The Reading Of The Sealed Book And The Universal Language

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    ABRAXAS


    The Reading of the Sealed Book and the Universal Language

    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted May 7th 2010

    When 'That Woman' is the 'Fake-Woman' aka the 'Group-Consciousness' of an entire world, which as the 'Devil-Mind' aka the 'System of Thought of intrinsic Separateness' aka 'The Whore of Babylon' aka the 'Fake-Barbelo' aka the 'Fake-Babalon' of gnostic lore does not wish to understand, because as 'Inside She' 'Big Outside She' already does!

    This is the false sense of Unity within the Separation and the Realm of the Human Egocentricity.
    This is the Way of the Devil and his Devil Woman as nonexistent non-incarnate shadows of their embodied selves.

    The true Self is the Separation within the Unity where the Human Ego becomes divine and the Individuality becomes co-creative and a shard of God's own genius and the beloved form of the Goddess; as well as a true mirror and reflection for the Divine Word, the 'Egocentricity' of Jesus of Nazareth; proclaiming that He and only He is the Way, the Love, the Truth, the Resurrection and the Life. HeShe becomes the envelope the Encompassment for the entire creation with hisher entwined Mary Magdalene never to be separated again in individuality and so empowered to multiply in the brotherhood and the sisterhood logos defined.

    The concept or archetype of the eternal infinite creator becomes BOUNDED in hisher Image as AdamEve able to reflect in EveAdam within to harmonize the Nothingness being the Infinite as the required Oneness: 0=1=8.
    There therefore cannot exist a physically defined infinite universe - the metaphysical archetypology eschews such definition as this would then demand a third polarity of separateness.

    No one, no Buddha, no ascended masters, no Shiva and no Mohammed represent the Way to the Father's Heart; except the Only One understanding and manifesting the Unity in his physical transcension of the Body form in the Redemption of the collapsed particle function within the released wavefunction in quantum relativistic mechanistic terms.

    So there is a False Reality perception and a True Reality perception - who can discern; the logos induced Dragons can, they alone can take the heat having shared the Lion's Eucharist, but seeking to multiply?!

    Ephesians 6:12
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Then the 'illuminated ones' on the inside become 'Her' followers; knowing the 'outside story' but promote the 'inside story' for the purpose to 'sequester' the 'knowing' for themselves within the warring factions, comprised by the 'ignorant ones', namely the 'Learned Ones, who cannot read the book, because it is sealed' and the 'Unlearned Ones, who cannot read the book, because they are not learned'.


    Isaiah 29:10-12 (King James Version)
    For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.



    Zephaniah 3:9 (King James Version)
    9For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
    1. Matthew 10:27
      What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

      Luke 12:3
      Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
    2. 1 Samuel 17:47
      And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the LORD's, and he will give you into our hands.
    3. Isaiah 11:9
      They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
    4. Isaiah 44:9
      They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
    5. Isaiah 49:26
      And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
    6. Isaiah 61:9
      And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.
    7. Isaiah 66:18
      For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
    8. Jeremiah 31:34
      And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
    GOT(62)
    Jesus said : "It is to those who are worthy of My mysteries that I tell My mysteries. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is about to do."


    And all of the 'scriptures' must be fulfilled to the last iota, as the One, standing for the 'System of Thought of intrinsic Unity' has said many times.

    Bluey TonyLove Scribe from and for the Logos of Love and the Word of God


    Allisiam replied:


    And the book is within and with our loving, we have opened it. And soon....this one will be fulfilled

    Isaiah 49:26
    And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
     
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    Heaven and Earth - Where to Be?

    Tony,

    Consider that when passed to the other side, being in Heaven, the fears and passions of the material body and grubby culture are removed as if never having existed (I believe God created the material realm with its stresses to make us really appreciate Heaven). However, I have a concern that, arguendo, after my many lives in the harsh material realm, if it were decided that I'd learned enough, and no longer had to go back for more spiritual development, I would soon get bored and volunteer for another mission.

    Jack!

