Pythagoraen Illuminati as an 'Armageddon Conspiracy' of a New World Order

Pythagoraen Illuminati as an 'Armageddon Conspiracy' of a New World Order

shiloh on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:44 am

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[1:46:54 PM - Saturday, August 8th, 2014] Shiloh: [1:18:39 PM] raxnae: what do you think of the illuminists creation myth?

[1:36:36 PM] Shiloh:

Mike Hockney

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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pythagorean Illuminism, the religion of the Illuminati, formally began with the ancient Greek mystic and mathematician Pythagoras and is the world's only "Logos" religion i.e. a rational religion founded on reason, mathematics, science and philosophy. It has no connection with "Mythos" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam which are based on faith, superstition, irrationality, stories, parables, myths, legends and "divine revelation". These religions are wholly false.

Illumination is the only true religion. It's the Grand Unified Theory of Everything, linking science, religion, psychology, philosophy and even the paranormal. It does so via the sole medium of truth and absolute knowledge: mathematics, which Pythagoras declared the arche, the fundamental substance of existence. Ontology and epistemology are finally united in the doctrine of "living mathematics". Mathematics is not a reflection or model of reality. Mathematics IS reality.

Whereas science is based on "mathematical materialism", Illumination uses Leibnizian "mathematical idealism". These are the only two possible accounts of reality. All other systems are bogus, worthless and pernicious.

In order to follow the one, true religion, you must be smart. Quite simply, the truth is not for everyone. The truth is a function of reason, not faith. All atheists, agnostics, skeptics and cynics will find a spiritual home within Illuminism. They are most welcome. "Believers" are not.

The Pythagorean Illuminati are the sworn enemies of Abrahamism (the deranged belief system that God would order fathers to kill their children), privileged elites and the infantile legions of conspiracy theorists. Do not read our books if you would be prepared to murder your child if "God" ordered it, or if you believe in shape-shifting lizards. Only seekers of true enlightenment will profit from reading our work.
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Imagine that a real secret society already possesses such a camera, which operates in accordance with the inviolable, fundamental principles of the cosmos - six-dimensional mathematical idealism (as opposed to the bogus 11-dimensional mathematical materialism of contemporary science based on "M-theory").

The Paradigm Shift is coming. Humanity is about to enter its divine phase.

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[1:38:05 PM] Shiloh: Much of this is VERY GOOD work and insight raxnae. The statement about God, the true and only possible 'god' having to be related intrinsically to codes and 'Pure Mathematics' akin the dream of the Pythagoreans is 100% correct.
[1:39:02 PM] Shiloh: However Hockney and co DO NOT Understand what the LOGOS actually is and behind say the Abrahamic God is they so vehemently portray as some insanity creation of the human mind.
[1:39:39 PM] raxnae: I found it amusing that I have told people that creation myth without actually knowing it from the source as well as having imagined my own creation myth scenario
[1:39:41 PM] Shiloh: And yes, the Jehovah of the Old Testament-Torah etc is none other than a human mentality created memeplex and identical to the Allah of Islam.
[1:40:38 PM] Shiloh: So again, the general thrust of this 'Armageddon Conspiracy and affiliations' movement is appropriate and its dismissal of human created 'religion' is as well.
[1:44:30 PM] Shiloh: But Hockney and co have not succeeded to blend say Pythagorean Omniscience to the ultimate 'templates of creation' . Only the authority of the Cosmic Logos can do this. And as much of the mystery of this Logos is not found in the old alchemy manuals of either the ancient Greeks and Babylonians; nor the modern alchemies of Newton and Leibnitz, but in the 'mystical writings' of the New Testament and the 'words of the Secret Scrolls' (Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea Scrolls etc); the Hockney work paves the way and succeeds to harmonise the notion of 'universal spirituality' with 'hard nosed science', but fails to provide its ontological basis.
[1:46:06 PM] Shiloh: This basis will be found in understanding the 'Creation Event' itself and BOTH in scientific hardcore and in its underpinning 'program', which can be termd the template or blueprint of data encodings.

[1:47:38 PM] Shiloh:

Pythagorean Illuminism, the religion of the Illuminati, formally began with the ancient Greek mystic and mathematician Pythagoras and is the world's only "Logos" religion i.e. a rational religion founded on reason, mathematics, science and philosophy. It has no connection with "Mythos" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam which are based on faith, superstition, irrationality, stories, parables, myths, legends and "divine revelation". These religions are wholly false.

This is the problem see?
[1:48:35 PM] Shiloh: He starts of so well and then collectivises all things 'religion' as some human insanity, which it mostly is.
[1:48:46 PM] raxnae: does the thuban data explain the blueprint?
[1:49:20 PM] Shiloh: The LOGOS is BOTH outside of space and time and within it and it is this which ALLOWS the universe to come into existence in the first instance
[1:49:31 PM] Shiloh: Yes, it does this in many ways, both science based and in the actual rewriting and rewording of those 'secret scripture codes'.
[1:49:50 PM] Shiloh: I have added you to the main chat, as this is of common interest
[1:50:37 PM] Shiloh: Only in a spacetime independent manner can this selfsame space and time come itself into existence
[1:50:51 PM] raxnae: whats the main chat called I can't find it

