about astrology and other related esoteric sciences at the age of sixteen, over thirty years ago. Yet this only supplied me with the germ of what I would need to know and there was a sense of urgency. I also read the I Ching, mythology (i.e. Joseph Campbell) and sacred texts from around the world combining these with what I learned through university study of english and philosophy. Even when working in other fields I continued research in this area in all my spare time and was somehow always working to understand how the world functioned, seeking a plan behind it all.

    Yet for this plan to function, an important part had been missing. The esoteric sciences in themselves seemed to have no perfect plan: they were just broken pieces; flotsam swirling in a discredited sea of "mystery" and dwindling belief, bashing occasionally against a jetsam of "scientific" theories that suggested increasingly the past was wrong and that the future could offer nothing better. Result: we are awash in a meaningless universe of quantum chaos in which matter is not real and even "cause and effect" is a dying principle one can no longer cling to.

    I can now say that we got into this mess because we lost all understanding of the Great Year cycle and confidence in that which supports its existence. We have in fact lost any sense of there being any kind of plan in how the world around us functions at all. All that was left us in the modern "civilization" a civilization that ruled and destroyed all else, after Darwin's evolutionary theory in the 19th century and Nietzsche's observation of the "death of God" at the turn to the 20th century, was the existentialist philosophy expressed so well in the book title: "Nausea" by Jean-Paul Sartre: each individual was left alone, spinning around in a meaningless void. The gods and goddesses, kings and queens, were thrown down by new democracies and communist societies, and with them fell the guardian priests and learned people of our past.

    Yet recovering the missing part, of which all memory seemed lost, revealed to me a central mechanism behind the Great Plan, making sense again of the ancient ideas: ideas suggesting that nothing occurs by accident; all can indeed be known thousands of years in advance.

    Unfortunately much of the "western world" has a strong aversion to such "plans", which of course prevents them finding any. It is also no accident that the plan has been lost. It has also been deliberately destroyed by modern man. Today's man would rather enjoy the idea of free will, which is dependent on their being no plan to rule him. Free will is a concept which he has created to help keep his head above water at the price of enormous ignorance and only through the force of wishful thinking in a vaccuum of understanding caused by his own largely unconscious suffering in the void. Only to those who are ready to let go of the idea that each man is an island and reach out and reconnect to the greater meaning, may all this be of any interest.


    The Great Year cycle contains two particular "moments" of dramatic change within it. The first catastrophic transition period can be visualized as at the top of a wheel, where the motion of life on the wheel having been of an ascending nature reaches its highest peak and the wheel moves it over the top so it begins to fall down. This occurred half a Great Year ago c. 12,500 BP. So that the best word to describe what happened at this time of reversal is that a period of ascent ended in the beginning of a "Fall". This was a fall that affected the soul of man but also a great mountain called Lucifer and described even as a mortal man.
    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer , son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground ... You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly.... I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, 17 who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities...?’ Isaiah14:12-16

    This is the mountain that Isaiah describes elswhere as a rod, and it is the tree with the serpent's roots that will become again a fiery flying serpent. I believe I can prove all this to you as it is beyond any doubt. The Fall really occurred which I can explain by drawing on my magic lost factor and a sprinkling of mythology. I apologize if I sound like a fanatical Christian but the Bible seems to express best in words this Great Year cycle. It is good that these ancient texts have found a way to survive until they might be understood again.

    The next reversal in the wheel's motion is at the base of the wheel, where anything attached to that wheel ends its falling and begins an ascending period. This is where we are now and what 2012 represents. This phase is also referred to in the Bible. In Thessalons we are told in the King James version that the day of the lord cannot come, " except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." As man and mountain were seen as reflections of each other this destructive and sinful man, like the one in Isaiah 14 who was brought down to the depths of the Pit and made the earth tremble, represented this enormous volcanic mountain which could not rise again until the wheel reach the end of its falling period in the Great Year cycle. That is why we hear in John 3:14 the strange remark that "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up." For this volcanic mountain was associated both with snake, serpent and dragon power as also with Man and so the Son of Man was a mountain - the central mountain and another version of Quetzalcoatl, Kukulkan, Bolon Yokte Ku etc., etc.

    So that after a falling away comes some terrible destruction associated with the Son of Perdition (destruction) and then comes a rising up again associated to a snake (serpent-dragon) and the coming new age of the Son of Man.
    Elements of such a wheel are shown in the moving "gif" picture at the beginning of this writing and details are added below. We are at the base of the wheel in the 2012 period. The pictures, above and below, are taken largely from a Tibetan Wheel of Transformation supposed to illustrate the soul's journey. But such a wheel tells a lot more, it shows the whole history of the Great Year cycle, our past and our future and the fall and rise of the soul through this whole period of time as welll as the nature of the natural disasters that occur in two places, at the top and bottom of the wheel.
    We are now at the base of the wheel between the head and tail of the ouroboros dragon-serpent monster (as shown in that first picture of the erupting volcano), a base where the spirit has fallen furthest from heavenly grace. Yet this is the very place where a descending half of the Great Year cycle transforms to an ascending half and bad turns to good.
    The picture decribes a plan, a mechanical motion in time, which includes ascent and fall, to which one can add a spiritual, moral or religious connotation. Such wheels were common ways of understanding the Great Year - once upon a time, a method to which it seems the Bible was not immune.

    This Tibetan Wheel of Transmigration shows a figure holding it that has been identified as Shiva, as a demon called Mara and even as a goddess

    The wheel in the original would be divided into eight sections - or have eight spokes - that is if the vertical spoke were shown. But instead of a fourth vertical line, that would have made it an eight spoked wheel, we have a kind of partial natural spoke: elements of a volcano below, and above a mountain and raised temple. I admit in the original they are not that clear so I have placed a drawing above. ( Perhaps the volcano erupting at the base represents the eighth spoke in which case the Bible's Revelation would take on a new sense "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition - I would translate perdition as eruption! and the beast in the Bible is associated with two cat images given the head of a lion and the body of a leopard, it is no coincidence that below this erupting volcano we find the paws of a tiger, nor is it a coincidence that the paw of the jaguar was found imprinted in Mayan art work at the base of a tree. It is no coincidence that at the centre of the wheel we find an image of a snake connected to a bird and so on...) At the top of the wheel the demonic three-eyed "goddess", or the male god Shiva, (who can nevertheless never truly be seperated from his female half in Shakti), is biting into the central mountain of three mountains or one part of a trimurti mountain. Again about this triple image, this tripartite mountain whole books could be written. Also these three mountains look uncannily like the three pyramids at Giza, don't they? In the plan that unfolds this leaves no room for "coincidence" for they are representing the same principle and image (which again will be explained later).

    Below, between the legs of the demonic figure, above a tigers tail and between two other mountains or hills or islands - in a sort of womb area) the volcano is erupting. I see this as the remains (stump) of the volcanic mountain bitten off or fallen, as "Lucifer" fell half a Great Year ago. This was a high mountain that rose to heaven and that formed the vertical axis or axis mundi of our world. This Great Year Reality is much more exciting then our more short-sighted present realities usually ever give cause to imagine. The rebirth or return associated with this volcano will bring good, even though its eruption will first cause apocalyptic disaster. The vertical axis that this mountain-temple-volcano marks, signifies also the place of our missing factor that will explain the Great Year. How else could so much information be packed together than in such a wheel, knowing what is contained I fell admiration for its creators whose greatest gift was a good memory, a memory that remained alive in the very cells of the body that was held pure above all other considerations: all worldly pursuits and ambitions would have distracted and so destroyed it.

    That something powerful occurs at the time when the wheel passes its vertical moment is suggested by the fact that on the right side of the almost invisible vertical division people are seen falling against a dark background and on the left side they are rising again, even one might say levitating, in a much brighter, happier looking better-clothed and more composed condition. This should give us some idea of the significance of the transition we are in. I will go on to explain why we are at the base of the wheel, at the end of the dark period and the beginning of the light period, a position where the cycle is marked by an erupting volcano.

    This particular
    Wheel of Transmigration from Tibet is now in The American Museum of Natural History, and on the cover of a book by Joseph Campbell. It is good that Joseph Campbell wrote, and that the Museum now has this work, for Tibet, high in the mountains and inhabited only by peaceful monks and poor people and yaks, was once the ideal place to keep such knowledge alive, but no longer. I will never forget in the film "Seven Years in Tibet" the invasion of the Chinese communists and the flight of the Dalai Lama, as the Chinese military entered the temple, how they kicked and destroyed the sand of a painting of one of these great wheels of our collective memory. Yet, of course that was not the only way that the understanding has been and still is being destroyed. Joseph Campbell tells of the horrors of the Chinese tortures inflicted on these people.

    Now even this last refuge of the great plan is threatened.
    However, for you to see this wheel and its message as I do and to prove that this wheel really is about the Great Year, and that the base is really around about 2012, I am moving too fast. This is only supportable if you take the path I took which is a long one, but now less impeded by overgrowth, and allow me to revive important connections the wheel makes to astrology and then to the I Ching and the concept of Yin and Yang.

    The first part of my discovery was of an astrological-astronomical nature. I must ask you not to worry about understanding astrology that well, for the basic plan can be gripped without astrological knowledge, if you just keep going :). Yet for me the astrology opened the door to allow the other mythological and cosmological elements to move into their rightful places. On comparing the astrological chart of the Tsunami in 2004 with other worst-ever disasters, I noticed that a great number of them showed heavenly bodies, particularly Sun or Moon, close to the solstice areas of the astrological chart. (The summer solstice lies between the tropical signs of Gemini and Cancer, the Sun passes over this, its strongest position in the northern hemisphere, on 21-22 June and reaches its weakest position, the winter solstice between the signs Sagittarius and Capricorn on 21- 22 December of each year).

    This line up of heavenly bodies to within a few degrees of the solstice axis was found in such worst disasters as the Indian Ocean Earthquake and Tsunami on 26 December 2004, with circa 230,000 fatalities, as also exactly one year before the eathquake in Bam, Iran on 26 December 2003 with over 30,000 fatalities. It also occurred by the famous eruption of the volcano Krakatau on 26 August 1883 (Moon and Mars at the summer solstice), where over 30,000 were killed by a tsunami, and even by the World Trade Centre disaster on 9/11 2001 (Moon and North Node at summer solstice), when over 4000 died. One could throw in the symbolically significant sinking of the Titanic, which showed Mars and Pluto at the summer solstice.

    In fact I went on to study hundreds of cases of the worst disasters in history which showed a similar pattern. In some cases, like the Tsunami, heavenly bodies were found at both ends of the solstice axis.
    I suspected a missing piece in my astrological puzzle, the presence of a "Planet X", but never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined what this missing factor would turn out to be.
    Below you see just a few of the disasters connected to the Sun or Moon at the solstice axis in December or with the Moon conjunct the solstice axis in June or December.

    Some worst disasters like the eruption of Krakatau and some large and deadly earthquakes and aviation disasters, showing the Moon or Sun close to the solstice axis

    Susan Seymour Hedke

    The most useful clue to finding my missing piece was the fact that two disastrous earthquakes had occurred in two repeating Decembers, on the same date in 2003 and 2004. I remembered reading Graham Hancock's book "Fingerprints of the Gods", published in 1995. He had told of the Mayan Prophecy and a disaster in a coming December: an "End of the World" disaster. I wondered if there was a connection.
    I gave the date 21 December 2012 to Google and came up with an article by John Major Jenkins: " The How and Why of the Mayan End Date in 2012 A.D." (originally published in The Mountain Astrologer in Dec-Jan. 1994-5).
    Jenkins explained that the work of Linda Schele suggested that this End Date was based on the ancient Maya's knowledge of the Earth's relation to the centre of the Milky Way galaxy.

    Centre of the Milky Way Galaxy. Courtesy NASA, JPL-Caltech, S. Stolovy (SSC/Caltech)

    That our galaxy has a centre was only discovered by modern science in the last century. Just in the last decades are we beginning to find out its nature, and only in the very last few years have we become able or interested enough to create such amazing pictures of this part of the heavens, for the Galactic Centre is about 26,000 light years away from us and largely veiled from view.

    Yet if Schele and Jenkins were right, then the Maya knew about the centre of our galaxy over a thousand years ago and used it to calculate the length of ages and Great Year cycles. Is there any reason we should believe that?

    The first reason to believe that they knew and might have used it, is that we are beginning to discover the Maya were more "advanced" in many ways than we have given them credit for. They wrote books called codices, though only a few of them have survived the Spanish conquest and, as we hack deeper into the jungle and piece together the remains, we find they had amazing engineering and architectural abilities.
    This temple with its serpents representing Kukulkun that throws a moving shadow as if a serpent is moving down the pyramid has been said to have been built in this place for one date - 2012

    But more than anything else, the Mayan priests over 1,300 years ago, were astronomer-astrologers specialized in the keeping of "time" through tracking the positions of heavenly bodies. They were knowledgeable of a large number of calendars with which they could make most correct predictions of eclipses and Venus cycles etc, more correct than even we have been capable of. Further, they could use their knowledge of the regular heavenly motions to predict events that would occur on Earth in the future. For instance, there is now a large amount of information in the internet showing that the Mesoamericans knew when the "Spanish" arrival would occur and also that it would throw them into a Dark Age.
    Another even better reason to believe in their calculations and knowledge related to the Galactic Centre, is how they incorporated this knowledge into their monuments. John Major Jenkins has done an enormous amount of very significant work to show exactly how the ancient Maya integrated the Galactic Centre alignments with their monuments on Earth, as also to a very serious and strenuous ball game they played, in which one could lose one's head. The goal of the ball court is now thought to have represented the Galactic Centre and the ball, of course, was the Sun.
    Chichen Itza Ballcourt Goal significantly showing two intertwined serpents facing each other
    photo by Kåre Thor Olsen in 2002

    The Maya saw the Sun as being born as it passed through the dark rift where the centre of the Milky Way was found.
    John Major Jenkins discovery that for the Maya calendar end date on 21 December 2012 and the beginning of a new age or "Sun" was about the rising of the Sun out of the dark rift - crocodile/monster mouth at the Galactic Centre. The Sun's passage along the eciptic crossed at the winter solstice the plane of the Milky Way Galaxy once in a Great Year cycle

    They envisaged the Galactic Centre as a devouring monster mouth as also a life-giving womb. One ancient site with ball court and other meaningful monuments that gives further clues is found at Izapa. Here the heavenly image is reflected in an earthly one in which the king's throne, aligned to the Sun rising in the Galactic Centre, displayed such a monster mouth as well as splayed legs - a birthing position.

