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    MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-v...us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317
    By 21st Century Wire
    Global Research, July 25, 2014
    21st Century Wire
    Region: Russia and FSU
    Theme: Intelligence, Media Disinformation, US NATO War Agenda
    In-depth Report: UKRAINE REPORT
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    Until this past Monday, the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 on July 17th, 2014, was a potential game changer for global geopolitics and the New Cold War. However, a funny thing happened on the way to the Kremlin…

    In this report, we will lay out the facts based on a wide breadth of available information and data surrounding MH17. We will also present and give critique to Washington and Kiev’s “mountain of evidence” that has saturated US and European-based media coverage since the incident took place. 21WIRE has compiled this report with the help of many contributors and references from English-speaking media, as well as material translated from Russian and Ukrainian media sources, along with other historical references to provide context. Our objective is to get as close to the truth as possible. Although many revelations will appear to be self-evident, we still encourage the public to draw there own conclusions regarding this pivotal event.
    There are other well-known anomalies surrounding this event which have been covered at 21WIRE, as well as connections to MH370, but for the purposes of this investigation we will focus on both factual and speculative evidence brought forth by the US, Ukraine and Russia.

    The Brink of War
    Last Monday morning was not a pleasant one for the US State Department. Russian officials surprised Washington and its NATO partners when it released all available satellite imagery and air traffic control data which was recorded in and around the final minutes of Flight MH17 – and presented it to the world media on live television. The data painted a very different picture, drawing contrasting conclusions to what Washington and Kiev officials had been disseminating via western media since July 17th. Following their presentation, Moscow handed its findings – air traffic data and time stamped satellite imagery – to European authorities. We will review those findings in detail later in this report. In stark contrast, US officials have been reluctant to do the same. Is Washington willing to share any object data or evidence to the public, or is it only interested in sharing that which somehow fits into the same predetermined narrative it stood by on July 17th, one which already assigned guilt to both rebel fighters in eastern Ukraine and Russia?
    We hope that political leaders and media organizations in the US and Europe will take the time to consider all available information, rather than simply repeat and spin what is bouncing around the media echo chamber. It’s also crucial to understand the geopolitical context in which this incident has occurred in order to discover who really possessed the motive, and the means to destroy this passenger aircraft, and which parties stand to benefit most from such an international incident.
    After reviewing the evidence, all indicators points to the downing of MH17 as a highly coordinated, but failed false flag event.

    MH17: A Doomed Flight Path
    A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.
    Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.

    MH-17-FLight-Path.

    As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.
    Robert Mark, a commercial pilot and editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, confirmed that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would normally travel along a route significantly further south than the route MH17 was diverted onto. Indeed, previous days’ flight records see here confirm that MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur is always assigned routes much further south than the one it took that fateful day.
    The fatal event occurred somewhere in the interval between 17:21:28 and 17:22:30 Moscow Time. The exact time of the crash is believed to be at 5:23pm. The last available geographic coordinates can be found here on Flight Radar24:

    Weather and Visibility Factor
    Kiev-based air traffic controllers not only led MH17 right over its alleged ‘target zone’ in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, but also helped make it visible.

    Although weather data online is all but unavailable for the area of Donetsk, Ukraine for July 17th, conditions are evident by numerous videos depicting the crash and crash site in the aftermath - it was cloudy and overcast, with more visibility above the cloud canopy. This factor is important because at the normal cruising altitude of 33,000 feet (10,000 meters), the airliner would not be visible from the ground in the rebel-held area where Washington is insisting a SAM missile was launched. Why did Kiev air traffic controllers order MH17 to suddenly drop its altitude, from 35,000 feet to 33,000 feet, just before the plane’s demise is unknown for sure, but it would have been near impossible for the alleged rebel gunman occupying this relatively small rebel-held patch of land to make a visual sighting of MH17 and acquire the target during the 1-2 minute window they would have had (assuming they were even in possession of the BUK missile system).

    To date, Kiev has refused to acknowledge or explain why the plane was moved into position in this way. Moreover, Interfax news agency reported that Ukraine’s SBU security service confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew immediately after the incident.

    The probability that this is all an ‘unfortunate coincidence’ reduces to near zero when one considers the air traffic data and Kiev’s denial of the close proximity of its Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet in pursuit of MH17 minutes before the crash (see ‘Aircraft in the Vicinity’ below).

    Small Rebel Target Window
    Much has been made by the US and its media of MH17 being shot down and crashing in “the rebel-held area”, but few are aware of just how small the said area actually is. The Ukrainian military had already isolated the rebel area which Kiev and Washington insist a rebel-controlled BUK SAM missile battery had fired on the passenger jet. The actual size of this rebel-held patch is only 40-50 miles wide, with MH17 approaching on a southeastern route over Horlivka, the frontline of this rebel-held zone, towards Snezhnoye (Snizhne).
    Cruising at 58o mph (933 kmph), MH17 would have only been visible for a very short time – just over 1 minute (if Kiev had not ordered MH17 to alter its course and altitude then it would not have been visible at all), from the vantage point of the alleged rebel firing position. According the Jane’s Defense, the alleged cluprit – an SA-11 (NATO code name) or ‘BUK’ missile system, requires 5 minutes set-up active targeting, followed by an additional 22 seconds ‘reaction time’ for target acquisition and firing. As the MH17 was only visible for 70 seconds above this rebel-held area surrounding Grabovo, unless the alleged rebel firing position was specifically tracking MH17 long before it entered the rebel-held airspace and could distinguish it from other military civilian aircraft also in the general vicinity, Washington’s theory and Kiev’s accusation – that rebels shot down this aircraft becomes even weaker.
    Considering these factors, the probability increases greatly that targeting MH17 would have had to be premeditated far in advance of the 70 seconds it was visible above this particular rebel-held area.

    Russian Satellite Data and Public Presentation
    On Monday, the Russian government, with almost every major global media outlet in attendance, released all of its air traffic data and satellite imaging data (in fact, only part of it) – all verifiable, including time stamps and supporting data. The entire content of the presentation was also handed over to the European authorities. The conclusions to be drawn from this are stunning, to say the least. Despite the public release of this information, US and British media outlets did report back to its people on these findings. They are as follows:
    Minutes before the downing of MH17, the plane made a mysterious ‘Left Turn’ as it flew over the Donetsk area at approximately 5:20pm Moscow time, making a sharp 14km deviation, before attempting to regain its previous course before dropping altitude disappearing from radar at 5:23pm. As we previously pointed out, air traffic controllers in Kiev had already diverted MH17 300 miles north into the target zone, so the question remains: was Kiev ATC also responsible for this final, fatal diversion, or is there another reason for this unusual turn (see ‘Mysterious Left Turn’, below)?

    According to clear satellite images provided, on July 16th, the Ukrainian Army positioned 3-4 anti-aircraft BUK M1 SAM missile batteries close to Donetsk. These systems included full launching, loading and radio location units, located in the immediate vicinity of the MH17 crash site. One system was placed approximately 8km northwest of Lugansk. In addition, a radio location system for these Ukrainian Army missile batteries is situated 5km north of Donetsk. On July 17th, the day of the incident, these batteries were moved to a position 8km south of Shahktyorsk. In addition to this, two other radio location units are also identified in the immediate vicinity. These SAM systems had a range of 35km distance, and 25km altitude.
    From July 18th, after the downing of MH17, Kiev’s BUK launchers were then moved away from the firing zone.

    Unlike rebel fighters, the Ukrainian military is in possession of some 27 BUK missile systems capable of bringing down high-flying jets, and forensic satellite imagery places at least 3 of their launchers in the Donetsk region on the day of this tragedy. Yet, Washington and NATO will not inquire about the possibility that any of these system had targeted MH17.
    This is a definitive smoking gun:
    why did the Ukrainian Army move these short-range anti-aircraft SAM missile batteries into position on July 16-17th – to an interior region of East Ukraine where it’s known that the rebel resistance possess no air crafts whatsoever? Not surprisingly, both the US and Kiev have not answered that difficult question, perhaps for obvious reasons.
    In addition, the Ukrainian Army’s radio location traffic near Donetsk peaked on the 16th and 17th, including a total of 9 separate radio location systems active. On the 18th and 19th of July, radio location traffic from these stations dropped sharply, down to 4 stations. If, as Washington/Kiev claims, rebels fired a BUK missile at MH17, then the rebel radar location signals would be clearly noted and verifiable on the day; only, they are not.

    MH17-MAP.

    All Aircraft in the Vicinity
    Between 5pm-6pm Moscow Time on July 17th, the following aircraft have been identified in the general vicinity of MH17 on its course heading to its fatal destination of Grabovo:
    1. Boeing 772 – traveling southeast from Copenhagen to Singapore at 5:17pm
    2. Boeing 778 – traveling southeast from Paris to Taipei at 5:24pm
    3. Boeing 778 – traveling northwest from Delhi to Berlin circa 5:20pm
    4. Boeing 777 – Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 at 5:17pm
    5. Su-25 Ukrainian Fighter Jet appears on radar, trailing MH17 at same altitude, est. 4km behind it at 5:21pm
    Note: the pilots and passengers of Singapore Airlines Flight SIA351 were close enough to have visually observed, at high altitude, the demise of MH17.

    At 5:20pm MH17 began to abruptly lose speed, eventually slowing to 124mph (200kmph). At this time, a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet appears on ATC radar and trailing MH17 on the same flight path approximately 2-3km behind MH17, and at the same altitude – only minutes before MH17 disappeared on radar. The Su-25 would not have been visible on ATC radar before it broke the ATC long-range standby radar tracking ceiling of 5km in altitude. Civilian ATC radar would not be able to identify this Su-25 as military because no secondary detection system is mounted – typical for military aircraft. Note also that the Su-25 is armed with air-to-air missiles with a range of 5km-12km. Over the next four minutes, the Ukrainian fighter remained in the area.

    Another Smoking Gun: Kiev government officials insisted on July 17th that, “No military aircraft were available in the region”. Based on available data detailed above, this appears to be a lie, indicating that a cover-up was taking place.
    Again, it’s important to note here that at the moment when MH17 was allegedly was hit for the first time, at around 5:23pm Moscow time, the passenger jet was also within the range of several Ukrainian BUK batteries deployed close to Donetsk and as well as the Ukrainian Army’s BUK system positioned on the day just 8km south of Shakhterskoye, only a few miles from the eventual crash site at Grabovo.

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    IMAGE: A Ukrainian military Su-25 fighter jet carries air-to-air missiles.
    MH17′s Mysterious Left Turn
    On passing glance, this seemingly minor, yet unexplained event doesn’t appear to be significant, but as is often the case, the devil is in the detail.
    Again, was Kiev ATC also responsible for MH17′s final and fatal diversion from its course, or is there another reason for what appears to be an evasive maneuver?
    One possible explanation for this crucial event in the timeline is that MH17 was hit, or damaged, taking an emergency 180º left turn for 14km, before disappearing completely off of radar. This appears to be the case. On July 23rd, Anna-News published an interview with retired Russian Air Force colonel Aleksand Zhilin (Александр Жилин) a frequent military commentator on Ukraine’s Civil War.
    “According to the colonel, at 16:19:45 (local time, and 5:19pm Moscow time), a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively to allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades (currently pinned down by rebels) in the southern pocket by the Russian border.”
    “When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and ordered the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing’s emergency landing. A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed.”
    21WIRE spoke to former Czech diplomat and political analyst, Vladimir Suchan, who puts Zhilin’s comments into context of what was happening militarily at the time of the crash. Suchan explains, “If MH17 was hit right over the frontline over Snezhnoye, this would have placed the timing and location of the intended downing and crash site to either the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army, or much closer to the border between Russia and Ukraine where the “securing of the site” would allow lifting the strategic encirclement of the Ukrainian troops in the south and thus, on top of other objectives, saving Kiev’s armed forces from its first major military defeat.” (see ‘Military All-Out Offense’ section below)
    If, indeed MH17 was struck by an air-to-air missile at that time, a distress call may have been sent to Kiev ATC, but as yet, Kiev officials may be reluctant to share, or release the entirety of its communications from July 17th.

    At the time of this report being filed at 21WIRE, a second source to verify this testimony is not presently available. Zhilin’s account certainly makes sense when placed next to all ATC and satellite data released by Moscow. However, flight recorder information and data from MH17′s black boxes would certainly be able to corroborate this timeline of events, and one hopes that Great Britain’s predetermined political stance against Russia does not prevent Downing Street, or MI5 Intelligence Services from releasing the black box information in its entirety and more importantly, a full and unedited disclosure to the media. More than likely, the BBC will have first access to this release, and how the BBC report their findings will be very telling.

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    Above, is one possible map of MH17 final minutes, as calculated from one source of available public data, available here: http://nikolay-istomin.livejournal.com/3057934.html.
    This account is also consistent with the location of key pieces of wreckage scattered over the wider crash site radius. It shows M17 turning back on itself, after being struck initially. If this was the final path, then it completely disapproves the US (US State Department) conspiracy theory that a rebel-controlled BUK missile hit the plane head-on from Snezhnoye (Snizhne). This U-turn then also helps explain why Kiev’s first “leaked conversation of the rebels” (see ‘Kiev’s Botch Social Media Audio’ below) tried to place the rebel’s BUK battery at a completely different location in Debaltzevo, a few kilometers northwest of the main crash site at Grabovo. However, that would not explain the U-turn, which they tried so much to conceal – for it points to the Ukrainian jet fighter.
    As part of their PR damage-control exercise, Washington released this Google Map-style graphic on Tuesday July 22nd, illustrating its theory that the rebel missile battery was now located in Snezhnoye:

    1-US-BUK-MISSILE-HOAX.

    Whistleblower: A Spanish Air Traffic Controller in Kiev
    All evidence pointing to a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet in the same frame as MH17, also validates the testimony of ‘Carlos’, an ATC contractor in Kiev.

    ETN received information from an air traffic controller (Borispol Airport) in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17:
    “This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board. The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down. Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from. Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.”
    Again, real mounting evidence which points to an obvious cover-up by Kiev and its NATO partners.
    Crime scene investigation is important, although reports to date from the crash site in Grabovo do not inspire much confidence, that a thorough and independent forensic investigation will be carried out. The key evidence would be ballistics, including pieces of shrapnel retrieved from the wreckage. It should be easy to determine if they came from any of the following:

    1. A bomb on board (this is still a possibility).
    2. An air-to-air missile.
    3. A surface-to-air missile.


    After that, the autopsy of the bodies would reveal additional evidence about what really took place on July 17th. At present, the majority of the remains are being handled by the Netherlands government, and given their NATO involvement to date in the Ukrainian conflict, it’s debatable whether or not they would present any findings which do not square with Washington and Kiev’s narrow, yet ever-evolving narrative of the incident.
    Finally, if MH17 was indeed shot down as a false flag provocation of war by either a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter, or a Ukrainian Army BUK SAM – or both, as much of the hard evidence suggests, then would Malaysia declare war on the Ukraine? Would the UN table a resolution backing sanctions against Ukrainian officials in Kiev for their role in this international war crime?

    US-NATO’s Military Drill in the Black Sea Ended on July 17th
    Russia’s Satellite Data and Public Presentation on Monday July 21st has put Washington on its back foot. The existence of this intelligence, now made public, along with other data in Russia’s possession, means that the Washington cannot show the real intelligence – which they too have. It’s no coincidence that US and NATO conducted a large-scale military and intelligence drill in the Black Sea just south of Crimea named, SEA BREEZE 2014, which just so happened to end on… July 7th. The drill included hundreds of US military specialists running ‘war simulations’ in electronic warfare, data collection from a spy satellite, and ‘monitoring’ of all passenger aircraft flying in the region. A massive drill – yet another improbable coincidence.

    Another smoking gun: Is it a coincidence that the US had its new experimental satellite positioned over Eastern Europe for 1-2 hours, and directly over Donetsk in eastern Ukraine from 5:06pm – 5:21pm. Taking this fact into consideration, alongside the other improbable ‘coincidences’, leads to an almost certain conclusion.
    In addition to SEA BREEZE, both US and British armed forces had also scheduled a concurrent military exercise, code named, Rapid Trident 2014, a NATO event which takes place annually in and around the Ukraine, designed to “promote regional stability and security, strengthen partnership capacity and foster trust while improving interoperability between the land forces of Ukraine, and NATO and partner nations,” according to the US Forces in Europe website. Since March, the Pentagon has kept quiet regarding the number of US forces, and hardware assets expected to participate in the maneuvers.
    According to US Army spokesman Col. Steven Warren, Rapid Trident is the only Ukraine military exercise the US planned to participate in this year, and it’s main purpose was, “To help the Ukrainian military improve its troops and weapons operability with NATO forces.”

    Ukrainian Military All-Out Offensive Timed For July 18th
    Three uncomfortable realities in Kiev were prevailing before the downing of MH17 on July 17th:
    First, the troops were losing morale, and suffering defections and other serious set-backs in an increasingly unpopular military theater of Eastern Ukraine. Kiev was losing the PR war hearts and minds in the Ukraine and abroad.
    After the downing of MH17, Kiev garnered huge public sympathy and support, and just so happened to launch a massive offensive on July 18th, one which military analysts believe would have to have been planned many weeks in advance – and could not just be a knee-jerk reaction to the MH17 tragedy as government spokespersons in Kiev insist.
    Secondly, they were losing the war. Behind the lines battle reports from Igor Strelkov’s blog at the time confirms this all-out offensive at Snezhnoye by the Kiev military planners against the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk – allowing the Ukrainian Army to penetrate deeper and deeper, in effect splitting Donetsk and Lugansk.

    Vladimir Suchan adds,
    “After the loss of MH17 and some talk about “humanitarian ceasefire”, the Kiev regime launched three massive offensives from the north, the west (from Artemovsk, which included a large tank attack) and in the south. Since it always takes some good time to prepare an offensive, this had to be planned sufficiently ahead, though, with a view of the desperate situation for the junta in the south, most likely at a very accelerated pace. http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vost...72014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html

    “In this regard, it is also very plausible that some hope was put on having the command of Novororrysia paralyzed, busy and distracted over MH17. By all accounts, both the timing and location of the MH17 crash, has enabled a huge ‘game changer’ in terms of how this conflict was previously going.”
    If the international community were indeed to connect the prospect of a false flag attack on MH17 with the false flag attack by Maidan snipers back in February, and the attempted false flag attack with the Odessa massacre, perhaps the Ukrainian Civil War could be abated, for the right reasons.
    Disturbing reports are also coming in about the Ukrainian Military dropping White Phosphorus on civilian targets this week, as forces continue bombarding areas surrounding of Lugansk. Here are two unconfirmed videos, possible evidence of unconventional chemical weapons being deployed over several locations near Lugansk People’s Republic of Novorossia, from July 20-21, 2014:


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    Thirdly, Kiev is going broke trying to fund what appears to be an ethnic cleansing campaign in eastern Ukraine. Sources from the Parliamentary budget office in Kiev now confirm that as of August 1st, Kiev can’t pay its military (who are, in fact, waging war against its own people and calling it ‘anti-terror operations).
    “To continue the anti-terrorist operation in eastern Ukraine, it is necessary to amend the state budget and to find additional sources of its content. We do not have money to pay at least a cash security to our military from August”, stated Ukraine’s Finance Minister Oleksandr Shlapak, speaking in Parliament this week. According to Shlapak, funds previously provided by the state budget for these purposes has been calculated for the period prior to July 1st, and continued operations will require additional funds totaling 9 billion UAH ($1 billion). Infighting has already begun, as MP’s are now blamingthe Ministry of Defense and army staff for corruption and looting of money.
    In the wake of the MH17 disaster, US and its NATO allies are responding with a renewed call for more military aid to Kiev and to fast-track the Ukraine’s membership into Washington’s overseas military surrogate, NATO. As an emergency response to “secure the crash site”, NATO stalwart, The Netherlands, are weighing up deploying NATO troops into the middle of this war zone. Such a move could easily cascade into something much worse should another bizarre “accident” occur, or some tragedy befalls Dutch troops inserted into the hot zone.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has responded with strong words of condemnation, stating,
    “No matter what our Western counterparts tell us, we can see what’s going on. As it stands, NATO is blatantly building up its forces in Eastern Europe, including the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea areas. Its operational and combat training activities are gaining in scale.”

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    While the US push Kiev eastwards to fight Washington’s proxy war against Russia, the political and financial situation in Kiev is rapidly falling apart.
    On Thursday July 24th, Victoria Nuland’s puppet leader following a US-backed, violent military coup back in February, Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy ‘Yatz’ Yatsenyuk (photo, left) announced his resignation in connection with the collapse of a Washington-designed coalition and parliament blocking government initiatives.

    Made-up ‘Evidence’ From Washington and Kiev

    The talking point shift by the US media on Tuesday July 22nd was an obvious reaction to the Russian data dump. US media are now airing Washington DC’s revised conspiracy theories. Theory 1) “The rebels shot MH17 down by mistake”, and Theory 2) “Russia is responsible for creating the conditions for this tragedy”.

    In reality, no evidence actually exists to date, other than anecdotal, that the rebels in the east possess any ‘BUK’ surface-to-air missile systems (see Washington and Kiev’s ‘BUK’ Missile Evidence Debunked’, below).
    Close observers of Washington DC’s media blitz can only be left with a feeling of embarrassment, as the US State Department still clings to some semblance of continuity in the face of a total PR meltdown. As late as July 22nd, the US State Department was still attempting to pass-off its ‘evidence’ from social media (Twitter and YouTube), and backed-up by what it claims is “common sense”, that “clearly indicates Ukrainian militia shot down MH17″.
    Since the incident on July 17th, the Kiev regime and US State Department have built their case against Rebels in eastern Ukraine and Moscow, and even Vladimire Putin himself, on the following items, which have all been thoroughly discredited by now:
    1. The audio “tapes” issued by Kiev
    2. A video and photos of BUK missile batteries issued by Kiev (of their own BUK missile batteries)
    3. Claims by Kiev and supported by the West, that Ukraine had “no military aircraft in the air” at the time of the crash of the MH17 plane.


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    On July 22nd, the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko (photo right) was forced to change Kiev’s story - a damage-control exercise to the overwhelming evidence against Ukraine. He has since reversed this position.
    Suchan explains the western political media machine and its all-out effort to cast Russia and Putin as international pariahs over the incident:
    “What has been thus established is that Ukraine, as well as the US, the EU, NATO, and other Western countries, have been systematically and grossly lying about evidence pertaining to the tragedy of MH17, thus willfully – and bluntly, abusing the tragedy and the demise of the victims and the suffering of their families for perverse political goals related to NATO expansionism and anti-Russian hysteria, and ‘Russophobia’, in order to support an openly fascist regime in Kiev, whose objective is the deliberate destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure in east Ukraine.”
    “The smearing campaign has also been used to demonize and criminalize anti-fascism and its resistance to a fascist dictatorship in Kiev, enrolled by Ukraine’s criminal oligarchs.”

    Washington and Kiev’s ‘BUK’ Missile Evidence Debunked
    Immediately after the MH17 crash event on July 17th, the Ukrainian government in Kiev quickly uploaded a brief YouTube video it purported to be ‘evidence’ of “a ‘BUK’ missile system being moved” out of a rebel-held area near Donetsk. US State Department officials, and every US media outlet, led by CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC and CBS, along with major US talk radio hosts like Sean Hannity, immediately jumped on this 5 second YouTube video claiming it was, “Irrefutable proof that a Russian-made BUK missile system was being moved away after it shot down MH17″. That talking point began to cascade from media, and into public chatter. It seemed their job was all but done.

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    Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation newspaper , The Sun, always ready to take any pro-war line to the extreme, led the ‘conflict pornography’ on news stands, intentionally inciting fear and jingoism, doing what it always does: nudge British working class readers in a predetermined direction and fuse public opinion among differing classes on divisive international issues. No surprise then, as The Sun ran, “Putin’s Missile” as its headline the next morning. Similar covers and headlines were cloned across US and British media. Within hours of the news breaking – and despite this blanket coverage, not one of these newspapers or TV broadcasters offered any real evidence outside of anecdotal and wild speculation and conjectural theories.
    Once again, we’ve witnessed world’s most powerful, highly coordinated and synchronized propaganda machine. Once it’s set in motion, most western consumers are helpless to fend off it’s relentless repeating and universal coverage across hundreds of media outlets owned in most part by 5 US, and 2 British corporations.
    A similar attempt was made by Washington and London last September, when US Secretary of State John Kerry, along with then British Foreign Secretary William Hague, presented their now infamous claim of ‘open source evidence’ (YouTube videos) used to assign blame to the Syrian government for a chemical weapons attack against its own people. Many of the photos and videos were later proven to be faked and staged, and ‘the gas’ was made in Britain, and that ‘chemical attack’ was in fact staged by Syrian insurgents still being supported by the US-British-Saudi-Qatari Axis.

    Washington’s initial ‘BUK Missile’ social media evidence seems to be rapidly heading down the same memory hole as its Syria predecessor, and soon, it will not be mentioned again by any US official. The speed at which it was released after the crash, and the fact that falsified audio, video, and photos have been intentionally released by the Kiev government in the wake of such a tragedy, demonstrates a clear motive to deceive the public about who is to blame for the MH17 event – using falsified evidence to build a case against ‘pro-Russian separatists’ and Moscow, and even Russian President Vladimir Putin himself.
    What is obvious, but not being discussed in mainstream western circles, is that like Syria, Washington and its NATO allies have been openly conducting a proxy war in the Ukraine, and have managed to control media coverage in the west so that what clearly a Civil War in the Ukraine – is being cynically, and very wrongly labeled as an “anti-terror operation”. On a daily basis, the Ukrainian Military are carrying out attacks on civilian targets all over Eastern Ukraine, killing thousands of its own innocent citizens with the full logistical and financial backing of the Washington and NATO. In Syria, the tables are reversed, where the government in Damascus is clearly fighting against known al Qaeda and ISIS-linked foreign terrorists brigades, as Washington and London politicians and media insist on calling it a ‘civil war’. Both are classic proxy wars being waged by the NATO block of nations.

    More Falsified and Sloppy ‘Evidence’ Supplied by SBU Defense Ministry in Kiev
    Let’s start with the famous 5 second YouTube video released by Kiev and lauded by Washington, CNN, ABC, FOX et all, of a BUK missile battery being moved, we were told, secretly by rebels out of the area after the plane crash.
    Not only does signage clearly visible in the video place this truck in Krasnoarmeysk – a town which has been in control of the Ukrainian Army since May 11th. Here is one early news release of the now discredited video.



    In the absence of any real evidence or data, it’s worth asking who has paid large sums of money to create a 3-D computer animation sequences, of what the US/Kiev governments claim look place?

    In addition to falsified the YouTube video, Kiev also published falsified photos of an alleged BUK missile system on July 19th. Kiev’s Security Service (SBU) published photos online it claimed showed ‘Russia’ secretly withdrawing a BUK-M system from the Ukraine civil war zone, but shortly after publishing this article the photos in question were deleted. The photo released by Kiev was actually an image taken of its own military’s BUK missiles – ironically, our readers will find that Kiev showing photos of its own systems is much closer to the real story than we previously thought.
    Somewhat haphazardly, Kiev’s SBU, which is overseen by the new CIA station occupying the top floor in the same building in Kiev, released two more videos meant to assign blame to rebels in Donetsk, with Kiev claiming these were of Russian-made BUK-M being transported back to Russia on July 18th after the crash – but both videos were clearly shot during the winter time, with one found to have been previously published in March. Again, more intentional lying by Kiev, in order to assign blame to ‘pro-Russian Separatists’, and Moscow.

    Kiev’s Botched Social Media ‘Audio Clips’
    Early on, Washington and the entire western media machine, made much of two audio ‘tapes’ released via YouTube by Kiev officials, alleged to be taken from conversations between ‘pro-Russian separatist’ rebel commanders.


    Both Kiev and Washington held these up as ‘evidence’ of rebels using a BUK SAM missile system to shoot down MH17. The only problem here, is that both ‘tapes’ contradict each other regarding the location of the alleged missile batteries.
    Vladimir Suchan points out the obvious, “The identification of the direction of the blast then also disproves the junta’s videos with “leaked conversations” from yesterday and today–for the missile could not then be launched either from Debaltzevo, or Donetsk, as claimed on both tapes -these places were by then a bit far, and not in front of MH17. That’s also evidently why, today the junta’s sites are claiming that the BUK missile battery was supposed to be in Snezhnoye, forgetting all about their first tape leak with commander ‘Bes’ from Gorlovka (40 miles north-west). If the Ukrainian Army used a BUK missile, then it would most likely have been fired from north of Amvrosivka, which is a place of a large concentration of Ukrainian troops. It is also southwest of Torez and Snezhnoye in the proximity of which the crash site is located. BUK missiles have a range of up to 20 miles. Enough for a battery in the Amvrosivka region.”
    Zero Hedge reported on July 17th:

    The only problem is that there is absolutely no way to confirm who “Major” and “Grek” are, and considering the entire Ukraine civil war has been merely one provocation and counter-provocation after another, explicitly staged in advance by either the CIA on the side of Kiev or the Kremlin on the Russian side, one does have to wonder whether the said two “smoking gun” participants aren’t merely two random people speaking Russian and reading off a script?
    The clip concludes with another unnamed “Militant” who supposedly is speaking to Mykola Kozitsyn, one of the purported leaders of the Cossacks operating in east Ukraine. The Militant makes it clear to Kozitsyn that it is not a military plane and has “Malaysian Airlines” written on the side. One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide.”


    In addition, multiple independent analysis’s of these audio recordings also reveals that these audio recordings were not integral files, indicating they were spliced together, as is evident from the different time stamp dates visible from the raw audio data. It also reveals at least one portion was recorded, or edited on July 16th – before the crash of MH17. ITAR-TASS Agency confirms this:
    “The tape’s second fragment consists of three pieces but was presented as a single audio recording. However, a spectral and time analysis has showed that the dialog was cut into pieces and then assembled. Short pauses in the tape are very indicative: the audio file has preserved time marks which show that the dialog was assembled from various episodes, the expert said. The tape’s linguistic analysis also shows that those who made the faked tape clearly did not have enough material and time, the expert said. That is why, speech fragments can hardly correlate with each other in terms of their sense and the spectral picture of audio materials also differs, the expert said. But the most indicative moment is that the audio tape clearly shows that it was created almost a day before the airliner crash, the expert said.”
    Only one conclusion can be drawn here: these tapes were faked, and released after the crash in order to assign blame on rebels and Russia for this event.

    In addition to this, video production on both Kiev ‘tapes’ matches a previous YouTube video – same graphics style and editing, which was previously proven to be another fake. Interestingly, Ukrainian producers used the same actor, an alleged Cossack rebel commander, Mykola Kozitsyn, in their MH17 audio production. Zero Hedge also reveals: “Finally, we clearly have no way of authenticating the recording or the participants, it was just over a month ago, on June 5, when in another attempt to cast blame and discredit the separatists, Ukraine released another trademark YouTube clip seeking to disparage and frame Kozitsyn, entitled “Russian Cossack Formations are Responsible For Chaos In Ukraine.”
    In summary, multiple falsified information releases by Kiev government officials only points to one conclusion: a cover-up. By contrast, Russia officials have not released any falsified or fraudulent ‘evidence’ to assign blame to any parties – instead Moscow released all of its verifiable data surrounding the incident which has now forced Washington to rethink its wild approach which previously tried to pin responsibility on Russia itself…

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    IMAGE: President Obama and John Kerry unable to settle on a version of events (Photo: RCJ)

    US Now in Full Retreat and Damage-Control Mode
    Amazingly, in a US State Department briefing led by Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf on Tuesday July 22nd, Harf insisted that, yes, US intelligence officials still include these ‘social media’ posts as part of what Secretary of State John Kerry describes as a “mountain of evidence”.

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    Obviously under great pressure to show strength in the face of a complete collapse in confidence, Harf (photo, left) could be seen stuttering and twitching nervously as difficult questions were raised by members of the media. In one of the biggest flops in State Dept. history, Harf appeared so desperate to shed any further questions on ‘social media evidence’, that she opted for a fatal gaff - stating on record that “US intelligence officials have authenticated the audio”. Unless she means they’ve authenticated these as fake, this statement may come back to haunt US officials. Many are now calling it a bold-faced lie, designed to cover-up the mishandling and over-politicization of posts found on social media, shamelessly used by Washington to promote a war agenda.
    As a result, CNN and others are now scavenging the tragedy, trying to hide the emerging facts under the heap of its “fair and balanced” mainstream conspiracy theories. The story has now shifted from what happened, to how US politicians are dealing with the crisis, as was evident after one major outlet who ran this headline, “Obama: What exactly are they trying to hide?”
    On Tuesday, the US government finally admitted (as well as it could), that it had been bluffing about its ‘certainty’ that Russia was behind the downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17.

    Washington’s New Conspiracy Theory
    In a damage control exercise this past Tuesday, Washington invited members of the majors like the Washington Post and the LA Times, to an ‘intelligence update’ briefing, and a press conference run by the inexperienced Marie Harf.

    The Los Angeles Times reported:
    “U.S. intelligence agencies have so far been unable to determine the nationalities or identities of the crew that launched the missile. U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 [anti-aircraft missile] was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems.”
    The quiet U-turn by Washington signals that its previous case blaming the rebels has been destroyed, and rather than concede that the Ukrainian Army has actually shot down MH17, they’ve chosen to instead concoct a new revision about a “rogue defector” and his “rogue team” who happen to be wearing Ukrainian Army uniforms.
    Washington’s new and creative official conspiracy theories now include:
    1. Ukrainian separatists shot down plane by mistake after misreading ‘fuzzy’ radar images on a much-too sophisticated AS-11 system (as if US intelligence officials were actually there), probably mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military plane (reverting to their original line).
    2. Missile that brought down Malaysian jet probably fired by ‘ill-trained crew’ of pro-Russian rebels


    The “ill-trained crew” theory is the work of one U.S. official who, “requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the issue”. And who could blame him?
    Finally, Washington ends up at a place it knows well – reducing a major geopolitical event or crime down to the work of a lone wolf, or in this case, a ‘rogue defector’ from the Ukrainian Army, an image which will no doubt fuel even more wild commentary by Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, George Stephanopoulos and Sean Hannity.

    American investigative reporter Robert Parry (who broke many of the Iran-Contra scandal for AP and Newsweek in the 80′s) published this on Consortium News, July 20th (based on his CIA source):
    “What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.”

    This account is fully consistent with
    1) the “anonymous US intelligence officers’ briefing from US mainstream media on Tuesday July 22,” as reported,
    2) the briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense on July 21 and,
    3) Alexandr Zhilin‘s analysis previously covered.
    Backpedaling even further, Washington has officially downgraded its overall indictment, with another ‘senior intelligence official’ announcing a brand new party line – a weaker thesis, somehow claiming that, “Russia created the conditions for this to happen”.

    More Western Media Manipulation
    London’s media arms have also sprung into action in an attempt to reinforce Washington-NATO-Kiev Axis assignment of guilt. In a classic demonstration of its pro-Foreign Office institutional bias, Guardian writer Shawn Walker carefully attempts to contain the western guilty verdict, considering only ‘pro-Russian rebels’ and intentionally reinforcing the ‘Rebel-BUK conspiracy theory’.
    Walker states, “Claims by pro-Russia separatists in east Ukraine that they have never been in possession of the missile launcher apparently used to down flight MH17 are looking increasingly flimsy, as several witnesses told the Guardian they had seen what appeared to be a Buk missile launcher in the vicinity of the crash site last Thursday.

    The sightings back up a number of photographs and videos posted online that put the Buk system close to the crash site on the day of the disaster. Just before lunchtime last Thursday, prior to the Malaysia Airlines plane’s takeoff, a Buk was driven through Gagarin Street, one of the central thoroughfares of Torez, witnesses said.”
    The Guardian could very well be relaying genuine eyewitness accounts here, but only advanced media watchers will have noticed the slight of hand being applied here: Walker has ruled out any other possible suspects other than rebels – skillfully hiding his paper’s bias in reporting by pouring evidence collected into a pre-determined verdict. If the Guardian were not applying an institutional (British Foreign Office pre-determined conclusion) bias, then its editor would have combined the eyewitness accounts to the clear satellite photographic evidence provided by the Russian authorities, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out who was really in possession of these surface-to-air missile systems – the Ukrainian military.

    Official US Plan to Destroy Civilian Aircraft for Diplomatic Gain
    The first official known plan to fake the destruction of a civilian aircraft was drafted by the US Pentagon in 1962. A former NSA analyst at Strategic Culture reports:
    “The use of commercial passenger planes as false flag targets of opportunity for U.S. national security and intelligence planners is nothing new.
    The U.S. National Archives yielded an explosive formerly classified document some five months before the 9/11 attack in 2001. The document, “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba”, outlined for Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, a series of false flag attacks, code named Operation Northwoods, which would be carried out by the United States on various targets but be blamed on the Fidel Castro government of Cuba. Dated March 13, 1962, the Top Secret Northwoods document was prepared by America’s top covert Special Operations officer, General Edward Lansdale.”


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    The Northwoods plans called for the sinking of a boatload of Cuban refugees en route from Cuba to U.S. shores, blowing up an American ship in Cuban waters, and more importantly in light of the recent downing of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 over eastern Ukraine, faking a Cuban Air Force attack on a civilian jetliner.
    Lansdale and his Northoods planners concluded that the U.S. invasion of Cuba would receive wide support as a result of an outraged public. The document states:
    “World opinion and the United Nations forum should be favorably affected by developing the international image of Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere.”
    Most certainly, this blueprint by US intelligence is mirrored today in 2014, as the US and its NATO member allies (and media assets in tow) using totally synchronized messaging – dominated by wild speculation, hyperbole and hysteria characterizing the rebels in the east of Ukraine as terrorists, Russia as the enemy, and President Vladimir Putin as ‘the personification of evil’ for American and British media consumers.


    All we need now is the truth.
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    MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-v...us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317

    [6:23:35 PM- Thursday, August 14th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: MH17 was shot down by Ukrainian machine guns from fighter jets
    [6:24:09 PM] Shiloh: Last October was the image of this August
    [6:24:20 PM] Sirius 17: oh really, well from the fact that they have the Ukrainian fighter jet on radar i knew it was fishy then
    [6:24:43 PM] Shiloh: Of course the wreckage shows bullet holes inside out
    [6:24:52 PM] Sirius 17: ok that makes sense
    [6:25:04 PM] Sirius 17: yes i noticed that too and thought it odd
    [6:25:13 PM] Shiloh: So it might have been 2 jets one on either side
    [6:25:18 PM] Sirius 17: if it was just one missle strike then why all the bullet holes?
    [6:25:25 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [6:25:57 PM] Shiloh: I posted details on spruz
    [6:25:57 PM] Sirius 17: all of this is suppressed in the news here lately
    [6:26:03 PM] Sirius 17: they don't talk much about it
    [6:26:05 PM] Shiloh: Of course blame Putin
    [6:26:17 PM] Sirius 17: yes and sanctions
    [6:26:32 PM] Shiloh: The flight attendant telling the plane to change course was sent 'on holiday'
    [6:26:41 PM] Shiloh: No mention of this on ms
    [6:26:47 PM] Sirius 17: great
    [6:27:28 PM] Sirius 17: well we had another ethic shooting by police here
    [6:27:38 PM] Sirius 17: they gunned down an unarmed 18 year old
    [6:27:41 PM] Sirius 17: black kid
    [6:27:43 PM] Sirius 17: again
    [6:27:59 PM] Sirius 17: and so people are rioting about it
    [6:28:12 PM] Sirius 17: they won't even release the cops name who shot the kid
    [6:28:17 PM] Sirius 17: from 35 feet away
    [6:28:58 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
    [6:32:27 PM] Shiloh: Its news here
    [6:36:19 PM] Shiloh: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-russian-threat-washington-chokes-truth-with-lies/5395883
    [6:36:32 PM] Shiloh: Looks like I did not post on MH17
    [6:37:50 PM] Shiloh: http://www.globalresearch.ca/ron-paul-us-likely-hiding-truth-on-downed-malaysian-flight-mh17/5395796
    [6:39:47 PM] Sirius 17: i thought you did
    [6:40:03 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i have always liked Ron Paul
    [6:40:14 PM] Shiloh: http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-v...us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317
    [6:40:18 PM] Sirius 17: he was never afraid to tell it like it was
    [6:40:21 PM] Shiloh: i did post on this
    [6:40:41 PM] Sirius 17: yes but you could do another post
    [6:40:54 PM] Sirius 17: these are two good articles
    [6:41:00 PM] Shiloh:

    MH17′s Mysterious Left Turn

    On passing glance, this seemingly minor, yet unexplained event doesn’t appear to be significant, but as is often the case, the devil is in the detail.
    Again, was Kiev ATC also responsible for MH17′s final and fatal diversion from its course, or is there another reason for what appears to be an evasive maneuver?
    One possible explanation for this crucial event in the timeline is that MH17 was hit, or damaged, taking an emergency 180º left turn for 14km, before disappearing completely off of radar. This appears to be the case. On July 23rd, Anna-News published an interview with retired Russian Air Force colonel Aleksand Zhilin (Александр Жилин) a frequent military commentator on Ukraine’s Civil War.

    “According to the colonel, at 16:19:45 (local time, and 5:19pm Moscow time), a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively to allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades (currently pinned down by rebels) in the southern pocket by the Russian border.”
    “When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and ordered the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing’s emergency landing. A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed.”

    Ron Paul: US ‘Likely Hiding Truth’ on Downed Malaysian Flight MH17
    By RT
    Global Research, August 13, 2014
    RT 11 August 2014
    Region: Russia and FSU
    In-depth Report: UKRAINE REPORT


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    Former Congressman Ron Paul said the US knows ‘more than it is telling’ about the Malaysian aircraft that crashed in eastern Ukraine last month, killing 298 people on board and seriously damaging US-Russian relations in the process.
    In an effort to inject some balance of opinion, not to mention pure sanity, into the ongoing debate over what happened to Malaysian Flight MH17, Ron Paul is convinced the US government is withholding information on the catastrophe.
    “The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile,” Paul said on his news website on Thursday.
    Ron Paul to Obama: Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!

    Paul’s comments are in sharp contrast to the echo chamber of one-sided opinion inside Western mainstream media, which has almost unanimously blamed anti-Kiev militia for bringing down the commercial airline. Incredibly, in many cases Washington had nothing to show as evidence to incriminate pro-Russian rebels aside from tenuous references to social media.
    “We’ve seen that there were heavy weapons moved from Russia to Ukraine, that they have moved into the hands of separatist leaders,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest. “And according to social media reports, those weapons include the SA-11 [Buk missile] system.”

    In another instance, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters “the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine, and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions.” When veteran AP reporter Matthew Lee asked for proof, he was to be disappointed.
    “I can’t get into the sources and methods behind it,” Harf responded. “I can’t tell you what the information is based on.” Lee said the allegations made by the State Department on Ukraine have fallen far short of“definitive proof.”
    Just days after US intelligence officials admitted they had no conclusive evidence to prove Russia was behind the downing of the airliner, Kiev published satellite images as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site. However, these images have altered time-stamps and are from the days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry revealed, fully discrediting the Ukrainian claims.

    In yet another inexplicable occurrence, Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet approaching the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. No acceptable explanation has ever been given by Kiev as to why this fighter aircraft was so close to the doomed passenger jet moments before it was brought down.
    “[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” Russian Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov demanded days after the crash.
    Paul has slammed the Obama administration, despite its arsenal of surveillance technologies at its disposal, for its failure to provide a single grain of evidence to solve the mystery of the Malaysian airliner.
    “It’s hard to believe that the US, with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine, that precise proof of who did what and when is not available,” the two-time presidential candidate said.
    “Too bad we can’t count on our government to just tell us the truth and show us the evidence,” Paul added. ”I’m convinced that it knows a lot more than it’s telling us.”

