How Many Different Souls Have Come To Earth, Like Jesus ? The Infinite Soul Manifestations

"If two people were exactly the same,
there would be NO reason for both of them to exist."
- susan lynne schwenger




How many different souls have come to earth,

like Jesus ?

The Infinite Soul Manifestations of:
Ti’At
Khro’Te
Ker -KR
Sonad, Kin, Serep
Tinet, TenTen, Tia
Shia
Kendre
Ra
Krishna
Lilith
Lao Tzu
Buddha aka Siddhartha Guatama "Buddha"
Jesus
and, there maybe many many more of them
- living in small communities, never getting into the mainstream

TROY TROLLEY - The Michael Entity of The Michael Teachings
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The Infinite Soul Manifestations

 

Question] Hi Troy/Michaels, I would like to know more about Mary Magdalene.
Any information that you would consider important that would pertain more to our current paradigm.
I am particularly interested in her role/connection with Jesus, how they worked/supported each other. Thanks
[MEntity] Though an individual will manifest the Infinite Soul, it is still a fragment, an individual fragment, who acts as the conduit for that manifestation.
The life of the individual is not forced or formed by that Infinite Soul, but the choices, realizations, and actions of that fragment
help to create the point necessary for the Manifestation.
Those choices, realizations, and actions are certainly informed by a definite thread of awareness "direct" from Tao.
[MEntity] However, the fragment incarnating is still Human, at least in this case.
[MEntity] In most Manifestations of Infinite Soul, there is the necessity for the complete Support Circle of that fragment to be intact, active, and available,
as well as (at least) one fragment who will act as "the savior" for that individual.
[MEntity] The fragment known as "Mary" was the Anchor Position in the King's Support Circle, and was this individual Personality's "savior."
[MEntity] There must be that one person who fully grasps and allows for the utter despair, fear, and confusion, as well as the profound bliss, wisdom,
and enlightenment as it is experienced by that Human and individual Sentient hosting.
[MEntity] Mary was that fragment for this King.
[MEntity] The spectrum between "darkness and light" was allowed with her, and she presented to him the acts of permanent forgiveness,
tranquility, redemption, and agape that was not found in any other relationship.
[MEntity] For every Manifestation of the Infinite Soul, there is a "Mary."
[MEntity] After the recovery from the Manifestation, these fragments went on to form a union and to live out a rather peaceful life in sanctuary, raising children.
[Question] Michael, I have the following question, and if it is quick (for you),
was Mary Magdalene the Essence Twin of Jesus?
[MEntity] Yes. That is correct.

TROY TROLLEY
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Advanced Study in Michael Teachings

The next level in MT from the original transcripts

The Infinite Soul
Compilations from the transcripts of the original Michael Teachings group.

• The transcripts of the original Michael Teachings group have been determined to be in the public domain. Any content or commentary added by the author/compiler is copyright: CC by NC-ND and please attribute adeptpath.net.

This is a small compilation on the nature of the Infinite Soul. There is a great deal of information on Jesus in TOMG transcripts, as the last avatar for the Infinite Soul, which has been left out of the teaching in general. The point here is to gather specifics about the effects of the presence of the Infinite Soul, as well as cosmological significance in MT.

General Cosmological Info
The Causal plane was discussed at this point, and Sarah Chambers said that she gathered that there was a high Causal body and a low Causal body, and that Michael says that he is a Causal being.

• That is essentially correct. There is growth and evolution necessary on the Causal plane as well as the Astral. There is a difference, though. This entity [Michael] still perceives self and something apart from self, although still a part of self, so this entity cannot be said to be all of everything there is. The high Causal body [Transcendental Soul] does not perceive even this minute separation evidently. This is where the difference lies. Beyond the Physical Plane, the evolution concerns perception of the Tao. [08/26/1973]

Question: What is meant by the high planes?

• By “high planes,” we refer to the Causal [plane] and beyond [Mental plane, Messianic plane, Buddhaic plane]. [10/08/1974]

Sarah Chambers: The Transcendental and Infinite Souls do not manifest in a physical body.

• That is essentially correct. The high Causal body [Transcendental Soul] manifests only in times of social or religious unrest. Then if the revolution does not come about, the high Mental body [Infinite Soul] manifests and brings the Logos to bear.

[snip of unrelated material]

• The Infinite Soul manifested through the physical forms of Lao Tsu, Sri Krishna, Siddhartha Gautama and Jesus — no others.
• The Transcendental Soul has manifested through Socrates, Zarathrustra, through Muhammed, and through Mohandas Gandhi [and some others: Amenhotep-Akhenaten, for instance]. [09/18/1973]

There was discussion about the Transcendental and Infinite souls and their place on the reincarnational cycle; about the possibility of the Transcendental soul manifesting through RB, etc.

• That is oversimplification. The Transcendental Soul is only such when it is manifest on the Physical plane, as is the Infinite Soul. The high Causal body [Transcendental Soul] is capable of displacing many souls at once. This will occur within the next decade. Many must sit at the feet of living masters. You are now living in a large, complex society. A Jewish carpenter would hardly be apropos. [10/08/1974]

ET: I am confused about which souls inhabit what planes after the physical level. I would like more information about this

• There are, of course, seven planes in all, each with seven levels. Beyond the Astral Plane is the Causal Plane with seven levels: three low, one mid Causal Plane level upon which we reside, and three higher levels upon which reside the high Causal bodies — the Transcendental Souls contiguous with this plane; and the Mental Plane is the Akashic Plane, which is a photographic record of all history. Some very high adepts have access to this plane. On the Mental Plane resides the Infinite Soul and the low and mid-mental bodies. Beyond this is the Buddhic Plane and upon this level are all of those souls who have achieved physical communion with the Tao. Beyond this, of course, [is] the Tao. [11/29/1973]

EM: There was an impression that the soul is entrapped in this physical body, and I disagree with that answer, and my opinion was expressed regarding this: there is one Infinite soul, and we are each manifestations of the same soul, and I fail to see how the Infinite soul can be trapped in a finite body.

• All souls, or Fragments, as we choose to call them for now, are of course, a part of the universal creative force, which we call the Tao. However, when this fragmentation occurs and the physical cycle begins, this Fragment is remote from the Tao, and remote from what we call the Infinite Soul. We think that we have a problem with semantics here. Let us use an analogy and perhaps this will become crystal clear. Imagine the Atlantic ocean as the whole; imagine filling ten test tubes, then sealing them so that they are both water tight and air tight; then imagine dropping them back into the ocean. They are a part of the whole, yes, but unless some outside force liberates them, they are remote from the source and trapped in an effective prison. This same way the soul is trapped in the body. The body is very limited in what it can do. You [EM is in a wheelchair] should understand this really better than the others. The soul in its true spiritual state has no limitations or handicaps. [12/20/1973]

EM: Whereby Jesus’ statement “I can do nothing”?

• He could do nothing. That is true of all, without the other forces holding the universe together — all of these combined are necessary to perpetuate the cycles. Knowing how it happens does not give you cart blanche to go and do it. Many people were disappointed in Jesus because he did nothing physical about their woes. This will be the case again. The Infinite Soul does not come to lead the troops. The Infinite Soul comes to bring the Logos to bear. It is up to you to listen and take your own action. [11/22/1973]

ET: I would like to ask more questions on the books about the “Masters of the Far East,” by Thomas Spaulding, whom I’ve asked about before. I’ve read 4 of the 5 volumes now. There is good teaching information there. He said he was talking in person to Jesus and Mohammed and other Old Souls. He went to Asia, Tibet, in the early l900s or late 1800s, where he was taught to teleport. I would like a comment and also to ask if he really was talking to Jesus and Mohammed as he implied.

• The high Mental body spends time with all adepts. Some see the Infinite Soul in several transcendental forms. This is usually because the perceptions of physically tied adepts are not keen enough to perceive that much of the synthesis. They, like some of you, see the reintegration as loss of self and bemoan this. He saw his own perception of the fragmentation of the Infinite Soul. [01/03/1974]

Historical Information on Infinite Souls.
ET: Was Ahura Mazda special? He’s an Indian hero.

• This was an ancient term denoting the manifestation of the high Mental body [Infinite Soul]. The fact that we accept namelessness quite casually, even on this plane, is almost incomprehensible to most of those on the Physical Plane, since names have become the principal method of identity, even ascendancy. [09/27/1973]

RH: When love is turned on, this in itself puts you on a high. Maybe that’s “man #4” [balanced man] according to Gurdjieff and it is not permanent.

• The love of the Logos or agape permeated the being of Jesus even prior to the manifestation. He lived for the Word. The quest for spiritual liberation took precedence over all things, sometimes to his despair prior to manifestation. This was an Emotionally Centered Mercury-Saturn. He was passionate and sensual. When others rejected his opinions, he was astonished. [10/06/1973]

The next question was also lost, but it concerned the fact that John [the Baptist] was presumably a reincarnation of Elias.