    My own drawing of the Izapan Ballcourt and a monument found there called Stele II showing Hun Hunahpu rising out of the mouth of some toad like monster mouth like a crucified Jesus with what likes flames behind him. He has also been associated with the winter solstice sun which rises from the mouth of the monstrous Galactic Centre to which the ball court with its throne - also showing a sun born out of a monster mouth and a birthing "hocker "position. The site is also aligned to the Tacoma volcano

    I am no Mayan specialist. For further understanding of this alignment I can heartily recommend John Major Jenkins book GALACTIC ALIGNMENT The Transformation of Consciousness According to Mayan, Egyptian, and Vedic Traditions, which can be bought directly from his informative website.

    Although agreeing with much that Jenkins writes, I unfortunately discovered good reason to see this alignment as more than a mere transformation of "consciousness" and must note that Jenkins has chosen to avoid certain conclusions that his research and discoveries would normally have brought him too, if maybe it had not been for his expressed commitment to "free will". Yet there seems to be a distinct avoidance in "PYRAMID OF FIRE The Lost Aztec Codex" in which the Aztec priests knowledge of astronomy-astrology and the great cycle is recorded and is quite distinctly telling of a coming "event" that I see as obviously volcanic and that he seems to wilfully transmute, castrating it of its catastrophic content.
    (Sigmund Freud noted the special ability of humans, who with all their intelligence were more capable than any other creature of censoring unwanted material and so deluding others and even themselves).

    An alignment between the centre of our galaxy and the winter solstice Sun would be an ideal position to end a Great Year cycle. That is if the Galactic centre and solstice indeed can be seen to meet in 2012, which seems to be only very roughly the case. Yet a solar year is often thought to end when the Sun reaches the winter solstice, and in the Great Year, one galactic year might easily be thought to reach its end when the Sun passes into the mouth of the Galactic Centre at the winter solstice.
    The Sun is at its sun stand still point- sol-stice - after a period of weakening in the autumn, in which it grows dark in the northern hemisphere at the winter solstice. One might even see this darkest moment of the year as the time of the Sun's death. Afterward, after three days of still stand, the Sun begins it return to us and the days grow longer again, so it might indeed make sense to end the Great Year on 21 December 2012 if that is the date these two can be truly said to align. If not then the rough algnment may be seen to be strengthened by other factors in this year.
    Jesus is just one of many incarnate gods or demi god figures of our past, whose birthday was worshipped about three days after the solstice as the Sun begins its return. Could this be the reason for a number of prophecies of some good and godly figure returning at the end of the age, a conviction that is found in religions and sacred traditions all over the world? This might mean we are on the verge of a Galactic Christmas, Saturnalia or Sol Invictus celebration, but it does not directly suggest any great disaster.

    So what else do we know about our galaxy and the Earth's relation to it? Well for one thing the Milky Way galaxy is huge and the Earth and all on it must be influenced by it when you consider how the whole thing is swirling around that one centre. The Maya supposedly referred to the Galactic Centre as Hunab Ku, who they called "ruler of all movement and measure". How true that must be if you consider that all suns and planets move around the centre - Hunab Ku - of the Milky Way. Yet Hunab Ku is a later syncretic construct after the Christian invasion and following the origins back we come to a god named Itzamna, where Itzam is the name for a crocodile or caiman.
    Susan Seymour Hedke

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    • Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 28th 2013

      On the INFECTION of the Old World by the New Christbug of the Cosmic TwinLogos

      [8:22:47 AM - Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 -+11UCT]
      Kali666: my rhombus
      [8:23:53 AM] Hades88: this one is for the "soul" -

      just to listen and "glide"
      [8:25:35 AM] Hades88: the vocal capacity is very good, to me
      [8:25:49 AM]Kali666: i don't like her
      [8:26:00 AM] Hades88: listen to her then dont watch
      [8:26:38 AM] Kali666: i prefer him
      [8:26:40 AM] julissa279p:

      [8:26:55 AM] Kali666: he feels to me as if he can love for real; reminds me of Tony
      [8:27:43 AM] Wyzard97: You guys are hilarious in your sincerities
      [8:27:55 AM] Hades88: hm?
      [8:28:04 AM] Wyzard97: With 'infected' I also mean the JCCJ descent Kali666
      [8:28:22 AM] Wyzard97: Rock the destruction of the earth by the sun is common astrophysics
      [8:28:33 AM] Kali666: yes i know...i just wated to know how he felt about it
      [8:28:37 AM] Wyzard97: This is NOT the purpose of Gaia as I said
      [8:28:48 AM] hades88: [8:28 AM] Wyzard97:
      <<< Rock the destruction of the earth byu the sun is common astronomy
      i know

      [8:29:09 AM] Wyzard97: Recall 64 million years ago and the asteroid of the Yucatan, wiping out the dinosaur empires?
      [8:29:26 AM] Hades88: a sad day, human inherited the earth
      [8:29:41 AM] Wyzard97: Planetary destruction can occur any time without the stellar evolution into its galactic destiny
      [8:29:53 AM] Wyzard97: Lol Mammals did yes
      [8:29:55 AM] Hades88: but everything always misses us, so much hope it will hit
      [8:30:11 AM] Wyzard97: Because of Jupiter in the 3D sense yes
      [8:30:17 AM] Hades88: and then the "scientists" calculate it wont
      [8:30:23 AM] Wyzard97: Jupiter's gravity diverts the bigger asteroids Rock
      [8:30:32 AM] Hades88: yes jupiter stops a shit of everything i watched a thing about that
      [8:31:01 AM] Hades88: once it was live how a "rock" hit it...the area bigger than earth got demolished...yet just a speck on jupiter
      [8:31:22 AM] Wyzard97: Whenever I say 3D I am doing this for you Rock It IS 4D space and 5D timespace now
      [8:31:41 AM] Wyzard97: Yes the Shoemaker comets
      [8:31:50 AM] Hades88: well when will this 4d and 5d start doing something?
      [8:32:02 AM] Wyzard97: But if I call it 4D you might think I mean 'higher D', which I do not
      [8:32:28 AM] Wyzard97: It IS doing something like creating 'I block you in my own name messes'
      [8:33:08 AM] Wyzard97: Before you called 'Tony to the stand', well clarify now please
      [8:33:27 AM] Wyzard97: About anything I said
      [8:33:36 AM] Hades88: lol no that was a joke
      [8:33:46 AM] Wyzard97: I know, I am not serious yet, lol
      [8:33:51 AM] Hades88: heh
      [8:34:02 AM] Wyzard97: I mean ask anything you are not clear on
      [8:34:15 AM] Hades88: amm...actually i have to go to bed
      [8:34:29 AM] Wyzard97: I just signed on. Strangely enough I did not sleep as long as the last few days, another shift here
      [8:34:33 AM] Hades88: xeia this one is for u:

      [8:34:52 AM] Hades88: my throat hurts me again, not good, i need to go sleep
      [8:35:04 AM] Wyzard97: Yes this sickness stuff is 4D changes Rock
      [8:35:19 AM] Wyzard97: It mightg seem familiar, but it is novel
      [8:35:32 AM] Wyzard97: The body matrix is changing
      [8:35:46 AM] Wyzard97: And it begins bad
      [8:35:57 AM] Wyzard97: I mean in discomforts
      [8:36:06 AM] Wyzard97: Like the nabs morons trumpet
      [8:36:22 AM] Wyzard97: No pain, no gain!
      [8:37:06 AM] Wyzard97: Nice song for you Xeia 666
      [8:37:23 AM] Hades88: good night all
      [8:37:25 AM] Wyzard97: Fitting
      [8:37:30 AM] Wyzard97: Buenas Rock
      [8:37:49 AM] Hades88: xeia? hmnja... good night
      [8:38:01 AM] Kali666: bye Rock
      [8:38:02 AM] Wyzard97: 279=666 Rock 18=99
      [8:38:06 AM] Hades88: bye? where are u going?
      [8:38:15 AM] Kali666: nowhere
      [8:38:20 AM] Hades88: ok
      [8:38:27 AM] Wyzard97: Limbo zones
      [8:39:02 AM] Hades88: i wonder what is in the 6th moon of paita....ok really going now
      [8:39:24 AM]Kali666: it only has 5 moons
      [8:39:31 AM] Wyzard97: The femme from Samaria Rok
      [8:39:46 AM] Wyzard97: 5-6-7
      [8:40:45 AM] Kali666: [Monday, 28 January 2013 8:36 PM] Wyzard97:
      <<< Mind before Body has switched in Xeia to Body before Mind Rok[Monday, 28 January 2013 8:37 PM] Wyzard97:
      <<< This is why she is mentally compromised atm
      This alone will help heal her jealousy memeplex

      [8:40:55 AM] Kali666: can you expand on this Tony?
      [8:41:30 AM] Wyzard97: Sure, just after this code
      [8:41:34 AM] Wyzard97: John.4.13-27

      13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

      14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

      15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

      16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

      17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

      18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

      19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

      20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

      21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

      22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

      23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

      24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

      25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

      26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

      27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

      [8:41:48 AM] Wyzard97: [8:40 AM] Kali666:
      <<< [Monday, 28 January 2013 8:36 PM] Wyzard97:
      <<< Mind before Body has switched in Xeia to Body before Mind Rok[Monday, 28 January 2013 8:37 PM] Wyzard97:
      <<< This is why she is mentally compromised atm
      This alone will help heal her jealousy memeplex

      [8:42:14 AM] Wyzard97: This is the key to this entire coring scenario
      [8:42:24 AM] Kali666: where is this from? Ezekiel?
      [8:42:29 AM] Wyzard97: John.4
      [8:42:30 AM] Kali666: Matthew? oh ok
      [8:42:50 AM] Wyzard97: Samaria is the Northern city and Jerusalem the South
      [8:42:59 AM] Wyzard97: Why he says, salvation is of the Jews
      [8:43:07 AM] Wyzard97: This femme IS MM
      [8:43:21 AM] Wyzard97: She has 5 husbands, all dead and a 6th lover
      [8:43:32 AM] Wyzard97: Why I posted this for Rok and the moons
      [8:43:46 AM] Wyzard97: This code describes the hex lovers
      [8:43:57 AM] Recall the template I made centred on you?
      [8:44:07 AM] Wyzard97: These 5 husbands are it
      [8:44:11 AM] Wyzard97: Rok is the 6th

      [8:44:50 AM] *** Wyzard97 sent HexCore.jpg HexCore.jpg HexCore.jpg ***

      [8:45:42 AM] Wyzard97: So this chart is relevant now. Your 5 husbands are the orange externals and me and James
      [8:45:46 AM] Wyzard97: Rok is the core
      [8:46:06 AM] Wyzard97: But this is peripheral to your question, a backdrop to it
      [8:46:44 AM] Wyzard97: You, everyone is a Mind 'above' and a Body 'below'
      [8:47:13 AM] Wyzard97: But there is a twinship potential like a shadow mind and a shadow body
      [8:47:40 AM] Wyzard97: So you are actually a Mind(Bodyshadow) above and a Body(Mindshadow) below
      [8:47:56 AM] Wyzard97: The JCCJ descent is making the shadows REAL
      [8:48:18 AM] Wyzard97: In doublig yourself BY them in invitation
      [8:48:34 AM] Wyzard97: They literally are to possess you 'infect' you by the TwinLogos
      [8:49:09 AM] Wyzard97: So the femme has the natural body of the creation goddess and is divine in the body
      [8:49:30 AM] Wyzard97: The male has the natural mind of the creator and is divine in that
      [8:49:43 AM] Wyzard97: This is the story of the rib of ASdam becoming Eve
      [8:50:24 AM] Wyzard97: So Eve 'in heaven fantasy' is a man as the same flesh but looks different sexwise, yet is androgenous in looks but the sdame in nature (fantasy)
      [8:50:42 AM] Wyzard97: Then they are banned from fantasy to get real in a real 3D universe
      [8:50:50 AM] Wyzard97: So it switches.
      [8:51:19 AM] Wyzard97: Eve is the real one now as a Body(Mind) and Adam is fake as a Body(Mind) but real as a Mind(Body)
      [8:51:47 AM] Wyzard97: So this shows you the big messup of the origins
      [8:52:16 AM] Wyzard97: All femmes have goddess bodies but male minds (above) where it should be a female mind (Christmind)
      [8:52:38 AM] Wyzard97: All males have god minds but false bodies BECAUSE they were BORN of Women
      [8:53:01 AM] Wyzard97: This is the entire sexist of femmes being of the devil memeplex of the last 2000 years
      [8:53:34 AM] Wyzard97: The virgins are the men, who know thius and are NOT born of women IN MINDfulness not the biology
      [8:53:47 AM] Wyzard97: This is WHY Jesus says the real mother is a cosmic divine whore
      [8:54:15 AM] Wyzard97: The GOT repeats this many times. This is directly from the GOT not Tony's ideas lol
      [8:54:37 AM] Wyzard97: So the 'infection' becomes the 'Fall of the malemindedness' in the female
      [8:54:55 AM] Wyzard97: Mind above 'falls' to become the REAL BodyMind below
      [8:55:08 AM] Wyzard97: You follow this or am I talking to a brick wall?
      [8:55:44 AM] Wyzard97: I continue then and share it anyway.
      [8:56:07 AM] Wyzard97: It is CJ or the cosmic MM who so SHARES the already divine Body of the Old Eve
      [8:56:51 AM] Wyzard97: But then see, the old mind of Eve is like 'vacant' yet this does not become appareant because of the doubling of the images in the mirror of spacetime itself

