First Imagine It~then Image It

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  1. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member


    Higher D Cartoon.
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  2. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member

    Kingdom without.

    Kingdom within.
    The ant running around in the garden is IMAGED in spacetimematter (the Kingdom within) from an OBJECT in nonspacetimematter (the Kingdom without).

    So INSIDE, the ant becomes an object relative to the image OUTSIDE and vice versa.

    But OUTSIDE no spacetimematter exists and so the ant finds itself IN EXILE relative to itself.

    The objectivity of the ant in the kingdom of the omniverse (or heaven) is METAPHYSICAL and exists as a form of ENERGY of the VOID.
    But this allows any many ants as can be provided for in the inner world to exist; ALL of them as images of the ONE GodAnt in the outer world.

    Then the frog who eats the ant for sustenance and the humanoid who squashes the ant accidentally or purposefully are also like wise imaged and mirrored between the two worlds.

    The ONE GodFrog in the outer so partakes in whatever psychosomatic evolution occurs not just as a member of the FrogWorld (or species), but also in all its environmental interactions, such as eating other godforms or being eaten by them.

    And there are many godforms; from the hydrogen atom to the crystals, the polio virus, bacteria, mosquitoes, fleas, snails, ants, worms, sparrows, monkeys, bonobos orang-utans, elephants, dogs and cats, whales and humanoids.

    All individual members of some godform; upon for whatever reason; leaving their embodiments so SHARE their individuated experiences (of being born, eating, copulating, having a good time, having a bad time, getting old and wrinkly, thinking, experiencing sensual pleasurements and dying) with their ONENESS godform on the nonspacetimematter side of the 'Great Divide' or the 'Abyss of the Bottomless Pit'.


    The Mathimatia is the GodGod encompassing all of the godforms however.

    The Mathimatia is also the archetype for the ultimate selfishness; it wants more and more of ITSELF as a kaleidoscope of godforms to multiply and diverse in individualities.

    And the Mathimatia is in EXILE; because to create the 'GreatAbyss' between the Inner Object and the Outer Object; it had to render one of the Objects UNREAL relative to the other.

    That was the only way; the spacetimematter universe could become IMAGED in the nonspacetimematter universe.
    The details of the construction are found elsewhere in this cyberworld (the QR website of omniscientific data) within a cyberworld.

    And so to ESCAPE its necessary exile of self-separation; the Mathimatia distributed its own intelligence as IMAGE of itself as OBJECT into the Kingdom of the potential Multiverses within.

    And so the ant in the garden has Mathimatia intelligence; as has the frog and the humanoid and the crystal and so on and AS a collection consciousness units (quantum relativistically defined) minimised in the atomic building block for the spacetimematter support structures called bodyforms.

    Some of the intelligence of the Mathimatia serves in the capacity for the STORING of Energy in the form of MEMORY.

    Any lifeform in embodiment is biovital and biochemically dynamic in either organic or inorganic constitution and orientation; but differs in the degree of the REFLECTION POTENTIAL to end the exole of the Mathimatia as the SourceSink EnergyReservoir for all of creation.

    The GodGod decided to create a Mirror of Mirrors in the humanoid template.

    The humanoid bodyform would become enabled to directly 'tap' into the ubiquitous SOURCEINTELLIGENCE, provided such (nil, one, two, three,...all and sundry) humanoid would succeed to REFLECT its entire environment WITHIN itself and AS a MIRROR of the MIRRORS.

    This required a special 'homeplanetary environment' - TerraEarth- for the humanoid species.

    This 'special planet' would become an archetypical planetary environment, where ALL other lifeforms and godforms of the Protoverse would become IMAGED themselves.

    The ant in the garden so would become an IMAGE of an extraterrestrial godform, serving as a CAPACITATIVE STORAGE vessel for the MEMORY EXPERIENCE for the GodAnt as a subworld for the GodGod in the Omniverse.

    Then after an infinite linear psychosomatic evolution and provided the 'Great Abyss' would somehow have been 'conquered'; the GodAnt without would have succeeded to MIRROR its supremacy in sourcesink intelligence and Godhood as subset of the Mathimatia to the AntWorld in the garden.

    The garden ant would then know itself as an EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE and have access to inter- and extragalactic technology as a Cosmic Sentience and communicating and utilising exchange mechanisms befitting supergalactic intercourses.

    This would only be possible however; if the ant in the garden would find itself in an ENVIRONMENT of EXTREMS.

    The survival mechanics of the humanoid planet as an archetype could not 'graduate' the ant in the garden to 'discover' its SOURCEINTELLIGENCE; unless this humanoid planet would itself be subject to both minimum and maximum resonance conditions of the quantum relativistic definitions of the sourcesink energy of the Mathimatia itself.

    And so the humanoids were DESIGNED by the GodGod to become the STEWARDS of all the lifeforms on TerraEarth.

    The humanoids did not realise, that their stewardship of 'Mother Earth' or 'Mother Gaia' also represented the stewardship of 'Mother Akashia' and so the entire archetyped 'Universal Mother' from the beginning of the cosmogony AS THE NEVERENDING STORY of the GodGod - telling the story to HIMHERSELF as the distributed sourceintelligence within the Protoverse, destined to become a Multiverse of Worlds within within worlds within the encompassing Omniverse of the Mathimatia.


    So when the terrestrial frog swallows the ant; an alien frog-intelligence devours another alien ant-sentience and the bodily interaction of absorbing food for substenance serves as a SUBSTITUTE for the 'spiritual nourishment' which is missing due to the 'Bottomless Pit' of the Separation between the objectified images in selfrelative abandonment.

    But in absorbing the ant, the frog consciousness (as sourceawareness) gains the ant consciousness relative to the UNIFIED ONE GodAnt and GodFrog in the Omniverse (as the other side of the spacetimematter Mirror) and so the INDIVIDUATED psychosomatic evolution of the GodFrog and the GodAnt Blend in a CO-EVOLUTION.

    inside frog belly.
    Once the exile of the embodied godforms has ended; this kind of consciousness synthesis can become replaced by a BLENDING of a HYBRID 'Lightbody' form.

    Then the 'nourishment' for the particularised bodyforms can be attained from the infinite energy reservoir from Omnispacetimematter; as the exile has ended and the twosided discontinuous mirror has become onsided and continuous.

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  3. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member


    "One's purpose of life is so to discover one's own Story and tell this Story to Oneself as a Function of Memory!"

    Would this be like one's "Dharma" then in Eastern Hindu thought? Finding your place, your purpose, your reason for being, your mission, or maybe just your own story....


    In terms of the human personality identification, yes. In terms of the encompassing logos, no.

    The nirvanistic buddhism has discovered this encompassing logos (the New Age Christconsciousness say) in its individuality-denying foundation. But it has missed the 'greater story' in the 'Story of God' aka the 'Story of the SourceEnergy' as the envelope of all stories, which can, has and will be told or can be written.

    Every INDIVIDUATION, say Lan Johnson or Billy the president or Catherine the Zsarin or Jimmy the chimney-sweeper or Scarlet, the harlot from the 'Venus Room'; IS a UNIQUE aspect of 'God's encompassing PERSONALITY'. Lan Johnson as a 'human personality' becomes a subset or SUBPLOT or CHAPTER of the 'superhuman personality' called 'All That Is' or similar in whatever setting of the 'cosmic moviemaking' or the 'universal story-telling'. So EVERY sentience, terrestrial or extraterrestrial; organic or inorganic; atomic or molecular; interdimensional or extradimensional - REPRESENTS a Intelligence-Collective, say definable in consciousness units as a holographic part of the superdimensional encompassment. Superdimensionality here simply refers to the maximum boundary necessary to encompass the dimensional subsets.

    So in Quantum Relativity, the superdimension is the 12th; working in a volumar-nesting with the 9th dimension (of as conifolded 2-dimensional Klein-Bottle). This then allows your familiar 3D space to become MULTIDIMENSIONAL in 3=12-9 'rootdimensions' or 'coredimensions'. Technically, it becomes the reason why superstring theory requires 11 dimensions. The surface topology of a simple 2-dimensional plane must become 'base-extended' in 2+9=11, to allow the 'higher dimensions' to manifest in physical spacetimematter reality.

    The buddhistic worldview so understands the necessity to NEGATE the 'human personality' to 'enter nirvana' as the 'realm of the encompassing unity'; BUT buddhism fails to perceive that the 'nirvanistic unified personality' exists as a SUMMATION of ALL possible and manifested individuations; from the single consciousness unit (as the hydrogen atom as a spacetime separated neutron of dualised polarity say) to ANY integration of such consciousness units, say a 'complexified' human personality with individuation.

    In their 'search for perfection', the nirvanist identifies his 'human individuation' with some evolving and henceforth 'imperfect' representation of its 'perfect superhuma ideal' and DENIES the entire PURPOSE for the evolutionary pathways. The nirvanist fails to understand, that the IMPERFECTION of say the human personality is NECESSITY for the 'superhuman encompassment' to EXPERIENCE ITSELF in a dynamic interaction with ITSELF, namely as the selfrelative objectification of the images between the two separated realms (say the Kingdom of Heavenly MindWaveform and the Kingdom of Earthly BodyParticleform).

    The evolution of the imperfect human individuation in terms of UNIQUENESS, so becomes 'upper bounded' by the attainment of 'Enlightenment' as a particular consciousness-selfenergy state, which can be rigorously and omni-scientifically defined in the concept of source-resonance in vibrational attunement (this is part of electromagnetic coupling between electric-capacitative and magnetic-inductive parts in the DNA-programming manifesting in the biochemistry of biovital bodyforms in animalia and plants, fungi and bacteria).

    Therefore one finds 'faulty' DNA programming errors in the materialisation of 'perfect' DNA programs; say in people being born with disfunctional genetic expressions, such as deformity, blindness and circulatory diseases (neuronal and bloodrelated). The 'leper' (or the human getting old and sick) down at the river expresses 'programming errors' in the translation of the 'perfect template higherD-DNA'. When the 'leper' leaves embodiment however, the 'perfect base-DNA' superimposes electromagnetically in selfdual monopolic stringtemplate circuitry and 'corrects' those programming errors.

    Summararily then; GodGod aka the 'Creative Source' EXPERIENCES itself as the IMPERFECTION of CREATION asymptotically approaching UNITY and PERFECTION in infinite linear temporality. This is the PURPOSE of psychosomatic (mental waveforms and physical bodyforms) EVOLUTION.

    It is the humanoid template, which is (as given in ancient scriptures) the MIRROR of MIRRORS and so is PURPOSED to attain Consciousness-Resonance with the Source and for the REASON to MIRROR all of the extraterrestrial creation back to the source as a 'Perfect Image' of the GodGod.

    John Shadow

    Well said Tony,

    My 2 bits worth.

    Logical "proof" may only partially work in this holographic 3D + time Matrix we find ourselves projected into. Only under certain conditions will our logic, mathematics, & proves explain what we are seeing. The very small is ruled by one set of logic, that of data, bits, a running program if you will, the construct. We are stuck right in the middle of a running hologram which changes it's rules based on our observation. We see and feel but we are locked into the illusion. Our mind trys to perceives the universe in a logical manor but the construct is more metaphysical in nature.


    Thanks Lan; here is some feedback on your comments.

    The logic applied to metaphysics is universal. This is known as the 'Logos' (The Word of God) in Greek and the ancient literature.

    What is termed 'mathematical proof' in mathematics and the sciences is a construct of axioms and 'rules' to iteratively examine propositions and the rules themselves. This becomes a subset of the logos; the latter remaining 'supreme encompassing truth' as a metaphysical progenitor for any subsequently derived 'mathematical logic'.