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    Although no sufficient evidence has been presented to prove that the anti-Kiev militia was responsible for the downing of the international flight, such an inconvenient oversight has not stopped the United States and Europe from slapping economic sanctions and travel bans against Russia.

    Moscow hit back, saying it would place a ban on agricultural imports from the United States and the European Union. Russia’s tit-for-tat ban will certainly be felt, as food and agricultural imports from the US amounted to $1.3 billion last year, according to the US Department of Agriculture. In 2013, meanwhile, the EU’s agricultural exports to Russia totaled 11.8 billion euros ($15.8 billion).
    After the crash, Ron Paul was one of a few voices calling for calm as US officials were pointing fingers without a shred of evidence to support their claims. Paul has not been afraid to say the painfully obvious things the US media, for any number of reasons, cannot find the courage to articulate.

    “They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych,” Paul said. “Without US-sponsored ‘regime change,’ it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.”
    Paul also found it outrageous that Western media, parroting the government line, has reported that the Malaysian flight must have been downed by “Russian-backed separatists,” because the BUK missile that reportedly brought down the aircraft was Russian made.
    “They will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons,” he emphasized.


    Desperate MH17 “Intelligence” Spin by Ukraine Secret Service: Pro-Russian Rebels had Targeted a Russian Passenger Plane. “But Shot Down Flight MH17 by Mistake”

    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
    Global Research, August 11, 2014
    Theme: Intelligence, Media Disinformation, US NATO War Agenda
    In-depth Report: UKRAINE REPORT


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    The official MH17 narrative still prevails: the “pro-Russian rebels” shot down Malaysian airlines MH17 with a Buk missile system provided by Russia.
    In a new and rather unusual twist, however, according to the Kiev regime, the Donetsk militia did not intend to shoot down Malaysian airlines MH17. What the “pro-Russian rebels” were aiming at was a Russian Aeroflot passenger plane.
    The MH17 was shot down “by mistake” according to an official statement by the head of Ukraine’s Secret Service, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko (Ukraine News Service, August 7, 2014)


    According to SBU Chief Nalyvaichenko:
    “Ukraine’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies have established during the investigation into a terrorist attack on the Boeing… that on that day, July 17, and at that time military mercenaries and terrorists from the Russian Federation planned to carry out a terrorist attack against a passenger aircraft of Aeroflot en route from Moscow to Larnaca… as a pretext for the further invasion by Russia,”
    “This cynical terrorist attack was planned for the day when the [Malaysia Airlines] plane happened to fly by, planned by war criminals as a pretext for the further military invasion by the Russian Federation, that is, there would be a casus belli,” he added.
    Thus, according Nalyvaichenko, the terrorists downed the Malaysian airliner by mistake.” (Ukraine Interfax News, August 8, 2014)
    Nalyvaichenko said that the Kiev government reached this conclusion “in the course of its own investigation into the downing of MH17″.
    According to Britain’s foremost news tabloid, The Mail on Sunday, quoting the head of Ukraine intelligence, the insidious design of the pro-Russian rebels (supported by Moscow) was to shoot down a Russian commercial airline plane, with a view to blaming the Ukrainian government. The objective of this alleged “false flag” covert op was to create a justifiable and credible pretext for Vladimir Putin to declare war on Ukraine.
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    In an utterly twisted logic, according to Ukraine’s head of intelligence:
    “the [Donesk] rebels were meant to down [the] Aeroflot plane… to justify the invasion [of Ukraine by Russia]“,
    Valentyn Nalyvaichenko (right), head of Ukraine intelligence confirms that the pro-Russian rebels were “aiming at a Russian passenger plane “so Putin had reason to invade”.
    “the crime was planned as a ground for bringing of Russian troops into Ukraine, that is – CASUS BELLI for the Russian military invasion.” (Official statement of Ukraine Security Service, in annex below)
    In a bitter irony, the alleged “false flag” covert op got muddled. The Donesk rebels got it all wrong and hit the MH17 plane by mistake.
    That’s the “official line” now emanating from Kiev’s “intelligent” Secret Service (SBU), yet to be corroborated by their Western intelligence counterparts including the CIA and Britain’s MI6 which are actively collaborating with Ukraine’s SBU.
    The head of Ukraine’s secret service has claimed rebels intended to down a Russian airliner to give Vladimir Putin a pretext for invasion – but blasted Flight MH17 out of the sky by mistake. (ibid)
    In its authoritative report, the British news tabloid fails to beg the important question: why on earth would pro-Russian rebels who are at war with the Kiev regime shoot down a Russian passenger plane AFL-2074 allegedly with a view to harnessing Russia’s support?
    What’s more, according to SBU Chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko’s statement, Moscow was helping the pro-Russian rebels in their alleged false flag op to shoot down Russia’s Aeroflot plane by providing them with a Buk missile system, which had been discretely smuggled across the border to the Donesk region of Eastern Ukraine. The Aeroflot plane was slated to be “shot down over territory controlled by Ukrainian government troops”:
    Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said that Russian-backed fighters were supposed to take their BUK rocket launcher – which had been transported across the Russian border – to a village called Pervomaiskoe in Ukrainian-held territory west of Donetsk.

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    Image source: Mail on Sunday, August 10, 2014

    But they “screwed up”. The Buk rocket launcher was apparently positioned in the wrong rural location (see image above) and because of that it targeted the MH17 by mistake:
    Instead, they mistakenly positioned it in a rebel-controlled village of the same name to the east of the city.
    Got it wrong? Valentyn Nalyvaichenko claims pro-Russian rebels targeted the wrong civilian airliner
    If they had gone where they had been ordered, he said, they would have hit an Aeroflot flight carrying civilians travelling from Moscow to Larnaca in Cyprus.
    Crucially, the crash site would have been in Ukrainian-held territory. (Mail on Sunday)
    The pro-Russian rebels had allegedly planned an Operation Northwoods type “false flag” with utmost proficiency. The covert op consisted in downing a Russian passenger plane with Moscow’s support. The alleged objective was for Moscow to place the blame on the government of Ukraine for having ordered the downing of the Aeroflot plane (resulting in the deaths of Russian tourists), thereby creating a “useful wave of indignation” across the Russian Federation.
    The alleged “false flag” slated to be implemented by the Donetsk “terrorists and mercenaries” would then, according to the scenario depicted by Ukraine’s Chief Spy, spearhead public support for a Russian invasion of Ukraine, with patriotic Russian troops coming to the rescue of the “pro-Russian separatists”:
    The mass killing of Russian tourists could then have been blamed on the Ukrainian army, giving Moscow a justification for invasion, said Mr Nalyvaichenko, head of the Ukrainian intelligence service, the SBU. (ibid)
    The official SBU report states that the:
    “Russian side would need a compelling argument for such a step, for example accusation of the Ukrainian government in mass murder of the Russian citizens [on the plane]” (See complete SBU statement in Annex below).
    According to the head of Ukraine’s Secret Service: “It is incredibly cynical that the act of terrorism was planned [by the rebels] against peaceful innocent Russian citizens who were on the way to their holidays with children”:
    ‘This cynical terrorist act was intended to justify an immediate military invasion by the Russian Federation,’ he said.
    Aeroflot flight AFL2074 was close to Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it was blown out of the sky on July 17, killing all 298 on board, he said.
    … He claimed this was a significant conclusion of Kiev’s probe into MH17’s downing. (Ibid)
    A Russian invasion plan had allegedly been scheduled –according to the official SBU report– to take place on July 18, on the day following the planned downing of Aeroflot flight 2074. But when the MH17 flight was downed by mistake, the Russian invasion plan scheduled for July 18, according to the Kiev scenario, was cancelled.


    Operation Northwoods

    It is worth noting that an earlier GR report pointed to the possibility of an Operation Northwoods type False Flag undertaken not by Russia but by the Kiev regime (in liaison with Washington) with a view to blaming Russia for the downing of flight MH17.

    While there is no proof as yet of a Kiev sponsored false flag, the available evidence collected sofar is damning: reports confirm unequivocally the presence of at least one Ukrainian military aircraft in proximity of the flight path of MH17. Moreover, the fuselage of the plane had machine gun like bullet holes.


    Mainstream Media Response to Kiev Regime’s Accusations

    Normally, the Western media would provide ample coverage and commentary to an official Kiev statement pertaining to MH17 and accusing Russia. It’s part of the MSM routine of “Russia bashing” and demonizing president Vladimir Putin.
    With the exception of Ukraine News Service and London’s Mail on Sunday report, however, the official statement of the head of Ukraine’s Secret Service has gone largely unnoticed. Normally, a declaration of this nature would be picked up by the wire services with syndicated reports flooding the front page of the Western news chain.
    Was the mainstream media instructed to temporarily “put a hold” on reporting on the “revelations” of Ukraine’s Secret Service.
    The Kiev regime’s allegations are far-fetched to say the least: the Donesk rebels –largely involved in combat operations– have neither the capabilities nor the desire to undertake a complex intelligence operation of this nature. What purpose would it serve? Cui Bono?
    Does Russia require a fake humanitarian pretext to intervene when more than 1000 civilians in the Donbass region have been killed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, not to mention the Odessa massacre perpetrated by the Kiev regime’s Neo-Nazi national guard.
    Ironically, barely four days after being accused by Kiev of planning to invade Ukraine, Russia’s President Putin agreed with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso that Moscow would not only collaborate with the Red Cross on channeling humanitarian aid to Eastern Ukraine through Russian territory, but that the agreement reached with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), had the support of the Kiev government.
    Russia bashing in the MSM seems to be “on hold”. In turn, neither the Russian government nor the Russian media have commented on (or responded to) the accusations directed against Moscow contained in Ukraine’s dodgy Secret Service’s MH17 report.


    Dodgy Ukraine MH17 Intelligence Report: Kiev’s Western “Allies”

    Was Washington consulted before the release of the dodgy SBU False Flag report?
    Did Washington give them the “Green Light” to the release of the SBU report as a means of “Framing Russia”? Or did the White House or the State Department decide that the SBU’s “fake intelligence” was visibly flawed and could not effectively be used for propaganda purposes against Russia?
    Were the CIA and MI6 consulted? Britain’s Secret Service MI6 has access to the plane’s black box, which was handed over by the Dutch task force to an unnamed partner entity in the UK.
    Sofar, neither the White House nor the mainstream media, not to mention the US intelligence community, have commented on the Ukraine’s August 7 SBU statement, which has been officially endorsed by the Kiev government.

    It is worth noting that the statement of Ukraine’s intelligence service was made following the release of evidence by the OSCE mission that there were “machine gun like bullet holes” on the fuselage indicating that the MH17 had been brought down by cannon fire from a military aircraft.

    Ukraine’s Chief Spy Valentyn Nalyvaichenko confirms that the SBU report on the downing of MH17 –which accuses the Donetsk rebels of implementing a “false flag” operation– has been submitted to the MH17 investigation task force headed by The Netherlands.


    Annex

    Official Statement of Ukraine’s Security Service (August 7, 2014)
    Terrorists and Militants planned cynical terrorist attack at Aeroflot civil aircraft
    [emphasis added]

    During the investigation of Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 downing the law enforcement and intelligence bodies established that terrorists and militants have cynically planned the terrorist attack at Aeroflot civil aircraft, AFL-2074 Moscow-Larnaca, which was flying over the territory of Ukraine at that moment. Hereof informed the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Mr. Valentyn Nalyvaichenko during the briefing today.

    He underlined – the crime was planned as a ground for bringing of Russian troops into Ukraine, that is – CASUS BELLI for the Russian military invasion.

    According to the official Ukrainian data, June 17, 2014, at the mentioned time two regular international flights were operating over the territory of Ukraine following the filed requests for aircraft clearance – MAS17 plane of the Malaysia Airlines and AFL-2074 one of Aeroflot.

    The routes of the mentioned international flights were approaching the sky over Donetsk. At 16:09 in the area of Novomykolaivka town the routes of the mentioned flights crossed. It is worth noting that the flight specifications of the aircrafts were almost identical – the Malaysian aircraft flew at a height of 10,100 m at a speed 909 km/h, while the Russian one – at a height of 10,600 m at a speed 768 km/h.

    At 16:20 from the area of ‘Pervomaiske’ village, north-east from Donetsk, near the town of Torez, terrorists shot down the Malaysian jet, which then crashed near Grabove, Donetsk region.
    According to the intercepted and published data about the ‘Buk” missile system, the terrorists had received an order to place the system near ‘Pervomaiskoe’ village, V. Nalyvaichenko mentioned. The namesake village is located about 20 km to the north-east from Donetsk.

    The terrorists (most of them are not locals, but the Russian mercenaries) misrecognized the namesake villages and moved the other way, the SSU Head said. The odd route of the ‘Buk’ missile system on the territory of Ukraine proves that fact. The system crossed the Russia-Ukraine border in Luhansk region, then was deployed westward to Donetsk and moved back to the border between Donetsk and Luhansk regions afterwards.
    By setting up the ‘Buk’ missile system in ‘Pervomaiske’ village located to the west from Donetsk and taking into consideration the military specifications of the weapon, the terrorists could have shot down the Russian civilian jetliner with its further crashing on the Ukrainian territory controlled by the ATO [Ukraine] forces.

    In that case Russia would receive an opportunity to accuse the Ukrainian authorities of downing the Russian plane, assaulting the Russian citizens and would use this irresistible proof for its invasion into Ukraine.
    Russian side would need a compelling argument for such a step, for example accusation of the Ukrainian government in mass murder of the Russian citizens.

    “A peculiar cynicism appears in the fact that the terrorist act was planned just against the peaceful, innocent Russian citizens, who were flying with their children on vacation”, – V. Nalyvaichenko, stressed.

    Intelligence data proved that on July 18 the militants have already waited for the introduction of Russian Armed forces into the territory of Ukraine. The Russian side had been giving grounding for such developments for the several previous days. The Russian Mass Media had massively published information about the alleged shelling of the RF territory from the Ukrainian side.

    For further details see
    http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/e...0BF852482D3C0.app1?art_id=129860&cat_id=35317

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/desper...ad-targeted-a-russian-passenger-plane/5395501

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=4AAFF54D-5DE9-4C87-8EAE-4B0A91282769
     
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    Islam a Religion of Peace or an Abomination based upon a misreading of 'physicality' in the Torah/Old Testament?


    http://hugowaters.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/5-things-idiots-believe-about-muslims-which-arent-true/
    5 things idiots believe about Muslims which just aren’t true…


    Posted on October 20, 2014 by hugowaters
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    Let me lay my cards on the table. I am not a religious person. I don’t discount all faiths in their entirety, but I wouldn’t say I believe in enough of any of the mainstream religions to even lean towards one in particular. I do however respect people’s religious beliefs, whilst also myself believing that religion shouldn’t be beyond question or criticism. This article isn’t about me somehow glorifying Islam or putting it’s teachings beyond question. It is simply about leveling the playing field so we don’t discriminate against the faith significantly more than we do with others. There is a growing consensus that the more liberal-thinking people are wrongly pandering to some sort of Islamic lobby, and in that sense we are aiding a kind of Fox News, Daily Mail Special Addition of The Armageddon. I have been called a ‘traitor’ (and much worse) many times for simply challenging ignorant and bigoted views about Muslims. This piece essentially highlights that people using the term Muslim in such a broad way is not only discriminatory, but it’s also quite simply, stupid.


    1. Female Genital Mutilation is a Muslim problem
    Before we delve into this first point, as I mentioned before, no religion is beyond question, and I’m quite comfortable in making the assertion that all religions are male-dominated. They all still have a very long way to come, both in their views of women in society in general, and also the role of women within the faiths themselves. But it is beyond question that when it comes to discrimination against women, Islam is seen as being way out on it’s own in not only it’s views and attitudes towards women, but it’s treatment of them too.
    The number one worst lie in this respect (and believe me there is a big list) is the portrayal of Female Genital Mutilation (or FGM) being a ‘Muslim problem’. Now for those who don’t know, this barbaric practice involves babies having an incision (also described as circumcision) without any anesthetic, which essentially removes the clitoris. The deluded reasoning behind the practice is that by removing the clitoris the child will remain pure. Now before we go into facts and figures, there is absolutely nothing in the Quran about FGM. This alone should be enough to prevent people being able to call it a Muslim problem – how can it be when there is nothing in it’s teachings about it? But let’s go further, nowhere in Muslim majority states does this practice occur, apart from in isolated parts of Central Africa. It doesn’t happen anywhere in the Middle East, it doesn’t happen anywhere in North Africa, and it doesn’t happen anywhere in Asia. Furthermore, staying in the same region of Africa, did you know that Ethiopia has a 75% rate of FGM amongst it’s population, and that it’s a Christian majority country? Did you also know that Eritrea has almost 90% of FGM, the most of any nation, and again, it is a Christian country? FGM can therefore more accurately described as a regional problem. Consequently, if it only occurs in nations within the same cluster of central Africa, it can quite justifiably be labelled a central African problem. Along with the Quran there is nothing in The Bible about the practice, so the two religions cannot legitimately be brought into the argument. It is a good example of people doing something in-spite of their religion, not because of it. But regardless, I hear of the issue being a ‘Muslim problem’ almost every time there is a debate on it. This is a prime example of the media portraying something to push an agenda, which sadly a large portion of the general public lap-up without question.

    2. Muslim Societies Don’t Advocate Equal Rights
    Again, equal rights for women is lacking in pretty much every part of the world. But as with the previous point, Muslim women seem to be used as the example of an unequal society. The driving ban for women in Saudi Arabia is the main course in the long set-menu of accusations seemingly attributed only to Muslim majority countries. People are very quick to forget that Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world to have such a ban. In fact there is no doubt that the most extreme country when it comes to equality is Saudi Arabia, which is all the more bizarre when you consider that Saudi Arabia is the US and UK’s closest ally in the region. When people talk about how double standards by The West harm it’s relationship within the Middle East as a whole, it’s not a myth, the reputation is earned by our politicians criticising human rights violations, equality issues, and democracy/dictatorship in the poorer countries in the region, whilst simultaneously having friendly relationships with an oil-rich country in Saudi Arabia who have by far the worst rights for women, zero tolerance for other religions, and not only do they not have any elections, the country is named after the family that rule it and probably always will be. Did you know for example that in the month following The West’s offensive against ISIS that Saudi Arabia beheaded 19 people? 19 people in 4 weeks. No-one knows what they did, and they definitely don’t seem interested in finding out or telling anyone about it either. Of course ISIS is a problem, but it’s the blatant hypocrisy of going to war (and literally flooding the news with nothing else in the process) against a group of people you could fit into an averagely sized football stadium while perpetuating a myth that it’s really against some sort of Islamic ideology that all 1.6 billion of the worlds Muslims believe in, in addition to selling the most extreme nation our weapons is what gives our leaders in The West a bad rap, and deservedly so.

    Using the driving ban in Saudi Arabia as leverage against all Muslims worldwide would be the equivalent of using Uganda’s anti-gay laws – which currently advocate homosexuals being hunted down by the authorities, beaten freely, and sentenced to 12 years in jail, as leverage against Christianity. With Uganda being an 84% Christian country and the majority of the population lobbying to go even further and allow the death penalty to be used as the punishment for homosexuality, not once was the fact that they were a Christian country even brought up. Yet in stark contrast, stoning in Iran and the driving ban in Saudi Arabia are very much thought of as Muslim problems. The anti-gay law in Uganda is a Ugandan problem, stoning in Iran is an Iranian problem, the driving ban in Saudi Arabia is a Saudi Arabian problem. At best these points can be described as regional problems, as with the FGM point above, but how can they be classed as Christian or Muslim problems if the overwhelming majority of people within the faiths don’t support it?
    Within Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim majority state with a population of 250 million, females have exactly the same rights as males, which I definitely wouldn’t say is represented in our media’s portrayal of the faith. They are far from being alone in that respect too, but we’ll get onto how facts like these can be conveniently disregarded later in the article.

    A few more facts about women’s equality in what people would describe as the Muslim world:
    While the USA is still waiting for it’s first female president – did you know that Muslim majority countries have elected 7 female head of states in the last 50 years? In fact, continuing with politics, it’s also worth mentioning that the USA only has 18% of women currently elected to run and serve their country – that’s even less than Saudi Arabia, driving ban and all, who at 19.9% only started allowing women to even be elected a year ago. Further still that’s even less again than Pakistan, another nation who need to come a long way in regards to gender equality but somehow further beat the US at 20.7%. Like I’ve said, by no means am I saying that women in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia have a sweet deal, in fact I feel very comfortable in stating that women’s rights in those two particular countries leave a hell of a lot to be desired. So the fact that they have more women involved in their governments than the USA is particularly scorning at a time when extreme measures are being taken worldwide to increase female participation in politics.

    3. Most Muslims are Arabs
    One of the main reasons the issues above are misunderstood by so many people is that large parts of Western society believe that all or most Muslims are of Arabic origin and only live in the Middle East. When people are negatively ranting about Muslims they are usually referring to people in Middle Eastern countries, particularly the troubled spots they hear about on the news virtually all day, every day. States that often have hugely complex issues where frankly outside antagonists from both Western countries, along with China and Russia do not help. But all that aside it’s staggering to think that there are actually more Muslims living in Malaysia and Indonesia, countries which are both in Asia, than the whole of the Middle East and North Africa combined. In fact some may find it surprising that only around 25% of the worlds Muslims actually live in that particular region. About the same (if not slightly more) of the worlds Christians live on the African continent. Regardless of this, when people are talking about Christians I doubt the image they have in their mind is of a native Malawian, Ugandan, or Zimbabwean. The truth is that no other faith is so crudely generalised as the Muslim faith. Whenever atrocities occur in the Middle East, we always hear of how the ‘Muslim world’ or ‘Muslim Community’ needs come out and distance themselves or even apologise for the acts. Why would leading Clerics or Politicians in largely peaceful countries such as Malaysia, Turkey, Bangladesh, or Indonesia have to apologise for something that has happened in a competely different country, by people with which they have virtually nothing in common with. The paradoxical equivalent that the Christian leaders in the UK would have needed to come out to apologise for Anders Breivik’s terrorist attacks in Norway sounds completely insane, and it is. The fact that the majority of the world’s Muslims live in the far-east, in more secular countries is a massive inconvenience for the media. This is not to suggest that the whole of the Middle East has issues with fundamentalism, that is far from the case. But even if every single person in the whole of the Middle East and North Africa was an Islamic Extremist, they would still be vastly outnumbered by those within the faith that aren’t. It is so easy to get the general public on side if they project the idea of some sort of global religious war, one where a whole religion is actively setting out to eradicate other faiths and non-believers. I know it’s easy because I know so many people who genuinely believe that it is happening. The people I’m talking about aren’t exclusively made up of those paranoid delusional social media users who continue to baffle me with each comment on news feeds or Facebook posts. They are quite often people I know in my personal life. But my question to them is this: if you know that the description you have conjured up of a one-size-fits-all Muslim cannot possibly be correct, how can you continue to be so bigoted and make such outrageously ignorant statements about them?

    4. “Most Muslims are Terrorists”
    Some of this has been covered in the previous section but I’d like to explore just the terrorism part alone, together with some facts and figures. Our media is often quite rightly accused of scaremongering, and excessively flooding pages and air-time with exaggerated fear about terrorism. Fear, in-particularly related to race, religion or immigration satisfies their agenda in diverting the general public’s attention away from the very real economic situation we are in – an aspect of society which unsurprisingly large parts of the mainstream media and leaders in the country have a vested interest in. An exaggerated media predictably leads to a large proportion of the general public being so wide of the mark and misinformed in their understanding of some really important issues. We hear regularly from Fox News anchors and Daily Mail journalists that around 10% of Muslims are terrorists. Predictably a lot of the general public estimate the figure to be significantly higher. We hear 20%, 30%, or in some cases the numerical system is seemingly discounted all together and ‘most’ Muslims are branded as terrorists (presumably the non-figure of ‘most’ implies that the number has to be greater than 50%) which is simply ludicrous, but there’s no doubt that we’ve all seen or heard it. Now even just using the 10% figure, which I would say is very much on the conservative side of what many people (particularly those I’m aiming this piece at) genuinely think: 10% of 1.6 billion is obviously 160 million. If there was 160 million Islamic Terrorists in the world as a group they would equal more than ten times the amount of active members of the US Army, which in itself is the second biggest armed forces in the world, and the biggest in the Western World by a huge margin. Logically the figure has to be inaccurate, or as mentioned there would most definitely be more than 20 to 30 thousand members of ISIS. Again, I’m not saying ISIS aren’t a problem, but the group equate to approximately 0.002% of the world’s Muslims, so if you therefore feel comfortable labeling them a Muslim problem then you have been well and truly reeled in, and you most certainly are one of the people to whom I’d be asking the question which concluded my last topic. Now I know that ISIS aren’t standing alone in the arena of Islamic terrorism, but using a generally excepted definition of the word terrorist i.e. someone who uses violence or terror to advance political gains, there can’t possibly be 160 million active Islamic terrorists in the world, especially bearing in mind that there are only 315 million Muslims living in the whole of the Middle East and North Africa. Given that this is the region we are told to be most worried about, and that this would falsely imply that over half of the entire population of Muslims in the region are terrorists (a part of the world comprised of approximately 22 different countries, many of whom are our allies) then no wonder people are worried. You see when the right-wing media outlets in The West report on Muslims, they don’t mean those in Indonesia, or Malaysia, or Bangladesh, or Turkey. It’s simply much easier to pretend that these countries don’t exist, as they are a total contradiction to their constant propaganda that Muslim majority countries can’t be moderate or secular. Even further, and I don’t apologise for stressing the point again, the fact that these countries also far outnumber the population of Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, it is absolutely scandalous that they are allowed to just disregard such a huge proportion of the faith they almost continually report on.

    5. The Quran Promotes Extremism
    One of the easiest and quickest methods right-wingers use to get Joe-public on their side (a tactic I’ve seen used very frequently by groups such as the English Defence League, and the British National Party) is quoting passages out of The Quran in isolation. We hear of how Islam, through the teachings in The Quran, is condoning the killing of non-believers as well as encouraging the stoning of women for adultery, amongst other things. This next bit is easy, here are some of the values promoted in The Bible, do please click on the links to be taken to the full passage:

    - Kill people for working Sundays: Exodus 31:12-15
    - Kill Homosexuals: Leviticus 20:13
    - Kill people for swearing at parents: Leviticus 20:9
    - Kill non-believers: 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
    - Kill women who are not virgins on their wedding night: Deuteronomy 22:20-21
    (I should add that this was all found after only searching for about 5 minutes)

    In Conclusion
    The whole label of ‘Islamic Extremism’ simply cannot be applied to all Muslims if it obviously isn’t true. Sure some Muslim majority countries have issues with religious extremism, but that is their problem, not Islam as a whole’s problem. When you describe the fictional idea of ‘The Muslim World’ what you are essentially doing is grouping together 1.6 billion people made up of different races and nationalities, who live on different continents, who have different cultures, histories, economies, wealth, living standards, practices, who enjoy different art and music, and you are lumping them all together as if they are all the same. You are suggesting that Turkey is the same as Saudi Arabia, that Malaysia is the same as Iran. It just simply isn’t true. In contrast you would struggle to even get a general Christian consensus between those within the faith in the United States and United Kingdom, let alone than with others in Russia (where recent polling suggests Christianity is at 65%), Uganda, Zimbabwe, Mexico, or any other of the Christian majority nations. If it is virtually impossible to define what an excepted form of worldwide Christianity would look like, why are we so quick to presume that we can do it with Islam?

    As I said at the start, I’m not for or against any religion. But what I am against is singling-out one particular religion as being significantly worse than the others, when in reality that just simply isn’t true. Couple this with the fact that the reasons for perpetuating such a myth are so blatantly corrupt. It essentially pushes an agenda that is undoubtedly going against many of the people’s values who have been reeled in. That, my friends is the real problem. There will always be a far-right, and there will always be racism. But when it’s sane, reasonable people who are being warped into believing that a whole race or religion can be classed as a problem that needs a solution, well, we all know where that belief takes you don’t we…


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    things history and scripture shows us about Islam (submission)
    dhushara Oct 21 12:48 PM

    Laurie,

    The previous post is saying several things that are frank deception and intentionally so on the part of Muslims. By publishing this you are promulgating a frank untruth.
    The Old Testament has provision for stoning women for adultery but no woman has been stoned in Judaism according to historians since the time of Jesus. Women are regularly and brutally stoned in several Muslim countries as you know.

    No one in the West is penalized for apostasy although they were in the middle ages in the crusade against the Albigenses and in the Inquisition, yet people are executed for apostasy regularly in Muslim countries. In 6 major Muslim countries over 50% of people believe apostasy should carry the death sentence.

    Islamic State is using the takfir, or curse of apostasy, to justify sexually enslaving thousands of Yazidi women and girls, committing genocide of the men, and beheading reporters and aid workers. They claim this is ordained by the Quran and Muhammad's teachings and they are right. All Salafists adhere only to the three generations of Muhammad as a rule for all life, so every saying that permits homicide is taken literally.

    Al-Fitnah (disbelief) is worse than killing (Quran)
    So fight them until there is no more disbelief (fitna) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone. (Quran)
    This acts to turn freedom of religion into coercion by homicide.

    There is another key issue in that peace in Islam is a form of the takiya, concealing the truth, or faking the peace, so you can gain religious victory at a later date. The key references to peace (sakina) in the Quran refer only to a temporary condition to later be overthrown by victory. al_Ghazali said lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory and victory is obligatory under submission to al-Llah (Islam).

    Islam divides the world into the domain of submission (Islam) and the domain of war (dar al harb).
    we need to be honest about the ultimate threat this cosmology poses to human survival.

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    Dr Bob Rich - Message 3 of 5 , Oct 22 8:38 AM

    Chris, the point you make is precisely the one the author of the Islam article made. The 250 million Muslims in Indonesia would not dream of stoning an adulterous woman to death, any more than you would. When Islamic extremists try to move their country in that direction, the government, backed by the people, reacts far more vigorously than the USA does to Christian extremists.

    Choosing to implement barbaric injunctions from the Bible is something we don't do. Same is true for the overwhelming majority of Muslims. So, choosing to implement barbaric injunctions from the Qur'an is not a Muslim problem but one involving a particular group of people, or local culture, or country (in the case of Saudi Arabia).

    His way of thinking is far more effective in combating extremism. Muslim youngsters in western countries are vilified, bullied, ostracized, treated with disdain. Not surprisingly, they are easy fodder for the extremists. Your attitude is likely to add to the problem. The author's attitude of respect and acceptance is what is needed.

    Gandhi (who was India's leader during the civil war against Muslims) said, "An eye for an eye only leads to a planet full of blind people." Hate, vengeance, punishment doesn't move the other side, but motivates them to return with hate, vengeance, punishment.

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    dhushara - Message 4 of 5 , Oct 22 12:32 PM

    Bob: The 250 million Muslims in Indonesia would not dream of stoning an adulterous woman to death, any more than you would.

    No this is a dissimulation. The fact that some Muslims don't stone their women it is irrelevant. The ones who command what is legally ordained DO DO IT and a lot of women are stoned in countries from Iran (Shiite) to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan (Sunni), not just extremists. Also there are movements through many Muslim countries to enforce sharia which means stoning and death for apostasy when taken to its logical conclusion.

    Here are two examples which makes what you are saying fundamentally incorrect:

    1. In 2013 report based on an international survey of religious attitudes, more than 50% of the Muslim population in 6 Islamic countries supported the death penalty for any Muslim who leaves Islam (apostasy).

    2. Al-Hayat the Saudi daily just reported that according to a recent poll conducted in the oil-rich kingdom more than 92 percent of the people see the ISIL activities as religiously legal (Teheran Times).

    So what you are saying is an obfuscation and wholly incorrect. Takiya means tricking us all into believing what you are saying. Lots of Muslims can say they don't stone people for committing adultery but there are still Salafists in good numbers in major Muslim societies - around half the population in Saudi Arabia and in countries like Pakistan the conservatives are steadily overtaking the 'non-conformists' like the Sufis.

    Also you have missed the point. NO ONE in Jewish or Christian traditions has stoned a woman for adultery in the last century and possibly the last millennium despite the Inquisition. But a significant proportion of Muslim societies do so. What on Earth do you think you are justifying here? That some Muslim societies don't makes it all alright? ONE woman stoned for adultery is more than enough, let alone the Christian woman Asia Bibi who is waiting on death row in Pakistan for alleged blasphemy.

    Chris

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    The amusing thing is that Mohammed got the idea of stoning people for adultery from the bible.
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    Message 6 of 7 , Oct 23 10:22 PM


    Hi Bob,


    Forty years before the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE, i.e. in 30 CE, the Sanhedrin effectively abolished capital punishment, making it a hypothetical upper limit on the severity of punishment, fitting in finality for God alone to use, not fallible humans.


    Yes 600 years later Muhammad used the Bible completely unfairly on a Jewish woman to justify killing her by stoning in a crime against humanity, causing untold numbers of women to be stoned for the next 1400 years.


    He also committed a genocide beheading 700 Jewish men in the souk of Medina by appointing a mortally wounded fighter judge over their fates when they did not in fact betray the Muslims in the oasis at all.


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    Message 7 of 7 , Oct 24 7:08 PM

    It is incorrect to spell out percentage of muslims who are terrorists.

    To facilitate discussion we should understand what is meant bya terrorist? Is he the man who actually kills or places bombs at specified targets? By this definition, number of terrorists will be very small. In reality, these Muslims are front men for larger organization which control the operations.
    These organizations cannot sustain by themselves but need covert support of financiers and even states for meet their agenda.
    The front men and their organizers cannot sustain in hostile environment. Hence locations selected for these people are thickly crowded Muslim areas sympathetic to overall Islamic cause.
    Hence unless large sections of Muslims directly or indirectly support cause of the terrorists, there is little chance of success.
    Hence we can deduce that all persons whether front men or organizers or their covert supporters or population at large can be considered as part of terrorist setup. In such a case terrorist organizations can have support of 10 to 20 percent. In case support base increases civil war can erupt..
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    The Electric Universe as an Alternative Cosmology

    bobhardee10/26/2014 The Electric Universe.





    The 'Electric Universe' or EU model is a fake science Bob. I am addressing here the general websites linked to the 'thunderbolt project' and related forums and websites. The correspondent David Sadler below is one of administrators of such a forum; but the general debate below is on a rather more technical footing, regarding one contributor of Stephen J. Crothers, who is often cited by EU adherents as having the necessary mathematical background to support and enhance the ideas of the 'Electric Universe' proposals.
    It is basically a vehement and passionate attempt to 'bash' the 'Standard Models' in contemporary physics and cosmology, which are historically validated and tested every day in the laboratory and 'proven' nowadays in the 'correct' workings of the GPS system in say motor vehicle navigation and location and the observed physical facts in many experiments from Cerenkov radiation of electron scattering to the correct calculations of basically standard Newtonian mechanics to send space probes to comets visiting the local star system from the outer regions of that solar system.
    For anyone interested to separate scientific fact from fictions, I am sharing a 'lively' debate between the EU forum and website advocates and a particular Einstein-Big Bang 'basher' in a well 'you tubed' 'alternative' mathematical physicist in a Stephen J. Crothers.

    Perusing this 'debate', anyone can clearly discern the relative validities of the respective arguments for and against scientific sounding, but relatively easily debunked claims of a real 'alternative science or physics or cosmology'. Many links to original papers and discourses are provided in this discourse from 2009 to the present time. I might add that many of the claims of the EU camp refers to the 'alternative' cosmological model of a 'real cosmologist', known as Hannes Alfven, who simply attempted to provide a parallel interpretation to the 'Big Bang Cosmology' proposing a 'Steady State ' a la Fred Hoyle (another real qualified scientist) as an Infinite Universe in time and space. Alfven simply tried to introduce the importance of cosmic electromagneto-dynamics into the scientific library and related this to testable and analytic predictions also related to the intergalactic and interstellar media of ionised gas and plasma physics.
    Unfortunately some not qualified 'alternative scientists' have hijacked Alfven's scientific approach to 'test and propose' new ideas and models for their own nebulous and sometimes ad hominem and dogmatic agendas. The debate below could illustrate this for the inquisitive and unbiased reader.

    By the way Bob, there is a real 'alternative science' regarding the electromagneto-dynamic nature of the universe. But this does not propose non existent supercurrents between galaxies and starsytems produced say in the Alfven-Klein model, which has not found any evidence in nature. Rather it introduces the magnetic charge of the magnetic monopole as a Pre Big Bang physical entity, which gave existence to the material nature of the Big Bang constituents, which later evolved into neutron stars and galaxies and later generation stars. There is much detail as to the technicalities and nature of the actual 'magnetic currents' which became a 'missing ingredient' in the Standard Cosmology. It is the nature and existence of the magnetic monopole, on the gravitational galactic level and which is also found in the strong nuclear interaction of the inner (sub)atom as a magnetic colour charge, which is more at the end of a rainbow as the 'pot of gold' Hannes Alfven was envisaging, than the falsified and physically untenable 'Electric Universe' proposal.

    Abraxasinas, October 26th, 2014



    Sunday, December 13, 2009


    A Paper Illustrating More of Crothers' Relativity Errors


    Dr. Jason Sharples has published a paper in 'Progress in Physics', “Coordinate Transformations and Metric Extension: a Rebuttal to the Relativistic Claims of Stephen J. Crothers” which points out some of the many strange errors that Stephen J. Crothers makes in his somewhat bizarre interpretation of relativity. I've written some on this topic already (See "Some Preliminary Comments on Crothers' Relativity Claims").

    Dr. Sharples exposes Crothers' misstatements in a very pedagogical way, choosing simpler examples, such as 2-dimensional geometry, and applying Crothers' analysis methods. This technique illustrates that Crothers' claims of 'fatal problems for general relativity' are actually problems in Mr. Crothers' interpretation of general relativity.

    For example, Mr. Crothers' likes to claim that General Relativity has an internal contradiction because the metric radius in a Hilbert form of the Schwarzschild metric is not equal to the Gaussian curvature (Wikipedia: Gaussian Curvature) of the metric. Dr. Sharples uses the simple example of a spherical line element in a Euclidean (flat) 3-dimensional space to illustrate that these quantities are not equal even in this simplified case and are not required to be equal.

    From this introductory example, Sharples dives into Crothers' strange arguments about the Schwarzschild solution.

    1) One of the more interesting revelations from Sharples' examination is that Crothers' 'solution' for a spherically-symmetric time-independent system in General Relativity is actually just the Schwarzschild metric, truncated to the region outside the event horizon.

    2) Crothers presents the variable, $\alpha$ in his form of the equation, as an arbitrary free parameter. Crothers never bothers to apply the physical constraint that the metric must generate motions consistent with the Newtonian gravitational solutions. Once this constraint is applied, Sharples demonstrates that $\alpha = 2m$ = the Schwarzschild radius!

    3) Item (2) becomes even more important when Sharples demonstrates that Crothers' solution is simply the traditional Schwarzschild solution mapped in a different coordinate system. Crothers' infinity of solutions has no physical meaning, just as we can study the Earth in spherical, cylindrical, or cartesian coordinates (whichever is more convenient for the mathematics) with no change in the physical results.

    I'd like to thank Dr. Sharples for his work on a very clear and understandable paper. My own GR is a bit rusty and I would have had to spend some time reviewing relativity before I could have prepared a response to Crothers of this quality. I am also very pleased that Dr. Sharples hit at the same fundamental areas where I suspected Crothers was off-base, using simpler real-world geometric cases to expose Crothers' misunderstandings as well as applying the real-world constraints in Crothers' Schwarzschild analysis. They were all on my 'to do list' for a possible response.

    Crothers' analysis is seriously flawed. I wonder how Crothers would make his 'interpretation' of the spherically-symmetric solution consistent with the physics needed to make a reliable GPS receiver (see “Scott Rebuttal. I. GPS & Relativity”).

    As an aside, I also find it interesting that Mr. Crothers has become aligned with the Electric Universe (EU) advocates. Mr. Crothers' understanding of physics seems to rely on some rather bizarre interpretations of mathematics that keep it disconnected with real physical theories. Yet comparison of mathematical models against observations and/or experiments is a key component of valid science. If Crothers chooses to dismiss such validation, he is admitting that he is not doing science.

    Meanwhile, the EU supporters distrust mathematical models, considering the level of excuses I receive when I've tried to find reproducible details on their Electric Sun models. EU seems to rely on what could only be described as electrophilic pareidolia (Wikipedia: Pareidolia) in observations, assuming any filamentary glowing structure must be an electric arc.

    Crothers is all mathematics with no experiment.
    The Electric Universe is all experiment with no mathematics.
    How these two ended up working together is a mystery in itself!

    Mr. Crothers has apparently prepared a rebuttal to Sharples, but it was rejected (!!) by 'Progress in Physics' (Crothers is on the editorial board of this publication). I suspect the rebuttal was longer than the new 8-page limit of PiPs new policy. If Mr. Crothers has this response online, I'll be happy to post a LINK to it.

    “Experiment without theory is tinkering. Theory without experiment is numerology.“
    Both are needed for a successful science.

    Posted by W.T."Tom" Bridgman at 5:06 PM
    Labels: Electric Universe, Relativity



    65 comments:

    1. Anonymous said...
    Crothers pals around with the EU crowd for much the same reason that the EU crowd are big fans of Arp et al.; namely, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    In this sense, the EU is a very broad church.

    Nereid
    December 29, 2009 at 8:40 AM


    2. Anonymous said...
    The arguments here levelled against me are spurious. Here is my reply to Sharples:

    www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/REPLY.pdf

    Sharples is mistaken at all turns.

    Crothers, S.J.
    February 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM


    3. Anonymous said...
    Here is my paper on spherically symmetric metric manifolds in 3-space. Sharples, Bridgman and Nereid should study it carefully. I'd be most interested in where they can prove me wrong:

    http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2007/PP-09-14.PDF

    Crothers, S.J.
    February 1, 2010 at 11:52 PM


    4. David Sadler said...
    Why doesn't Jason Sharples debate Stephen Crothers on the Internet for the world to see? This is the age of the Internet. This is possible now. Allow the debate participants to use visuals and supporting documents. We live in an age of scientific bias and propaganda. Propagandized bias only works when there is no debate between the opposing points of view. This allows one view to dominate, not because of the strength of the idea but because of the exclusion of the opposing view. Let these men of ideas fight it out in a live Internet meeting so that free and open minds ready for the next paradigm shift can witness the exchange so that collectively we can move our understanding of reality forward.”

    "Bias has to do with the elimination of points of view, not presenting a point of view."
    -- Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News, in his 2003 interview with Broadcasting & Cable magazine regarding bias in the mainstream news media –

    David Sadler
    www.david-sadler.org
    February 2, 2010 at 5:49 PM


    5. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Mr. Sadler,

    A 'debate' is what's taking place, via their publications, which is how professionals do it.

    But if you mean a 'performance', with time limits, etc., like what the creationists enjoy, that does not work in science. Such forums favor the individual who can surprise their opponent with the most unexpected claim, regardless of its veracity.
    February 2, 2010 at 8:32 PM


    6. Craig said...
    The postscript of Jason Sharples' paper proves to me that Sharples hasn't fully comprehended Crothers' arguments.

    In the postscript, he supposedly debunks Crothers' paper in the current issue of Progress in Physics by showing that the metric constructed there is just the Schwarzschild metric
    written in terms of an ‘inverted’ radial coordinate.

    But how does this debunk Crothers' arguments? All Sharples is doing is stating the obvious.

    The truth is that it is impossible to debunk Crothers' arguments because his arguments are all based on Schwarzshild's original paper. In this paper, Schwarzschild derives a unique solution and in this solution there are no black holes.
    February 3, 2010 at 12:51 PM


    7. David Sadler said...
    Greetings, Mr. Bridgman,

    Might I respectfully suggest that you are overlooking the fact that many status quo editors bias their readership by excluding and/or prejudicing views conflicting with the current ‘scientific’ dogmas. This prejudice parallels your use of terms loaded with negative connotations such as ‘creationists.’ Those advocating competing ideas are waved off using ad hominine attacks that are personal in nature – not scientific. Please show where Crothers is invoking any reference to creationism in his arguments.