      [8:57:07 AM] Kali666: [8:54 AM] Wyzard97:
      <<< You follow this or am I talking to a brick wall?
      i am following yes

      [8:57:36 AM] Wyzard97: In a way all Old Eves MUST surrender their old malemindedness in allowing it to become divinised IN THEIR OWN BODY as the natural maleness inbred and purposed to be so
      [8:58:01 AM] Wyzard97: So this is why you are 'healing' in becoming 'infected' by the Christbug
      [8:58:40 AM] Wyzard97: Corollarily, all males are godminded, bust must allow MM to 'possess' them in a sharing of their MINDS, not their bodies
      [8:59:03 AM] Wyzard97: It is the male christbody, which will take the place of their old Adamic bodyforms
      [8:59:41 AM] Wyzard97: This then is the prerequisite for the 'eternal life' label and the 'sharing of the resurrection' and the 'quantum immortality'
      [9:00:08 AM] Kali666: so 'losing my mind' may not be that bad after all?
      [9:00:15 AM] Wyzard97: So ech one must surrender something to the Logostwin
      [9:00:54 AM] Wyzard97: Old Adams must give up their Body isolated and Old Eves must give up their Minds isolated, because they are the 'wrong' polarity
      [9:01:13 AM] Wyzard97: You are REQUIRED to lose your mind INTO your own body indeed
      [9:01:29 AM] Wyzard97: If you wish to transform into a starhuman DQBee
      [9:01:31 AM] Kali666: Raven said to hang in there
      [9:01:47 AM] Wyzard97: Mindwise and Bodywise yes
      [9:01:47 AM]Kali666: somehow she knew i was just all impulse
      [9:02:16 AM] Wyzard97: Your Body will BECOME the heavenly goddess Xeia as a MM-Xeia hybrid
      [9:02:34 AM] Wyzard97: Wave and Particle form TOGETHER and no longer quantum separate
      [9:03:04 AM] Wyzard97: Your new Mind will become starhuman a waveform encompassing the bodyform
      [9:03:21 AM] Wyzard97: This is vice versa for your new Body
      [9:03:39 AM] Wyzard97: Your new body will encapsulate a waveform, namely your old mindedness
      [9:03:44 AM] julissa279p: and this integration is what you said would help me heal my jealousy memeplex?
      [9:03:45 AM] Wyzard97: Nothing is lost, all is gained
      [9:04:17 AM] Wyzard97: Yes, because the cosmic entwinement is the Lake of eternal damnation for all idols and fake images
      [9:05:04 AM] Wyzard97: And it means BOTH half of JC and half of CJ are WITHIN you and they are inseparable from THEIR other 'missing halves' and those are IN your core and nowhere else
      [9:05:28 AM] Wyzard97: You understand any of this Xeia 666?
      [9:05:51 AM] Kali666: hmmm
      [9:06:08 AM] Wyzard97: Because JCCJ are the AbbaBaab, and only ONE AbbaBAAB can exist, there cannot be any jealousy
      [9:06:54 AM] Wyzard97: AbbaBaab is pure abstraction OUTSIDE any finite cosmology. They are the only real infinity concept physicalizable
      [9:07:32 AM] Wyzard97: From this FACT derives the nabs and mainstream nonsense of parallel universes and many worlds and individual 'truths'
      [9:08:31 AM] Wyzard97: The Many Worlds and multiverses ALL depend on the ONE AbbaBaab or the monadic dyad of creator-creation or similar labels, if you find AbbaBaab too childish
      [9:08:54 AM] Wyzard97: Its the Chicken-Egg or Quantum wave-particle Paradox
      [9:09:21 AM]Kali666: why Xeia 666?
      [9:10:30 AM] Wyzard97: 279=99=18=666 a label for Kali Xeia or SuiGeneris
      [9:10:43 AM] Wyzard97: Like the wyzard97
      [9:10:48 AM]Kali666: 279? omg; finally i see it realized
      [9:11:00 AM] Wyzard97: Yep
      [9:11:04 AM] Kali666: that it means something
      [9:11:08 AM] Wyzard97: Lol
      [9:12:06 AM] Wyzard97: The p means 16=Lotus = Home of the Elements of 11=Fire, 12=Air, 13=Water and 14=Earth
      [9:12:49 AM] Wyzard97: 88=16=4444=The Crook and Flail of the Pharao of the Path of Ptah (the freemason codes)
      [9:13:19 AM] Wyzard97: DD doubled lol, as it is written and you can perhaps read between the lines of this code
      [9:13:36 AM] Wyzard97: 88=HH the 'holy of holies' in the Torah
      [9:13:47 AM] Kali666: Rock is the double 8
      [9:13:54 AM] Wyzard97: There you go
      [9:14:07 AM] Wyzard97: HadessedaH
      [9:14:23 AM] Kali666: Hadassah? did you just call me that?
      [9:14:50 AM] Wyzard97: Many derivatives, also the Seder, the 'last Supper' as the First Supper in the heavenly alchemy
      [9:15:01 AM] Wyzard97: Hades + Hades backwards
      [9:15:09 AM] Kali666: oooh, that was my name once
      [9:15:21 AM] Wyzard97: Lol you are a little slow today
      [9:16:08 AM] Kali666: i was born Hadassah once
      [9:17:41 AM] Wyzard97: The sah and the seh refer to seeing things yes
      [9:18:07 AM] Wyzard97: as a? etc DIY codes
      [9:18:38 AM] Wyzard97: You can play many gematria derivatives with it. It is not singular
      [9:18:57 AM] Wyzard97: But this time now is about doubling things
      [9:19:09 AM] Wyzard97: As in the Dead Sea Scrolls in a mysterious code
      [9:19:20 AM] Wyzard97: Why I doubled Hades
      [9:19:56 AM] Wyzard97: To get NOT the fake 'abomination' of GODGOD, but the divine image GODDOG as HadessedaH
      [9:20:32 AM] Wyzard97: HadesHades is the Devil image for the truth as the 'male-male' thing called sinful in the Torah
      [9:20:39 AM] Wyzard97: It is MENTAL not physical
      [9:21:16 AM] Wyzard97: GODGOD is the socalled Lucifer Dragon wishing to depose God in Heaven yada yada
      [9:21:16 AM] Kali666: makes sense
      [9:21:53 AM] Wyzard97: It is actually the requirement to bring a physical universe into being in the birth of gravity (as the grave hint)
      [9:22:02 AM] Wyzard97: But I dont want to go technical now
      [9:22:20 AM] Wyzard97: But the 'big split' between Abba and Baab is just that
      [9:23:10 AM] Kali666: Tony can you rename me?

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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 29th 2013

    The Dance of the Lila between the Christplanet Neptune and the Cosmic Healer Chiron in Pisces with Dark Moon Lilith

    I should check some of those astroconjunctions of February 8th though

    [12:57:38 PM - Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 -+11UCT] Wyzard97: You saw this?
    [12:57:44 PM] Sirius 17: no
    [12:57:50 PM] Sirius 17: what do you mean?
    [12:58:46 PM] Wyzard97:
    [12:07:12 AM] Rok: earth, mercury, mars and neptun aligned on february 8th or 9th?
    [12:08:42 AM] Rok: geocentrically conjoined
    [12:10:27 AM] Rok: do u know this -
    [12:31:30 AM] Wyzard97: No I am looking at this
    [12:31:41 AM] Wyzard97: It would fit the timeline perfectly
    [12:34:51 AM] Wyzard97: Neptune conjunct Mercury yes
    [12:35:13 AM] Wyzard97: And Mars yes
    [12:35:46 AM] Wyzard97: This is a triple conjunction with Chiron not far away at so 5 degrees
    [12:36:16 AM] Wyzard97: Cosmic Healer with Communicator with Christ Love with War and Impulse

    [12:59:20 PM] Wyzard97: I need to check just when Neptune was conjunct Chiron
    [12:59:38 PM] Wyzard97: A cosmic healing mode began. I suspect this was just after December 21st
    [1:02:52 PM] Wyzard97: Now I know that Lilith is in Gemini right now and since the birth wink wink
    [1:02:52 PM] Sirius 17: interesting
    [1:03:00 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [1:03:33 PM] Sirius 17: yeah the astrology on the 8th is interesting a huge conjunction
    [1:03:36 PM] Sirius 17: it seems
    [1:03:48 PM] Sirius 17: do a post on it lol
    [1:03:57 PM] Wyzard97: Lilith went into Gemini September 12th, 2012
    [1:03:58 PM] Sirius 17: if you like
    [1:04:25 PM] Wyzard97: It might be rather dramatic and i better bide my time dear
    [1:04:42 PM] Sirius 17: well ok, i understand
    [1:05:27 PM] Wyzard97: This is interesting Neptune and Chiron dance about with each other
    [1:06:08 PM] Sirius 17: yes i like that idea 'dancing' it fits
    [1:06:41 PM] Wyzard97: Neptune turned direct on November 11th at 0 degrees in Pisces and Chiron did on November 15th at degrees in Pisces
    [1:07:22 PM] Sirius 17: wow
    [1:07:27 PM] Sirius 17: yeah thats potent
    [1:08:38 PM] Wyzard97: Because Neptune is three times as slow as Chiron he can't catch him now
    [1:09:07 PM] Wyzard97: But those 2 have fiddled with each other since.. wait
    [1:09:43 PM] Wyzard97: February 4th, 2012
    [1:10:35 PM] Wyzard97: When Neptune entered his own sign of the Christlove planet Pisces and Chiron was there at 3°49'
    [1:11:03 PM] Wyzard97: So this was the closest and this has been going on for a year now with today Neptune being in Pisces at
    [1:11:58 PM] Wyzard97: 2° and Chiron at 7½°
    [1:12:56 PM] Wyzard97: So after a year from 2012 and 2013, the 4 degree conjunction of 2012 is now a 5 degree conjunction
    [1:13:07 PM] Wyzard97: This is determinative astrowise
    [1:13:26 PM] Wyzard97: This means that the Christening of the New World is also a Healing mode
    [1:13:53 PM] Wyzard97: I am surprised none of the 'expert' astrologers out there has made a point of this yet
    [1:14:03 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [1:14:07 PM] Sirius 17: right
    [1:14:24 PM] Sirius 17: why i think you should do this post
    [1:14:52 PM] Sirius 17: using Thuban astrology and not the regular NABS interpretations
    [1:15:20 PM] Wyzard97: Chiron's orbit is 51 years and Neptunes is 165 years triple see?
    [1:15:32 PM] Sirius 17: that is interesting
    [1:15:41 PM] Wyzard97: I post this convo Raven, this will do
    [1:16:00 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: I think Raven is right
    [1:16:03 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: You need to do a post
    [1:16:07 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: This convo won't do it.
    [1:16:17 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: Your substance is much greater.
    [1:16:19 PM] Sirius 17: oh she agrees with me
    [1:16:21 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: more detailed
    [1:16:23 PM] Sirius 17: this is nice
    [1:16:25 PM] Wyzard97: Let me check how long this dance of the Lila continues
    [1:16:49 PM] Sirius 17: and i agree it should be more detailed then just our convo but include it
    [1:18:20 PM] Wyzard97: This goes on for a while
    [1:19:36 PM] Wyzard97: In July 2013 Chiron reaches 13°45' with Neptune at 5° and both go reverse mode so decrease their separation of then 8 degrees again
    [1:19:50 PM] Wyzard97: So they just refuse to drift apart
    [1:21:12 PM] Wyzard97: In December 2013, Neptune is at 3 degrees and Chiron is at 10 degrees both forward
    [1:21:19 PM] Wyzard97: So then 7 degrees apart
    [1:21:37 PM] Wyzard97: So all 2013 is under this Christ-Healing mode
    [1:21:44 PM] Wyzard97: Let me look at 2014
    [1:22:02 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it is appropriate that we deliver the message
    [1:22:08 PM] Sirius 17: about the astrology
    [1:22:38 PM] Sirius 17: this dance is about all of us
    [1:22:56 PM] Sirius 17: in a deeper sense
    [1:23:25 PM] Wyzard97: Yes, well I am using May 10th, 2014 as the convergence of all biblical timeline codes
    [1:23:29 PM] Sirius 17: post it with the king and i video lol

    [1:23:42 PM] Sirius 17: or some other one of your nice dancing videos
    [1:24:16 PM] Sirius 17: i dont know, this one came to mind
    [1:24:19 PM] Wyzard97: Then Neptune and Chiron are drifting apart further day by day and Neptune is at 7°20' and Chiron at 17°
    [1:24:36 PM] Wyzard97: So when does Chiron leave Pisces for Aries?
    [1:24:54 PM] Sirius 17: no idea
    [1:25:02 PM] Sirius 17: but i bet it falls on the timeline somehow
    [1:25:07 PM] Sirius 17: is my guess
    [1:25:53 PM] Wyzard97: April 18th, 2018
    [1:26:40 PM] Wyzard97: Neptune is halfway through Pisces then at 15°30'
    [1:27:03 PM] Wyzard97: So I would look at Lilith now as the Goddess realised
    [1:27:19 PM] Wyzard97: When does Lilith enter Cancer and the cosmic sign of the mother?
    [1:27:29 PM] Wyzard97: This relates to Xeia see this?
    [1:27:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [1:27:49 PM] Wyzard97: Cancer is her sign and her body scare
    [1:28:25 PM] Wyzard97: Lilith is in Capricorn and the cosmic father sign on April 18th, 2018
    [1:28:43 PM] Sirius 17: wow thats interesting
    [1:29:13 PM] Wyzard97: Lilith leaves Gemini for Cancer on June 10th, 2013
    [1:29:36 PM] Sirius 17: near Xeias birthday
    [1:29:45 PM] Wyzard97: Now Debra's Lilith Dark Moon return is at 23°32' if I recall correctly
    [1:30:26 PM] Wyzard97: April 12th, 2013
    [1:30:43 PM] Wyzard97: But this feels wrong let me check
    [1:30:58 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: 22 I think
    [1:31:20 PM] Wyzard97: It is 26°32'
    [1:31:57 PM] Wyzard97: Bingo May 10th, 2013 lol
    [1:32:03 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [1:32:07 PM] Sirius 17: really?
    [1:32:08 PM] Wyzard97: Raven see this?
    [1:32:11 PM] Wyzard97: Yes
    [1:32:13 PM] Sirius 17: holy shit
    [1:32:16 PM] Wyzard97: Indeed
    [1:32:23 PM] Sirius 17: Debra do you see this?
    [1:32:54 PM] Sirius 17: that is the date we started the 3 some chat and our combined visons and body gnosis
    [1:32:59 PM] Sirius 17: i am sure you recall
    [1:33:09 PM] Wyzard97: Well this is a fact the 2 year anniversary of the transfig gnosis is Debra's Lilith return
    [1:33:35 PM] Wyzard97: Exactly 1 year before the scripture codes converge on May 10th, 2014
    [1:34:08 PM] Wyzard97: So a 3 year 'tribulation' of sorts which the bible bashers write about as half of the 7 years
    [1:34:15 PM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: Ooooo
    [1:34:37 PM] Wyzard97: May 10th, 2011 was when we created this 'special' chat of the 3some or whatever we called it then

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    SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGE - Posted Jan 30th 2013

    WHERE IS CELL # 9 ???