[1:51:08 PM] Shiloh: Hockney's Logos IS just that and he knows it and describes it rather well and in an informed way
[1:51:33 PM] Shiloh: The Rainbow Dragon
[1:52:46 PM] raxnae: hmm i typed it in the search bar but it isn't pulling it up
[1:54:15 PM] Shiloh: Islam most definitely fits his dismissal and taking the Torah/OT literal also fits this description. But the New Testament, despite its 'mythological overtures' does not, as it allows particular 'codes' to be rewritten and reinterpreted in just the rational and scientific manner Hockney espouses.
[1:55:00 PM] raxnae: thanks for responding btw it gives me a better understanding
[1:55:18 PM] Shiloh: The times will come, when even the literal reading of the NT will be fully understood as a preparation for a New New Third Testament or similar labellings
[1:56:03 PM] Shiloh: You are in this chat and should be able to interact there, once it has loaded. Microsoft has Fuc11ed up skype in many ways
[1:56:41 PM] raxnae: alright must be that
[1:57:20 PM] Shiloh: Yes it has not loaded yet for you
[2:01:55 PM] Shiloh: The 'death of God' is also sort of correct, but should be rewritten as a 'Doubling or twinning' of this God or Source
[2:02:53 PM] Shiloh: Think of it as a ball splitting in two parts and then coming back together with each half-ball becoming a full ball. So 1 becomes 2 with all the initial information preserved.
[2:03:19 PM] raxnae: sort of like regeneration?
[2:03:24 PM] Shiloh: So it is not a 'death' but a doubling of the original Cosmic Identity
[2:03:31 PM] Shiloh: Ah you here. Yes.
[2:03:58 PM] Sirius 17: like meiosis and mitosis yes
[2:04:16 PM] Shiloh: And it is this, which allows a physicality to exist as a mirror to its metaphysical or abstract or spiritual origins as an ontological cosmogony
[2:04:52 PM] Sirius 17: hi rax
[2:04:57 PM] raxnae: hello
[2:04:58 PM] Shiloh: Yes Cellular Mitosis USES just this original source program to be and do what it is and does
[2:05:27 PM] Shiloh: I looked for S. Gates on many forums, but could not find it Ju
[2:05:38 PM] Shiloh: This is a key rax.
[2:05:56 PM] raxnae: I see
[2:06:07 PM] Shiloh: How cells divide. How do they know and what is the natural mechanics behind this process?
[2:06:27 PM] Sirius 17: oh well, I know we did a post on this and I do remember him
[2:07:09 PM] Shiloh: In Hockney-Pythagoreanism you can term this 'Mathematical Induction' or 'Recursivity', using nought but Integer definition to self generate
[2:07:33 PM] Sunshine Pearl Vulpini: Hey you guys
[2:07:46 PM] Sirius 17: hi Sunshine
[2:08:26 PM] raxnae: the macro and micro are mirrored
[2:09:07 PM] Shiloh: There MUST be some abstract 'program encoding pattern' in the nospacetime rax and from the metaphysics, which then, because a physical image universe-world exists, CAN then manifest something from that abstract encoding number pattern
[2:09:50 PM] Shiloh: Biology is discovering things like that in the genome coupling, the epigenetics and the 'junk DNA' which now is misnamed
[2:10:20 PM] Shiloh: The 'Junk dNA' is encoded and serves functionality
[2:11:00 PM] Shiloh: The macro is both encompassing the micro and is also contained in the micro as fractal patterns
[2:11:31 PM] raxnae: yes I've seen an image of that before
[2:12:01 PM] Shiloh: For rational thinkers, the universe is not as mysterious and unknowable as many make it out to be
[2:12:47 PM] Shiloh: This is what I like about the Hockney works, its rationality and recourse to 'hard work thinking'
[2:13:30 PM] Shiloh: The truth is not for everyone in this timespace of the moment - it is not even for the many or some
[2:13:35 PM] Shiloh: It is for very few
[2:14:39 PM] Shiloh: You see, the Pythagoreans placed number at the center of the universe, but they did not dismiss 'creator source'
[2:15:12 PM] Shiloh: Pythagoras is said to have said: "Man know thyself and you will know the universe and God!"
[2:15:43 PM] Shiloh: So in his view, 'God' becomes the ultimate mathematician
[2:16:16 PM] Shiloh: Now in Exodus.3.14, the 'Name of God' given to Moses is; I AM THAT I AM
[2:16:28 PM] Shiloh: This anagrams as MATHIMATIA
[2:16:42 PM] Shiloh: This is one of those 'hidden codes'
[2:16:56 PM] raxnae: I never noticed the anagram in that
[2:17:33 PM] Shiloh: Btw I looked at Hockney's take on Moses and the Exodus within the context of real Egyptian history and could find nothing amiss with it
[2:18:14 PM] Shiloh: Moses did NOT exist and there was no biblical Exodus, BUT there was the Hyksos expulsion etc and Moses is part of the pharaohic names
[2:18:58 PM] Shiloh: There is more to it
[2:19:27 PM] Shiloh: If you study the so called Tetragrammaton and relate it to the Pentagrammaton you also find the 'secret codes' the ptb-illuminati utilizes so much in their buildings, constructions and rituals
[2:20:01 PM] Shiloh: Because I Am (Mirror=That) I Am becomes asymmetric say like GOD|Mirror|GOD
[2:20:32 PM] Shiloh: This is the infamous YaHWHe
[2:20:37 PM] Shiloh: YHWH
[2:20:49 PM] Shiloh: This is 4 tetra
[2:20:54 PM] Shiloh: BUT
[2:21:10 PM] Shiloh: Simply make the 'holy unspeakable name' symmetric
[2:21:28 PM] Shiloh: I AM {THAT} AM I
[2:21:43 PM] Shiloh: It becomes YaHWHeY
[2:21:59 PM] Shiloh: 5 as penta YHWHY
[2:22:27 PM] Shiloh: the male-male 'abomination' becomes GOD|DOG as male-female
[2:22:52 PM] Shiloh: So the 'sin=ignorance of the male male' is MENTAL and not physical
[2:23:14 PM] Shiloh: GOD as image REFUSES to be a GODDESS
[2:23:22 PM] Shiloh: Simple decoding patterns like that and this then becomes the Adam-Eve mythology
[2:24:05 PM] Shiloh: See now, how Hockney and co miss this?
[2:24:23 PM] raxnae: yes
[2:24:25 PM] Shiloh: They cannot see that there are 'hidden meanings' in the myths
[2:24:49 PM] Shiloh: They dismiss this as literal interpretation, which is OBVIOUS nonsense
[2:25:05 PM] Shiloh: Like Noah's flood and the parting of the Red Sea by Moses
[2:29:05 PM] Shiloh: REFUSAL of the Image self is a minor code as LASUFER
[2:29:38 PM] Shiloh: In English of course. In Latin-Greek it becomes Lucifere/Lucid/Lucifer


Imagine that a real secret society already possesses such a camera, which operates in accordance with the inviolable, fundamental principles of the cosmos - six-dimensional mathematical idealism (as opposed to the bogus 11-dimensional mathematical materialism of contemporary science based on "M-theory").

This is another 'letdown' of the Hockney cosmology. To critisize something as complex and as mathematically sound, such as M-Theory, one must know rather a bit about the foundation of such a model. And here then you see Hockney's (or whover wrote this statement) bias towards something he/she does not understand in a sufficient manner to comment on it in the way that he does.
[2:58:05 PM] Shiloh: Here then it is scientific bias, more so then say 'scriptural-religious' bias.
[3:00:19 PM] Shiloh: I know what he means though, as Hockney here tries to place some Pythagorean 'idealism' into the context of modern group theory/algebra. There are just 5 'Platonic Solids', considered by the Pythagoreans to be the 'perfect geometries', upon which the universe is constructed: Tetrahedron, Cube, Octahedron, Dodecahedron and Icosahedron.
[3:00:43 PM] Shiloh: This then relates to 'less perfect' Archimedean geometric symmetries and the like.
[3:02:29 PM] Shiloh: I am mentioning this, to point out how easy it is for really good models and theories to become 'polluted' by human mindedness and erroneous thinking in a mode of intellectual bias and 'preferences'.

[3:30:15 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/Christ-the-Deceiver(1303408).htm
[3:30:25 PM] Sirius 17:

The whole story of Christ is absurd from beginning to end, and anyone who thinks carefully about the Trinity and the Incarnation quickly finds these concepts to be incomprehensible. Is the Trinity even compatible with monotheism? It is truly astounding that this religion has spread all across the face of the earth and has more followers than any other.

The Illuminati will provide the shocking truth about Christ at a later date. The truth is connected with the "ultimate puppetmasters" who have been mentioned before on this site.