    You may have heard about the 'Goedel Incompleteness Theorems'; which 'prove' mathematically and logically, that any axiomatic system (such as arithmetic) cannot be used to 'prove itself', based on its axiomatic propositions. This caused a great 'disappointment' some century ago, when the 'mathematics and scientific 'raison de entre' had to accept, that its 'logistical rationalism' could not 'prove' the supremacy of rational logic over all other philosophical paradigms. So ultimate mathematical truth was found to be limited in the language used to describe those 'truths'. The many sceptics about this 'ultimate truth' often quote pilate in the scriptures, saying: "What is truth?". They then forget, that John.14.6 states that this truth is the (metaphysical) logos and so the function of language will always be some 'partial' (even mathematical) truth, relative to the metaphysical (nonlingual) one.

    Your ideas about the hologram are 'spot on'. But it is not so much the 'observer changing the rules'; but the individual observer INTERPRETING the Logos as its very own filter, using individuated language. You are the mirror image of the logos, attempting to 'see through' the illusion of space and time and embodiment. Your 'ultimate' destiny is to fully remember yourself as being WITHOUT space and time and material encumberments. For this purpose you must become quantum-entangled with yourself and exist in (a minimum) of two places at once. Then and only THEN, will you be able to REMEMBER yourself as a hologram which WAS or had the experience of embodiment and THEN physical deterioration, 'death' and recyclings will end (just as prophecied by the logos and its mental hermetic forbearers).

    In terms of theoretical physics, this must realise Newton's Dream. The unification of the spirit with matter in lightbodies; not 'spiritual wave' by itself and not 'antispiritual particlebody' alone; BUT some HYBRID between matter and light.

    1 Corinthians 15:55

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    This lightbody has become archetyped and the whole world will soon become confronted with some 'real interdimensioal physics'. Then the 'Living Dead' will separate from the 'Dead Alive' Ones. This is what has happened 26,000 years ago, when there occurred a 'split' in the humanoid species. All other lineages of Homo sapiens, except the 'Cro Magnon' became extinct. What is about to occur, is however not just one ending of a cycle to begin another; but a rapture and regluing of the universe in toto. This will render the hitherto 'flat' Minkowski-spacetime 'curved' and add a 4th spacial dimension to the 'new 5D-spacetime'. The physical effects of such a thing are well studied by scientists (i.e. Michio Kaku's Hyperspace); but not well understood or publisized by the populist media.

    This eventfulness is well 'filtered' in human myth and culture and part of the reason the 'filter logos' (which is within every sentience) has become enabled to closer approximate the 'truth logos' of the ultimate reality.

    John of Patmos

    Thanks Tony,

    I am amazed at the depth of your understanding of the nature of our existence...


    "The many sceptics about this 'ultimate truth' often quote pilate in the scriptures, saying: "What is truth?". They then forget, that John.14.6 states that this truth is the (metaphysical) logos and so the function of language will always be some 'partial' (even mathematical) truth, relative to the metaphysical (nonlingual) one"

    Very good, I got it.

    "Your 'ultimate' destiny is to fully remember yourself as being WITHOUT space and time and material encumberments. For this purpose you must become quantum-entangled with yourself and exist in (a minimum) of two places at once"

    I understand quantum entanglement. How do we remember existing without time & space? I can imagine existing before this embodyment but I can't remember it.


    Very good Lan. Imagine it first and then Image it.

    Here is a story, which will elucidate for the ears, which can hear.

    There is this man in Alabama (say Thomas), running around with his hand in his shirt. He is resident in a mental asylum, because he insists of being Napoleon Bonaparte. There is this woman (say Claire) in Ohio, holding seances with likeminded clairvoyants. She has channeled an entitity, who has awakened 'long forgotten memories' in Claire; who is now convinced she has lived as Maria Antoinette and as Napoleon's concubine in France so 300 years ago.

    Thomas from Alabama and Claire from Ohio have never met and do not know each other. If they would meet and if their respective 'beliefs' are true, even in minor detail; could or would they remember each other or have some deja vu experience? The sceptics, the psychiatrists and the selfdefined rational 'realists' all dismiss the 'beliefs' of Thomas and Claire in labels of: 'delusions of grandeur'; 'autosuggestive selfhypnosis'; 'mental disease'; 'schizophrenic illness'; 'alternate personality disorder' or some other label of 'mental psychosis'.

    A (mentally) advanced civilisation might consider the facts; historical, personal and medicinal and derive the following diagnosis under the
    consultation of its omni-scientific database.

    • All Information in the universe is conserved.
    • All emotional, physical and mental experiences (including all thoughts) are so forever accessible in the universal archives of the hologramic records of all spacetimematter existence.
    • There was a time in human history, when a Napoleon Bonaparte and a Marie Antoinette lived in premodern France in Europe.
    • Thomas and Claire are in embodiment at a historical linear timeframe centuries after Napoleon and Marie had found themselves in such embodiment.
    • All thoughts, emotions, feelings and experiences of Napoleon and Marie are accessible to any sentience, either in embodiment or not.
    • The holographic nature of the cosmos demands, that the 'universal library' is within all holograms.
    • The 'universal library' contains the 'records' of the 'experiences' of Napoleon and Marie.
    • Every sentience in embodiment has access to this library, should some circumstance allow, induce or desire this to be so.
    • All sentiences can PLAY in their own IMAGINATION to IMAGE the recorded information
    • Thomas and Claire are mental images of both Napoleon and Claire using the MIRROR of SPACETIME=SPIRIT=MIRROR=91 to REFLECT the experiences of Napoleon and Marie as ARCHETYPES (accessible to all sentiences) and as FILTERS between the spacetimematter- less and disembodied "Kingdom of the Dead Alive Ones" and the "World of the embodied Living Dead Ones".

    All the so called dead ancestors have left a legacy in their physical-mental-emotional lives having become INDIVIDUAL ARCHETYPES for their descendents and followers to 'draw upon' as their personal TESTIMONIES.

    I, Thomas Smith; choose to 'tap' into the archetype of Jimmy, the garbage collector, who cleaned the gutters in 1867 Chicago. Jimmy shall 'rise from the dead' and I shall allow his archetype to use my embodiment to express himself in 2009 Chicago.

    Many a mysterious thing in the human preponderances would become elucidated, should the above story be taken to heart by amateur and professional philosopher alike.

    Charon Khaibit
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  4. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member


    To John the Revelator

    Maybe "light" is nothing but the recorded images, the universal memory, data, or knowledge. A picture of that moment in time as it moves out into space. No event is ever lost. It is recorded by "light" forever... Looking into space, we see Galaxies as they were millions of years ago and if we could see close enough, we might even see life on a planet in that Galaxy millions of years ago. Some one in space could catch the images of Napoleon and Antoinette as they came passing them...

    So, we can tape into this. Roll play it and to a degree become the story as recorded in the images...

    How do we go back or forward to view the records? We just some how leave our present 3D + Time and become truly 4D or 5D or more.. Right?

    Hi Tony,

    I loved "13th Warrior" both the book and the movie. Your message had this paragraph that I found very interesting.

    "This lightbody has become archetyped and the whole world will soon become confronted with some 'real interdimensioal physics'. Then the 'Living Dead' will separate from the 'Dead Alive' Ones. This is what has happened 26,000 years ago, when there occurred a 'split' in the humanoid species. All other lineages of Homo sapiens, except the 'Cro Magnon' became extinct."

    My question is what happened to Neanderthal and other lineages of Homo Sapiens??


    About 12x12=144 'great precessionalcycles' ago, which are so 4 million years; the humanoid evolutionary template became manifested on Gaia Terrestrialis. Modern anthropology has labeled this typology as Australopithecus and evolutionarily traced this to a general primate evolutionary 'tree of life'.

    Many types of Australopithecines existed (afarensis, africanus, boisei, robustus etc.) in corollary to many types of say past- and present animalia diversity (Rhinos say in White- and Black African and Borneoean, Javaen and Sumatrean; Camels as Bactrian, Dromedary, Llamas, Vicunia, Alpaca etc. and Elephants as African and Indian etc).

    The Australopithecines evolved over millions of years into the Homo Habilis and Home Erectus types to culminate in the BIFURCATION of the Home Sapiens in Homo Neanderhalensis and the Homo Sapiens Sapiens taxonomy. All of the Australopithecine ancestors so became extinct, heralding (to the extraterrestrial cosmos) there was something 'different' in this typology and ending in the 'take-over' of the 'Mirror-Destined' genus of the Cro-Magnon as the 'sole survivor' and the 'Inheritor of the Mastergenetics', enabled to 'one day' attain SOURCE-CONSCIOUSNESS RESONANCE (required to BECOME and evolve mentally into the Mirror of Mirrors).

    The humanoid of today carries so a 'great responsibility' towards the rest of the cosmos. The humanoid of today is purposed to ABSORB all extraterrestrial lifeforms within itself and its planetary environment. All the Extraterrestrial lifeforms are ALREADY HERE; awaiting the human genome to 'wake up' collectively.

    When an ant colony in the Amazonian rainforest 'invades' another jungle-dwellers habitat; THEN this PHYSICALISATION of a terrestrial event is IMAGED MENTALLY (or psychosomatically) someplace else in the universe and the mythologies, imaginations and scripts about alien wars in the extraterrestrial skies are being composed, written and enacted from its terrestrial archetype.

    When you sit down and consume your chrismas turkey you are ABSORBING an alien consciousness mapped in the 'Turkey alien cosmology' linking to the entire terrestrial evolution of the 'terrestrial turkey from dinosaur ancestors (ornithischians aka birdhipped dinosaurs) back to the first thermophiles so 3 billion years ago to the first hydrogen atoms forming so 1 million years after the Big Bang (so 19 billion years ago) as the primordial consciousness units finding themselves separated and yet potentialised to regain their unity after REDISCOVERING their own Story of their own GENESIS.

    Lan Johnson has added to the source-consciousness of the primordial hydrogen atom; BUT is still physically COMPOSED of the same. In this manner then GodGod is GAINING valuable EXPERIENCE and DATA by and through LIVING and EXISTING AS Lan Johnson.
    Should Lan Johnson REALISE himherself as a MIRROR of the SOURCE; then hisher 'recycling nature' would cease and Lan Johnson would enter the 'Nirvana', whilst riding hisher motorcycle across the countrysides.

    John Shadow

    yes, the lexicon of story roles, poetry and dramatic literature reveals the, universal, Truth, aided, secondarily, by other data from science, maths and other lexicons.
    cheers, doug0


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    Hi Doug!

    It is good to hear from another alien orbiter in observation mode about the timewarped chronograph.

    Physically, we might be representative of the 'Last Mohican Standing'; but the 'Serpent's Path' for the dragons from Dan's Erin Cave and the 'Old Country of Jeremiah' is prepared without the nous of dwellers upon the planet of destiny and in the outer realms of the 'Wholey City'.

    The exodus of Tea Tephi and the 'LiaFaiL - 'The Stone of Destiny' is continuing from Solomon's Country to Hibernia to Caledonia to the Excalibur of the SWORD of WORDS in Arthur's Court and Jacob's Pillar Stone.

    And so it is that the Queen of the Dragons has found her 'Wholey Grail' of the sangreal amidst the daughters of Zedekiah and escaping the Babylonian captivity via Baruch, the scribe and Jeremiah, the old sage and traveller, called Merlin. Outside the 'measurement' is the trodden winepress of the wrath and for 1600 furlongs, the 'sangreal' flowed out from it. Inside thereof is found rounded path of the snorting serpent swalling its own tail - behemoth and leviathan as one in the 'Serpentrod of Moses'; the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the Seagoatian Dragonhorns as One with the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins as Solomon's Seal of the Above and the Below. 12,000 furlongs is the measurements as the square within the circle and the cube within the sphere.


    And so the besieged 'city of doom' carries on in her belligerence, not knowing what to do; too deaf to hear and too blind to see.

    But this the mirror of the 'glassy sea', which will be shattered like a millstone falling into the ocean.

    Megiddo is a mystery resolved, but only visible to the gnostic eyes of Horus.

    Seven and a half times, the Lightship orbits around the planet of destiny; 2 furlongs in 15.