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    • THE13thBRiDGE-SUSAN - Posted 8 Hours Ago

      WHERE IS CELL # 9 ???

      It is a spiral Susan. Cell 9 is so next to cell 8 and cell 10. It is drawn where the Fibonacci name appears.
      Most of those names are made up and arbirtrary Susan and Mel. You can put any names into the honey comb, but must center one of the vertices with your own name and then go from there. I have used SUI in this as an example.
      I looked at your charts, they are ok and you are doing good work in your reconfigurations and edits.

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      miii - Posted Jan 30th 2013

      that wasn't a question, but ok. all good

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      Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 31st 2013

      miii - Posted 10 Hours Ago

      that wasn't a question, but ok. all good

      I am aware of this. It seemed a somewhat less than friendly comment though and I then addressed this comment appropriately to dispell any possible misperceptions. But it is all good mel, as you said.

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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Jan 31st 2013

    Logos Questions

    [30/01/2013 5:58:44 PM ] Sirius 17:
    [30/01/2013 5:58:59 PM] Sirius 17:
    [30/01/2013 5:59:59 PM] Sirius 17: second article is less scientifically challanging, both talking about same object
    [30/01/2013 6:09:11 PM] Sirius 17: The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is usually considered to provide the best evidence for isotropy, and hence of homogeneity too, given the assumption of isotropy about all points. Nevertheless, there do appear to be large-scale features in the CMB that may challenge the reality of homogeneity and isotropy – see Copi et al. (2010) for a recent review. More recently still than this review, Rossmanith et al. (2012) find further indications of a violation of statistical isotropy in the CMB. Furthermore, Yershov, Orlov & Raikov (2012) find that the supernovae in the redshift range 0.5–1.0 are associated with systematic CMB temperature fluctuations, possibly arising from large-scale inhomogeneities. Observationally, for SDSS DR7 galaxies with 0.22 < z < 0.50, Marinoni, Bel & Buzzi (2012) find that isotropy about all points does indeed apply on scales larger than ∼210 Mpc.

    [30/01/2013 11:45:55 PM] Wyzard97: This fits very well with the Thuban Cosmology Raven, which stipulates just such particular redshift intervals
    [30/01/2013 11:46:59 PM] Wyzard97: In particular, the 10D and 11D intersection of the protoverse relates the asymptotic lowerD expansion of the universe to the oscillating 'heartbeat' of its 11D higher dimensional invariance
    [30/01/2013 11:48:20 PM] Wyzard97: This 'solves' the socalled acceleration of the universe, due to its 'dark energy' content, as it shows that specific redshift intervals intersect and so create 'doubled quasar images' and the like
    [30/01/2013 11:49:22 PM] Wyzard97: In particular, I can tell you, that the high end reshift interval for this 'doubling' runs from 1.08 to 1.84 and this is not as easily analysed as the lower redshifts
    [30/01/2013 11:51:19 PM] Wyzard97: This same interval is however mapped onto the interval from 0.16 to 0.29 and centred on 0.25, which is the present expansion redshift for the ENTIRE universe
    [30/01/2013 11:52:28 PM] Wyzard97: There is also a z=0.343 limit, where the 'local Hubble flow' becomes cosmic and related to all those observations
    [30/01/2013 11:53:04 PM] Wyzard97: There is a great 'large scale' deviation from the CMB and they hitherto have tried to explain this away.
    [30/01/2013 11:53:29 PM] Wyzard97: It is a angular 'abnormality' and far too large to allow homegeneity
    [30/01/2013 11:54:14 PM] Wyzard97: Now Rok is asking lots of questions about Logos and I would appreciate tou trying to answer him in your more simple terminology
    [30/01/2013 11:54:46 PM] Wyzard97: About the Rodin coils. This has some very sound basics, but is also Nabs infused
    [30/01/2013 11:57:07 PM] Wyzard97: What many of the 'wanna be' new Einsteins dont seem to understand, is that the elementary symbolic nature of the cosmos is indeed mathematical and so the Pythagorean notion on the 'divinity of numbers' is fully justified; but they try to put their models on a foundation, which does not crystallize the elementary algorithms
    [30/01/2013 11:57:55 PM] Wyzard97: Those are Fibonacci based alright, but just using geoemtry as a derivative of that is not sufficient to 'tap the VPE-ZPE'
    [30/01/2013 11:58:16 PM] Wyzard97: The keshe nabs and much, if not almost all of the you tube stuff is like that
    [30/01/2013 11:58:43 PM] Wyzard97: I have made a new chart, which now has allowed me to date one of the things Rok asked
    [30/01/2013 11:59:00 PM] Wyzard97: Chapter 19 of Rev will definitely start June 17th, 2013
    [30/01/2013 11:59:40 PM] Wyzard97: I post it here for you and I have also added this to the Apocalypse Thread on the forums,. But it is hidden in an older thread there

    [12:00:20 AM-Thursday, January 31st, 2013 - +11UCT] *** Wyzard97 sent 2013.jpg 2013.jpg 2013.jpg 2013.jpg ***

    2013. add.
    [12:01:17 AM] Wyzard97:
    [30/01/2013 9:02:44 PM] Hades 88:
    israel = fig tree?

    [30/01/2013 9:12:23 PM] Hades 88:
    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh
    So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things
    be fulfilled."

    this our now generationS? or specific one generation?
    Israel was destroyed in 70 AD?, and it was, when did it "bloom" again? May 14, 1948 is the date that history records that fact occuring
    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars
    like David Icke the self proclaimed Son of God? wars rumors and actuallity
    For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places
    yet localized?

    [30/01/2013 9:28:48 PM] Sirius 17:
    [30/01/2013 9:28:58 PM] Sirius 17: I call my discovery the ABHA Torus. It is now the full completion of how to engineer Marko Rodin’s Vortex Based Mathematics. The ABHA Torus as I have discovered it is the true and perfect Torus and it has the ability to reveal in 3-D space any and all mathematical/geometric relationships possible allowing it to essentially accomplish any desired functional application in the world of technology. This is because the ABHA Torus provides us a mathematical framework where the true secrets of numbers (qualitative relationships based on angle and ratio) are revealed in fullness.
    This is why I believe that the ABHA Torus as I have calculated is the most powerful mathematical tool in existence because it presents proof that numbers are not just flat imaginary things. To the contrary, numbers are stationary vector interstices that are real and exhibiting at all times spatial, temporal, and volumetric qualities. Being stationary means that they are fixed constants. In the ABHA Torus the numbers never move but the functions move through the numbers modeling vibration and the underlying fractal circuitry that natures uses to harness living energy.
    The ABHA Torus as revealed by the Rodin/Powell solution displays a perfectly symmetrical spin array of numbers (revealing even prime number symmetry), a feat that has baffled countless scientists and mathematicians throughout the ages. It even uncovers the secret of bilateral symmetry as actually being the result of a diagonal motion along the surface and through the internal volume of the torus in an expanding and contracting polarized logarithmic spiral diamond grain reticulation pattern produced by the interplay of a previously unobserved Positive Polarity Energetic Emanation (so-called ‘dark’ or ‘zero-point’ energy) and a resulting Negative Polarity Back Draft Counter Space (gravity).

    [30/01/2013 9:32:36 PM] Sirius 17: hi Rok
    [30/01/2013 9:32:56 PM] Sirius 17: Tony I don't know if you have seen this rodin math stuff
    [30/01/2013 9:33:03 PM] Sirius 17: wondered what you thought of it
    [30/01/2013 9:35:53 PM] Sirius 17:

    [30/01/2013 9:44:02 PM] Hades 88:
    Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
    relevance to the 2nd amendment ?

    [30/01/2013 9:46:45 PM] Hades 88: a sentence like this:
    56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
    what is this a jesus saying or a pristhood addition to "elaborate" on the events?
    [30/01/2013 10:02:55 PM] Hades 88:

    And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
    Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

    a curse on all of us?

    [30/01/2013 10:08:24 PM] Hades 88: --------------------------
    And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    he lost his faith?

    [30/01/2013 10:14:44 PM] Hades 88: -----------
    Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    he died? after losing faith? he was faithless in the moment of his death?
    [4:20:44 AM] Sirius 17: [Wednesday, 30 January 2013 9:44 PM] Hades 88:
    <<< Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
    sword=words and no it is not a second ammendment thing Rok. It goes back to John 1-1. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    [4:20:50 AM] Sirius 17:
    (14) Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you."

    [4:22:21 AM] Sirius 17: but your taking these passages out of context also so it is hard for me to interpret some of it.
    [4:22:48 AM] Hades 88: someone chopped off someones ear
    [4:23:06 AM] Sirius 17: ?
    [4:23:16 AM] Hades 88: and after that he said...put the sword down
    [4:23:30 AM] Hades 88: so i thought that in this case it is literal
    [4:25:01 AM] Sirius 17: no it means you will live and die by your own words basically, what comes out of your mouth is what condemns you
    [4:25:09 AM] Sirius 17: from your heart
    [4:25:28 AM] Sirius 17: gods word is infaliable it is what created all things
    [4:25:47 AM] Sirius 17: it came from his heart and so to are your words that issue from your mouth
    [4:26:57 AM] Sirius 17:
    (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

    [4:27:02 AM] Sirius 17: it is also related to this
    [4:27:05 AM] Sirius 17: knowing yourself
    [4:28:34 AM] Hades 88: [4:25 AM] Sirius 17:
    <<< no it means you will live and die by your own words basically, what comes out of your mouth is what condemns you
    what about ones deeds?

    [4:28:37 AM] Sirius 17: word=60
    [4:29:15 AM] Sirius 17: well words come before all things
    [4:29:18 AM] Sirius 17: thoughts
    [4:30:59 AM] Sirius 17: and DD is right
    [4:31:05 AM] Sirius 17: about the being the gateway
    [4:31:13 AM] *** Hades 88 has changed the conversation picture. ***
    [4:32:01 AM] Sirius 17: lol what is this
    [4:32:15 AM] Hades 88: hmm u cant make it out?
    [4:32:21 AM] Hades 88: not good enough pic?
    [4:32:22 AM] Sirius 17: well yes i can
    [4:32:28 AM] Sirius 17: i just wondered where you got it
    [4:32:33 AM] Hades 88: online
    [4:32:53 AM] Hades 88: it is J&J
    [4:33:20 AM] Sirius 17:
    (108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