[3:30:34 PM] Sirius 17: I found this Hockney guys website
[3:32:04 PM] Shiloh: yes and I have commented just on his not beiung qualified to comment on things, he does not understand for lack of insight and data
[3:32:45 PM] Shiloh: This is the irony and sadness of this.
[3:33:44 PM] Shiloh: he got the Logos correct in its metaphysical link and relationship to physicality; but has blown his 'good work' apart with his hatred of organised politico-cultural religion
[3:34:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes and apparently tossing Jesus out with the bathwater too
[3:34:29 PM] Shiloh: This then disqualifies him and co from being true Logos testifiers, which the ancient Pythagoreans truly were
[3:34:40 PM] Shiloh: Did you expect otherwise?
[3:35:41 PM] Shiloh: Nevertheless and notwithstanding, I am supporting his model for the reason of providing a valid pathway from the skepticism and atheistic viewpoint into true 'Gnosis Scientia'.
[3:36:35 PM] Shiloh: His comments on Islam are spot on, but he cant differentiate between a human minded 'prophet' Mohammed and a ET-Jesus
[3:36:57 PM] Shiloh:

As for Muslims, they sentenced an author to death for writing unflatteringly about Mohammed. They are trying to kill Scandinavian cartoonists who drew Mohammed in an unflattering light. While they are cutting off the heads of innocent victims they have kidnapped, or blowing up hi-jacked planes full of innocent people, or slaughtering innocent people in marketplaces, they shout Allah Akbar - God is Great! They are drenched in the blood of innocents.


These fanatics are dangerous in the extreme. They are imprisoned in an infantile psychological mindset. They are demented children rather than grown-ups. The slightest provocation sends them into blind fury. They have a hair-trigger temper. They can never argue their case as intelligent, thoughtful advocates of their beliefs. They always resort to bombs, guns and swords. Their religions have been a curse on this world. They are an exact reflection of their master, the Demiurge.
Step One of humanity's redemption is the destruction of the Abrahamic faiths that have held us back for so long, that have locked us into the mad mindset of the Demiurge rather than the inspiring perfection of the Absolute Mind of the True God.

[3:37:06 PM] Shiloh: This is basically all correct
[3:37:41 PM] Shiloh: Now if he just could understand John.1.1-10?
[3:38:39 PM] Shiloh: He would find his Logos without any connotations to puerile Christianity concepts following the Council of Nicae, such as the trinity misunderstandings
Hockney obviously prescribes to the 'Christ-Conspiracy' mob of the Zeitgeist-Joseph-Murdock Nabs and so contradicts himself in his previously stated 'anti conspiracy genre' stance
[3:43:40 PM] Shiloh: The Logos deniers, will soon enough become 'face-to-face' with their images of the self-denials

[3:46:02 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Jesus-Myth(1765162).htm
[3:46:31 PM] Sirius 17:

"Illumination, the religion of the Illuminati, is concerned with both the truth and with psychological well-being. The aspect of Illumination that deals with the truth is highly scientific and philosophical, and we shall be outlining it in the coming weeks. This aspect has a specific form. However, the psychological aspect can have whatever form is suitable to prepare the initiate for the more complex aspect. The members of the Illuminati can choose any form of religious devotion they like, and many choose to focus on the ancient gods and rituals of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, Egyptians, Norse, Persians, Babylonians etc. Particularly favoured gods and goddesses are Mithras, Apollo, Aphrodite, Dionysus, Demeter, Ra, Lucifer, Minerva and Janus. None of these is regarded as the “True God” (who is named Abraxas by the Illuminati) but they are all psychologically valuable. No Illuminatus follows any of the gods of the mainstream religions, all of which are children of the Demiurge, psychotic and profoundly damaging psychologically."

[3:49:22 PM] Shiloh: Lol, he acknowledges Abraxas as the archetype for the Logos. As you can see, he is well read; but like the Bonaccis and the O'Collins and co nabsers, not informed enough to escape the deception of the ptb, he is attempting to substitute with his own model of the gnosis scientia
[3:50:37 PM] Shiloh: He likes to critisize the Big Bang say as a materialist concept of nonpurpose, but then does not understand the Big Bang theory enough to provide feasible alternatives
[3:51:18 PM] Shiloh: Attempts to do just this have been rather common place for the last 100 years or so
[3:51:33 PM] Sirius 17: "Towards the end of the 19th century virtually no scientist would have anticipated that Newtonian physics was about to be replaced; nevertheless, it happened. This is one of the greatest strengths of science: the most cherished of theories can be discarded if the facts demand it."
[3:51:34 PM] Shiloh: You can see the aim here dont you?
[3:51:41 PM] Sirius 17: newton has not been replaced lol
[3:51:47 PM] Shiloh: Yes all good, lol. But then he fails to see that his ideal geometries of Pythagoras reappear in the mathematics of the 5 superstring classes and the Cosmic ray spectra and are also encoded in the GOT etc
[3:52:38 PM] Sirius 17: "Scientists actively look for anomalies and inconsistencies. They seek data that doesn’t conform with the expected results. That’s where Quantum Mechanics came from. Classical physics couldn’t account for a number of observed phenomena so had to be discarded, no matter how painful."
[3:52:49 PM] Sirius 17: classical physics has not been discarded either, wow
[3:54:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes he is inconsistent with his refutation of the differing sciences, not realizing they are still in use
[3:54:19 PM] Shiloh: You can forgive him that misnaming. He means that Einstein incoporated Newton and Leibnitz, and not that they have been discarded
[3:54:29 PM] Sirius 17: sure
[3:54:51 PM] Shiloh: He is anti Nabs and this becomes an alleviating circumstance
[3:54:56 PM] Sirius 17: but his wording choice makes him sound like someone under informed trying to sound smart
[3:55:05 PM] Shiloh: Yes very much so
[3:55:20 PM] Shiloh: You watched his video?
[3:55:35 PM] Sirius 17: I am working on it, about half way through
[3:55:37 PM] Shiloh: Its flashy and so good for the nabsers
[3:55:45 PM] Sirius 17: yes much of it is good
[3:56:11 PM] Shiloh: You see how Thuban encompasses such models?
[3:57:21 PM] Sirius 17: of course
[3:57:33 PM] Shiloh:

1 Corinthians 13:9-11 - King James Version (KJV)
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

[3:58:05 PM] Shiloh: Now this is NOT our take or Thubanese; but this is Logos authority
[3:58:22 PM] Shiloh: So only Logos can justify this, not our arguments
[4:00:18 PM] Sirius 17: this is true, did you see min 9:22
[4:00:23 PM] Sirius 17: their 'credo'
[4:01:30 PM] Sirius 17: they condemn all religions, all faiths, all prophets all holy books...ect ect
[4:02:00 PM] Sirius 17: so in condemning all holy books that means the GOT and there you go
[4:02:18 PM] Sirius 17: close but no cookie
[4:03:09 PM] Shiloh: Indeed, close, but not close enough; yet better than nirvana nabs or 'bible bashings' or islam per toto
[4:03:50 PM] Sirius 17: oh for sure
[4:04:19 PM] Sirius 17: this whole video is like one big advert for his books though
[4:04:28 PM] Shiloh: The last 2 videos of Pat Condell on 'Jesus as president of America' and the 'Children of a stupid god' are in that calibre too
[4:04:34 PM] Sirius 17: seems the 'illuminati' are broke and need money lol
[4:04:46 PM] Shiloh: Haha
[4:05:00 PM] Shiloh: Yes, I would not like to 'promote' his books
[4:06:04 PM] Shiloh: But Condell asks to 'be convinced' as to the reality of 'spiritual claims' and so seems more openminded about potential 'changes of his mind'
[4:06:35 PM] Shiloh: Hockney would have a harder time to overcome his biases to see his 'Logos Light of Illuminations'
[4:07:46 PM] Sirius 17: yeah you mean Pat Condell?
[4:08:04 PM] Sirius 17: I think Pat might be closer to the real Jesus here
[4:08:25 PM] Sirius 17: Hockney is tossing him out without question
[4:11:27 PM] Shiloh: Yes
[4:11:29 PM] Sirius 17: Condell seems to of done a bit more 'reflection' and serious deep thinking over Jesus than Hockney



[4:12:09 PM] Shiloh: But you see, why I am publishing this?
[4:12:23 PM] Shiloh: New World Order substitute or proxy
[4:12:32 PM] Sirius 17: yes, clarification
[4:12:34 PM] Shiloh: This is JUST what Thuban represents
[4:12:57 PM] Shiloh: So it serves as a comparison and reference for any real researcher
[4:17:28 PM] Shiloh: So rax did really well, bringing this to our attention. There are two dime a dozen similar websites 'out there' of course, but this one has a mix of anti nabs with an appreciation of science and the metaphysical realism of mathematics and harmonies; but fails miserable to see through the deceptions of the status quo in regards to the non-politisized concept of spirituality as the basis and raison d' etre for the existence of religions
[4:18:24 PM] Shiloh: And as you know, the Dragon-Thuban label is itself a 'cover' and proxy smokescreen or VEIL of EVIL LIVE for the 'wanna bes'
[4:18:39 PM] Sirius 17: yes lol
[4:19:32 PM] Shiloh: And show me the few real 'dragons' who could see through the mists?
[4:19:47 PM] Shiloh: No further comments are necessary
[4:22:10 PM] Shiloh: The wanna bes either stumble on the name of the Fearful Dragon or they are blinded by their hatred of organised religion a la human interpreted
[4:27:56 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Bloodline-Code(1829331).htm
[4:27:59 PM] Sirius 17: oh wow
[4:28:21 PM] Sirius 17: The success of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and The Da Vinci Code proves how well the formulators of the Grail mystery accomplished their task.

We said, "No one has yet solved the fake mysteries, and some may even find them more alluring than the real mystery since they have implications that are as mind boggling as that of the real mystery." We will now admit that the authors of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail did in fact crack the essence of one of the "fake" mysteries - their conclusion that it was connected with a bloodline: with Mary Magdalene, Jesus and the Royal House of David is essentially correct. However, they did not fully solve the mystery that was set: they did not discover the tomb of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, and probe the issue of whether Jesus Christ had two sets of bones! (Anyone who has carefully read our recent articles on Jesus Christ will understand to what we are referring.) Nor did they identify all the members of the main bloodline and provide a list of all those who have held the title of Davidic king "in waiting" since the time of Jesus Christ. To this day, such a person exists, and we will return to this subject in due course.
[4:29:24 PM] Sirius 17: The story of the True Grail and the fake "Bloodline Grail" have a major intersection point that has caused the bulk of the confusion between the two separate mysteries. The key intersection is none other than King Solomon, son of King David, and also a key figure in the ancient Illuminati. It is precisely because he belongs to both mysteries that they have become hopelessly intertwined and confused.

The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail reflects the degree of confusion. It refers to the Cathars, the Knights Templar and the Freemasons in the same context as the Davidic bloodline when, other than Solomon, they have nothing whatever in common. This error is repeated in a multitude of popular books, and it also underlies the absurd proposition that the Illuminati are a secret society of sinister Jewish Elders.
[4:30:10 PM] Sirius 17: The Gnostics, including the Cathars, renounced and denounced Yahweh. They taught reincarnation. They either rejected Jesus Christ or regarded him as a super-angelic being sent by the True God to help humanity: he was a phantom - pure spirit - because he did not enter the evil material world of the Demiurge. He did not enter into a fully human existence, did not die on the cross, and was not resurrected. The Creator of this wicked world of wailing and woe was the Demiurge, not the True God. The Demiurge, Satan, Rex Mundi, King of the World, the Creator of the earth, Yahweh, was evil. Faith was unimportant. Only knowledge mattered. No high priests were needed. The Gnostics taught the opposite of the Jews, so the two can never be equated.

The Holy Blood (sang raal) part of the story is a Judaic tale relating to Jesus, Mary Magdalene and the Royal House of David. The Holy Grail (san graal) part of the story is a Gnostic tale relating to Solomon, the Cathars, and the Templars (from whom the Freemasons later emerged).
The very title The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail enshrines the confusion, and links two concepts that should always be kept separate.
[4:30:58 PM] Shiloh: Yes some 'illumination' there.
[4:31:19 PM] Sirius 17: well this whole article goes into how they have thrown people off
[4:31:45 PM] Shiloh: But the gnostics did not reject Jesus, but some considered him 'ethereal' and not human.
[4:33:57 PM] Shiloh: Well they think they solved some mysteries here and perhaps we should comment on this stuff in detail. As you know some quasi Logos deniers like O'Collins go along this path of Jesus with Mary Magdalene going to France and Europe and being assassinated, dieing there in old age.
[4:34:27 PM] Sirius 17: then he goes into Solomon and Luke and MM's 7 demons
[4:34:36 PM] Sirius 17: are you reading this?
[4:34:40 PM] Shiloh: But he is right in seeing yahweh as the fake god, demiurge or allah
[4:34:58 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[4:35:55 PM] Shiloh: yes, he sees the 'lineages' of Matthew and Luke in the way the 'ptb' and the so called Luciferian cults do.
[4:36:13 PM] Sirius 17: Chapter 21 of Judges then explains that the other tribes felt guilty about what they had done, and tried to reconstitute the tribe by slaughtering the husbands and wives of a foreign city and kidnapping all of the virgins, to be handed over to the surviving Benjamites. It still wasn't enough and the Benjamites were allowed to go raiding to kidnap more women. And all of this was done in the name of Yahweh.

Is Yahweh not Satan himself? Read for yourself the words of Yahweh's "holy" Bible:
[4:36:56 PM] Shiloh: He seems to be well read in the gnostic history of the cathars and the Templars. But I require details to see how much more than the ptb he actually understands.
[4:38:05 PM] Shiloh: There he is messing up, the notion of the 'wives' of the levites and the 'laws' forbidding intermarriage and such things
[4:38:35 PM] Shiloh: he is losing it there with his preconceptions
[4:39:26 PM] Shiloh: But interesting, that he seems to 'study and analyse' the scriptures, yet denies any potency for them
[4:40:08 PM] Sirius 17: well he is pointing out the obvious fallacies
[4:40:18 PM] Sirius 17: and a lot about the demiurge
[4:40:38 PM] Shiloh: Does he refer to the Apocryphon?
[4:40:59 PM] Shiloh: 'Secret Book of John'?
[4:41:20 PM] Sirius 17: The "truth" of the Old Testament is that far from telling the tale of Jewish love and loyalty towards Yahweh, it tells almost the opposite tale: of massive resistance to this cruel and monstrous deity. This resistance endured for centuries, especially amongst the kings of Israel.