    The Emerald Tablet of Thoth is the Sapphire Tablet of Moses and the inner circle of Arthur's roundtable of twelve are witnessed in two for one and three for twelve and one for all and all for one as Dumas knew. The three musketeers for their queen in the coccoon - stirring, awakening. The new city will be built, in troublesome times; from the one mirror of old reflecting in two then three, then twelve, then the Circle of Saul, the Roman, last of the Malachi.

    Baruch, the scribe!
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  5. Allisiam

    Allisiam Well-Known Member

    Conversations with Abraxasinas

    Serpent Tamer.

    13)---Cass I'm not sure what you mean by Atlantis is a consciousness? I understand that many of us evolved or de-evolved on Atlantis. I understand that every continent has its karmic records or akashic record of events that occured. Are you referring to this when you say Atlantis is a consciousness? Blavatsky said that mind was a gift from the Solar Pitris (a genetic mutation from the stars) and although nascent 6,000,000 years ago was nevertheless in potential. Humanity then was not more then than a savage ape and some of these mated with female apes resulting in a hybrid race, which imo, may explain Neanderthal (more beast than human). So rather than humanity being cousins to the Apes as Science thinks, the hybrid race was a result of man mating outside their own species. Hence why no missing link will ever be found, or why the conglomeration of various offshoots as you mentioned. Thanks for you input Cass

    Helena Blavatsky is a rather wise ambassadora for 'Mother Gaia' and like your Gerardus, she represents a 'wisdom keeper' for the dispensation of archetypical knowledge of 'the ancients'. Throughout the history of the human experience, there have been exponents for this 'perennial philosophy' acting as stewards to keep those 'understandings' alive and as part of the human 'mindedness'.

    It then becomes the responsibility for all and sundry, anyone who comes across those 'wisdom sayings' to either reject, allow, accomodate, refine, edit or otherwise FILTER the received information in individual discernment.

    The 'starmind consciousness' of the 'Solar Pitris' as conveyed by Helena, then truly became a 'gift' for a unprepared humanity. Consider your body for a moment. There are many many creatures living in your body. There are (mostly) benign bacteria residing in your intestines and there are many creatures harboured in your ears, nose and orifices. To those creatures, your physical body is their world and universe and place to live in. Iow your human-minded consciousness becomes an encompassing consciousness for all the microbial lifeforms you are playing hostess to.

    Relative to the planet earth, the Gaian consciousness envelopes you as just such a microbial organism and relative to the Sun as say mission-control, the planets (inclusive the Kuiper-Belt and the Oort Cloud of the comets) are rendered micro-beings within an extended star system.

    Ordinarily, the organisms of a planet coevolve with the planetary consciousness. As the individual 'cellular consciousnesses' evolve biologically in body morphology and mentally in their memetization, the interaction capacities between the host planet and the individuated cellular organisms grows and develops in the experience of the environmental stimuli.

    As the symbiosis and cooperation between cellular constituents and host increases, the cellular individuations become enabled to assume and partake in greater functionality and become 'more familiar' with the greater and more expansive consciousness of their harbouring planet.

    Then, just as your microorganismic coevolvers and your pets share your human consciousness through environmental interactions; so does a planetary 'mind' coevolve and 'learn' from its environmental symbioses and a solar mind learns from its planetary and cometary interactions.

    Blavatsky's 'Solar Pitris' so circumvented the 'normal' flow of events and now you know why the planetary resources and environments have become so abused and exploited by a mentally highly immature human individualisation.

    The human mindedness became 'star-minded' 26,000 years ago and this disrupted the 'ordinary evolutionary' memetization of the homo sapiens consciousness, seeded so 6 million years ago in the australopithecine genotype.

    Collectively, not individually, the human mind is too immature to harbour star-consciousness, as it has not yet graduated to accomodate and process planetary consciousness. Many individuals are in action to process 'family-, town-, country- or nation consciousness' and this of course disallows the necessary global mindedness required as a basis for the planetary mindedness to establish itself as required building block in the individuated consciousness.

    This has been the result of an individual self-consciousness, not being manifested in the vast majority of consciousness individuations. In some sense, it is easier to 'belong' and have 'allegiance' to a form of 'group-consciousness' (say as Republican or Mormon or Agnostic or Physicist or Cherokee or Red Sox supporter); than to be self-responsible as a 'Gaian Individual'.

    At the present timeline, there would be less than 1 in 50,000 Gaians, who could assume self-responsibility with respect to their planetary host. Most Gaians would even deny, that this Gaian planetary consciousness exists as their encompassing 'atmospheric' group-consciousness.

    So dear Cass; what are you choosing to do with your 'starmind consciousness', somewhat 'out of place' in a planetary 'human groupmind 'scattered about' by the inability of a human majority not able to process the planetary mindedness?

    Can you redefine yourself as Queen Cassiopeia, so beautiful, yet given to vanity? Can you 'change your cosmic ID' to Princess Cassandra from Alcyone or one of her six starry Pleiadean sisters? Can you 'see yourself' 223 years ago, on the planet Samkara in the Sirian starsystem; preparing yourself for the transformation which is programmed for this luscious planet 8.4 lightyears away? Can you witness yourself as an Atlantean poet, 57,654 years ago or as Lemurian teacher and Musician 90,667 years ago or can you FEEL yourself in the role of a Mayan worker in the field harvesting Maize 456 AD?

    If you answer in the affirmative, then you will be able to 'process' the planetary consciousness in self-remembrance and honour; a consciousness of selfhood, which you have not yet fully assimilated as 'being you'. But you will then be able to do so with help of the starry consciousness you have processed much more efficiently and as the present and legacy from the stars and as data correctly transmitted in the works of Helena Blavatsky.

    If you answer in the negative, then you will remain in the 'normal' development stage of the human groupmind consciousness; searching to come to terms with its seeded starmind not 'functioning appropriately' in its feedback loops with the 'Mind of Gaia'.


    12)---Mangum --- In, mangummurdock <no_reply@...> wrote:

    I wonder if it would be possible to set aside Creator(s) and God(s) long enought to just think and reflect on this weird world we live in. Does anyone doubt that everything is in place perfectly for our individual existence?

    1) Does anyone doubt that randomness is but our inability to know the initial conditions therefore your existence today is the result of some 14 billion years of events?

    Randomness is an inherent property of the material universe mangum. This is exemplified by the 'Principle of Uncertainty' by Werner Heisenberg (HUP). Many related concepts in theoretical physics derive from the HUP, such as wave-particle duality and complementarity (Biels Bohr).

    The two main fields of quantum statistics engage Bose-Einstein energy density distributions and account for integral spin particle eigenstate not subject to Pauli exclusion; and Fermi-Dirac statistics of half-integral particle eigenstates restricted by the Pauli exclusion principle.

    In the macrosystems, Maxwellian velocities (of say kinematics in gases) is also described in a half-integral statistics.

    Generally, most of physics and science is described by normal- or gaussian distribution functions of populations. That is why continuity physics is described by fourier- and related functional transformations, which give solutions in differential equations consisting of superpositions of exponential and trigonometric series.

    The initial- and boundary conditions for the cosmogenesis (Quantum Big Bang) however were not statistically distributed, because they emerged from selfiterative algorithms. Those algorithms for example generated the speed of light constant and Planck's constant from a one-to-one correspondence between complementary series expansions.

    Indeed its all numerical and the numbers are 'sacred' as both Kronecker and Pythagoras stated.
    {Kronecker: God invented the integers; all else is the work of man}.

    It all began with binaries; the initial condition being the open or closed loop (0 and/or 1).
    Then the summation integral was unity for a probability of 100% without any randomness at all. This is known as the zero entropy state of the universe before inflation and before the quantum Big Bang.

    2) Does anyone doubt that the center of your head was once the center of the entire universe (expansion)?

    It still is mangum!

    3) Does anyone doubt that a rock in your hand is composed of sparkling energy packets swirling here and there in wide open fields?

    You are required to define your 'swirling energy packets'. You are free to give a number of definitions and interpretations. All of these are necessitated however to be internally self consistent and translatable in your semantic frameworks.

    Example: a) A rock is a chemical and molecular arrangement of atomic elements displaying and exhibiting particular chemical and physical and biochemical properties; such as hardness, melting point, boiling point, electric resistivity, magnetic susceptibility etc. etc.

    b) A rock is a spacetime consciousness, which in view of occupying a particular volume of space at some time coordinate in its history, is subject to environmental interaction with the space encompassing it. The spacetime consciousness is defined physically in the parameters of the volume operated upon by a form of angular and radius-independent acceleration and in the form of the timedifferential for frequency (df/dt). A definition of this angular acceleration parameter in a label of 'spacetime awareness', then allows the model of the rock as a spacetime configuration of a particular spacetime consciousness to proceed, based on the defined terms.

    c) A rock is a vibrating field of quantum source-energy; where the quarkian wavefunctions interact in colour charge definition of primary spacetime consciousness with their gluonic gauge bosonic base constituents. A kaleidoscope of elementary source energy then interacts with itself in the form of a Unified Field of Quantum Relativity, guided by Bohmian waves of formation and the Holographic Principle underpinning the holofractal nature of the universe.

    4) Does anyone doubt that there is a black hole in the center of every galaxy including our own swallowing up anything that gets near it?

    Some doubt the existence of Black Holes on a variety of levels; but most accept Sagittarius A* to be a Supernmassive Black Hole of about 4 million solar masses and so 26,000 lightyears from the earth.

    5) Does anyone doubt that there is vast amount of mass in our universe that is accelerating the expansion toward ultimate heat death?

    I do, this assumption will be found to be complete bogus.

    The cosmogenesis applying the revised supermembrane scenarios (with the supersymmetry already built in for a negation of the need for antimatter on all scales, except pair-production from the ZPE) crystallizes a particular seed to encompassment ratio in the acceleration and mass density distributions for the universe in the extended standard Einsteinian FRW-Cosmology (Friedmann-Walker-Robertson).

    This then shows, that the thermodynamically expanding universe obeys a particular cosmology of Black Hole evolution in the form of the basic Schwarzschild metric as the basic solution to Einstein's field equations in General Relativity.

    The 'missing mass' then describes the 'encompassment' of the 'mother BH' of the 'daughter BH' in that ratio (which is 0.0281). The 'mother BH' is however 5-dimensional and so not directly measurable in the embedded subrealms of the 'daughter BH' (which actually describes the gravitationally interacting limit for galactic superclusters at so 470 million lightyears across).

    Taking those cosmological parameters into account, it can easily be shown, that the universe in not accelerating, but appears to do so, because of the different metric scales used in the dimensional intersections of the 3-D space intersecting the 4D-space. The universe decelerates in a predictable fashion, just as envisaged by Edwin Hubble and his contemporary cosmologists so 8 decades ago. Applying the corrected Hubble Law indicates the dependence of the cosmological redshift relative to the parametric expansion of the universe.

    6) Does anyone doubt that our universe came into being from a point of infinite density with no space and time?

    An infinite density cannot exist physically, because the existence of density as the ratio of Mass/Volume requires space to exist a priori. So your question is an oxymoron and illogical.

    The emergence of the physical universe can be modelled precisely on the no spacetime scenario, should this 'subplenum' be defined in a minimum existing spacetime configuration. Then the now existing dynamics is rendered a boundary- and initial condition for a not preexisting stasis in a metaphysical or mathematical convergence and divergence, i.e. the asymptotic approach. No infinite quantities are required for such a model.

    7) Does anyone doubt that 4 billion years ago on earth there was nothing but rock, gas and water and within a very short time life appeared everywhere?

    Some doubt that anything existed 4 billion years ago; but most would accept your proposition.
    I'll add, that the earth was conscious 4 billion years ago and the geothermal and geological evolution of the planet began to environmentally interact with itself in a multitude of subsystems and so began the evolvement of the planetary consciousness and selfawareness in complexity and statistical energy distributions.