    To answer your question, I mean ‘debate’ not ‘performance.’ If there is a conflict between the way an observation or theoretical particular is currently explained and the way a new view interprets the observation or theoretical particular, then it is that discussion with evidence presented to support one view or falsify the opposing view that would be presented and debated by the presenters. The claims have already been made on paper. There is nothing unexpected about what might be said. It is the veracity of the competing arguments supported by evidence that is the whole point. It is the open equal playing field of the live debate that would eliminate the possibility of bias by exclusion or name calling.

    Stephen Crothers has factual documented evidence to show that his views have been biased by exclusion and by ad hominine attack. Now it seems as though you might be defaming his work by calling it ‘creationism.’ How can professionals make informed comparative decisions if the only view presented is that of the status quo which history shows over and over again to be proven wrong once the dynamic between politics and technology changes?

    Would you consider debating Stephen Crothers on the World Wide Web? I think that can be arranged. The debate agenda would be confined to a manageable logical unit of work comprised of specific areas of disagreement that would falsify one of the view points. These specific areas would be agreed to in advance by both participants. This would eliminate any surprises or unexpected claims.

    Respectfully,

    David Sadler
    www.david-sadler.org
    February 4, 2010 at 5:59 PM


    8. Anonymous said...
    "Why doesn't Jason Sharples debate Stephen Crothers on the Internet for the world to see?"

    I agree... Sharpe must atleast respond to the reply... I have seen nothing from Sharpe that clearly refutes Crothers' work.

    Nereid's ad-hominem attachment of this issue to Arp is bizarre and irrelevant.

    Bridgemans peppering of dismissals throughout the article is also bizarre and irrelevant to the material.

    Please focus, and just address the science.
    April 29, 2010 at 3:51 AM


    9. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    One thing I've never been clear about in Crothers efforts is are his gripes with the Hilbert version of the Schwarzschild solution or with General Relativity in general.

    Crothers continues to complain about the using the Schwarzschild metric in the study of the motions of more than one object with the argument that the metric is designed with the assumption of a single mass only.

    However, the only examples I know of this are where the test masses studied are *very* small compared to the mass generating the gravitational field (and the metric) so the object in motion has a negligible effect on the gravitational field. This type of calculation for things such as orbiting precision clocks, verified by individual experiments, is now done routinely, as implemented in the GPS system, and it works very well. I'm more inclined to believe those who have developed working experiments and technologies based on a theory over those who have not. If Mr. Crothers wishes to complain about the approximation (say for satellite motion in Earth orbit), he should compute the size of the error made by this 1-body assumption compared to the solution of including the mass of the satellite and demonstrate that it results in a *measurable* error. Otherwise he is just being pedantic.

    In cases where the multiple bodies in the system are of comparable masses, Numerical Relativity must be used to solve the field equations for all the masses in the system in a self-consistent way.

    One should note that a similar issue arises using Maxwell's equations in a multi-particle system and is handled in a similar fashion.

    In regards to the Crothers alternative metric, the original Schwarzschild metric...

    While the idea of crossing the event horizon of a Hilbert-version of the metric is a popular exercise in mathematics and science fiction, I know of no astrophysical applications where this possibility is considered. For all practical purposes, the region within the event horizon may be unreachable from the exterior, so many of Crothers complaints on this are probably irrelevant.

    Since Crothers' metric has significant differences in the strong field limit, what kind of timing differences would we expect using his metric in the case of binary pulsars? See General Relativity Survives Gruelling Pulsar Test: Einstein At Least 99.95 Percent Right,
    The Confrontation between General Relativity and Experiment, Confronting General Relativity to binary pulsars.

    If he can demonstrate that the alternative metric gives results within measured error bars, then he might have something credible.

    I have yet to see anything from Crothers' suggesting EXPERIMENTAL tests of his claimed metric. Without such validation against experiment or observation, a theory is indistinguishable from numerology. If one wishes to claim that my insistence that Mr. Crothers ideas be testable against experiment is 'irrelevant', then they are saying that Mr. Crothers theory has no relevance to how the universe operates and things we can measure - essentially saying Mr. Crothers is practicing an untestable pseudoscience.

    The sad part is Mr. Crothers seems to have some actual talent in mathematics, but has a habit of treating every criticism of his work as a personal attack instead of learning and addressing the issues raised.
    May 1, 2010 at 2:40 PM


    10. Anonymous said...
    Mr Sadler,

    Please understand - Mr Crothers doesn't even get to the science of GR. His mistakes are mathematical. Mathematics is not science. There is no debating mathematical proof.

    Craig, with Crothers' supposed counter-examples to the KS extension he tries to show that there are metrics which satisfy all the requirements for a vacuum solution but which contradict the claims made of the Schwarz. metric by the "astrophysical scientists" (this is all on page 1!). What is easy to show is that Crothers' counter-example metrics are identically the Schwarz metric and so are entirely consistent with what the astrophysical scientists.

    Nuff said.

    J. Sharples
    June 17, 2010 at 10:48 AM


    11. Anonymous said...
    I just tried to read Crothers paper:
    http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2007/PP-09-14.PDF

    I got to paragraph one of section 2 where he says "Let E3 be Efcleetheen 3-space (he refuses to call it Euclidean as the rest of the world does!?) and let M3 be 3d metric manifold." So far so good. But then he says "Let there be a one-to-one correspondence between all points of E3 and M3." This is not possible (e.g. let M3 be the 3-sphere) and shows that Crothers doesn't even have a basic understanding of what a manifold is. If he can't get the basics right in the first section of his paper, why should I be bothered to read the rest?

    Crothers is clearly a crank. Bridgeman and Sharples are correct.
    June 17, 2010 at 11:03 PM


    12. Anonymous said...
    It is certainly possible to have M3 and E3 in one-to-one correspondence. My paper on metric manifolds is correct. See also the references, particularly T. Levi-Civita. Also, there are no known soliutions to Eisntein's field equations for two or more masses and there is no existence theorem by which it can even be asserted that his field equations contain latent solutions for multiple masses. Numerical methods applied to an ill-posed problem are meaningless. Sharples and Bridgman are wrong.

    Sharples has clearly not understood my KS counter-examples paper, as revelaed by his conclusion. The counter examples invalidate the so-called KS "extension". Moreover, the motivation to the KS "extension" implies a non-static solution to a static problem. Furthermore, the mathematics surrounding Hilbert's corruption of Schwarzschild's solution is quite trivial, and not even necessary to invalidate the black hole fantasy. According to Einstein and his followers his Principle of Equivalence and his Special Relativity must manifest in sufficiently small regions of his gravitational field, and these regions can be located anywhere in his gravitational field. Both the Principle of Equivalence and Special Relativity are defined in terms of the a priori presence of multiple arbitrarily large finite masses and photons. Therefore, neither the Principle of Equivalence nor Special Relativity can manifest in a spacetime that by construction contains no matter. But Ric = 0, according to Einstein and his followers, is a spacetime that by construction contains no matter. The upshot of this is that Einstein's field equations violate the usual conservation of energy and so are in conflict with experiment. Einstein's invention of his pseudo-tensor, in order to avoid this catastrophe, is invalid because his pseudo-tensor implies the existence of a linear invariant that is composed solely of the components of the metric tensor and their first derivatives. But the pure mathematicians G. Ricci-Curbastro and T. Levi-Civita proved in 1900 that such invariants do not exist. Therefore, by reduction ad absurdum, Einstein's pseudo-tensor is a meaningless concoction of mathematical symbols and everything relying upon it just nonsense, like Einstein gravitational waves. The search for such waves is destined to detect none. None have been detected - as expected.

    Sharples claims that I don't even get to GR theory. That is also false. Here is an example:

    www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/BB.pdf

    Crothers, S. J.
    June 19, 2010 at 12:17 AM


    13. Anonymous said...
    Stephen,

    If it is possible to have M3 and E3 in one-to-one correspondence, as you claim, then please provide us with such a mapping. In fact I'll make it even less onerous - simply provide us with a one-to-one mapping between the 1D circle and 1D Euclidean space.

    Please try and stick to the point in your reply - the question I ask has nothing to do with GR, or KS extensions, or multibody problems, etc, etc, etc.

    J. Sharples.
    June 22, 2010 at 10:46 PM


    14. Anonymous said...
    Jason Sharples,

    The mapping you request is developed in the paper based upon the hypothesis of a one-to-one correspondence between E3 and M3, and associated rigid rotations in one corresponding to rigid motions in the other so that geodesics are mapped into geodesics. I suggest that you study my whole paper instead of the opening few lines in isolation before you jump to conclusions. The metric so deduced provides the mapping you request. I also note that you have ignored my reference to the detailed study by Tullio Levi-Civita who developed the relations following the suggestion first made by Palatini. T. Levi-Civita was an inventor of the tensor calculus on manifolds and a most able geometer.

    Furthermore I note that you have chosen to ignore my theoretical arguments of which you falsely accused me of not addressing. You also ignore the fact that Einstein's field equations violate the usual conservation of energy and that his attempt to escape this catastrophe by means of his pseudo tensor is spurious since it is a meaningless concoction of mathematical symbols as detailed in my papers. I again refer you to my paper:

    www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/BB.pdf

    which renders all this trivial mathematical hoopla of no consequence.

    Perhaps you can provide a proof that E3 and M3 cannot be hypothesized to be in one-to-one correspondence and relevant deductions obtained from that initial specified condition. One can suppose E3 and M3 in one-to-one correspondence to address the nature of 3-dimensional metric manifolds, as demonstrated by Levi-Civita himself. His relevant book is easily obtained, as I have done. It is worthy of careful study, as I have also done. Clearly you have failed to do so, as your remarks clearly betray.

    General Relativity's violation of the usual conservation of energy with its consequent conflict with experiment renders the theory false. That takes with it all the black hole and big bang nonsense without any need of the trivial mathematics of black hole and big bang theory.

    Like it or not, physics has moved on from the usual GR dogma. Such as you cannot save it from the dustbin of scientific history, where it rightly belongs, by pithy scribbling of equations and theoretically ill-posed problems.

    S. J. Crothers
    June 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM


    15. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Crothers: there are no known soliutions to Eisntein's field equations for two or more masses and there is no existence theorem by which it can even be asserted that his field equations contain latent solutions for multiple masses. Numerical methods applied to an ill-posed problem are meaningless. Sharples and Bridgman are wrong.

    Mr. Crothers, the simple fact is that your so-called 'ill-posed' problems generate agreement with experiment and observations. Electromagnetism has similar issues with self-energy, etc. Many others have demonstrated that GR works, including the GPS. Since you have demonstrated/documented no such accomplishments, I have more reason to believe them than you. Evasion of experimental agreement makes your claims more akin to numerology than science.

    Since this is my blog and not your forum, your next comment here better include a demonstration (preferably a link) of the experimental implications of your claims, including why it works so well in precision timing applications, or I will reject it.
    June 28, 2010 at 8:50 PM


    16. Anonymous said...
    Not surprisingly Crothers could not stick to the point as requested... alas.

    In fact the closest he got to the point was in saying "The mapping you request is developed in the paper based upon the hypothesis of a one-to-one correspondence between E3 and M3...". However, it is statements like these that show Crothers' poor grasp of mathematical concepts. The mapping I requested should PROVE the hypothesis, not be developed based on the assumption that that the hypothesis your trying to prove is already correct!

    The fact of the matter is that for a general manifold (of any dimension) there is no one-to-one correspondence between it and Euclidean space - this is why we need coordinate charts, i.e. the plural of chart! Indeed, it is well known (and there is a mathematical proof) that the sphere requires AT LEAST two coordinate charts to completely cover it. If you only needed one chart (i.e. one copy of Euclidean space) then making an atlas of the world would be a very simple affair.

    So why should I read past the first few lines of a mathematical argument when they already contain statements that are well known to be false.

    Again to prove me wrong all you have to do is simply write down a map that entails a one-to-one correspondence between all the points of the 1D circle and 1D Euclidean space. I wish you the best of luck.

    J. Sharples
    June 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM


    17. Hermann Wastov said...
    Crothers often asserts that there are no known solutions to the Einstein eqns for two or more masses. By this I can only assume he is referring to ANALYTICAL solutions. If this is what he means then he is correct.

    However, there are also no known analytical solutions to the general Navier-Stokes equations on a sphere, nor are there any general existence theorems that guarantee their solution - but this does not mean that there is no weather, as we can all plainly attest to! In fact we do a pretty good job of forecasting the weather by solving the equations numerically.

    Multibody problems in GR are handled the same way i.e. by solving the equations numerically. The majority of physics relies on numerical solution of PDEs. The numerical methods usually require a well-posed problem for their application. There are many examples of this being done.
    June 28, 2010 at 10:57 PM


    18. Anonymous said...
    Mr. Bridgman,

    You dictatorial restrictions on what I can discuss is unfair, unscientific and unacceptable; but general practice amongst proponents of the mystical dogmas that proliferate in contemporary science. I will not bow to your directives. I note that you place no such restrictions on my critics, and so I have developed my own webpage, dedicated to your vilification of me and my work, to circumvent your ignoble proclamations. Interested readers will thereby get all the facts. Your attempts to refute me are futile. My arguments are sound and many realise that now.

    S. J. Crothers.
    June 29, 2010 at 9:44 PM


    19. Anonymous said...
    Mr. Bridgman and Mr. Sharples,

    It is easy in principle for you both to prove me wrong. Here is the simple recipe. Do the following:

    1. Prove that the Principle of Equivalence and Special Relativity can manifest in a spacetime that by construction contains no matter.

    2. Prove that Einstein’s pseudo-tensor is not a meaningless concoction of mathematical symbols.

    S. J. Crothers
    July 3, 2010 at 8:25 PM


    20. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Mr. Crothers,

    You have evaded a direct question about MEASURABLE experimental and/or observational implications of your claims. If you can't demonstrate such a connection, then your theory has no contact with REALITY. THAT is unscientific.

    If your theory can't explain how the real world works, what good is it?

    Real scientists use these symbols to produce numbers which can be compared to real measurements. Yet you seem to use them as part of some mystical incantation.

    What did you do when I suggested you provide a link to material? You dumped a bunch of material across five comments that looks no different than the material in your papers. Repeating the same content does not make it more valid so there is no point in posting it here. Anyone who wants to read it can go to your site.

    You've got fans? So does Paris Hilton. Fans are not an indication of real accomplishment. Such an emphasis would suggest you are more interested in celebrity than actual achievement. Can your 'fans' make your theory useful? Will they be using your theory in developing the computational precision needed for the next generation of GPS clocks? I rather doubt it.

    As I look back over your history of your posts, I notice that you ROUTINELY avoid the mention of comparing your claims to experiment! This suggests that you KNOW this comparison is fatal to your claims, so you don't dare acknowledge the question, probably in the hopes that your 'fans' will never catch on to your evasion!
    July 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM


    21. Anonymous said...
    Mr. Bridgman,

    It is you who evades and misleads. You frequently refer to my theory. What theory is that? I have proposed no theory whatsoever. I deal only with the internal consistency of the General Theory of Relativity, and that is not my theory. General Relativity is inconsistent as I have argued time and again, but you choose to ignore the facts I have presented to you and my other critics.

    General Relativity is in conflict with the usual conservation of energy and so it is invalid, unless one is prepared to reject the usual conservation of energy so well established by experiment. I for one see no reason to do so.

    I again request you to refrain from vilification of my person and instead address the simple recipe I have given you and Mr Sharples for proving me wrong. Your remarks containing reference to Paris Hilton are unscientific and irrelevant. Prove me a mug by addressing the two simple elements I have given you to do so, as they are central to the General Theory of Relativity.

    I deal only with mathematical physics and so I am concerned only with the internal consistency of theory, both in terms of the mathematics involved and the physical principles upon which it is based. If there is inconsistency then there is error, pure and simple.
    July 5, 2010 at 9:40 PM


    22. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    1) "All models are wrong, but some are useful" (see Crank Science: Worse than Wrong). All theories are incomplete in some way and this can create inconsistencies. Sometimes they guide thinking to the next theory that refined and improves the existing theory. The inconsistency stops use of the theory only when it mis-matches with experiment, such as applying Maxwell's equations at the quantum level. Galilean gravity implies infinite energy, yet we still use it close to the Earth.

    2) Since you are making the claim, I make sure that I am referring to your claim by naming you. If I think you misunderstand something, I will say so. My GR is rather rusty, but I followed every one of Sharples examples in his paper, but your papers seemed to obfuscate even the simplest of mathematics. Then you label any complaint about your work as 'vilification'. Professional scientists have to be more mentally tougher than that since any original ideas they present will always be under attack by competitors. However, those who respond to those attacks like you do don't last long in the profession as they eventually alienate even their supporters. If you can't take the heat, you should get out of the kitchen. You are fortunate that I'm not going at you at a level *I* regard as 'vilification'.

    3) Your basic interaction model, even in your papers, boils down to claiming that everyone else is an idiot and you're a genius. And you are foolish enough to pull this attitude to people who have REAL contributions in these fields! There is no mystery as to why you are treated poorly.

    4) I had a discussion about two years ago with a fairly well-known cosmologist about how energy conservation in GR is discussed. The major points where we found agreement was that a) GR defines conserved quantities that look like classical energy-momentum conservation when examined on a local scale, and b) this classical comprehension of energy-momentum conservation does not map cleanly to the cosmological scale, so this is the source of the claims of non-conservation of energy in things such as cosmological redshift. (Would you agree with that summation of the GR conservation of energy issue, Jason?).

    So your statements become at best *redundant* since

    1) Many inconsistencies in GR are already known. If you go around aggressively repeating these issues, especially if you present them as YOUR original idea, you'll quickly get a bad reputation. Who wants to listen to someone who repeatedly screams "The sky is BLUE!" :^)

    2) If you are not presenting an alternative theory that resolves the problem, then you make no claims that have experimentally testable implications. Your statements become useless.

    Therefore, why should anyone listen to you?

    The EU guys seem to be pushing you as someone whom they can show as writing mathematically complex-looking papers that they can use to deny the validity of GR in the GPS system (Scott Rebuttal. I. GPS & Relativity).

    As I stated in the comment above on May 1:
    "The sad part is Mr. Crothers seems to have some actual talent in mathematics, but has a habit of treating every criticism of his work as a personal attack instead of learning and addressing the issues raised."

    Do yourself a favor. Actually LEARN some science!
    July 7, 2010 at 9:34 PM


    23. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Jason Sharples has sent me a couple of papers responding to Mr. Crothers. I've staged them on my main site, accessible via these links:

    On Crothers' counter-examples to the Kruskal-Szekeres extension. June 25, 2010

    Watching the World Cup. July 8, 2010

    Apologies for my delay in getting these posted.
    July 8, 2010 at 8:05 PM


    24. Anonymous said...
    Mr. Bridgman,

    Why don't you stop insulting me and just prove me completely wrong by the very simple recipe I have given you and Mr. Sharples. I reiterate; do the following:

    1. Prove that the Principle of Equivalence and Special Relativity can manifest in a spacetime that by construction contains no matter.

    2. Prove that Einstein’s pseudo-tensor is not a meaningless concoction of mathematical symbols.

    That is all you have to do. Mr. Bridgman and Mr. Sharples, I await your proofs.

    S. J. Crothers
    July 8, 2010 at 8:46 PM


    25. jlb said...
    Mr. Bridgeman:

    I am starting late in this thread, I thank you for you patience.
    Concerning your post of Sunday, June 7, 2009 entitled, “Some Preliminary comments on Crothers’ Relativity Claims”.

    I wanted to check out the sources used as references. The very first one gave me pause.
    I am a simple person so I just googled the reference.
    1. S.J. Crothers. On the vacuum field of a sphere of incompressible fluid. Progress in Physics, 2:76–81, July 2005.
    This is what I found at this location.
    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=S.J. Crothers. On the vacuum field of a sphere of incompressible fluid. Progress in Physics, 2:76–81, July 2005.&btnG=Google Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=3340bd4cc4e0f847

    The first item is this website. Fair enough
    The second item is the critique I am reading about on this website by the author Jason J. Sharples of S J Crothers. Fair enough
    The third item is (scribd.com) site, pay for an article by Ruggero Maria Santilli, sorry not me, Fair enough
    The fourth item is the same article as the third item by RM Santilli, from his website. Free to download, cool, this was interesting enough to include the link here: http://www.i-b-r.org/docs/HMMC-1-02-26-08.pdf
    Item five, does not load, Fair enough.

    RM Santilli is interesting and provocative. New technology does not mean crackpot. Harvard and MIT credentials aside, he unlike some people is building real machines in the real world of applied physics. He wants to put shoeleather on the math.
    RM Santilli holds the same as S J Crothers on the big bang and black holes. Refer to section 1.4 pages 55-71.
    In fact he has as an Appendices 1.A and adds “ad litteram”, without changing a letter Crothers’ Critical Analysis of General Relativity. Quite trustworthy and respectful since you say that his math skills are so bereft of order and understanding of the real issues.
    Sir: I am a first time poster and I have only one thing to say.

    Answer the two questions posed by Mr. Crothers.

    1. Prove that the Principle of Equivalence and Special Relativity can manifest in a spacetime that by construction contains no matter.

    2. Prove that Einstein’s pseudo-tensor is not a meaningless concoction of mathematical symbols.

    Thank You, jlb
    July 10, 2010 at 12:36 AM


    26. Anonymous said...
    Mr. Crothers,

    The reply you're after is accessible in the blog Dr Bridgman posted on July 8. Just click on "Watching the World Cup".

    You should also post this reply on your own website.

    J.Sharples
    July 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM


    27. Anonymous said...
    jlb:

    Thanks for your interest in this discussion and for bringing the book by Santilli to my attention.

    I have not read the entire book (I simply can't afford the time at the moment) but a few things caught my attention. For example see figure 1.5 on page 17. The figure purportedly shows "Further visual evidence of the lack of applicability..." but the figure is actually a cartoon of a water filled glass with a straw in it... WTF???

    If the author is talking about Cerenkov radiation, then I suggest you read Cerenkov's Nobel Lecture in which he discusses how Cerenkov radiation is in complete agreement with relativity.

    Note I have also replied to Crothers demands.

    J.Sharples
    July 12, 2010 at 2:24 AM


    28. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    As of the time of posting this comment, I have posted a minor update to J. Sharples' article, "Watching the World Cup", available at the same link above.
    July 12, 2010 at 9:22 PM


    29. Christian said...
    Dears W.T."Tom" Bridgman and Jason Sharples, dear readers,
    even if I have no time to discuss in details all the errors by Mr. Crothers in his unscientific claims against Einstein's General Relativity, you could be interested in my paper "A clarification on the debate on "the original Schwarzschild solution", accepted for publication in Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, pre-print in http://arxiv.org/abs/1010.6031, where I have shown that Mr. Crothers' argumentation on the fact that Schwarzschild’s original paper refutes the notion of black holes is totally wrong.
    Best wishes,
    Christian Corda
    March 28, 2011 at 8:54 AM


    30. Anonymous said...
    Refuting Einstien is of no importance as this fraud has been exposed.

    The relativity is nothing more than cabalistic crap.
    August 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM



    31. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Anonymous:
    The day someone can demonstrate a relativity-free GPS system, or a working GPS receiver interpreting the received signals with whatever alternative you advocate, you statement might have some validity. Until then, your statement is only wishful thinking.

    The GPS signal specification is a public document
    Wikipedia: GPS Signals

    GPS Standard Positioning Service (SPS) Performance Standard
    August 8, 2012 at 6:40 PM


    32. Anonymous said...
    Concerning Big Bang Cosmology, it is invalid by the invalidity of General Relativity. It is also worth noting the following. Cosmology is not a science at all; it is theology. The relativistic cosmologists generally fail to mention to the general public and their students the fact that the Big Bang Cosmology was first conjured up by the Belgian mathematician and priest Georges Lemaitre. Thereby Lemaitre introduced a creation event into the equations of General Relativity and hence infused physics with the notion of God and His creation of the Universe. The Big Bang theory has been ratified by the Vatican owing to Lemaitre’s creationism. All Lemaitre did was substitute one creation event with another creation event. Indeed, Lemaitre admitted to the Swedish Nobel Prize winner in physics, Hannes Alfvén, that he came up with the idea to accord with Christian theology and the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas. Alfvén was not impressed. Here is what Alfvén reported: “I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory," he recalled. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing. “There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time," Alfvén explained. "It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago. Since religion intrinsically rejects empirical methods, there should never be any attempt to reconcile scientific theories with religion. An infinitely old universe, always evolving, may not be compatible with the Book of Genesis. However, religions such as Buddhism get along without having any explicit creation mythology and are in no way contradicted by a universe without a beginning or end. Creatio ex nihilo, even as religious doctrine, only dates to around AD 200. The key is not to confuse myth and empirical results, or religion and science."

    Furthermore, in January 1933, Georges Lemaitre travelled with Albert Einstein to California for a series of seminars. After the Belgian detailed his Big Bang theory, Einstein stood up applauded, and said, “This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation of creation to which I have ever listened.” So evidently Einstein was actually a creationist, revealing thereby that he too was actually theological in his real disposition, despite his often overt cryptic claims that he was not. Now Big Bang Cosmology only has the façade of science because it is couched in the mantle of complicated, but meaningless, mathematics, in terms of General Relativity which is an invalid theory because it violates the usual conservation of energy and momentum and is therefore in conflict with experiment on a very deep. Before the Big Bang theory there was actually no alleged ‘scientific’ basis attached to the question of the creation of the Universe. Only theology dealt with this question then. It still does.
    August 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM


    33. Anonymous said...
    Let me preface this by saying that I am pretty late to this party, and that I have no formal mathematical training. In fact, despite great interest in these subjects, my understanding of mathematics is such that much of what is discussed here is over my head. That being said, as I follow this discussion it seems as though Crothers continues to argue from fallacious standpoints. Mr. Crothers, the very point of this discussion thread is to point out apparent flaws in the mathematics behind your theories. Instead of responding and correcting the analysis of these flaws, you resort to flawed arguments. If you are unfamiliar with fallacies I recommend searching 'Burden of Proof' and to a lesser extent, 'Argument from Ignorance'.

    Again, only as someone analyzing this discussion, I would side with the writer of the blog, only because Crothers is so poor at constructing valid arguments. Perhaps this is why Mr. Crothers often feels 'vilified'.
    December 29, 2012 at 1:19 AM


    34. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    The reponse to the comment above concerning Lemaitre is posted under Is Big Bang Cosmology a 'Creationist' Model?.
    January 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM


    35. Anonymous said...
    W.T."Tom" Bridgman wrote:
    "On Crothers' counter-examples to the Kruskal-Szekeres extension []http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1/contrib/sharples/KSdoc.pdf]. June 25, 2010

    Watching the World Cup []http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1/contrib/sharples/ReplyBS.pdf]. July 8, 2010"

    These links no longer work. Apparently Apple shut down their homepage.mac.com site in 2012.
    June 5, 2013 at 5:49 AM


    36. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To anonymous,

    The revised links to these papers are:

    "On Crothers' counter-examples to the Kruskal-Szekeres extension
    and
    Watching the World Cup

    The simple fix is replace
    http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1/
    with
    ttp://www.crankastronomy.org/
    in the link.
    I've been slowly fixing these issues as I find them in the main articles, but there seems to be no easy way to fix them in the comments.

    Tom
    June 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM


    37. Bruno Suric said...
    Only one thing remains to be followed... Pure scientific approach. And that is the very doom of anything that calls itself science and CANNOT perform direct observation and exoeriment. Now you be the judge and make up your mind - and rember the basic concept of big bang science"in the beggining there was nothing, and then suddenly everything came to be......bullshit."

    February 18, 2014 at 8:03 PM


    38. Anonymous said...
    You are a bullying cun20 fuc11 off
    February 25, 2014 at 5:36 PM


    39. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Bruno Suric,

    Yet stuff appears out of 'nothing' all the time.
    Wikipedia: Virtual Particles

    We've measured it in laboratories.
    Wikipedia: Casimir Effect

    If I knock a ball off a table, it hits the floor with more energy than it started. Do you understand where that energy comes from?
    March 13, 2014 at 7:11 PM


    40. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Anonymous:

    Perhaps you are referring to Mr. Crothers?

    After all, Mr. Crothers has made numerous mathematical and conceptual errors while claiming that the mathematics behind the GPS and other precision technologies is invalid. Mr. Crothers' basis for claiming the designers and building of these systems are incompetent is no more than his 'say so'. Mr. Crothers has yet to deal with the fact that to current experimental precision, these 'wrong' theories generate numbers for various tests that we can MEASURE. Mr. Crothers has provided no alternatives of equivalent capability (see also Some Preliminary Comments on Crothers' Relativity Claims).

    Oh, and then there's Mr. Crothers' whining that I won't release his tome-sized comments on my blog when he has his own site where he can post anything he wants, and does.

    Mr. Crothers insults researchers with REAL accomplishments while presenting nothing equivalent of his own.
    March 13, 2014 at 7:17 PM


    41. Sylvia Austin said...
    Why won't Jason Sharples and Bridgman debate Stephen Crothers on the Internet for the world to see?
    June 3, 2014 at 6:58 AM


    42. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Sylvia Austin,

    I cannot speak for Dr. Sharples, but it is largely pointless to 'debate' Mr. Crothers, beyond what is done with periodic posts on the topic.

    It has been repeatedly demonstrated that Mr. Crothers understanding of mathematics and physics in general, and relativity in particular, are questionable.

    Mr. Crothers begs for attention by insisting others must prove him wrong when:

    1) it has already been done (though I've got a list of even more examples of Mr. Crothers' errors that should be written up one day…)

    2) This point is even sharper when we consider the fact that much of the physics and mathematics Mr. Crothers claims is wrong is in fact applied daily in working technologies (GPS and other precision timing applications).

    How are Mr. Crothers' tactics different from those used by the geocentrists (A Summary of Geocentrism Issues) who claim Newtonian physics is wrong when it is routinely applied to sending spacecraft to other planets?

    The weight of the experimental evidence means that the burden of proof is STILL on Mr. Crothers.
    June 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM


    43. David Sadler said...
    The more we learn how political and biased scientists are, the less credible modern science becomes.

    The more we learn just how little modern science knows, the more we are dumbstruck by the current inability of modern science to determine the reality of the most common physical phenomena in our daily lives; to name four specifically, gravity, the electron, the photon and the Sun.

    Yes, we can apply the known attributes of these phenomena to some practical use, but how much more could we do if we actually understood the reality of these phenomena so we could apply their full potential to our use.

    The central source of the electron charge appears to be approaching a size so small that actually identifying the point source of the charge might be as elusive as assigning the actual source of gravity.

    "Pray do not ascribe that notion [gravity as essential and inherent to matter] to me, for the cause of gravity is what I do not pretend to know ..."
    -- Isaac Newton in a letter to Mr. Bentley at the castle in Worcester, January 17, 1692

    Those engaging in science need a big dose of humility instead of pounding their chest as though they know it all. They don't.

    Crothers is doing scientists a favor by causing them to rethink what they think they know and have taken as the gospel simply because it is the Standard Model of this period in history.

    This period will pass along with many of the ideas science currently holds as 'fact.' History shows us this over and over.

    Science is not consensus. It is for rebels, radicals and non-conformists. Real scientists will rock the boat and upset the apple cart of the current models. Ask Copernicus, Galileo and Newton.
    June 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM


    44. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Funny you should claim mainstream science is 'biased. Everyone pushing a 'worldview' is pushing their own version of well-established science (Pseudoscience & 'World-View').

    Yet that same well-established science is still making real tech while the 'worldview'-based science is not.

    Mr. Crothers has made all kinds of excuses to get away from the fact that Dr. Sharples exposed Crothers lack of understand of the math, and the science, of relativity.

    One common characteristic of every researcher that revolutionized and revised our understanding of a field is that they had a VERY good understanding of that field. Einstein understood Newtonian physics and electromagnetism very well. Similarly, Maxwell understood electromagnetism very well. Mr. Crothers has demonstrated that he does not have an equivalent understanding of relativity or gravity.

    As for rocking the boat, the Flat-Earthers, Geocentrists, and creationists are using the similar arguments, also expecting their claims to be vindicated any day now.
    June 11, 2014 at 6:46 PM


    45. David Sadler said...
    I won't belabor the point, but 'well established science' is an oxymoron since standard models change with the generations.

    We are constantly told that science is self-correcting. The problem is that because of the inertia of politics, science usually self-corrects after the status quo dies out and the new ideas of new generations ascend to become the standard model of a new period.

    The current standard model of any period is the model of consensus which eventually will be upset by some hooligan. But the hooligan will most likely be roundly criticized and ostracized as was Galileo, Alfred Wegener and others.

    This is exactly what Copernicus told Pope Paul III in the dedication to his, "On the Revolutions of Heavenly Spheres."

    Copernicus tells the Pope that the Pythagoreans avoided writing anything down about their philosophies and chose instead to pass along their knowledge verbally. Why? To avoid the criticism of their contemporaries.

    The point is this. Let me use a personal example. My work sees a lot of conflict among the people involved in a project. Since each project is severely constrained by time and budgets, conflicts must be resolved quickly so issues can be resolved and the project can move to completion.

    While people resist vehemently, I require the parties to a conflict to meet where each can make their arguments (which most usually include accusations) and where the other party can respond. By this method, days of dragging out these types of issues are normally resolved in one meeting.

    This is why a public debate on the Internet would be most beneficial in this dispute between Sharples and Crothers.

    This back and forth has really gone on long enough. It's time to allow them to design their debate on the contested areas and then allow them to make their case on the Internet where questions can be fielded from the global audience.

    There is no good reason not to do this. Crothers is gaining a global audience. His work is being noticed and it is generating considerable positive feedback to him from disgruntled scientists who feel compelled to remain silent for political and economic reasons. Make no mistake, Crothers is building a scientific following.

    For the sake of argument, would you, Mr. Bridgman, be willing to host such a debate over the Internet with live video/audio and while taking questions from the global audience? If not, I'm sure such a service could be found without much trouble.

    I for one would tune in and help in anyway I could to make it happen.
    June 11, 2014 at 10:45 PM


    46. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Dave Sadler (part 1),

    As for criticism in science, it is by actually dealing with those criticisms that the science advances. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Self-proclaimed geniuses presenting flawed math claims and ignoring experimental evidence are quickly ignored, and justifiably so. They might enjoy some limited attention from gullible fans, but the beauty about cranks is there are loads of other cranks trying to get attention for THEIR 'revolutionary' idea.

    Consider the debate around the BICEP2 results (Are the BICEP2 Results Invalid? Probably Not.), which will not invalidate Big-Bang cosmology, only revise some understand of the very early stages. Wegener (Wikipedia) actually DID a great deal of work to back up his claim. Wegener was right about the continents moving, but he was wrong on the mechanism. It would take additional discoveries to vindicate the idea that the continents moved.
    --
    As for how science is 'overturned'? It might look that way to those who follow the press-releases more than the actual science.

    - The shape of the Earth is known to deviate from perfectly spherical, a fact that has been the subject of a number of 'discoveries' from the 1700s to the 1960s, but the Flat-Earthers will never be vindicated.

    - Did Einstein eliminate Newtonian motion and gravity? Nope, Einstein defined an underlying mechanism, but many of the predictions remained the same. The predictions were refined in limits of high speed and high mass which were beyond the experimental limits of earlier researchers. In most Earth-based applications, their mathematical predictions are indistinguishable by all but the most sensitive instruments. While we know general relativity is incomplete, whatever replaces it will still make many of the same predictions, just resolve the problems at even more extreme limits.

    - The basic equations of fluid mechanics (Wikipedia: Navier-Stokes equations) have been unchanged for over 100 years, but we steadily refine our understanding of parts of the equations like turbulence, viscosity, etc. Similar refinements have advanced plasma physics.

    The actual history reveals science has been more refined, than overturned, as we learn about the details of various processes.
    June 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM


    47. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Dave Sadler (part 2),

    Now to issues more specific to Crothers…

    * Are Crothers 'followers' using his results to compare to actual experiments or use in real technologies? If not (and I'm pretty sure they're not), they are more fans than followers. If no one but Mr. Crothers can do the computations to test them for experimental validation, then how are Mr. Crothers' 'followers' any different from members of a religious organization or cult with Mr. Crothers as the High Priest who delivers them his claimed 'Truth' which they have no capability of testing? Many others with experience using relativity in Real World Applications have demonstrated the Mr. Crothers understanding of General Relativity is flawed.

    * Crothers can't seem to decide what his issue with relativity is. Some of his writing seems to suggest he thinks the entire theory is flawed. Others just complain about the Schwarzschild solution. Crothers never actually presents any testable theory. His focus appears to be to 'beat' relativity by exposing claimed 'flaws'. How is this different from creationists trying to defeat evolution or Big-Bang cosmology based on claimed 'flaws' or 'problems'?

    * Crothers makes bizarre mathematical claims, such as claiming certain systems are 'unsolvable'. Yet we solve similar 'unsolvable' systems all the time, non-linear systems with feedbacks, electromagnetism, plasmas, fluid dynamics for designing aircraft. The general N-body problem in Newtonian gravity is 'unsolvable' in closed form for all but a few special cases for cases of more than two particles (N>2). We solve this system routinely for space travel to send missions around the solar system {where N>8} (see N-Body Simulations). Or does Crothers believe space flight is a hoax?

    * As for Crothers' whines about me 'censoring' him, you might note that there are a number of links to content on his site in the comments above. I just don't let him cram pages of text in my comment stream or post generic links to his site - which is SPAM.

    * Instead of a 'show' debate, perhaps one should insist on Crothers playing by the actual rules of science that made new technologies possible (see Doin' Astronomy (and Science in General)…).

    * Why should I give Crothers' 'arguments' more attention than the dozens (hundreds?) of others who make bizarre claims about relativity (such as those listed here, which isn't even a complete list, Crank.net: Relativity)?

    * Science gets settled by presenting mathematical models that match experimental results, NOT by showy 'debates' that do nothing but give higher profiles to pseudo-scientists. Why I should aid in Crothers' aspirations for publicity? He will receive no additional attention from me beyond his claims that I decide to address.

    Crothers claims undermine the real understanding of relativity, which is critical for the GPS system and other precision technologies. With his Electric Universe 'buddies' and their false claims about nuclear energy and huge electric fields in and around stars, they undermine the science behind nuclear energy and space flight. Interesting that these three fields were areas where the U.S. was not only leading the world but also fields that have serious implications for the U.S. economy and national defense should the national experience-base in these fields decline.

    I will not assist them in their aspirations for higher-profile publicity.
    June 22, 2014 at 3:58 PM


    48. Anonymous said...
    Crothers feels vilified because he's too much of a loon to realize everything he says comes off as offensive.

    I know nothing about the mathematics involved here, but without a shadow of a doubt anyone would conclude that Crothers is just a bitter little man who only uses attacks against others as defense to his ideas.

    Stephen - if you truly aren't a crackpot, perhaps use some more tasteful ways of arguing. You act like a freaking child.
    June 28, 2014 at 2:21 PM


    49. Anonymous said...
    @David Sadler: Do you understand Crowthers' ideas, sufficiently well to try to explain them to an audience well-versed in the relevant mathematics? If not, do you know of anyone else who is (other than Crowthers himself)?

    Does anyone - reading this comment - know of any such person, even indirectly?

    The impression I get is that no one can explain Crowthers' ideas in their own words. Am I wrong?

    If I am not wrong, then why is it, after all these years now, that no one can (apparently)?

    A debate may be good for one thing: explaining Crowthers' ideas to a wider audience. However, unless and until someone can be found who could stand in for Crowthers in such a debate (with or without his OK), surely there's nothing to debate, is there?

    In the historical cases of Copernicus, Galileo, Alfred Wegener and others you cite, there were certainly people who could present the 'hooligan' side in a debate, and very well too. That no one can present Crowthers' ideas - in a world with vastly more people with the relevant knowledge, and of vastly greater communications reach, that surely tells you something, wouldn't you say?
    June 30, 2014 at 2:24 PM


    50. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Mr. Crothers and his friends are abusive towards other scientists because they have been taught that true geniuses are often ridiculed by their colleagues. However, they make the mistake of assuming the inverse is also true.

    By being abusive towards other scientists and getting a few of them to respond in kind, cranks reinforce their delusion that they are geniuses themselves.

    “They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Newton. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
    --Carl Sagan
    July 1, 2014 at 6:52 PM


    51. David Sadler said...
    @Anonymous,

    W.T."Tom" Bridgman uses his real name. Stephen Crothers uses his real name. I use my real name and my website is attached. I'll need your real name and proof of it before engaging in conversation with you.
    July 1, 2014 at 10:39 PM


    52. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To David Sadler,

    Gee, the one Anonymous commenter you're complaining about is just rephrasing some of the same challenges that I posed above, specifically the first bullet item, which you evade.

    I have yet to find ANYONE using Crothers' 'reinterpretation' of relativity to do any Real World applications of relativity. Most of his 'followers' seem to be incapable of doing the math, and the others that have some mathematical background seem to be promoting their OWN pet reinterpretations of relativistic effects, with the same level of 'success', or rather FAILURE.

    If Crothers or one of his 'followers' cannot demonstrate things that can be compared to experiment, then Crothers' claims have no credibility.

    We have measured many of these predictions in the laboratory (and have been incorporated into technologies) and many other indirect predictions in cosmic environments.

    Tests of Special Relativity

    Tests of General Relativity
    July 2, 2014 at 9:12 PM


    53. don grant said...
    I would be interested in hearing any rebuttal to the claim that big bang theory is a modern version of creationism.....
    July 2, 2014 at 11:48 PM


    54. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To Don Grant,

    You're in luck. I had addressed this claim some time ago, from opposite sides!

    Is Big Bang Cosmology a 'Creationist' Model?
    July 3, 2014 at 7:11 AM


    55. Anonymous said...
    @David Sadler: I may be Adam Riess, or a high-school dropout single mother trying to keep clear of an abusive ex. The objective validity of what is written has nothing to do with who writes it, does it?

    In any case, I thought I was providing you an opportunity to strengthen your request: let's take you at your word when you write "Crothers is gaining a global audience. His work is being noticed and it is generating considerable positive feedback to him from disgruntled scientists who feel compelled to remain silent for political and economic reasons. Make no mistake, Crothers is building a scientific following." If so, then it would be almost trivially easy to find one of these scientists, who understands Crowthers' work well, and ask her to take Crowthers' side in a debate, wouldn't it?

    Actually, I guess you couldn't do that; as you need my real name and proof of it before engaging in conversation with me, you can't converse with any of these 'disgruntled scientists' (because they 'feel compelled to remain silent'). But then, come to think of it, if you won't converse with any of these people who you claim are the 'scientific following' Crowthers is building, how do you know they even exist?