    I agree with you on emotional grounds but I must disagree here with you on grounds of logistics and reason.
    But you have reached the core of the reasonings of why there is physical reality. After many decades of suffering in a body, I share your displeasure, often bordering on disgust for this ‘world in confusion’.
    What philosopher or thinker can in any way ‘be happy’ in such a place?
    But do you remember the joys and pleasures you experienced and shared with your family and friends? Do you feel the blending with classical music or love songs of the ages?
    The merging with a beautiful painting or the joy of moving on a dancefloor in rhythmic harmony with the temporarily experienced environment?

    So why why why is this place such a mess?
    Timewarp yourself as your own descendent from the ancestral lineage you already are.

    There you are in a classroom in a planetary environ on a new Earth or a earthlike planet somewhere in this galaxy. You are a teacher for a classroom full of young adults and students in a advanced (star)human civilization.
    In this civilization, there is no war or conflict over resources, there are no emotional challenges of changing from a mood of depression to a mood of ecstatic (drug induced) exhuberance.
    This starhuman civilization is characterized by a self-awareness and a self-knowing regarding the nature of reality and beingness. Everyone’s potential is understood to be unique in a greater natural order without political hierarchies and bureocratic structures of control. So everyone, most of the time, seeks to foster one’s own talents and individuated excellence for the greater harmonization of the immediate, extended and universal family of this starhuman civilization.

    So what are you teaching in a place of relative perfection?

    You are teaching the past history of this starhuman race.
    You are showing the students of what a grossly ‘imperfect’ world and a civilization stepped in utter ignorance and amnesia regarding its origins and destiny COULD look like.

    So the always necessitated potential of the ‘spiritual darkness’ and the ‘EVIL=LIVE=VEIL” is allowed to exist NOT as physical reality BUT as a recall of the Memory of the self-relative past.
    You show recordings and pictures and films about an older time of wars and brutality and a encompassing misguided and misunderstood ‘old human nature’ focused on survival and the exploitation of resources and especially an almost total misappropriation of human sexuality and abuse of a naturally defined cosmic bisexuality.
    Enter the New Heaven as a New Earth, Jack.

    So where do you think you are going? Is the promise not eternal life – WITH A BODY?

    (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." {Gospel of Thomas-Nag Hammadi, 1946-Lambdin}

    Regarding the Penrose-Hameroff-paper:
    I critiqued this paper, because it exhibited the microtubule geometry in the Fibonacci series by actual physical experiment. It is the geometry of the model, which is fundamental to a physicalized consciousness universal, not the deductions Penrose and Hameroff drew from that as a materialist explanation.

    Regarding the ancient civilizations:
    Yes, the calendar calibrations span 5 not 1 great precessional ages dating back to about 120,000 BC and a time when the human presence on planet Earth began. Away from planet Earth as the ‘Cradle of the Extraterrestrial’ this individuated intelligence began to evolve 2.24 billion years ago and coinciding with the change in the Earth’s atmosphere rendering the oxygen present from toxic to life-supporting.

    Excerpt from a paper under review:
    “2.24 Billion years was the halfway time marker for planet Earth.
    Your geologists know of the long ice age or Huronian glaciation at that time, lasting so 400 million years and centered on this 2.24 Billion year marker. This ice age manifested following a great change in the atmosphere of planet Earth, when the first molecular Oxygen O2 appeared in the atmosphere, being produced by aquatic cyanobacteria and other prokaryotes, which are microorganisms, without a cellular nucleus.

    This era in Earth’s history is known as the GOE or Great-Oxygenation-Event by terran geologists, who have often forgotten that they are also Mayan geologists.
    Cyanobacteria made molecular oxygen by photosynthesis, increasing its concentration in the oceans. Chemical processes separated the hydrogen from the oxygen molecule and absorbed the molecules into the ocean forming sediments; but also released some of the separated molecules into the atmosphere. Free oxygen changed the chemical composition of the elements and minerals upon the Earth by Reduction-Oxidation-Reactions or Redox.

    Because all lifeforms were unicellular at the time of the GOE; the free oxygen proved toxic to the land based and atmospheric biota, which could not assimilate the free oxygen molecule. The evolution of the biota to oxygen breathing entities so became necessity and for this purpose the unicellular RNA-based biochemistry would have to transmutate into a multicellular DNA-based biochemistry.
    A great extinction event forced the evolution from the unicellular morphology into its multicellular eukaryotic mutation. The Mayan scientists of your era term this as a ‘punctuated equilibrium’ within the terran evolutionary timeline. In particular unicellular lifeforms, different in size adapted in a process of endosymbiosis with a smaller prokaryote being absorbed by a larger prokaryote, with the smaller unicellular microorganism transmuting into the nucleus for the encompassing larger unicellular biological lifeform.