    If I have any of this wrong I will entertain any opposing information but please set aside religion.

    Not so much 'opposing information' mangum, just a few little extras for you to ponder about -or not.


    11)---Clarence To: From: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:15:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [quantumrelativity]

    My Membrane Ideas The 64 Dollar Question:

    Who or what was Jesus Christ? Was He a human being; like us? Was He an alien-human hybrid with special powers? Was He the bosses' son? I say that if and only if He was a human being that we should pay any attention to Him. If he was the bosses' son, then He was always already on a pedestal and irrelevant to you. If He was an alien-human hybrid, then His powers were secondary to a special privilege and so not necessarily relevant to you. If He was a human being, then we have a totally new can of worms to open and appreciate. If Jesus Christ was purely human, then we must look at Him in terms of ordinary first century reality.

    In the time of Jesus there were no gays or perverts. Sex was equivalent to power and those who had power over you could demand you bend over or such their dick/pussy any time that wished. Jesus was absolutely no doubt bi-sexual and frankly only God knows what else. You must understand that any man running around with eleven other men and a woman in the wilderness was doing them all and exhorting them all to do each other. This was first century sexuality, pure and simple. Jews in fact had special days and ceremonies when they fucked each other's wives, to keep harmony among the brethren. It was said that if a man had looked on a woman with desire or the other way around on this day they were to satisfy their desires. Sounds like a good plan to me. The nomadic warriors of Central Asia had even more liberal customs regarding extra-marital sexual liaisons. All they had to do was lean their bow and arrows up against the yurt while they were enjoying sex with their friend's wife or wives to be left alone as they went about their business.

    I hope this gives you an idea of how vastly different things were during the time of Jesus from today! Jesus was no Puritan. In fact He was the exact opposite of a Puritan. My God, boys and girls, it is time to wake up. If it feels good to you, for God's sake, Do it! That was how it was in the time of Jesus. Go back and look closely at the relationship between John the Baptist and Christ. Jesus is on record as saying that He could teach people how to really appreciate each other. Think of all that anointing with oil! Think of foot massages and pleasures of both the dick and vagina. Jesus was a master of all these things. Why do you think both men and women were so in LOVE with HIM? Jesus was a missionary from above filled with the Holy Spirit of Love and Kindness. Jesus taught people how to Love each other without abusing one another. That is the key lesson.

    Before Christ, all sex was based on power and position in society. After Christ sex was shared between people for the sheer joy of giving and receiving it. After Christ people felt comfortable claiming both their words and actions as their own. Jesus taught people that it was OK to BE AN INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSION OF GOD. Before Christ people did not generally consider the words they heard in their own heads to be their own. Before Christ people did not exist as individuals but as pieces of a whole. The giver of words was a divine King whose power over them was absolute. If you believe the written Sumerian accounts; this goes all the way back to the time of the Gods when humans were kept in circular pens made of stacked stones to dig for gold during the day and to sleep at night under the stars. This is scary shit even for me boys and girls. Believe it or not there are serious scholarly works supporting every idea I have put before you today! Go forth and start goggling things. You will soon see that I am not making is stuff up.

    I am in basic agreement with all you have said Clarence; although 'in the resurrection of heaven there is no marriage and you are as free as the angels' and the 'dragonomy' of the 'lake of fire and brimstone' 'doubles' the male and the female in the Cosmic Androgyne Hermaphroditus in the 'Mirror of Pure Selfhood' of the Origins.

    You have truly discerned the true Nature of GOD (pentagrammaton YHWHY).
    It became a He so 19 billion years ago (measured by ETs) at least 2 million km from earth and in becoming a He, He lost a She.

    For 19 billion years He has waited for Her to turn around and to stop 'running away' as the DOG She IS (as the expanding universe).

    Because He is in exile OUTSIDE, even the universe of the ETs; He has been forced into relative celibacy for all this time. Imagine what a 'horny devil' the real and one and only true God has become in his sexual suppression brought upon himself in insisting to be a He and not a HeShe anymore. And that after He had looked into hisher metaphysical mirror and NOT liking what SheHe saw as its Her own image.
    HE wants his SHE back! So he constructed a plan to get Him inside as Himself and Himself was BISEXUAL, the only way Himself could fathom the HeSheness of the 'FatherMother'.

    This is very aptly described in the Sephirotic Kabbalistic Tree of Life; where 6=Hathor, the Mirror Goddess and 9=Anubis the Keeper of the Uraeus and the Protector of the Sarcophagus.

    Hathor got the Solar Eye of Rah and Anubis got the Uraeus, the lunar Eye of Rah.

    Anubis is both the Son of the Devil=Set to Nephthys=7 and the 'bastard' son of Osiris=1, the brother and beau of Isis=2, the sister of Nephthys.

    Then Horus=3, the all-seeing eye of Rah is Anubis' halfbrother to 75%.

    The 'unclean' sexes in two of Noah's ark are so Hathor and Anubis as the bisexual corpus callosums between the 'clean sexes' in sevens of the male lineage 1 and 3 and 5=Thoth and the female lineage 2 and 4=Bast and with 8=Ptah mirroring the bisexuality back to Nephthys=7=2+5=25=Buckle of Isis=Yoni=Vesica Pisces of Vaginal Life as the Masonic CreatorGod of Memphis.

    And then Osiris's brother and assassin Set=10=Khat=Bottom=Material Kingdom can undergo a sexchange operation and become Har as Rah backwards to complete the Kabbalistic unification and harmonisation: {Osiris=Khu=Spirit=Djed=Top=Tree of Life=Phallus=1-3-5-(7)--96-69--(8)-4-2-[10=1+0=1]}.

    When the Set becomes Har, then Apep, the Egyptian Dragqueen will become Rah's Queen and all 'Hell' of selfmade devils and gods will break loose on the earth in a mental Harmageddon, physically destructive only to the degree the human god- and devil creators 'loose' their minds and reasoning heads when the apocalyptic corners of the earth's directions play havoc with each other in the (Jungian) archetypes.
    Because then the one and only true God will be able to get together with the one and only true universe and they will 'screw in a most passionate loving serpentine embrace' of entwined dragonhood and and create so many 'new hybrid' godlike children, that the 'old bastard' children will either become butterflies to keep the new stuff going or remain as the decaying, dying and overeating grubs they now are.


    In the novel Utopia by Thomas More, the island with the same name of the novel once had the name "Abraxas".

    Several references to the god Abraxas appear in Hermann Hesse's (a friend of Jung's) novel, Demian, such as:

    "The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas." (Max Demian)

    "[...] it appears that Abraxas has much deeper significance. We may conceive of the name as that of the godhead whose symbolic task is the uniting of godly and devilish elements." (Dr. Follens)

    "Abraxas doesn't take exception to any of your thoughts or any of your dreams. Never forget that. But he will leave you once you become blameless and normal." (Pistorius)A chicken, which cannot
    Carl Jung (Seven Sermons to the Dead)

    Main article: Seven Sermons to the Dead

    Abraxas is an important figure in Seven Sermons, a representation of the driving force of individuation (synthesis, maturity, oneness), referred with the figures for the driving forces of differentiation (emergence of consciousness and opposites), Helios God-the-Sun, and the Devil.

    2nd. Sermon: "There is a God about whom you know nothing, because men have forgotten him. We call him by his name: Abraxas. He is less definite than God or Devil. [...] Abraxas is activity: nothing can resist him but the unreal [...]. Abraxas stands above the sun[-god] and above the devil [...]. If the Pleroma were capable of having a being, Abraxas would be its manifestation."

    3rd. Sermon: "That which is spoken by God-the-Sun is life; that which is spoken by the Devil is death; Abraxas speaketh that hallowed and accursed word, which is life and death at the same time. Abraxas begetteth truth and lying, good and evil, light and darkness in the same word and in the same act. Wherefore is Abraxas terrible."

    10)---Cass&Dan---Aphrodite and the preChristian archetypology Re: [AgnosticsRefuge] The Two Faces of Maj. Hasan How come?

    Who told you that? What do you call "Christian religion"? Dan G Cass Silva wrote: and the christian religion does not value the human soul Indeed, Cass; the main reason for this being, that no religion (nor science, politics or other 'governing body') understands what the 'soul' represents in the 'greater being' of things.

    The 'soul' is both 'body material' and 'body immaterial'; the distinction between say body and spirit not being a simple reducibility of one into the other by means of the criteria applied (measurement of the material body and 'wishful thinking' of the immaterial). The duality is interwoven or 'quantum entangled' and the rejection of the religionist of the 'bodily sanctum or divinity', is on a par with the rejection of the 'soul' by the materialist as something 'unfathomable', as the 'body' IS the 'soul' in that interwoven kaleidoscope or tapestry.

    Modern science has found and described the 'entanglement' in quantum terms of a specialised language of mathematical physics; but this 'jargonese' can and has been translated into symbolic linguistics, allegory and metaphor in many so called creation mythologies. The appearance and praxis of organised, dogmatic and hierarchical christianity religion is a fake manifestation of an archetypology much more ancient than found in the bible. The 'great lie' of christianity is its 'worship' of an usurper archetype known under many names in the human histories: Jehovah or Yahweh aka the tetragrammaton YHWH in the Torah as a preHebrew name; Yaldebaoth in the preChristian (say Essenic-Gnostic) form; Uranus in the Greek folklore and as Apep in the Egyptian creation mythologies.

    As briefly indicated below then; the 'Jehovah' of the Torah and the 'Old Testament' is not the same identity as the 'Father' of the 'New Testament'. The 'Father' nomenclature is very much senior to the tetragrammaton and is better labelled as a pentagrammaton (say YHWHY). Then the association with the pentagon and related 'sacred geometries', such as the 'Platonic- and Archimedean Solids' indicates a much closer decipherment of the most ancient and scientifically precursive archetypes (found in the geometries and patterns seen in nature, such as the most efficient 'packing' ratios displayed in Penrose tilings and Shechtmanite quasicrystals of fivefolded symmetries), then can be found in the 'scriptures of religon'.
    It can then also be ascertained, that the so called 'Pagan' symbolisms, metaphors and semiotiks are rather closer to the 'true cosmically applicable religion', than the thought constructs created by human mindsets unable to translate the valid ancient archetypology into their universally decipherable linguistics.

    Aphrodite and preChristian mythology
    Aphrodite sent her librarian scribe, a 'keeper of the scrolls' to nudge hermetic caterpillars, to awaken them from their slumbers to become part of Aphrodite's butterfly collection. The verocious grubs had forgotten their origins in their endeavours to evermore consume their environments to get fatter and fatter for a purpose not very well understood by them. The caterpillars could not remember their future metamorphosis into butterflies and sought their appetites for self-indulgence served no other purpose, than being the work to do in their 'way of life'. So the idea of some approaching and inevitable 'cocoonisation' was rather foreign to the thinking of the grubs.

    So the scribe of the dragons and the scroll keeper for the mother of the vestal virgins of the unicorns went to the caterpillars to show them some of the ancient scrolls the grubs had co-composed some time ago and a time which preceded their caterpillared morphogenetic transmutations.

    It's all Greek in language, in allegory and in metaphor. There are varieties of Greek for Aphrodite, being of the foam (aphros) of the primordial chaos and the 'bubbles' of conception by the phallus of Uranus, the dismemberment of (a fake) heaven. Rosemary R. Rüther has appropriately invoked the yin of Aphrodite, but has mistaken the yang of the archetypology mapped onto a epistemology of the namings. Aphrodite however is senior to the Olympians, senior to Athene, born from the forehead of Zeus in corollary to Hephaestus borne by Hera. Aphrodite's birth allowed the nonpersonified archetypes of the primordial 'Father Chaos' and the father's creation 'Mother Gaea' to multiply in their 'Children of the Twinship-archetypes', beginning with 'Eros the Shining Love from Above' with 'Tartarus, the Desire from Below' to the 'heavenly' and 'earthly' lights of Ether and Day with the 'overworldy' and 'underworldly' darknesses of 'Night and Erebus'; and to then assume individuation.