    Consistency is a funny thing, wouldn't you say?
    July 3, 2014 at 11:38 AM


    56. Bruno Suric said...
    again read carefully:

    These are some of the things Croters talks about:

    The current state of physical science would suggest that science is neither fully self-correcting, nor does it willingly acknowledge blunders that inevitably occur when we tackle some of the toughest questions that can be asked. In fact, subjective interference in the supposedly objective scientific process has reached scandalous proportions. The last 100 years are replete with examples illustrating the failure of the scientific method to produce realistic answers. In 1915, Albert Einstein published his magnum opus, the General Theory of Relativity. In due course, British astronomer Arthur Eddington led an expedition to photograph the eclipse of the Sun, and record the bending of starlight by gravity as predicted by Einstein. Newton’s laws also predict the displacement of light paths by massive objects, known as half-deflection. Eddington himself later declared that “The measures pointed with all too good agreement to the ‘half-deflection,’ that is to say, the Newtonian value which is one-half the amount required by Einstein’s theory.” Another example is the solar neutrino problem. The Standard Solar Model was specific in its prediction of neutrinos emanating from core nuclear fusion from the Sun. From the 1960s on, neutrino observatories were set up to track neutrinos coming from the Sun. All the neutrino observatories gave the same answer, without exception: The flux of neutrinos coming from the Sun was a fraction of what it should have been. Clearly, nuclear fusion could not be the sole source of solar energy. Did the scientific method kick in and declare the hypothesis falsified? Not at all, quite the contrary. In 2002, Ray Davis and Masatoshi Koshiba won the Nobel Prize for Physics for establishing that only a third of the expected solar neutrinos were getting to the Earth. Somehow that result was taken as verification of the Standard Solar Model.
    July 3, 2014 at 10:29 PM


    57. Bruno Suric said...
    Consistency is a funny thing, wouldn't you say?

    Try scientific approach
    July 3, 2014 at 10:31 PM


    58. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    Mr. Suric should take his own advice. Part of the scientific approach is REPRODUCIBILITY.

    I've written on the lame claim about the original Eddington observations of gravitational deflection.

    Supporters of this claim seem oblivious to the fact that this was far from the only time in history these observations could be done, and have been repeated, and improved upon, in the 90+ years since. The Hipparcos data has measured the deflection to an accuracy of 0.3%, far more than enough to exclude the Newtonian model of light deflection. See
    Relativity Denial: The 1919 Solar Eclipse.

    The claims about the standard solar model and neutrinos is so flawed it will take an entire post which should appear next week.
    July 6, 2014 at 6:37 PM


    59. Anonymous said...
    @Bruno Suric: Crowthers' (with an 'h') published material has many shortcomings, of several kinds; however, I don't recall him making the two utterly outrageous claims you made (re tests of gravitational deflection by the Sun, and solar neutrinos).

    Can you cite publications by Crowthers which contain either of the two claims (or both)?

    Yes, consistency includes checking that what Bruno Suric writes aligns with objective reality. ;-)
    July 6, 2014 at 7:17 PM


    60. Bruno Suric said...
    we are talking apples and pears.
    no amount of data will be enough to persuade anyone here. we all believe in reality and truthfulness of what we claim to be the real deal.
    gentlemen, if it makes is easier for you to live on, you are right.

    no matter how much mainstream wants me to believe in point like structures, infinite densities, and other, brought into existence, ideas of dark this and dark that, i will not follow.

    invoking concepts and treating them as facts is nonsense on a big bang scale. anything or anyone claiming that matter can be created to begin with, only to remove any logical next step by introducing the idea that it makes no sense to ask what was there before matter was created because there was no before.......
    really? really?

    wow ! clap your hands, hey ho clap your hands!!!!

    it takes arrogance, lameness, utter self love and desperate need to be in the limelight, to come up with an idea which allows one to erase, in one stroke, anyone's attempt to question and correct.

    obviously what i wrote has nothing to do with Crothers, S.J, but is a brief take on "modern" science that has brought most of mainstreams ideas into existence,
    and allowed for ridicule and bullying of ones logical and real 3d view of universe around one.
    July 7, 2014 at 4:20 AM


    61. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    My response to Bruno Suric's claims about the Standard Solar Model, solar neutrinos, and falsification, can be found at
    Falsifying Scientific Models.
    July 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM


    62. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    I have removed two comments posted to this stream that I consider link spam (Wikipedia), attempting to raise the profile of crank science sites.

    One is posted to an inappropriate thread as it is a link to YET ANOTHER solar model under the 'electric sun' banner (see The Sad State of Electric Suns: Not So Bright) demonstrating that they STILL do not have a model suitable for simulating the solar system radiation environment, needed for planning spacecraft missions (see the Death by Electric Universe posts linked here).

    The other comment was a link to a paper by Stephen Crothers spinning his harassment of professional scientists as a win for him. Mr. Crothers, has STILL not provided any EXPERIMENTAL evidence of his claims against relativity (Wikipedia: Tests of General Relativity). The comment suggested there were ongoing attempts to sucker some professional scientist to 'debate' Mr. Crothers (see Pseudoscience, 'Debates' & Unintended Consequences).

    63. Hans Schatten said...
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7453-the-factuals-versus-the-old-age-bs-or-oabs#106739

    The 'Electric Universe' or EU model is a fake science Bob. I am addressing here the general websites linked to the 'thunderbolt project' and related forums and websites. The correspondent David Sadler below is one of administrators of such a forum; but the general debate below is on a rather more technical footing, regarding one contributor of Stephen J. Crothers, who is often cited by EU adherents as having the necessary mathematical background to support and enhance the ideas of the 'Electric Universe' proposals.
    It is basically a vehement and passionate attempt to 'bash' the 'Standard Models' in contemporary physics and cosmology, which are historically validated and tested every day in the laboratory and 'proven' nowadays in the 'correct' workings of the GPS system in say motor vehicle navigation and location and the observed physical facts in many experiments from Cerenkov radiation of electron scattering to the correct calculations of basically standard Newtonian mechanics to send space probes to comets visiting the local star system from the outer regions of that solar system.
    For anyone interested to separate scientific fact from fictions, I am sharing a 'lively' debate between the EU forum and website advocates and a particular Einstein-Big Bang 'basher' in a well 'you tubed' 'alternative' mathematical physicist in a Stephen J. Crothers.

    Perusing this 'debate', anyone can clearly discern the relative validities of the respective arguments for and against scientific sounding, but relatively easily debunked claims of a real 'alternative science or physics or cosmology'. Many links to original papers and discourses are provided in this discourse from 2009 to the present time. I might add that many of the claims of the EU camp refers to the 'alternative' cosmological model of a 'real cosmologist, known as Hannes Alfven, who simply attempted to provide a parallel interpretation to the 'Big Bang Cosmology' proposing a 'Steady State ' a la Fred Hoyle (another real qualified scientist) as an Infinite universe in time and space. Alfven simply tried to introduce the importance of cosmic electromagneto-dynamics into the scientific library and related this to testable and analytic predictions also related to the intergalactic and interstellar media of ionised gas and plasma physics.
    Unfortunately some not qualified 'alternative scientists' have hijacked Alfven's scientific approach to 'test and propose' new ideas and models for their own nebulous and sometimes ad hominem and dogmatic agendas. The debate below could illustrate this for the inquisitive and unbiased reader.

    By the way Bob, there is a real 'alternative science' regarding the electromagneto-dynamic nature of the universe. But this does not propose non existent supercurrents between galaxies and starsytems produced say in the Alfven-Klein model, which has not found any evidence in nature. Rather it introduces the magnetic charge of the magnetic monopole as a Pre Big Bang physical entity, which gave existence to the material nature of the Big Bang constituents, which later evolved into neutron stars and galaxies and later generation stars. There is much detail as to the technicalities and nature of the actual 'magnetic currents' which became a 'missing ingredient' in the Standard Cosmology. It is the nature and existence of the magnetic monopole, on the gravitational galactic level and which is also found in the strong nuclear interaction of the inner (sub)atom as a magnetic colour charge, which is more at the end of a rainbow as the 'pot of gold' Hannes Alfven was envisaging, than the falsified and physically untenable 'Electric Universe' proposal.

    Abraxasinas, October 26th, 2014

    October 26, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    64. Anonymous said...

    It is funny to read your copy paste from big bang bible.
    Get a life and open your eyes.
    Thank you for hours of comedy material.
    Yours truly,
    21. Century kid.
    October 27, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    65. W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...
    To 21. Century kid.

    Do you know how much of science behind your so-called 'big bang bible' laid the basis for the technology you're using to read this?
    Cosmos in Your Pocket",
    'Out There' Astrophysics Impacts Technology (again)

    I have a life. My science understanding has opened opportunities for me that pseudo-scientists can only dream of.
    November 2, 2014 at 6:41 PM


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    The Holocaust LIE is the Centerpiece of the New World Order/Beast Power of Revelation 13

    by Lorraine Day, M.D.
    ....

    Respectful Insolence

    Dr. Lorraine Day: Purveyor of woo, homophobia, and Holocaust denial

    orac2-58x58. Posted by Orac on January 12, 2007


    Those of you who’ve been around this blog for a long time probably remember Dr. Lorraine Day. In fact, I mentioned her in one of the very first substantive posts that I ever did regarding why breast cancer testimonials for alternative medicines are inherently misleading, presenting her as an example of a once respected academic orthopedic surgeon who had fallen deeply into woo. I had also been aware of her association with infamous Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel, but I had mainly thought that this was more because of Zündel’s love of woo (he claimed that he had cancer and had called Dr. Day in to provide him with all sorts of “alternative” treatments for this), rather than her sympathy for his right-wing, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying beliefs.
    Boy was I wrong, as fellow traveler in the fight against Holocaust denial Andrew Mathis has revealed to me in his detailed debunking of an interview that Dr. Day gave on a conspiracy-mongering website. I listened to this interview, and it shocked even me. To get a hint of what’s in the interview, check out the introduction:
    Dr. Lorraine Day discusses the control over the medical industry by a small group of Jews and Goyim who consider us pawns in their game of world conquest. However, the Jews who follow the Talmud are actually using their Goyim “friends” also.
    As Andrew puts it:
    How do you use a keyboard while wearing a straightjacket?
    But it’s even worse than that even that, as I found out when I foolishly tried to listen to the interview. My ears are still burning, and I’m sure I lost thousands of neurons from it. What I do in the name of skepticism and critical thinking!

    After having heard part of the interview, I just had to check out Dr. Day’s other website, and, not surprisingly, I found signs of a deeply disturbed individual who is also deeply into woo, both medical and historical. I probably shouldn’t call the historical misinformation “woo,” though. In comparison to what Dr. Day lays down, “woo” seems like a happy word, used to describe harmless flights from reason. Dr. Day’s New World Order conspiracy-mongering and anti-Semitism are anything but harmless. Some excerpts:

    Anti-Semitism: Here is the definition of Anti-Semitism from the lips of a Jew: “Anti-Semitism does NOT signify opposition to Semitism. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. It is an expression we use effectively as a SMEARWORD, used to brand anyone who brings criticism against us.” Harold W. Rosenthal (Jewish), administrative assistant for then-U.S. Senator Jacob K. Javits (Jewish) of New York, in an interview with American Christian magazine editor, Walter White.
    “A man is considered an anti-Semite if he calls a Jew a Jew.” Hillaire Belloc, quoted in Culture Wars (Sept 2000).
    “My unpardonable crime,” said Boris Lunachev, a former leader of the Communist Youth in Russia, “was to call a Jew a Jew.”
    Eighty to ninety percent of all the “Jews” in the world have NO Semitic ancestry, they are Khazars – – of “Gentile” origin, barbarian Mongol Turks, from the area of Khazaria (now the Caucasus portion of Western Russia), people who, in about 740 A.D., accepted the religion and/or culture of Judaism. Very few, if any, “Jews” in the world today, have any Semitic blood (Semite, from the word Shemite. Shem was one of the sons of Noah). See The Thirteenth Tribe, by Jewish author, Arthur Koestler.
    This term, anti-Semitism, is often incorrectly used by “Jews” to smear and discredit non-Jews who are looking for truth in history.
    If one tells the truth about the Jews, such as “The Jews own Hollywood” (something they admit to each other), or “The Jews own the media” (something they brag about among themselves), one is considered an “anti-Semite.”
    This is a clever subterfuge to eliminate any criticism of any Jew for any thing. If any Jews happen to be involved in any under-handed or even illegal activities, and someone exposes that activity, that person is branded an “anti-Semite.”
    And:
    Holocaust: A term that for years was defined as any devastating event. It was specifically used to describe World Wars I and II, in general.
    More recently this term has been “hi-jacked” by the Jews who use it, incorrectly, to describe the purported treatment of the Jews at the hands of the Germans during World War II. Actually, it better describes the Post-World War II treatment of the German citizens by the Allies (the U.S., U.K and USSR), who were taking their orders from International Jewry, including then-U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower, a Swedish Jew, according to his West Point graduation yearbook.
    Very few people realize that the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust”, what the revisionists refer to as the Holocaust Hoax, is the CENTERPIECE of the Zionist Jews’ Plan to destroy all nations, control the entire world, slaughter most of the population of the earth, and reduce the rest to slaves. Without the belief in the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust” by the average Jews, and everyone else as well, NONE of these things could occur! Their plans would be foiled!
    For decades, America has been pummeled non-stop with “Holocaust” propaganda. On almost every corner, in every city in America, a “Holocaust” museum is rising, paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Propaganda about the “Holocaust” is filling the school textbooks and indoctrinating the minds of our children.
    What is the reason behind this incessant indoctrination?
    It is absolutely essential that all Jews, in particular, and everyone else, in general, believe the Zionist Jews’ version of the “Holocaust”, for the following reasons.
    1. The rank and file Jews must be made to believe that non-Jews want them dead, and that millions of Jews were killed because Hitler, apparently for NO REASON except blatant bigotry, ordered their death.
    2. The rank and file Jews must be terrified into believing that this “same thing” will happen again – – if any one says any thing bad (even if it’s true) about any Jew. That is why the Hate Crimes legislation is taking place in America. That is why the Zionist Jews are kidnapping and illegally imprisoning anyone who questions the Zionist Jews’ version of the “Holocaust”, including Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolph, David Irving, Siegfried Verbeke, and others. They have committed no “crime” other than to question history!
    3. The forensic evidence regarding the “Holocaust”, hard facts painstakingly collected by the Holocaust Revisionists, will stand up in any impartial court of law completely refuting the supposed “eye witness” accounts of survivors, and the Zionist Jews know that! These “eyewitness” survivors, when placed under oath in a Court of Law, have withered on the stand under cross-examination, admitting they lied, including one of the top Jewish supporters of the Holocaust, Raul Hilberg.
    Instead of countering this forensic evidence that refutes the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust” with hard evidence supporting their views, the Zionist Jews respond with insults, smears, more arrests, assassinations, non-stop propaganda campaigns, and rapidly multiplying “Holocaust” museums. Never once do they sit down with the Revisionists to discuss the issues!​

    All of these are denier canards, and not even very good ones. They’re all debunked at The Holocaust History Project, Holocaust Controversies, and Nizkor. If I were in the mood, I could tear all of them apart without even breaking a sweat, intellectually speaking.
    Besides her claims that Jews control research funding by the NIH and that the head of the NIH has almost always been a Jew, she takes the case of a Jewish colleague of hers who always managed to obtain NIH funding. She asked him how he did it, and he told her that he went to the NIH every year and asked them what sort of broad areas of research the NIH considered a priority for the next year and then tailored his research to NIH priorities. Actually, as long as you’re interested in those areas of research, too, this is a very smart strategy. Not to Dr. Day, who views it as evidence that the “Jew-controlled” NIH dictates the kind of research that will be done and that the medical profession all must buckle under. (Oh, and they were also behind Salk’s research, which is as part of “population extermination.”) Never mind the fact that American scientists are trying very hard to bypass the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research (that’s the NIH in particular, Dr. Day) by looking for alternate sources of funding. The ban may have slowed down stem cell research, but it has by no means prevented it.
    Perhaps Dr. Day’s most bizarre claim dates back to the 1980’s. During the early part of the AIDS epidemic, according to Dr. Day, attending physicians didn’t draw blood or have much physical contact with AIDS patients. Instead, the interns and residents did. This may well have been very true, but ask yourself: How often do attending surgeons draw the blood of any patient? Not very. In fact, I can’t remember the last time I drew blood; it was probably at least three or four years ago. In any case, she says that she was “floating around in AIDS blood all the time” (not surprising, given that she made her name by claiming, on the basis of poor evidence, that aerosolized blood was an enormous risk and could transmit HIV easily, conveniently ignoring the fact that the only way any health care workers every contracted HIV was from needlesticks or accidents with sharp objects that resulted in blood-to-blood contact. While ranting about this story, Dr. Day accused Dr. Julie Gerberding, who was at San Francisco General Hospital then and is head of the CDC now, of lying to the public about AIDS and then claimed that Dr. Gerberding was “rewarded” for this lying by being appointed head of the CDC. She then stated that AIDS is a man-made virus made at Fort Detrick and claimed that homosexuality would be promoted as a lifestyle that would “destroy family cohesion,” “introduce degeneracy,” and “spread disease,” implying that it was part of the same Jewish plot. She then linked this to Hitler, stating that Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany because they were promoting the “same kind of degeneracy,” while she spewed the usual denier lie that Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews but only kick them out of the Reich (something that may have been largely true in 1934 but most definitely was not true in 1944, when the Holocaust was under full steam).

    Great. Not only is Dr. Day a woo-meister, but she’s a homophobe, a religious loon, an anti-Semite, a racist, and a Holocaust denier. After about 15 minutes, I couldn’t stand listening anymore, but I encourage you to listen to as much as you can stomach. It’s rare to see such an amazing degree of utter wingnuttery on display, and I admire Andrew for listening to it all and debunking the stuff he is knowledgeable about.
    Dr. Lorraine Day is exhibit one in the case that a lack of critical thinking skills in one area is frequently associated with a lack of critical thinking skills in other areas. In her case, even while she was the Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital in the 1980’s, her lack of critical thinking became apparent in her hysterical warnings about aerosolized blood as a huge danger for AIDS. This could be somewhat understandable, given her profession, location, and the time period in which she developed these views, but even then it was known that aerosolized blood wasn’t much of a threat to health care personnel and is pretty easy to protect against with simple barrier methods. However, after developing breast cancer, something happened, and Dr. Day apparently lost her remaining critical thinking abilities, leading to her selling various altie treatments, claiming that there is a conspiracy to hide these “cures” (predating Kevin Trudeau by at least a decade), and, now, apparently, delving deeply into Holocaust denial.

    Woo breeds woo, and, all too often, conspiracy-mongering of the worst sort as well. Much of the time, the additional woo that is bred is not as vile and harmful as Holocaust denial (more like UFOs or New Age woo), but it’s not infrequent that susceptibility to seemingly benign woo is an indicator of susceptibility to more malignant forms of pseudoscience, crankery, or pseudohistory. After reading Dr. Day’s sites, I almost wish that she had simply decided that creationism is correct; it would have been less disgusting than what she does believe. (My guess: Give her time; she’ll start spewing creationism as well.) From my perspective, though, it’s very sad indeed to see a once talented academic surgeon sink to these depths.

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/01/12/dr-lorraine-day-purveyor-of-woo-and-anti/


    The HOLOCAUST LIE is the Centerpiece of the New World Order/Beast Power of Revelation 13

    Lorraine Day, M.D.

    The “Golden Rule.” He who has the Gold – Rules!
    Without the Holocaust LIE, a One World Government would be impossible!
    The One World Government is run by the Jews, who own the money supply of virtually every country in the world. The ruling organization – the “Front” for this One World Government/New World Order - will be the United Nations that was founded, and is still run, by the Jews, even though they do so from behind the scenes. They still “work in the dark,” as Jesus so aptly noted when they came to arrest and kill Him.

    The Control of Oil is essential to the Rule of the World
    The Middle East contains some of the largest oil reserves in the world. In order to control the world, the control of energy is mandatory. In order to fulfill their long-term goal of World Government and total control, it was necessary for the Jews to establish a base in the Middle East in order to expand their territory to include most, if not all, of the oil supplies in that area.

    The Jews are NOT Jews!
    Approximately 90% of all the “Jews” in the world are Khazars, Caucasian barbarian Mongol-Turks, from Khazaria, a nation that occupied what is now Western Russia. In the 8th century, this nation of Mongol-Turks arbitrarily embraced the religion and culture of Judaism. Therefore, the “Jews” have NO “semitic” ancestry, they are NOT descendants of the Biblical Israelites (who were of no special ethnicity – they were called “Israelites” because they worshiped the same God as their ancestor Jacob – who was given the SPIRITUAL name of “Israel), and they are NOT “Jewish,” except by the Culture that they borrowed, accepted, and embraced as their own.

    Therefore, the “Jews” have no right to the area of Palestine, they have no right to call their nation “Israel,” and they have no right to claim the Biblical promises for the “Israel” of the Old Testament.
    In short, the nation of “Israel,” and the “Jews” themselves, are BOTH gigantic Frauds.
    They are IMPOSTERS of the worst kind!
    The TRUE Israelites of the Old Testament were CHRISTIANS. They worshiped the One True God of the Bible, and they were looking forward to the Messiah – Jesus Christ. Judaism did NOT begin until AFTER the Pharisees (the “Jews”) murdered Christ and subsequently were taken into captivity where the Pharisees wrote down the abhorrent “Oral Traditions” that became the Talmud – the “holiest” book of Judaism.” These “Oral Traditions” that eventually became the Talmud, were the very “traditions” that Jesus strongly rebuked, saying that they (the “traditions”) made the Scriptures (the Law of God) of “none effect.”

    Who was Responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution?
    More than 80% of the Bolshevik Revolutionaries were Jews. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was clearly “Jewish” – in fact, in their literature, the Jews brag about that fact. Lenin, Stalin, Marx and Trotsky were all Jews, and the Bolshevik Revolution was financed by Jewish Wall Street Bankers. The Bolshevik Revolution was Jewish to its core.
    As soon as the Jews took over in Russia, their first order of business was to exterminate, by outright slaughter with the sword and by forced famine, the “Gentiles,” particularly the “Gentile” Christians, and more particularly, the “Gentile” German Christians who were the largest ethnic group living in the Ukraine.
    Many years before, the Russian Czar had asked the Germans, who were renowned for their expertise in farming, to immigrate to the Ukraine, a country that subsequently became known as the “bread basket” of Europe, as it provided food for Russia and for much of Europe. The Germans agreed to go to Russia if they were allowed to live separately as a German community, continue to speak their native German language, and continue to worship in the religion of their homeland. The Czar agreed, and the Germans came to the Ukraine.

    Watching Communism in Action
    When the Jewish Communist Bolsheviks began their ruthless slaughter and forced starvation of the “Gentiles” in Russia beginning in 1917 (and continuing for decades), particularly the German Christian “Gentiles” living in the Ukraine, the Germans in Germany had a close-up view of the terrorism and wickedness of Communism. They also knew that Communism originated in the Jewish culture, specifically from the demonic Jewish Talmud that was – and is even today - considered to be the “holiest” book in Judaism. The Germans in Germany were aware that their relatives and other fellow Germans were being shot, stabbed to death, incarcerated in inhumane concentration camps in Russia, and starved to death by the Jewish Communist Bolsheviks.
    World War I was instigated by the Jews with the goals of 1) taking Palestine from the Turks and placing it in the hands of the British (the Jews already controlled the British government) and, 2) destroying the country of Germany, their Christian culture of honesty and integrity, their strong work ethnic, and their stable, thriving, economy. And that is exactly what happened.

    Why Did the Germans Embrace Hitler?
    Hitler knew his history well. He knew that Communism was Jewish, and that the Jews planned to dominate Europe, then the entire world. England had already capitulated to the Jews – 400 hundred years before - by the underhanded work of John Dee, a Jew, and the Head of Security for Queen Elizabeth I. Previously, Jews had been banned from Europe because of 1) their blatant usury, 2) their complete lack of allegiance to the country in which they lived, and, 3) because they were constant troublemakers wherever they were. But when Dee became a confidante of Queen Elizabeth I, he persuaded her to begin allowing the clandestine return to England of the moneyed and elitist Jews.

    “When Elizabeth I took the throne in 1558, Dee became her trusted advisor on astrological and scientific matters, even choosing Elizabeth's coronation date himself. From the 1550s through the 1570s, he served as an advisor to England's voyages of discovery, providing technical assistance in navigation and ideological backing in the creation of a "British Empire", and was the first to use that term. Dee was also Elizabeth I's spy. He used as his signature on correspondences to Elizabeth the number "007" which would later be used by Ian Fleming in his James Bond novels. In 1577, Dee published General and Rare Memorials pertayning to the Perfect Arte of Navigation, a work that set out his vision of a maritime empire and asserted English territorial claims on the New World.

    “In 1564, Dee wrote the Hermetic work Monas Hieroglyphica ("The Hieroglyphic Monad"), an exhaustive Cabalistic interpretation of a glyph of his own design, meant to express the mystical unity of all creation. This work was highly valued by many of Dee's contemporaries, but the loss of the secret oral tradition of Dee's milieu makes the work difficult to interpret today.

    “By the early 1580s, Dee was growing dissatisfied with his progress in learning the secrets of nature and with his own lack of influence and recognition. He began to turn towards the supernatural as a means to acquire knowledge. Specifically, he sought to contact “angels” through the use of a "scryer" or crystal-gazer (a witch), who would act as an intermediary between Dee and the angels.” Wikipedia, John Dee.

    But John Dee, after making a pact with Jewish Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague to deliver England to the Jews, convinced Queen Elizabeth I that the Royal families of Europe, by intermarrying with the Jews, could rule the world. He claimed, without any proof whatsoever, that the (“Gentile”) monarchies of Europe were descendants of the Northern Ten Tribes of Israel, who had been taken captive and ultimately found their way to England. The Jews of Europe, he erroneously claimed, were the descendants of the Southern two Israelite tribes, Judah and Benjamin, who also had been taken captive and became disseminated throughout Europe. Together, John Dee claimed, the English (“Gentile”) Monarchies of Europe and the Jews of Europe, were the descendants of the original Twelve Tribes of Israel, re-united as the “Chosen People” of God who had the right – and the obligation – to Conquer and Rule over the whole world.

    The Jews also controlled France and were responsible for the French Revolution, including the elimination of the throne by the murder of Marie Antoinette and King Louis XVI by guillotine, as well as the elimination of God from the French society and culture and the elevation of wickedness, utter debauchery, and atheism to heights never before reached in France.
    Now, Russia, formerly a Christian nation with a Christian Czar, had been ruthlessly conquered by the Jews, who were rapidly exterminating the non-Jewish population of that country.
    The main free country remaining in Europe that had a strong economy, a population of hard-working, creative, orderly, clean, intelligent people, with a strategic location, was Germany.
    The Jews had, for many years, been infiltrating into key positions in the German government, German culture, the arts, and the banking industry of Germany, until Germany had almost been completely overtaken from the inside by the Jews. Hitler recognized this attempted silent Jewish coup de’ tat and immediately stopped it, by rooting out all the Jewish influence and power in the German government, the arts, and the banking industry.
    Hitler understood that Jewish Communism’s goal was the barbaric, totalitarian rule of the world – by force. The Jews ultimate goal THEN – as well as NOW - was/is to DESTROY ALL governments and ALL religions. Hitler wanted to save the heritage of the Europeans, the white race, which the Jews and their Communist philosophy were intent on destroying completely, and he wanted to save Germany and all of Europe from being devastated and overwhelmed by Communism.
    Hitler wanted the Jews OUT of Germany – and OUT of Europe! Emigration of the Jews out of Europe and out of Germany – NOT genocide - was Hitler’s “Final Solution” to the Jewish problem.

    Who Started World War II?
    After England had bombed Germany SIX times, finally Hitler retaliated against England with air strikes. The sinister plan of Winston Churchill, an admitted Zionist Jew, along with Joseph Stalin, head of the U.S.S.R., another Zionist Jew, and subsequently, U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, also a Zionist Jew, was to FORCE Germany into war as an excuse for the allies to bomb Germany and the German people into oblivion.
    It’s plain to see that the JEWS (Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt) declared WAR against Germany – NOT the other way around. In addition, the attached headline proves that International Jewry declared WAR against Germany. The Jews living in Germany threatened to sabotage the war effort of Germany in a war with Britain and/or Russia. By doing so, the Jews of Germany thereby declared themselves traitors to the nation - Germany - in which they were living, a fact that completely justified Hitler’s rounding them up for incarceration in Concentration Camps.
    But Jews were placed in German Concentration camps only AFTER the U.S. Government had rounded up the Japanese, who were loyal U.S. citizens, living peacefully in America - and put them in Concentration Camps that were far more barbaric than the Camps run by the Germans in which the Jews were housed.

    Why Didn’t the Jews go to Madagascar?
    Because Hitler and the Germans could see the debauchery of their culture, the planned inflation and destruction of their money supply, and the usurpation of their government, caused by the Jews, they wanted the Jews out of Germany. The Germans wanted Germany returned to the Germans. They wanted their culture, their stable government, and their high ethics and morality to be returned as it had been BEFORE the infiltration of the Jews and their degeneracy.
    The elitist International Jews were not concerned in the least that the rank and file Jews were being incarcerated in concentration camps. In fact, they had encouraged the imprisonment of the rank and file Jews by their bold public announcement of planned sabotage of the German government by Jews. (See Newspaper headline.) The International super-rich elitist Jews, safe in their homes in other cities of luxury such as New York, Paris, and London, wanted the moderately rich Jews in Germany and the rest of Europe to be frightened enough of imprisonment by Germany, to leave Europe, including Germany, and flee to Palestine to provide a “Jewish” presence – and money - in that country that had for hundreds of years been inhabited almost solely by the Palestinians.
    The elitist Jews wanted Palestine for the Jews, but more importantly they wanted it for their own nefarious purposes for the ultimate control of the world – and they would even cruelly sacrifice their own “Jewish kinsmen” to get it.
    Hitler was actively working with the International Jews to move all the Jews out of Germany and Europe. The Island of Madagascar was Hitler’s choice for the Jews’ destination, but the International Jews insisted that the Jews of Germany and other areas in Europe be sent to Palestine, a set-up for their (the Jews’) subsequent take-over of that area for the nation of “Israel.” If the International Jews could not have Palestine, they would let their lower level, rank and file Jewish kinsmen rot and die in the Concentration Camps. To the BIG Jews, the “little” Jews were nothing more than cannon fodder, to be sacrificed for the greed of the elitist Jews. To the BIG super-rich, elitist Jews, the “little” Jews were nothing but “goyim” – a derogatory term, meaning cattle or sub-human beasts, usually reserved by the Jews for non-Jews.

    When one Jew of major stature in Jewry confronted a European Jewish Organization with the fact that Hitler had agreed to release ALL Jews incarcerated in Concentration Camps under German control, for a particular sum of money (an amount that would have been easy to fund from their Jewish coffers), IF the released Jews emigrated out of Europe, the “Big” Jews responded, “When this war is over, there will have been a lot of blood shed on all sides. We want to make sure that we have had a lot of Jewish blood shed as well, so we can have strength at the bargaining table, ultimately to take over Palestine.” And they refused to provide the money that would release the Jews from the Concentration Camps!

    The BIG Jews were – and are - more than willing to sacrifice the “little” Jews to get what they want – the Rule and Ownership of the World for themselves. The “little” Jews are used as nothing more than pawns in a cynical chess game, with the final prize being the control of the whole world and its resources, and the murder and/or enslavement of everyone else on earth. The “little” Jews have become nothing more than expendable “goyim.”

    World War I
    The goal of World War I was to transfer the control of Palestine from the Turks to the British, a country controlled by the Jews since the 16th century (and John Dee’s skullduggery), as well as to devastate the country of Germany and its economy.

    World War II
    The goal of World War II was to transfer the control of Palestine from the British to the Jews, to be known as the state of Israel, and to hand over Eastern Europe to the Communists. The major players at the table at the Conference at Yalta (a city in Crimea, in Southern Ukraine) to accomplish these dastardly acts, were England’s Prime Minister Winston Churchill (a Jew), U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt (a Jew), and Russian Premier Joseph Stalin (a Jew).
    They were there to insure the destruction of the German people, the destruction of the German government (that has, since that time, been completely controlled from behind the scenes by the Jews – as is the government of the United States), and the conquering of virtually the whole of Europe for the Jewish Zionist Communists.
    You will note that in both wars, World War I and World War II, ostensibly fought for the “freedom” of America and the “free world,” the covert plan was to sacrifice our sons, the sons of loyal Americans, for the financial and totalitarian enrichment of the International Zionist Jews. The Jews had no intention of sacrificing their own sons when they could use the United States and its citizens, as their proxy.
    So, in 1948, the fraudulent nation of “Israel” was established by the ritual sacrifice of innocent “Gentile” young military men from America, Britain and Germany, on the alter of Jewish voracious greed.

    World War II casualties totaled over SIXTY-FIVE MILLION dead, 25 million military casualties and over 40 million civilian casualties. Compare this 65 million Gentile deaths to the supposed “6 million deaths” of Jews in the concentration camps under control of the German government. There are almost no memorials to the 65 million Gentiles who died supposedly defending “freedom,” yet there is a memorial to the supposed 6 millions Jews on practically every corner in America.

    Yet, even the Jews who now control, for tourist – and mostly for propaganda – purposes, the German concentration camps that housed Jews – and others - during World War II, have, themselves, lowered the figure of those who supposedly died in the camps, from 4 million at Auschwitz, down to 1.5 million. This is a decrease of 2.5 million presumed dead by “genocide,” which, by rights, should decrease the “hallowed” 6 million figure down to 3.5 million.

    But that has never happened. The sacred “Six Million” figure is the basis of the new undeclared religion in America and in most other countries around the world. That figure of “6 million” cannot even be questioned in Australia, Germany, Canada, France, and Austria, without resulting in a fine and/or a prison sentence.
    And it will not be long until these draconian laws will be passed in America, the U.K. and eventually every other country on earth!
    As stated above, “Holocaustamania” has become the undeclared Religion of the world!



    Take-Over of the World
    If a group of evil men decided to take control of the whole world, how could they possibly pull it off? What would be the steps necessary to make it a reality


    [1*]The plan would have to be done secretly – with great stealth - or the populations of the various countries of the world would rise up and kill the perpetrators.
    [2*]The plan would require vast financial resources.
    [3*]The population of the various countries, particularly the developed countries, would have to believe that they were involved in the running of their respective governments. But the evil group would control ALL elections, and all governments, from behind the scenes.
    [4*]Every citizen in every country would have to be disarmed.
    [5*]Every government of every country in the world would have to be disarmed.
    [6*]All fuels and energy production, both oil and nuclear energy, would have to be controlled (from behind the scenes) by the secret, evil group.
    [7*]All media would have to be controlled to prevent the public from knowing the truth about the plan to control the world.
    [8*]Control of education to make sure the coming generations would be propagandized to view the evil group as their “saviours.”
    [9*]Laws must be passed to make it a crime, punishable by heavy fines and imprisonment – and even death, for anyone to criticize the evil group.
    [10*]A perpetual state of emergency must be induced by the threat of supposed “terrorists” so the people would be willing to give up their rights in exchange for their “safety.”
    [11*]Those who refused to support the evil group must be branded “terrorists” and imprisoned or killed.
    [12*]Morality and Christian principles must be exterminated from every country because they encourage men and women to search for truth and to expose lies.
    [13*]The textbooks must be controlled in order to re-write history, blotting out the memory of a country’s proud heritage – the Destruction of Memory!
    [14*]Every person in every country must be made dependent on the state for their very survival: their food, water, shelter, clothing, and job.
    [15*]A larger group must be deceived and recruited to carry out the plans of the few evil elitists at the top. The larger group must be controlled through fear, and kept in the dark about the true goals of the few who control them.
    [16*]Conjure up a way to claim that you – the evil group members - are “special” to God – above all other people who have ever lived on the earth – and that God blesses ALL your acts, even your blatantly criminal, murderous acts, so the Christians will become your defenders.



    What would be the mechanism by which these things could be accomplished?

    1. It would be done secretly. The elitist group would have to be connected as blood relatives, by intermarriage, or at least by ethnicity and wealth. The lower levels of the relatives or “race” would be used to implement the plan of the elitists, but those at the low level would not be privy to the big picture, nor to the fact that they were just being “used.”

    FACT: The Elitist, super-wealthy Jews are the culprits, using the rank and file Jews as their deceived stooges.

    2. A way would have to be found to force other countries to give the evil group huge sums of money. A presumption of guilt for a heinous crime – real or imagined – with demands for huge reparations could be the mechanism for obtaining the money.

    FACT: The Holocaust LIE. A LIE as big as they get! With huge reparations demanded from Germany, gigantic loans from the U.S. that are never repaid, and fraudulent demands from Swiss banks for supposed wealth confiscated from the Jews during World War II, money that goes to the diabolic plan for control of the world by the elitist Jews – not to the families of those from which the money was supposedly confiscated.

    3. Set up what appears to be Representative government, but the appointments of all heads of all major committees in the Congress will be only for those who are controlled by the evil group. In addition, the presidential candidates, and the members of the cabinet of each government will be hand-picked, and totally controlled, by the evil group. The public will be allowed to vote only for candidates, irrespective of the party, that have been picked solely by the evil group. So it does not matter who wins, all candidates will be controlled by the evil group.

    FACT: The Jews control virtually ALL governments – from behind the scenes - because they control the money supply of every country in the world through their respective Central banks.

    4. Gun control will be enforced by staging (false-front) shootings in subways, government buildings, shopping centers, and particularly in schools, to terrorize everyone into demanding that legislation be passed to make everyone give up their guns. The public will be thrilled to exchange their freedom for - - “safety.”

    FACT: Mind-control slaves, clandestinely trained by the Jewish-controlled CIA, have been programmed to shoot citizens randomly, in stores, office buildings, public places, such as subways, and especially shooting of children in schools.
    Legislators are hard at work, getting gun-control legislation passed to disarm every citizen in the U.S. That has already taken place in Australia.

    5. Every country would have to be disarmed under the guise of bringing about “World Peace.” Then the One World Government – the elitist, evil group – would be the only group to have control of all weaponry, including nuclear weapons. No country would be able to defend itself.

    FACT: This is the World disarmament plan of the United Nations. So, eventually, ONLY the United Nations will have weapons. The Jews were the founders of, and provided the original funding for, the United Nations. The United Nations continues to be controlled, from behind, by the Jews.

    6. The evil, elitist group would have to establish a presence in the area of the world with vast oil deposits. It could then expand its borders to invade and conquer all countries with oil resources. Because the evil, elitist group is small, it would have to take over, surreptitiously, other larger countries and use their military personnel and armaments to accomplish this.

    FACT: The Jews instigated World War I and World War II to transfer Palestine from the hands of the Turks, then the British, into the hands of the Jews, for the establishment of the state of “Israel.”

    7. Use their wealth to buy and control all major media in the developed countries of the world; newspapers, magazines, radio, television, movie studios. They will be used for propaganda purposes, and the control of all “news.”

    FACT: The Jews control ALL the important media in America, the U.K., Australia, Germany, France and virtually every other country in the world.

    8. Pass legislation through the controlled “representative” government to bring ALL schools under central control. Use them as transmission belts for propaganda. Dumb-down the students so they won’t be able to think for themselves.

    FACT: The public schools in the U.S. were set up to be under local control. But legislation was passed to develop a Federal Department of Education – illegally - so ALL schools and ALL teaching programs could be under Federal control.

    9. Promote a LIE of supposed genocide against the group of which the evil elitists are a part. The LIE must be of such magnitude that it can be claimed that this group has suffered more than any group in history, that the crime against this group is so serious that it can never be forgotten, and nations who were supposedly involved in this “crime” against humanity – or who supposedly “stood by and did nothing” - must pay with billions and billions of dollars and be heaped with unimaginable guilt – in perpetuity. It must be repeatedly claimed – ad nauseum – that NO group on the face of the earth has suffered as much as this group.

    FACT: This is the LIE of the “Holocaust.” Even though SIXTY-FIVE MILLION people – the VAST MAJORITY being “Gentiles” - lost their lives in World War II, sacrificed by the vicious, Satanic, elitist, evil Jews, ONLY the 6 million Jews who supposedly died in the supposed “Holocaust” are to be remembered as the epitome of victimization in the history of mankind.
    There should be little, if any, mention made of the 65 MILLION “Gentiles” (mostly Christians) who died!

    10. Then pass laws to make it a CRIME, punishable by huge fines, imprisonment, and eventually punishable by death, to criticize anything that is done by this group. After all, if anyone in this “hallowed” group is criticized, it may “set off yet ANOTHER “Holocaust”!!

    FACT: Laws that make it a crime, punishable by large fines and imprisonment, even to question the orthodox view of the “Holocaust” have been passed in Germany, Canada, Australia, and France, and are soon to be passed in the U.S.

    11. Contrive “false-flag” operations against the population at large, preferably by killing large numbers of children in “terrorist” actions, or in shootings in school buildings, blaming them on the enemies of the evil, elitist groups. Everyone will be happy to give up their rights to obtain safety.

    FACT: Subway shootings, subway bombers, killings in offices, school shootings such as Columbine – by lone-nut gunmen, who often commit suicide after the killings, are becoming common place in the U.S. and the U.K.

    12. Keep the population on edge with supposed threats of “terrorism” from supposed enemies. Every individual, including good and decent patriots of the nation, who questions the “party line” on the “terrorist” activities will be branded as a “traitor” and a potential “terrorist” and can be imprisoned indefinitely without a trial.

    FACT: The Oklahoma Bombing, 9/11, the bombing of a night club in Bali where many U.S. tourists were killed were ALL “false-flag” operations carried out by the U.S. Government that is controlled from behind by the Jews. TV commentators are now stating that if anyone even doubts that the party-line supposed “terrorist” story is untrue, he should be jailed as a “terrorist” as should anyone who believes that these heinous acts were an “inside” government job.

    13. Set up Human Rights Tribunals in which “Truth is NO defense”, eliminate the right to face one’s accuser, to cross-examine one’s accuser, or even to know the charges against you. Make it against the law for any record to be kept of the proceedings, so there will be no possibility of an appeal. Bring all the churches under the government’s control by registering them under the guise that this is necessary for them to receive tax-deductible contributions. Then the churches can preach and teach only what the government allows.

    FACT: Human Rights Tribunals have already been set up in Canada. And when the North American Union combines the U.S., Canada and Mexico in 2010, the U.S. will inherit these treasonous Tribunals.

    14. Gain control of all the textbook writing and publishing so history can be re-written to comport with the propaganda that furthers the goals of the evil, elitist group. Fund this diabolic program by tax-free money in Foundations.

    FACT: The book entitled Foundations, written by Rene Wormser, an assistant to Congressman B. Carroll Reece, chronicles the network of “charitable” Foundations set up by the Jewish elitists to shelter their wealth from taxation, and instead use it to rewrite the textbooks, filling them with propaganda, and control textbook publishing.

    15. Develop government programs that provide retirement, healthcare, aid to children conceived outside of marriage – and their mothers, and other benefits for almost anything imaginable, all paid for by the young and middle- aged workers, programs that will tax the workers unmercifully. Then, when the people are accustomed to the government hand-outs, and have made no preparations for their own retirement, healthcare, or for children conceived outside of marriage, STOP all the government hand-outs, leaving the population destitute and more than willing to give up all their rights in order to have food and shelter.

    FACT: The Social Security Act was passed in the 1930s by Jewish President Franklin Delano Roosevelt as part of the “New Deal” Communist Agenda. AID to Dependent Families with Children was part of the “Great Society” Communist agenda of Jewish president Lyndon B. Johnson in the mid-60s to encourage illegitimacy and dependency on the government. During the presidency of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton attempted to set up Universal “healthcare” for all Americans, again to make the population of the U.S. dependent on the government. Though she was temporarily thwarted in her plans, it will soon be a reality because almost all healthcare is delivered through HMOs. And the elitists are buying up the corporate HMOs, thereby being in a position to CONTROL ALL “healthcare.”

    16.A cohesive group of the same supposed “ethnicity” of the evil elitists must be made to believe that their very lives are at stake, that they have been horribly persecuted – and wrongly so - by the rest of the population of the entire world, particularly by Christians. They must believe that in order to be safe, they must band together in one place – the place that contains most of the world’s oil fields – and be committed to maintaining that location, even at the cost of their lives, to eliminate the possibility of another (supposed) heinous crime (another “Holocaust”?) against them as a group. That way the few evil elitists at the top can live in luxury and splendor in the finest cities in the world, while their deceived lower-level stooges “hold the land” for them, and will be constantly in danger of death.