In fact, only one group of Jews actively supported Yahweh through thick and thin, and their perseverance through every misfortune eventually paid off. Ostensibly, they were the priests and prophets of Israel, the holy men and patriarchs. But in reality they were the archons of the Demiurge, and they finally managed to get every Jew to worship the Devil. And then every Christian started worshipping this Satan, and every Muslim too. It is the most breathtaking triumph of evil in human history. All across the world, to this very day, billions of people get on their knees and bow down to Satan himself as if he were the True God. The Bible of Satan is read aloud in synagogues, churches and mosques every day all across the globe.

Hundreds of millions have perished because of the Abrahamic faiths. Death and destruction has poured down on the human race. The Four Riders of the Apocalypse have followed wherever the Torah, the Bible and the Koran have been taught.
[4:41:34 PM] Sirius 17: he talks about the gnostic scrolls in the nag hamaddi
[4:42:23 PM] Shiloh: yes and he has found out the truth about jehovah being the same as Allah; but then he dismisses the bible per se
[4:42:31 PM] Sirius 17: but read the above and it shows you how deep his 'nous' goes
[4:42:44 PM] Shiloh: But it would be informative for the many
[4:42:57 PM] Sirius 17: Isn't it time to break the rule of Satan? Many of the ancient Hebrews, foremost amongst them the great Illuminatus Solomon, understood what had to be done.

We honour all those ancient Hebrews, especially the heroic and martyred tribe of Benjamin, the forerunners of the holy Cathars, who saw through the lies of Yahweh and resisted his tyranny. Isn't it time modern Jews did the same? It's no disgrace to admit you were wrong. It would be one of the noblest actions of all time.
[4:43:00 PM] Sirius 17: then he says this
[4:43:58 PM] Shiloh: yes, he sees the orthodox Judaism as being mentally hijacked by their Yahweh, just as the islamists are
[4:44:08 PM] Sirius 17:
Resurrection or Reincarnation?

Following Jesus' alleged resurrection, John 20:14-16 says: [Mary] saw Jesus standing; and she knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith to her, "Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou?" She, thinking it was the gardener, saith to him: "Sir, if thou hast taken him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away." Jesus saith to her, "Mary." She turning, saith to him "Rabboni" (which is to say, Master).

In other words, Mary only knows that it's Jesus because of his way of speaking, his mannerisms, and his presence.

This is the most important section of the Christian Gospels, and of the entire Christian religion. What is truly astounding about it is that it represents the clearest possible proof that the central belief of Christianity is false. This passage from the Beloved Disciple proves beyond any doubt that the claim being made regarding Jesus Christ was not that he was resurrected but rather reincarnated, a spectacularly different concept.

Further evidence of Jesus' radically altered appearance is provided in the following passages:

Mark 16:12 And after that he appeared in another shape to two of them walking, as they were going into the country.

"Another shape"? They mean a different body - reincarnation.

Luke 24:15-16 And it came to pass, that while they talked and reasoned with themselves, Jesus himself also drawing near, went with them. But their eyes were held, that they should not know him.

"But their eyes were held, that they should not know him?" Why not? What did he have to hide? Was he playing mind games? If he had been resurrected in his old body, why was he so reluctant to show himself properly, and instead creating doubt in the minds of his anxious followers? Or is this another passage showing that he was in fact in a new body because he had been reincarnated?

No wonder Doubting Thomas was so doubtful: he literally couldn't believe his eyes because the person in front of him clearly didn't look anything like Jesus.
[4:44:21 PM] Shiloh: But any Thuban knows all this from the apocryphon.
[4:45:08 PM] Shiloh: Utter misunderstanding there. It reads like a 'shapeshifting reptilian' a la nabs galore
[4:45:14 PM] Sirius 17: exactly
[4:45:49 PM] Sirius 17: John 21:4 But when the morning was come, Jesus stood on the shore; yet the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

Why not? Because his appearance was entirely different thanks to the fact that he was in a new body as a result of reincarnation.

John 21:12 Jesus saith to them, "Come, and dine." And none of them who were at meat, durst ask him, "Who art thou?", knowing it was the Lord.

Why would they be tempted to ask Jesus who he was if he looked exactly like his former self, so clearly he didn't? As with the incident involving Mary Magdalene, it is Jesus' presence that identifies him, not his appearance, which is manifestly utterly different from his previous appearance.

Ask any Christian to rationalise these passages from their "infallible" Gospels. Ask them why they are not regarded as definitive proof of reincarnation rather than bodily resurrection. If bodily resurrection had indeed taken place, no one would have had the slightest difficulty recognising Jesus Christ.

So, which is the greater cover-up: the fact that Jesus was married and had children, or that Jesus was not resurrected at all, but reincarnated? Either way, both are deadly to the Christian faith.
[4:46:04 PM] Shiloh: As you know ANYONE denying the physical bodily resurrection is an antichrist by logos definition
[4:46:34 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[4:46:34 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[4:47:58 PM] Shiloh:


1 John 4.3 - KJV
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

[4:48:58 PM] Sirius 17:

"The theory of resurrection is, actually, incredibly complicated when it is studied properly, and many simplistic assumptions have to be cast aside. The standard version of resurrection theory can be challenged straight away by asking why is a body needed at all for the immortal, immaterial soul i.e. what actual function is served by bodily resurrection?

Most Christians have no idea of the confusion that exists in resurrection theory. For example, they are completely unable to say what the difference is between the Last Judgment and the "Particular" Judgment."

[4:49:43 PM] Sirius 17: I wonder if this guy has ever read the GOT
[4:49:46 PM] Sirius 17: like ever
[4:49:50 PM] Sirius 17: lol
[4:50:45 PM] Sirius 17:

Here's what Wikipedia says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Roman_Catholicism

Belief in the last judgment (sometime said universal judgment) is held firmly inside Roman Catholicism. Immediately upon death each soul undergoes the particular judgment, and depending upon the state of the person's soul, goes to heaven, purgatory, or hell. The last judgement will occur after the resurrection of the dead and the reuniting of a person's soul with own physical body.