• You are correct, Elias was a part of the Infinite Soul at the time of the manifestation. The Causal body evolved. The high planes each have seven levels. The fragments integrate at different times. When the integration takes place, evolution supervenes. [09/18/1973]

RH: I’ve read much on the crucifixion and have never been able to figure out why it happened.

• He was a threat to Joseph Caiphas who was getting rich on temple funds, and there was a suitable pawn available in the person of the Judean governor who was a coward and who was already in trouble with [Roman Emperor] Tiberius over other things. The Infinite Soul cares nothing about the physical body and when it was realized how the deck was stacked, it was seen as a convenient way to speedily fulfill the prophesy. [11/22/1973]

We read at this point from Matthew 5:1-12 concerning the “beatitudes” — Blessed are the meek, merciful, peacemakers, they that mourn, hunger after righteousness, the poor in spirit, etc.

• Substitute for the word “blessed” the word “fortunate.” The emphasis here is on simplicity. By “meek,” we don’t speak of cowardice, but rather an inwardness of purpose. Those “poor in spirit” refer to those who recognize within themselves the lack of spiritual guidance and seek this. This passage is warning against complacency that heralds the downfall, of the degradation of humanity. The “barbarians” can be used symbolically here as the materialistic existentialists who deny other dimensions beyond the Physical Plane and devote themselves to the pursuit of Maya. They are indeed unfortunate, in that they incur much adverse karma. One must keep in mind the audience to which the man Jesus spoke, and the scribes who wrote the account, before passing judgment on the words. These people believed in a very literal, very personal God who monitored every move they made, and was for the most part stern and disapproving.
• Greek thought had much influence on the man Jesus, particularly Epicurus, but it would have been impossible for him to espouse the words of this pagan philosopher from the porticoes of the temple. Then when the Infinite Soul manifested, the Logos was brought to bear in the language of the times, transcribed by a Roman tax collector [Matthew] and an Emotionally Centered Greek physician (Luke). Epicurus had a most profound influence on all of the philosophy of the time, surpassing that of the Stoic, Zeno. This philosophy was made to order for the Sadducees, who also appealed to this young man’s sensitive nature. The Epicurean thought pattern is what you all are striving to accomplish. [snip] [12/25/1973]

EM: If we were together in Rome and we are again now, what is our purpose?

• There is indeed a purpose. This teaching is one of spiritual growth. This teaching was offered to you before and you rejected it, as many did. Now it is up to you to hear it now or wait another two thousand years. It is essential that you complete this Monad. We do not particularly care how long it takes you. We shall be around [as a mid-Causal teacher] for at least that long.

What is so special about every two thousand years?

• We are referring to the philosophical climate existing then, which has not existed since, until very recently. This philosophical climate made the conditions right for the manifestations of the Infinite Soul. If you wish some parallels between then and now, we will gladly expound. The Infinite Soul manifests at times such as this when there is much philosophical stagnation, racial and religious strife, and the imminent destruction of that which binds society together. [snip] [12/27/1973]

RH: There was an offer by Michael to weave a tapestry of past lives. Are they ready for that now? Should we ask specific questions?

• There is no need to ask specific questions. We would think you would examine your various reasons for evading this particular question. It is an interesting phenomenon. We have told you before that those of you now on the Physical plane, and others who have lived within the past three decades, and even perhaps most of those who lived in the past five decades, and all those who will live again in the next two decades, have all lived during what we choose to call the “cardinal points” of these cycles. In other words, you have lived during the centuries in which the most sweeping changes have occurred: philosophically, spiritually, culturally and scientifically. Five of you were present in the immediate area in each instance when the Infinite Soul manifested on this world. Those five knew each other well, as their lives where interwoven at the time. All of you had access to the words then and at the time of the last manifestation [of the Infinite Soul through Jesus]. All of you have been exposed to the occult brotherhood in the cradle of its existence; three of you becoming initiates but never adepts. All of you have been, at one time, associated with the education of youth at a time when there were sweeping philosophical changes. All of you have this in common. You did not listen. We have more.

Is Michael speaking of those people present in the room this evening, or of the entire group?

• We refer to members of this cadre, which included souls not in this room. [10/19/1974]

JB asked about past lives. He has an attraction to the American Indians, and wondered if he had lived in this capacity before.

• We would also tell you that this student also has heard the words before, four times in fact — at the feet of [Infinite Souls] Lao Tsu, Sri Krishna, Siddhartha Guatama, and the man Jesus, as well as from [Transcendental Souls] Socrates and Mohammed. He did not choose to listen. He may choose to this time. [11/20/1974]

[From a larger session]:

• The work done here this evening is valuable. We wish to continue. The Infinite Soul manifested through the man Jesus and taught you to “resist no evil.” We would concise this to say, “Resist not.” All of resistance comes through the False Personality’s inadequate perception of reality. For if you truly open the inner eye to perceive that which is, how can you resist being unconditionally loved: open your inner eye and see the beauty, energy and “rightness” of this. Meditation is indeed the path for you, TL. Pursue it with a newly-found diligence. We are one. Again, we say, until you finally understand that love is the highest truth and truth is the greatest good. [12/28/1974]

AH: Why did [Jesus] cry? Was it because of what he saw in the future for people?

• The Infinite Soul is not bereft of emotion. It was compassion. [01/20/1974]

Infinite Soul and References to Modern Contexts
AH: Look at the Jehovah’s Witnesses who come to the door. They certainly have a certain amount of love and enthusiasm for Jesus.

• There is a certain amount of transference of eroticism in the “love of Jesus.” In that situation, you are merely substituting the nonexistent lover with the personification of the Infinite Soul. [10/06/1973]

The tape recorder was turned off for a moment, but a question was asked about all of us being Old Souls.

• The exalted cycles are sparsely populated. Sarah is right about the bell curve. The majority of all creatures of reason are Young and Mature right now because of the closeness of the manifestation of the high Mental body [the Infinite Soul]. [08/26/1973]

There was discussion about the Transcendental and Infinite souls and their place on the reincarnational cycle; about the possibility of the Transcendental soul manifesting through Robert Burton, etc.

• That is oversimplification. The Transcendental Soul is only such when it is manifest on the Physical plane, as is the Infinite Soul. The high Causal body [Transcendental Soul] is capable of displacing many souls at once. This will occur within the next decade. Many must sit at the feet of living masters. You are now living in a large, complex society. A Jewish carpenter would hardly be apropos.

RC: Will [the avatar for the Infinite Soul] be a Russian?

• The high Mental body will manifest. Look around you; do you not think that this is necessary? There is social and political unrest, internecine [mutually destructive] and interracial wars, religious schism — all existing simultaneously in a powder keg of nuclear power. The manifestation will be a very different type. The problems are not so different as they are more dangerous.

We discussed the present Israel-Syria conflict and the possibility of the destruction of ancient shrines. ET asked for a comment on that conflict.

• What was occurring about two thousand years ago in Syria-Palestine? We have told you that you are on a parallel time frame. These very ancient enemies have better instruments of war now than then. The book-burning threat is real. The role has not been chosen, but it was in the past. [10/08/1973]

10 thoughts on “The Infinite Soul”