    [4:33:30 AM] Sirius 17: so this is also related
    [4:33:34 AM] Sirius 17: to words
    [4:33:38 AM] Sirius 17: thoughts
    [4:33:44 AM] Hades 88: he who talks like me and walks like me is me?
    [4:34:42 AM] Sirius 17: no it means if you take his words into your heart, his spirit....essence then he will show you what has been hidden from you
    [4:35:18 AM] Sirius 17: the word of god is alive in the deepest sense
    [4:35:32 AM] Sirius 17: it is the original thought
    [4:35:38 AM] Sirius 17: the identity
    [4:36:04 AM] Sirius 17: so in trying to understand this identity you come to understand yourself
    [4:37:00 AM] Sirius 17: drinking from his mouth means to listen to what he is saying, try to feel his message
    [4:37:05 AM] Sirius 17: in your heart
    [4:37:08 AM] Sirius 17: and your mind
    [4:38:27 AM] Sirius 17: many of the words are couched in deeper meaning Rok, that can only be felt really
    [4:38:32 AM] Sirius 17: they are symbols
    [4:38:53 AM] Sirius 17: like when i say the word SEX
    [4:38:58 AM] Sirius 17: what comes to mind
    [4:39:07 AM] Sirius 17: or you look at the pic above you pasted
    [4:39:27 AM] Sirius 17: symbols convey meaning
    [4:39:27 AM] Hades 88: oh u dont want to know what comes to mind
    [4:39:46 AM] Sirius 17: and the words of Jesus are very deep like this
    [4:40:08 AM] Sirius 17: not necessarily meant to be taken literal, but felt
    [4:40:11 AM] Sirius 17: understood
    [4:40:15 AM] Sirius 17: contemplated
    [4:40:22 AM] Hades 88: yea i am having problems with them...i selected some of them today...but it seems still not simple enough
    [4:40:47 AM] Sirius 17: well it helps me at least if you give me the passage where you quoted it from too
    [4:40:55 AM] Hades 88: i was reading mathew
    [4:40:57 AM] Sirius 17: so i can see the contex
    [4:41:04 AM] Sirius 17: yes i see
    [4:41:13 AM] Hades 88: i cant tell u where exactly it is from
    [4:41:20 AM] Hades 88: which quote etc
    [4:41:31 AM] Hades 88: but mostly quotes are in full
    [4:41:45 AM] Sirius 17: yes and i am out of time, i have to go to class
    [4:42:18 AM] Sirius 17: Tony would be better at explaining them then me but for some reason he wants me to explain lol
    [4:42:29 AM] Sirius 17: he thinks he complicates things too much for you
    [4:43:16 AM] Hades 88: that one about saying "god why have u forsaken me" is....interesting
    [4:43:37 AM] Sirius 17: yes and he is not doubting god there
    [4:43:54 AM] Hades 88: why not?
    [4:44:18 AM] Sirius 17: try to picture yourself as Jesus there dying on the cross and see if you can feel what he meant
    [4:44:46 AM] Hades 88: he meant: wtf, where is the miracle when i need it
    [4:44:54 AM] Hades 88: ?
    [4:44:55 AM] Sirius 17: no Rok
    [4:45:14 AM] Hades 88: then for some reason they gave him vinager to drink...strange people
    [4:45:31 AM] Hades 88: vinegar
    [4:45:32 AM] Hades 88: and then
    [4:45:34 AM] Hades 88: he died
    [4:45:38 AM] Hades 88: faithless
    [4:46:03 AM] Hades 88: at least...that is how it me
    [4:46:09 AM] Sirius 17: he was not faithless, this you are not seeing right
    [4:46:24 AM] Sirius 17: yes because your just reading instead of feeling
    [4:46:47 AM] Hades 88: he was desperate?
    [4:46:53 AM] Hades 88: depressed?
    [4:46:59 AM] Hades 88: hopeless?
    [4:47:22 AM] Sirius 17: he was in anguish for humanity
    [4:47:45 AM] Sirius 17: for their ignorance to kill him thus
    [4:48:34 AM] Sirius 17: he suffered greatly not just from his physical wounds but also the pain he felt for humanity
    [4:49:15 AM] Hades 88: so why would he say he is being forsaken by the father?
    [4:49:24 AM] Hades 88: and not mean it
    [4:49:45 AM] Sirius 17: he was speaking to them Rok, the humans because they had forgotten that they are him, in lakech you know, and their ignorance killed him
    [4:50:19 AM] Hades 88: he was saying that god has forsaken the people?
    [4:50:52 AM] Sirius 17: no he was saying that the humans had forsaken themselves
    [4:51:07 AM] Sirius 17: they did not know him
    [4:51:12 AM] Sirius 17: they forgot
    [4:51:21 AM] Sirius 17: had they remembered they would not of killed him
    [4:51:27 AM] Hades 88: isnt that a bit of a leap?
    [4:51:35 AM] Hades 88: would he not pick different wording for that?
    [4:53:11 AM] Sirius 17: well those were the times and how they spoke too, but the interpretation doesn't come from reading it literally, but feeling what he was trying to convey in context with the sceen....dying on the cross, the pain he was have to try to go there in your mind and feel it.
    [4:53:29 AM] Hades 88: i admit that
    [4:53:34 AM] Hades 88: if u nail me on a stick
    [4:53:39 AM] Hades 88: i wont be worried for u
    [4:53:58 AM] Sirius 17: yes well its very deep Rok what he said and what he meant
    [4:54:56 AM] Sirius 17: and that one passage has been misinterpreted forever
    [4:55:12 AM] Sirius 17: because people just read it as literal
    [4:56:39 AM] Hades 88: well the way it is written
    [4:56:45 AM] Hades 88: does not allow a lot of freedom
    [4:56:58 AM] Hades 88: i actually avoided the "hard" parts today
    [4:57:29 AM] Sirius 17: the humans are the ones who were doing the forsaking, he was bascially saying why do you not remember me?
    [4:57:40 AM] Sirius 17: because he knows that all are divine in essence
    [4:57:56 AM] Sirius 17: yet they tortured and killed him
    [4:58:05 AM] Sirius 17: he was grieving for their total ignorance
    [4:58:32 AM] Sirius 17: and that ignorance is what died on the cross with him
    [4:58:57 AM] Sirius 17: he took it within himself and transformed it
    [4:59:51 AM] Sirius 17: he bore witness before God to their forgetfulness
    [4:59:57 AM] Sirius 17: in dying
    [5:00:45 AM] Sirius 17: but i need to get going sweety
    [5:00:52 AM] Hades 88: happy schooling
    [5:01:01 AM] Sirius 17: maybe Tony will elaborate more to you
    [5:01:15 AM] Sirius 17: :*
    [5:01:18 AM] Sirius 17: caww
    [5:01:20 AM] Hades 88: caw

    oh Raven look what i just found -

    [7:33:09 AM] Hades 88: dont know if it is true though

    [1:00:02 PM] Sirius 17: The four first Gospels were written in Aramaic, not Greek. Jesus and His disciples spoke Aramaic and Hebrew, not Greek.
    Here are the true Words Christ spoke on the cross: Jesus really cried out, "My God, My God for this I was kept" (Matt. 27:46, Orig. Text).
    [1:00:08 PM] Sirius 17: yes Rok i followed your link
    [1:00:28 PM] Sirius 17: and likely it does translate differently from the Aramaic and Hebrew
    [1:01:08 PM] Sirius 17: this was another thing i was going to mention, some meaning does get lost in translation or skewed

    [30/01/2013 10:16:48 PM] Hades 88: ------------------

    And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
    And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many

    the dead came? the spirits came? wave forms came? dead alive ones? what for?

    [12:02:26 AM] Wyzard97: I will answer this Rok, but would like Raven to address your questions first, as I tend to be too detailed with all of this
    [4:27:00 AM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: [12:02 AM] Wyzard97:
    <<< the dead came? the spirits came? wave forms came? dead alive ones? what for?
    We are a "gateway" Rok.. we were always meant to be "merged" with but never possessed.. perhaps you can figure out the difference in meanings.

    [4:27:51 AM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: and as we are a gateway
    [4:27:53 AM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥: so are they

    [6:12:55 PM] Sirius 17: [4:27 AM] Debra Lyric ♥♥♥♥♥♥:
    <<< We are a "gateway" Rok.. we were always meant to be "merged" with but never possessed.. perhaps you can figure out the difference in meanings.

    possession is just another word for you can be 'possessed' by your lower mind surrendering to it, or you can be 'possessed' by your higher mind, surrendering to that. It is also an invitation which is either accepted or not and within your control as a choice. Possession is also another word for something you either own it or it owns you.
    [6:15:47 PM] Sirius 17:
    (87) Jesus said, "Wretched is the body that is dependant upon a body, and wretched is the soul that is dependent on these two."
    (88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give to you those things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things which you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"

    [6:16:10 PM] Sirius 17:
    (108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

    [6:16:27 PM] Sirius 17: It all depends on who is doing the possessing...

    [6:18:55 PM] Sirius 17:
    (114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
    Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

    [6:22:08 PM] Sirius 17: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [6:22:13 PM] Sirius 17:
    (21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
    He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    [6:22:41 PM] Sirius 17:
    (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

    [6:23:01 PM] Sirius 17: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [6:23:06 PM] Sirius 17:
    (23) Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

    [6:26:56 PM] Sirius 17: 23=5.....therfore...the above is the key to this one...
    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

    [6:33:29 PM] Sirius 17:
    (5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

    [6:34:32 PM] Sirius 17:
    (66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."

    [6:35:22 PM] Sirius 17: 66=99...........
    (99) The disciples said to him, "Your brothers and your mother are standing outside."
    He said to them, "Those here who do the will of my father are my brothers and my mother. It is they who will enter the kingdom of my father."

    [6:36:36 PM] Sirius 17: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [6:36:42 PM] Sirius 17:
    (10) Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

    [6:36:48 PM] Sirius 17: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [6:37:07 PM] Sirius 17:
    (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

    [6:40:56 PM] Sirius 17: To Rok and anyone else, I have ordered these as a meditation. I don't know I was inspired, because this is what I see when I look at the GOT....It all points back to looking at what is right in front of your eyes...each other.

    [6:42:11 PM] Wyzard97: Appropriate replies Raven
    [6:43:09 PM] Wyzard97: So if anyone desires a more detailed decipherment of any of Rok's questions or of the GOT sayings above, ask a specific question one at a time and I shall answer it one at a time
    [6:43:16 PM] Sirius 17: The hex is real...the Logos just showed me all this lol
    [6:43:29 PM] Wyzard97: It is all 100% attuned
    [6:43:41 PM] Wyzard97: And I mean 100% not 99.99%
    [6:43:57 PM] Wyzard97: I just signed on
    [6:44:08 PM] Sirius 17: yes i saw when you came on
    [6:44:19 PM] Sirius 17: i am on fire
    [6:44:33 PM] Sirius 17: i cannot sleep or settle down, too much coming to me
    [6:50:11 PM] Sirius 17: 60=WORD=RAVEN
    (60) a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
    They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
    He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but only when he has killed it and it has become a corpse."
    They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
    He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within repose, lest you become a corpse and be eaten."

    [6:51:03 PM] Wyzard97: Aye, I felt the energy shift
    [6:51:19 PM] Sirius 17: 69=MESSAGE----(
    (69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted within themselves. It is they who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry, for the belly of him who desires will be filled."

    [6:51:47 PM] Sirius 17: you feel it too lol
    [6:52:34 PM] Sirius 17:
    (96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."

    [6:52:44 PM] Sirius 17: hahaha
    [6:52:53 PM] Wyzard97: I just commented on some 'new science' which is no such thing on starplanet
    [6:52:59 PM] Sirius 17: i finally get this one!!!
    [6:53:24 PM] Wyzard97: This is the 'interest' in the other gospels too lol
    [6:53:36 PM ] Wyzard97: Yes it has nought to do with finances in the old world
    [6:54:04 PM] Sirius 17: oh i didnt see you say anything on starplanet
    [6:54:09 PM] Wyzard97: Raven yesterday I published the 2013 chart
    [6:54:19 PM] Wyzard97: And you know why you are on fire yes?
    [6:54:32 PM] Wyzard97: What date is today (still) for you?
    [6:54:43 PM] Sirius 17: Jan 30th
    [6:54:48 PM] Sirius 17: for about 6 mins
    [6:55:01 PM] Wyzard97: Yes and this is exactly 1 year before the end of your mission
    [6:55:11 PM] Sirius 17: indeed lol
    [6:55:14 PM] Sirius 17: omg
    [6:55:21 PM] Wyzard97: Look at the chart of 2013
    [6:55:32 PM] Sirius 17: got a link hon?
    [6:55:32 PM] Wyzard97: It is profound
    [6:55:51 PM] *** Wyzard97 sent 2013.jpg 2013.jpg 2013.jpg 2013.jpg ***