    FACT: The evil, elitist super-wealthy Jews live in luxury in Paris, New York, London, and other fine cities of the world with high walls and legions of guards protecting them. While the rank and file “little” Jews “hold the land” and put their lives at risk every day. They have been deceived into believing that this is necessary to have a safe place for Jews, so there won’t be another “Holocaust.”

    17. Fraudulently steal a Biblical name, claim it as your own, then claim the Biblical blessings of God for your dastardly acts.

    FACT: The Jews, 90% of whom are Khazars – barbarian, Mongol Turks - with NO semitic, Israelitish blood whatsoever, have claimed to be the descendants of the true Israelites of old (those who worshiped the true God of the Bible, and actually looked forward to Jesus, the Messiah) and therefore have a right to the land of Palestine (which they have fraudulently re-named “Israel”) – because, they say, “God promised the land to them.” They also claim that they are God’s “chosen people” and have distorted the truth of the Bible, demanding that the main goal of the “Christian” church is to “support Israel,” or so says Pastor John Hagee, one of the main gurus of the evangelical “Christians.”

    The “Holocaust” Lie

    So, the question remains, Why and How is the “Holocaust” LIE the centerpiece of the Jewish Communist New World Order?

    Without the “Holocaust” LIE:

    *The elitist Jews could not have demanded that Palestine be given to them so they could have a “place of safety” for Jews, who have supposedly been so terribly persecuted in the supposed “Holocaust.”
    *The elitist Jews could not deceive the rank and file Jews into putting their lives constantly in danger by living in Israel to “secure” Israel as a place of “safety” for Jews, in case of another “Holocaust.”
    *The elitist Jews could not deceive the rank and file Jews into believing that ALL “Gentiles” – particularly Christians - want to kill them, and if anyone says anything bad about the Jews – even if it is true – it will bring on ANOTHER “Holocaust.”
    *The elitist Jews could not keep the rank and file Jews bonded into a cohesive group. If the Jews didn’t believe they have a common enemy – all the REST of the world – that constantly is supposedly plotting to kill them, they would tend to meld into the general population of the country in which they live. Most Jews are not religious, they are atheists. So the thing that holds them together as a group and has become their “identity” – is the “Holocaust.” The “Holocaust” has become their “religion!”
    *The Jews could not demand essentially “religious” status for the conventional view of the “Holocaust.” They could not pass laws prohibiting ANYONE from questioning the official view – and the official number of those who supposedly were killed. Thus, the “Holocaust” – since it cannot be questioned – obtains the status of an undeclared Religion for the whole world! It must be accepted by FAITH! NO questioning is allowed.
    *The Jews would not have been able to demand massive financial reparations from Germany for the “crime” of supposedly genociding the infamous “6 millions Jews,” a “crime” that NEVER occurred. That money was – and is – used to maintain the government of Israel and support the Jewish organizations who are planning to exterminate ALL “Gentiles” and particularly “Gentile” Christians.
    *The Jews would not be able to pass laws from country to country, making any statement against a Jew – EVEN if it is TRUE – a “Hate” crime, because it MIGHT bring about another - - - - - “Holocaust”!
    *The Jews would not be able to pass “Hate Crime” legislation to make it a crime, punishable by imprisonment, a huge fine, or even (eventually) a death sentence, to expose the vast conspiracy of the International Jews in taking over the world.
    *The Jews would not be able to pass “Hate Crime” legislation to make it a crime, punishable by imprisonment, a huge fine, or even (eventually) a death sentence, to expose the putrid filth of the Talmud, the Jews “holiest book” in regard to the Talmud’s condoning of pedophilia, homosexuality, hatred of Christianity, and every other degenerate act imaginable, plus their plan to kill ALL “Gentiles.”
    *The Jews would not be able to pass “Hate Crime” legislation to make it a crime, punishable by imprisonment, a huge fine, or even (eventually) a death sentence, to expose the hatred and bigotry that the Jews hold for every non-Jew – whether it be a Caucasian, a Black, a Hispanic, or an Asian – and their plan to exterminate ALL of us from the face of the earth.
    *The Jews would not be able to pass the legislation to cover up ALL their criminal activities related to debauchery, degeneracy, One World Government control of all populations of the world, and their grab for ALL the resources of every country in the world. Without the “Holocaust” LIE and subsequent “Hate Crime” legislation, all the horrifically evil deeds of the Jews and their International Conspiracy could easily be exposed.
    *The Jews would be in serious danger of being exposed, tortured, and murdered by the enlightened populations of the various countries they have infiltrated and taken over and their Plan to conquer and rule the world would be finished.
    *The Jews would not be able to accuse the Christians of being the source of ALL the persecution of the Jews since the crucifixion of Christ.

    The New Testament states that the Pharisees and their “Jewish” followers were responsible for the death of Christ.
    Therefore, Jews claim that Christians have been the enemies of the Jews since that time, and have wanted to kill them. This provides a presumed “reason” for the Jews to HATE – and attempt to exterminate – Christianity, all Christians, and all knowledge and worship of Jesus Christ, and brand the Bible as Anti-Semitic Hate literature, that must be banished from the world forever.

    Otherwise, they say, there will be another - - - - - - - “Holocaust”!

    How do we KNOW that the “Holocaust” is a LIE?

    1. People Lie! Science doesn’t! “Eye witnesses” are notoriously inaccurate, whether it is regarding an automobile accident, or the supposed “Holocaust.” On the other hand, Forensic evidence, such as fingerprints, footprints, DNA evidence, gun and ammunition evidence, the victims fresh blood on the clothes or hands of the perpetrator – these do NOT lie.
    Yet virtually ALL of the “evidence” for the gas chamber stories of the “Holocaust” has come from Jewish supposed “eye witness” “survivors.” The Holocaust Memorial Museum in Jerusalem admits that at least 50% of all the “eye-witness accounts given by supposed eye witness Holocaust survivors, have been shown to be false. In other words, the eye-witnesses said they had seen things that even Jews now admit NEVER happened. The rest have given eye witness statements about things that the Jews DO believe happened, although Holocaust Revisionists have proved beyond any doubt – with reproducible forensic evidence - that even those things did not happen either.
    2. Stories of murdered Jews in the Concentration Camps being turned into soap and lampshades have been declared a lie even by the Jewish Holocaust historians, themselves.
    3. Stories of Jews in the camps being murdered by mass electrocution, execution steam machines, and Jews being burned alive in open pits, have all been false, and admitted so by the Jewish Holocaust historians.
    4. Stories of mass executions of Jews by gassing at every Concentration Camp run by the Germans have been shown to be false, even by the Jews. Now, the Jews confine their accusations of genocide by gassing to three camps ONLY: Madjanek, Auschwitz main camp, and Auschwitz Birkenau. Yet the evidence proving that all the other camps were NOT execution camps, is not substantially different from the evidence proving there were no gas chambers at these three camps, either.
    But these three camps, Madjanek, Auschwitz main camp, and Auschwitz Birkenau, were liberated at the end of the war not by the U.S., but by the Russians (controlled by the Jewish Bolsheviks), who would not allow any examination of the camps by neutral observers.
    But under the forensic investigation by gas chamber experts, such as Fred Leuchter, Walter Luftl, and physicist Germar Rudolf, absolutely NO EVIDENCE of homicidal gas chambers could be found - even in these three camps. And overwhelming EVIDENCE HAS BEEN FOUND that there were NO homicidal gassings at ANY of the camps, and that there was NO plan by Hitler or any other German leader for genocide of the Jews. A number of these proof documents are from the U.S. government!
    5. The concentration camps contained swimming pools, soccer courts, dance halls, movie theaters, and even a brothel for the inmates. If the inmates were all to be killed, why were these present?
    6. Zyklon B was used as an insecticide to kill the insects that carried Typhus, a serious infectious disease that was causing many deaths, both inside and outside the camps, due to the Allied (including the U.S.) bombings of Germany, destroying all sanitation measures. The Zyklon B was used as an insecticide (like today’s Raid) to protect the inmates from disease – particularly Typhus, that was spread by lice. It is admitted by the Jews that 95% of all the Zyklon B was used for insecticide purposes, and only 5% was used for “genocide.” Why would the Germans use 95% of the Zyklon B to help keep the inmates alive and free of disease, then use the remaining 5% to kill them?
    7. The present Curator of the Auschwitz camp, Francizek Piper, has admitted on videotape that the holes in the ceiling that were purportedly used to throw Zyklon B into the rooms used for “homicidal gas chambers” were added AFTER the war, as was the chimney that is built near to, but NOT even attached to, the supposed “gas chamber” building, a building that was in actuality used as a air raid shelter – to PROTECT the inmates from the Allied bombings!
    8. The figure of 4 million Jews supposedly gassed at Auschwitz has been quietly and officially lowered to 1.5 million by the director of the Auschwitz camp. Even though the plaque memorializing the “victims” has been changed to reflect this decrease, the sacred number of “6 million” Jews supposedly deliberately gassed to death by the Germans never changes. And no mention of this major decrease is made in the commercial media.
    9. There are reliable reports that there were less than 6 million Jews in all of Europe right before World War II, as many had emigrated to other countries. The Jewish organizations admit that 4.5 million Jews SURVIVED the camps – alive - and collected reparations from Germany. That would mean that not more than 1.5 million Jews could have died in the camps, from any cause, including the typhus epidemic, the continuous bombing of Germany by the U.S. and its allies, from “routine” diseases such as heart disease, and even from old age.
    10. The Allied bombings purposely obstructed the shipment of food to Germany and purposely destroyed the sanitation apparatus of the country. As a result of the actions of the Allies – NOT the government of Germany - many Germans outside the camps, as well as Jews inside the camps, died from the Typhus epidemic, from starvation, and from the bombings – ALL caused by the Allies, NOT the German government. There was no scarcity of emaciated dead bodies in Germany. But who can determine that these stacks of emaciated, skeleton-like, dead bodies were Jews – and not Germans?
    11. The lengthy memoirs of Churchill (a Jew), Eisenhower (a Jew), and French President DeGaulle, written shortly after the war, do not mention - even once – homicidal gassings in the concentration camps, a plan by Hitler for genocide of the Jews, or the supposed Jewish “Holocaust.”


    So What Does THIS Have to do with the Bible and End-Times Prophecy?

    When confronted with the subject of the deception involving the supposed “Holocaust,” Christians often respond by saying something like the following:
    1. How could this discussion possibly be necessary for my salvation?
    2. Everybody KNOWS the Germans had gas chambers in the concentration camps.
    3. Everybody KNOWS that Hitler wanted to kill ALL the Jews.
    4. What you are saying is Anti-Semitic!
    5. You better be careful what you are saying.
    6. It doesn’t matter if it was 6 million Jews or 6 Jews, it was still a TERRIBLE crime! The number is not important.
    7. What about all those dead bodies?
    8. What about all those eye witness survivors?
    9. The Jews could NEVER get away with lying about such an important event.
    10. I don’t want to talk about it.
    11. You must NOT say anything bad about the Jews, even if it is true, because the Jews are “God’s chosen people” and God will bless those who bless the Jews and curse those who curse the Jews.
    12. The Jews are God’s “Chosen People” and anything they do, including destruction of the Palestinians, God APPROVES and He will BLESS them.

    This demonstrates the immense power and success of the Jewish propaganda machine throughout the world. People are either apathetic or afraid.
    These responses by the majority of Americans, including American Christians, can easily be refuted by the documentation given in the preceding parts of this study, and confirmed by the Reference list given below.

    The Way, the TRUTH, and the Life
    But God tells us, that as Christians, we must search for, and pursue, TRUTH, wherever it is or wherever it may lead. Jesus identifies Himself as “the TRUTH.” And the ONLY way to God and salvation, is through Jesus Christ – the TRUTH.
    When we find TRUTH, we must declare it from a “high hill” – as a lamp of light – and not put it “under a bushel basket.”
    Jesus tells us that we must “Watch and be ready, for in an hour that you think not, the Son of Man cometh.” Luke 12:40. Jesus promised to tell His true followers – beforehand – the things that would be taking place, so we could KNOW and “be ready” for what is coming.
    The prophecies in Daniel and Revelation are given to us by God, with a special blessing for those who study Revelation. (Revelation 1:3) Without a knowledge of current events, and the ability to identify the Beast Powers of Revelation 13 and 17, it would be impossible to understand End-Time events.
    “To KNOW God, is life eternal.” (John 17:3) God tells us that if we are to have eternal (properly translated – eonian life = meaning the life of God within us) we must KNOW God – and everything about Him that we are capable of knowing, including ALL that is in the Bible, especially the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation.
    We are told in the Bible that the “WHOLE WORLD will be DECEIVED” by the Beast Power. (Revelation 13:3) We are told to be as “wise as the serpent” – we are to know and understand the Devil’s plans. And God has given us all the keys to that understanding, in His Word – if we will only “Search the Scriptures” and “Study to show ourselves approved.”
    Without an understanding of the LIES of the “Holocaust” Hoax, virtually ALL Christians will be completely DECEIVED, as has already happened.
    Without the understanding of the identification of the First Beast of Revelation 13 as being International Jewry, and the Second Beast of Revelation 13 being World-wide Christianity that has completely apostatized and is unknowingly doing the evil work for the First Beast, the Christian world will be totally misled, and will eventually DENY Christ.
    Virtually the whole world has ALREADY taken the Mark (developed the character (charagma in Greek = character) of the Beast. The Evangelical “Christians” have bought the LIE that the “Jews” are God’s “Chosen People” – that they can do NO wrong – and that “Christians” should support them no matter how wicked and murderous they are.
    Most of the remaining denominations believe that the “Beast” power is the Catholic Church. They are completely unaware that the Catholic Church has been infiltrated and taken over by the Jews, something that began occurring in the 13th century. The present Pope is a Jew. The past Pope, John Paul, was a Polish Jew. The head of the Jesuits – the person who REALLY runs the Catholic Church – is a Jew.
    Catholicism is Judaism “dressed up” in “Christian” clothes.

    It is NO coincidence:

    It is no coincidence that both the Rabbis and the Catholic hierarchy wear yarmulkes – or kippahs – the little “beanie” hats.
    It is no coincidence that the services of both Orthodox Judaism and Catholicism are full of pomp and meaningless ritual.
    It is no coincidence that the “clergy” of both groups wear flowing robes.
    It is no coincidence that both religions believe that TRADITION is just as important as the Bible (or even more so). The Jews have their Talmud – a series of books that are totally antagonistic to God’s Word - that make the “Scriptures of God of NONE EFFECT.” And the Catholics have their TRADITIONS, that also disagree with the Bible and make the “Scriptures of God of NONE EFFECT.”
    It is no coincidence that the horrible torture of TRUE Christians by the Catholic Church during the Dark Ages is virtually identical to the torture and murder of German Christians in the Ukraine (by the Jewish Bolsheviks), the torture and murder of Germans (mostly Christians) after World War II by the Jewish-controlled Allies (ordered by U.S. (Jewish) General – and later U.S. President – Eisenhower), the present-day torture and murder of Palestinians by the Jewish/CIA controlled U.S. government, and the torture and murder of Iraqis by the same Jewish (U.S.) controlled illegal detention camps at Abu Ghraib in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
    It is no coincidence that the Catholic Pope claims to be “God on earth” and the Jewish Rabbis also claim to be God, according to the Talmud. In fact, the Talmud says that, “God asks the Rabbis for advice!”
    It is no coincidence that the Catholic Church is covering up hundreds of incidents of homosexuality, child molestation – pedophilia, alcoholism, and sexual abuse and rape of women, including nuns – by Catholic priests and the hierarchy, evidence of TOTAL debauchery and degeneracy in the Catholic Church - - - - and that the Jewish Talmud also CONDONES homosexuality, pedophilia, rape of women (particularly “Gentile” women), incest, and every other type of degeneracy known to man.

    The TWO “religions” are cut from the SAME “cloth.”
    We must not forget that there are many rank and file Catholics who are good people, unaware of the massive filth present in the hierarchy of their church, just as there are some good rank and file “Jews” who would never condone such behavior.

    It is no coincidence that, as stated above, most of the Protestant denominations have, in the past, identified the Catholic Church as the Beast Power – 666 – being totally unaware that they are being taught to look in the WRONG direction – to the Catholic Church - while the Jews and Judaism have come around the back way, entered silently through the back door, and are slowly infiltrating and overtaking the entire Protestant “Christian” Church – from the inside.

    Jewish Zionism IS the First Beast Power of Revelation 13 that will rule the whole world and claim to be God on earth. But the way they are accomplishing that is through the LIE of the “Holocaust.”
    Christian Zionism IS the Second Beast Power of Revelation 13 that will force the whole world to follow after the First Beast (Jewish Zionism), become like the First Beast, and worship the First Beast.
    Yet, virtually the whole “Christian” world is either totally disinterested in studying Revelation, or “Christians” have bought the LIE that the Jews are God’s “Chosen People” or they are looking at the Catholic Church as the ONLY Beast power (when, in reality, the Catholic Church is only a “Christian” Front for the Jewish Zionist Beast Power of Revelation 13.
    Without the knowledge of the REAL “Beast Powers” of Revelation 13 and information about HOW they will take over the entire world, Christians will remain hopelessly in the darkness of total deception. Because of their ignorance, they will also worship the Beast of Revelation 13. The Bible says that the “WHOLE WORLD will follow after the Beast.”

    THAT has happened ALREADY!
    The WHOLE WORLD believes the LIE of the “Holocaust”!
    The LIE of the “Holocaust” is the centerpiece of the New World Order. Without this LIE, there could never be a One World Government!

    For more information on the Beast Powers of Revelation, see “Revelation Studies” in the “Spiritual Truth” section at www.goodnewsaboutgod.com




    The “Holocaust” is a Hoax
    Reference List


    (Jewish) David Cole Interviews the (Jewish) Curator of Auschwitz The David Cole-F. Piper Auschwitz DVD, by the Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659www.ihr.org

    Filmed on location at the Auschwitz camp site in Poland, this stunning DVD by Jewish-American investigator David Cole shows that the “gas chamber” that has been displayed to hundreds of thousands of tourists is actually a propaganda prop. Alicia, an official tour guide at Auschwitz, assures David Cole, on camera, that the “gas chamber” in the main camp that is shown to visitors is in its original, unaltered state. Then Dr. Franciszek Piper, head curator of the Auschwitz State Museum, acknowledges to Cole that this “gas chamber” is actually a postwar creation, and is not original. It was built AFTER the war was over. This DVD also tackles other Holocaust claims, including the “human soap” fable.


    Introduction to the Holocaust
    By Mark Weber www.ihr.org
    This CD gives documentary evidence, including evidence from the U.S. government, that there were no homicidal gassings in any concentration camp controlled by the Germans during World War II, and that there was NO plan by Hitler, or any other German leader, for genocide of the Jews.


    An Eye for an Eye, by John Sack Fourth edition (paperback: revised, updated and illustrated)
Published by John Sack For information write books@johnsacks.com.
    At the end of World War II, the Jewish leaders sought revenge for the supposed “Holocaust.” They set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians – German men, women, children and babies. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered innocent Germans, even though there is NO evidence that even ONE Jew was gassed in ANY concentration camp run by the Germans during World War II.


    The Rudolf Report
    By Germar Rudolf, Translated by Carlos Porter, Michael Humphrey, James Damon, and the author. Theses & Dissertations Press, Imprint of Castle Hill Publishers, Chicago, Illinois, March 2003
    Expert report on chemical and technical aspects of the “Gas Chambers” of Auschwitz. This highly sophisticated analysis proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were NO gassings of ANYONE in Auschwitz or ANY OTHER Concentration Camp in Europe during World War II.
    The author, Germar Rudolf, is now in prison in Germany, for EXPOSING the LIES of the supposed “holocaust.” The Jews are SO afraid of the TRUTH that is being exposed to prove the supposed extermination of the Jews is a LIE, that they have passed laws to eliminate ALL free speech, or free thinking, about the “holocaust.” If you even QUESTION the Jewish version, you are put in prison. THAT is exactly what has happened to Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel, both of whom have published the TRUTH.


    Fred Leuchter: Courageous Defender of Historical Truth by Mark Weber, Institute for Historical Review, PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659
    In 1988, Fred Leuchter, a highly respected engineer and America’s foremost authority on gas chamber technology, was hired by Ernst Zundel, a German-Canadian publisher, to conduct a thorough forensic investigation of the alleged wartime gassing facilities in Poland, including the famous Auschwitz Concentration Camp. Zundel was on trial in Canada for questioning the popularly accepted view of the supposed “Holocaust.” In many countries, including Canada, Australia, Germany and France, it is against the law to question the official version of the “Holocaust.” Heavy fines and/or imprisonment are the penalties for searching after Truth!


    The Luftl Report by Walter Luftl, The Luftl Report: An Austrian Engineer’s Report on the “Gas Chambers” of Auschwitz and Mathausen
    Check the internet.
    In March 1992, a prominent Austrian engineer made headlines when a report he had written about alleged German wartime gas chambers was made public. Luftl, 59, is a court-recognized expert engineer and heads a large engineering firm in Vienna, Austria.
    In his controversial report, “Holocaust: Belief and Facts,” Luftl reveals that the well-known stories of mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers at the wartime camps of Auschwitz and Mauthausen are impossible for technical reasons and because they are incompatible with observable laws of nature.


    Hate Laws: The Holocaust Trial of Ernst Zundel in Canada”
    Their Impact and Consequences on Freedom of Speech in Canada
    It was almost forty years ago that Canada enacted its firs law against supposed “hate propaganda” after sustained and intense lobbying by the Canadian Jewish Congress. Incredibly, no one ever challenged these laws in a court proceeding by actually presenting evidence of the effects of these laws on the freedom of speech of Canadians, and the effect on the democratic process, UNTIL the trial of Ernst Zundel. Zundel was on trial for disagreeing with the “accepted” view of the supposed “Holocaust” during World War II.
    The outcome of this case proves beyond all doubt that the “hate laws” were put in place ONLY to protect the causes of the Zionist Jews and to cover up the massive deception related to the supposed “Holocaust.” This book gives the important excerpts from that trial.


    Is The Diary Of Anne Frank Genuine?, By Robert Faurisson, Published by The Truth At Last, PO Box 1211, Marietta, GA 30061
    Possibly the biggest Hoax ever perpetrated on the population of the world, second only to the supposed “Holocaust” itself, is the Diary of Anne Frank.
    Robert Faurisson, a French literature Professor at the University of Lyon in central France, and an eminent “Holocaust” historian, proves that almost all of the “diary” was written by Anne Frank’s father, Otto Frank. Documentation to support this truth includes the fact, among many others, that the manuscript was written with a ball point pen, the invention of which occurred after the war. Ann Frank died of typhus in March, 1945, before the end of World War II.
    Possibly the one book that is read by more students that any other in America, is the Diary of Ann Frank – a total HOAX!


    A Technical Report on the Execution Gas Chamber
    By Fred Leuchter

    Fred Leuchter, the foremost gas chamber engineer in America, proves beyond all doubt, with documented FORENSIC EVIDENCE, that there were NO execution Gas Chambers in the Auschwitz Concentration Camp during World War II. Graphs, drawings, pictures and data on what is necessary for a functioning gas chamber are given in detail, documenting that NONE of this was present in the supposed “gas chambers” in the Concentration Camps under German control during World War II.


    Eye witnesses CAN – and DO - lie. But Forensics NEVER lie!

    The Auschwitz Lie
by Thies Christophersen, May be out of print. Try the Institute of Historical Review at www.ihr.org
    An unbiased Eyewitness Report on the Real Life in a Concentration Camp. There were NO Gas Chambers.
    Thies Christopherson was the first German to publish a major work proving that the holocaust story was a cold-war era Soviet (Jewish) disinformation hoax created after they occupied the Auschwitz industrial complex in Poland. Published in 1973, it sent shock-waves through the ranks of the holocaust hucksters. Christopherson was born on Jan. 27, 1918. As a lieutenant in the German Army, he was severely wounded in the Battle of France in 1940. Later, as an agricultural expert, he devoted himself to experimental farming. He spent the entire year of 1944 working at Auschwitz on the development of synthetic rubber. This was during the period alleged to be the height of the holocaust. He would later state: “After the war, I heard talk of the massive massacres of Jewish prisoners. I was profoundly stupefied to hear these allegations.”


    The Giant With Feet of Clay, by Jurgen Graf, Available through www.amazon.com
    Possibly the most “revered” author on the orthodox (Jewish) view of the Holocaust is Raul Hilberg who wrote, The Destruction of the European Jews. Author Jurgen Graf in this work, The Giant with Feet of Clay, gives an excellent critique of Hilberg’s work. If the reader will take the effort to examine the sources that Hilberg and Graf use, he will derive, first, a reliable presentation of how the “Holocaust’ allegedly transpired and, second, a perhaps shocking revelation of the shoddy evidence that the legend is base on and, third, a specific important application of a good part of the revisionist scholarship of the past quarter century showing the truth about the “Holocaust” Hoax. The reader will then understand the basis for the title chosen for this book.


    A Special “All-Holocaust” Issue of The Barnes Review
    The Barnes Review, Vol. VII Number 1, January/February 2001
    www.barnesreview.org
    This excellent, special 76-page “All Holocaust” Issue contains extensive documentation, by many different authors about the following:


    Why Hitler Came to Power;
    Were Jews Paid for Their Work in the Camps?
    The Origins of the Concentration Camps;
    Why is the “Holocaust” Important Today?
    Are you Tired of the “Holocaust”?
    Anne Frank was Not “gassed at Auschwitz” and she did NOT write the Diary of Anne Frank;
    The Truth about the “War Crimes Trials”;
    Jewish Leaders Denigrated Holocaust Survivors;
    How Many Really Died at Auschwitz?
    The Birth of the Auschwitz Legend; Is the “Holocaust” a Racket?
    And many other titles.




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    Carol wrote: How are you doing shiloh? Are you happy?

    To seek emotional qualities like 'happiness' or self-assurednesses like 'feeling good in one's mental world' or 'feeling safe with one's own and familial company'; can be said to be a characterizing quality of the human genus.

    Starhumans aka dragons emphasize their search for truth and understanding in the many fields of their endeavours and dragons generally know and understand, that the pursuit of happiness depends on the environment in which this particular form of contentment and benefices are sought for.
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    Ahh, I had wondered.

    For myself I find having/maintaining/experience inner peace transcends desire. One just IS. A unique experience of the cosmos and cosmic consciousness where all knowledge is present if one choses to activate thought and desire to seek. I think I'm currently going through a floating phase. Two near close calls in the past 12 months tended to alter me in surprising ways. I think perhaps, star human or not - the path also is to live in this dimensional world even though we know we are not of this dimensional world.


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    When true Whistleblowers become Disinformation agents of 'Publicity Seduction and Mind Control'
    seduced and manipulated by (Nabs and Oabs) the 'partially' Exposed Global Deceivers (PTB including WB, FR and IMF)

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    Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel. She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rule the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite use a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet. The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.

    Remember, this is not some "conspiracy theorist" that is saying these things. This is a Yale-educated attorney that worked inside the World Bank for more than two decades. The following summary of her credentials comes directly from her website... Karen Hudes studied law at Yale Law School and economics at the University of Amsterdam. She worked in the US Export Import Bank of the US from 1980-1985 and in the Legal Department of the World Bank from 1986-2007. She established the Non Governmental Organization Committee of the International Law Section of the American Bar Association and the Committee on Multilateralism and the Accountability of International Organizations of the American Branch of the International Law Association.

    Today, Hudes is trying very hard to expose the corrupt financial system that the global elite are using to control the wealth of the world. During an interview with the New American, she discussed how we are willingly allowing this group of elitists to totally dominate the resources of the planet...

    Exposing Faux Capitalism
    to the dismay of the Federal Reserve and other faux capitalists



    Joel Skousen’s critique of World Bank whistleblower Karen Hudes


    April 5, 2014 by FauxCapitalist
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    I am reproducing the full text of Joel Skousen’s critique of World Bank whistleblower Karen Hudes in his November 22, 2013 World Affairs Brief (worldaffairsbrief.com) in response to increasingly bold claims by her and corresponding scrutiny of them.

    ANALYZING CLAIMS OF WORLD BANK INSIDER KAREN HUDES
    Karen Hudes worked as a lawyer for the World Bank and claims to be a whistleblower revealing massive corruption at the Bank. Everything she says about the situation there is correct:

    Think of the World Bank as Enron. The World Bank has issued over $180 billion in bonds on the world’s capital markets, but its financial statements are not accurate. The US Congress has been unsuccessful in resolving this problem, first identified by the Joint Economic Committee in 2005. The World Bank stonewalled Senator Lugar’s and Congressman Van Hollen’s four requests for the advice of the executive search firm following my disclosure of internal control lapses during my interview for General Counsel. I have been fulfilling my professional responsibilities as the World Bank’s lawyer to bring the World Bank into compliance.

    But the World Bank did not want to comply, so she became a whistleblower along with several other bank employees like Elaine Coville of Scotland. Together they lobbied Parliament to reign in the World Bank but the political PTB in the US and UK stonewalled and covered up the corruption. The World Bank has hundreds of “directors” giving each of the member countries a tiny say on the Board. But Hudes reveals that many have been blackmailed into going along and not exposing the corruption:
    “I have just returned from Holland, and learned there that Messrs. Wijffels and Melkert [the representatives of the Dutch on the World Bank's Board of Directors] have informed the Dutch public that they were subjected to investigations of their private lives as a form of diplomatic blackmail. According to Mr. Wijffels, other executive directors on the World Bank’s Board have been similarly intimidated.

    Within her area of expertise, Mrs. Hudes is right on target. But like many whistleblowers who start to get a glimpse of the globalist control system, she has begun to make statements claiming to understand the much broader globalist conspiracy and that’s where I have a few problems with her claims. Yes, there is a larger global conspiracy against national sovereignty but many of her extraneous claims are outlandish or invented out of thin air.
    Actually, I read her as very sincere, so I don’t think she is knowingly lying. But often whistleblowers like Hudes start getting “help” from disinformation experts in government who feed whistleblowers like her false information to undermine their credibility. Here’s a brief review of her other claims (my response in brackets):


    1. Financial corruption within the world financial system, and that the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) are two similar corruption international organs controlled by the same private financial powers. [TRUE]

    2. Those that control the international monetary system also control the media, and people are being brainwashed and deceived about what is really going on. [TRUE]

    3. If we could just get one country to expose this, we could turn this around.[FALSE. The PTB have too much control over the high politicians in every Western country, via blackmail mostly.]

    4. 40% of our tax dollars go to UK and 60% to the Vatican [FALSE. Yes, the City of London (a city within London, controlled by the international bankers) and the Vatican bank are deeply involved in this international corruption and collusion, but this claim about the UK and the Vatican having first claim on US tax money is ludicrous. The FED keeps the world financial system afloat with new money, but there is no necessity to collar tax receipts and physically ship them overseas. That’s not how anything works in the dark side of globalism.]

    5. She claims we are financing our government by selling drugs [Partly TRUE. Old information and no longer true to this degree. Yes, the US still runs the largest international drug smuggling operation, in combination with selected cartels, but that money is now a pittance compared to what our government spends and creates through electronic journal entries, outside of congressional supervision.]

    6. She claims the money to UK is war reparations from the 1812 war and that England has to pay off loans the Vatican made in the 1800s to it for war. [FALSE. She’s been reading too many anti-Vatican conspiracy books. My main complaint about many conspiracy books is that the authors claim to know more than anyone could know without being on the inside. And if they are on the inside, then you couldn’t trust what they write anyway.]

    7. Lincoln issued greenbacks directly via the treasury and that’s why he was rubbed out [True that he issued greenbacks directly, but False that this was somehow more virtuous and that the bankers killed him for it. Many conservatives think that using the treasury to issue fiat currency is somehow proper, but it isn’t. Any issuance of fiat currency is evil and a theft of private value. Don’t fall for this one. All currency should be redeemable in a physical commodity and the only role of government is to make sure there is no fraud in money.]

    8. JFK was killed for erasing the interest on the US debt and trying to cut the FED out of the process. Also that “banksters” are trying to keep us in debt and crash the dollar. [The killing of JFK by the dark side of our own government is a massive conspiracy and nobody knows all the reasons. He was trying to reign in the CIA and the FED, but the PTB are NOT trying to crash the dollar or they would have done it long ago. Yes, they want to keep other countries in debt to the World Bank and IMF so they can dictate and control their economic policy, but that isn’t true domestically. The PTB love deficit spending because it keeps government from having to tax people for evil policies and foreign interventions that the public would resist (due to the high price). Continually increasing debt becomes a threat to their system of not taxing the common person—as default will eventually prohibit any more deficits. But, default is at least 15 years away, so they still have time to play this game.]

    9. Board members to the World bank were being blackmailed when they tried to fire Wolfowitz after he gave a huge salary increase to his girlfriend at the bank. [TRUE]

    10. She gets into claims that the PTB are using Maritime law to govern property and marriages and that bonds are being issued for each child born, for collateral and control [Completely FALSE. They have more than enough power and control over Congress and the courts and don’t need such archaic legal mechanisms nowadays. Besides, even if this were true a non-insider working in an administrative legal capacity at the WB would never be privy to this kind of admission.]

    11. We have 49 out of 50 States that have called for a constitutional convention (Con Con) which is the way to take back our Republic and demand our rights. [FALSE on all counts, and constitutional conservatives would never even get appointed by state governors to serve at the convention—they would stack it with establishment legislators and lawyers and we’d be worse off than when we started.]

    12. 170,000 tons of gold in the Bank of Hawaii. The CIA’s purpose is to protect the gold, Vatican controls the CIA. [FALSE and ridiculous. Once again, how could she know this? How do you get from being a lowly admin lawyer at the WB and know all this stuff. It doesn’t come from insider info, but rather from reading too many conspiracy books that are amplifying a few known conspiracy truths and then adding a lot of garbage details to make it appear they have insider knowledge. But there is zero proof nor confirmation of these details.]

    13. Obama’s mother was a CIA agent and Michelle fell into a honey trap [seduced], was compromised in a hotel. [FALSE. There’s plenty of dirt about Obama’s background and non-citizen status, but this claim isn’t credible. It tells me a disinformation agent has got her ear and pumping it full of false claims to get her discredited. The claims about the CIA connection are more true about Obama than with his mother, who was a marxist. Wayne Madsen used a lot of circumstantial connections to say that Obama’s mother Ann Dunham worked “on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation.” The East-West Center had long been affiliated with CIA activities in the Asia-Pacific region, Madsen says, but just because the CIA has at one time or another used these organizations as cover for various agents, doesn’t mean that everyone who ever had any relationship there was also CIA. Bad logic]

    14. On the 8th of October there was supposed to be a nuclear bomb detonated over SC—two army officers made sure it was dropped in the sea where it exploded. Then they were fired. 80 generals and top brass are now being fired. These are people protecting the citizens of the US. [This idiotic rumor continues to grow more and more bizarre each week. It’s all false, as I detailed in the October 18, 2013 WAB. Log into the website to view the archives under “Latest Brief.”]

    In summary, Hudes is not herself a disinformation agent and I believe her to be sincere, but she’s way beyond her pay grade when she starts repeating junk theories that she reads elsewhere or that are fed to her by disinformation sources. She should stick to what she knows first-hand.”

    Not to mention her Nabs infected notion of Homo Capensis aka "Cone Heads" as the 'hominid controllers' of homo sapiens





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    Disclaimer:
    This series from Doug Krieger at { http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/ } is nicely illustrated and contains a factual historical and scriptural synthesis of the subject matter addressed. It so serves as a contrast between the secular and the metaphysical currents of a two to three millennial history of this present planetary civilization.
    It also serves as a stark reminder, as to the gullibility and naivety of Nabsers and 'alternative information disseminators' as how easy it is to be deceived by flashy websites, propaganda masquerading as logical semantic discourses in 'specialist jargon' and of course the youtube presentations of divers motivations and origins and sources regarding the data they are portraying.
    This series so is presented FYI only, but with the intent to provide a necessary background information basis upon which individual 'judgements' and assessments can be made upon a pre-existing information platform.
    However, when Doug Krieger delves into the interpretation of scripture encodings as seen by his particular brand of Christian Theology, personal biases and misinterpretations relative to other 'interpreters' surface, and as can be ascertained in articles on the website, where specific attempts are made to reconcile scriptural codes with verifiable historical events and occurrences.
    To give one example; whilst I agree with most of the dissertation and dissection of the 'New Age' falsification of the scriptural history and encoding patterns, Krieger's claim to include the orthodox Christian Edgar Cayce with the Theosophists, the Urantians and the Arcadian-Ucadian Nabs proponents is in the view of the Caycean legacy unwarranted, false and misleading.
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    THE ANTICHRIST IS NOT
    A JEW, THE POPE, ISLAM OR A JOKE
    (Part I)


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    Grant it, Talmudic Judaism, Roman Catholicism, and Islam—let alone Theosophy’s New Age Krishnamurti or Barbara Aho’s Solomonic Judeo-Freemasonry Merovingian Dynasty Antichrist (i.e., Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair)—all have been suspect in producing earth’s final Apostate. East and West, the Oriental and Occidental, when holding the reigns of power (spiritual and political), vie for the ignoble source of this Despicable One; this Vile Person—whose names are legion throughout Holy Writ. Forgive, but apocalyptic allusions and theological eschatology are rife throughout this tome (especially the first part)—they do justice where justice is due!

    My thesis is straightforward: Sarah, Hagar, Mary or the “New Age Axis of Blavatsky-Aho” are not guilty in producing the Son of Perdition, the Man of Sin, the Lawless One—amongst them all, none will give birth to the Willful King, the Prince of Tyrus and King of Babylon; none will seduce the planet’s unsuspecting by the Prince who is to come—The Coming Prince and Prince of the Covenant.



    For centuries this CSI, crime scene investigation, has been in the making. Indeed, all three of the world’s great monotheistic religions—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam—are found at the scene of the Wicked One’s final revelation—flirting with the “spirit of Antichrist gone out into the world”
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    and caught in some way collaborating with the Second Beast known as the False Prophet—but their presence at the site, though incriminating, does not implicate their enabling and suspicious ways, as the final act of desecration, the Abomination of Desolation, transpires.

    This Satanic transfiguration, wherein Antichrist takes on all the authority, intellect, and deceit of the Father of Lies—through the falsification of the resurrection and incarnation by the Evil One—will be revealed as THE BEAST from the Abyss, demanding uncontested adoration and worship—which none of these religions at their core, though corrupted, will afford! Hence, they will all suffer—though many will be compromised—as the Time of Jacob’s Trouble; the final Reign of Beastly Terror envelopes the inhabitants of the earth.

    Again—listen carefully—this is NOT to say that apostasy and deception collaborate and announce his arrival, providing ecumenical accolades upon his introduction; but, once the religious fanfare subsides, and the False Prophet no longer hides the Beast’s identity, all spiritual pretenses will be terminated; useless, before the Desolator who will command all to behold and reflect his image and so institute the “Worship of the Image of the Beast”—lest they be put to death!

    s profound pronouncements are visions of the Messiah and of the Antimessiahlet antiquity and the revelations disclosed before the foundations of the earth forever speak:

    “I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a younger one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns
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    were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words . . . I watched till thrones were set up, and the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire; a fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. The court was seated, and the books were opened . . . I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away . . . I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed” (Daniel 7:9-14).

    Accuse me not of fixation upon Antichrist alone! He is but an Image observed in the imagination of one, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon—archetype of Antichrist himself, for he was that “head of gold”—the mastermind of the Kingdoms of this World, and, in particular of that civilization and Satanic influence which, when swollen to its fullness, encompasses the whole earth with its vile affection. Suffice! No poetic justice can communicate the evolution of the Great City called “Sodom and Egypt!” Yet, juxtaposed to the climax of Gentile World Powers—under the headship of the ultimate coronation of earth’s final King of Babylon—is “the stone cut out of the mountain without hands . . . it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold” (Daniel 2:45).

    A thousand times NO! We are focused upon the Rock of Ages—the “stone that the builders disallowed—tried, proven” – uncut by human hands – One like unto the Son of Man, the Ancient of Days, Who . . .

    “In the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; IT shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and IT shall stand forever . . . IT broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this . . . the dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure” (Daniel 2:44-45).

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    Here we speak of redeeming love, of the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world—of Messiah the Prince who was “cut off” for our iniquity, upon whom was borne the chastisement of our peace and by whose stripes we are healed! But likewise, we glory in the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, who in eternity past, as the Stone Uncut with human hands, will smash to smithereens the Image who stands for the defiant “kingdoms of this world”—behind whom is the C(K)osmocrater, the god of this world. YES! We rejoice in Him—for “to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him!”

    Alas! Let me disabuse you once and for all—this is not the “ministry of death” but of LIFE! Without the Blessed Hope and the “Glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works” (Titus 2:13) – then, if we do not see Him Who was “slain before the foundations of the earth” – we are of men, most miserable!

    To think that our carnal minds, our decrepit designs, can construe a better future for earth’s masses after ceaseless war, famine, death and destruction nigh six thousand years of recorded history—apart from Divine intervention and Messianic deliverance—demonstrates the preposterous, and illuminates the overweening sense of man’s insane propensity to contrive salvation apart from the Almighty and bespeaks of the serpentine spirit of Antichrist who will epitomize fallen man’s last ditch effort at idolatry! Is there any wonder then that the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet—emphasized from the lips of Jesus (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14)—will commit the final desecration to wit:

    “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (II Thessalonians 2: 4).

    And, rest assured, to think that the above speaks alone of a future Tribulation Temple so desecrated, camouflages the true intent of Scripture—NO, this has in view a far more ominous declaration: THE WORSHIP OF THE BEAST! The personification of evil, in the body or temple of the Antichrist, whose designation as THE BEAST is henceforth declared. He will announce his despicable and final intrusion (which forever has been his unmitigated desire and manifold quest):

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    “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High” (Isaiah 14:12-14).

    of ”upon the White Horse of the Apocalypse.

    THE ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW

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    in particular, Catholic, Protestant, Moslem and even evangelical Premillenariansor a Jew birthed in Syria will be the fullness of the Man of Sin, is well entrenched in the minds and eschatology of Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Protestants of all flavors. This onerous burden has been borne by the diasporic Jew and now by a regatheredintentioned brethren amongst us evangelicals who see the manifestation of His Kingdom here on earth as yet future.

    they are in direct opposition in Biblical typology and eschatology to the False Messiah; though many false christs have plagued their linaget be Jewish!

    Let us take a brief journey into the “Jewish Antichrist” whose ethnic identity led—and still leads—many a Christian and Moslem to curse the Jew through exile, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, holocaust and finally, genocide by
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    At the head of all Zionist conspiracies is a Messianic Jew who will galvanize all Jewish aspirations for economic and political hegemony . . . and, cutting to the chase here: The United States of America, under Neo-Con/Jewish dominance, confirms to the left and right of the political spectrum (throughout the world), that this is precisely what is happening today! The election of an American Jew as President of the USA will, in the eyes of these conspiratorialists, constitute the final Zionist coup état(Cf. Zechariah 12:2)

    But, let us look to the past, in order to understand the convolutions of the anti-Zionist mindset who await an American Jew as the fulfillment of the final Antichrist. In fairness to the flock, I will primarily excoriate (politely) our evangelical brethren because the greater condemnation accrues upon them whose weapon is the Word of God.