1. mark says:
   January 7, 2014 at 10:36 am
   Does the bible speak about reincarnation?..if so scriptures
   Reply
   • Admin says:
     January 12, 2014 at 6:39 pm
     Not that I know of, at least not directly. Although the translations are from young and baby souls so they wouldn’t “have ears to hear” so to speak to begin with. I’ve translated some of the new testament and for me I get from the Greek something very different. From John 1 we are told that we are all born of the mind of god. It’s very radical and nothing the church would ever have gotten from the greek. Which is understandable.
     Reply
   • Bob Rodes says:
     June 5, 2014 at 10:24 am
     There are three passages in the Bible that are referred to as evidence of reincarnation. First, that a man must be “born again”. Second, Jesus telling the disciples that John the Baptist was Elias. Third, that the disciples asked who sinned, he or his father that he was born blind suggests that they had been taught that a person was capable of sinning prior to his birth, or they wouldn’t have asked the question.
     The Transcendors have said that it was decided at the Council of Nicaea that reincarnation was unworkable as a church doctrine (after all, the pope would have difficulty establishing authority if the parishioners had the understanding that he could be a commoner in many other lives), so it was anathematized. If references to reincarnation had not been removed, they say, the Bible would be about 800 pages longer than it currently is.
     Other sources (some of the books of Delores Cannon) mention that Jesus taught reincarnation all along. While an Essene, he once compared reincarnation to a piece of driftwood washing up again and again on the shore, as the tide takes it in from and out to sea. This rings strongly true to me personally as just the sort of metaphor that he would use.
     Reply
     • Admin says:
       July 14, 2014 at 11:54 am
       Hi Bob,
       I think “I and the Father are One” speaks pretty strongly to unitive consciousness as well as the ability for the soul to return.
       Reply
2. Jim Foster says:
   January 12, 2014 at 12:22 am
   Much was said about the manifestation of the
   Infinite Soul back in the 70′s. What ever happened
   with this prediction?
   JF
   Reply
   • Admin says:
     January 12, 2014 at 6:19 pm
     Hi. There are a lot of views on this, primarily that in this time line that did not happen. However, the infinite soul doesn’t necessarily have to manifest… sometimes the transcendental souls can do the job, sometimes the nearness of the high mental body as the vehicle of the infinite soul creates contact with those so inclined and there is sufficient critical mass of change in consciousness thru individuals to accomplish the job. Or, alternatively, there is no infinite soul and that was a bias in channeling hanging over from religion.
     But the case of the IS is a little different this time than from the manifestations in China and Palestine. There was then an attempt to move out of the dark closed system of ritual and legal reciprocity ie: I do these rituals, God takes care of me. So Buddha attempted to overturn the dark legality of the caste system, and Yehoshua the law based Hebrew religion. Buddha attempted to detach the individual from karma/caste and pre-determined fate and restore choice. Yehoshua constantly turned the law on its head; it’s not what goes into a man that defiles it is what comes out and he was speaking of actions, right action. So eating kosher and not sitting next to a gentile made no difference to god.
     This time around we are in the special context of moving from a global young soul consciousness to one that is mature souled. That has clearly been happening and without the direct appearance of an infinite soul. It may even be that for an infinte soul to appear as a single individual would throw many back into the young soul tendency to give up their identity to a charismatic leader.
     If it is the case that the presence of the IS is accessible by all, it then leads to the assumption that “bringing the Logos to bear”* which is the job of the IS, can be requested, it comes out of individual choice to experience that.
     Kath
     * Bring the logos to bear means you remember who you really are. No veil. now, what you do with that…
     Reply
   • Bob Rodes says:
     June 5, 2014 at 10:34 am
     There is also the point of view that we ourselves have taken a rather unexpected turn, in allowing a greater environmental awareness to awaken and taking some action to protect it. This has “bought us some time”, as it were, and also translates the philosophical conflict between “survival of the fittest” and “the whole is greater than the sum of its parts” into physical terms. This physical feedback is valuable evidence and helps to open minds, turning polarized arguments into discussions.
     Reply
     • Admin says:
       July 14, 2014 at 11:59 am
       Oh yes, I agree. When most of the individuals on the planet are alseep (so not trying to wake up as a student on the path but living their lives and learning/growing that way) the movements post-WW2 have all been more cooperative and and aware of the effect of action on the whole. Really, very effective as a changer for mass consciousness.
       Reply
3. Fred says:
   August 19, 2014 at 9:28 pm
   The goal of one IS is to shake your beliefs in this current existence. The very name itself is a clue. Immortality on this plane. For is it not the very secret of life.
   Reply
   • Admin says:
     August 27, 2014 at 2:25 pm
     Hi Fred,
     I agree totally. “Bringing the Logos to Bear” means remembering who you really are. Nothing shakes existence up like that. I think though that the key even there is that “remembering” means, the awareness that we ourselves are part of the infinite soul, the Logos. That’s the last monad for so many students; teach/share the Logos.

The Adept Path
Forays into advanced study on the path of spiritual growth. This will be based primarily in Michael Teachings from the original transcripts of the founding group.
This site emphasizes the spiritual, perceptual part of the teaching far more than the philosophical, structural base that most students are familiar with.

http://adeptpath.net/mt-compilation...ripts-subject-compilations/the-infinite-soul/

 

Advanced Study in Michael Teachings

The next level in MT from the original transcripts

The Original MT Group, Chelsea Quinn Yarbro and Restoring the Teaching.
There were five people who formed the core of the original study group that would channel the Michael Teachings — Alice and Richard Hannah, Sarah and Richard Chambers, and Eugene (“Gene”) Trout. The history of these people and this group is quite fascinating and is outlined here. It is important to remember that they lived in Northern California during the time when the “New Age” movement was very active. They were also spiritual seekers –- they had sessions with local psychics, they studied the Seth material, Alice Bailey’s Theosophy, and A Course in Miracles, among others. They went to workshops taught by Robert Monroe (Journeys out of the Body) and got to know him very well. Many in the group attended Werner Erhard’s EST seminars.
The core group members were serious students of the Gurdjieff and Ouspensky “Fourth Way” teaching, and belonged to a local Fourth Way group for a time. According to one of the members, after they read about Jane Roberts and the Seth material several of them wanted to see if they could get messages themselves. They came together as a group in late 1972, or early 1973, to begin their attempts to get information through a Ouija board. In time, attendance at the group’s sessions grew larger for a couple of years until the public sessions were disbanded in June of 1975. After that, the main channel (Sarah Chambers) continued to have sessions with small groups of friends up until about 1983. Other regular attendees formed their own small study groups of friends, to continue their own personal growth and study, after Sarah stopped channeling publicly.
A few years after the large group sessions ended, Sarah met author Chelsea Quinn Yarbro at a Science Fiction convention. Sarah got Ms. Yarbro interested in the transcripts although Yarbro never attended any of the study group meetings herself. There were some special sessions done for her to help in writing her book, Messages From Michael (MFM), which used some of the transcripts. As a novelist Yarbro created a story about what happened in the study group and fictionalized the people and their issues in order to have a framework to hang the original channeled material on. Accordingly, in her books, the Michael material was not presented in the sequence in which it was received. She based the a central character of “Jessica Lansing” on Sarah, so that readers could identify with a central person in the MFM story. When you read the actual transcripts, Sarah’s presence is felt less strongly than the other members of the group. Richard Hannah, Richard Chambers and Gene Trout dominated the sessions because they were the ones who asked the most questions and thereby elicited the “Michael Teachings.” Those questions came out of the lives they were living and the issues they were seeking answers to.
It is important to realize that Chelsea was presenting the Michael Teachings for the first time to the general public. She presented basic information, intended to give her readers a solid foundation in this new system. Therefore, she left out a lot of the more advanced teachings that today’s more experienced students might appreciate. “True teachings” function on three levels: a “know thyself” base (an esoteric psychology), an advanced spiritual teaching, and at the center will be the Logos (or Infinite Soul). In Michael Teachings, the Overleaf System and the concept of reincarnation form the structural base. In themselves they constitute a major portion of the teaching. Chelsea recognized this and set about creating a way to illustrate that in her first book. Her subsequent work continued to develop this system and did not include the more advanced teaching. This may have been due to personal preference or, possibly, the fact that in the transcripts much of this part of the teaching was couched in very esoteric terms that were unfamiliar to her. This level of the teaching is dependent upon Gurdjieff terminology and ideas and themes from Alice Bailey and other early 20th century mystics – none of which are reflected in Chelsea’s subsequent books.
So, this difference of perspective explains why the MFM version is different from what actually happened in the group. Chelsea chose to emphasize reincarnation, its ramifications, the overleaf system, and a general cosmology, together with a potpourri of miscellaneous topics that might appeal to a diverse readership. She condensed material from about 3,000 pages of transcripts (per her comments in the book) down to about 250 pages in the published book. Truly, she did a remarkable job. There was, however, a great deal of good information that was left out – and she omitted the fact that the people in the study group came together primarily as seasoned spiritual seekers. They were pursuing personal growth and enlightenment, and had been down many corridors in the search already. They were not mere social acquaintances experimenting with a Ouija board. They became close friends who grew even closer as their work delved deeper into areas they had not explored before. They brought people into the group who were likewise seeking.
One example of the different viewpoint presented in MFM is illustrated by the following:
The first question asked in the very first session with Michael was, “concerning the decision to go on in the search for spiritual enlightenment, to becoming an adept.” (August 12, 1973)
In the beginning of the story told in MFM, after the question of the channeled entity’s name, the first query is about the terms “entity” and “fragment,” to which the Michael reply gives an answer that describes the process of ensoulment. The difference in these two questions shows that the starting points of the actual group, and Yarbro’s version, immediately diverge.
The change in emphasis continues from there and she would adjust the text in keeping with her vision of the story. On page 47, she quotes the text as:

• IN GIVING YOU SOME DIRECTION TO YOUR PURPOSE, YOU HAVE, DURING THE INTERVAL BETWEEN PHYSICAL LIVES, CHOSEN TO LIVE A LIFE IN SERVICE TO THE SEARCH. [MFM, page 47 – emphasis added]

There is one word here that was changed by Chelsea and that one word makes a marked difference in the meaning of the sentence. The original text says:

• IN GIVING YOU SOME DIRECTION TO YOUR PURPOSE, YOU HAVE, DURING THE INTERVAL BETWEEN PHYSICAL LIVES, CHOSEN TO LIVE A LIFE IN SERVICE TO THE WORD. [February 3, 1974 – emphasis added]