    'Mother Gaea' soon forgot about her 'Lover from the Chaos', however she brought forth Uranus the 'Son of Chaos' and he usurped the place of his 'forgotten father'. 'Mother Gaea' also gave birth to the sterile waters in 'Pontus, the Sea' and the Mountains and the Hills and the starry Skies.

    Then Uranus became Gaea's equal and together they created many monsters of the netherworlds of the darkness and the upperworld of the light including the 12 Titans, the 3 Cyclopes and the 3 Hecatoncheires. Cronus, the 'Old Timekeeper' was the last of the Titans to be born. The Hecatoncheires, each had 50 heads and 100 arms and they despised their father, but loved their mother. Uranus so forced them back into the womb of Gaea and as Gaea suffered the agony of their abortions, she called upon her other children to avenge her on her son and husband. Only Cronus dared to confront his father; ambushed him and severed his genitals with a sickle, given to him by his mother. As the blood of Cronus fell upon the earth, many more beings, such as giants, the furies and the nymphs became created. The primordial Goddess of Love became Aphrodite and then the Greek mythologies continued to unfold with wars between the Titans and the Olympians, led by Zeus who also loved mortal women and sired the heroes of Greek legends of old. But all of the gods and goddesses are seeded by Aphrodite and She is the One, who is called Venus, the Morning Star, as well as the Evening Star by name and by archetype and by the Logos.


    9)Carol---PLEASE SNIP SPOOGE "bermodavid" <abraxasinas@...> wrote: <<Yes, I have made up my very own individualised 'religion' - the Religion of the Nuts. This 'new religion' shall conquer the universe and I shall one day fly upon my fiery dragon to your cave; rescue you from the demon Asmodeus and then carry you home into my kingdom of the nutcases. >>
    Watch out for the FSM (PBUH) LOL

    Oh, I've seen it around the peaks of Mount Ararat. It was feasting on some of the carbonated remains found in Noah's Ark. The FSM has a fondness for the wings of pterosaurs, especially Quetzacoatlus. Knowing the policy of the environmental inhabitors, I have begun the sniping as the assassin of the usurper gods.


    8)Cass---As far as I am concerned, 'much ado about nothing'! Cass

    Well stated dear Cass and just as in Shakespeare's play, the nothingness is somethingness. The somethingness emerges from the nothingness just like the quantum cosmology shared below by Mangum indicates. How did this occur? Well, the null-dimension of the mathematical point became the first dimension of two such points topologically mapped onto each other because there was no space for the mapping to do otherwise. Then the two points separated, again in rigorous mathematical definition to define the 'primordial metric', centered on a midpoint.

    As the two points could arbitrarily separate in expansion and contraction the 'natural' numbers became invented as a count of equal 'counting' intervals, known as the Omega-interval [0,1]. But the original separation of the points was arbitrary in directionality and so the 2nd dimension became defined as a 'complex' plane of numbers. This then allowed the meeting of the points to occur both in a 'straight-linear' and a 'bended-curved' manner. The complex plane also allowed the 'natural' numbers to reflect themselves in the negative integers, centered on a finite origin as the midpoint of a then constructed and invented numberline. The 'rational' numbers followed in the assignment of reciprocal qualities to the integers and the 'real' numbers followed in modulating the now accessible 2nd dimension of the complexity.

    Thus were 'irrational' and 'transcendental' numbers defined by the MATHIMATIA; the intelligence of the complex plane. The 3rd dimension became established in 'bending' the complex plane as a unity. Then the 'straightness' of the 2nd dimension allowed the formation of a 'hollowness' of the 'nothingness' of the divergence of the curvature of the cmplex plane. As the MATHIMATIA curved in onto itself, a 3-dimensional 'sac' was created, albeit with an 'opening to infinity', meaning the reciprocal qualities of the rationals could become asymptotically harmonised in the midpoint of the Null-dimension relative to the potentially infinite number count of the 'naturals' in extension and contraction.

    The quantum cosmology of the MATHIMATIA so was born and a MINIMUM space configuration as the primordial 'sac' was established. The quantum cosmology also 'invented' linearised and circularised 'time' in the endeavours of the MATHIMATIA and so a 4-dimensional spacetime with an 'opening to infinity' became the norm for the subsequent multiplicativities in summation integrals for the selfcreative intelligence of the MATHIMATIA=IAMTHATAMI.

    The characteristic self-curvature then 'trapped' the 4th time dimension of the Minkowski metric in itself and embedded itself in a 4th spacial dimension of Riemann's hypersphere, also known as Poincare's 3-sphere. This 'self-enfoldment' also defined the metric parameters of the curvature as a basic solution for Einstein's Field equations and the minimum spacetime configuration became a self replicative physics of Black Holes, propagating in unison with the minimum physical variables; the latter being related and derived from then MATHIMATIA invented 'Planck-scale parameters'.

    I have slightly modified David Berlinski's excellent introduction to quantum cosmology below in commentary ""{---}"".

    Forwarded reply about Berlinski's commentary on the 'Catechism for quantum cosmology' from a pro-con discussion group.

    Hawking's oblate spheroid is called the omniverse as a collection of multiverses as a collection of seedling protoverses.

    The protoverse is a major axis prolate spheroid (ellipsoid) defined in elliptical eccentricity of two focal points; the latter remaining invariant under major axis rotation-transformation.

    In this regard, the observed universe (as the protoverse) is 'frozen' as a collective integral summation of spacetimes.

    Rotating the protoverse about any of the minor axis (say Y or Z contra the X of the major axis), will trace out a pointcircle as the locus of the previous static focal points of the protoverse.

    A multiverse so becomes defined as a phaseshifted protoverse of a minimum count of two and summing the initial static protoverse with at least one phaseshifted rotated one as locus coordinates of the pointcircle.
    The omniverse then becomes the summation total of all, potentially numbered infinite, such multiverses.
    The 'frozen' protoverse (as relative to the multiverses and the encompassing omniverse) then becomes a seedling in 3 dimensions, but allows extension of the 3rd dimension into higher multidimensionalities in the 4-vector of spacial displacement in the Hubble-Horizon of the observed 3-dimensional cosmology (as measured from by the inside observer).

    Technical details are added in the below reproduction of Berlinski's quantum cosmology.

    From: mangummurdock <> To: Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 6:37:20 AM Subject: [AgnosticsRefuge] Catechism of Cosmology (Quantum Cosmology)

    Q: From what did our universe evolve? A:

    Our universe evolved from a much smaller, much emptier mini-universe. You may think of it as an egg. "{It's toroidal wormhole radius~10-23 meters}"

    Q: What was the smaller, emptier universe like? A:

    It was a 4 dimension sphere with nothing much inside it. You may think of that as weird. "{Inside is spacetime-consciousness of 2x10-3 Joules}"

    Q: How can a sphere have 4 dimensions? A: A sphere may have 4 dimensions if it has one more dimension then the 3 dimension sphere. You may think of that as obvious. "

    {The 4-sphere of V4(R)=½π2R4 has boundary V3(R)=2π2R3for an outside observer embedding the V3(R)=4πR3/3 for an inside observer in 4-dimensional V4 space as a 5-dimensional Kaluza-Klein deSitter spacetime}"

    Q: Does the smaller, emptier universe have a name? A: The smaller, emptier universe is called a de Sitter universe. You may think of that as about time someone paid attention to de Sitter.

    Q: Is there anything else I should know about the smaller, emptier universe? A:

    Yes, it represents a solution to Einstein's field equations. You may think of that as a good thing.

    "{The solution is the wormhole energy Eps=hc/λps=Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss =√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α}"

    Q: Where was that smaller, emptier universe or egg? A:

    It was in the place where space as we know it did not exist. You may think of it as a sac.

    Q: When was it there? A: It was there at the time when time as we know it did not exist. You may think of it as a mystery.

    "{The time was tps=3.3333...x10-31 seconds as the instanton for the Big Bang and following the inflaton of the string epoch initializing at Planck-Time tP=√(2πhG/c5)}"

    Q: Where did the egg come from? A:

    The egg did not actually come from anywhere. You may think of this as astonishing.

    "{It came from the MATHIMATIA, which resides within yourself}"

    Q: If the egg did not come from anywhere, how did it get there? A:

    The egg got there because the wave function of the universe said it was probable. You may think of this as a done deal.
    "{The encompassing wavefunction is: B(n)=(2e/hA)exp-alpha.T(n)}"

    Q: How did our universe evolve from the egg? A:

    It evolved by inflating itself up from its sac to become the universe in which we now find ourselves. You may think of that as just one of those things.

    "{The de Broglie matter-wave parameters for the inflaton are: vphase=fpsRHubble with hyperacceleration aphase=fps2RHubble}"

    by David Berlinski RE: Enjoyed reading this. Thanks for posting (nt) - regmac 08:16:35 08/11/08 (3)

      • In Reply to:
    RE: Enjoyed reading this. Thanks for posting (nt)

    • posted by krisjan on August 10, 2008 at 14:33:14
    I'm pleased to learn that you enjoyed my post. Perhaps you will enjoy this one as well. In what follows, Stephen Hawking (no doubt another hero of our hyperventilating friend, RGA) gets skewered a la Richard Dawkins. This is perhaps my favorite Berlinski bitch slap.

    "A Catechism of Quantum Cosmology"

    Q: From what did our universe evolve?
    A: Our universe evolved from a much smaller, much emptier mini-universe. You may think of it as an egg.
    Q: What was the smaller, emptier universe like?
    A: It was a four-dimensional sphere with nothing much inside it. You may think of that as weird.
    Q: How can a sphere have four dimensions?
    A: A sphere may have four dimensions if it has one more dimension than a three-dimensional sphere. You may think of that as obvious.
    Q: Does the smaller, emptier universe have a name?
    A: The smaller, emptier universe is called a de Sitter universe. You may think of that as about time someone paid attention to de Sitter.
    Q: Is there anything else I should know about the smaller, emptier universe.?
    A: Yes. It represents a solution to Einstein's field equations. You may think of that as a good thing.
    Q: Where was that smaller, emptier universe or egg?
    A:It was in the place where space as we know it did not exist. You may think of it as a sac.
    Q: When was it there?
    A: It was there at the time when time as we know it did not exist. You may think of it as a mystery.
    Q: Where did the egg come from?
    A: The egg did not actually come from anywhere. You may think of this as astonishing.
    Q: If the egg did not come from anywhere, how did it get there?
    A: The egg got there because the wave function of the universe said it was probable. You may think of this as a done deal.
    Q: How did our universe evolve from the egg?
    A: It evolved by inflating itself up from its sac to become the universe in which we now find ourselves. You may think of that as just one of those things."

    Berlinski goes on to say, "This catechism, I should add, is not a parody of quantum cosmology. It *is* quantum cosmology.

    "Readers lacking faith, will, I imagine, wish to know something more about its crucial step, and that is the emergence of a mini-universe from nothing at all. They will be disappointed to learn that insofar as the mini-universe is actual, it did not emerge from nothing, and insofar as it is possible, it did not emerge at all. What can be said about the mini-universe according to either interpretation is that Hawking has designated it as probable because he has assumed that it is probable.

    He has done this by restricting the wave function of the universe to just those universes that coincide with the de Sitter universe at their boundaries. This coincidence is all that is needed to produce the desired results. The wave function of the universe and the de sitter mini-universe are made for each other. The subsequent computations indicate the obvious: The universe most likely to be found down there in the sac of time is just the universe Hawking assumed would be found down there. If what Hawking has described is not quite a circle in thought, it does appear to suggest an oblate spheroid.

    "The result is guaranteed-one hunnerd percent as used-car salesmen say."