The Catholic Church teaches that at the time of the last judgment Christ will come in his glory, and all the angels with him, and in his presence the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare, and each person who has ever lived will be judged with perfect justice. Those already in heaven will remain in heaven; those already in hell will remain in hell; and those in purgatory will be released into heaven. The Roman Catholic Church holds no doctrinal position on the fate of those in Limbo. Following the last judgment, the bliss of heaven and the pains of hell will be perfected in that those present will also be capable of physical bliss/pain. After the last judgment the universe itself will be renewed with a new heaven and a new earth.
This is called having your cake and eating it. You get an immortal soul that can detach itself from your body upon death and go straight to heaven, and a body that is eventually resurrected. But if your soul can exist in heaven without a body, why does your soul then have to be reunited with your body at the Last Judgment? And what age will this body be? If you died at 100 years-old, presumably you get a younger, healthier body…bit how young? And why do you need lungs and sex organs in heaven where there is no air and no sex? And why do you need to eat and drink? Do you urinate and defecate? What are the sewers like in heaven? None of it makes the slightest bit of sense.

[4:50:48 PM] Sirius 17: omg
[4:51:01 PM] Sirius 17: see, no sex in heaven, NO NO NO NO lol
[4:51:25 PM] Sirius 17: he requires imagination
[4:51:30 PM] Sirius 17: for hell sake
[4:54:46 PM] Sirius 17:

"The first passage we quoted from John tells us two things: Jesus' own wife, Mary Magdalene, did not recognise him after his resurrection. Nor did she think that he was some mystically transformed supernatural being from the celestial plane. Rather mundanely, she mistook him for the gardener."

[4:54:56 PM] Sirius 17: LOL that is because he WAS the Gardner
[4:55:11 PM] Shiloh: Yes, just beginning to 'intellectually analyse the resurrection in a non-scientific manner' shows that he is now following the path of human self delusions
[4:56:08 PM] Shiloh: He is right out of his depth here and is going into human deceiver mode par excellence
[4:56:15 PM] Sirius 17: oh boy
[4:56:37 PM] Shiloh: Pure human minded speculations
[4:56:45 PM] Sirius 17:

If you are a Christian and you believe that Christ lived on after his death on the cross then, if you acknowledge the truth of your own holy scriptures, you have no option but to recognise that the tale of Jesus Christ relates to reincarnation and not resurrection. Jesus' "soul" did not return to his former body but instead transferred to a completely different body.

And you have to ask yourself why no one has ever mentioned this before when it is so plainly stated? Is that what brainwashing does to people? Billions of people have had the gospels drummed into their heads from birth, yet not one of them has ever challenged the one core resurrection belief of Christianity, which is actually conclusively and irrefutably disproved by the Gospels. Christianity is the biggest deception in history and yet, remarkably, it apparently didn't seek to deceive anyone because it openly states the truth of reincarnation rather than resurrection.

[4:57:40 PM] Shiloh: Even nabsers have a better understanding about the nature of a potential 'light body'
[4:57:49 PM] Sirius 17: well Tony, perhaps no one has told Hockney about quantum immortality lol
[4:57:59 PM] Sirius 17: true,they do
[4:58:07 PM] Shiloh: It is getting too silly to share this
[4:58:12 PM] Sirius 17: at least they understand the merkabah
[4:58:30 PM] Shiloh: But it is a good contrast
[4:59:09 PM] Sirius 17: yes but FYI ....hockney possesses no extraordinary nous
[5:01:33 PM] Shiloh: I did not claim, that he had
[5:01:45 PM] Sirius 17: very very few people do, but they do exist, for those that can 'hear'
[5:02:05 PM] Sirius 17: I know
[5:02:19 PM] Shiloh: I said, that he is on the correct path to relate the 'true God' concept or nature to pure mathematics and as honoured by the ancient Pythagoreans
[5:02:25 PM] Sirius 17: i was not talking to you persay
[5:02:43 PM] Sirius 17: but other readers
[5:02:54 PM] Shiloh: Oh ok, lol - I wondered about you questioning my judgements
[5:03:07 PM] Sirius 17: hahaha don't be obsurd
[5:03:32 PM] Shiloh: The more you study DETAILS on his writings, the more you see plain human mindedness and ignorance
[5:04:19 PM] Shiloh: I must end the message with a disclaimer of not recommending Hockney's and co's books
[5:05:06 PM] Sirius 17: no, my assessment is he is not the 'real' deal and a pretender illuminati if that
[5:05:25 PM] Sirius 17: but it sells books
[5:06:05 PM] Sirius 17: all this mysterious demeanor he has crafted
[5:07:55 PM] Shiloh: I agree with you; but it is just this 'clout of mystery' which so often seduces the naiveties and gullibility of the nabsers
[5:08:26 PM] Sirius 17: yes indeed
[5:08:34 PM] Sirius 17:

The Davidic Line

The Desposyni (from the Greek meaning "of or belonging to the master or lord") is a term describing the blood relatives of Jesus. Jesus had many brothers and sisters, and eventually had four children, so the Desposyni became quite a large group over the years.

Jesus married Mary Magdalene at the wedding feast at Cana. By the time of Jesus' crucifixion, Mary was pregnant with their first daughter Sarah.

Mary Magdalene went to France accompanied by Jesus (in reincarnated form), Joseph of Arimathea (brother of Jesus), Martha (sister of Mary), Lazarus (brother of Mary), Salome (sister of Jesus), Joanna (sister of Jesus), Mary (sister of Jesus) and Mary (mother of Jesus). In other words, the party that went to France consisted of members of the two families of the married couple Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

In France, Mary and Jesus had a son (also called Jesus, or, rather, Yehoshua), another daughter (Tamar), and a second son Joseph (Yosef).

Jesus' secret teaching to all of those who went with him to France was that when he had prophesied that he would rise again, he actually meant that he would be reborn via reincarnation. (Normally, but not necessarily, reincarnation takes place via babies, not adults.) Jesus explained that he had no choice but to use the language of resurrection rather than reincarnation in his public pronouncements because that's what Judaism taught and it would have been suicidal to teach a gentile Greek and Eastern doctrine of reincarnation.

[5:08:38 PM] Sirius 17: this is really silly
[5:10:05 PM] Sirius 17:

As we explained in a previous article, Jesus' original plan was to fake his death on the cross and then emerge "resurrected" from his tomb. In the religious mania that would surely ensue, the Romans would be forced out of Judea by a huge and unstoppable popular uprising, Jesus would depart the country forever (he would claim to have "ascended to heaven"), and his brother James the Just would assume the role of the Davidic priest-king.

Over time, if it were deemed advantageous, the new teaching of reincarnation would be introduced to the kingdom of Israel. Otherwise, it would remain a secret teaching amongst the elite.

According to the French writer Michel Tournier, a "diabol" is a symbol which has become autonomous, and taken on a life of its own. Like Frankenstein's monster it attacks those who created it. As Tournier implies, those who live by symbols can die by them too. Christianity will die when its false doctrine of resurrection is finally destroyed.