In Chelsea’s version, the lifetime referenced was constructed around “the search” – seeking, living the life with an emphasis on the individual process. In the original transcript, there is a definite goal, “the Word” — and that “Word” is elsewhere called “Logos.” The word “Logos” is not a common one in our society today, but for the original group of students it was understood from the phrase in the Bible: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1) We spend many lifetimes in the search, this is true — but a lifetime built in service to the Word suggests something far more specific.
Ultimately, there is a great deal of material given by Michael that Chelsea chose not to use regardless of the reason. Those were her choices as a student of the entity we call Michael. In many ways her version of the teaching has continued to drive the direction of study for Michael students. Until now, without the transcripts freely available, and without restriction, it has been difficult to discuss, and more importantly pursue, the whole teaching.
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In June of 2010 — 37 years after Michael first came through Sarah Chambers — a few long-time Michael students came together to work on cleaning up the digital file of the transcripts that had been passed around in the background for many years. The idea was to restore all of the original text as it was in the copies of the paper transcripts, check it carefully for errors, reformat it, and annotate it.
As anyone who studies the transcripts and the MFM book can see, there is a big difference between the two. One could even say that the MFM book that Chelsea created, through her selection process, was a customized version of the Michael Teachings. As noted above, one of the important things that makes her lineage different is the fact that Chelsea did not include or pursue the teaching on adepthood. There is a considerable body of material that “the teacher” Michael gave in this area of advanced study because this was what the original core group was pursuing.
The project of cleaning up the digital transcript file grew as it uncovered more about the people in the study group and the archive project members realized the depth and breadth of what they were doing. The search began for pieces of the history of the group and of the participants to better understand their perspective and what might be driving their search and their questions. They began to look for more transcript copies and more original members to interview. Some of the original members have died. Of the original core five people, only Dr Trout is still alive. A number of other living regular members of the group have been found. Some were excited that they could share their stories after all these years. Some have moved on to other interests and had no interest in participating.
The archivists eventually ran into Yarbro’s assertion that she held the rights to the entirety of the transcripts and would not authorize their use. Yet, as the reconstruction project continued it became apparent that the transcripts and copies thereof fell into the category of Public Domain, based on the copyright laws in place at the time. The transcripts were typed, photocopied, and distributed to other group members without copyright notice of any sort on any document found. At the time, a copyright notice on the document itself was required to claim copyright ownership. The law seems pretty clear that in the period from 1973-1977 when the study group was meeting, the lack of any indications of an intent to claim copyright ownership of the transcripts makes them Public Domain documents. Ultimately, after retaining the services of an attorney, who consulted with copyright experts, there was legal confirmation that these documents were indeed in the Public Domain. Public Domain documents can be freely shared, used, copied, published, etc. Once in Public Domain status, no person or entity can claim ownership of them.
While is it important to acknowledge, appreciate, respect, and honor the work of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro who brought the teaching to a very wide audience, it is also necessary to honor the members of the original Michael study group and the deep legacy that they left behind. The history of the group should be preserved, and the whole teaching preserved as it was given. Each student should decide what to take from the original transcripts and decide for themselves how to use the higher teaching in their lives.

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3 thoughts on “The Original MT Group, Chelsea Quinn Yarbro and Restoring the Teaching.”

1. Jeff says:
   September 25, 2012 at 4:51 pm
   I’ve been a student of the Michael teachings since the mid-80s. I’ve been waiting for three decades for your website! I’m thrilled that you’re making available the original transcripts, and pointing out the differences between the MFM version and the originally channeled text, as well as the sequence in which it was channeled.
   Some years ago I was lucky enough to receive some of the original text, with names edited out. I was confused and somewhat startled at just how fictional CQY’s framework was. I am very grateful that she made the material available when she did; it’s helped me a lot in my own personal life. But I’ve noticed on the Michael email discussion boards that little emphasis is placed on the _personality_ aspects of the teachings, and the importance of working with chief feature and its distortions. This was emphasized to me after I studied some of the Gurdjieff material.
   Anyway, kudos!!
   JP
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     September 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm
     Hi Jeff — just fyi, this is the public site that goes with the private material on the MTSC site. With MTSC not being google-able (and the participants there liking the privacy aspect) I really felt like this work really needed full exposure. Eventually I will port most of the public domain material here.
     Best,
     kath
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2. Uma Berliner says:
   July 14, 2014 at 5:41 pm
   Thank you. And thank Michael. from: http://adeptpath.net/mt-compilation...bro-and-restoring-the-teaching/#comment-13754

 

Infinite Souls...

If I remember correctly in my reading of Michael material,
Michael mentioned only four incarnations of the Infinite soul:
Krishna, Lao Tsu, Buddha, and Jesus.

Yet I think I also remember mention of another Infinite soul incarnating recently
or now or in the near future?

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Christian on October 30, 2007 at 2:13pm
I think Zoroaster was also one.

Since it has been about 2000 years since Jesus, I think I read in on of the Micheal books that the infinite soul was to return within a generation. That was in the late 70's, i think. Michael defined a generation as something like 50 years or so. So I figured it "should" be sometime in the life time of most of the people alive today.

Course I read that 5 years ago....

christian

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Mark on November 2, 2007 at 6:18pm
I was asking about a current incarnation of the Infinite soul for informational purposes. From the Michael reading I've done, sharing info and asking questions seems encouraged.

>>Besides, how would it change you, if one of them came back anyway ???

I don't know. That's a good question. That's why I asked my own question and want to know more. I would put just such a question as yours (and mine) to Michael himself (themself?).

Why do you mention all the other things that you do in response to my question? Your response feels somewhat reactionary to me. Maybe that was not your intent, but why would Michael mention Infinite souls if not to bring such a thing into our awareness, to prompt us to want to discover more, ask questions like mine?

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Mark on November 2, 2007 at 6:55pm
Is my back up? Really? Doesn't feel like it to me.

Please feel free to respond however you'd like. I'm just asking some simple questions to get more of an understanding.

Your post did feel "somewhat" reactionary to me (and not, for what it's worth, forceful or blunt or sharp). But that may be just me. Maybe to others your post felt perfectly connected to my question and clear and right on.

No problems. Just casting about for others with similar interests on the path of dissolving infinity...

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on December 3, 2007 at 1:39am
If I remember correctly from the recent chanelling of Troy, Michael said that the Infinite Soul would manifest in muliple personalities or souls in the near future. I can buy that definition, since the Infinite Soul is a representation or a representative of a single Entity. But it comes to bring change or transition.... Truth, love or engery. That is what I understand. Jesus was truth...(King).. Buddah was Love (Priest), and Lao Tsu was energy (Sage). I could be wrong but I beleive that they were all positive sides and others influences such as Mohamed and Ghandi were Transendental Souls with different purposes. Correct me if I am wrong.

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Mark on December 10, 2007 at 3:23pm
Thanks for this. The Infinite Soul manifesting in multiple personalities or souls in the near future sounds interesting.

What was Krishna? I seem to recall he was the other of the 4 incarnations mentioned originally.

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Mark on December 10, 2007 at 4:46pm
or play a flute ;-)

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by TROY on December 18, 2007 at 3:10am
Finally getting around to the forums! I hope I do a better job in 2008 with these! So here goes:

Michael has talked quite about about Infinite Souls throughout history and those that were mentioned in the Yarbro books were claimed to be the only ones, but even in the Yarbro books we have to make room for limitations on the channels' parts. Since then, Michael has mentioned a few past manifestations of the Infinite Soul in pre-history that was during periods more run by females, leading to some of the stronger feminine gods in myths. I am not being very helpful here, because I can't remember the details, but I do know there were more manifestations than those four males.

Currently the world is supposed to be primed for a manifestation, but we've seen no real sign of this happening. Michael has been mentioning it as a possibility since the 80s. What seems to be consistent among most of the channels is that the next manifestation is intended to come through 5 fragments, representing various minorities across the globe, and I think they were a child, gay person, black person, woman, and "disabled." This multiple manifestation is to accommodate the population on the planet.

Maybe I can be of more detailed response in a future post, but this is the gist.

Troy

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Mark on December 18, 2007 at 1:59pm
Thanks for the info. If you find out anything more, I'd like to hear about it.

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by TROY on December 18, 2007 at 3:01pm
HERE ARE SOME OLD EXCERPTS FROM TRANSCRIPTS OVER THE YEARS, courtesy of Lisa C's indexing of my work with Michael:

INFINITE SOUL INDEXING

[08/19/99]
MICHAEL: We do not see full manifestation of the Infinite Soul anywhere on the planet currently, though there are 2 fragments that are “ready,” and 3 more will follow when the first two have begun. At least 5 manifestations will most likely appear, according to what we have heard. These manifestations will include a young child ,apparently. The United States will most likely take the Teachings of either the child (a Priest son of a single parent female Server) or the Teachings of a female Sage.