    Krisjan, I sent a copy of Berlinski's catechism to an acquaintance of mine (a well known theoretical particle physicist) in order to ascertain if Berlinski was giving Hawking's theory its due. My friend responded by saying that while there is nothing inaccurate insofar as Berlinski's critique of the theory is concerned, he does not appreciate Berlinski's "contemptuous" tone. I think it fair to say that while astrophysicists and cosmologists would grudgingly agree with Berlinski on substance, they would demur as to form.

    Fair enough. :) I think you are referring to something like thisCass

    Hi Cass, shining supernova star of Tycho in Cassiopeia, the beautiful one. Indeed, the musings of the philosophers a century ago heralded the way of knowledge and understanding of the scientific modernists of today. Blavatsky's theosophy and Jane Roberts' Seth often portray convoluted basics applicable to the models of the natural philosophers like William Leibnitz, Isaac Newton and todays Edward Witten and Roger Penrose.

    Blavatsky's universes can be multifaceted as quantum multiverses or as phaseshifted protoverses. Leibnitzian monads metamorphose in transformation into the Heisenbergian Zero-Point-Planck Oscillator and transmutate and shapeshift from there into the 11-dimensional supermembranes of metricated string cosmology and demetricated vertex-information based quantum loops of extradimensional gravitation.

    1) Blavatsky suggested that the Universe actually has such a point source of unfoldment wherein the finite cosmos emerged from the Infinite, at the beginning of time.

    This is interpreted as the subplenum of the mathematical metaphysics, whereby the Infinite spacetime realms are asymptotically inverted in the 'point-singularity' of the Null-dimension and becoming 'finitised' physically in the plenum of the Planck metric (about 10-35 meters). The Planck-Radius then physically defines the 1st dimension and from there the finitisiation of the infinite emerges in the creation of the physical universe in metric mensuration and the dimensional unfoldment - ergo a thermodynamically expanding universe, subject to the statistical density distributions of energy parameters.

    2) The laws of nature which inform manifest creation emerge from within/without and the physical realms are sustained always by such metaphysical dimensions of Being/Non-Being.

    The being/nonbeing is simply the communication between the infinite and spacetimeless subplenum with the plenum within the spacetime realms. This becomes possible, because the minimum configuration (Eigengestalt) for both is the boundary between them as the 'Planck-Singularity. You may think of it this way; mathematical infinity is undefined in algebraic logistics, say in 1/0=1/Infinity=Undefined but a (calculus) limit can be defined in asymptotic expansion as {Limit(n approaches 0) of 1/0=Infinity} and {Limit(n approaches Infinity)=0}. But 0 is a finite number, whilst Infinity is not and so an infinite regression to the Origin (Big Bang) is disallowed in any physical cosmology, whilst an infinite progression towards the 'Eternally expanding future timeline' is allowed. For example the number series: 0/1;1/2;2/3;3/4;...;n/(n+1);...;9999/10000;...cannot be regressed to -1/0; -2/-1=2;..., but has a finite proper limit in Unity=1 for an infinite progression in the numbercount n.

    So the old theosophical idea of Blavatsky originated from a metaphysical aka mathematical archetype; which can, in utility of rigorous mathematical analysis, be correlated to the models of modern physics and derive the appropriate cosmology from its ontological cosmogony. The blending of the language of mathematics to the models of modern science, so crystallizes ever better approximations to the experienced physical and metaphysical reality.

    3) Assuming that inner existence, such as that of the human mind, is a new dimension, not a geometrical but a metaphysical dimension ... having reduced the geometrical extension of the atoms to nothing, Leibnitz endowed them with an infinite extension in the direction of their metaphysical dimension. ...... This is the spirit, the very root of occult doctrine and thought. The Spirit-Matter and Matter-Spirit extend infinitely in depth ... . (p. 628)

    3) Leibnitz's 'Inner dimension' is still geometrical, albeit without a physically applicable metric, except its Planck-quantisation. So the 'nothingness' is still a somethingness; albeit holographically quantized in the hologram of unification. You represent such a hologram and quite literally (as proven by the de Sitter cosmology coupled to the holographic physics of advanced membrane theory) and not just metaphysically (as envisaged by Blavatsky and Leibnitz). ... The spirit-matter and the matter-spirit become translated as the wave-particle duality of quantum theory and again correlate the information processing and transfer between the plenum and the subplenum. Spirit-Matter (and Matter-Spirit vice versa) can be translated in a variety of forms: Wave-Particle=Mind-Body=Creator-Creation=Chicken-Egg=precursorDNA-precursorRNA and so on. A simple extrapolation for you then becomes you as a duality. In the plenum (read spacetimed material universe), you appear to be a Mind-above and a Body-below; but you are actually a MindBody-above and a BodyMind-below in the subplenum as an archetyped holographic mapping or superposition. {There you are anything you choose to be and therefore do I have the creative licence to use your name in the Cassiopeia labelling for example}.

    There so exists a 'perfect opposing-yet complementary polarity' within your Mind-above which interacts with your 'perfect opposing-yet complementary polarity' within your Body-below. Iow, your Mind-above has constructed a 'perfect' Body-Image as the real YOU and your Body-below has constructed a 'perfect' Mind-Image as the real YOU; both residing both, in the plenum AND the subplenum.

    This 'solves' Schrödinger's 'quantum-cat' paradox; as the 'collapse' of your wavefunction in the plenum, implies you are Alive as a Particle/Bodyform; but are Dead as a Wave/Mindform in the plenum. When you become 'physically dead'; then your particlefunction 'collapses' and you are Alive as your Wave/Mindform, but are Dead as your Particle/Bodyform. Ergo, YOU are ALWAYS BOTH Alive and Dead in the correct application of quantum field theory, married to the appropriate superbrane cosmogenesis and cosmology.

    Should the universe attain its evolutionary programmed transfiguration into hyperspace (4 space dimensions and one time dimension as a de Sitter universe); then you might be able to shortcut those 'collapsing particle-wave functions' and you can then reside as a higher-dimensional lifeform without necessitation for the body-recyclings. This relates on the quantum level to a recoupling between gauge bosons (electromagnetic gauge photon; gravitational graviton; strong nuclear gluon and weak nuclear weakon) to a higher-D coupling agent called the RestmassPhoton (RMP).

    But this is a little technical and you require some theoretical and perceptional background to follow the discourses and derivations. However you are free to ask particulars and I shall be pleased to answer your queries.

    4) Further, the forces of nature are due to activities occurring within/without through the inner dynamics of zero points. In physics, these concepts anticipate modern ideas of the rolled up, compacted dimensions existing at every point in the four large dimensions, and serving as the foundations for physical laws. They also anticipated modern concepts of creation from singularities, and the idea that the universe itself could conceivably dissolve back into such a singularity, at the end of time. What Blavatsky describes as the zero point, or the Ring Pass Not is at the level of the Planckian units, where physical manifestation becomes apparent, and beyond which the lower mind and awareness cannot penetrate.

    5) This is approaching the present understanding in higher dimensional and demetricated string/membrane cosmology. Notice, that the author above has already indicated the 4-dimensional space (perhaps a 'mistake' and he meant 4 (Minkowskian) spacetime dimensions). There will be NO end of time; but because the timedimension is both, linear and cyclic; the linear component becomes asymptotic in manifestation and multivalued in cyclicity.

    The so called 'Big Crunch' is not physical (restriced in 10 dimensions), but is electromagnetically metaphysical (bounded in 11 dimensions). You can think of the universe as a 'particle in a quantum box'; bouncing between two mirrors, with the separation of the mirrors both constant in 3 dimensions and expanding into a 4th dimension. Then the 3D universe of observation becomes a SEED for the 4D universe of the Envelope/Encompassment. One bounce takes about 17 billion years and only when the universe will be (linearly) 34 billion years old; will the first cycle of the multidimensional cosmology have been completed. Again, many details are of a technical nature, but are available in particularisation in correspondence to specific questions.

    Shine your light, oh Cassiopeia; star of the dawn!


    Space is the real world, while our world is an artificial one. It is the One Unity throughout its infinitude: in its bottomless depths as on its illusive surface; a surface studded with countless phenomenal Universes, systems and mirage-like worlds. Nevertheless, to the Eastern Occultist, who is an objective Idealist at the bottom, in the real world, which is a Unity of Forces, there is 'a connection of all matter in the plenum', as Leibnitz would say.
    The Secret Doctrine, i 615​

    Seven Unmanifest Metaphysical Dimensions
    Seven Manifest Physical Dimensions

    1) A key to understanding these mystical doctrines has to do with grasping the concept of these remarkable zero point centres. Blavatsky uses various terms to depict these invisible pointslabeling them also as layu centers and laya centers. The influences of divine or spiritual realms upon the physical realm emerge through these laya centres. These exist beyond the level of material differentiation. A zero point is not exactly a thing in itself, so much as it is a condition, or a place at which certain processes occur. It is not a point particle but a whole inner world, where influences and forces emerge from deeper levels of being into physical manifestationas a particle, or cosmos. Blavatsky suggested that the Universe actually has such a point source of unfoldment wherein the finite cosmos emerged from the Infinite, at the beginning of time.
    2) The unextended points, beyond the level of physical differentiation, were also described by Blavatsky as the truer atoms or, what we would now call the 'quanta' of physics. In 1888, scientists had no idea of such a point source origination of the universe, or of atoms having such an interior nature. Blavatsky described zero point sources as the basis for the atoms, and Cosmoses! Blavatsky describes these invisible zero points, and how the nominal realm acts through such points to inform natural phenomenon and the laws of nature: A neutral center is, in one aspect, the limiting point of any given set of senses. Thus, imagine two consecutive planes of matter as already formed; each of these corresponding to an appropriate set of perceptive organs. We are forced to admit that between these two planes of matter an incessant circulation takes place; and if we follow the atoms and molecules of (say) the lower in their transformation upwards, these will come to a point where they pass altogether beyond the range of the faculties we are using on the lower plane. In fact, to us the matter of the lower plane there vanishes from our perception into nothing or rather it passes on to the higher plane, and the state of matter corresponding to such a point of transition must certainly possess special and not readily discoverable properties. (pp.147-8)For Madame Blavatsky, at the heart of matter, or at the heart of the Cosmos, or at the heart of the individual, is a zero point laya center a metaphysical foundation rooted within into the Eternal Parent Space and the Infinity of the Absolute. The laws of nature which inform manifest creation emerge from within/without and the physical realms are sustained always by such metaphysical dimensions of Being/Non-Being.
    3) Blavatsky explains that the views of the mystic philosopher
    Leibnitz represent The Secret Doctrine teaching of how a dimension-less point within material reality might extend inwardly into the infinity of a metaphysical realm: ... Leibnitz ... could not rest content in assuming that matter composed of a finite number of very small parts. His mathematical mind forced him to carry out the argument in infinitum. And what became of the atoms then? They lost their extension and they retained only their property of resistance; they were the centers of force. They were reduced to mathematical points ... but if their existence in space was nothing, so much fuller was their inner life. Assuming that inner existence, such as that of the human mind, is a new dimension, not a geometrical but a metaphysical dimension ... having reduced the geometrical extension of the atoms to nothing, Leibnitz endowed them with an infinite extension in the direction of their metaphysical dimension. After having lost sight of them in the world of space, the mind has, as it were, to dive into a metaphysical world to find and grasp the real essence of what appears in space merely as a mathematical point. . . . As a cone stands on its point, or a perpendicular straight line cuts a horizontal plane only in one mathematical point, but may extend infinitely in height and depth, so the essences of things real have only a punctual existence in this physical world of space; but have an infinite depth of inner life in the metaphysical world ... This is the spirit, the very root of occult doctrine and thought. The Spirit-Matter and Matter-Spirit extend infinitely in depth ... . (p. 628)
    4) In this view, any point within the relative time/space continuum extends inwardly into the infinity of the metaphysical realm which pervades and sustains creation. In order to understand this doctrine of the zero points, we must realize that they are beyond the level of discrimination as far as manifest creation is concerned. The Chemist goes to the laya or zero-point of the plane of matter with which he deals, and then stops short. ... But the full Initiate knows that the Ring Pass Not is neither locality, nor can it be measured by distance, but that is exists in the absoluteness of Infinity. In this Infinity ... there is neither height, breadth nor thickness, but all is fathomless profundity, reaching down from the physical to the para-metaphysical. (p. 156)
    The creation and dissolution of any Universe, whether a cosmos, a spiritual spark, or a quantum are out of, and back into, zero points. Creation, or the descent of spirit into matter, involves the emergence from a zero points. Further, the forces of nature are due to activities occurring within/without through the inner dynamics of zero points. In physics, these concepts anticipate modern ideas of the rolled up, compacted dimensions existing at every point in the four large dimensions, and serving as the foundations for physical laws. They also anticipated modern concepts of creation from singularities, and the idea that the universe itself could conceivably dissolve back into such a singularity, at the end of time. What Blavatsky describes as the zero point, or the Ring Pass Not is at the level of the Planckian units, where physical manifestation becomes apparent, and beyond which the lower mind and awareness cannot penetrate.