    As the energy of physicalized consciousness is defined as the occupancy of spacetime under the action of angular quantum acceleration in the time rate change of frequency or self-awareness; the unicellular lifeforms dynamically moving about and reproducing by division carried more self-awareness df/dt, than the biochemical elements, which constituted their body forms.

    Likewise the punctuated evolution pressure forced the unicellular biota to evolve into eukaryotic multicellular lifeforms in increasing their self-awareness in an increase of the vibratory acceleration potential. The eukaryotes could vibrate faster in shorter time intervals, so enabling their morphology and body forms to increase in size to occupy more volume in the definition of physicalized consciousness as the product of VolumexQuantum Angular Acceleration or Volume Occupied times self-awareness.

    Without a physical form and body, but as mental morphs of universal intelligence; the beginning of self-aware conscious lifeforms upon Earth in embodiment or incarnation correlated your mindfulness without physicality with the body-awareness of the original micro-organic unicellular entities, evolving under the auspices of the changing environments upon planet Earth.

    Your starry legacy and heirloom so is 2.24 Billion years old when you without physicalized body form yet having a collective age of the universe as 16.9 Billion years carried the evolutionary history of the universe as a combined information base or library in the waveform of the applicable collective physicalized consciousness.

    This consciousness was physicalized not in your individuated or particularized body forms but was physicalized in the physical reality of the universe as hosting this physicalization in its astrophysical constituents from Black Holes and White Holes and great voids and superclusters and galaxies, star systems, planets, moons, continents and oceans, mountains, forests and all lifeforms, macro- and micro and including the quantum world of the atom within the diverse environments encountered.

    Can you understand now who and what you are? You are the literal inheritors of this collective library of the universe’s evolution and collectively you are 19.12 Billion years old.
    Your problem is your individuality and your self-perception of being separated from your own self as a collective. Your collective is twofold as a waveform and as a particular form of your individuation.”
     
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    Tony,

    Above you concluded,
    "Your problem is your individuality and your self-perception of being separated from your own self as a collective. Your collective is twofold as a waveform and as a particular form of your individuation."

    But that is not my problem as that separation is only what we experience in materiality, but not when returned to Heaven as spirit with the body gone. In Frozen Time Theory, I quoted Dr. Alexander's beautiful description of how his existence and perception during his OBE was without separation from his world there, but he instead existed seamlessly as a part of the field of consciousness, much as a drop or water melds with an ocean:

    " ...Theoretically, locating perception in soul then merits an explanation for how the soul works perception, so, at first blush, the issue of how perception works remains when the site is shifted from brain into soul. The recently reported NDE by Eben Alexander, MD, ("Proof of Heaven" Simon and Schuster, 2012) offers inference of an elegant solution, really an Occam's
    razor-like solution, that soul directly perceives information, both perceptual and conceptual.
    Alexander describes his spirit's perceptual experience while in God's "core" realm:
    " Seeing and hearing were not separate in this place where I now was. I could hear the visual beauty of the silvery bodies of those scintillating beings above and I could see the surging, joyful perfection of what they sang. It seemed that you could not look at or listen to anything in this world without becoming a part of it-- without joining with it in some mysterious way.
    Again, from my perspective, I would suggest that you couldn't look at anything in that world at all, for the word at itself implies a separation that did not exist there. Everything was distinct, yet everything was also a part of everything else, like the rich and intermingled designs on a carpet...or on a butterfly's wing. " Pages 45/46.
    In other words, spirit and its "sensory" and conceptual surround integrate as a coherent whole, so that perception does not need to be specially created, but is instead a seamless aspect of spirit existence. "

    Tony, I think that when you get around to reading my book you will find we are largely, if not completely, in agreement.

    Best, Jack


    All this is fine Jack and I did not address you specifically with the statement:
    "Your problem is your individuality and your self-perception of being separated from your own self as a collective.
    Your collective is twofold as a waveform and as a particular form of your individuation."