QUESTION: So the Infinite Soul intends to manifest in more than one individual at the same time? Has this been done before?

MICHAEL:
We believe Buddha and Christ overlapped in impact, though not so closely in manifestation. This proximity of impact is part of why you have “east” and “west.” We doubt the latest manifestations will be so easily used to segregate the world.

QUESTION: Is the Infinite Soul manifesting in 5 individuals due to the population or is this tied more to the lessons to bring?

MICHAEL: Both.

[02/03/00]
MICHAEL: Most of you have been within one level [of the 7 levels] of your current Soul Age since the last manifestation of the Infinite Soul. For the thousand years approximately before the manifestation, those of you present here moved only one or two soul levels during that time. Many of you have been incarnating for nearly 6 million years…

[02/17/00]
MICHAEL: Since the beginning of this year, we have seen a tremendous drop in activity around preparations for a manifestation. The Infinite Soul will only manifest in a parallel or time frame when Sentience is lacking direction and seeks assistance. A “surprising” factor in the last Nexus is in the detailed removal of reality options that were leading toward more disintegration. This has created a lull in assessment, a pause, to see what humans will create over the next few years. It appears your species seeks more integration “on your own” than you might have anticipated. The anticipation of having a manifestation may be exciting, but the indication that your species and the planet are transiting in Soul Age with little incident is equally exhilarating to the Essence. This can be likened to a teenager whose “father” threatens to pull over to make a point, but then the teenager making his own efforts to grow and communicate, resulting in no need for intervention. So our update, as far as we can see at this time, is that you are in a holding pattern. We will comment as this unfolds.

[12/28/00]
QUESTION: You told us, long ago, that many of the fragments presently incarnate on this plane were here to witness the Infinite Soul. Now it seems, the IS in not coming in the manner expected. Will all of these millions of incarnates cycle off (or die) and “depopulate” the planet as planned, or have the plans changed?

MICHAEL:
During a period of time wherein the Infinite Soul may manifest, it is not done “lightly.” Though last year appeared to indicate a shift in changes as to whether the Infinite Soul may manifest at all, your coming year may prove to require a continuation as “planned.” In your Time perspective and sense of change, these fluctuations may appear to be more whimsical, but they are not. There are parallels where the manifestation has already occurred. There are some parallels where it will not. The probability of a manifestation in "this" parallel, as it stands tonight, is approximately 44% within 10 years and 67% within 30. As for the “depopulation,” we looked at probabilities approximately 10 years ago for what is now your present and saw a great reduction “by now,” but this has not occurred and does not appear to be on the horizon. This is a strong indication that Essences are still anticipating an exchange while Physical with the Infinite Soul.

[continued in next post reply]

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by TROY on December 18, 2007 at 3:07pm
[continued from previous excerpts]

[01/18/01]
QUESTION: Good evening, Michael. We have been discussing lately the possibility of an Infinite Soul manifesting very soon (as in this month) in the form of a woman. Would you discuss the probability of this occurring?

MICHAEL: Speculation of that nature can only be that: “speculation.” When the Infinite Soul manifests, it will be known without question. We can say with some degree of accuracy that the female who might host the Infinite Soul is, indeed, alive, as is the child who may manifest, first. The probability of the Infinite Soul making itself publicly known within this month or the next six months for that matter is quite low. We say this based on our perception at the moment.

We do not believe a manifestation would occur before the end of 2001, at this point.

END EXCERPTS

As I find more, I will post them!

Troy

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by TROY on December 18, 2007 at 3:24pm
Susan,

This is a very interesting question about the mathematical aspects. When an Infinite Soul manifests, it's not going to have a "raw number" because it's actually entire Cadres, or a single Cadre, representing the Logos, with either an emphasis on Truth, Love, or Energy. The fragment that manifests the Infinite Soul will have a raw number, though.

I'll do some research and some channeling when I get a chance and report back! I know that the Infinite Soul manifestations on record are not from our Energy Ring (#2), but from the one before ours; Energy Ring 1, the same one from which Michael comes (michael is Energy Ring One, Cadre 11, Entity 4).

I am saying all of this from memory, but will clarify further in another post.

Troy

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mce-anchor Permalink Reply by Michael Entity on January 27, 2008 at 7:17pm
FROM TROY: No Susan, that wasn't a typo, but just an old transcript. We haven't really got an update from Michael on the Infinite Soul in a while! Maybe we will ask at an upcoming chat!

http://truthloveenergy.com/forum/topics/803120:Topic:738

 

Reply by Michael Entity on January 27, 2008 at 7:19pm
FROM TROY:
I'm not sure what they might have done to become specific candidates for manifesting the Infinite Soul, but I do know they have all been in their last lifetime as 7th Level Old Souls, regardless of Role. According to some transcripts, Michael says that any of us can opt to be in that position and that there are plenty of versions of reality (parallels) to go around to accommodate ALL who are interested!

Boggles the mind.

Troy

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Permalink Reply by Mark on January 27, 2008 at 9:02pm
>>The anticipation of having a manifestation may be exciting, but the indication that your species and the planet are transiting in Soul Age with little incident is equally exhilarating to the Essence. This can be likened to a teenager whose “father” threatens to pull over to make a point, but then the teenager making his own efforts to grow and communicate, resulting in no need for intervention. So our update, as far as we can see at this time, is that you are in a holding pattern. We will comment as this unfolds.

The teenager's getting a little long in the tooth at this point... ;-)

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Permalink Reply by TROY on January 28, 2008 at 11:40am
ha ha Mario, go for it! i'm sure you'd make a lovely host!

troy

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Permalink Reply by Matthew on January 29, 2008 at 11:02am
In channeling on this before, the sheer energy of the infinite soul is something that anyone energetically aware would feel. It's like bringing an impending supernova onto the planet, energetically speaking. This is what Michael means by "bringing the Logos to bear". It's like a supercharger to everyone else's perceptions of interconnections and growth. This is done simply by presence.

This doesn't mean things are "fixed", or even that they'd "look good". In past channeling surrounding Gandhi, the transcendental soul also had a similar kind of effect. One of the effects was that all the blocks of the perception of interconnection came more out into the open, and this contributed to the creation of World War II. Which in turn set the basis for an integrated Europe. It's interesting to note that without this war, there would have been more chance to create a nuclear holocaust in the succeeding years. So an "energy jolt" isn't about being magically saved. Or even feeling good!

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Permalink Reply by TROY on January 29, 2008 at 11:52am
These are interesting takes on the effects and processes of the Infinite and Transcendental Souls. Thanks for sharing.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on July 4, 2008 at 10:53pm
INFINITE SOUL UPDATE
Excerpt from the North Atlantic Region Michael Gathering video transcript
(courtesy of OceanCheryl)
note: You might notice a distinct difference in the vocal flow compared to the written flow. Hearing this is very different from reading it, that's for sure. I've tried to edit to make the reading flow nicer, but still preserve the original feel.

QUESTION
I heard there are a couple of issues on what may happen with the next Infinite Soul, including a different Michael channel saying “look at all the trouble Jesus caused when he showed up.” And that a soul might incarnate in multiple fragments in various places. So I’d like to hear your insights on all this.

MICHAEL:

If the infinite soul manifests (and we’ve seen it come close a few times,) it will usually incarnate only as a matter of bringing Logos to bear, (which basically means "helping get everybody back on the same page, to help get everybody moving in a similar, shared direction.") Ironically, with the anticipation of the manifestation of the Infinite Soul coming, many fragments were born to be a part of that experience, many of them very wise and quite capable of contributing to humanity, even while having a great handful of people causing what you would deem as "trouble." This population has actually helped to bring humanity, people, sentience, back into a similar perspective, a moving forward together.

If you look at the arc of time from approximately the '60s to now, progressively, the world is getting smaller, and that awareness in itself is similar to the impact that the Infinite Soul would have brought, emphasizing the concepts of a global village, "green" living; a more responsible dominion with life rather than a dominance over it.... so now all of the fragments who are incarnated are doing just that. Infinite Soul intervention is not required, which is basically what an Infinite Soul experience is: a form of intervention for a sentient species.

At this point it is looking like humanity is going to right itself in a way that will provide sanctuary for the life that is currently here, and also to help keep human bodies available for incarnation.

We will, however, validate that what we have seen as the "next" manifestation of the Infinite Soul is a showing up in five different places to accommodate the population. The amount of people on the planet is different from in the past, and having a representative in different places in the world, all represented by a similar theme of being a minority figure, represented as a child, a woman, a homosexual... we’re not sure what the other two might be, but the Infinite Soul representatives were what would be deemed a minority, a representative of the minority, and would help bring about the drastic changes that might have been needed.

But we don’t see that as being so necessary at this point.

So, currently, it is still a floating possibility that is less-probable.