    First, the more flamboyant accusers—though well-meaning, they are scarcely original in their thinking:

    Reverend) Jerry Falwell: On January 14, 1999, Jerry Falwell“Christian Jew-Haters”)

    “When I delivered my sermon on the second coming of Jesus Christ last week to a pastors' conference in Kingsport, Tennessee, I conveyed biblically-based truths that I have believed and preached nationally for more than 40 years. In addition to asserting that I personally believe that Christ could return soon, I stated that the Antichrist may possibly be alive on the earth today. Many evangelicals, including Billy Graham and millions of others, believe in the imminent, premillennial,
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    Pretribulational second coming of Jesus Christ for all of His Church. Since Jesus came to the earth the first time 2,000 years ago as a Jewish male, many evangelicals believe the Antichrist will, by necessity, be a Jewish male. This belief is 2,000 years old and has no anti-Semitic roots (My Emphasis). This is simply historic and prophetic orthodox Christian doctrine that many theologians, Christian and non-Christian, have understood for two millennia.” (Ishipress.com)

    Naturally, Jews do not take this lightly . . . speaking of the vehemently pro-Israel Falwell (and this is somewhat old news) . . .

    “Falwell's statement ‘borders on anti-Semitism at best and is anti-Semitic at worst,’ said Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League.” (Ibid., “Jerry Falwell says the AntiChrist is a Jew”)

    Compounding these convictions are numerous evangelical, Catholic and even Islamic critics:
    “‘I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive’ (John 5:43). The Bible does hint that the Antichrist might have a Jewish background. In Dan 11:37 it says ‘Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers.’ Although the verse could mean any deity, the wording strongly matches Jewish heritage of faith in God.” (Rapture Ready: Will the Antichrist be of Jewish Descent)
    The seminal work by the renowned evangelical author and speaker, Arthur W. Pink, in his The Antichrist, A Systematic Study of Satan’s Counterfeit Christ, though brilliant in many respects, unequivocally trumpets this notion throughout the aforementioned to wit:

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    “The Antichrist will be a Jew, though his connections, his governmental position, his sphere of dominion, will by no means confine him to the Israelitish people. It should, however, be pointed out that there is no express declaration of Scripture which says in so many words that this daring Rebel will be ‘a Jew’ (my emphasis); nevertheless, the hints given are so plain, the conclusions which must be drawn from certain statements of Holy Write are so obvious, and the requirements of the case are so inevitable, that we are forced to believe he must be a Jew” (pp. 42-43).

    “So plain?” Pink then goes into elaborate commentary to fit his interpretation. The forcefulness of Pink’s conclusions are buttressed in his Chapter 2 by no less than five biblical references and commentaries (Ezekiel 21:25-27; 28:2-10; Daniel 11:36-37; Matthew 12:43-45; John 5:43;) as well as several deductive reasonings; namely, his title (“The very name ‘Antichrist’ argues strongly his Jewish nationality” – p. 45); and the fact that “This mock Christ will be ‘received’ by Israel” (p. 45).

    The very Scriptures used by Pink in Ezekiel 21:25-27 (Regarding the “profane wicked prince of Israel . . . when iniquity shall have an end”) are directly connected to his exegesis of Daniel 11:22 concerning the Prince of the Covenant wherein the religio-political intrigues of Antiochus IV (Epiphanes—“God Manifest”) who usurps the office of Israel’s High Priest, and de facto assumes the title: Prince of the Covenant—provides us the archetype of Antichrist.

    Pink cannot have it both ways . . . his clear interpretations of Daniel 9:26-27 depict “The Coming Prince” as Roman (i.e., “and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” – accomplished by the Roman legions led by Titus in 70 A.D.); and his commentary on Daniel 11:21-22 simply cannot avoid the Greco personality of one, Antiochus IV, who combines the Israelitish priesthood and the kingship under his usurpation.

    “This is clearly Israel’s last king, ere the King of kings and Lord of lords returns to the earth. He is here termed “the Prince of Israel,” as the true Christ is denominated ‘Messiah the Prince’ in Dan. 9:25 . . . ‘Remove the mitre and take off the crown’ point to his assumption of both priestly and kingly honors. The Heb. Word for ‘miter’ here is in every other passage used of the head-dress of Israel’s high priest! Finally, the statement that his ‘day is come . . . in the time of the iniquity of the end’ establishes, beyond a doubt the identity of this person” (i.e., a Jewish Antichrist, pp. 148-9).

    Then Pink exegetes Daniel 11:21-22 in this manner:

    “‘In his estate shall stand up a vile person . . . he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries,’ This epithet ‘the vile person’ is a manifest antithesis from ‘the Holy One of God.’ This twenty-first verse takes notice of the Man of Sin posing as the Prince of peace. He shall achieve what his antitype, Absalom, tried but failed to do—‘Obtain the kingdom by flatteries.’

    “‘And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the Prince of the covenant’ (v. 22). This ‘Vile Person’ is denominated ‘the Prince of the Covenant,’ which, at once, identifies him with the ‘Prince’ of 9:26, 27. Then we are told in v. 23 ‘And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.’ This ‘league’ or ‘covenant’ is doubtless the seven-years-treaty confirmed with Israel, which is made at an early point in the Antichrist’s career, and which corresponds with the fact that at the first he appears as a ‘little horn,’ the ‘small people’ being the Syrians . . . (Ibid., p. 159).

    The intricacies of Pink’s argument collapse (viz., the Antichrist is Jewish) when the connection between his exegesis of Daniel 9:26-27 and Daniel 11:21-22 is made. Clearly, Pink points out that Sir Robert Anderson’s “The Coming Prince” depicts this “Prince of the Covenant” found in Daniel 11:21-22 (whose archetype is none other than a Greek, Antiochus Epiphanes IV), and Roman, seen in “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary”—i.e., “The Coming Prince”). Pink makes the Antichrist of Daniel 9:26-27 (which he connects with the “Prince of the Covenant” in Daniel 11:21-22) Greco-Roman to the core:

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    “The judgment of God upon the people who were primarily responsible for the ‘cutting off’ of their Messiah was to issue in the destruction of their ‘city and sanctuary’ (9:26). This destruction was to be brought about by the people of a Prince who should subsequently appear, and be himself destroyed. The ‘Prince’ here is the Antichrist, but the Antichrist connected with and at the head of the Roman Empire in its final form. Now we know that it was the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in A.D. 70, but that ‘the Prince’ here does not refer to the one who then headed the Roman armies is clear from the fact that Dan. 9:27 informs us this Prince is to play his part in the yet future seventieth week . . . the fact that we are here told that he causes the sacrifices and the oblation to cease, at once identifies this Prince of the Romans as the Antichrist—cf. 8:11 (My emphasis, Ibid. pp. 156-8).

    Pink implodes! Greco-Roman Man—the head of Western Civilization—is none other than the Antichrist yet future! To surmise otherwise is in plain violation of the archetypes seen in both the “Coming Prince” (the Roman legions under Titus) and the “Prince of the Covenant” (seen in Antiochus Epiphanes IV—a Greek who came out of Syria—so much for the thought of a Syrian-Jew being the Antichrist). Their origins are European—having nothing whatsoever to do with the ethnicity of the Jew! (Please see both of our series on the Antichrist: Antichrist and the Gog-Magog War (an e-book); and, The US-Israel Strategic Alliance (a four-part series) @ The Tribulation Network)

    Again, Pink uses Ezek. 28:2-10 regarding the “the Prince of Tyrus” as a type of the Antichrist—and this is correct; however, his convoluted reasonings are so embarrassing that one must conclude that some prejudice obscured his thinking to proffer these thoughts:

    “There is only one thing that we would now point out from this passage: in v. 10 it is said of him ‘Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised,’ which is a very strong hint that he ought not to die the deaths of the “uncircumcised” because he belonged to the Circumcision!” (Ibid. p. 43).

    To the contrary—Antichrist’s identification with the Prince of Tyrus (Tyre) unveils his Canaanitesh-Phoenician-Punic heritage and the nature of his “Economic Hegemony” in the latter days. What incredible twisting of Holy Writ to surmise the Prince of Tyre bears the mark of the circumcision? He dies the death of the uncircumcised because he is uncircumcised! Pink’s “hint” does not allude to the Jew but to the very Prince and King of Tyre himself! Absolutely and utterly this typology is Gentile. (Cf. Isaiah 23, Ezekiel Chapters 27 and 28)

    In Daniel 11:36-7 Pink, once again, jumps to the conclusion that the expression “The God of his fathers” (i.e., Antichrist in Daniel 11:37: “He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.”) has, according to Pink reference to . . .

    “What are we to understand by this expression? Why, surely, that he is a Jew, an Israelite, and that his fathers after the flesh were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—for such is the invariable meaning of ‘the fathers’ throughout the Old Testament Scriptures.” (Ibid. pp. 43-4)

    First of all, the term “God” in Daniel 11:37 can be translated “gods” – this is further reinforced by both the side margin of the New KJV (Spirit Filled Life Bible, p. 1252) and by the subsequent expression: “nor regard any god.”

    In keeping with the context of the type, Antiochus IV, a Greek, the acknowledgement and worship of the gods (i.e., Greek and Roman “gods”) was the practice of the day. Why would Antichrist share his glory with another? The Image of Nebuchadnezzar had no rivals but the God of the Universe! Pink scrambles antiquity’s history to the extreme. No, the height of idolatry will not be in Zeus nor Jupiter—they shall not share honors with the Antichrist-Beast. The age of tolerance, mutual adoration, respect—even the Pantheons of Greece and Rome—are finished: All Hail Antiochus IV, “God Manifest”! – All Hail Caesar! We have no king but Caesar!

    Additional disclosures of Pink’s illuminate to us the heritage of Antichrist; they are superfluous—enough already.

    Unfortunately, Pink’s convolutions regarding the Jewish identity of Antichrist are widespread amongst Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox Christians . . . for the time being . . . let us imbibe in the more exotic Jewish Antichrist of one, Barbara Aho, and her New-Age Theosophical bud, Helena P. Blavatsky—better known as Madame Blavatsky.

    BARBARA AHO, KING SOLOMON, THE MEROVINGIAN-DYNASTY, PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION AND HER SOLOMONIC ANTICHRIST: Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair

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    Ascribing legitimacy to the notion that the future, yet present-on-the-earth, Antichrist, is somehow linked to King Solomon, The Merovingian Dynasty, The Knights Templar, The Da Vinci Code, Freemasonry and every cockeyed conspiracy this side of Dixie, is one, affectionately exposed by Moriel’s Jacob Prasch—Barbara Aho (a.k.a., Barbara Aho Blavatsky—a rather stark allusion to Theosophy’s mercurial founder, H. P. Blavatsky, better known as Madame Blavatsky).

    It’s difficult to fathom the depths of the conspiratorial mind—as it leaps from conjecture to conjecture in a never-ending spiral of tales fraught with erroneous presuppositions which have been so utterly discredited by history that one stands bemused that roads somehow lead to the perfidious Jew as the ultimate manifestation of Antichrist. And, my, my, those Lost Ten Tribes have been busy populating Europe for centuries! Somehow, these Lost Tribes, along with King Solomon, Judeo-Freemasonry, the Merovingian Dynasty (Hapsburgs included) all come together in the twisted mind of the Helena Blavatskys and Barbara Ahoes of the world—and, why is it not surprising that this Axis of Conspiracy should hold so much in common when both are caught drinking at the cesspool of the infamous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion—a Russian secret service fabrication disseminated in France by none other than Madame Blavatsky herself! (Incidentally, a fabrication held dear by Hitler, Henry Ford, and by today’s Islamic hate groups and the renown Arabic TV series from Egypt—MEM RI, #309)

    Madame Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Societies, witnessed the ignoble beginnings of the Protocols, with her Theosophical friend, Yuliana Glinka in France:

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    “There is no possibility of doubting the date of the forgery or that the Protocols were composed somewhere in France. Their first publication was in St. Petersburg, in Krushevan’s anti-Semitic paper Znamya during August-September 1903 . . . It is probable that the forgery entered Russia with Yuliana Glinka (1884-1918), the daughter of a Russian diplomat who spent her time in Paris and St. Petersburg and was a Theosophist devoted to Madame Blavatsky. It is possible to identify Yuliana Glinka in one of the best known books of the Occult Revival, and when it becomes clear what sort of person she was the historian of the occult at once grows pensive.” (Historian, James Webb, The Occult Establishment, A Library Press Book, Open Court Pub. Co, LaSalle, Ill: 1976, p. 217).

    In sum, the Protocols detail a worldwide Jewish conspiracy for domination and ultimate destruction of the “Goyim” (gentiles). The Protocols’ embrace and subsequent destruction of all things gentile is a testament to the occult links of the Blavatsky-Aho Axis that persists to this day! What Blavatsky unleashed and the Czar-Hitler-Henry Ford et al creeps perpetrated as gospel, has now been repackaged within the evangelical brain of Barbara Aho—a shameless taste for conspiracy theories and a total insensitivity to the suffering of millions!

    “In his popular book Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler conveniently used the Protocols of the (Learned) Elders of Sion to deceptively ‘prove’ that a global conspiracy was afoot - but led by the League of Jewish Rabbis. This stirred massive anti-Semitism that ultimately justified the Holocaust to the German people. Earlier in 1919, the newly formed Thule Society had distributed copies of the controversial Protocols to troops of the White Russian army loyal to the Czar, in an attempt to blame the Jews for the ensuing Revolution. This led to the massacre of 60,000 Jews over two years, and was perhaps the beginning of the Jewish Holocaust. The Rosicrucian (sic. Theosophical) Protocols document is still used by neo-Nazi
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    groups throughout the world to stir anti-Semitism and hate. Even today (U.S.) Republican David Duke promotes these same anti-Semitic theories on his popular website and continues to blame the Russian Revolution on the Jewish people, regardless of the historical oppression of the Russian people that motivated this conflict. The fact that the premier secret organization dedicated to this Second Coming, albeit through a complex and conflicted view of genetic bloodlines and reactionary socio-political models, is the Priory of Sion.” (The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Scam, Yvette Seifert Hirth)

    And this, of course, leads us to the “Evangelical scholarship” of Barbara Aho Blavatsky and her insistence, confirmed by this blatant hoax of a document, that the Priory of Sion embodies the future Antichrist—no doubt a self-hating Jew! At least she’s right out front about her distortions:

    “THESIS: The ancient Sanhedrin believed that King Solomon was the Messiah rather than a type of Christ. This error led them to reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Today, the same false belief will lead many Jews to receive the Antichrist as the reincarnation of Solomon. The counterfeiting of Solomon has been masterminded by the Prieré de Sion and will be carried off by the Merovingian False Christ. The Antichrist will look like Solomon; The Antichrist will conduct his affairs like Solomon; The Antichrist will profess to come from the lineage of Solomon; and The Antichrist will carry out the offices of Solomon.” (Barbara Aho, Watch Unto Prayer – and throughout)

    Aho’s “Thesis” is based on her “Premise” – to wit:

    “King Solomon’s reign was so peaceful and prosperous that he was thought to be the Messiah.”

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    She then goes into a Hitlerian diatribe of proofs by quoting from the Protocols of Zion:

    “When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place” (Protocol 17)

    All this under the title: False Peacemakers – the Merovingian Kings!

    Again, Aho substantiates her thesis:

    “The King of the Jews will be the real Pope of the Universe, the Patriarch of an International Church.” (Protocol 17)

    “When the King of Israel sets upon his sacred head the crown offered him by Europe he will become patriarch of the world.” (Protocol 15)

    From here Aho conjectures:

    It is no different in Jewry today, which aspires to establish a world kingdom under a prosperous and prestigious King Solomon. In the following section (of her cyber catastrophe) are references to International Jewish organizations which, upon investigation, were found to interlock with the House of Rothschild. As well, these powerful organizations are conjoined at the highest levels with Prieuré de Sion. According to more than one author, ‘The Prieuré de Sion – the Elders of Sion also relates to the Rothschilds who are reported to serve on a Jewish council of Elders of Sion… For instance, George Armstrong, The Rothschild Trust, p. 196, ‘That is the present objective of Jeroboam Rothschild and his secret Elders of Zion.’”

    Incidentally, this is the same George Armstrong who in The Rothschild Trust says:
    “The effect of Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s will was to establish the kingdom of the Jews that has since been governed by his male descendants. Wherever a Jew is located, whatever nationality he may claim, he is a subject of this kingdom; his allegiance and duty to it supersedes his allegiance and duty to the country in which he dwells” (George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p.24—Written in 1940 just before 6 million Jews were murdered).
    And, several more gems on George Armstrong, who delights the fancy of Barbara, are as follows:
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    “George Armstrong informs us that at the time of him writing ‘The Rothschild Money Trust’ in 1940, that: ‘The President has dispatched the fleet to the Pacific. This is for the purpose of war with Japan. It can be of no other purpose. If Japan will only torpedo one of these boats, the Jewish Press, the Jewish Radio and the Jewish Cinema will do the rest. The Jewish Admiral Taussig stated to a Congressional Investigating Committee that ‘War with Japan is inevitable, (The Rothschild Money Trust, page 64).

    “He goes on to state that: ‘They ‘bought-off the huge American Jewish Public’ with the promise of Palestine, and with them they bought the powerful metropolitan Jewish press and the Wilson Administration, says George Armstrong, in his The Rothschild Money Trust.” (What Really Happened, Propaganda in the Next War, 1938 with 2001 Forward)

    How the Merovingian Dynasty got involved in all this—and how they persist to this day—is buried in the imagination of Barbara Aho; but never mind . . . she probes the recesses of the intelligentsia :

    “Regardless of their ultimately Jewish descent, the Merovingians were not practicing Jews…the Catholic Gregory of Tours described them as ‘followers of idolatrous practices,’ but the priestly Merovingians were not pagan in any sense of being unenlightened. Their spiritual cult was not dissimilar to that of the Druids, and they were greatly revered as esoteric teachers, judges, faith-healers and clairvoyants.” (Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, 29:167)

    Aho’s research—and, I might hasten to add, the so-called “research” of other self-appointed “Watchman on the Wall” types amongst English-speaking peoples—is not only suspect, but hearkens back to Europe’s darkest days, climaxing in the Holocaust itself! It is the “evangelical flavor” that enflames the passions of her readers to blame the Jew for all the world’s ills:

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    “Yet the Bible presents specific evidence concerning the identities of the Antichrist and False Prophet, the Mark of the Beast, Mystery Babylon the Great and other entities that will be imperative for God’s elect to recognize during the Tribulation Period. For instance, Revelation 13:1, which identifies the Antichrist as the ‘beast that rises out of the sea,’ becomes crystal clear upon discovery that a demonic bloodline that exists today that was originally sired by a mysterious ‘sea beast’ – the Bistea Neptunis. Merovingian authors like Laurence Gardner inform their readers about the demonic bloodline of the Bistea Neptunis in New Age books such as Bloodline of the Holy Grail.” (Barbara Aho)

    Then, if apostasy and deception were not her motif—her alleged strong suit—she commends the New Age for its recognition of the Antichrist:

    “There are compelling reasons for our conviction that the Antichrist will come from the Plantard and Saint-Clair bloodlines. Supporting evidence for this view will be presented throughout this series (I can’t wait—my humble anticipation), as well as information leading to discovery of the identity of the False Prophet, a Merovingian as well (Wouldn’t you know it—humbled once again).”

    Others have observed Aho’s conclusions and summarize her findings:

    “According to Barbara Aho, Rosicrucians and Freemasons, who believe in British Israelism, have a plan to place one of their bloodline on the throne of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. This positioning of a false messiah whom the world will worship as Christ has been carefully planned
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    over many centuries. According to Barry Chamish, ‘there would be no modern state of Israel without British Freemasonry. In the 1860s, the British-Israelite movement was initiated from within Freemasonry. Its goal was to establish a Jewish-Masonic state in the Turkish province of Palestine...Initially, British Jewish Masonic families like the Rothschilds and Montefiores provided the capital to build the infrastructure for the anticipated wave of immigration. However, luring the Jews to Israel was proving difficult. They, simply, liked European life too much to abandon it. So Europe was to be turned into a nightmare for the Jews.’” http://watch.pair.com/brit-israel.html (Conspiracy Planet, Dr. Henry Makow) (http://www.rense.com/general28/brit.htm)

    “We believe that New Agers already know the identity of the False Christ, the False Prophet and various other Tribulation counterfeits through their study of astrology, as interpreted by a large body of occult tradition and the current propaganda proliferating through New Age publications. There is no reason that Christians, given the same information available to New Agers, and aided by a right understanding of Bible prophecy, cannot discern and rightly interpret this end-time enigma. The alternative is to be at the mercy of a massive disinformation campaign that is being conducted within the Christian community by the same New Age network which is planning the destruction of Christianity and return of mankind to paganism.” (Aho’s brilliant comments shrouded in the mysticism of New Age quackery; and no doubt, I’m a part of the “massive disinformation campaign” being conducted within the Christian community planning the destruction of Christianity.)

    Man, I’ve got to be missing something here! On the one hand she places a New Age transparency over the Bible, and on the other hand condemns the New Age Movement intent on the destruction of Christianity—somehow it all makes sense.

    Her finale is just as absurd:

    “Will Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair be revealed as the reincarnation of Horus, i.e., Nimrod, who will at last unite the world under Lucifer?”

    You better stay tuned, or better yet, get some of Blavatsky’s writings and place them side by side with the Bible, along with a handy copy of Protocols as a reference guide; and, why not secure the scholarly works of British Israelites—sick, sick, sick—and all in the Name of the Son of God, no less:

    “Presently there are many ministries that intercede for the United States and for the nations of the world. No informed Christian would deny that evil men have come to power, whose purpose is to overthrow free forms of government and to suppress the Gospel of Jesus Christ. However, few Christians seem to be aware that this same anti-Christ network (yours truly) has infiltrated the Church with a hidden agenda of subverting the true faith and converting believers to their false religious system.” (Barbara Aho
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    Yes, count me in. Why? Because I find it incomprehensible to countenance the anti-Semitic and dangerous nonsense of Barbara Aho who, like a number of Bible-thumping-New Age-Christian Identity-British Israelitish crackpots have the audacity to call themselves “evangelicals” and whose inflammatory “discernment” seeks to “alert the Body of Christ” to heresy, apostasy and deception—while all the while they are awash in the slime pits of conspiratorial hogwash! Following Herbert W. Armstrong’s Ten Lost Tribes around Europe—not only makes you anthropologically dizzy (Note: The “Barkochba rebels of Judah” head for America, post 164 AD, giving America an initial stake in British Israelism’s configuration of nation states who comprise the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel taken captive by the Assyrians in 721 BCE)—it does great disservice to the legitimate evangelical whose subscription to British Israelism’s manifold outcroppings (after the demise of Herbert W. Armstrong’s British Israelitish Financial Empire’s collapse—see Christian Media Research, The House That Herbert Built) leads to confusion and ultimate hatred for the Jew or a desire to “find themselves” as Jews in hopes of replacing or complimenting/complicating (at worst) real Jews (Note: These wanabe-Jews celebrate Jewish “Feast Days” and other customs of observant Jews.)

    Let me conclude my remarks regarding Aho’s conjectures and affirmations relative to British Israelism (i.e., the Anglo-Saxons are the “Ten Lost Tribes of Israel”) by quoting from Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries (with some clarifications interspersed by parentheses):

    “Cyber cultists like Aho . . . with their Ruckmanite and identity movement (British Israelism) leanings can be operationally compared to small time gangsters (Note: Hitler got away with it.). They do not have the organization, crooked lawyers, money-laundering
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    accountants, or power of a professional criminal. This is like what happens when the cyber cultists get access to the Internet. Most cyber cultists have no church membership, do no evangelism, discipleship or anything else biblically ordained as a normal aspect of Christian discipleship. Theirs is mainly a cyber church where, like their paranoid conspiracy theorist counterparts of the secular world, they carry on the latest conjecture and attack anyone not getting on board, once more only revealing their ignorance each step of the way.” (Barbara Aho Alert, Jacob Prasch) (Note: Aho attacked Prasch and Prasch responded @ Email from Jacob Prasch; February 21, 1999 2:02 AM; TO: Richard Engstrom; Tim & Barb Aho; Vicky Dillen; Subject: Aho, ho, ho... Title: “A Brief Response to the Slander of Barbara Aho and Victoria Dillen,” By James Jacob Prasch, Cross + Word Archived Articles, Hebraic Roots Summary Page, found @ IntoTrust.org)

    Rather harsh but well said when you try to follow the rather amazing prattling of this woman. The influence she and other “cyber cultists” have is growing—but so is the Truth of God’s Word, thanks to evangelicals like Prasch, who has no intention on letting “false discernment ministries” run and ruin the evangelical playing field.

    CATHOLIC RENDERINGS OF ANTICHRIST AS A JEW

    Much can and has been said regarding Antichrist throughout history. The Early Church affirmed him as a Roman Prince (Sorry, Jerry Falwell, this business of an Antichrist Jew is not 2,000 years old as you presume—see beginning of article, also Wikipedia on Antichrist); however, after the embrace of Christianity by Constantine, this became an embarrassment; therefore, the Catholic Church placed the mantle of Antichrist upon a Jew. (Please see J. Trachtenberg, The Devil and the Jews, New York; World Pub. House, 1943; Yale University Press, p. 224).

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    Indeed, the idea of a Jewish Antichrist is the creation of the Roman Catholic Church and can be traced back to the Fifth Century A.D. to the writings of one, Jacob of Serug. However, it was not until the 1300’s that this “doctrine” matured under the scholarly hand of Thomas Aquinas; accompanied by Albertus Magnus. Recent Papal clarifications on anti-Semitism within the Church have muted the Church’s teachings on this subject. (Please view “Anti-Semitism in Christian Theology” by Rosemary R. Reuther @ Theology Today)

    As you can ascertain from this barrage, I have laid my greatest volleys at my beloved evangelical brethren—who bare the greater shame in their acceptance and vociferous development of the Antichrist as a Jew, because they have so unwittingly embraced this fallacy. Dr. Falwell—you need to change your convictions—and you need to search the Scriptures to honor the Lord you follow!

    ENLIGHTENED EVANGELICALS

    Notwithstanding—there are brilliant lights among the Premillenarian camp who do not subscribe to Dr. Falwell’s traditional Catholic embrace of the doctrine of the Jew as Antichrist, to wit:
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    “He (Antichrist) is a Gentile since he arises from the sea (Revelation 13:1) and since the sea depicts the Gentile nations (Rev. 17:15), he must be of Gentile origin. He rises from the (legacy) of the Roman Empire, since he is a ruler of the people (civilization) who destroyed Jerusalem (Dan. 9:26). He is to be the head of the last form of gentile world dominion.” (Rev. 13:1) (Dwight Pentecost, Things to Come, p 332).

    Echoing Pentecost’s remarks, the late Dr. John Walvoord, President of Dallas Theological Seminary states:

    “Among conservative scholars, however, two differing identifications of the king of verse 36 are given (i.e., Daniel 11:36). The common identification is that offered by J. N. Darby that the king of Daniel 11:36 is none other than the Antichrist, who is an unregenerate Jew living in Palestine at the end time but in league with the Roman world ruler. Darby, although not emphasizing the racial background of this king, identifies him with the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-10 and with the false prophet of Revelation 13:11-18. A. C. Gaebelein offers the same interpretation with more specific emphasis on the Jewish character of this ruler as a false Messiah acceptable to the Jewish people. The principal support for this point of view is found in the expression of verse 37 ‘neither shall he regard the God of his fathers,’ which is identified as the God of Israel. Further, it is assumed that Jewish people will not accept even a false Messiah unless he is Jewish in background. As an apostate, he disregards his fathers’ God, the hope of the Messiah, and instead honors the Roman world dictator as god.

    “A better identification of the king, the second identification,
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    however, is to relate him to the Roman world ruler, the same individual as the little horn of Daniel 7 and the beast out of the sea of Revelation 13:1-10. Upon careful consideration, the evidence in support of Darby’s identification is seen to be insufficient, and the second view is preferred . . . Those who, like Gaebelein, identify this king as an apostate Jew at the end of the age, are likewise embarrassed as ‘the god of fortresses’ then has to be identified with the Roman world ruler. As Gaebelein states, ‘the one whom he will honor is none other than the first beast, the little horn.’ If this is intended, however, as an identification, it is a strange one and quite different from any other identification of the Roman ruler in Scripture.” (John F. Walvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, Chapter 11)

    We conclude this portion which, in the main, dealt with the Antichrist as a Jew—from Protestant-Evangelical, Catholic and New Age perspectives. Next, we shall consider classical Protestant teachings on the identity of Antichrist; and if space permits, Islamic and New Age versions of Antichrist.

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    ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW, THE POPE, ISLAM, NOR A JOKE
    (Part II)

    By
    Doug Krieger

    A seemingly endless response regarding our initial thrust into the Antichrist is Not a Jew, the Pope, Islam, nor a Joke has ensued since its initial release—a release which has only covered the first proposition: The Antichrist is Not a Jew! I did not have the intention to give further address to The Antichrist is Not a Jew, but had desired to expound upon the accusation heaped upon the Papacy—notwithstanding, the topic, incited by several inquiries (thence, from time to time the “personal tone” of this article), has impressed upon the network, the Jewish Antichrist is all too alive, well, and must be extinguished! We will decipher Islam’s Antichrist; the Antichrist of the Early Church Fathers; the Tribe of Dan as the receptacle or Antichrist; and, President George W. Bush as the Antichrist!

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    ISLAM: ANTICHRIST IS A JEW!

    It’s not surprising that numerous Christian theologians (amongst all branches of Christendom: Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant) affirm the Jewish ethnicity of Antichrist and that Islam across the board declares the Dajjal (i.e., Antichrist) is a Jew:

    “For Muslims, an Antichrist figure called the Dajjal will be a Jew who will lead an all-encompassing war against Islam, which will culminate in the return of Jesus (as a Muslim prophet), the Kaaba, or Sacred Rock in Mecca, transporting itself to Jerusalem, and final judgment in the valley just below the Noble Sanctuary.” (Red Heifer Days—Religion Takes the Lead, Ron Dreher, NRO=National Review Online, April 11, 2002)

    Great detail to the campaign against the final Antichrist (i.e., Dajjal) is given in numerous Islamic teachings (Hadeeths):

    “The Holy Prophet Muhammad(p) has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the day of judgment. Among these, Muhammad(p) has foretold the return of Jesus(p), which will materialize when a one eyed claimant to divinity (Antichrist) will attempt to misguide the humanity into worshipping him. Messiah (Jesus) will descend from the heavens in Damascus, pray behind Imam Mahdi, pursue and kill the Antichrist (Dajjal), destroy the savage and unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, and bring peace and brotherhood to the world. Christians will recognize the truth and accept him only as a Messenger of God; the religion of God (Islam) will justly rule the world.

    “The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Armageddon, World War III, Antichrist, and the Second Coming of Jesus, IslamicWeb.com)

    Meanwhile, and much to Christians’ surprise, Moslems recognize Jesus as the real Messiah to come—of course, the current Zionists will be destroyed, along with the Jewish Antichrist, and Jesus will return to confirm Islam as the superior religion:
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    “Since the Jews fail to accept Jesus (peace be upon him) as the true Messiah, which both Christians and Muslims know to be the truth, the Antichrist will arise as their ‘Messiah’. The shrewd false Messiah will take advantage of the insidious Zionist military expansionist fervor ultimately leading to the downfall of the Zionists.

    “Already Muslims have been mercilessly expelled from Palestine while Zionists in their bloodthirsty lust for land and power are not' satisfied with Palestine. In their arrogance they openly admit that they want all of Syria, all of Lebanon, all of Jordan in addition to Iraq, Iskenderun from Turkey, the Sinai, and the Delta area from Egypt and the upper Hejaz and Najd from Saudi Arabia. Yes, they even want the holy city of Medinah.

    “According to the Hadith No.11 it is very clear that the Antichrist will enter Syria followed by 70,000 armed Zionists to position himself in Damascus. One morning, Jesus (pbuh) will descend in the eastern part of Damascus near a white minaret to begin the holy campaign against the false messiah. The Antichrist will flee towards Israel through the Afiq Pass, but Jesus (pbuh) will overtake him and destroy him at the airfield in Lod just 13 miles south east of Tel-Aviv. The Israelites will be destroyed putting an end to their treacherous community; whereas with the destruction of the Cross, all the religious communities will merge into the single community of Islam.” (The Downfall of Zionists and Israel, www.islamicweb.com

    EARLY CHURCH FATHERS AND THE ANTICHRIST AS A JEW

    Some serious concerns and persistent questions—questions which commentators have sought to discern for many generations—have been raised by a number of brethren . . . a sampling will suffice; and, from here we will expand upon these inquiries . . . here, I address a number of these inquiries, person-to-person:



    (1)
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    The tractate written by Hippolytus (170-236 A.D.), Bishop of Portus (and/or Rome; i.e., Portus Romanus, 15 miles north of Rome), establishes the futurity of Daniel’s 70th week (and, I hasten to add, in its entirety). His spiritual lineage, as you clearly presented, extends back through Irenaeus, to Polycarp, to John and, of course to Jesus; thence, when Hippolytus, not only affirms Daniel’s futurity, does he not present the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 as the two prophets Enoch and Elias? And, if so, why do we here at The Tribulation Network neglect this interpretation by this same Hippolytus who substantiates our interpretation of the futurity of Daniel’s 70th Week but instead embrace the “corporate interpretation” (and, I hasten to add, somewhat “cosmic” interpretation) that these Two Prophets are none other than Israel (Revelation 7) and the Church (Revelation 14)? Likewise, it appears that we may be a bit “picky” here and take what confirms our thesis and reject what does not.

    (2) Hippolytus in his same tractate on the Antichrist adjudges that the origins of the Man of Sin hail from the tribe of Dan, and, ipso facto, he must be a Jew, not a Gentile.

    (3) It appears in our writings that we have strongly alluded to the Antichrist’s title as “Prince of the Covenant” to be none other than President George W. Bush . . . but, since he is out of office by 2008, how can that be, since the 7-year treaty with “death and hell” (i.e., between Israel and Antichrist) has not officially commenced as of this reply, etc.

    THE TWO WITNESSES: ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH

    First of all, at the time of the writing of Hippolytus, the “de-Jewdification” of the Gentile-branch of the Church was in full swing. The time of “transition” from the “Jewish Church” to a predominantly “Gentile Church” expression was nigh complete; however, not in toto. Likewise, and, as I am sure you are keenly aware, the Church for many years after the Ascension was considered by the Roman authorities as naught but a sect among the Jews.

    Paul’s vociferous, and mainly successful attempts to separate the grace of God from the “Jews’ religion” (Galatians 1:13-14), is legendary—likewise, is Paul’s own capitulations to the same (Acts 21:15-26)—notwithstanding . . . “the Lord stood by him and said, ‘Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome.’” (Acts 23:11)

    Furthermore, even the Jews throughout the world considered the early Church a sect of their own (such a conjecture has historical justification; cf. Acts 26:5 in ref. to “sect”): “For we have found this man (Paul) a plague, a creator of dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes” (Tertullus – Acts 24:5).

    Now, I bring out these Judeo-Christian tensions for good reason—by 200 A.D. the cleavage between Israel and the Church was pronounced. All things “Jewish” were either dropped (including dance, feast days, etc.) or subtly incorporated into Church practice; appropriated as “original Church practice” and having little to do with the Jews’ religion.

    The entire concept that somehow at the close of the age these two (the two olive trees—Israel; and the two lampstands—the Church) could, from the “divine perspective,” constitute a prophetic fulfillment and witness, leading to a direct confrontation with the Beast from the Abyss (so revealed) in the midst of Daniel’s 70th Week, was the most remote notion from any of these early Church Fathers.

    I will not belabor our conclusions as to the “corporate nature” of these Two Prophets (our many writings on this subject present a relatively clear presentation of the same)—which conclusions are, as far as our analysis is concerned—overwhelming, in light of the full thrust of the Scripture and of the divine intention throughout the ages.

    Am I saying that somehow these early Church fathers—aside from the terminologies of the Beloved John—are misled in not believing the corporate nature of these witnesses and that their insights into such were skewed by the “great transition” of the early Church from Law to Grace? In sum: Yes!

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    Given the horrific tensions between the Jew and the Gentile—and of the initial Jewish harassments (though many a Jewish historical revisionist would is wont to revise such histories) toward Gentile believers; which harassments persisted nigh through 600 A.D. (Persecution of Christians by Jews, Wickipedia)—the theological notion that Jews and Christians could assemble under any theological pretense a united witness was altogether impossible, nigh ludicrous. By the time that Gentile preponderance had overtaken the supremacy of the Church’s Jewish branch; all thought of such a duality of witness (and, most definitely insofar as the 70th Week of Daniel was concerned) had vanished from any eschatological schematic.

    So . . . was Hippolytus’ prophetic conjecture regarding Enoch and Elias as the two prophets of Revelation 11 prejudiced by his own historic encounter with Jews? I would have to conclude with a resounding: ABSOLUTELY! Hippolytus, however, was formidable in his eschatological insight:

    “39. Thus, then, does the prophet (Daniel) set forth these things concerning the Antichrist, who shall be shameless, a war-maker, and despot, who, exalting himself above all kings and above every god, shall build the city of Jerusalem, and restore the sanctuary. Him the impious will worship as God, and will bend to him the knee, thinking him to be the Christ. He shall cut off the two witnesses and forerunners of Christ, who proclaim His glorious kingdom from heaven, as it is said: ‘And I will give (power) unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.’

    193 As also it was announced to Daniel: ‘And one week shall confirm a covenant with many; and in the midst of the week it shall be that the sacrifice and oblation shall be removed’-that the one week might be shown to be divided into two. The two witnesses, then, shall preach three years and a half; and Antichrist shall make war upon the saints during the test (sic? “rest” or “remainder”) of the week (i.e., the last three-and-one-half-years, editor’s note), and desolate the world, that what is written may be fulfilled: ‘And they shall make the abomination of desolation for a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’” (The interpretation by Hippolytus, (bishop) of Rome, of the visions of Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar, taken in conjunction. 157)

    Today’s “Valley of Dry Bones” (i.e., the ingathering of the exiles) does NOT circumvent the Divine Intention in calling forth these two in the midst of apostasy (the Church) and unbelief (Israel). It does mean, however, that the undertaking will be assuredly supernatural and divinely initiated!

    Now, relative to the “pick and pull” methodology in calibrating our defense of the Two Witnesses and neglecting Bishop Hippolytus’ surmisings that the Two Prophets/Witnesses are Enoch and Elias—No, this is not disingenuous on our part. There are scores of brethren amongst the Pretribulationists with whom I have had, and continue to have, a most ardent fellowship, and/or I deeply appreciate as ministers of the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ—however, I disagree with them on the so-called pre-tribulational rapture of the Church; which eschatology I reject outright—both from a biblical sense, as well as from a socio-political motif.

    I beg to differ with them on these, what I feel, are salient points of eschatology—and sincerely affirm that if they could be persuaded otherwise, then would the Church’s vision of these Last Days be wholly liberated and in tune with the divine purpose concerning the Testimony of Jesus in the End of Days. Furthermore (and as I was constrained by the Holy Spirit to affirm these prophetic insights regarding a post-tribulational testimony of the Church) such a position sensitizes the Church to major elements of the final apostasy and prepares us all both now and for the immediate trial of our faith.
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    I am convinced, however, that the immediate Evangelical-Zionist alliance is both a blessing and curse. A blessing because it concerns a vibrant discussion and communication (on-going) between these distinctives; but a curse, in that the Church militant has, through a plethora of socio-political events found herself taken to the “sword” juxtaposed to the “sheath” and has become the battering-ram for all manner of this Administration’s agenda; and, in sum, formed a virtual trident in the hand of the enemy of our souls: Oil, Christianity, and Debt!

    Again, Dr. Vernon McGee (Through the Bible), Dr. John Walvoord (Dallas Theological Seminary), and even E. G. White (Seventh-Day Adventists) constitute great and amazing insight into the prophetic Scriptures—but not all their prognostications are wholly inspired; neither are mine. We see through a glass darkly. That having said, we are convinced that as Sir Isaac Newton and many historicists realized, history was not neglected in the prophetic Scriptures—furthermore, keen awareness would accelerate at the close of this age!

    These noble brethren sought to bring relevance and “capacity” to bear upon the Word’s immediate comfort to the brethren—I do not fault them for this; however, the futurists/Premillenarians’ synthesis of Scriptures relative to the prophetic is far more cohesive and provides much, in every way, the crest of the eschatological wave upon which to surf! To my Preterist brethren (i.e., virtually all prophecy was fulfilled by 70 A.D. and most assuredly by 100 A.D.) I can only ponder how on earth they can sustain their flimsy convolutions.

    I would end this first inquiry to say that the “need to know” is paramount relative to this topic of eschatology. “‘My lord, what shall be the end of these things?’ And he said, ‘Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.’” (Daniel 12:8b-9a). And, how fitting that at the conclusion of the book of Daniel that there are “Two Others” . . . “one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank” who declare the precise time frame of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11, to wit: “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?” . . . “it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.” (Daniel 12:5-7) . . . “And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth” (Revelation 11:3) . . . And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt (for) three-and-a-half days (“outside the camp . . . the world/kosmos; Babylon the Great”) . . . Now after the three-and-a-half days, the breath of life from God entered them” (Revelation 11:8, 11).

    I simply insert that here, Bishop Hippolytus informs us, these two on the riverbank constitute the “Law and the Prophets” to wit: “42. Who, then, were the two men who stood on the bank of the river, but the law and the prophets?” (Fragments of Hippolytus)—I do not concur with Bishop Hippolytus on this score for, again, juxtaposed to the entire thrust of Scripture, such an interpretation of the identity of these Two Witnesses is in counter distinction, not only to the final eschatological drama, but is countermand to the preponderance of Biblical truth.

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    Finally, your review of our writings relative to the Two Witnesses as seen in the following would be helpful: The Two Witnesses: Israel and the Church; and the entire Section II (Israel and the Church) of Unsealing the End of Days, the Visions and Prophecy of Zechariah. It is here that the presentation of Israel (Revelation 7) and the Church (Revelation 14) as the “two sets of 144,000” are expounded upon and their ultimate conclusion as the New Jerusalem (144-cubit wall in Revelation 21:17).

    ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW—FROM THE TRIBE OF DAN!

    Your second inquiry regarding the Jewish ethnicity of Antichrist stems from the comments made, again, by Hippolytus. The initiation of Antichrist as a Jew does not have its origins in Hippolytus, but in Irenaeus, who preceded Bishop Hippolytus:

    “...there are those who definitely believe that Antichrist will be a Jew. In tracing the rise of this view one finds that Irenaeus of the second century seems to be the first to teach it. He based his view upon the following points: (1) The name Antichrist is Jewish. (2) Daniel wrote these words about Antichrist: ‘Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers’ (Dan 11:37). (3) He is from the tribe of Dan since this tribe is among the missing of those mentioned in Revelation 7:4-8. (4) To be parallel to Christ he must come from Israel...There is just not enough abundant Scripture for anyone to be dogmatic on whether Antichrist will be Jewish or not.” (www.philogos.org, Antichrist) (My emphasis.)

    Again, Hippolytus begs to differ with us insofar as the ethnic origins of the final Antichrist: THE Antichrist. The precise writings of Hippolytus cannot be ignored as the foremost reinforcement of Irenaeus’ convictions—convictions repeated throughout the Church Age—through to the present!

    “6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem . . . .
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    “15. That it is in reality out of the tribe of Dan, then, that that tyrant and king, that dread judge, that son of the devil, is destined to spring and arise, the prophet testifies when he says, ‘Dan shall judge his people, as (he is) also one tribe in Israel.’ But some one may say that this refers to Samson, who sprang from the tribe of Dan, and judged the people twenty years. Well, the prophecy had its partial fulfillment in Samson, but its complete fulfillment is reserved for Antichrist. For Jeremiah also speaks to this effect: ‘From Dan we are to hear the sound of the swiftness of his horses: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing, of the driving of his horses.’ And another prophet says: ‘He shall gather together all his strength, from the east even to the west. They whom he calls, and they whom he calls not, shall go with him. He shall make the sea white with the sails of his ships, and the plain black with the shields of his armaments. And whosoever shall oppose him in war shall fall by the sword.’ That these things, then, are said of no one else but that tyrant, and shameless one, and adversary of God, we shall show in what follows.” (St. Hippolytus, Treatise on Christ and the Antichrist, End Times Prophecy, A Catholic Perspective)

    It is evident that the Orthodox, in no uncertain declaration, commit Antichrist to the Tribe of Dan; and, ipso facto, is a Jew:

    “That Antichrist will come from the tribe of Dan is evident from the following:

    “Dan’s name is excepted from the tribes listed in Rev:7 as being the tribes sealed in their foreheads as the servants of God.