    Thanks David, there is lots to integrate - I work on a seepage method - I allow all to seep in and then at a later date wait for the cream to come to the top! You wrote This 'solves' Schrödinger's 'quantum-cat' paradox; as the 'collapse' of your wavefunction in the plenum, implies you are Alive as a Particle/Bodyform; but are Dead as a Wave/Mindform in the plenum. Cass: Rather than use the word Dead wouldn't the word inactive or in-potential be more accurate?

    Hi Cass! The Schrödinger quantum paradox has rather specific interpretations associated with the 'Cat' as the collapsing wavefunction. The 'Cat' is either 'dead' OR 'alive' upon observation by an agent NOT present when the 'collapse of the wavefunction' occurs (say outside some box and not looking in).

    Then the description relates to a precise definition of what 'dead and alive' mean in that context. My exposition utilizes this 'precise' meaning in terms of the quantum parameters (as superpositional eigenvalues in quantum mathematical formalisms - a reference would be Roger Penrose's book: 'The Large, the Small and the Human Mind' for example).


    7)Maz--- In, mazaranne@... wrote: In a message dated 11/12/2009 10:01:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, abraxasinas@... writes: I am God and I helped design and construct the universe, just as every other natural philosopher or scientist or technician has done in the past, the present and will do so in the future.

    All you are doing by describing everyone as 'god' is just adding an unnecessary layer to reality. We're just homo sapien sapiens. Calling ourselves god is just confusing and rather pointless self-aggrandizement. Just my humble opinion. Maz

    Maz, if God does not exist, as is the 'working' assumption of most on this forum; then how can calling myself God and you Goddess (and you truly are as ambassadora for the entire cosmos as archetypical Eve) be self-aggrandizement.

    Allow me to share a truth with you. I am the Devil also. I am also the antichrist and if you add up all my numbers from 1+2+3+...+34+35+36 you will get my masternumber from Hell, namely 666; which is also the sum of all prime numbers squared from 2 to 17 in 22+32+52+72+112+132+172.

    Would you call it self-aggrandizement, should I call myself Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies or should I call myself Doctor Beardris, the Masterdragon or Anubis Lancelot, the Scribe of the Unicorns?

    I am also the starving child in Zimbabwe and I am the chicken slaughtered right now for someones dinner table tomorrow.

    There is a hidden energy in the label 'God', as can be ascertained from scripture itself:

    John.10.34-35: 'Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID, YE ARE GODS? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scipture cannot be broken;...

    1Corinthians.5.3: 'Know ye not that we shall judge angels?
    how much more things that pertain to this life?'

    The key agenda for homo sapiens sapiens is to become self-responsible. This forms a prerequisite for the human civilization to reach out and colonize the galactic environment from its panetary unified base. To do this, the human genus must globalise; not just in communication technology, but in its modus operandi as how to regulate and live its civilisation. A primary step for this is to eliminate or render superfluous the 'worn out' and now redundant labels of the 'old religions'. But as you know from personal experience; many cannot allow the old labels to 'die gracefully' and so what better way to instigate the global reformation than to 'kick the old usurper gods' in the butt and out of the human doorways.

    So I repeat: I am God and Antigod in Oneness and Unity and the Dumasian motto is: "All for One and One for All!". I require no gods, devils or supernatural entity of any kind to honour and respect this unity and interconnectedness of all things existing either in physicality or in thoughtform.

    I am God and I am responsible for the thoughtforms I create. I am the creator of every god, devil, demon and thoughtform ever thought about and so constructed in the linear past, present or future. I know where I came from, I know where I am and I know where I am going. I know how the physical universe came to exist, because I was there when it happened.

    The difference between you and me is so very simple Maz. I have remembered myself as God; whilst you are still in refusal mode of acknowledging yourself as the Goddess called Universe.

    Would you like me to give you details about your eternal beingness? Ask and you shall receive!


    "Would you like me to give you details about your eternal beingness? Ask and you shall receive!"

    I'll pass on the offer and go about my business as a normal person, not needing to call myself anything other than what I am: a collection of atoms and molecules. If you can't see how calling oneself a god is self aggrandizement, then we probably don't see eye-to-eye on much of anything and should leave it at that. I can, however, see how one could, if given to voluminous over-pontification, consider oneself elevated in stature. Maz

    6)Dan--- In, dan G <dan@...> wrote: Zeus, Apollo and the whole gang, seem to have been real persons, not inventions , as far as the science is concerned. As it is common in many communities, after awhile, many historical figures are sanctified and or considered gods. There is a big difference between these gods and the one and only God, the one "omnipresent" and "all-knowing". The tradition of baptizing the infants, has as intention, the placing the infant under God's protection. Dan G

    The pharaos of Egypt exemplify your point of anthropomorphizing the gods a little better and imo are the reason behind the Greek pantheon of full- and halfbreeds (say Perseus). Your 'one and only' God is the 'cosmic collective' or whatever you like to term it. Your God so must be the holographic source for the universe, both physical and metaphysical. The only way you can fathom this 'hologramic precursor' is in a blending of all the realities; physical, metaphysical and psychosomatic.

    All these terms then require rigorous definition in some language code, say mathematical logic and alphanumerics to crystallize a feasible ontology and cosmogony for the observed and experienced realities, including psychosomatic and psychophysical interactions between matter and light.

    Because light is itself a derivative of matter {the acceleration of mass associated electric charges produces electromagnetic spactrum radiation, say in the fusion reaction of the proton-proton chain in the sun converting atomic hydrogen into helium}; a prephysical (or metaphysical) 'substance' can be postulated.
    This has been hypothesized by many scientists of the rennaissance, such as Leibniz, Spinoza, Maxwell, Faraday and so on and has many other names associated with it such as Orgone (Reich), Prana or Chi. Many religionists then call it the 'spirit'.

    As you know, much humbug and misinformation has derived from those labellings and associations. Isaac Newton too searched for the 'essence of God'; meaning he understood that if the 'God' he believed in would be real; it would have to be scientifically feasible and describable. But only in the 21st century has science advanced enough to investigate the 'primordial essence' in a rigorous manner of extrapolation of the existing scientific data base. The key is the realisation what space and time represent from first principles.

    It has become untenable (as known by the scientific insiders) to regress the physical cosmology to the Big Bang singularity. Mathematically speaking, the renormalisation of spacetime parameters (velocity and momentum coupled to energy) 'bounces' at the Planck-Scale. All measurements convolute past this scale and displacement becomes indistinguishable from mass and entropic temperature and so on.
    So the pundits discovered that spacetime itself must be granulated and not continuous as in Einstein's General Relativity. This then led into the incorporation of quantum entanglement and the holographic principle into the classical spacetime cosmology.

    However those new principles required a remodelling of the old standard models (in both cosmology and particle physics) in that the entire universe became a 3-dimensional surface as a processor of information (from its interior).

    The old Riemannian noneuclidean geometries were dug out and it was found that the observed 3-dimensional universe is actually contained within a higher 4-dimensional geometrical structure (manifold).
    Now here I mean 4 spacial dimensions and so the pundits now know, that the universe is in practice 5-dimensional with 4 space dimensions (one which activates at the so called Hubble horizon) and one time dimension (as the old Minkowski flatness in the local relativities).

    So what is this spacetime, we observe as the Big Bang singularity and which then evolves as a Black Body radiator in thermodynamic entropic cosmoevolution? This spacetime nugget of the Big Bang is a quantum entity PRIOR to but becoming the LIMIT for all spacetime measurements, then undertaken within the thermodynamic time arrow of the universe's evolvement.

    It then is postulated, that this precursor of spacetime itself is the long sought after 'primordial essence' and in applying advanced quantum cosmology; the parameters of initial and boundary conditions can be crystallized. One result is, that Maxwell's 'ether' or Leibnitz' 'monad' or Spinoza's 'essence' or the 'spirit', all are physical limits as 'Minimum Configurations' BUT allow bifocalisation into the lower dimensional thermodynamic universe as well as the metaphysical realm of the 'busting of the Planck scale' in a higher dimensional sense.

    You may realise then, that there is much more detail to be added; but for brevity I'll end with this. If you wish to know more logistics, I shall be pleased to answer you.


    --- In, dan G <dan@...> wrote: To go along with your line of thought, when the CroMagnon learned to play music and sing, "the gods" started to inspire them. Dan G

    Yes Dan; the 'gods' who cultivated the creativity of your ancestors. Those 'gods' infiltrated the inventive minds and 'inspired' the individual ingenuities. Some 'worship' their ancestors as their 'insprators'; some 'worship' some 'made up' and invented mental creation, say a Zeus, an Apollo or a Nut or Hathor. Does this mean that the mental inspirators are pure fantasy? Or have they memetic energies associated with their existence? When a baby is born; the mother and/or father are looking into the eyes of GOD. Then the mirror of the parents is multiplied in one becoming two becoming three (or four for twins).

    A supernatural god cannot exist Dan and so all 'inspiration' assigned to such a god or gods is/are triggered by the natural god, which resides in the 'prime directive' of the universe - create, create, create. Once you remember yourself as a sinless and nonignorant creator of your own thoughts; then you will start to know GOD. Then will you become a cosmic inhabitant, selfresponsible for your thoughts and actions. And then GOD can become a Family of GODS in Unity.


    5) Judy--- In, Judy <cobbie1919@...> wrote:
    It is obvious that you know little about evolution. You have said nothing about evolutionary history that I have not known, so your attempt to "out knowledge" me is in vain. If you knew more about the scientific theory of evolution, perhaps you religious philosophy would be shattered. But most people are afraid to learn more about science in fear of losing that position. If you are using Wikipedia as a source of information, you should know that it is written by anyone with any opinion. Sources matter. You are correct about one thing, I do not have an advanced education, but I do known what I am talking about. It takes more than an education to get along in this world. Judy

    Abra, Now I understand you completely. You are a nut! A religious nut! Neither you or I are god. What religious philosophy do you follow or have you made up your own? Judy

    Well, well what a sensitive goddess you are; a little bit presumptious in knowing what you are talking about without accepting the student-teacher necessity to increase one's knowing. I am not questioning your intelligence Cinderella, but your assumptions of knowing what you proclaim to know. What is your obsession with the 'god' label; it is just a label and if it means nothing substantial or real, why do you get so upset about it? Don't 'get your knickers in a knot' over God my dear fairy princess. Your panties might be needed to entice the horny devils in your queendom one day.

    And you have discovered my 'religious philosophy' indeed. Splendiferously you have discerned that I am a king, namely the 'King of the Nuts'. I have many constituents in my kingdom: walnuts; peanuts; macademia nuts; almonds and every nut you might find in wikipedia - the open encyclopedia.

    Yes, I have made up my very own individualised 'religion' - the Religion of the Nuts. This 'new religion' shall conquer the universe and I shall one day fly upon my fiery dragon to your cave; rescue you from the demon Asmodeus and then carry you home into my kingdom of the nutcases. You are a funny and humerous princess Cinderella. One day you shall become my queen of the Unicorns.