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Permalink Reply by Oneness on March 3, 2009 at 12:37pm
I read that Jesus was a 6th Level Old that transformed into a 7th Level Old Soul about a month before his death.

I have been told that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul by one Michael Channel that I have consulted with. I read that Dr. David R. Hawkins in one of his editions of the book Power vs. Force indicated that Mother Meera was an Infinite Soul, but I don't know if that information is listed in a later edition of Power vs. Force.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 1:19pm
Oneness said:

I read that Jesus was a 6th Level Old that transformed into a 7th Level Old Soul about a month before his death.

I have been told that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul by one Michael Channel that I have consulted with. I read that Dr. David R. Hawkins in one of his editions of the book Power vs. Force indicated that Mother Meera was an Infinite Soul, but I don't know if that information is listed in a later edition of Power vs. Force.​

Hi "Oneness"!

According to what I know from Michael (and I don't claim to be the conclusive authority, so please take this as just an offering of perspective), Jesus was always 7th Level Old, but the "manifestation" of the Infinite Soul happened over the final 30 days (or so) of his life.

As for Mother Meera, that's just another example of how an extraordinary person can become deified because we have a hard time accepting that a mere human can be extraordinary, but she's not the Infinite Soul. According to Michael, through several channels I trust, including myself, there are currently no manifestations of the Infinite Soul, only "candidates."

Thanks for the questions!

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 4:29pm
Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

candidates ???
hmmm...that made me laugh, real hard !!!
thank you Troy...

now, do all of us,
hold the potential to be the infinite and trascendental soul - eventually ???

is that the event-u-all goal ???

love susan​

If I understand correctly, 7th Level Old Souls are candidates for Infinite Soul manifestations, but otherwise, yeah, anyone could be a candidate at that soul age. The reason for the 7th Old is because it's a teaching level and clear of most, if not all, Karma, internally and externally.

There are some who think only the exalted Roles could manifest the IS, and still others who think that ONLY Kings can manifest the IS. In my work with Michael, they have said that any Role could manifest the IS because, I mean, it's the IS... it can do anything it wants, lol.

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Permalink Reply by Oneness on March 3, 2009 at 5:55pm
CocteauBoy said:

Oneness said:

I read that Jesus was a 6th Level Old that transformed into a 7th Level Old Soul about a month before his death.

I have been told that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul by one Michael Channel that I have consulted with. I read that Dr. David R. Hawkins in one of his editions of the book Power vs. Force indicated that Mother Meera was an Infinite Soul, but I don't know if that information is listed in a later edition of Power vs. Force.​

Hi "Oneness"!

According to what I know from Michael (and I don't claim to be the conclusive authority, so please take this as just an offering of perspective), Jesus was always 7th Level Old, but the "manifestation" of the Infinite Soul happened over the final 30 days (or so) of his life.

As for Mother Meera, that's just another example of how an extraordinary person can become deified because we have a hard time accepting that a mere human can be extraordinary, but she's not the Infinite Soul. According to Michael, through several channels I trust, including myself, there are currently no manifestations of the Infinite Soul, only "candidates."

Thanks for the questions!​

The information regarding Jesus in being transformed into a 7th level old came from a Michael Teachings site.
Also, here is a celebrity database of Soul Age levels, Overleaves that is a collective listing. http://www.michaelteachings.com/celebrities.html

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Permalink Reply by Oneness on March 3, 2009 at 5:57pm
CocteauBoy said:

Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

candidates ???
hmmm...that made me laugh, real hard !!!
thank you Troy...

now, do all of us,
hold the potential to be the infinite and trascendental soul - eventually ???

is that the event-u-all goal ???

love susan​

If I understand correctly, 7th Level Old Souls are candidates for Infinite Soul manifestations, but otherwise, yeah, anyone could be a candidate at that soul age. The reason for the 7th Old is because it's a teaching level and clear of most, if not all, Karma, internally and externally.

There are some who think only the exalted Roles could manifest the IS, and still others who think that ONLY Kings can manifest the IS. In my work with Michael, they have said that any Role could manifest the IS because, I mean, it's the IS... it can do anything it wants, lol.​

If Jesus was an IS, and he can do anything he wants to do, then why did he agree to be crucified? he could have left, couldn't he? I am just being a little sarcastic. I still haven't figured out why people would kill an iS. that doesn't make sense to me.

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Permalink Reply by Oneness on March 3, 2009 at 6:29pm
ChiaraD said:

When the IS comes and acts in a way that radically challenges their authority on many levels, they kill the IS. Most people are not interested in the Truth, and are in fact often actively hostile toward it.


Oneness said:

CocteauBoy said:

Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

candidates ???
hmmm...that made me laugh, real hard !!!
thank you Troy...

now, do all of us,
hold the potential to be the infinite and trascendental soul - eventually ???

is that the event-u-all goal ???

love susan​

If I understand correctly, 7th Level Old Souls are candidates for Infinite Soul manifestations, but otherwise, yeah, anyone could be a candidate at that soul age. The reason for the 7th Old is because it's a teaching level and clear of most, if not all, Karma, internally and externally.

There are some who think only the exalted Roles could manifest the IS, and still others who think that ONLY Kings can manifest the IS. In my work with Michael, they have said that any Role could manifest the IS because, I mean, it's the IS... it can do anything it wants, lol.​

If Jesus was an IS, and he can do anything he wants to do, then why did he agree to be crucified? he could have left, couldn't he? I am just being a little sarcastic. I still haven't figured out why people would kill an iS. that doesn't make sense to me.​

I know what that feels like. When i try to tell someone the truth and they don't want to hear it, they get hostile at me and all I am trying to do is to help them change something about themselves that they need to change so they can benefit from the change.
http://truthloveenergy.com/forum/topics/803120:Topic:7382?id=803120:Topic:7382&page=2#comments

 

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Permalink Reply by Mark on March 3, 2009 at 6:44pm
Here's an interesting excerpt about Jesus that might apply here, from the book The Magical Approach, by Seth (Jane Roberts):

Christ was not crucified -- therefore he did not resurrect, coming out of the tomb, nor did he then ascend into heaven. In terms of the biblical drama, however, Christ was crucified.

He arose from the tomb and ascended into heaven. The resurrection and the ascension are indeed, however, the two parts of one dramatic event. Dogmatically, arising from the dead alone was clearly not sufficient, for men were to follow where Christ led. You could not have a world in which the newly-risen dead mixed with the living. An existence in a spiritual realm had to follow such a resurrection.

Now in the facts of history, there was no crucifixion, resurrection, or ascension. In terms of history there was no biblical Christ, whose life followed the details given. The organization of the church is a historical fact. The power, devotion, and energy, the organizational expertise of Christianity, cannot be disputed. Nor can it be disputed that Christianity was based upon great religious and psychic vision. To some extent it involved the intuitional reorganization of subjective, and then objective, realities.

I have told you, however, that the world of events springs from the world of ideas. It seems certain that "something" happened "back then" -- and that if you could go back there, invisibly studying the century, you would discover the birth of Christianity. But Christianity was not born at that time. You might say that the labor pains were happening then, but the birth itself did not emerge for some time later.

Jewish shepherds represented the placenta that was meant to be discarded, for it was Jewish tradition that nourished the new religion in its early stages before its birth. Christ, as you know, was a common name, so when I say that there was a man named Christ involved in those events, I do not mean to say that he was the biblical Christ. His life was one of those lives that were finally used to compose the composite image of the biblical Christ.

The mass psyche was seeking for a change, and impetus, a flowering, a new organization. The idea of a redeemer was hardly new, but ancient in many traditions. As I stated before, that part of the world was filled with would-be messiahs, self-proclaimed prophets, and so forth, and in those terms it was only a matter of time before man's great spiritual and psychic desires illuminated and filled up that psychological landscape, filling the prepared psychological patterns with a new and urgent intent. There were many throw-away messiahs--men whose circumstances, characteristics, and abilities were almost the ones needed--who almost filled the psychic bill, but who were unfitted for other reasons: They were of the wrong race, or their timing was off. Their intersection with space and time did not mesh with the requirements.

You must understand the long trail of psychological reality that exists before you have a physical event. You must understand man's need and capacity for fulfillment, dramatization, and psychic creativity.

There is nothing that happened in those times that is not happening now in your own: You have numberless gurus, people who seemingly perform miracles (and some do). So there were in those days some rather disconnected events that served as the focus point for great psychic activity: People wanted to believe, and their belief changed the course of history. It doesn't matter that the events never happened--the belief happened. And the belief was man's response to intuitional knowledge, to inner knowing, and to spiritual comprehension.

These all had to flow into reality, into psychological patterns through man's own understanding. They had to flow into the events of history as he experienced history. They had to touch the times, and they did so by transforming those times for later generations.

I want it understood that the accomplishment is breathtaking in its grandeur--more so because man formed from his psyche such a multidimensional spiritual drama that its light struck upon this or that person, this or that place, and formed a story more powerful than any physical event could be--hence its power.