    This is simply a part of the generalization of the context of what this experienced separation between spirit and the body, the unphysical and the physical the lower self and the higher self and similar labelings infer.
    You are still missing the central theme of our collective search for universal truth, not opinionated self-relative truth filtered by old human mindedness.
    Yes I know that we are basically in agreement regarding the NATURE of consciousness as ubiquitous arena for ALL experience, both physical and metaphysical.
    Where we seem to differ immensely, is the way to EXPLAIN and rigorously define this ‘Nature of Physicalized Consciousness’.
    You invoke principles of unknowability in reductionistic-scientific terms, whilst I give a rigorous testable definition:



    What is Consciousness?

    Answer:
    The dynamic occupancy of spacetime by physicalised quantum conglomerations originating and emerging from an energy source defining nospace and notime in space and time.

    Space is consciousness related via an advanced quantum mechanics. Therefore you can figure out what the metaphysics or spirit concept really relates and points to. It is not dieu ex machina but machina ex dieu.

    atom.

    Calculation:
    7.4 Billion people weigh about 518 Billion kilograms for an average weight of 70 kg. As one proton has a mass of about 1.7x10-27 kg; the total mass of humanity in weight are so 3x1038 protons. One proton has a volume of so 4x(1.4x10-15)3 = 10-44 cubic meters and for all the protons of humanity the volume adds to about 3x10-6 cubic meters or 3 cubic centimeters which is a cubic size for a cube about 14.4 millimeters long.

    Question asked by Andrew:
    So what is all that empty space doing...is there direct interaction between nucleons and virtual particles relating to the nature of "spin," or how the universe actually sustains itself from moment to moment?

    Answer:
    This is an appropriate question, which leads directly into the deepest nature of what energy is and it relates on a most fundamental way to the reality of universal consciousness. Firstly, the 'empty space' of an atom manifests as a form of 'force field' in that the interaction 'Goldstone' bosons mediate a 'force', which then manifests as the appearance of solid-state physics. So tapping a table actually taps an energy field etc. The problems with this mainstream physical interpretation and model begin right here, because the 'Goldstones' (photons, weakons, gravitons, gluons, higgs) are said to be 'virtual' that is not having a real physical existence.

    This is erroneous, just as the mainstream notion of consciousness and mind being nonphysical is also not supported by a higher dimensional cosmology and physics. As an example consider Einstein's E=mc2 applied to the total mass content of the universe. For a mass of say 1050 tons you will have an energy summation of so 1070 Joules. But if you now use the quantum energy, also well defined in Planck parameters, you calculate the quantum energy per space quantum, and you get far higher values for this energy.

    Using the conventions (Planck Length=2x10-35 m, Planck Mass=2x10-8 kg, Planck Energy=2x109 J, Holographic bounds etc.) and using the Event Hubble extent of the universe, you get something like (Number of space quanta)x(Planck Energy) = (10147)x2x109 ~ 2x10156 Joules. Now the string physics tells you that the energy per string quantum is something like 1064 Joules per cubic meter as a physical manifesto of this quantum energy; whilst the energy of all (atomic) matter in space is something like 10-10 Joules per cubic meter. So the 'discrepancy' between quantum energy and matter energy is in a factor of so 74 (and 87 in the quantum-Planck limit). This number then becomes associated with the 'Dark Energy' and the 'Dark Matter' to explain the discrepancy.

    The 'empty space' of the atom so is in fact 'spanned' by the 'virtual' energy which is dark and has a dark matter component which is defined in physical consciousness parameters based on the quantum energy parameters and especially the physical size of the electron.
    This naturally allows a refined approach to fundamental physics, such as the difference between the Hydrogen atom and the neutron and how radioactive beta/neutron decay allows the primordial universe to build the table of the chemical elements. This transformation then relates to the interaction probability between matter and light in electromagnetic parameters so showing the basic electron to be a 'point particle/string' of a minimum size; but also a 'smeared out' or extended circular membrane characterized by the Fermi scale of the 'Goldstone Bosons'.