    2013. add.
    [6:56:00 PM] Wyzard97: I sent this here before
    [6:56:20 PM] Sirius 17: i must of missed that or you were offline and i couldnt get it
    [6:57:34 PM] Wyzard97: I give a link to Xeia's forum
    [6:58:28 PM] Sirius 17: wow
    [6:58:54 PM] Wyzard97: Yes look specifically at the reflection of the RavenDove in the DoveRaven
    [6:58:57 PM] Sirius 17: you found the oculi tauri
    [6:59:13 PM] Wyzard97: This is what Xeia is somehow tuning into with her March intuitions
    [7:00:12 PM] Wyzard97:
    [7:00:27 PM] Wyzard97: You are on fire, because this is the 4D fact now
    [7:00:58 PM] Wyzard97: The numbers are exquisite, divine
    [7:01:15 PM] Wyzard97: 377+377-178=199+199+178
    [7:01:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes i see it
    [7:01:43 PM] Sirius 17: unreal
    [7:01:50 PM] Wyzard97: 178=89+89 as the famous 'doubling of sorrows' and the 'shortening of times of trouble'
    [7:02:03 PM] Wyzard97: And 288=144+144
    [7:02:27 PM] Wyzard97: Supercodes all there for everyone to see - and 99.99% to ignore lol
    [7:03:02 PM] Wyzard97: So Xeia's trouble now all are in their proper Logos context
    [7:03:16 PM] Sirius 17: yes the stone the builders rejected...thats US lol
    [7:03:24 PM] Wyzard97: So now we know, that chapter 19 begins June 17th, 2013
    [7:03:40 PM] Wyzard97: I dont care about old world whatever Raven
    [7:03:59 PM] Wyzard97: We are here to finish this job now, personals are peripheral, to me anyway
    [7:04:01 PM] Sirius 17: no i don't either hon, i just see the perfection in that saying
    [7:04:08 PM] Wyzard97: Let the nabsers drown in their nabs
    [7:04:35 PM] Wyzard97: The floods here came from nowwhere Raven
    [7:04:46 PM] Sirius 17: yes i was talking to Susan tonight
    [7:04:50 PM] Wyzard97: Like it says in Matthew 24, which I added in full to this chart
    [7:04:57 PM] Sirius 17: i saw it in the news all over
    [7:05:09 PM] Wyzard97: And this concurrent with the fires see the GOT?
    [7:05:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [7:05:29 PM] Wyzard97: And many old prophecies about the old world being done by water and fire?
    [7:05:44 PM] Wyzard97: But they thought this were 2 different eons, it is the one age
    [7:06:23 PM] Sirius 17: yeah, i was telling James today about this very thing, how the prophecy's in symbol are being fulfilled all over, the synchro is getting insane now
    [7:06:27 PM] Wyzard97: Logos told me today, that the time up to December 21st was sososososo important
    [7:06:52 PM] Wyzard97: Without all this labour, this new law could not have become executable from then on
    [7:07:02 PM] Sirius 17: told him that too
    [7:07:05 PM] Wyzard97: Lol
    [7:07:08 PM] Sirius 17: we unlocked it
    [7:07:13 PM] Wyzard97: Wavemind blending, logistically
    [7:07:40 PM] Wyzard97: I have not read the other xeia chat yet
    [7:07:52 PM] Sirius 17: and we are living it, and could not of been done without all of us as those that stand as ONE
    [7:07:58 PM] Wyzard97: Yes
    [7:08:16 PM] Wyzard97: As said in other words before
    [7:08:27 PM] Sirius 17: wakey wakey sleepy heads....this is more real then anything you have ever seen!!!!
    [7:08:28 PM] Wyzard97: James and Raven are the phys-phys anchor
    [7:08:37 PM] Wyzard97: RokSui is the mental-physical and Debra helped with the mental-mental
    [7:09:18 PM] Wyzard97: 0.3% are the wakey wakeys Raven
    [7:09:19 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it is way beyond personalites and 3-D BS
    [7:09:24 PM] Wyzard97: INDEED
    [7:09:43 PM] Wyzard97: 50,000/7.2 billion
    [7:10:02 PM] Sirius 17: susan said she saw ships
    [7:10:17 PM] Sirius 17: triangular ships 13 of them
    [7:10:22 PM] Wyzard97: I was wrong it is only 0.0007%
    [7:10:49 PM] Wyzard97: Susan sees many astral entities, which might not be physicalisable atm
    [7:11:11 PM] Wyzard97: But I dont know, the triangulars might be ok
    [7:11:21 PM] Sirius 17: yes well and she said they were orange and red
    [7:12:01 PM] Sirius 17: she said she was spinning her way through the hex chart and saw this
    [7:12:10 PM] Sirius 17: doing her whirling fireplace thing
    [7:12:12 PM] Wyzard97: 7/343=0.02 and describes the native Christ Consciousness in people as maximised potential. This then is 2%
    [7:12:18 PM] Sirius 17: she came up with a missing number of 9
    [7:12:36 PM] Wyzard97: Yes I answered
    [7:12:42 PM] Wyzard97: She did not see the spiral
    [7:12:54 PM] Wyzard97: Btw Raven, about Rodin toruses and similar
    [7:13:10 PM] Wyzard97: The crux in this geometry is that the Torus MUST be a Horn Torus
    [7:13:20 PM] Sirius 17: yes i see what your saying about the NABS infection, but the math is solid i feel
    [7:13:22 PM] Wyzard97: Only the Horn can manifest the wormhole funnels
    [7:13:45 PM] Wyzard97: The doughnut and spindle toruses cannot
    [7:13:57 PM] Wyzard97: So check for this
    [7:14:22 PM] Wyzard97: I have used the Rodin stuff in the McKenna thread in association with crop circles Raven
    [7:14:27 PM] Sirius 17: gah now i have to look at a horn torus, is it because the doughnut does not enfold all the dimensions and timegates?
    [7:14:52 PM] Wyzard97: The Horn Torus is the correct tangent form
    [7:15:09 PM] Wyzard97: It allows the inner curvature to be hyperbolic and the outer spheroidal
    [7:15:26 PM] Wyzard97: This is the GOT with the inner cup and the outer in disguise
    [7:15:44 PM] Sirius 17: omg wow yeah and the hex shapes in it
    [7:16:00 PM] Wyzard97: The singularity, aka the touching point of the curvatures then BECOMES the wormhole center
    [7:16:23 PM] Wyzard97: So in perfect geometry there is then NO SPACE see this?
    [7:16:52 PM] Wyzard97: But in the physical creation the imperfection becomes the spacetime minimum as the wormhole volume
    [7:16:58 PM] Wyzard97: Aka the Love Photon
    [7:17:33 PM] Wyzard97: So all is love as the nabsers claim, but in a rather engaging form and not at all easy to grasp with the human mind
    [7:18:14 PM] Wyzard97: I'll share this on starplanet, as it addresses Susan
    [7:18:16 PM] Sirius 17: interesting
    [7:19:27 PM] Sirius 17:
    [7:19:56 PM] Wyzard97: Yes, good illustration. See what I mean?[
    7:20:29 PM] Wyzard97: Xeia, the March 20th Equinox is a 10 day PRISM as a pun for a Prison
    [7:20:29 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [7:20:40 PM] Sirius 17: why i looked for it, nothing like visuals lol
    [7:20:51 PM] Wyzard97: March of Ides March 15th to March 25th as the Ides of Maria
    [7:21:56 PM] Wyzard97: Maria is another name for the Queen of the Heavens ancient, Inanna, Ishtar, Mary, MM, Sheba, DQBee, etc etc but now meaning Lilith and Kali as well in manifesto
    [7:22:19 PM] Sirius 17: yes, omg this is so unreal
    [7:23:35 PM] Sirius 17: i am in pain though, i will start my period soon too
    [7:23:41 PM] Sirius 17: i feel it
    [7:24:03 PM] Wyzard97: Here now the moons on the chart will all relate to your menses
    [7:24:21 PM] Wyzard97: Look at the hex as a collective
    [7:24:45 PM] Wyzard97: The menses become a continuum of the watery blood as encoded
    [7:24:47 PM] Sirius 17: 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    [7:25:01 PM] Wyzard97: Yes and you know more on this than most
    [7:25:18 PM] Wyzard97: It is the Maria of before of course in archetype
    [7:25:23 PM] Sirius 17: i see yes
    [7:27:15 PM] Sirius 17: oh i see now this is where Rok was quoting from
    [7:27:24 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i had not seen this post
    [7:27:31 PM] Sirius 17: busy day
    [7:27:40 PM] Sirius 17: i applied to the Radiology program today
    [7:27:49 PM] Sirius 17: i just felt i had to get it done

    [7/02/2013 - 12:07:35 AM]
    Hades 88:
    and this will be it...enough stupid shit from me for today...
    [7/02/2013 4:36:02 AM] Sirius 17: your doing fine with your examination of the GOT rok
    [7/02/2013 4:36:18 AM] Sirius 17: i am impressed
    [7/02/2013 4:36:55 AM] Sirius 17: but yes, the kingdom is 'hidden' in the sense that men do not know themselves and their true self
    [7/02/2013 4:37:20 AM] Sirius 17: its not hidden from you
    [7/02/2013 4:37:42 AM] Sirius 17: you are correct in that your ignorance has been removed
    [7/02/2013 4:38:02 AM] Sirius 17: you know more then the average human about these things
    [7/02/2013 4:39:08 AM] Sirius 17: to really understand though requires that you try to see it from the divine self and feel it
    [7/02/2013 4:39:17 AM] Sirius 17: your doing that to an extent
    [7/02/2013 4:39:35 AM] Sirius 17: it cannot really be understood in depth from the human mind
    [7/02/2013 4:39:43 AM] Sirius 17: this is the hidden part
    [7/02/2013 4:40:12 AM] Sirius 17: and it requires a leap of faith and imagination to see fully
    [7/02/2013 4:41:18 AM] Sirius 17:
    (82) Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."

    [7/02/2013 4:41:29 AM] Sirius 17: so now you know that the fire means being near Jesus
    [7/02/2013 4:41:33 AM] Sirius 17: the Logos
    [7/02/2013 4:42:21 AM] Sirius 17:
    (108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

    [7/02/2013 4:42:32 AM] Sirius 17: this one is a little tricky
    [7/02/2013 4:43:22 AM] Sirius 17: and i tried to explain this before, you have to imagine yourself as Jesus and try to feel what he is saying, get out of your human mind
    [7/02/2013 4:43:29 AM] Sirius 17: and into his
    [7/02/2013 4:44:26 AM] Sirius 17: and it is a female mind
    [7/02/2013 4:44:40 AM] Sirius 17: it just knows things, pure sophia
    [7/02/2013 4:44:49 AM] Sirius 17: call it your gut feelings
    [7/02/2013 4:45:33 AM] Sirius 17: this is why Tony asked you to try to invoke your femme
    [7/02/2013 4:45:43 AM] Sirius 17: try to see yourself as Xeia
    [7/02/2013 4:46:04 AM] Sirius 17: because he was trying to show you what this divine mind is like
    [7/02/2013 4:47:59 AM] Sirius 17: this is how Tony is close to the fire, through MI
    [7/02/2013 4:48:16 AM] Sirius 17: and MI is the wavemind of JCCJ
    [7/02/2013 4:48:44 AM] Sirius 17: he sees through her eyes
    [7/02/2013 4:48:50 AM] Sirius 17: not his human mind
    [7/02/2013 4:50:00 AM] Sirius 17: your MM is in Xeia and is this same wavemind
    [7/02/2013 4:50:03 AM] Sirius 17: as her IM is in you
    [7/02/2013 4:50:38 AM] Sirius 17: blended as one now
    [7/02/2013 4:50:44 AM] Sirius 17: try to feel this
    [7/02/2013 4:52:02 AM] Sirius 17: i am sure by now you have some recognition of it, since you cannot stop thinking about Xeia and she about you
    [7/02/2013 4:52:34 AM] Sirius 17: it is a primal longing
    [7/02/2013 4:53:54 AM] Sirius 17: Allisiam is my wavemind and so through her i see
    [7/02/2013 4:54:47 AM] Sirius 17: so i can choose to spend my mental time in the human mind which cant see or i can take the leap of faith into the higher mind
    [7/02/2013 4:55:33 AM] Sirius 17: its like a different set of eyes really
    [7/02/2013 4:56:06 AM] Sirius 17: but the more time you spend with it the more you understand
    [7/02/2013 4:56:54 AM] Sirius 17: humans are conditioned to see with only one set of eyes
    [7/02/2013 4:57:08 AM] Sirius 17: not realising they have other eyes
    [7/02/2013 4:57:54 AM] Sirius 17: your human mind will doubt that you even do have another set of eyes
    [7/02/2013 4:58:00 AM] Sirius 17: it will question everything
    [7/02/2013 4:58:19 AM] Sirius 17: its the beast in a sense
    [7/02/2013 4:58:29 AM] Sirius 17: but it can be tamed
    [7/02/2013 4:58:33 AM] Sirius 17: subdued
    [7/02/2013 4:58:52 AM] Hades 88: it does do that yes
    [7/02/2013 4:59:21 AM] Hades 88: how am i to see myself as that not like...amm presumptuous
    [7/02/2013 4:59:32 AM] Sirius 17: with your imagination hon
    [7/02/2013 4:59:45 AM] Sirius 17: no one gives imagination any credit
    [7/02/2013 4:59:50 AM] Hades 88: u speak of the "perfect being" and i am to persume that is me?
    [7/02/2013 4:59:53 AM] Sirius 17: but it is the bridge
    [7/02/2013 5:00:05 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [7/02/2013 5:00:20 AM] Hades 88: Jesus was free of sin...i am not
    [7/02/2013 5:00:53 AM] Sirius 17:
    (67) Jesus said, "If one who knows the all still feels a personal deficiency, he is completely deficient."

    [7/02/2013 5:01:09 AM] Sirius 17: you must not be afraid to see through his eyes
    [7/02/2013 5:01:13 AM] Sirius 17: or doubt yourself
    [7/02/2013 5:01:16 AM] Hades 88: so i am deficient?
    [7/02/2013 5:01:25 AM] Sirius 17: if you think you are, read what it says
    [7/02/2013 5:01:59 AM] Hades 88: so only if i think i am, if i think i am prima donna then i am that?
    [7/02/2013 5:02:11 AM] Sirius 17: do you think Jesus is a primadona?
    [7/02/2013 5:02:19 AM] Sirius 17: that is your human mind talking
    [7/02/2013 5:02:30 AM] Hades 88: no no
    [7/02/2013 5:02:34 AM] Hades 88: i meant...
    [7/02/2013 5:03:00 AM] Sirius 17: try not to think when approaching his mind Rok, just feel it, bring no thoughts and no fear
    [7/02/2013 5:03:04 AM] Hades 88: i "sinned" if i think of myself as capo di banda...that that makes it ok to also think of myself as Jesus?
    [7/02/2013 5:03:18 AM] Hades 88: i dont know hot to feel the GOT
    [7/02/2013 5:03:23 AM] Sirius 17: sinning means to miss the mark
    [7/02/2013 5:03:47 AM] Sirius 17: its an archery term
    [7/02/2013 5:03:54 AM] Sirius 17: aim for the bullseye
    [7/02/2013 5:04:09 AM] Sirius 17: the more you practice the better you will get
    [7/02/2013 5:05:03 AM] Hades 88: so it does not matter if i do bad...i can see myself as Jesus no matter what i do in my "spare time" ?
    [7/02/2013 5:05:44 AM] Sirius 17: no Rok, you cannot be a hypocrite and see this
    [7/02/2013 5:05:58 AM] Sirius 17: just be pure in your heart and intention
    [7/02/2013 5:06:15 AM] Sirius 17: forget all that shit about what people say about sinning and guilt and BS
    [7/02/2013 5:06:39 AM] Sirius 17: God created the light and darkness
    [7/02/2013 5:06:42 AM] Sirius 17: good and evil
    [7/02/2013 5:07:05 AM] Sirius 17: both aspects of his divine being
    [7/02/2013 5:07:46 AM] Hades 88: reading something as GOT and not thinking...that is like taking a drug or something...not sure
    [7/02/2013 5:08:02 AM] Hades 88: can go either way
    [7/02/2013 5:08:05 AM] Hades 88: bad or good
    [7/02/2013 5:08:22 AM] Sirius 17: no its like trying to remove any doubt and your silly thinking, just feel the words within you
    [7/02/2013 5:08:34 AM] Sirius 17: hear only the words
    [7/02/2013 5:08:54 AM] Hades 88: "feeling the words in me"....that is like telling me to see sound
    [7/02/2013 5:09:08 AM] Sirius 17: which is possible by the way
    [7/02/2013 5:09:14 AM] Hades 88: and hear color?
    [7/02/2013 5:09:16 AM] Sirius 17: yep
    [7/02/2013 5:09:23 AM] Hades 88: well..i cant do that
    [7/02/2013 5:09:34 AM] Sirius 17: because you tell yourself you can't
    [7/02/2013 5:09:42 AM] Sirius 17: who told you that you can't?
    [7/02/2013 5:10:34 AM] Sirius 17: remove the word can't out of your vocabulary lol
    [7/02/2013 5:10:38 AM] Sirius 17: useless
    [7/02/2013 5:11:13 AM] Sirius 17: you have mental dicipline Rok, use it to your advantage
    [7/02/2013 5:12:15 AM] Sirius 17: if you get even a glimpse of this mind Rok you will understand humanites problem is one of self confidence
    [7/02/2013 5:12:58 AM] Sirius 17: it doesn't think its worthy
    [7/02/2013 5:13:03 AM] Sirius 17: to understand
    [7/02/2013 5:13:05 AM] Sirius 17: to know
    [7/02/2013 5:13:27 AM] Sirius 17: and it cannot know without removing those thoughts
    [7/02/2013 5:13:38 AM] Sirius 17: this is how you stand naked before the throne of God
    [7/02/2013 5:13:51 AM] Sirius 17: without shame
    [7/02/2013 5:14:10 AM] Sirius 17: your shame will not be let in
    [7/02/2013 5:14:21 AM] Sirius 17: nor your doubt
    [7/02/2013 5:14:24 AM] Sirius 17: or your fears
    [7/02/2013 5:14:30 AM] Sirius 17: leave them at the door
    [7/02/2013 5:15:42 AM] Hades 88: i dont deserve to be Jesus
    [7/02/2013 5:15:46 AM] Sirius 17:
    (2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