In those terms, however, again, the gods of Olympus were as real, for all of men's riches are representations, psychic dramatizations, standing for an inner reality that cannot literally be expressed or described--but can be creatively expressed or represented.

Too-literal translations of such material often lead to grief, and the creative thrust becomes lost. The great mystery, of course, and great questions, rest in the nature of that inner reality from which man weans his religions, and in the power of the creative abilities themselves that bring them into birth. Such activities on a large scale are the end result of each natural person's individual relationship with nature, and with nature's source.

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Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on March 3, 2009 at 7:59pm
Go back to the beginning of this thread. You theories and interpretations on Jesus are interesting, but according to my understanding of what Michael has said there were at least 4 or 5 manifestations of the infinite soul. Krishna, Lao Tsu, Buddha, Zoraostra, and Jesus. I remember Jesus was King/Truth, Buddha was Priest/Engery and don't know the others, but thus TLE relates to this concept. As I understood it, Infinite souls were typically Cardinal ie. King, Priest, Sage and Transcental souls were typically ordinal ie Warrier, Server, and Artisian. If I am not mistake Ghandi was the last Transendental soul and was a Server. The Dhali Lama, although not not a TS is 7th Level Old server, if I am not mistaken.

According to what has been said by Michael, Jesus existed as a person. He was human (not the son of God), he was an IS. He died by crucifixtion and he would have died soon anyway if he was not crucified because the IS can't live in a human body long. The engery and vibration are to intense. Troy help me out and correct my mistakes. : ))

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Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on March 3, 2009 at 8:11pm
And another fact about Infinites, as I understand. We don't become Infinite souls. 7th Old is the end of the physical plane. Infinite souls come from reunited entities ie Michael. The are the combined conciousness in human form that is connected to the higher planes. They borrow a 7th Old host to create some necessary change. IS is more spiritual in nature and TS is more social in nature. Look at what Ghandi did.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 8:15pm
Oneness said:

I know what that feels like. When i try to tell someone the truth and they don't want to hear it, they get hostile at me and all I am trying to do is to help them change something about themselves that they need to change so they can benefit from the change.​

Well, you gotta be careful when it comes to helping people to see things differently. For one thing, the "truth" is very relative and so when we push our truths on other people, it's not always one that's good for them, even if we think it is. If someone is reacting hostilely, it might not be about the truth as much as it is about how it is being pushed onto them. It's always a good idea to offer or invite the truth, or our truth, to another person or group, otherwise, we are stripping them of their personal paths and discoveries and choices.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 8:21pm
Shawn Dunlap said:

Go back to the beginning of this thread. You theories and interpretations on Jesus are interesting, but according to my understanding of what Michael has said there were at least 4 or 5 manifestations of the infinite soul. Krishna, Lao Tsu, Buddha, Zoraostra, and Jesus. I remember Jesus was King/Truth, Buddha was Priest/Engery and don't know the others, but thus TLE relates to this concept. As I understood it, Infinite souls were typically Cardinal ie. King, Priest, Sage and Transcental souls were typically ordinal ie Warrier, Server, and Artisian. If I am not mistake Ghandi was the last Transendental soul and was a Server. The Dhali Lama, although not not a TS is 7th Level Old server, if I am not mistaken.

According to what has been said by Michael, Jesus existed as a person. He was human (not the son of God), he was an IS. He died by crucifixtion and he would have died soon anyway if he was not crucified because the IS can't live in a human body long. The engery and vibration are to intense. Troy help me out and correct my mistakes. : ))​

It looks like everything you've said here is in keeping with what I've learned, as well. The Cardinal/Ordinal Roles being more a pattern than a rule, but some students tend to take history as conclusive precedence, but it's just a pattern. Kind of like how there are more Servers than Kings. It's not a rule, it just happens that a pattern forms easily around certain structures.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 8:27pm
Shawn Dunlap said:

And another fact about Infinites, as I understand. We don't become Infinite souls. 7th Old is the end of the physical plane. Infinite souls come from reunited entities ie Michael. The are the combined conciousness in human form that is connected to the higher planes. They borrow a 7th Old host to create some necessary change. IS is more spiritual in nature and TS is more social in nature. Look at what Ghandi did.​

This is also pretty much in keeping with what I've learned. The Infinite Soul is an Entity, Cadre, or Energy Ring representing Truth, Love, or Energy (an angle on the Logos) who manifests through an individual body for a short period of time during the life of a relatively transcendent (clear of karma) 7th Level Old Soul.

But the Transcendental Soul manifests through a body that is host to a representative fragment from the entity who is the TS. In my conversations with Michael, the "displacement" that takes place during this process is better understood as an "absorption." The fragment who was in the body of what the IS uses, literally leaves the body and moves on to its own processes, but the fragment who was in the body of what becomes the TS just expands to absorb the consciousness of the entity from which it comes.

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Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on March 3, 2009 at 8:55pm
Well, I do pay attention although I don't particpate too often. It is nice to that I am learning and "getting it" a little. It is like when I was in school. I had no patience for others who refused to learn and prefered to teach.

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Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on March 3, 2009 at 9:39pm
Maybe Michael said it, but I have always understood that those who can do...do. And those who cannot teach. Haha!

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 10:53pm
Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

another question:
when the ""IS"" comes --
does it come in just as it's CASTING

and, thus that is why they say

jesus was a king ???

was he a king casted server

or, a server casted king ?

or, at that stage do you arrive just in your "casting" ???​

According to most channeling, Jesus was a King Role, but I'm not sure what his Casting was. I'd have to check my records. I think we've had him as Artisan.

The Infinite Soul wouldn't be any specific Role or Casting, though.

On an unrelated note, Susan, what browser are you using? The format of your posts always come out all wonky and almost unreadable.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on March 3, 2009 at 11:10pm
I dunno -- if the IS is a melded blend of an entire Cadre, I doubt that it's a "pure essence" -- other than what it is given in order to become briefly incarnate. I think both role and casting are highly suspect.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 11:16pm
Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

i would think, that when a fragment gets to the point of an IS type of incarnation
it would NOT be, its role, it would be its casting
as, casting is, what we are in PURE ESSENCE​

Oh, I see what you are saying. That's true because the IS is a conglomeration of essences, not a single Essence. In the case with Jesus, it was a King who lived the life UP TO the time of the manifestation of the IS, at which point the King left the body. So the King and the IS are two different things.

Did that clear things up?

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 3, 2009 at 11:32pm
ChiaraD said:

But what about the idea that your casting is what you are in "pure essence"? I've never come across this idea before.​

Oh, I think Susan is talking about the fact that our Role is really only relevant up through the Causal Plane, but beyond that, Casting far more relevant because then we are fully reunited within the Entity, Cadre, Energy Ring, etc. and the mathematical relationships (positions within the entity) become a more specific reference for us.


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Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on March 3, 2009 at 11:43pm
First I think that is is awsome to have such vigorous discussion. As I recall Jesus was a 7th Level old King, but the IS in not a role, it is a part of an entity with many roles. Casting is not relevant in this case, but higher "Michael Math" which I don't completely understand. But on the physical plane I have observed casted in my own family. We are are Old Servers. I am Priest cast, my daughter is King cast, my EX-wife is Warrior. We are all Servers, but the manifestation in personaility is more closer to casting. It is much more recognizable.

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Permalink Reply by Shawn Dunlap on March 4, 2009 at 1:19am
Susan,

You are giving me a ice cream headache. I know my chart at birth. Horoscopes deal with magnetic engery created by the placement of planets and it gets too complicated beyond that for me. Perhaps you can explain it. As I understand it...it deals with false personality...ie Overleaves and physical plane shit, which is what me are all mostly dealing with every day.

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on March 4, 2009 at 1:46am
Susan, I don't agree with your assessment about casting or experiencing Essence. Your Role In Essence is your role. Your casting is part of a Cadence which is part of an entity. Your Cadence is the 7 fragments of the same role (Sage) that are cast together--1 through 7 or Server through King. The first cast of any Cadence is Server. The last-cast is King. If you're a King-Cast Sage, your Essence is going to be Sage. It will have the King--or 7--flavor, but it will be a Sage Essence. Michael says they are Warriors and Kings. They are at the Causal level. And they have all the casting of their entire entity, which are servers through kings, but the only Essences they have are Kings and Warriors.

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on March 4, 2009 at 3:12am
A server doesn't become a king. Your role in Essence is Sage. your casting is King. My role in essence is Sage. My casting is Scholar. You may want to look this up in More Messages From Michael. "Within the Entities Essences are cast and they are cast in sequence" (MMFM p. 190) You are cast from the Tao with your Cadence, which is a subset of your entity. A Cadence is 7 fragments who are all the same role but who are cast or flow out in a particular order. So in your Cadence of Sages is cast this way: 1-Server-cast, 2-Artisan-cast, 3-Warrior-cast, 4-Scholar-cast, 5-Sage-Cast, 6-Priest-Cast,7- King-Cast. But they areall Sages. Casting is as powerful as Role, but they are different.