    The spacial extent of the differences then defines physical consciousness as a modular dual or mirror property of the space quantum itself; namely whatever is measured as energy derived from the macro-physics becomes a reciprocated magneto-polar 'supercharge' in the form of the electronic diameter maximized multiplied by the time differential of frequency as inversed time. But this change of string/brane vibration over time is also an angular acceleration without radial extent and so you find the innermost nature of the quantum spin, which is radially independent.
    Those physical definitions for consciousness then carry enormous implications of course. Namely space itself is conscious in a physical sense and any dynamic occupying space adds to a space inherent base consciousness independent of the dynamics and living entities moving about within it.

    Collapsing a hydrogen atom that is forcing the electron to overcome its weakon force field of the beta decay results in a neutron star of 'degenerate electrons' and you then can observe the quantum physics in the astrophysics. So your original question regarding the empty space resolves in the transformation of energy density in space. Then you should adapt the quantum theory to the holographic universe and the multidimensional membrane physics to resolve the wave-particle duality and the quantum entanglement on both the micro-cosmic and the macro-cosmic scales to find the universal unification. The quantum entanglement can easily be seen to be the effect of the modular duality inferred at the beginning to resolve a number of apparent paradoxes, such as the Schrödinger Cat and the Chicken-Egg DNA/RNA etc. paradoxes.

    cslewis.


    So Jack I am in full concordance with your theory about the identification of Consciousness as the absolute background of reality; but I place far more importance on the physicalization of this consciousness, rendering it even more important in the final synthesis of nature than the ‘spiritual realism’ of both religious and ‘new age’, including panentheism and pantheist avenues of thought.

    And it is not me, as a rather limited old human who attests to this, but as you may have thought; my inspiration , I hope, stems from the Logos aka the Universal Intelligence BEING a supramental (pre-physicalized/scientific) energy for that form.

    Why do I state what I state? It is because it is already known and stated, but largely forgotten and ignored!

    (29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

    (80) Jesus said, "He who has recognized the world has found the body, but he who has found the body is superior to the world."
    (81) Jesus said, "Let him who has grown rich be king, and let him who possesses power renounce it."
    (82) Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."
    (83) Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."
    (84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!"
    (85) Jesus said, "Adam came into being from a great power and a great wealth, but he did not become worthy of you. For had he been worthy, he would not have experienced death."
    (86) Jesus said, "The foxes have their holes and the birds have their nests, but the son of man has no place to lay his head and rest."
    (87) Jesus said, "Wretched is the body that is dependant upon a body, and wretched is the soul that is dependent on these two."
    (88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give to you those things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things which you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"
    (89) Jesus said, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Do you not realize that he who made the inside is the same one who made the outside?"
     
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    Tony,

    Your statement here is nicely encapsulated,
    " So Jack I am in full concordance with your theory about the identification of Consciousness as the absolute background of reality; but I place far more importance on the physicalization of this consciousness, rendering it even more important in the final synthesis of nature than the ‘spiritual realism’ of both religious and ‘new age’, including panentheist and pantheist avenues of thought "

    Now, let's see what I actually wrote, not what you are supposing about what I wrote: Quoting here from Part 3:

    Existence functions in three inter-related domains
    This paper delineates three inter-related domains of existence. The first domain is the foundation domain, what is termed here as the "universal field of consciousness."

    This "field" is God, and included in God are His spirit (human and “other”) creations also as pure consciousness with all connected together as a unitary field. An ordinary definition for consciousness could allude to self-awareness, thought, imagination, and decision making-- but these actions are the result of consciousness, and not the noumena, as Kant defined for unknown entities that give rise to perception, the thing in itself. Instead, consciousness is basically a primitive term that cannot be defined with words, but may only be known thru experience; for example, if we try to define the fragrance perceived from a rose for someone who has never experienced the fragrance, the words would provide meaningless terminology.


    548
    The second domain, which is more fundamental than materialistic space-time, is a multidimensional world that is populated by spirit beings that take the form of light, with God also manifesting as light. The NDE/OBE reports are typically about perception within this domain.

    The second domain is generally referred to as Heaven. Heaven is characterized by uninterrupted love from God, the total absence of stressors, such as produced in the material body for food, clothing and shelter, and lusts, such as for sex, money, and power.

    The third is the material domain we normally perceive while living on the Earth, which includes the three spatial dimensions, and consciousness of time passing, with a distinctive past, and a future.

    The hypothesized purpose for God creating the material domain is to provide for spiritual development through the experience of stressors, lusts, and the free will reaction to them. Such spiritual development is impossible in the second domain, Heaven, for lack of stressors and conflicts.