    [7/02/2013 5:16:01 AM] Sirius 17: see my point
    [7/02/2013 5:16:41 AM] Hades 88: i dont deserve to be Jesus and given me ...who i i would be like self deception for me to say i can feel the GOT and not lie to myself and you and others
    [7/02/2013 5:17:45 AM] Sirius 17:

    Matthew 7:7-8
    King James Version (KJV)
    7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
    8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

    [7/02/2013 5:18:57 AM] Sirius 17: well as long as you think these things Rok then you will not open the door
    [7/02/2013 5:19:25 AM] Sirius 17: who said your not worthy
    [7/02/2013 5:19:42 AM] Sirius 17: the father of lies
    [7/02/2013 5:20:02 AM] Sirius 17: don't listen
    [7/02/2013 5:20:49 AM] Sirius 17:
    (17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

    [7/02/2013 5:21:16 AM] Sirius 17: and it will never occur to the HUMAN mind because its fucked rok
    [7/02/2013 5:21:32 AM] Sirius 17: its a big fake
    [7/02/2013 5:21:35 AM] Hades 88: oh i like this one yes
    [7/02/2013 5:21:46 AM] Hades 88: badass 17th one
    [7/02/2013 5:22:07 AM] Hades 88: what i can tell xeia in bed... heh
    [7/02/2013 5:22:19 AM] Hades 88: hmnja....if only
    [7/02/2013 5:22:20 AM] Sirius 17: yes see these are divine thoughts
    [7/02/2013 5:22:33 AM] Sirius 17: exactly what ABBA wants
    [7/02/2013 5:22:54 AM] Sirius 17: and humans think sex is sin?
    [7/02/2013 5:22:58 AM] Sirius 17: see how fucked up they think
    [7/02/2013 5:23:26 AM] Sirius 17: the world is almost exactly opposite to the kingdom
    [7/02/2013 5:24:36 AM] Sirius 17:
    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

    [7/02/2013 5:24:45 AM] Sirius 17: in the begining there was no separation
    [7/02/2013 5:24:51 AM] Sirius 17: you were All things
    [7/02/2013 5:24:56 AM] Hades 88: Raven
    [7/02/2013 5:25:03 AM] Hades 88: i think it is the 13th
    [7/02/2013 5:25:05 AM] Hades 88: not sure
    [7/02/2013 5:25:32 AM] Hades 88: where he takes Thomas away to tell him things
    [7/02/2013 5:25:36 AM] Hades 88: u know which one?
    [7/02/2013 5:25:56 AM] Sirius 17:
    (13) Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like."
    Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
    Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
    Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like."
    Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
    And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
    Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up."

    [7/02/2013 5:25:58 AM] Sirius 17: this one
    [7/02/2013 5:26:04 AM] Hades 88: yes this one
    [7/02/2013 5:26:12 AM] Sirius 17: yes and you know what he said to Thomas right
    [7/02/2013 5:26:13 AM] Hades 88: what did Jesus say to him?
    [7/02/2013 5:26:37 AM] Sirius 17: he said "I am you, you are him, and he is me"
    [7/02/2013 5:26:58 AM] Hades 88: we are all one?
    [7/02/2013 5:27:03 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [7/02/2013 5:27:13 AM] Hades 88: i thought it was something more juicy
    [7/02/2013 5:27:25 AM] Sirius 17: but with individual personalities, we still come from the same source
    [7/02/2013 5:27:45 AM] Sirius 17: this was Jesus's whole message
    [7/02/2013 5:28:06 AM] Sirius 17: that the bigger picture is that we are all One
    [7/02/2013 5:28:13 AM] Sirius 17: One in Many and Many in One
    [7/02/2013 5:28:49 AM] Hades 88: cant help myself but to think of the borg
    [7/02/2013 5:28:57 AM] Sirius 17: why he says to guard your brother with the pupil of your eye and other such things
    [7/02/2013 5:29:12 AM] Sirius 17: because everyone is a reflection of yourself
    [7/02/2013 5:29:17 AM] Sirius 17: a part of you
    [7/02/2013 5:29:23 AM] Sirius 17: no this is not borg
    [7/02/2013 5:29:48 AM] Sirius 17: its the uniqueness and individuality that is precious to God and all of us
    [7/02/2013 5:30:02 AM] Sirius 17: but our creation stemed from that One source
    [7/02/2013 5:30:07 AM] Sirius 17: and it gave us life
    [7/02/2013 5:30:19 AM] Sirius 17: to be able to pursue our own beingness
    [7/02/2013 5:30:46 AM] Sirius 17: but everything you see is sacred and worthy
    [7/02/2013 5:31:03 AM] Sirius 17: it just doesn't all remember that
    [7/02/2013 5:31:17 AM] Sirius 17: so it has been behaving really bad in its ignorance
    [7/02/2013 5:32:10 AM] Sirius 17: and it has a huge self esteem problem
    [7/02/2013 5:32:14 AM] Sirius 17: as you can see
    [7/02/2013 5:32:33 AM] Hades 88: and if one comes to not just know and understand but also feel all of this
    [7/02/2013 5:32:37 AM] Hades 88: what changes?
    [7/02/2013 5:32:41 AM] Hades 88: what is different
    [7/02/2013 5:32:43 AM] Sirius 17: everything
    [7/02/2013 5:32:58 AM] Sirius 17: because its all holographically connected
    [7/02/2013 5:33:14 AM] Sirius 17: the change is within you and everyone else
    [7/02/2013 5:33:17 AM] Sirius 17: now
    [7/02/2013 5:33:26 AM] Sirius 17: why Jesus says the kingdom is already here
    [7/02/2013 5:33:34 AM] Sirius 17: but you are yet to recognize it
    [7/02/2013 5:33:43 AM] Sirius 17: he came to know
    [7/02/2013 5:33:47 AM] Sirius 17: to understand
    [7/02/2013 5:33:52 AM] Sirius 17: why he is the template
    [7/02/2013 5:34:02 AM] Sirius 17: and our true divine beingness
    [7/02/2013 5:34:26 AM] Sirius 17: so i am not telling you to get to know Jesus, i am telling you to get to know yourself lol
    [7/02/2013 5:34:40 AM] Sirius 17: everyone has their own personal Jesus
    [7/02/2013 5:34:44 AM] Sirius 17: in the Manyness
    [7/02/2013 5:34:58 AM] Sirius 17: unique as they are
    [7/02/2013 5:35:17 AM] Hades 88: yes but
    [7/02/2013 5:35:31 AM] Hades 88: on every day to day basis...nothing changes...
    [7/02/2013 5:35:33 AM] Sirius 17: it is your image which God created and thought of before the universe, before creation happened
    [7/02/2013 5:36:14 AM] Sirius 17: well what is it that you expect to change, you must first change your mind, the rest follows
    [7/02/2013 5:36:29 AM] Sirius 17: you did not have a body before a soul
    [7/02/2013 5:36:47 AM] Hades 88: what i expect o change? well there are promises of kingdom
    [7/02/2013 5:36:59 AM] Hades 88: yes i am selfish
    [7/02/2013 5:37:00 AM] Sirius 17: yes and you are the kingdom
    [7/02/2013 5:37:11 AM] Hades 88: well will i change?
    [7/02/2013 5:37:22 AM] Hades 88: or will i still have to go and do the 9 to 5 ?
    [7/02/2013 5:37:28 AM] Sirius 17: i suspect all of it will
    [7/02/2013 5:37:39 AM] Sirius 17: but it will take time Rok
    [7/02/2013 5:37:53 AM] Sirius 17: things move slower in 3-D
    [7/02/2013 5:38:05 AM] Hades 88: if i had a penny every time i am told that
    [7/02/2013 5:38:14 AM] Sirius 17: i know you are both impatient
    [7/02/2013 5:38:21 AM] Hades 88: u know what this is Raven...
    [7/02/2013 5:38:26 AM] Hades 88: should tell Tony this too
    [7/02/2013 5:38:31 AM] Hades 88: this "slow motion"
    [7/02/2013 5:38:37 AM] Hades 88: it is a seriouse design flaw
    [7/02/2013 5:39:02 AM] Hades 88: and if there is software for it...then it can be updated or hotfixed....
    [7/02/2013 5:39:03 AM] Hades 88: but
    [7/02/2013 5:39:04 AM] Sirius 17: yes it is slow motion and no its the perfect design because we CAN FEEL and have bodies and all that
    [7/02/2013 5:39:12 AM] Hades 88: what we are getting are actually stealth nerfs
    [7/02/2013 5:39:15 AM] Hades 88: so yea..
    [7/02/2013 5:39:42 AM] Hades 88: perfect? no
    [7/02/2013 5:39:54 AM] Hades 88: it should go from scrolls to touch screens Raven
    [7/02/2013 5:40:01 AM] Hades 88: u can still do it all
    [7/02/2013 5:40:04 AM] Hades 88: just...better
    [7/02/2013 5:40:06 AM] Hades 88: u know
    [7/02/2013 5:40:30 AM] Sirius 17: well the hotfix is us Rok
    [7/02/2013 5:40:39 AM] Sirius 17: we are living the rewrite
    [7/02/2013 5:41:12 AM] Sirius 17: but i need to go now sweety, i have to get to class
    [7/02/2013 5:41:44 AM] Sirius 17: (hug)
    [7/02/2013 5:42:13 AM] Hades 88: ok
    [7/02/2013 5:42:36 AM] Hades 88: class? what for...if u are to find a kingdom within
    [7/02/2013 5:42:42 AM] Hades 88: strange to me all of this
    [7/02/2013 5:42:54 AM] Hades 88: but...have fun
    [7/02/2013 5:43:49 AM] Sirius 17: well the kingdom is within and off to class i go
    [7/02/2013 7:59:41 AM] Hades 88:

    [12:46:01 AM-February 8th, 2013 - +11UCT]
    Wyzard97: Just to let you know; I had a major computer breakdown, now fixed - I hope.
    [12:46:40 AM] Wyzard97: I finished the chart and published it; but it is like the Rosetta Stone, so I dont think anyone can make sense of it
    [12:47:14 AM] Wyzard97: I did not emphasize its importance therefore, and simply added it to the 'shortening of times' chart
    [12:48:07 AM] Wyzard97: However anyone familiar with bible codes will see that this is the culmination of it and therefore a big paradigm shifter
    [1:04:23 AM] Wyzard97:!-!GKLGHE!-!g10Boy7r72y1nq%2Fadd.jpg
    [1:04:37 AM] Wyzard97: You can blow up the chart to bigger size here
    [1:05:06 AM] Wyzard97: Reducing it to normal makes it hard to read, due to the interwoven complexity engaged in the decoder
    [2:40:49 AM] Hades 88: hi Tony...u were infected?
    [2:42:30 AM] Wyzard97: Boot up issues and my original W7 disk was unreadable, so I had to make a Usb
    [2:43:03 AM] Hades 88: u made a bootable usb for win? nice
    [2:43:08 AM] Wyzard97: Yes
    [2:43:32 AM] Wyzard97: Had to; I found a russian dude who had a program
    [2:43:44 AM] Wyzard97: But I had to install XP just to get on the web
    [2:44:26 AM] Wyzard97: Then there were file conflicts after 'updating'
    [2:44:51 AM] Hades 88:
    [2:45:24 AM] Wyzard97: Yes, I used an iso file
    [2:46:06 AM] Wyzard97: It works now and I backupped and installed W7 on 2 harddrives too
    [2:46:44 AM] Hades 88: u can also use acronis to backup your system and files
    [2:46:55 AM] Wyzard97: I have an external hd
    [2:47:15 AM] Hades 88: yes u make an image of ur system...put it on some external drive
    [2:47:23 AM] Wyzard97: I did
    [2:47:35 AM] Hades 88: and then u restore the entire system and files to be exact as when u made the image
    [2:47:54 AM] Wyzard97: I dont know if it works but I made an image in W7
    [2:48:16 AM] Wyzard97: It was just funny timing this happened
    [2:48:29 AM] Wyzard97: In synch with the charts
    [2:48:49 AM] Hades 88: use acronis for this
    [2:48:49 AM] Wyzard97: I knew I had to publish by Feb 8th and so it turned out
    [2:49:00 AM] Hades 88:
    [2:49:05 AM] Hades 88: pirate it from online
    [2:49:08 AM] Wyzard97: I remember the link rok
    [2:49:33 AM] Hades 88: try here
    [2:49:34 AM] Hades 88: or pirate bay
    [2:49:35 AM] Wyzard97: GmbH, German lol
    [2:49:41 AM] Wyzard97: should be good
    [2:54:33 AM] Wyzard97:
    [3:08:28 AM] Hades 88: try this one
    [3:08:35 AM] Hades 88: it is newer version
    [3:10:56 AM] Wyzard97: thanks, yes I used kickass before
    [4:16:52 AM] Wyzard97:
    [4:50:33 AM] Sirius 17: hey Tony
    [4:50:35 AM] Sirius 17: how are you?
    [4:52:48 AM] Sirius 17: great timing on the computer crash lol, glad your back up and working
    [4:54:00 AM] Sirius 17: i am just getting ready to head to class soon, i checked in here though and saw you were online
    [4:55:31 AM] Sirius 17: the chart is cool, yeah i saw that comet too, near miss they say it is interesting it fits the codes lol
    [5:22:50 AM] Sirius 17: well this is dead grandmother is talking to me
    [5:25:44 AM] Sirius 17: i went to get coffee and gas and on the way home she started talking to me lol
    [5:26:12 AM] Hades 88: ?
    [5:27:18 AM] Sirius 17: its sort of an ass chewing....and details on my grandfather and dead cousin
    [5:28:28 AM] Sirius 17: apparently she has been with me this whole time and now i finally hear her
    [5:29:17 AM] Wyzard97: Excellent
    [5:29:24 AM] Wyzard97: You know why lol
    [5:29:39 AM] Sirius 17: oh she won't shut up seriously lol
    [5:30:01 AM] Hades 88: what do u hear?
    [5:30:07 AM] Wyzard97: Yes, this is what I said recall?
    [5:30:20 AM] Wyzard97: The resonances are activated
    [5:30:37 AM] Wyzard97: It is all Logos Rok
    [5:30:38 AM] Sirius 17: she said that her and my grandfather are reunited and have resolved their differences
    [5:30:50 AM] Sirius 17: she is pissed i am still smoking
    [5:30:54 AM] Wyzard97: You must begin to trust and you will hear this too
    [5:30:57 AM] Hades 88: amm can u ask questions?
    [5:31:16 AM] Sirius 17: she said that i was born into my generations and they live in me
    [5:31:20 AM] Sirius 17: whatever that means
    [5:31:28 AM] Wyzard97: Your gens are the 4th
    [5:31:37 AM] Sirius 17: and my cousin Tony is with her
    [5:31:41 AM] Wyzard97: And it contains 3-2-1
    [5:32:01 AM] Hades 88: Raven can u ask things? Like can u ask her to describe to you where she is and how it looks like?
    [5:32:25 AM] Sirius 17: he is somehow part of me too and she is telling me to trust my feelings, she is giving me images of my whole life holy shit
    [5:32:44 AM] Wyzard97:

    Genesis 15:15-17
    King James Version (KJV)

    15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

    16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

    17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

    [5:32:57 AM] Wyzard97: This is your situs Raven
    [5:33:21 AM] Wyzard97: The 'iniquity' is resolved in the 'judgement'
    [5:33:21 AM] Sirius 17: she wants me to forgive myself
    [5:33:31 AM] Sirius 17: for what happened with my cousin
    [5:33:35 AM] Wyzard97: Beginning February 8th lol today
    [5:33:40 AM] Sirius 17: she showed me why it happened omg i am crying
    [5:34:03 AM] Wyzard97: The burning lamp is the 'flaming sword' guarding Eden
    [5:34:17 AM] Wyzard97: The door has opened there
    [5:34:31 AM] Sirius 17: she thinks James is dead sexy
    [5:34:34 AM] Wyzard97: This is all code Rok not 3D expert interpretations
    [5:35:04 AM] Wyzard97: 3D is officially finished, even if it looks like business as usual
    [5:35:15 AM] Hades 88: raven can u ask questions?
    [5:35:15 AM] Wyzard97: This thing of Raven's should show you something
    [5:35:20 AM] Sirius 17: omg i am overwhelmed atm, she is flooding me with memories
    [5:35:40 AM] Wyzard97: Of course Rok, but the answer depends on your filtering mechanics
    [5:35:54 AM] Wyzard97: This is the resonance
    [5:35:54 AM] Sirius 17: yes i can ask her anything she says
    [5:36:04 AM] Hades 88: well raven should filter better than average?
    [5:36:15 AM] Hades 88: ask her where she is and how does it look like over there
    [5:36:23 AM] Wyzard97: Raven is Logos resonating because of the GOT and her open heart to it Rok
    [5:36:28 AM] Wyzard97: This is all this is
    [5:36:37 AM] Wyzard97: no fancy knowledge or something
    [5:36:56 AM] Sirius 17: its not 'over' there it is right here
    [5:37:04 AM] Wyzard97: I know what this chart signifies
    [5:37:15 AM] Wyzard97: Yes the unseen multiD cosmos
    [5:37:32 AM] Sirius 17: she says she can finally see again and she wont quit talking and showing me
    [5:37:48 AM] Hades 88: can she tell u about the shift?
    [5:37:49 AM] Wyzard97: micro cosmos within = macrocosmos without Rok
    [5:38:00 AM] Sirius 17: i am living the shift lol
    [5:38:10 AM] Wyzard97: Yes and it is not Feb 8th yet
    [5:38:16 AM] Sirius 17: my grandmother is living in me and has been here the whole time
    [5:38:20 AM] Wyzard97: It is here so
    [5:38:24 AM] Sirius 17: and i only felt her
    [5:38:30 AM] Sirius 17: i had no idea
    [5:38:36 AM] Sirius 17: no idea
    [5:38:44 AM] Wyzard97: 5 hours to go UCT so 6 hours Rok time
    [5:38:46 AM] Hades 88: i meant the shift as in final change...when things are no longer as they are now
    [5:38:58 AM] Wyzard97: This is now Rok
    [5:39:09 AM] Hades 88: but now all is as it was...for me that is
    [5:39:27 AM] Sirius 17: Tony she spoke to me at about 10:15 my time by estimate
    [5:39:29 AM] Sirius 17: am
    [5:39:30 AM] Wyzard97: From March 4th and then June 17th the outside airspace can reconfigure perhaps top allow physicalisations 4D
    [5:39:45 AM] Wyzard97: 10:15 today?
    [5:39:48 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:39:54 AM] Sirius 17: on my way home from coffee
    [5:40:00 AM] Wyzard97: What is your time now?
    [5:40:01 AM] Sirius 17: want to know the first thing she said?
    [5:40:08 AM] Sirius 17: its 10:38
    [5:40:14 AM] Wyzard97: Sure would be like my MI lol
    [5:40:28 AM] Wyzard97: Debbie has changed too
    [5:40:49 AM] Sirius 17: she said you know you need to quit smoking and if you don't i am going to kick your ass, i hear her loud and clear and i was wtf is going on, i turned around
    [5:40:58 AM] Wyzard97: I just cleaned my oven lol at that time
    [5:41:07 AM] Sirius 17: i thought she was in the back seat
    [5:41:23 AM] Wyzard97: Yes like MI I knew it was NOT from my head or imaginations, Rok
    [5:41:42 AM] Wyzard97: Back March 24th, 1995
    [5:41:54 AM] Sirius 17: well then i thought that, maybe i am imagining things but she began to flood my mind with memories that i have not even remembered for years
    [5:42:00 AM] Sirius 17: and kept talking
    [5:42:09 AM] Wyzard97: Yes this is the evidence, lol
    [5:42:13 AM] Hades 88: she affected by time? eg....can she see what will happen and when?
    [5:42:39 AM] Sirius 17: she says what kind of a question is that Rok
    [5:42:53 AM] Wyzard97: If they 'talk like that' Rok, it means they were somehow allowed to CRYSTALLIZE from the 'ocean'
    [5:43:01 AM] Hades 88: does time exist for her as past present and future?
    [5:43:11 AM] Wyzard97: the snowflake reassembled BUT inside another snowflake
    [5:43:13 AM] Sirius 17: as it does you
    [5:43:29 AM] Wyzard97: I am trying to 'show' Raven
    [5:43:40 AM] Sirius 17: she is within me Rok, she senses the flow of time but her memory is timeless she says
    [5:43:42 AM] Wyzard97: This is VERY RARE Rok
    [5:43:51 AM] Wyzard97: Once dead you must recycle
    [5:44:08 AM] Hades 88: if her memory has no time...can she tell us the future of how will things develop and when
    [5:44:08 AM] Wyzard97: In divers fashion as you lose your snowflake uniqueness
    [5:44:17 AM] Sirius 17: she could feel me smoking and it pissed her off
    [5:44:30 AM] Wyzard97: Yes she is like Debbie now
    [5:44:33 AM] Sirius 17: i did not have her in my mind
    [5:44:36 AM] Wyzard97: I felt the same thing with her
    [5:44:41 AM] Sirius 17: she came in like out of no where lol
    [5:44:44 AM] Wyzard97: she is SLOWLY manifesting
    [5:45:08 AM] Sirius 17: i was thinking about coming home, waking up James and heading to class
    [5:45:12 AM] Sirius 17: and boom
    [5:45:15 AM] Wyzard97: It is like an integration
    [5:45:26 AM] Sirius 17: yes and she wants me to remember things
    [5:45:30 AM] Wyzard97: NOT at all like a rebirth after conception
    [5:45:48 AM] Wyzard97: It is like a walk-in and then adjusting to the environment
    [5:45:57 AM] Wyzard97: why the smoking came up
    [5:46:00 AM] Sirius 17: and she said Rose is with her too
    [5:46:04 AM] Wyzard97: It is a nono such addictions
    [5:46:13 AM] Wyzard97: They are addicted to something though
    [5:46:20 AM] Sirius 17: and wow, it gets heavy
    [5:46:29 AM] Hades 88: [5:43 AM] Hades 88:
    <<< if her memory has no time...can she tell us the future of how will things develop and when
    [5:46:34 AM] Wyzard97: You know WHAT the dead are addicted to Rok?
    [5:46:43 AM] Hades 88: to life?
    [5:46:54 AM] Wyzard97: Yes, but in particular?
    [5:47:05 AM] Wyzard97: Raven knows
    [5:47:14 AM] Sirius 17: apparently Rose's dead son and my cousin Tony are like twins in a way too
    [5:47:24 AM] Sirius 17: they both commited suicide
    [5:47:37 AM] Wyzard97: This might be the 'link' here
    [5:47:38 AM] Sirius 17: some pact they made she is saying
    [5:47:49 AM] Wyzard97: SEX Rok
    [5:47:58 AM] Hades 88: i was thinking just that yes
    [5:48:01 AM] Wyzard97: They absolutely crave it
    [5:48:03 AM] Hades 88: but i rather kept it back
    [5:48:08 AM] Hades 88: [5:43 AM] Hades 88:
    <<< if her memory has no time...can she tell us the future of how will things develop and when

    [5:48:24 AM] Wyzard97: Lol this hesitance results in your 3D questions
    [5:48:44 AM] Wyzard97: Yes, what would she say to this Raven?
    [5:49:05 AM] Wyzard97: Co-creation, is my guess
    [5:49:18 AM] Sirius 17: she said it will develop when your ready to listen to what is within you
    [5:49:26 AM] Wyzard97: Lol
    [5:49:37 AM] Wyzard97: Typical and as to be expected
    [5:49:39 AM] Hades 88: i am asking in general..for global events affecting us all not just me
    [5:50:03 AM] Hades 88: i am asking about contact, going to work, political leaders, money
    [5:50:11 AM] Hades 88: etc
    [5:50:44 AM] Sirius 17: i am not getting anything from her on that atm, she is more wanting to show me things about connections to my past and future selves
    [5:50:59 AM] Hades 88: well try to get the answer to that one...
    [5:51:17 AM] Wyzard97: You ought to ask the GOT way Rok
    [5:51:28 AM] Hades 88: why?
    [5:51:41 AM] Wyzard97: Ok, ask her if the scriptures are opened, Raven
    [5:51:51 AM] Sirius 17: but i must get going now i have to get to my class hon
    [5:52:02 AM] Sirius 17: she says of course you have your proof
    [5:52:17 AM] Wyzard97: Because they are alive Rok, but DEPENDENT on the encompassment
    [5:52:47 AM] Wyzard97: They are NOT like you coming from the independence in individuality
    [5:52:54 AM] Wyzard97: It is the other way around
    [5:53:14 AM] Wyzard97: So it is tricky to be specific IN GENERALITIES
    [5:53:18 AM] Hades 88: well i guess they are not bound by time...dead people dont have to get up in the morning for work or be on time for the post office....
    [5:53:23 AM] Sirius 17: they have been set free in a new world she said
    [5:53:29 AM] Wyzard97: Why she focuses on Raven personally as HER encompassment
    [5:53:29 AM] Sirius 17: this is a new scripture
    [5:53:35 AM] Wyzard97: Nice
    [5:53:39 AM] Wyzard97: YES
    [5:53:51 AM] Wyzard97: Old bible is basically SOLVED cosmically
    [5:53:55 AM] Hades 88: wonder if any dead one is around me...
    [5:54:01 AM] Wyzard97: Many Rok
    [5:54:03 AM] Sirius 17: she said yes Rok
    [5:54:04 AM] Wyzard97: waiting
    [5:54:10 AM] Sirius 17: they are there
    [5:54:14 AM] Sirius 17: and she knows them
    [5:54:19 AM] Wyzard97: And you began to ask see?
    [5:54:30 AM] Hades 88: if she knows them? who is it ?
    [5:54:57 AM] Wyzard97: Happy bd to James
    [5:55:10 AM] Wyzard97: Tell him to have a beer on me
    [5:55:16 AM] Sirius 17: still the 7th here but yeah i will tell him
    [5:55:27 AM] Sirius 17: but i gotta run for now
    [5:55:30 AM] Wyzard97: 13 hours to go for you
    [5:55:39 AM] Wyzard97: Good News Raven
    [5:56:00 AM] Wyzard97: Nice validation of the chart, which effectively ended my purpose for being here
    [5:56:17 AM] Sirius 17: :*
    [5:56:18 AM] Wyzard97: Mission accomplished, and you witnessed it again
    [5:56:22 AM] Sirius 17: talk to you guys later
    [5:56:37 AM] Wyzard97: Take care
    Sirius 17
    Hades 88

    Post last edited Jun 24th 2013

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