Michael's Entity comprises Warriors and Kings, but all casting is represented in the entity.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 4, 2009 at 5:45am
Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

perhaps, troy can verify things for all of us ​

Since all of this is rather esoteric, I can't really verify, but I can tell you what's consistent from Michael and how these recent points being discussed sit within the Michael Teachings as I understand them.

Susan is "right" about the Astrology stuff in that the Natal Chart is a description of the lifetime's potentials and plans, while the Progressions and Transitions are how those potentials and plans relate to the present choices and circumstances. Michael has said that the Natal chart is great for a foundation, but that understanding Transits and Progressions is even more immediately practical and accurate to who and where we are in our life at any given moment.

But to compare Astrology with Role and Casting is a little difficult, since they are very different things. Astrology is more comparable to the Overleaves, but not Casting and Role so much, so be careful.

I do think a quick and dirty parallel drawn between Role/Casting and Sun/Rising Sign is okay, but a little off. The Sun/Rising are more functions of the persona, whereas the Role/Casting are functions of the soul. What I've found over all of these years is that the Role is how we "Shine," it's what makes us feel manifested in the world as a whole, while the Casting is how we "Live;" it's a default, a way that we just ARE. For instance, I'm a Sage and I shine when I teach or am helping people to laugh, enjoy life, and have fun, but I'm Server-cast and that seems to be reflected in my days of being deeply entrenched in constant services and one-on-one nurturing.

As far as what Ann has to say, she's right, too. Role is Role and Casting is Casting. They don't morph or "ascend."

Role and Casting are relative terms so that Role describes how we play our part in the universe, and our Casting describes how we play our positions within our sentient family. And keep in mind that when Michael talks about Casting, it's not just the 1 - 7 of the minor Cadence, but ANY group of 7, like the 7 Entities of a Cadre... so the 6th Entity of a Cadre is "Priest-Cast" and a 2nd Entity would be "Artisan-Cast," and even though you have a Casting position within your minor Cadence (which is what most of us mean when we say "casting), your minor Cadence has a position with a Greater Cadence, as well, and so on. By the way, I'm just using "minor" to differentiate the smallest group of 7 fragments from the larger bodies that group in 7's.

Let's see... did I address everything?

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Permalink Reply by Oneness on March 4, 2009 at 1:33pm
Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

changing people is NOT a good re-creation-all activity !!!​

I wasn't talking changing people. I was talking about changing behavioral patterns that aren't healthy and positive. Trying to get someone to stop using drugs and/or alcohol when it affects their behavioral patterns in a negative way, I feel is doing something positive to help someone. Every that I suggest to stop using, I will always offer assistance in them doing so, so they have a friend that cares and will be understanding of what needs to be done in order to stop a self-destructive behavior as lying is usually a result of digesting drugs/alcohol. It's part of the addiction. Plus, getting rid of self-destructive behavior helps them become more spiritually grounded and more honest with themselves and others. Plus, it gets them away from negative energy.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 4, 2009 at 2:19pm
Oneness said:

I wasn't talking changing people. I was talking about changing behavioral patterns that aren't healthy and positive. Trying to get someone to stop using drugs and/or alcohol when it affects their behavioral patterns in a negative way, I feel is doing something positive to help someone. Every that I suggest to stop using, I will always offer assistance in them doing so, so they have a friend that cares and will be understanding of what needs to be done in order to stop a self-destructive behavior as lying is usually a result of digesting drugs/alcohol. It's part of the addiction. Plus, getting rid of self-destructive behavior helps them become more spiritually grounded and more honest with themselves and others. Plus, it gets them away from negative energy.​

Oh, Oneness, yeah, this is a different story from what I initially interpreted from your post; sorry.

I think of this as intervention and not just pushing a truth onto someone. Intervention is motivated by the fact that someone else's ability to choose has become compromised to a great extent. In the end, everything is still everyone's choice (or lack of effort to choose), even if we see it as being so negative, but just because someone's "choice" might be to continue an addiction, that doesn't mean we have no need to offer intervention. Knowing that "everything is choice" on some level doesn't exempt us from doing what we can to help make life better for other people and animals and ourselves.

However angry or hostile someone might get in response to your intervention, I'm glad they have you to at least bring that option up clearly and strongly.

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Permalink Reply by Allan Kimani on March 6, 2009 at 2:01pm
Not to be a nitpicker or prickly but what is the upshot about the infinite soul? What I get is that it is usually a king essence 7th level old essence because none of the other roles can hack the IS's energy. Also that we as humanity because of our getting it together as a people have reduced the likelihood of a manifestation in the next more immediate future-10 or so years. Thing is though what about the manifestation of the IS in the catecean population? How does this bear on the entire planet?

Also I have read that Jesus and John the Baptist shared essences and were comprised of two or more essences. What is the deal with this shared essences thing? Do these essences expand the person/ receptacle kind of l;ike breaking them in? And what is it about the presence of the IS that makes change happen? Lots of questions but in Michaelalia terms this is one of my faves, so anyone with even a shred of insight, please, jump into the proverbail, fray...

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on March 9, 2009 at 11:23pm
Allan, there has been much conflicting info on the essence role that is replaced by the Infinite Soul (IS). Some say, for example, that the Buddha essence was a 7th Old Priest.

This may be one of those things we're not going to get agreement on in the Michael Community. We can't validate it, unfortunately.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on March 10, 2009 at 4:12am
Susan. I've been reading your posts off and on for several years now, and your most recent offerings here on this particular forum. I have to admit that I simply do not understand much of what you post. There is a stream of consciousness quality to it, coupled with too many inappropriate commas, so that it simply becomes too random and irrational. You mix terms from different channeling "philosophies." Michael has a very specific definition for Task Companions and they are all essences from other Entities who have yet to cycle off. They are definitely not on the Buddhaic plane.

None of Michael's teachings have to do with things like the 9th D. Earth.

If you are seriously considering writing teaching books, you need to tighten up your writing style. Punctuate correctly. Take the time to describe in detail the concepts you ascribe to. Set down what you mean with step-by-step details. Students cannot follow teachers who babble disjointed phrases.

Read out loud what you've written so you can listen to yourself. Sometimes, pulling written material in through one's ears gives it meaning or shows up errors.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on March 10, 2009 at 4:43am
Geraldine B said:

Susan. I've been reading your posts off and on for several years now, and your most recent offerings here on this particular forum. I have to admit that I simply do not understand much of what you post. [snipped]​

I have to agree with @GeraldineB. @Susan, you know how much I like you, so I feel bad that I have no idea what you are trying to say most of the time in these public forums. Acckk! I am so sorry.

A lot of what you are saying using Michael terminology isn't the Michael Teachings, at all. For instance, Buddha wouldn't be your Task Companion, at least not by the mathematical and technical definitions that are standard in the Michael Teachings. And then when you mix in terminology from extreme philosophies and teachings that are way out there (compared to Michael), then it gets really confusing. And then punctuation adds to the confusion. I can't tell when a thought, sentence, or question ends and when another begins.

Just a heads up, so you know that some of us are really trying to understand and having a bit of a difficult time. Sometimes knowing that our audience isn't reading us clearly can help us to shape up our thoughts and communication, so I hope this is taken in good light.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on March 10, 2009 at 11:25am
You would have up to 7 TravCs . . . one for the same location for each Entity in your Cadre, including your Essence Twin, if you have one. While not all would necessarily be incarnate, often most would be as you would share more agreements and incarnations with this particular group of kindred essences. In my case, several are family members this time around.

However, all of them would be either on this physical plane or on the Astral plane, part of your Cadre 1.

At this point, Troy, I'm unclear on the entire process of cycling off for Essences into Entity, and then Entities into Cadres, into Cadences, into Energy Rings. I don't know how independent each remains after all Essences have completed their life cycles within an Entity. From everything I've read so far from Michael, the Entity is the primary cohesive unit at least up into the Causal plane.

Geraldine

Simply Susan aka The eXchanger said:

thank you, for your constructive critisms, i appreciate them
after sending this, i was corrected last night,
but, too late, to post to the list,
it is my understanding,
confirmed by another channel,
that we have more than just the "basic" task companions...
and, NOW, i realise,
that it was NOT channeled, as a task companion,
but, it was channeled, as, a travelling companion,
perhaps, it could be worth a shot,
was Buddha, a fragment of another cadre/and, entity group
that has a raw number of 343 !!!
perhaps, Cadre 1, Entity 5...
i will search for my information,
that, is in my journels...
again, it was channeled, as a Travelling Companion, and, NOT a task companion
(although, he helps me, in my healing work - which, is one, of my assortment of tasks, on earth)
love/susan​

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