Have another look at Leonardo da Vinci's famous painting The Last Supper:

[5:10:50 PM] Shiloh: And yet, his anti nabs stance will so serve the purpose to confuse the human mindedness of the major part of the mainstreamers and alternatives even more. Not that this is a good thing, but it might be required to maximise the cosmically necessitated polarisations preceding the beginnings of a real 'New World and Heaven'

[5:11:26 PM] Sirius 17: [5:09 PM] Sirius 17: <<< Over time, if it were deemed advantageous, the new teaching of reincarnation would be introduced to the kingdom of Israel. Otherwise, it would remain a secret teaching amongst the elite.

this is such BS, many other cultures not just the 'elites' and secret societies knew of reincarnation, what a crock
[5:12:01 PM] Shiloh: As said human minded delusions reign supreme in the nabs camp and the other camps alike
[5:12:05 PM] Sirius 17: anyone with any reincarnational memories would know of it
[5:14:42 PM] Sirius 17:

There are four theories about the figure to the left of Jesus Christ as we look at the picture:

1) It is John, the Beloved Disciple (the conventional theory).

2) It is Mary Magdalene, wife of Jesus (let's call it the Dan Brown theory).
3) It is the Beloved Disciple defined as a coded hybrid of Mary Magdalene and her brother Lazarus.

4) It is the young man into whom Jesus Christ reincarnated after his death. The idea that they are the same but different is coded in the fact that their clothing is identical, but where Jesus has red, the other has blue, and where Jesus has blue the other has red i.e. they complement each other perfectly. They make a single whole: two in one. Da Vinci is providing a visual representation that Jesus wasn't resurrected at all, but reincarnated.
To which theory do you subscribe?

*****

And what of the Davidic bloodline today? That's where Supriem Rockefeller, the Thule Society and the Brotherhood of the Shadows come into the frame. We will elaborate on this in our next article next week.

[5:15:17 PM] Sirius 17: although this little tidbit about the clothing of the disciple on the 'left' figure of Jesus is interesting
[5:15:37 PM] Sirius 17: that one did escape me, the blue on red and red on blue
[5:26:33 PM] Shiloh: The correct interpretation is 1) with 2)
[5:26:46 PM] Shiloh: It is however related to this GOT:
[5:27:24 PM] Shiloh:

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

[5:27:44 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[5:28:03 PM] Shiloh: And so 3) also becomes included and 4) in a way per this GOT
[5:28:13 PM] Sirius 17: true
[5:28:44 PM] Shiloh:

(108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

[5:29:05 PM] Shiloh: And this as 3)
[5:29:27 PM] Shiloh: Not so hard to decipher for the 'true proxy illuminated PTB' lol
[5:29:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes lol
[5:29:41 PM] Shiloh: Your favourite
[5:29:47 PM] Sirius 17: it is
[5:29:57 PM] Sirius 17: the living words
[5:29:58 PM] Shiloh: I will add the pic to this

​

[5:30:31 PM] Sirius 17: but no i mentioned the painting because i had not noticed the detail in the coloration of the robes before, that they were opposite to each other
[5:30:47 PM] Sirius 17: but that is even further illuminating and supportive
[5:31:37 PM] Sirius 17: Leonardo was a fuc11ing genius
[5:32:21 PM] Sirius 17: the more i look at his work the more i see
[5:32:41 PM] Sirius 17: mona lisa is so clever, he knew back then
[5:32:48 PM] Sirius 17: it is him as her
[5:32:54 PM] Sirius 17: self portrait
[5:32:58 PM] Shiloh: he created the Adam Kadmon as Vitruvian Cosmic Man and the Mona Lisa as an allegory to Mary Magdalene
[5:33:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[5:33:07 PM] Shiloh: Hehe, yes
[5:33:31 PM] Shiloh: True Gnosis aka Insight aka Science aka Illumination
[5:34:33 PM] Shiloh: Leonardo had it, Newton had it, Einstein had it and many native elders have it and most human minded ones dont have it. And you don't have to be a member of a 'secret society' or cult to have it. All you have to have is the Love of Abba in your Mind and Heart and the Love of Baab in your Heart and Mind to have it. But those last two criteria are impossible to attain without the truth and the Life and the way of the One true Logos of all worlds. And this Logos cannot be perceived by old human mindedness and its associated mental immaturity, ignorance, self pretension and plain stupidity
nice
[5:50:53 PM] Shiloh: Red is the Colour of the Dragon in Revelation 12 as the Devil being cast out of heaven.
[5:51:41 PM] Shiloh: Now tell me the colour required to neutralise this 'Evil Serpent' to render it neutral as either pure White in radiation and as pure black in matter?
[5:52:53 PM] raxnae: green?
[5:53:07 PM] Shiloh: Kachina of the Hopi - the Blue Star of Hope and a new World, so often nabs misrepresented
[5:53:07 PM] Sirius 17: blue
[5:53:35 PM] Shiloh: Of course and in particular Cyan or Skyblue and Leonardo as a painter of course knew this
[5:53:47 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[5:54:19 PM] Shiloh: Mixing a pure shade of red with a pure shade or hue of cyan in paint and in equal proportion will give you black

 

shiloh on Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:24 am

On Abraxas - God of the true Illuminati?​

Published on 4 Apr 2012


"The Illuminati is an ancient secret society that seeks to bring about a New World Order based on the principle that everyone has it within them to literally become God.

The ten most influential Grand Masters of the Illuminati are: King Solomon the Apostate, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe and Hegel.

This video features a reading of the front page of the Illuminati's Armageddon Conspiracy website. This webpage is not for the faint-hearted. It contains an enormous amount of philosophical, psychological, political, historical, scientific and religious content. If you are interested in embarking on the spiritual journey of your life then you have opened the door to a mansion of wonders. If, however, you have come in search of aliens, pan-dimensional lizards and evil Illuminists relentlessly plotting against the ordinary people of the world then you have arrived at the wrong destination. Makow, Icke, Jones and their ilk will be more to your taste.

The aim, as it has always been, is to overthrow the network of elite, dynastic families of wealth and privilege that we refer to as the "Old World Order" who have run this world since the dawn of civilization, to their maximum advantage and to the extreme detriment of the people.

The Illuminati is a radical and indeed revolutionary organization that seeks nothing less than to assist the ordinary men and women of the human race to ascend to the next stage of humanity's divine evolution. The Illuminati describe this higher level as the "Community of Gods" or the "Society of the Divine."

It's time to end the reign of the false prophets, the fake gods and the tawdry idols that we call "celebrities". We're sick of the bankers and traders, the lawyers and accountants, the politicians and their "special advisers" the lobbyists and spin doctors, the agents and gatekeepers, the CEOs and chairmen, the advertisers and marketing men. We're sick of all the same faces of the "top" people and their relentless tricks and tactics to keep enriching themselves at the people's expense. We're sick of the government's "Freedumb and Dumbocracy" that cons people into voting for the rich and the apologists for the rich, and we're sick of the Abrahamic religions that keep billions of people on their knees as slaves to a tyrant masquerading as God.

You know that humanity is capable of so much more. Isn't it time to bring about real change? Isn't it time to seize your divine inheritance?

The Illuminati are the messengers of the True God. Our sacred mission is to bring humanity into full union with the True God so that there is no longer any distinction between the human race and the divine essence. Our Order is able to show how this can be achieved using Einstein's theories of special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics. It's time for humanity to open its eyes and see the divine light for the first time. Its religion is called Illumination. We have emerged from the shadows to cast the light of Abraxas, the True God, on this benighted world; to bring Illumination - enlightenment - to everyone."

http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk

The Armageddon Conspiracy novel can be found here:

http://www.smashwords.com/profile/vie...