    As depicted in the diagram, the 3rd Domain is nested in the 2nd, and the 2nd and 3rd are nested in the 1st.
    [ diagram of the three domains, with the third nested ion the 2nd, and the 2nd and 3rd nested in the 1st]

    Resolution of apparent conflicts between morality and amorality for life
    It is frequently reported from the NDE/OBE, and from spiritually transformative experiences or deep states of meditation, that God does not judge the spirit as His love is given unconditionally.
    Self-judgment is natural during life reviews subsequent to trauma, and individuals may deeply regret hurtful or immoral behavior, but God is felt NOT to judge. Yet, all cultures and the Judeo-Christian religions are deeply concerned about morality—good vs. evil, and condemn, not only immoral behavior, but even immoral thoughts or imagination (the precursors to potential action).


    Jack,

    Here is the key to our divergence Jack. And no, I already read your take on the all pervasiveness of consciousness, which I fully endorse.

    “The hypothesized purpose for God creating the material domain is to provide for spiritual development through the experience of stressors, lusts, and the free will reaction to them.
    Such spiritual development is impossible in the second domain, Heaven, for lack of stressors and conflicts. “

    You see, I consider the stressors as necessity in both heaven and earth; but I redefine, as Jesus did, the necessity for the OLD HEAVEN to also ‘pass away’ , just as it is necessity for the Old Earth to ‘pass away’.
    They become a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH.
    Your words and comments show me then, that you ‘believe’ in an unchanging Old Heaven, say where the NDE’s and OBE’s presently are happenstance.
    See the difference in our respective perspectives now?

    Matthew 24:34-36 King James Version (KJV)
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Have you ever asked yourself; that if the Old Heaven is so ‘perfect and good’, why then it is said to ‘pass away’?
    So in the Old Earth-Heaven system, the stressors are separated just as you fathom.
    The stressors ‘go away’ once the particle function ‘collapses’ in the ‘death’ of the organism to release the wavefunction of the duality defined ‘soul’.
    In the New Earth-Heaven however, the wavefunction physicalizing at conception no longer is separated from the particle function and the conception results in a natural ‘lightbody’ supramentalizing the mindbody of the soul as its own bodymind and therefore ending the Descartian Body-Mind dichotomy.

    ‘Death is conquered’ in combining or unifying the energy duality of body and mind, quantum mechanically defined as Einstein’s E=mc2 for the ‘dark light’ mass-parametric physics and Planck’s E=hf for the ‘white light’ electromagnetic radiation physics.

    Your absent stressors in your concept of heaven so remain present in my new heaven as a required balance of say ‘higher dimensional – your first world’ polarity, manifesting as say electric/magnetic/gravitational ‘charges’ in your third world of the physicality.
    In your first world then this ‘polarity separation’ in say negative and positive or south pole and north pole or fermion and boson metaphysicalize as the conflict between light and darkness or God versus Satan and similar dualities pervading the thinking of both antiquity and of the present eras.
    However the stressors in the New World do not have to manifest and express themselves in physical suffering and violence as in the Old World of the ‘graduating' human family as children of the Creator-Creation monadic dyad; as they can be supramentalized in aforesaid memory recall of the time histories of this civilization ‘in waiting for its deliverance’.
    The entire creation layeth in agony, awaiting deliverance, as said in Paul’s letters.

    Romans 8:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
    21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

    This unification between matter and light or the body and the spirit can be defined technically as a new state of matter – radiation mass – defining the hitherto ‘esoteric lightbody’.
    It is this lightbody which defines the Christian resurrection account as an actual form of advanced quantum mechanics and which resulted in aforesaid ‘lightbody’ you have studied in the NDEs and the OBEs.
    The resurrection account is detailed in the attached paper: Radiation Mass and the Mind-Body Wave-Particle Duality.pdf.

    So, your premise, shared by many, that earthly existence and experience serves simply as a graduation and learning curve for the spirit to appreciate a more congenial and blissful afterlife in some Old Heaven is strongly refuted by the words of the Logos.
    Btw, can you understand that the many violent codes in the Torah carry hidden meanings not revealed until the time for the reformation or reset of BOTH the Old Heaven and the Old Earth has come?