    “The tribe of Dan also introduced image worship in the Old Testament Church. Another prophetic Scripture which had its partial fulfillments in Samson who sprang from Dan and judged the people for twenty years, but will find its complete fulfillment in the Antichrist, is that which Jacob said in Genesis xlix:16: ‘Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.’ ‘Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.’ Gen xlix:17

    “From Dan we are to hear the sound of the swiftness of his horses: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing, of the driving of his horses." Jer. viii: 16” (Holy Virgin Mary Church in Los Angeles, www.theotokos.org, copywrite, 1998)

    But, our beloved Orthodox brethren take their queue from Hippolytus himself:

    “We find it written regarding Antichrist . . . ‘Dan is a lion's whelp, and he shall leap from Bashan’ [Deut. 33:22]. But that no one may err by supposing that this is said of the Savior, let him attend carefully to the matter. Dan, he says, is a lion's whelp. And in naming the tribe of Dan, he declared clearly the tribe from which Antichrist is destined to spring. For as Christ springs from the tribe of Judah, so Antichrist is to spring from the tribe of Dan. And that the case stands thus, we see also from the words of Jacob: ‘Let Dan be a serpent, lying upon the ground, biting the horse's heel’ [Gen. 49:17]. What then is meant by the serpent but Antichrist, that deceiver who is mentioned in Genesis [Gen. 3:1], who deceived Eve and supplanted Adam? . . . It is in reality out of the tribe of Dan, then, that tyrant and king, that dread judge, that son of the devil, is destined to spring and arise (ibid., 14).

    “Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these [Jews] he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. . . And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem and will restore it again speedily and give it over to the Jews (Discourse on the End of the World 23-25 [A.D. 217]).” (Catholic Culture on the Antichrist by Hippolytus)

    The Roman Catholics, in denying that they (the Roman Catholics) are the Synagogue of Satan, loudly proclaim in the aforementioned piece in response to Luther’s proclamations that the Vatican is the Antichrist:

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    “To make the prophecies of the Antichrist fit the pope, some even claimed that ‘the temple of God’ in which the Antichrist pretends to be God (2 Thess. 2:4) is the Vatican. The Fathers of the Church would never have agreed. They showed the temple to be the Jewish temple, rebuilt by the Antichrist in Jerusalem. Rather than the bishop of Rome, the early Fathers identified the Antichrist as a government official--a king coming to power in the ruins of the Roman Empire. He would probably be Jewish, possibly from the tribe of Dan. And most importantly, rather than claiming like the pope to be the vicar or emissary of Jesus Christ, he would claim that Jesus was not the Christ but that he was instead. He would then seduce many of the Jewish people by attempting to fulfill the political aspirations they held for the Messiah.” (My Emphasis) (Ibid., Catholic Culture)

    BARBARA AHO’S MORIVINGIAN ANTICHRIST FROM THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN

    Again, it is impossible to expound upon this topic without confronting the works of one, Barbara Aho, of Watch Unto Prayer Ministries—note how the British Israelism seeps through these writings:

    “Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist. In the context of these prophecies, Samson's riddle may be a prophecy that the descendants of the tribe of Dan will one day try to destroy the tribe of Judah in jealous revenge for God’s judgment on their idolatry. From the carcass of the young lion [Judaism] the tribe of Dan [typified by the bees] will attempt to produce a golden age [symbolized by honey]. To suggest that the Antichrist will be a Jew is likely to incur accusations of ‘anti-Semitism’ from those who would like to conceal this fact. However, we believe that the Biblical admonition to bless the descendants of Abraham includes exposing the identity of the man of sin who will lead many Jews to their destruction.

    The Merovingians, who plan to rule the world from their future throne at Jerusalem, claim to come from the tribe of Judah through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. However, the weight of evidence indicates that they descended from the tribe of Dan. Although Scripture states that Samson was ‘of the family of the Danites’ [Judges 13:2], Yair Davidy of Brit-Am Israel claims that his lineage includes the Messianic tribe of Judah: ‘Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. Samson, in some respects, was considered a forerunner of the Messiah who will come from Judah but his mother, according to the Midrash will be of the Tribe of Dan.’ [Brit-Am Israel newsletter, 2/9/99]

    “It is through the agency of the ultra-Orthodox Lubavitch Movement that the Gentiles are being prepared to submit to the Noahide Laws under a restored Sanhedrin. Yair Davidy posits, ‘The name DAN means “judge” in Hebrew. Many lawyers and judges in the USA are of Irish descent of a particular type as is much of the police force . . . Descendants of Dan today appear to be concentrated in Ireland, Britain, the USA, and especially Denmark.’ [Ibid.]

    “Merovingians are also found leading pseudo-Christian organizations as many profiles in the Council for National Policy and Discernment Ministries reveal. These Merovingian agents actively promote the Hebrew Roots / Messianic Movement as the catalyst for Judaizing Christians.

    “The following paper is meant to serve as a study guide for understanding the enigmatic design of Satan to use the apostate tribe of Dan as an instrument and cover for a false messiah. The reader will be able to review the many Scriptures which concern the tribe of Dan -- the prophecies, the Danite people, their land, history, idolatry and symbols -- in conjunction with relevant information from other sources.” (Barbara Aho’s Watch Unto Prayer, www.watch.pair.com by Janet Moser, THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN, The Early Jewish and Christian View of the Identity of The Antichrist).

    The train of Christians, past and present, who ascribe credibility to the “Tribe of Dan theory” and to the Jewish identity of the future Antichrist, cannot be surpassed by the elaborate renditions of Arthur W. Pink, who, interestingly enough is a bit tepid relative to Dan’s connection to a Jewish Antichrist:

    “But if this pseudo Christ succeeds in palming himself off on the Jews as their true Messiah he must be a Jew, for it is unthinkable that they would be deceived by any Gentile . . . it was the common belief among Christians during the first four centuries A.D., that the Antichrist would come from the tribe of Dan. Whether this will be the case or no, we do not know. Gen. 49:17,18 may have ultimate reference to this Son of Perdition. Certainly Dan is the most mysterious of all the twelve tribes.” (Arthur W. Pink, THE ANTICHRIST, Chapter 3, The Person of the Antichrist, www.greywolf.com)

    Finally, after an exhaustive discourse on the Antichrist and of his aforementioned connections to the Tribe of Dan, initially propounded by Irenaeus until the present, the Pre-Trib Research of Dr. Daniel Ice simply reaffirms the conclusions of the late Dr. John Walvoord of Dallas Theological Seminary to wit:

    “While I think it may be possible that the False Prophet (Rev. 13:11- 18; 16:13; 19:20; 20:10) could be a Jew (I am not saying that I necessarily think he will be), there does not appear to be any Scriptural grounds to think that the Antichrist will be of the tribe of Dan nor of Jewish descent. It appears that he will be a Gentile and will arise from within the Revived Roman Empire. In the middle of the tribulation he will take his seat in Israel' s rebuilt Temple and claim to be God Himself (2 Thess. 2:4). His career will be a short-lived seven-year period for which he will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire upon Christ' s return to planet earth (Rev. 19:20; 20:10).” (The Ethnicity of the Antichrist, Dr. Thomas Ice) (My emphasis.)

    DAN, THE TOILETBOWL OF APOSTASY & SALVATION!

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    There is, most assuredly, a great deal of Biblical smoke surrounding Dan—but no fire of the final Antichrist!

    The conjectures are simply too flimsy to implicate the tribe of Dan as the ethnic launching pad of the Man of Sin. However, Dan’s accusers have it right in adjudging the tribe’s exposure to the Canaanites, Phoenicians, and the ultimate heresy of Queen Jezebel and King Ahab.

    Our article on this early manifestation of blatant heresy—the mixing of the Jewish religion with the Canaanites via the introduction of the fertility gods of the ancient Phoenician-Canaanites of Tyre and Sidon is so overwhelming, that any Middle Eastern historian would be utterly remiss to deny these heretical incursions from the north into Israel.

    Our articles on the Shrine of Micah, and our five-part series on “The Apostasy Comes First” make a formidable case that the Tribe of Dan was fully engaged from the outset relative to mingling the religion of Yahweh with that of the Canaanites.

    However, having implicated the Tribe of Dan, and knowing full well of its absence from the initial Israelitish role call as seen in Revelation 7:5-8, we are, nevertheless, loathe to connect these dots of apostasy to the ultimate Antichrist. It can be argued, just as well or better, that Dan’s absence from Revelation 7 is naught but the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in demonstrating the divine antagonism toward apostasy in the apocalypse (cf. Revelation 2:12-29 and the Spirit’s outrage towards apostasy in the early Church).

    The “names of the twelve tribes of Israel” are not designated by tribal name upon the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21:12-13. Furthermore—and, I firmly believe—in confirmation of the Almighty’s transforming power, Dan’s allotment in Ezekiel’s Vision of the Restoration of the Land (Ezekiel 47:13 – 48:29) not only include a portion for the Tribe of Dan—BUT COMMIT DAN’S ALLOTMENT TO DAN’S CAPTURE OF THE NORTHERMOST PORTION OF THE GOOD LAND!

    It appears as if the Almighty is literally awarding Dan for his disobedience! To the contrary, the Lord delights in His children and, though He abhors apostasy, He forgives and is true to His own promises:

    “Now these are the names of the tribes: From the northern border along the road to Hethlon at the entrance of Hamath, to Hazar Enan, the border of Damascus northward, in the direction of Hamath, there shall be one section for Dan from its east to its west side; by the border of Dan, from the east side to the west, one section for Asher, etc.” (Ezekiel 48:1-2).

    What is even more remarkable in reference to the “Gates of the City” and its strong allusions to that of the New Jerusalem, the City of the Millenarian Jerusalem as seen in Ezekiel's prophetic vision declares the following:

    “These are the exits of the city. On the north side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits (the gates of the city shall be named after the tribes of Israel), the three gates northward: one gate for Reuben, one gate for Judah, and one gate for Levi; on the east side, four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates; one gate for Joseph, one gate for Benjamin, and one gate for Dan; on the south side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Simeon, one gate for Issachar, and one gate for Zebulun; on the west side, four thousand five hundred cubits with their three gates: one gate for Gad, one gate for Asher, and one gate for Naphtali . . . All the way around shall be eighteen thousand cubits; and the name of the city from that day shall be: THE LORD IS THERE” (Ezekiel 48:30-35—Note: The Conclusion of Ezekiel’s Visions of God).

    It will be noted that Dan’s logistics are to the EAST—from whence the “glory” arises—our space does not permit the significance of this direction—suffice it to say, it is exceedingly significant in typology. It was from the east that the glory departed from the House of the Lord during Ezekiel’s accounting (the Mount of Olives; Ezk. 11:23); and it will be upon the Mount of Olives (to the east of the Temple Mount) that the Messiah shall stand (Acts 1:11-12).

    Again, the accounting of the names found in Ezekiel 48/Revelation 7 are:


    GENESIS 48​

    EZEKIEL-1st Mention-Ch 48​

    REVELATION vs. EZK.​

    REVELATION-1st Mention (Ch. 7)​

    Reuben​

    Reuben​

    Reuben​

    Judah​

    Simeon​

    Judah​

    Judah​

    Reuben​

    Levi​

    Levi​

    Levi​

    Gad​

    Judah​

    Joseph​

    Joseph​

    Asher​

    Zebulun​

    Benjamin​

    Benjamin​

    Naphtali​

    Issachar​

    Dan​


    Manasseh​

    Dan​

    Simeon​

    Simeon​

    Simeon​

    Gad​

    Issachar​

    Issachar​

    Levi​

    Asher​

    Zebulun​

    Zebulun​

    Issachar​

    Naphtali​

    Gad​

    Gad​

    Zebulun​

    Joseph​

    Asher​

    Asher​

    Joseph​

    Benjamin​

    Naphtali​

    Naphtali​

    Benjamin​



    Manasseh​

    A number of observations can be made from these configurations:

    Neither one of the two sons of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) are mentioned in Ezekiel; however, to declare the persistence of the divine promise the 12 Tribes of Israel (Jacob) are given a prophetic blessing in Genesis 49 by Israel (Jacob)—these same 12 Tribes reoccur in Millenarian bliss in Ezekiel 48!

    Next, Revelation excludes both the Tribe of Dan and the Tribe of Ephraim, while including Manasseh.

    It can be argued that the absence of BOTH these tribes in the Revelation is a clear expression of the Almighty’s abhorrence to (a) Apostasy—Dan; and (b) Ephraim—The Shrine of Micah; the original source of Dan’s demise and/or the Ten Tribes of Israel and their false center of worship juxtaposed to Jerusalem as the true religious capitol of Judah-Israel.

    Both Dan and Ephraim are omitted from the Twelve Tribes of Israel in Revelation 7 because, I affirm, we must understand the prophetic consternation toward apostasy and false religious practice—as well as disunity.

    Let it be conclusively argued that they who concentrate upon a Jewish Antichrist are careful to omit, not only portions from Ezekiel 48, but Israel’s (Jacob’s) final prophetic pronouncement upon his son, Dan:

    “I have waited for your salvation, O Lord!” (Genesis 49:18)

    This is the final fulfillment of the prophecy upon the Tribe of Dan!

    Yes, it is that “Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel (and that) Dan shall be a serpent by the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider shall fall backward . . . but: I HAVE WAITED FOR YOUR SALVATION, O LORD!” (Genesis 49:16-18).

    Not only is this not a prototype of the Antichrist as a Jew: This is an absolute fulfillment of the faithfulness of the Almighty to Jacob!

    The God Who keeps covenant will not be thwarted in His eternal plan and purpose for the ages.

    Unless one embraces universal salvation—even for the Antichrist—one cannot use the picture of Dan and then witness his salvation!

    No, the Gates of Ezekiel echo with the Gates of the New Jerusalem—God cannot and will not be stopped from His accomplishments.

    No matter how insidious is the apostasy, no matter how compromised we have become! “He abides faithful—He cannot deny Himself!”

    GEORGE BUSH AS THE ANICHRIST?

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    The final prophetical inquiry is the most dicey of the lot: President George W. Bush is the possible “Prince of the Covenant” and ultimate Antichrist—we’ve been told that our “math” may be off in that “Dubya” has but several more years in office but that the Prince of the Covenant will sign a 7-year Defense Pact with Israel—so, we’re off at least five years?

    Though it is exceedingly tempting—this network has NEVER claimed that President George W. Bush is the Antichrist. We have identified the Antichrist in numerous capacities and elaborated upon his personality in no uncertain terms; however, unlike others who have committed this title to the current Commander-in-Chief, we have not.

    What we have repeatedly said is this: Antichrist is not simply a “spirit gone out into the world” but a real person to be revealed at the commencement of the 70th Week of Daniel (yet future). Also, that Antichrist is not a Jew, the Papacy, Islam, nor a Joke. Furthermore, Antichrist is not only a kingdom, but a king and that he is decidedly gentile insofar as ethnicity is concerned. Indeed, he is Greco-Roman at his core: He is the leader of the West and of Western Civilization as seen throughout the book of Daniel and the Revelation.

    Insofar as our math being skewed—I seriously doubt that Antichrist will endure term limits when he is revealed! In point of fact—it is a world in crisis that will demand aggressive leadership and continuity to guarantee the peace, protect the innocent, and assure that “freedom of religion” is the practice throughout the world, including the world of Islam!

    Thank you for your inquiry—Dene McGriff forwarded your questions to me about a week ago. I’d like to apologize for not getting back to you the first time. It may sound a bit “presidential” – however, I simply cannot recollect your first attempt—I may have inadvertently deleted your e-mail somehow . . . I’ve been known to do that!
    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/dougkrieger/what_the_antichrist_is_not_pt2.htm
     
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    ANTICHRIST IS NOT THE POPE . . .
    A System, nor Totality of Babylon the Great!*

    By
    Doug Krieger


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    Antichrist-Babylon the Great—from evangelical author Dave Hunt and his Woman Rides the Beast, to Peter Waldo’s identification of the Antichrist as the Roman Imperial Church of the 12th Century—the stigma Antichrist abides the Roman Sea.

    Martin Luther’s classic, The Babylonian Captivity of the Church, was the most potent Reformational declaration of his three great 1520’s works—the peak year of his theological Reformational radicalism. This treatise is the nexus of the Protestant Reformation—without question it is the pinnacle of Luther’s quest for individualism and responsibility for one’s personal salvation.

    “Luther’s position changed dramatically with the publication of the Babylonian Captivity, the second of his great treatises of 1520. It was here that Luther took an explicitly insurrectionary position, writing that the pope was the antichrist and arguing that true Christianity had to be rescued from the ‘Babylonian Captivity’ into which the Roman Church had led it. The Captivity marked the crowning moment of Luther’s theological radicalism and represents the point of irreparable fracture between his own writings and the Roman Church.” (The Manhattan Rare Book Company, The Babylonian Captivity by Martin Luther)

    It was only when Luther identified the Papacy and its “system” with the Antichrist that he and those immediate reformers of his era broke free from the indulgent corruption inflicted upon the Church.
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    The “Babylonian Captivity” and the Antichrist—and their simultaneous declaration as the “seat of Antichrist” forever linked the system of the Papacy with that of Antichrist and Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth. When one mentioned Babylon the Great amongst the early Protestants, there was a subsequent announcement of Antichrist’s “system.”

    Through the post-Reformational centuries—especially the first three centuries up through the mid-1700s—Antichrist and Babylon the Great, in the minds of Protestants, and their eschatologists, the Historicists—became inseparable from the Holy Sea. When one spoke of Rome’s persecutions of Protestants and their forebears amongst the Catharists, Vaudois, Albigenses, Waldensians, Lollards, Hussites, Utraquists, Taborites, Moravians, Peter Waldo, John Wycliffe, John Huss et al., Antichrist and/or at least the “system of antichrist” embodied in the Roman Church was the apostate foe who perpetrated such persecutions.

    Before there ever was a formal declaration of the “Protestant” faith, announced at the Diet of Spryer in 1529, there were people like Wycliffe of England, who started out as a Catholic Reformer. Wycliffe insisted that the English government should remove corrupt churchmen and confiscate their properties—furthermore, he said that the “Pope is the Antichrist” – the “man of sin” who exalts himself above God. Both he and his followers, the Lollards, were severely persecuted (cir. 1350 – 1500).

    In Hunting Heretics (February, 2002), former Roman Catholic nun, Mary Ann Collins, connects the founding of the Inquisition staffed by Dominican friars from 1180 to 1230 and their persecution of the Waldensians, to their final victim in 1826.

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    The Office of the Inquisition still exists. It is located in the Vatican. In 1965 its name was changed to “The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.” In 1981 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger headed up this most potent branch of the Holy Sea—perhaps you would now know his name as Pope Benedict XVI, successor to Pope John Paul II.

    The June 5, 2004 article published by the BBC News entitled Vatican Dispels Inquisition Myths by Verity Murphy makes an astounding exposure of Catholic oversight of Inquisitional History: The denial of it!

    “The Vatican has published a new study on the abuses committed by the medieval Inquisition and come to a rather surprising conclusion - that in fact the much feared judges of heresy were not as brutal as previously believed. According to the 800-page report, the Inquisition that spread fear throughout Europe throughout the Middle Ages did not use execution or torture to anything like the extent history would have us believe. In fact the book's editor, Professor Agostino Borromeo, claims that in Spain only 1.8% of those investigated by the notorious Spanish Inquisition were killed.”

    On the other hand, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs and Dave Hunt’s Woman Rides the Beast lay claim to untold millions who died throughout Europe and elsewhere in the Inquisitors’ torture chambers. There is such a preponderance of historical evidence to this fact, that to deny it would be akin to the denial of the Holocaust and six million Jews who perished in the Final Solution.

    ANTICHRIST AS A PAPAL SYSTEM—NOT A PERSON PER SE

    In Westminster Confession of Faith, 25.6, it states:

    “There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalts himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.” (Antichrist, from Wikipedia)

    The London Baptist Confession of 1689, 26.4, it proclaims:

    “The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.” (Ibid.)

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    An elaborate, but inclusive, presentation of the doctrine of the Antichrist and its Romish affiliations can be found in Can We Identify Antichrist? by the Bible Students Congregation of New Brunswick, Canada @ www.bible411.com.

    Historicists are determined to link Antichrist with Rome’s Counter Reformation led by the Jesuits—a sampling of that and links to affirm this nefarious “source” of Futurism’s Antichrist as a person, not a system, and especially not the Papal system, will suffice:

    “In response to the majority Protestant identification of the Papacy as Antichrist, the modern view of Futurism (Christian eschatology), a product of the Counter-Reformation, was advanced beginning in the 16th Century. This theory was developed by a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera in his 1585 treatise on the Apocalypse of John entitled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij. This view was then codified by St. Bellarmine, who gives in full the Catholic theory set forth by the Greek and Latin Fathers, of a personal Antichrist to come just before the end of the world and to be accepted by the Jews and enthroned in the temple at Jerusalem—thus endeavoring to dispose of the Protestant exposition which saw Antichrist in the pope. Bellarmine's interpretation, in modified form, is now accepted by most premillennial dispensationalists.[5]” (Wikipedia, Antichrist)

    Reformed theologians—who claim the Reformational mantle—are all the more derisive in their comments regarding Futurists amongst the dispensationalists who they say embrace the Jesuits’ Antichrist:

    “Identifying that ‘man of sin’, called the Antichrist, has become a favorite project for all those who put their interests and energies towards the task of studying eschatology. A public steeped in the post-modern culture of ‘reality television’ and real-time despotic villains cannot help but be fascinated with the concept of a soon approaching, intrinsically evil, all-powerful world leader. Since most of those who call themselves ‘Christians’ today are woefully ignorant of history, and are naturally inclined to believe whatever pabulum is spewed upon them from millionaire pop-prophecy teachers and the pop-theology pimps in the pulpits of America, it is natural that many disturbing eschatological mythologies would sprout up in such fertile ground.

    “The uniform reformed position that the Papacy is the seat of Antichrist, and the Bishop of Rome that ‘man of sin’, is now under renewed attack by both Futurists and Preterists, who would put forth pet prophetic interpretations that require that we discover Antichrist somewhere other than in Ecclesiastical Rome.” (The Doctrine of the Papal Antichrist, Michael Bunker)

    Reformist theologians, and their historicist counterparts, claim that futurists are inconsistent in their interpretation of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 to wit:

    “The literal Man of sin concept holds that the four beasts of Daniel 7 represent four governments or empires. The ‘little horn’ of the fourth beast (vss. 8, 11, 20) symbolizes a single individual who is the Man of sin. At the same time this concept claims that the Leopard Beast of Revelation 13 pictures not a government, but a personal Man of Sin and that the ten horns (verse 1) picture ten governments that support this worldwide dictator. But this interpretation is completely inconsistent with itself.

    “Once the Bible identifies a symbol, then we are on shaky ground to assign that symbol a different meaning. Since Daniel identifies these beasts as governments, most agree that these beasts of Daniel 7 are universal empires: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. By what logic then are the beasts of Revelation symbolic of an individual when beasts in Daniel are admittedly governments? Also, is it not inconsistent to claim the little horn in Daniel is a man, whereas the horns of Revelation are governments? Consistency requires a uniform application of the beasts and horns in both Daniel and Revelation.” (Can We Identify Antichrist? www.bible411.com)

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    Since this is not an exhaustive treatise on this subject, suffice it to say that reformists, historicists, Covenantalists et al are loathe to admit that Antichrist can be anything but the Papal system and the inheritor of the Fourth Beast (the Roman Empire) which was and is the Roman Catholic Church.

    To accomplish their eschatology, they place the blame of a personification of the Antichrist in a final personage juxtaposed to the person of Christ Himself (a real person who walked upon the face of this earth) in a “system.” The same can be said of Paul’s Man of Sin, the Lawless One, the Mystery of Iniquity, that Wicked One (II Thess. 2:3-9)—in all cases the emphasis is always upon a “system” and not an actual personage.

    Again, let it be repeated, the identity of the Man of Sin as the Papacy did not come into actual existence until at or near the commencement of the second millennium—to the contrary, the early Church Fathers held to a personal manifestation of that Man of Sin, the Antichrist, and in no way saw him as a “system.”

    I find it somewhat disingenuous of Historicists and Reformers to decry the Jesuits in their future Antichrist as THE attempt to take the “Antichrist onus” off of the Papacy and to place it on a future and personal Antichrist—when the early Church Fathers did that very thing!

    Furthermore, the “restrainer” when “taken out of the way” (II Thessalonians 2:6-8—“And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time . . . for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way . . . and then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.”) is the fourth beast, i.e., the Roman Empire. Once the Roman Empire was taken out of the way, the Man of Sin, the Papal System, was revealed!

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    The historicists-reformers use the writings of the Early Church Fathers to confirm their “antichrist system.” It is preposterous to conjecture any “system” from the tractates of Hippolytus when he is so abundantly clear that the Antichrist will be a real, yet future, personage—in Hippolytus’ case, a Jew, just as Jesus was a Jew, even so the future Antichrist will spring from the tribe of Dan. We covered this is our last article; The Antichrist is Not a Jew, Part II.

    Again, the early Church, under successive Roman persecutions, found it altogether plausible—not only from Scripture, but by dent of reoccurring persecution—that the future Antichrist would be a Roman Prince:

    “The Roman emperor beginning with Nero, sometimes together with the four emperors who succeeded him in the year following his suicide, until the elevation of Nero's general Vespasian to emperor, have been interpreted from very early times, either alone or collectively as the Beast of the Apocalypse.” (The Antichrist, Wikipedia).

    Preterists, in particular, who see the fulfillment of the Antichrist in the person of Nero, as well as nearly all Bible prophecy fulfilled at or near the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D., certainly have no problem with identifying Antichrist as a Roman Prince.

    Once again, however, Preterism—though their claim to doctrinal purity astounds—precludes the FACT (though try they may to deduce John’s Revelation and writings prior to 70 AD) that the Beloved’s writings are post-70 AD and project eschatology beyond their pivotal conclusion and, most certainly, they do not concur with the Early Church Fathers whose personification of Antichrist as either a Roman Prince or an apostate Jew yet future, militates against their narrow prophetical graphic.

    “I want to point out that if the time of authorship of Revelation is in fact 97AD, an entire approach to interpreting Revelation is false. That is the ‘Preterist’ approach, that most all of the prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. In other words, if the date of authorship is AD 97, we need not even consider that particular interpretation of Revelation. On the other hand remember, interpreting Revelation from a ‘futurists’ point of view, that the prophetic events of Revelation will take place in the future, does not depend on either date of authorship to make it’s case.

    “At this time, with the documentation I have been exposed to, I would personally support the authorship date of AD 97. In that year, it had been about 64 years since Jesus had ascended to Heaven. It had been about 37 years since Paul wrote his letter to the Church in Ephesus (one of the 7 churches of Revelation). In 70 AD the Romans destroyed Jerusalem dispersing its population, both Jew and Christian throughout the world. All of the other original disciples had died according to early historians and church tradition. Rome was very much still in charge of the world. The level of Christian persecution varied from emperor to emperor, but was always great.” (Introduction to Revelation)

    JESUITS, THE BLACK POPE, DA VINCI CODE, OPUS DEI, OUR LADY OF FATIMA – THE PLOT THICKENS

    Exotic extrapolations of the “system” producing an ultimate Antichrist who is the very Beast of Revelation 13—the final Antichrist, the embodiment, even incarnation of Satan himself, has been proposed by some historicists. Theirs is a world fraught with centuries steeped in conspiracy and ultimate world domination. Many are well meaning brethren who see in sundry Roman Catholicism all the earmarks of an ultimate Black Pope who will be the personification of evil—the Antichrist. Yes, there is conviction of such a personage even among Catholics, let along their Protestant counterparts!
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    The tone and intrigue vested in the writings of the “conspiratorialists” is remarkable—it literally “sucks you into their black conspiratorial hole” from whence there is no recovery! Even so, the novel and movie staring Tom Hanks of the Da Vinci Code—it’s truly mesmerizing. Now, a sample of the conspiratorial mind . . . from the fertile imagination of The Remnant of God, The Spectrum—whose sounds and sights are congruent with those of Barbara Aho:

    “You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word ‘Jew’ to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called “elite” families))—the Rothschilds in England and Rockefellers in America and Bronfmans in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly motivated, other-dimensional ‘master deceivers’ commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their ‘fallen angel’ cohorts.”

    Is your interest perked?—after all, something has to be behind all of this! Let’s read on . . .

    “While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of ‘conspiracy theory’ scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.

    “Let’s call this story the ‘Jesuit-Vatican connection’ to the unfolding New World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There’s a good reason the secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess such a collection of information detailing much ‘censored’ data about our true, other-worldy cultural heritage.

    “When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help but reflect back on the purposely ‘adjusted’ and watered down and boring moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history of what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.” (Rick Martin, The Black Pope)

    Now the conspiratorial mind of the Vatican Assassins, Eric Jon Phelps—it won’t take long before you reach the outer perimeters of the black hole from whence there is no escape, no rational exclusion from the abyss of utter conspiracy; here, there is no confusion—all makes unfathomable sense; dots are finally connected . . . it’s only a matter of time!
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    “The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move. The provincials are his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials right now.

    “As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83 regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10 provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America. There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world into these provinces.

    “So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a Roman form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to this worldwide sovereign.

    “The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order. He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that country, how best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and then he uses legitimate grievances to foam an agitation—like the 1964 Civil Rights Movement.

    “That was ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because the end result was more consolidation of power in Washington with the 1964 Civil Rights Act that was written by [the longtime President of the University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.

    “The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many Jesuits who are not ‘professed’, so many of the lower Jesuits have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of their Order.

    “It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower Freemasons have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great (of Prussia), wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.” (Ibid. The Black Pope, The Spectrum, Phelps)

    Now, Phelps, ultimately discloses his Protestant roots in this Papal conspiracy . . . but it takes a while . . . certainly, the Martin-Phelps “Axis of Conspiracy” dialogue is classical post-Reformational conspiracy theory—alive, well, and ever-innovative in its hatred toward Rome:

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    Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and it’s similarity to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and I wrote that question before I got back to the Protocols portion of your book.

    “Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have carried everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says—and he was a Jesuit—he was greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate, Protestants, and Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by Jack Chick. Jack Chick published his story in six volumes, titled Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, & VI.

    “Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with the Pope who published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the Jesuits themselves because they and they alone, were the ones who were able to bring this to pass.

    “They’re the ones in the government. They’re the ones behind professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top owners of these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of Malta, getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports, while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the things in the Protocols—that they would create ‘amusements.’

    “Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd-degree Freemason—Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey, with Hersey Park. They create all of these amusements and games and pastimes to get the people drunk with pleasure, while they’re busy overthrowing the Protestant form of government.” (Ibid. The Black Pope)

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    Yes, according to Phelps, a Protestant Reformation that was countered by Rome’s Jesuits, is the real culprit; to wit:​

    “The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the Protestant Reformation. Remember—the Protestant Reformation brought us all of the political liberty that we know of today. There’s no such thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation. There’s no such thing as private rights without the Reformation. There’s no such thing as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of Montesquieu and the others, without the Reformation.

    “So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the priesthood to go to Heaven—that all we need is salvation in Christ, and Romans 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the Reformation came, it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The priests were no longer wanted because the people were getting the Word of God in a Bible, specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these great revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations were breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire was breaking up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a gardener. So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking the power of the Holy Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the Pope.” (Ibid. The Black Pope)

    Wow, Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, as it turns out, is NOT a Jewish conspiracy, but one set up to look like one orchestrated by the Jesuits! Now, that’s conspiracy!

    Good grief—it’s hard to keep up with the conspiracies . . . but, now that we’re in the black hole . . . just what is the ultimate goal of the Jesuits, who were themselves the Counter Reformation specialists, ultimately gone out of control, later diminished by the Papacy itself, but who regrouped under the French Revolution and Napoleon (according to Phelps et al) . . . so, just what is the ultimate goal of these Jesuits, and of the current Jesuit General, Count Hans Kolvenbach?

    THE JESUITS TURN ON THE POPE AND CONTROL THE PAPACY

    Phelps leaves you awestruck . . . so many dots are randomly connected, with historical truth interspersed (and there are many historical facts interspersed
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    to his fantasies) that, although he is repeatedly discredited by historical fact . . . one is nevertheless absorbed by his convolutions—in sum, he makes the Da Vinci Code pale into a light-weight, superficial account of the Merovingians, Mary Magdalene, the Quest for the Holy Grail and how the bloodline of Jesus will issue in the ultimate Antichrist!

    So, Phelps postulates how the Jesuits were chastised by Pope Clement XIII (1758-1769) but regrouped and actually control today’s Papacy:

    “Remember that they (i.e., the Jesuits) were in control of Napoleon. A Jesuit by the name of Abbie Sieyes—you can find him, again, in Ridpath’s History of the World—Abbie Sieyes was a Jesuit-trained individual, and I believe he was a Jesuit. He was on the Directory, and he was also on the Consulate; he was the second counsel. Napoleon was the first; he was the second. He was the advisor and director of Napoleon. Abbie Sieyes, being the Jesuit that he was, ordered Napoleon to imprison the Pope for 5 years, and he did!

    “So, the Pope was in prison for 5 years until 1814, when he restored the Jesuit Order. The Pope, prior to that, was killed. They brought him over the mountains of the Alps, and he died through that debacle.

    “The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They used their French soldiers to overturn St. Peter’s chair, and they found, written in Arabic: ‘There is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.’ And THAT is what is under St. Peter’s chair today. That was stolen from some kalif during the Crusades.

    “So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed their power. The Pope then restored them with a Papal Bull, calling upon the vengeance of the Apostles Peter and Paul . . . for anyone who would ever suppress the Jesuit Order ever again. When the Jesuits were ‘reinstalled’ in all their power, that’s when they were in control of the Pope, and from then on they have been.

    “Any Pope who resists them gets punished or murdered. And all the Popes know it. When Pius IX wanted a liberal constitution for the Italian people in 1849, all of the Italians were delighted. Here is a liberal Pope; he’s going to give us constitutional rights; we’re going to have a constitution.

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    “The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldi and their Freemasons, and drove Pius IX from his throne. He had to stay in Gaeta for about a year. When he returned to Rome, under the protection of Napoleon III’s French army—actually, it was the republic’s army that would later be his ‘army of the empire’—but they returned with a French army, protecting the Pope, he became the most fanatical absolutist, pursuant to the wishes of the Jesuits.

    “So, Pius IX was punished. But the Popes who don’t obey, like, what was it, In God’s Name, the Pope who was murdered after 33 days, when he didn’t go along with the Jesuit Order, they ended his life.” (Ibid. The Black Pope)

    This freewheeling exchange wherein Phelps can’t remember the name of John Paul I astounds . . . never mind, we’re just after the ultimate goal of the Jesuits . . . but first, some insightful connection between the Jesuits, Armageddon, and the State of Israel:

    “We first have to remember the creation of the nation of Israel. World War I prepared the land for the people. World War II prepared the people for the land. World War III, the battle of Armageddon, will ‘prepare the people for their messiah’—with national repentance and realizing that ‘Jesus, the messiah, is the savior and will deliver them.’

    “The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic Rothschild-controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel today.

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    “I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in his book Plausible Denial when he tells about a Jew in Israel who wrote about certain criminal Jews, involved with the Nazis, who are now with the Mossad, something along those lines. The man who wrote the article was gunned-down in front of his home.

    “So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It controls the Israeli government through the Mossad.”

    Double grief, now the Jesuits control the State of Israel! These ramblings are the stuff of the Da Vinci Code and the Black Pope. Hang on now—we’re cutting to the chase:

    “You see, all these things (e.g., WWI and WWII, communism, etc.) were used to unite Catholics and Protestants together here (in the USA), so that, ultimately, Rome would be in control of all the Protestant denominations through the National Council of Churches and the Royal Council of Churches. And that’s what they got. They took Princeton; they took Dartmouth College. All the great Protestant Universities are now in the hands of the Masons and the Jesuits. Harvard has a Jesuit House. They’re controlled. And so, wherever they control education, they control the politics. And they control the education in China, Russia, all the Communist countries. Now that they have all of the dictators installed all throughout the world, they don’t need the Cold War anymore. So now they can proceed with their next agenda, and that’s the unification of Europe, the building up of Russia, and the destruction of the Western Empire. And that’s their next agenda.”

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    Now we’re getting somewhere: The Destruction of Western Empire. How will this be done? As you read the Phelps and Martin dialogue—a dialogue which is excruciatingly familiar to the ramblings of Barbara Aho, Madame Blavatsky, British Israelism, and a host of the bizarre—the Jesuits are maneuvering the Presidency into an absolute dictatorship where the Commander-in-Chief subsumes the balance of powers of Congress and Supreme Court.

    Now, note how the Beast, the Papacy, and Antichrist culminate in this massive takeover:

    “Absolutism is their great doctrine, that absolute power resides in the hands of the General. He is limited by no constitution. He is limited by no law. This is the Great Doctrine of Divine Right, the Divine Right of Kings that was so fought against by the Calvinists. We Bible-believing Calvinists believe in the Rule of Law. The Law is king. Rutherford’s ‘Lex Rex.’ The Jesuits believe the king is the law—Louis XIV: ‘I am the law.’ So, it’s going to be a universal, world-wide king who, himself, is the law. All authority will be in him, as he rules the world from Jerusalem, as the Beast.”

    Now, the Protestant theology of the Papal Antichrist comes into total focus—somehow, the US Presidency must become subservient to the Jesuits’ Pope; that’s why the Jesuits are maneuvering (as Phelps surmises) the control of the Presidency (and, no doubt Opus Dei plays a role in all this).

    “I’m saying that what’s in position now will ultimately bring in the future Pope, whoever he is, and whatever it may be, as a Universal Absolutist—the Universal Monarch of the World, in Jerusalem.”

    We are simply left in a “conspiratorial conundrum” by Phelps, as the Presidency of the USA, the leadership of the Western Empire, is utterly subverted and the Jesuit-controlled Black Pope ascends to the world stage where he becomes none other than the supreme potentate, the Antichrist.

    Strangely enough, Phelps claims to be a dispensationalist! Hold on to your eschatological sanity here . . .

    “I’m saying that will literally happen. There will be a Pope, who will be killed; he will receive a mortal wound. And this is going to happen in the 70th week of Daniel. He will receive a mortal wound, according to Revelation 13.

    “This is the Beast, and he will come back to life. He comes back to life, mid-trib, at the very time that Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven by Michael and his angels. At this time, Satan goes and he indwells the Beast, this Pope. Now he comes back to life, just like Christ. He was dead; now he’s resurrected.

    “And what is he going to do? He’s going to destroy the Catholic Church. He’s going to destroy the Vatican; and he’s going to go down in Jerusalem and demand to be worshipped as God, for three and a half years.

    “That’s why the Vatican is indestructible. No one can destroy the Vatican. All the armies in the world couldn’t destroy it. It has been determined that it will be destroyed by the Anti-Christ. And he, alone, can do it.”

    Carefully observe how the Pope, not a political leader, is now the all-inclusive fulcrum of evil—the Antichrist himself! Indeed, the Beast, the Antichrist-Pope, will turn on Catholics and all who claim the name of Christ! The likes of Phelps are not an isolated phenomenon amongst Protestantism gone theologically berserk—a host of conspiratorialists are “out there” (much like “the truth is out there”). Please meander through the quagmire of conspiracy by going to this web site and confirm one thing—you will observe so many dots being connected that eventually—“the whole world has gone mad, except thee and me, and sometimes I think thee as well.” (See: Illuminati News)

    THE JEWISH-CATHOLIC – ZIONIST-PAPAL PLOT OF BARBARA AHO – Opus Dei Decoded!
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    Protestants have no end to their historical, eschatological prattling—and nothing is as inscrutable an effort as the writings of British Israelite, Barbara Aho. Watch how she weaves the Vatican and Jersualem into a most amazing mosaic of conspiratorial bliss; eventually, to Aho—and if you go far enough into her world of Merovingian Dynasties and Da Vinci Codes—the Jews are behind all efforts of world domination; therefore, the Catholic lay organization, Opus Dei, are naught but a front for the Jews-Jesuits to gain world domination.

    “Opus Dei was founded in 1928 by Jose Maria Escrivá de Balaguer, a crypto-Jew whose surname was originally ‘Escriba’ which means ‘Scribe.’ In 1982, Pope John Paul II made Opus Dei a ‘personal prelature,’ a privilege conferred upon no other religious order. In other words, this organization, founded by a crypto-Jew, is accountable to no one but the Pope. That might not be a problem per se, except there is convincing evidence that Pope John Paul II was one of the many Jewish popes of the Catholic Church, including the present Pope Benedict XVI (Ratzinger). After a record-breaking canonization process of 27 years, Pope John Paul II declared the Jewish Escrivá a saint of the Roman Catholic Church .

    “It is imperative to understand that Opus Dei is not fundamentally a Catholic organization but a front for B’nai B’rith, which is directly under the high cabal of International Jewry, the Prieuré de Sion. An informative Catholic website, Opus Dei Alert has exposed Opus Dei as a Jewish front and Escrivá as a Marrano Jew.”

    To Barbara Aho, and her clan of conspiratorialists, tracing the roots of Opus Dei to the expulsion of all non-Catholic Christians, Moslems, and Jews from Spain in 1492 was no easy fete, but the circuitous route was transversed!

    “Around 1492 A.D. the top Jews in Spain had wormed their way into high positions of Church and State by pretending to be Catholics. These false Marrano Jews, as they were called, were involved in treacheries against Spain and The Church. The Catholic Church’s Glorious Inquisition was used to confront this grave attack on Catholic Life, with the holy purpose of weeding out these infiltrating Jews, who were masquerading as converts, whose sole purpose (the Jewish infiltrators) was to subvert the Catholic Church from within, while remaining undetected…

    “There is much evidence that Opus Dei’s, unholy founder ‘Escriva’ came from very proximate Jewish ancestry. Some point out that ‘Escriva’s’ changing his name a documented five (5) times, was a stealthy ‘shell game’ tactic he (‘Escriva’) utilized to keep his anti-Catholic roots hidden. Yet, although he may have thought it expedient to keep his alleged Talmudic background in the dark and from public scrutiny; he (Escriva) during this era of the ‘uneducated Catholic’ nonetheless, brazenly showed himself as one to have openly and knowingly judaized. [That is only of course presupposing he ever intentionally held the Catholic Faith and not just demonically exuded, just enough of a calculated veneer of Catholicism exteriorly, in order to snatch the unthinking and/or unwary Catholic into his anti-Christ Marrano Money Cult.]” (Opus Dei’s Rabbis: The Enemy Has Possession of the Citadel)

    Ultimately – if you follow the convoluted reasonings of Aho’s Jewish-Catholic conspiracy – and how Opus Dei has taken over from where the Marrano Jews left off . . . well, Catholics and Jews alike should find all of these reasonings the height of intellectual insanity! Farfetched? You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

    “(US) Supreme Court Justices (i.e., Catholic Justices like Sam Alito, Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy, and, of course, Chief Justice John Roberts) who (Note: At this point she doesn’t qualify her “who.”) are involved in Opus Dei are not only linked with the high cabal of International Jewry but they have been indoctrinated in the Talmud, which is the basis of Josemaria Escrivá's teachings. For this reason alone, these Justices would give preferentiality to Talmudic Law over Constitutional Law, a partiality which renders these Roman Catholic justices on the Supreme Court suspect as being crypto-Jews. As documented in Mystery Babylon: Catholic or Jewish?, Jewish “Marranos” infiltrated the Roman Catholic Church in massive numbers during the Middle Ages and represent a Fifth Column within that Church to the present day.