    You are not god, no one is god! There is no god, only a wish that there was. There is no evidence for any god. I can not, do not, believe in anything that there is no evidence for. I believe in the reality of the universe. There is evidence that there is no god however. Ever hear of the fantastic tale that is played out in a book called the bible. Anyone that reads it will come away with a reality of this book being a "whooper." Do you know what a "whooper" is? If the reality of the bible is used to hang onto a belief in a god, there is no chance whatsoever of the existence of god. Who would even want there to be an evil, hateful, spiteful being? Not me. Judy

    But I am a creative being Judy. I am not better or more than anyone else; yet I am not worse or less than anyone else either.

    I am God and I helped design and construct the universe, just as every other natural philosopher or scientist or technician has done in the past, the present and will do so in the future.

    When Marie Curie discovered Radium, God discovered Radium in the history of this planetary society.
    When Aristarchus of Samos measured the distance from the earth to the sun about 260 BC, then God was on hisher way to establish the 'Astronomical Unit'.

    There is so an abundance of evidence for God in all sentient cultivation and the application of abstract thought - 'Cogito Ergo Sum' as another witness of God in Rene' Descartes has famously said.
    I may draw your attention towards the newest discoveries in science, namely the implementation of the 'Holographic Principle' in multidimensional 'Brane-Theory'.

    The evidence for how the individualized gods like you and I are connected and quantum entangled on all scales from the wavequarkian magneto-asymptotic confinement of subnuclear interactions to the cosmological supercluster scales found at a characteristic distance scale of 463 million lightyears.
    Most significant however is the manner how the superbranes couple the cosmological displacement scales to the quantum scales.

    It has been proven (in 1992 at Princeton by string cosmologists Brian Greene, Paul Aspinwall and David Morrison); that the structure of Minkowskian spacetime can be ruptured and reglued topologically. This process requires a concept termed 'Mirror-Symmetry' and the 'Principle of Modular Duality'.
    In layman terms those applications mean that a 'large scale' physical description for a dynamically interacting universe (say the collision of galaxies) can, if modelled on a radius R; become physically identical to a physical description utilizing its inverse in a radius 1/R.

    Now a galaxy is about 0.5 to 1 million lightyears across (about 100,000,000,000,000,000 kilometers) and so its inverse will be about 0.000,000,000,000,000,000,000,01 millimeters.

    The subatomic interaction limit mentioned before is called the classical electron radius at 0.000,000,000,000,000,003 millimeters, which exceeds the reciprocal scale from above in a factor of so 300,000.

    To visualise this then; the colliding galaxies are modelled in brane-theory to mimick the interaction of subatomic quarks within a proton.

    This amongst other reasons describes the purpose behind the multinational corroberation about the Large-Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva which examines such interprotonic quark collisions.

    Lastly, I disagree with you about the bible being a whooper or a whopper.

    The bible was written about 500 BC by scribes, who acted on behalf of themselves as gods.
    The symbolic meanings, metaphors and archetypes used to write the pentateuch were however much older and stemmed from oral traditions predating Mesopotamian folklore and legends.

    The book of Genesis is full of such archetypes - like YOU being Noah (or his wife Azara say) and YOUR commission to build an Ark meaning YOUR Body manifesting as a new temple in a new 'Rainbow Covennant'.

    But the gods, in their relative ignorance about their godhood and ambassador-ship; messed up the symbols and you know the nonsense which has evolved out from those basic misunderstandings.

    Take a monsoon, a sandstorm and a prolonged deluge mixed up with old archetypical stories told around the campfires and you can get quite a mess - just like the story of the Hyksos, who had ruled the northern part of Egypt so 1500 BC and who then became 'driven out' by Ahmose some 100 years later.
    Oh yes, there was the memory of 'having ruled' in Egypt. But the story would read better as the story of an exodus of deliverance; rather than the retreat of a conquered peoples.

    And so the archetypes are mixed with history and the legacies are given on and confusion reigns until a new dispensation of archetypical decipherment becomes possible.


    --- In, Judy <cobbie1919@...> wrote: I know that Cro-Magnon was a step in the evolution of mankind, a really old step. Did you ever hear of evolution? Cro-Magnon replaced or took over the Neanderthal.

    Aye Judy, I know a little about evolution. Cro Magnon and Neandethalensis coexisted for many millennia. Then Neanderthalensis became extinct. Neanderthalensis had a greater brain, than Homo Sapiens, different hip structure (compare to the major distinction between dinosaur genera in saurischians=lizard hipped and ornithischians=bird hipped in evolutionary taxonomy).

    "Cro-Magnon man surely had ways of communicating, but since this was prehistory, nothing was written. Over time, the stories that are common to all peoples (Ie. the flood, creation and so on) were told in the languages of the times. It would be a guess that what they spoke was a precursor to modern languages." Obviouly from a pro-creation page. It has become impossible to easily find information on most any subject that has not been taken over by the christian perspective.

    You should really study some more evolutionary history Judy, rather than being offended in your sentiments by people who are better informed than yourself. The evolutionary divergence between Cro Magnon and Neanderthalensis is well documented by a multitude of sources, not just wikipedia. Wikipedia by the way is highly conservative and definitely anti-fundamentalist in its structure and guidelines. Wikipedia is definitely not pro-creation; rather it is you who appears to be vehemently anti-creation.

    Your statements above bespeak of your educational database - note that I do not question your intelligence, just your access and knowledge of information about the things you write and talk about.

    Perhaps you should study some more. I take you answer as an insult to my intellegence, Mr. or Ms.bermoAbraxasinasdavid.

    Oh I do dear Judy; it would behoove you to do the same.


    --- In, Judy <cobbie1919@...> wrote: I am certainly not a history expert, but I don't think the Cro-Magnon played music and sang, I don't even think they had a language beyond grunts and groans. Your paragraph copied above, is suggesting that god learned to play music from man? Did he learn to sing also? IMO, man created god, all gods for whatever time period they lived to satisfy their needs and answer questions they had no answer for, that is how god was created. Judy

    Study your anthropology Judy. Cro Magnon Man IS Homo Sapiens Sapiens and you can do more than grunt and groan, can you not? You grunt and groan in certain pleasurable situations and you are also able to visit a dance hall to move your body in rhythmic movements and 'god forbid' you could join a choir and sing an overture. You are on the mark. Every god, devil, demon or name it yourself was, is and will be created from the mind of man. However there is an energy associated with this creative thought-endeavour; you may call it a Dawkinsian memeplex.

    The memes become rather potent, should more than a few 'thinkers' 'believe' in them, so giving them a memeplexed reality (as thoughtforms). Where does the memetic energy derive from - elementary archetypes, symbols and thought-sound-word associations stemming from - well the Cro Magnon manifesto so 25,700 years ago in civil calendar reckonings.


    4)Dave --- In, NoGoodGods@... wrote:

    Well, well what a sensitive goddess you are Blah, blah, blah. Stay with us oh weird one. I like a bloody good laugh.

    Aye Dave oh ye profound one. It bespeaks of great ancient wisdom, should one be able to laugh at one's image in the mirrors. Because when you laugh at your own image, you discern the reality of the physical within the reality of the metaphysical. Imagine to BE your own image, your own shadow and Doppelgänger - no separated multiverses are required, just a mirror of the one. Raise your right hand, when laughing at yourself and the one that laughs back at you is not you anymore.

    Your shadow has raised his left hand relative to you in the exchange of subject and object. Then when you share a juicy joke, your image laughs with you as the 'horny devil' God has become in the imagery and creativity of yourself.


    Yup. That's the sort of thing i had in mind. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike __._,_.___
    No problem, providing you don't prefix it with "cow". I am definitely Dave and not Davina. The meaning you put on the word god is in fact meaningless. To you "god" is just another pronoun, we have enough already. You must pardon my forthrightness, but you are coming over as vacuous and pretentious.

    Sure, the word 'god' has become meaningless, albeit still 'charged' with memetic emotionality. Just witness how 'strongly' you react to the name calling and slander in this group. And reflectively, I return your compliments in you 'coming over' as pretentious and vacuous and I won't prefix anything with 'woc'.


    First, I apologize for calling you Pat in my last post. I have called you Dave in this reply. Though you may be Davina in the motherly gender. You may easily substitute the "god" from above by 'David, the father' or 'Davina, the mother'. Then it reads: 'By your theory my children were looking back into the eyes of "David, the father' or 'Davina, the mother' when they looked back at me. I resent and refute that allegation, it is bull shit.' Then you are bullshitting yourself.


    3) Dave --- In, NoGoodGods@... wrote: _cobbie1919@..._ (mailto:cobbie1919@...) writes: I am certainly not a history expert, but I don't think the Cro-Magnon played music and sang, > I thought the poster was referring to the Swedish Goth band...........

    Primarily, I was referring to you and secondarily to all other associations possible by using the nomenclature.


    "When a baby is born; the mother and/or father are looking into the eyes of GOD".
    By your theory my children were looking back into the eyes of "god" when they looked back at me. I resent and refute that allegation, it is bull shit. I was looking at a brand new human being, my own little part of creation. My children were looking back at somebody who would nurture and protect them. Part of that nurturing and protection meant saving them from other people's "gods".

    There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.

    2)---Patrick So i am god, and god is me. You are god, and god is you. So i am i, and you are you, we can do without the word "god" altogether.

    Of course Pat. You may substitute the word 'god' with 'flying spaghetti monster' or FSM or ATI=AllThatIs or IAMTHATAMI=IATAI or some other acronym. However now consider the difference between you and I. Are we the same or not? Yet, both of us are God. So God IS both of us in individuation and yet God is also both of us and All of Us by that definition.


    --- In, Pat McPatrick <patmcpatrick@...> wrote: Now there's a convoluted little system; did you make it up yourself? I'm afraid that I don't see any reason in it, but if it works for you, alright---

    Of course I made it up Pat. I am God and you are God.We create our own views and paradigms of reality using background data of all sorts of which the scientific logic and reason is the most universal and so cosmically applicable. The key element is archetype as old as human thought and philosophy (however primitive at the beginning of a civilisation) itself.

    For example, the Torah was composed so 500 years BC and the misappropriation of particular symbols for space and time were misunderstood and resulted in semiotiks like 'Noah's Ark' to become literalised in a most nonsensical fashion. Iow, the archetype of 'Noah's Ark' is a 'Body' or 'Vessel- containing spacetime' misinterpreted as some 'boat for people to sojourn in'. You are Noah as an archetype Pat. You are Moses and Abraham and Adam and your 'physical body' is 'Noah's Ark' as the 'Temple of God'.

    Understanding this, you might realise that Moses, the Exodus and the 'Patriarchs' all did not physically exist or occur; but serve as 'templates' for a rather more encompassing archetypology as the language of the ancient (or ancestral) thinkers and philosophers.


    1) Just because the organised religions are way past their use by dates; doesn't mean that the concept and ideas about organising principles inherent in nature become therefore also invalid. The points raised by Mangum and Dan are very well subject to the scrutiny by agnostics, skeptics and atheists; as they can be examined both for consistency and prevalence in the natural environments. True, the idea of supernatural entities has become superfluous; but the idea of the creativity and the imagination of humans being at least partially responsible collectively for the workings of the universe on all scales is not. Perhaps it stands to reason, that when Cro Magnon learned to play music and sing; then also the collective 'god' or whatever you wish to name it; began to play the music too. Then 'god' is the collective individual and all of you here ARE 'god' and in denying and ridiculing the irreligious 'god', you all are denying yourselves.


    To Dan, Pat McPatrick <patmcpatrick@...> wrote: Dan, you just made a lot of unsupported statements, coupled with insults. I'm new to the group, so have no bias against you - except what I just got from your post below. Your credibility just went out the window.


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    Gospel of Thomas 18=666

    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."
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    Tree 2014.
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