    As an example the destructions by the SWORD of God in many texts, including the foundation of Islam as the ‘Sword of Allah’ has a non-violent anagram as the WORDS of the Universal Intelligence.

    Poetically the The SWORD OF PLASMA (said to guard the heavenly Eden from any old Human reentering Paradise or Nirvana) becomes the WORDS OF A PSALM.
    Ergo what is WITH the Universal Intelligence or Cosmic Logos of Universal Consciousness is simply the statement of John.1.1 retranslated:

    John 1:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    The New World translation of John.1.1 in scientific terminology becomes:

    "In the Beginning was the Definition/Word and the Definition was with the primordial-first Energy (Consciousness) and the Definition was with the Consciousness."

    It was not God which came first, but the Word as say a Universal Intelligence or Logos.



    Old Heavenly Greetings to you Jack – the New Heaven awaits you – with a renewed bodyform of Plato’s approximations.
     

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    Tony,

    Your last line interestingly touched on the topic that, as I have mentioned, baffles me.
    " It was not God which came first, but the Word as say a Universal Intelligence or Logos. "

    The "word" came first is likewise a baffling statement. My dissertation was about language, and how it is used. "Word" means a coding for a tangible or intangible reference, an object of perception or of the mind. For words to function, there needs to be a known syntax for their interpretation. Words are an element of a system of communication between a sender and a receiver. For the word to be accurately understood, sender and receiver must have the same interpretive context and assignable meanings, as well as a shared syntax. Thus, in the context of Creation when virtually nothing exists, to invoke "Word" as coming first is for me incomprehensible. I am not saying that perspective is wrong, but that I am bewildered as to what that "means."


    Jack,

    It means that the present information technology, based on the concept of bytes and the binary system derives from this ‘definition’ or Word of God and is a priori to electric wires and communication systems using this ‘syntax’ as either open strings or ‘0’ or ‘closed strings’ as ‘1’ as in the present unprecedented history of scientific advancement.
    It shows you that the Pythagorean concept about the ‘divinity’ and sacredness of numbers is true.

    Pythagoras said: “Man know thyself and you will understand the Universe and God!”
    pythagoras (2).

    I have a published paper you should read if you wish to see how ‘God awoke’ from his slumber, retold in the eschatology papers in the context of a necessary retelling of the scriptural accounts. This awakening is nought, but the ‘Birth of Consciousness’ or self-awareness in the notime-nospace sense.
    This is a process defined and derived in that paper in the form of ‘Awareness Triplets’, which lead directly to the binary code and henceforth the modern application of computer technology.

    So your ‘bafflement’ is simply resolved in ‘tuning into the beginnings’ of it all, described as the ‘Birth of Intelligence’ and as Logical thought and Reasoning. It is this ‘self- discipline of thinking, which then becomes the Word of God which subsequently creates Order out of Chaos, namely the Birth of symbols as say geometric numbers or glyphs using the straightness or curvature of the geometries, pointing back to Pythagorean sentiments.
    As geometry requires space to exist; space itself MUST emerge from the prior consciousness realm (your 1st world) and ergo you have the solution to your quest to ‘set Stephen Hawking straight' with the ‘no creator or intelligence are required' to CAUSE the Big Bang cosmo-genesis.

    The present dilemmas and the reason, why the ‘end of times’ is nigh; is that the present scientific nous regarding the radiation physics and information technology has reached a point of ‘no return’.
    This means, that the self-reflective nature of the universe: coded say in SPIRIT=MIRROR=SPACETIME=PHOENIX=91 (check it Jack in the basic Pythagorean numerology of A=1, B=2, C=3;…;W=23, X=24, Y=25, Z=26=A*,….).

    The entire universe must reconfigure now, or the ‘Cradle of God’s family’ will self-destruct.
    For you and Becky personally then, you transiting to the other side will not help the necessary reconfiguration of the Old World required to prevent the self-annihilation of the present civilization.

    This civilization in its administrative ignorance=sinfulness has discovered, and is applying ‘God’s mysteries’ of what it is all about, in a very destructive modus operandi and your presence and our communication serves as a counter force to this mode of living and stewardship of this planet.

    I have more to say, but would ask you to read the attached file to perceive the nature and resolution of your questions.

    Love, TonyB.
     

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