    “Besides the five possible crypto-Jews, there are two overt Jews on the High Court—Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Considering that there are 5.2 million Jews out of nearly 300 million people in the U.S., a 7:2 ratio of Jewish vs. Gentile Justices (on the US Supreme Court) is hardly an equitable situation. Adding to the disproportionate numbers the fact that there are several Opus Dei Justices, five possible covert Jews and two overt Jews, and that all of these Justices have been indoctrinated in the Talmud as the divinely-inspired word of God, there appears to be an enemy presence in the highest court of the land.

    “Those Christians who take consolation in the fact that liberals will finally be forced to abide by the Ten Commandments, have a surprise in store for themselves under the judicial watch of an Opus Dei Supreme Court. Foremost is the prospect that the Judeo-Masonic Noahide Laws will be enforced by this Talmudic body when the rest of the world has had enough bloodshed at the hands of the ‘Christian’ Dominionists. This transition will occur when the Jewish Antichrist rises to power and establishes the Jerusalem Sanhedrin as the Supreme Court of the World.

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    “Soon thereafter, when the U.S. Supreme Court is officially transformed into the U.S. Sanhedrin, the Ten Commandments will be replaced by the Talmud-mandated Seven Noahide Laws as a legal means of eliminating the violence of Roman Catholicism and Christianity, as well as the right-wing Catholics and Christians who foment wars and persecutions in the name of Jesus Christ.” (Death of the Phoenix, Final Act for the United States of America, Act VI, The New Reformation, Scene I, Enter Scorpio, The Supreme Court and Opus Dei, Barbara Aho, Watch Unto Prayer Ministries)

    By now you have lost your senses, mind, and marbles! And, imagine, Watch Unto Prayer, according to Alexa, is approximately the 2,000th most popular web site in the world!

    Perhaps I should have placed Barbara’s synthesis of Opus Dei and its final Jewish conclusion in our initial two settings: THE ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW, Parts I and II. My reasonings to include herein have more to do with the incredible Catholic-Jewish amalgam for world supremacy and the final Antichrist . . . for Aho’s Antichrist is strangely similar to that of Phelps’ Black Pope—she simply traces his serpentine origins back to the Marrano Jews who converted to Catholicism around 1492!

    In both the ramblings of Phelps and Aho, the reoccurring theme takes the eschatological focus off the Roman Prince—the political leader of the Western Empire—and upon the Papacy (the “Black Pope”) or an ultimate political leader from Europe, a clandestine Jew whose bloodlines can be traced (akin to the Da Vinci Code) back through to Mary Magdalene. It is this Jew (fake Catholic) who will be the future and consummate Antichrist. Both squarely place the ultimate Antichrist as a future Roman Catholic Pontiff (subverted no less in Aho’s scenario by a world-wide Jewish conspiracy) . . .
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    “Since few are wise to the Merovingian (Jewish) infiltration and takeover of the Roman Catholic Church or that celibacy, homosexuality and pederasty are sacred rites of the Merovingians, and given that the secret societies, which are under the oversight of the Prieuré de Sion, control the news media which has sensationalized these scandals, and considering the effectiveness of this ingenious and carefully executed plan, we submit that the mighty fall of this citadel of Christendom is a fait accompli.” (This is Barbara Aho’s complete quote including parenthesis.) (THE MEROVINGIAN DYNASTY SATANIC BLOODLINE OF THE ANTICHRIST & FALSE PROPHET, by Barbara Aho)

    To be fair, Phelps’ Papal Antichrist hails from a purer strain than that of Aho’s Jewish-Catholic conspiracy (he appears wholly Gentile and outwardly Catholic or purely religious—although Jews are somehow involved); whereas Aho’s tends to be more political (i.e., not directly connected with overt Papal or religious manifestations per se). On the one hand Aho’s Antichrist subscribes to the political side of the Antichrist equation with her Merovingian dynasty collaborating with the Mother of Harlots (i.e., the Catholic Church), while on the other hand, Phelps’ Antichrist finds its source through religio-political intrigue within the Catholic Church, whereupon, through the surreptitious overthrow of the Western Empire (led by the USA) the corrupted Jesuit-inspired Catholics will have taken over both the Roman Church, as well as the political leadership of the world—both Phelps and Aho see their Antichrist winding up in the Jerusalem Temple declaring himself as god. Both use the Roman Catholic Church and the ultimate Antichrist as their eschatological motif.

    OUR LADY OF FATIMA & THE PROPHECIES OF ST. MALACHY – “PETER THE ROMAN”

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    It is general knowledge that the third prophecy allegedly committed to Sister Lucy in the apparitions witnessed by her at Fatima, Portugal, has embedded within the allegedly undisclosed third revelation of the final identity of the Antichrist. In sum, the third revelation is apocalyptic in nature; forgive the rather lengthily discourse on this Catholic apocalyptic mystery; however, its significance is altogether impressive and it is worthy of our immediate consideration:
    “The Third Secret is apocalyptic and therefore corresponds to the eschatological texts of Sacred Scripture. This is what Cardinal Ratzinger pointed out when he revealed that the Secret concerns the ‘novissimi’ – the ‘last things’ and corresponds to what is revealed in Sacred Scripture. Pope John Paul II, when asked about the Third Secret in Germany, stated that ‘We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not too distant future, trials that will require us to be ready to give up our lives....’ Pope John Paul II, as Karol Cardinal Wojtyla, elaborated this theme during a visit to the United States in 1976: ‘We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American Society or wide circles of the Christian Community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel. It is a trial which the Church must take up.’

    “There were three parts to the Secret of Fatima. The first two parts have long ago been revealed. These were concerning the appearance of the Angel at Fatima in 1916 and the Vision of Hell which Our Lady showed the children in July 1917. The third part of the Secret has not yet been officially revealed as such.

    “The following reported dialogue of Pope John Paul II concerning the famous Third Secret of Fatima, the secret that was opened by Pope John XXIII in 1960 and which has not been fully and officially revealed by the Vatican, is very interesting.

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    “This Secret was revealed by Our Lady on July 13, 1917, to Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco. It was entrusted to Lucia to transmit it to the Holy Father. This she did by means of a letter which was opened in 1960 as Our Lady indicated was to be done. It was this secret that the children, on August 13, 1917, would not reveal to the Masonic mayor of Ourem - even after being imprisoned and threatened with death. The children would rather die than disobey Our Lady in this matter. But that it was to be eventually made public seems to be Lucia’s understanding, because in the book by Father De Marchi, which Sister Lucia personally approved of, the author indicated that the Secret would be revealed by the Holy Father.

    “Here is the confirmation, almost to the letter also, of the apocalyptic prophecy in the unofficial version of the: ‘Third Secret’ which for years has been in circulation without being denied: ‘... the waters of the ocean will become vapor, and the foam will rise up overwhelming and drowning everything. Millions and millions of people will die hourly ...’)” (Pope John Paul II, and The Secret of Fatima, Lampholder Publications, An International Prophecy Journal)

    Cardinal Ratzinger, in November 1984, read the Third Secret of Sister Lucy, and revealed that it was exceedingly apocalyptic in nature . . . and there is, of course, the famous prognostications of Fr. Joachin Alonso and Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinitè:

    “While the precise wording of the Secret remains unknown to the public, the labors of such famous Fatima scholars as Father Joachin Alonso (former official archivist of Fatima) and Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinitè have nevertheless provided invaluable insights into its meaning and contents. The latter’s monumental 850-page work, The Third Secret is particularly noteworthy in this regard.” (The Third Secret of Fatima, The Fatima Network)

    And, what might these disclosures of Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinitè entail?

    “In his book, Frère Michel reports that, when questioned about the Secret, Sister Lucy said: ‘It’s in the Gospel and in the Apocalypse, read them!’ He notes that she then particularly indicated Chapters VIII through XIII of the Apocalypse (Chapter XIII specifically concerns the rise of the Antichrist). In his study of the Third Secret, Frère Michel builds a powerful and compelling case that the Third Secret is a grave warning of apostasy within the Catholic Faith and a serious indictment of those in the Church hierarchy who have promoted dissent and outright heresy.

    “A wave of diabolical disorientation will be hurled over the world. Satan will introduce himself even to the highest summit of the Church. He will blind the minds and harden the hearts of pastors. And God will deliver them to themselves as a chastisement for their refusal to obey the requests of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This will be the great apostasy predicted for the ‘last times’; ‘the False Lamb’ and ‘False Prophet’ will betray the Church to the profit of ‘the Beast,’ according to the prophecy of the Apocalypse.” (The Story of Fatima, The Fatima Network)

    Thence is the Antichrist intimately connected with Our Lady of Fatima and ipso facto the Catholic Church’s supreme leadership in the minds of many Catholics vis-à-vis the Visions of Our Lady of Fatima.

    ST. MALACHY’S PROPHECY OF THE POPES
    The short, cryptic prophecies of St. Malachy, the Primate of Ireland, made circa 1140 while on a visit to Rome, about each Pope from his time ‘till the End of Time—are all based on visions he had at the time.
    “From what we know of recent Popes, these prophecies are accurate, based on interior evidence alone. What is so very sobering is the fact there are only 2 Popes left after Pope John Paul II!! Some Christian scholars claim that according to St. Malachy Benedict XVI is the last Pope.” (The Prophecies of Malachy, Marialand)
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    Catholic fascination for either an ultimate Papal Antichrist or at least a future Pope (or, for that matter the current one, Pope Benedict XVI) who will embrace the Antichrist as the real Christ may come as a shock to Christians outside Rome’s umbrella; however, there is ample discussion among Catholics regarding these matters.

    The Prophecy of St. Malachy details some 112 future Popes until Daniel’s 70th Week. Pope #110 is known as the “World Traveler” (i.e., Pope John Paul II). After his passing there would be two more Popes. Pope #111 was designated by St. Malachy as “Olive’s Glory” and Pope #112 as “Peter The Roman.”

    “About the year A.D. 1139, Saint Malachy O'Morgair, Archbishop of Armagh, Ireland, wrote down a list of Popes. He listed 112 future Popes, each described by a phrase in Latin. There has been increasing interest in this list among Roman Catholics, for two reasons. First, the descriptions of Popes #109 and #110 match the pontificates of Popes John Paul I and John Paul II to a tee. Second, there are only two more Popes on the list, and the last Pope on the list is given a long apocalyptic description, instead of a quaint and cryptic phrase.” (The Future and the Popes, Catholic Planet)

    Catholic Planet continues these disclosures:

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    “Pope #111 (i.e., Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI) on St. Malachy’s list is given the phrase: ‘From the Glory of the Olive.’ This prophetic phrase has several meanings which correctly apply to the next Pope after John Paul II.

    “What is the glory of the olive? The olive branch is a well-known symbol of peace. The glory of the olive is peace. The next Pope after John Paul II will be a man of great peace. Peace will be his banner, peace will be his work, peace will be his goal. He will seek peace among individuals, among nations, among Catholics, between Catholics and other Christians, and between Catholics and adherents of other religions. The next Pope after John Paul II will have a Pontificate distinguished for seeking Peace around the world. He is correctly called the Pope of Peace.

    ”St. Malachy's prophecy about John Paul II fit his Pontificate well, once it began. But, before being elected Pope, Karol Wojtyla did not distinguish himself by traveling constantly. The next Pope after John Paul II may not have distinguished himself yet in works of peace-making. Or, he may have distinguished himself in peace-making in God’s eyes, but not yet in the eyes of the world.”

    “Pope Benedict XVI will die prior to, or at the very beginning of, World War III. Therefore, he will die in either 2009 or 2010. His reign will be short, like the reign of the holy Pope who reigns after him. I am not certain when Pope Benedict's reign will begin. He must have some number of years in his brief reign, to accomplish his tasks of peace-making. He must therefore be elected soon.” (Note: This apparently was written prior to Pope Benedict’s Pontificate.) (Ibid. Catholic Planet)

    Finally, Pope Peter the Roman:

    “Pope #112 on St. Malachy's list is given this description: ‘In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there shall reign Peter the Roman who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the terrible judge will judge the people.’” (Ibid. Catholic Planet)

    Catholic Planet (CP) simply believes that Pope #112 is the final Pope on St. Malachy’s list of 112 Popes; however, it is this Pope who, according to CP commences the events in the Revelation.

    Other impressions regarding Pope “Peter The Roman” . . .

    “PETER THE ROMAN - This final Pope will likely be Satan, taking the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The 112th prophesy states: ‘In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.’” (Papal Prophecies, St. Malachy, Crystal Links)

    And, from a religious writer in Italy:

    “Petrus Romanus: This final Pope will take the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The 112th prophesy states: ‘In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.’

    “Although the theory that the prophecies of Malachy might be 16th century forgeries has been put forward from time to time, it is of particular interest that one of the most respectable and outstanding historians of the 16th century seems to have accepted them completely. Onofrio Panvinio became corrector and reviser of the Vatican Library in 1556. Most interpreters of Malachy rely on his ‘Epitome Romanorum Pontificum’ when commenting on the first 69 popes on Malachy’s list.

    “The problem with the prophecies as listed in The Prophecies of St. Malachy, (published by the Thomas A. Nelson, a Catholic Publishing House), is that Malachy’s original works listed only 111 Popes, not 112. Sometime between the first and subsequent printings the 112th, Petrus Romanus, was added to Malachy’s prophecy.” (Prophecies for the New Pope, Egberto Fontevilla-Mozzi, JAR Editorial Staff, VISTA MAGAZINE, cir. April, 2005)

    THE WOMAN RIDES THE BEAST—A Final Word

    Would someone please take careful note: THE WOMAN RIDES THE BEAST . . . not the other way around where the Beast is supported by the Woman!

    This picture, taken from Revelation 17-18 presents an apostate church, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth riding upon the Ten-horned Beast from the Abyss wherein this apostate church is providing “moral covering” for the dastardly deeds of the civil administration or state—the ENTIRE affair is MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT. However, be it altogether clear, that it is the BEAST who provides terrestrial support for the corrupted ecclesial expediency.
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    This exceedingly introductory piece simply states how Rome has become the focal point—not only of Protestant outrage, contemporary conspiratorialists, but of Catholics themselves. Antichrist as the Beast and, most assuredly, as his False Prophet (i.e., the “Second Beast”), is the embodiment of the Papacy—both as a system of antichrist, and even as the ultimate Antichrist himself!

    Our other writings—which do not permit repetition here—clearly point out that it is the original concept of the Antichrist, held by the Early Church Fathers, revived by Jesuits (Francisco Ribera—though he is NOT the originator of such a concept), accepted by Premillenarians a la John Darby and many others since the popularization of the eschatology in the modern era (i.e., the Antichrist is yet future and is the final Roman Prince or “Coming Prince”) that makes the Papacy’s designation as the ultimate Antichrist (system or person) problematic.

    “Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy in 1585-1590 (?) with the perspective of ‘futurism’. However, Ribera did not invent futurism! The key element of a future antichrist is easily seen in scripture itself and requires no inventiveness of any kind. Ribera simply read 2 Thess 2:3-4 and took the words ‘temple of God’ to mean a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem instead of the view of the reformers that the ‘temple of God’ was referring to the Church, because, of course, the body is the temple. (1 Corinthians 6:19, John 2:21) If anything, the view of the reformers was more inventive (requiring a sort of spiritualized substitution of words) than Ribera’s view! Additionally, it is far more obvious to see the 1260 days and/or 42 months, of Revelation 12 & 13 as 3.5 years of 1260 literal days than as 1260 years. It takes no evil inventive subversive genius to simply believe what the Bible says! But the view of a future antichrist in a future literal temple is so clearly evident in the scriptures (and not an invented heresy) that it was also taught by men over 1000 years earlier by Church Fathers such as Irenaeus & Hippolytus around 125 AD. You can look those names up in a search engine and find that Irenaeus & Hippolytus interpreted Daniel's 70th week as a future event, with a future antichrist to come during a final period of tribulation. To read Irenaeus, see ‘IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES - BOOK V’, Chapter 25, paragraph 4 at http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103525.htm or http://www.ccel.org/fathers/ANF-01/iren/iren5.html or http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh5.htm To read in the Bible about the antichrist to come, see Daniel 7-12, 2 Thess 2, Matt 24, and Rev 12-13.” (Taken from www.bibleprophecy.org – The Jesuits and the Rapture)

    The confusion over Antichrist’s entitlements and of Papal complicity with the final Antichrist is understandable—due to the religio-politico implications connected with the two, both in Scripture, as well as in history. However, the metaphors are irrefutable—and history bears witness. The West ascribed to the “Doctrine of the Two Swords” wherein the words of Jesus: “Render unto the Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s” . . . have created in the past, the present, and most assuredly the future, a Church-State tension which is dynamic, persistent, and irrevocable.

    The judgments of religious Babylon are carried out in Revelation 17; the judgments of commercial Babylon are orchestrated in Revelation 18; and, finally, the judgments of civil-political Babylon are climaxed in Revelation 19:

    THE JUDGMENT OF RELIGIOUS BABYLON

    “And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast . . . and the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire . . . for God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled” (Revelation 17:12-12, 16-17).

    THE JUDGMENT OF COMMERCIAL BABYLON

    “The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come’” (Revelation 18:9-10)

    THE JUDGMENT OF POLITICAL BABYLON

    “And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Revelation 19:19-20).

    The Mother of Harlots is judged in Revelation 17; the bastion of Commercial Babylon is destroyed in Revelation 18; and finally, the Beast and the Second Beast, the False Prophet, are directly defeated and cast into the “lake of fire burning with brimstone” by the divine intervention when “the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.” (Revelation 19:19a)
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    *This is Part III in a series entitled: ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW, THE POPE, ISLAM, NOR A JOKE”
    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/dougkrieger/what_the_antichrist_is_not_pt3.htm
     
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    DaVinci Code – DECIPHERING THE ANTICHRIST –
    Dan Brown’s Hidden Agenda

    By
    Doug Krieger


    Opus Dei’s Silas performs the dastardly deed by murdering the curator of the Louver, knowing full-well his mission’s alleged agenda: To conceal Jesus’ human vulnerabilities by protecting his divinity. The mystery of “The Code” affirms the preposterous notion that for two thousand years the love child of Jesus, if ever exposed, could shake the bastions of Christendom and blow the myth of Jesus’ humanity, terminating mankind’s need for spiritual rebirth. Alas! We live in a terrestrial nightmare concealed by apostolic fabrications—fabrications which evolved and grew into secret societies dedicated to the perpetuation of THE myth.

    Dan Brown’s Robert Langdon (played by Tom Hanks), and the legacy of Mary Magdalene’s progeny, Sophie Neveu (played by Audrey Tautou), is a serpentine image002.
    tale where the forces of evil, headed by Sir Leigh Teabing (played by Ian McKellen) are hell-bent on deciphering and exposing the code of
    codes which inevitably, if disclosed, will shatter Christianity’s invincibility and the supposed myth of the God-Man, Jesus of Nazareth: The Son of Man is he alone; no Godhood does he abide. Thus, the hypostatic union of Jesus Christ (God-Messiah), and man (Son of Man) in one person, is abolished!

    Christianity’s vast conspiracy—which on the one hand preserves the virgin birth, while on the other hand conceals the ultimate man-child—is, according the Brown-Howard axis keeps hope alive, through pious lies and distortions . . . yet, what’s really at stake is the RIGHTFUL HEIR TO THE THRONE OF DAVID, or, shall we say, the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, the ultimate SON OF DAVID through the Solomonic bloodlines that the likes of Barbara Aho and her conspiratorial trajectories contemplate—more of this later.
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    WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE -

    Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when once we threaten to deceive!

    Following Ron Howard’s film is like discovering Mt. Everest in the midst of a raging Iraqi sandstorm! Who are the “good guys” and just who are the “bad guys?”

    Jesus’ bloodline weaves its circuitous route through Magdalene’s escorts who sequester her and Jesus’ love child to the shores of the Roman province of Gaul (today’s France) shortly after Jesus’ crucifixion. Here, and ultimately, the descendants of Jesus’ royal bloodline (the Merovingians) are united with Charlemagne the Great’s Carolingian linage—maintaining the Messianic royal linage of King David whose Davidic Covenant demands an extension in perpetuity.

    “But King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the Lord forever.” (I Kings 2:45).

    From the Merovingian-Carolingian linage—the Magdalene-Jesus bloodline and its secrets were protected by none other than the clandestine Knights Templar of Crusader fame and the complications of the Free Masons (who allegedly date back to the building of the Tower of Babel).

    Alas! The HOLY GRAIL is naught but the womb of the shameless prostitute, Magdalene—for it is she, not John the Beloved, whose “V” (symbol of the womb) separates to the left side of Jesus, facing Da Vinci’s last supper; with Jesus as the inverted “V” representing the male.
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    The suppression of Magdalene’s outrage by a triumphant Church at the Council of Nicaea (325 AD)—determined to keep Christianity’s embarrassment obscure from the masses—led to the bishops’ declaration: “Jesus is truly God and truly Man!” Notwithstanding, the Gnostics and the heresy of Arius had clearly infiltrated Christendom with their fallacious gospels . . . but “they were only telling the truth” . . . so Brown would lead us to believe!

    We are led by Brown and shown by Howard, how those supposedly valiant for the truth keep the Jesus-Mary Magdalene bloodline surreptitiously obscured from a militant Roman Catholicism; and, those who stumble into these enigmatic discoveries (like Langdon), are today’s LDVs (Leonardo Da Vinces) who either keep the truth of the coded message alive, or literally preserve the royal lineage (in this case, Robert Langdon initially and inadvertently protects the lovely Sophie Neveu—the descendent of the Jesus-Magdalene union).

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    Hidden behind the subtle smile of Da Vinci’s Madonna and his mystical message of the Last Supper are veiled realities of a greater truth. Those like Da Vinci, who are the protectors of the truth, seek—like the Knight’s Templar of ‘ole—to conceal the true meaning behind Holy Blood, Holy Grail! However, it is up to devotees like Opus Dei’s Bishop Aringarosa in Brown’s novel who must extinguish the literal bloodline conceived in Magdalene’s womb; destroy the mysteries of the codes; and, assure the divinity of Christ as the God-Man—all the while assuring Rome’s religious supremacy.

    Thus, to decode what Truth Sayers like Leonardo Da Vinci attempt to disclose to the world—through art and literature—leads to an ultimate connection with the Priory of Sion (Prieuré de Sion (French), usually rendered in English translation as Priory of Sion or Priory of Zion), This pales into insignificance any and all “French Connections”—for the Throne of David is embodied within the confines of this late ‘50s subterfuge. The “outcropping” of Magdalene’s bloodline is the nexus of Catholic and Jewish conspiracies—for it is NOT the expose of Christ’s humanity and his tryst with Magdalene and subsequent charade of the divinity of Jesus Christ which is at stake here: But Dan Brown’s sequel that is at stake: The Coming Antichrist!

    DAN BROWN’S COMING ANTICHRIST

    Dan Brown’s allusions to the Priory of Sion, and ipso facto to Rennes-le-Château, as the wealthy Abbé Bérenger Saunièr and Pierre Plantard—the alleged Grand Master of those secret societies who protect the direct descendants of the Merovingian Kings—is such a farce, that to afford any historic credibility to the claims of such only validates that those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are bound to reinvent them to their own liking . . . as the www.Priory-of-Sion.com so succinctly exposes . . . alas, there is something far more sinister beneath the initial conspiracies introduced in Dan Brown’s convolutions, but first, the historical revisionism of Pierre Plantard et al:

    ”Bérenger Saunière’s ‘wealth’ is a myth that first originated during the mid-1950s. Saunière’s entire estate was only valued at 18,000 Francs by the Credit Foncier de France in 1913 when Saunière had asked it for a loan because by that time he did not have enough money to even buy food.

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    “This was not the first time that Abbé Saunière had asked for a loan in order to eat. Abbé Saunière lived in poverty for most of his life except for the period between 1896-1905 and we have the relevant paperwork to prove it – Abbé Saunière lived from the selling of masses during the years 1896-1905 and the paperwork for that exists as well.

    Monsignor Billard, Abbé Saunière's Bishop, was far wealthier - he inherited over a million Francs in 1891 from a rich widow and he too, lived from selling masses and, like Abbé Saunière, was eventually to become suspended from his sacerdotal duties over allegations relating to financial impropriety within the Church.

    “Pierre Plantard was a lifelong charlatan and confidence trickster – his 1937-1954 activities involving confidence trickery, anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic activities are provided in File Ga P7 which is available for public inspection at the Paris Prefecture of Police, 9 Boulevard du Palais, 75195 Paris (Monsieur Claude Charlot, is the Director of Museum Archives of the Bureau of Associations at the Paris Prefecture of Police, for written enquiries).

    “References to Pierre Plantard’s criminal convictions are available for public inspection at the Sub-Prefecture of Saint Julien-en-Genevois, 4 Avenue de Geneve, 74164 Saint Julien-en-Genevois, Haute-Savoie (Monsieur Serge Champanhet, is the Secretary General of the Sub-Prefecture, for written enquiries – the letter dated 8 June 1956 by the Mayor of Annemasse to the Sub Prefect contained in File Number KM 94550 which holds the 1956 Priory of Sion Registration Documents must be cited in the written enquiry).

    “Pierre Plantard’s Judicial Archives are held in the Tribunal de Grand Instance de Thonon-les-Bains. But these unfortunately are not available for public inspection due to the French Privacy Law.

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    “Pierre Plantard got into serious trouble in 1993 with Judge Thierry Jean-Pierre because he claimed that Roger Patrice Pelat was a ‘Grand Master of the Priory of Sion’ - and the Judge was heading an investigation into Pelat’s activities that involved financial improprieties - it was following this incident in September 1993 that Plantard ceased his Priory of Sion activities and lived out the rest of his life in isolation.” (Paul Smith, Rennes-le-Château and the Bérenger Saunière Affair Chronology)

    Brown has managed to ascribe purposeful and/or inadvertent credibility to the thesis of one, Barbara Aho of Watch Unto Prayer Ministries (Florida). What Brown has accomplished by the success of his best-selling novel (and he is the first to admit that “the code” it is only a fictitious accounting), followed up by Ron Howard’s blockbuster, is to set the stage for the future Antichrist—Antichrist of European origins (no wonder then that the Europeans are so mesmerized by both the novel and the film). Brown, worse yet, has either intentionally (with ample deniability) or inadvertently (with literary license), opened the floodgates of ANTISEMITISM and given new life to the tenets of Aho’s conspiratorial network: THE ANTICHRIST IS A CRYPTO-CATHOLIC JEW!

    BARBARA AHO’s ANTI-SEMITIC ANTICHRIST

    In our article entitled THE ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW, Part II (BARBARA AHO’S MORIVINGIAN ANTICHRIST FROM THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN) we covered the research of Aho and discovered that Aho’s fabrications are riddled with anti-Semitic undertones—where the Antichrist is carried through Solomonic bloodlines until the Antichrist rises to ascend the throne of a revived Roman Empire. Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code and Ron Howard’s dramatization of it obscures the final destination and the anti-Semitic thesis of Aho!

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    Brown manages to capture the ESSENCE of the six-pointed Star of David, however, through Da Vinci’s triangles which are secretly superimposed upon the painting of the Last Supper, as well as elaborately inscribed within the architecture of both the Free Masons (dollar bill and pyramid) as well as the Louver itself-although the five-pointed Pentagram (a “Satanic symbol”) is used. Alas! The Magen David is naught but the symbol of the male (inverted “Δ”) and female (“V”)—Jesus and Mary Magdalene’s love child: Whence cometh the Antichrist! From European soil, no less!

    This revived European-Roman-Empire Antichrist is precisely where Dan Brown’s next sequel is heading—a virtual carbon copy of Aho’s thesis. We’re not saying that Brown plagiarized Aho or vise-a-versa; however, the similarities are glaring—but again, these “theories” have been around for decades! The slight variation in Brown v. the Board of Aho’s Conspiracies is Opus Dei. Brown has the conservative Catholic cultists linked (so it appears) in extinguishing the Merovingian bloodline and its mysteries to affirm Catholic supremacy and ipso facto the “God-Man myth,” whereas Aho acclaims Opus Dei’s founder, Jose Maria Escriva Balaguer, is the protector of the ultimate Antichrist (the Man Child of the union of Jesus and Mary Magdalene). However, Saint Escriva is a crypto-Catholic (progeny of converted Jews (Marrano) forced to accept Christianity under Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand in 1492+, hence the ascription: CRYPTO-CATHOLIC) whose personal Prelature with the Holy See gives its organization singular status among all Roman Catholic orders (i.e., its bishopric is not limited by location—it has international jurisdiction); thence, Saint Escriva falls into Aho’s conspiracy as the Jewish-crypto-Catholic Antichrist—THE BLACK POPE (although, in the end, the Jesuits somehow hold this dubious honor—for they too, according to Aho, are crypto-Catholics!).

    Many, if not most, of Brown’s fantasies parallel those of Aho’s—but why are we convinced that Brown’s sequel will mirror the triangulations of Barbara Aho? Because it is altogether predicated upon Aho’s “crypto-Catholic-Jewish Antichrist” who is destined to lead the nations of Europe to Armageddon.

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    Frankly—Brown has one pot full of “plot-lines” (let alone “bloodlines”) to navigate if he continues down this primrose path to conspiratorial oblivion—listen to Aho’s own words . . . and try to figure out if she’s just saying this “stuff” or really believes it herself (I think she does!):

    “According to Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Ormus evolved into the Order of the Prieuré de Sion of the Rosy Cross: ‘One is intended to see in Ormus the origins of the so-called Rose-Croix, or Rosicrucians. And in 1188 the Prieuré de Sion is said to have adopted a second subtitle in addition to Ormus. It is said to have called itself L’Ordre de la Rose-Croix Veritas... Ormus...[was] the name allegedly adopted by the Prieuré de Sion between 1188 and 1307.’ - 31:123,185
    “Charles Nodier, Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion from 1801-1884, averred that this secret order presided over a global network of secret societies: ‘There are a great many secret societies in operation, Nodier declares. But there is one, he adds, that takes precedence over all others, that in fact presides over all others. According to Nodier this ‘supreme’ secret society is called the Philadelphes. At the same time, however, he speaks of ‘the oath which forbids me to make them known under their social name.’ Nevertheless there is a hint of Sion...’ (31:152)
    In 1099, the Merovingian Jews in collusion with Pope Urban II, also a Merovingian, launched the First Crusade. An article titled The Merovingian Infiltration of the Christian World Through Monasticism confirms what we have long suspected, that Urban was not the first Merovingian pope, but the 6th in a succession of French Merovingian popes beginning in 999 A.D.”
    Aho goes on to quote such luminaries as Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas who apparently in their text, The Second Messiah, go out of their way to proclaim the original Knights Templar not only wanted to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem in accordance with Ezekiel’s predictions, but sought to deposit the “Holy Grail” (along with other “discovered” artifacts) at this newly-reconstituted prophetic temple, thus, proving that the Merovingian claims to a “divine dynasty” were actually true.
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    And, how could this be? Aho’s answer: Knight and Lomas “identify the Merovingian families which conspired with the Merovingian pope—truly a Jewish fifth column within the Catholic Church—to recapture the Holy Land.” (The Merovingian Dynasty – Satanic Bloodline of the Antichrist and False Prophet, Barbara Aho, www.watch.pair.com or Watch Unto Prayer Ministries) . . . now, the charades of Knight and Lomas:
    “The picture that was emerging was of a group of European noble families, descended from the Jewish lines of David and Aaron, who had escaped from Jerusalem shortly before, or possible (sic) even just after, the fall of the Temple. They had passed down the knowledge of the artifacts concealed within the Temple to a chosen son...of each family. Some of the families involved were the Counts of Champagne, Lords of Gisors, Lords of Payen, Counts of Fontaine, Counts of Anjou, de Bouillon, St. Clairs of Roslin, Brienne, Joinville, Chaumont, St Clair de Gisor, St Clair de Neg and the Hapsburgs...

    “By 1095, the members of the Rex Deus families group were almost certainly fully Christianized, yet each of them must have had at least one male member who held the traditional history of their high-born Jewish roots close to his heart. No doubt they saw themselves as ‘super-Christians’, descendants of the very first Church, and privy to the greatest secret this side of heaven. They were a silent elite — ‘the kings of God’.

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    “Indeed, the history books record that [Pope Urban II’s] leadership marked the papacy’s assumption of the leadership of Western Christendom...

    “If the Rex Deus group did exist, it is easy to see how the First Crusade provided these families with a ‘God-given’ opportunity to return to their Holy Temple to recover the treasure that was their birthright - and it would be done at exactly the same time that the Jewish writer of the Gospel of John the Divine had predicted! The Rex Deus families were at the forefront of the First, and every Crusade. Medieval scholars have long wondered why it should be that the same families drove all of the Crusades for their entire duration, and now we had a possible answer.

    “Once the Christian armies had secured Jerusalem, the non-Rex Deus leaders were quickly removed and the families infiltrated the Jerusalem monarchy and the Church, to ensure that they would not be blocked in the holy endeavor of the ‘Kings of God’ to regain what their ancestors had left for them...

    “...in 1114...[the Rex Deus group] told Baldwin [King of Jerusalem] that they wanted to post a small contingent of knights in Jerusalem to carry out some exploratory digging under the pretext of being...guardians of the highways for pilgrims... Unfortunately, the king was not persuaded... In 1118, Baldwin I died at the age of sixty (presumably of natural causes) and his cousin was rapidly crowned King Baldwin II of Jerusalem. Within weeks, nine French knights were camped on the site of Herod’s stables... The world was told their mission was to save the Christian pilgrims from the evil Muslim bandits, but their true mission was to locate and rescue the scrolls and treasures of the Jerusalem Church.” (96:79-83)

    Thus, Aho’s credible search for Holy Blood – Holy Grail – with the help of Knight and Lomas (along with Henry Lincoln), transfigures the Merovingian-Carolingian dynasties into the original bloodlines of ancient Jews who became the Rex Deus, infecting even the Crusader Kings of Jerusalem, Baldwin I and II, and, of course, the “Merovingian Popes!”

    Ah! What a tangled web we weave . . . .

    WHY ALERT THE BODY OF CHRIST TO THE NONSENSICAL CONSPIRACIES OF BROWN AND AHO?
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    Why? Because it is just this kind of wrong-thinking and idiocy that concocted the likes of Mein Kampf, the amplification of Madame Blavatsky’s Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and the death of Six Million Jews—let along the evolutionary racial superiorities (speaking of bloodlines) of National Socialism: Capitalism’s Dark Side!

    Listen up: Fascism’s breeding ground is Corptocracy run amok! It is altogether fertile soil for conspiratorial theories which lend themselves—in order to justify the accumulation of inordinate wealth to the few—to such despicable effronteries.

    Aho and Brown have little idea that they are playing with fire—or maybe they do! Whatever the case—they are plowing the soils of discontent and conspiracy that will one day reap the whirlwind and bring about their worst fears and conjectures as they set the scene for the final ANTICHRIST.
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    But, this still does not answer the WHY? Once again, the Aho-Brown Axis of Distortion—though Brown innocently knows his repetitions of Aho’s deliberations are fantasyland—centers upon a Euro-Centric Antichrist.

    We cannot dismiss this contrivance as an innocent deflection—it has a purposeful (perhaps unbeknownst to Brown, Aho, or for that matter, Constance Cumbey and her Javier Solano EU-Antichrist). Notwithstanding, we will not allow a “pass” to those Premillenarian Euro-Centric and secular allies (like Brown) nor the hoopla stirring amongst European capitals—that with all this smoke, there’s bound to be some fire (i.e., Antichrist will arise from Europe, shrouded in Brown-Aho-Cumbey-Euro-Centric conspiracies).

    ANTICHRIST IS THE LEADER OF THE WEST—THE LEADER OF THE WEST IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DUH!)

    Hollywood’s intrusion—and for that matter, Dan Brown, Barbara Aho, Constance Cumbey, Ron Howard, Tom Hanks, Tim LaHaye-Hal Lindsey, along with virtually the whole Euro-Centric Premillenarian Revived Euro-Roman Empire eschatologists (excluding a few Brits), etc.—reveals that every last one of them are AMERICANS! And, oddly enough—they’ve got the Europeans eating out of their conspiratorial hands!

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    Now, think of it—isn’t it fascinatingly strange that the religio-political environment of America would concoct such a farce right about now? Not really? If I were to launch a D-Day invasion of Europe right about now (oddly enough June 6, 2006 is right around the corner) I would launch a major distraction so that Field Marshal Erwin Rommel’s panzer divisions would abide at Caen—which is precisely what happened.

    Simply put: “Lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices” (II Corinthians 2:11).

    Myths have a way of sinking into the psyche of a people, a nation—witness the Aryan myth and what happened to Hitler’s Germany! Does history repeat itself? Come on now—to deny otherwise is the height of ignorance or secular enlightenment and the pride that goes with it!

    These are not a bunch of superficial Americans bantering about century-old Euro-conspiracies for readership and money (although that’s in view here as well)—no, no, no—they know full-well that Europeans are altogether predisposed to such jargon and charade—no wonder more Italians flocked to The Da Vinci Code than any other film ever released in Italy—right in front of the Holy See! And, tragically, they validate American suspicions of harboring the final Antichrist; indeed, the Americans are “at it again!” There’s nothing like a good offense to counter a faulty defense.

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    To ascribe eschatological credibility to the Euro-Centric Antichrist is preposterous, deceptive, ludicrous, and altogether ingenuous of the Americans. The most influential Roman Catholic nation on the planet is America (and that’s not a stupid, arrogant American speaking here). The fact that nigh 70 million American Roman Catholics is disproportionate in so far as their numbers go is blatant religious fact! That influence swells when one considers the militancy of their Evangelical social allies—thereby catapulting the figures to nigh 220 million, since nearly 50% of the American population claims to be “born-again” or evangelical).

    Am I proposing an “American religious conspiracy” – PRECISELY! Most conspiracy participants have no idea they are part and parcel of such grandiose schemes—neither does this religious conspiracy. Most certainly, they utterly have no idea that what they are concealing is the true source from whence the Antichrist shall spring!

    What is of interest here is the American secular-Hollywood-oriented “community” which has inadvertently hitched itself (because unbeknownst to them they have been infected by “American culture” as well—whatever that is) to this religious conspiracy; thereby, perpetuating the allusion that America is not the 11th Horn—the final outcropping of the Latter Days’ Antichrist (Daniel 7:7-8) . . . (pardon the insertions of my commentary):

    “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts (Note: Including Alexander the Great and the Grecian Empire of Daniel 7:6—for those who conjecture that this “fourth beast” is the extension of Alexander’s Empire) that were before it, and it had ten horns (Note: These are the same “ten horns” mentioned in Revelation 12:3; 13:1—the same “ten horns” who give ultimate authority to the 11th Horn, the Beast in Revelation 17:13—the same who “will give their power and authority to the beast”). I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little (i.e., as in “younger”) one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots (Note: Some affirm these to be colonial England, France, and Spain—all of whom colonized the United States of America, but were uprooted to give place to the 11th Horn—both a Kingdom with a King). And there, in the horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man (Note: Proving the immediacy and personification of the ultimate Antichrist), and a mouth speaking pompous words (Lit. “great things” – an allusion to “Babylon the Great”).

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    A better read on the origins of Antichrist is not found in the writings of Dan Brown, Constance Cumbey, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey nor, especially those of Barbara Aho—but in the present releases of both Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) and former Secretary of Sate, Madeleine Albright (The Mighty & The Almighty). It is here in the hegemonic “soils” of Americana and her aspirations to be that “City set on a Hill which cannot be hid” that we find the false premise and erroneous theses of Aho-Brown/Howard-Cumbey-LaHaye-Lindsay et al are utterly exposed for what they are: A BEWITCHING BREW OF FALSEHOOD AND IRRELEVANT LIES AND CONSPIRATORIAL DISPERSIONS! (And, NO, I do not apologize for the severity of these remarks because it’s blatantly true!)
    If I were to warn the citizens of Kingman, AZ, that Hoover Dam has just burst (akin to NBC’s Apocalypse 10.5 recently aired in May, 2006) I would not do so in tones approaching sanity—NO! I would be beside myself in alerting all Kingman’s citizens to flee!

    The popularity of turn-of-the-century Euro-Centric Antichrist eschatology and associated new-age conspiracies is tantamount to reassuring the citizens of Kingman that all is well—knowing full-well that Hoover Dam has burst and the Kingmanites are about to be destroyed by a fifty-foot wall of boiling water!

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    At least the redo of THE OMEN 666 (from The Omen, 1976) has gotten it right—i.e., the Antichrist is of American origin. I guess you just can’t keep the truth from Hollywood . . . and, maybe, just maybe, the American people are not as dumb or as smart as the Europeans think we are!

    “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth (Note: Not only individuals but also kingdoms—all decidedly “Western” in their evolution of authority and jurisdiction.). ‘But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’ Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up (Note: Juxtaposed to the ten horns is the 11th horn—make no doubt about this distinction!), before which three fell, namely that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words (i.e., The ANTICHRIST), whose appearance was greater than his fellows (i.e., if you would, FELLOW EUROPEANS), I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom . . . .

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    “The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth (i.e., The Ancient Roman Empire), which shall be different from all other kingdoms (including that of Alexander the Great’s Grecian Empire), and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces. The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom (Note: Hence, the notion that the Revived Roman Empire is the source of Antichrist—and it is, but ACROSS THE POND!), AND ANOTHER SHALL RISE AFTER THEM (obviously, my emphasis—just in case you don’t get the drift—and “double drift” – this “one” is not just a King—but possesses a KINGDOM as well); he shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings. He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law, then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time (Note: This is the last half of the Great Tribulation spoken of in Revelation 11: 2 and 11:7-10 and confirms the final half of Daniel’s 70th Week—the persecution of BOTH Israel and the Church, the Two Witnesses of the Almighty upon the earth—and, no again, I do not apologize by committing the finality of God’s witnesses to their appropriate and Biblical foundations!) . . .

    “But the court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion (i.e., the dominion of the 11th Horn, the Antichrist), to consume and destroy it forever, then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him. This is the end of the account” (Daniel 7:23-28)

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    No wonder then we hear this glorious proclamation as a result of Babylon the Great’s judgment and the demise of Antichrist immediately preceding the verdict of the heavenly court upon the Beast:


    “Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!’” (Revelation 11:15 – to the end of the chapter—vs. 16-19).

    Dear friend and foe—THIS is the ultimate legacy of Antichrist—THIS is not fantasy, nor a fabrication of Dan Brown; and, most certainly, this IS an affront to the Euro-Centric Antichrist afflicting scores of well-meaning, but wholly deceived brethren (Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox—especially the evangelicals amongst them).

    The BOOK OF BOOKS is NOT a series of dislocated, disjointed, randomly arranged metaphors, literary jewels, and meaningless symbols which fuel today’s conspiratorial rage! As much as Brown & Co. wish to (intentionally or unintentionally) disguise and obfuscate the true origins of Antichrist and/or popularize the convoluted conspiracies of Barbara Aho et al (socio-religious fertilizer for Brown’s sequel: ANTICHRIST: THE LOVE-CHILD OF JESUS-MAGDALENE), their hypotheses are severely skewed, unbiblical, and flat-out falsehoods.

    Furthermore, they are exceedingly dangerous—because an already ill-prepared world has focused their attention “elsewhere!” Normandy is where the action is—not Caen! Oddly enough, and I don’t mean to sound conspiratorial, but peculiar timing it is that this year’s commemoration of D-Day occurs on 6-6-06—666!
    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/dougkrieger/davinci_code.htm

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