The Creation Myth


So, what is the Illuminati's Creation Myth?

In the Illuminati's initiation ceremony (a deliberately distorted parody of which is presented in The Millionaires' Death Club), this myth is presented in a dramatic form using elaborate visual and sound effects. Each initiate is given a drink of a rare red wine containing a special ingredient to "open" their minds fully to the experience. The impact of the event is astonishingly potent. In this article, words will have to suffice. These are not the actual words of the ceremony (which are delivered as a glittering grand oration by a spellbinding speaker), but they present the decisive ideas.


*****

Imagine that billions of years ago, there was no physical universe at all. The only thing that existed was "God" - an entirely incorporeal spirit. He was pure thought: Absolute Mind. After eons of contemplation, God reached an extraordinary decision: he was going to commit suicide. It was time for him to bring about the most momentous event of all time - his own death. The Death of God.

But how does God kill himself? Isn't it impossible by definition? After all, you can't kill the eternal, the immortal, the deathless. You can't kill existence itself, and that's exactly what God was: existence itself. And if he was all there was, what would be left when he was dead?

God understood that the only true death he could experience would be one of transformation; he could make himself into a new form of existence. He would be reincarnated, so to speak. He would no longer be pure mind but would incorporate a revolutionary new substance that he had decided to create - matter. Yet matter, because it came from God, would be infused with "Godness". Every particle of matter, regardless of how humble and seemingly insignificant, would be a spark of God. And all of these sparks would, buried within them, have an irresistible desire to reconstitute God.

God's infinitely inspired idea was that the ultimate creative act was to create himself. God was going to become God. There could be no more divine deed.

So God, a being who did not exist in physical space, a being who existed outside of space and time, a being of infinite power, of infinite spiritual and intellectual energy, decided to self-detonate - to turn that infinite energy of the mind into the infinite physical energy of the universe of matter. He would die in order to be reborn. Eons after his "death", all of the physical particles that his death had liberated - the great multitude of "divine sparks" - would find a way to bring him back to life in a new form. He would give birth to himself.

God would live, die, be reborn and live again. He would undergo samsara. He would demonstrate his infinite power, his eternal fearlessness, his infinite intellectual curiosity. He would gain complete and final knowledge of existence. If he did not kill himself he would never know what it was like to die. His knowledge would be incomplete. He would be lacking, imperfect. How could he be any judge of mortality if he himself had not undergone the fate of mortals?

How can you be God if you have never died? You can only understand death by experiencing it. Also, how could God understand doubt if he had never experienced that either? By killing himself there was an outside chance that he might never come back to life in anything like his former glory. There would be an inescapable element of doubt.

All sorts of things that God would never understand otherwise would become known to him if he killed himself. It was the only way to attain supreme self-knowledge, to attain the perfection demanded of God.

Odin, the chief of the Viking gods, voluntarily sacrificed himself to himself in order to attain higher wisdom:

"For nine nights, wounded by my own spear, consecrated to Odin, myself consecrated to myself, I remained hanging from the tree shaken by the wind, from the mighty tree whose roots men know not."

Odin was one-eyed because he had given the other to Mimir, the wisest of all the Viking gods, who existed only as a head (having been decapitated by his enemies). For the payment of his eye, Odin was granted consultations with Mimir's head, known as the "Father of Wisdom". Self-sacrifice lies at the heart of all strivings to increase knowledge. Those who lack the strength, those who are too cowardly, will always turn away from the harsh lands of self-improvement to the sybaritic palaces of easy pleasures and cheap fun, to all the petty comforts and joys that surround us, tempting us away from the hard and often thankless work that underlies all progress.

The Vikings anticipated an apocalyptic event called Ragnarok that would bring about the death of the gods. But, afterwards, life would be reborn and new gods would appear. Ragnarok was as much a moment of beautiful rebirth as of Armageddon.

In the tale of the Egyptian god Osiris, he is killed, his body dismembered and the pieces scattered. His consort Isis then tracks down the parts and painstakingly reassembles the god.

In the Greek tale of Zagreus, the god is also killed and dismembered, but his heart is saved by Zeus and used to give birth to Dionysus.

In Christianity, "God" dies and then is resurrected.

The idea of the god who dies and comes back to life (sometimes in a radically different form) is a strong feature of many religious traditions.


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Fourteen billion years ago, the divine moment came. "Let there be light!" said God, and there was light. He self-immolated in the greatest explosion of all time - the creation of the universe of matter from the universe of mind in a single apocalyptic event. From physical nothingness - the pure mind of God - came all the "stuff" of the physical universe. The moment of God's death was the moment of Creation. It was the "Alpha Point."

The physical universe is teleological: it has a purpose, a desired end, an "Omega Point." That end-point is the regenerated God. The physical universe that was born of God seeks to become God anew; not the old God of pure Mind, but a new God of Mind and Matter.

God knew that the creation of matter would not mean the elimination of mind. Rather, just as matter is a form of energy (as Einstein demonstrated), it is also a form of mind because it originated in mind. It is mind with physical dimensions rather than pure, dimensionless mind.

The universe is alive. It is an organism. It thinks. It seeks. It strives. The universe has a soul. It is forever trying to find its way back to its divine origin. It is travelling dialectically from Alpha to Omega.

We human beings contain the divine spark. We are all fragments of God. We will be complete only when we have reassembled as God. That is the fulfillment of our divine human mission.

The True God is the Deus Absconditus - the Hidden God. One day he will be the Deus Manifestus - the Revealed God. We are all part of the revelation. We are hidden gods in a universe that does not yet know it is God but is evolving towards being God.

Just as humanity was born of a primordial chemical soup on a "lifeless" rock in space, so God will be born of stardust in a seemingly lifeless universe. We are all glittering stars and one day we will come together in the brightest star of all - God himself. This is humanity's destiny. Is that not an inspiring vision of humanity? We are not mere humans; we are divine beings, a community of gods en route to becoming God himself: God Reincarnated, God Resurrected, God Reborn.

This "myth" explains how the universe was created - by a non-physical energy (the mind and spirit of God) being transformed into physical energy, but still fundamentally imbued with the mind and spirit of God. It explains how life came into existence: the universe was created from life (God's) and is everywhere infused with God's life. It explains why we are conscious beings (we reflect the implicit consciousness of God that pervades the universe). It explains why we have a sense of a soul and immortality, of a future paradise, and why humanity has always spoken of gods and God. It explains evolution - we are evolving towards God. It gives a precise meaning to our lives.

And what of evil in the Illuminati's Myth? Good and evil are defined in terms of altruism and selfishness. The more selfless and altruistic an action is, the more "good" it is. The more self-interested and selfish an action is, the more "evil" it is. So, a serial killer who treats his victims as nothing but objects designed for his personal pleasure, who denies their unique humanity, is utterly evil. Privileged families that are determined to always seek their advantage at the expense of other families are evil. Bankers who care only about the size of their bonuses and nothing for other people are evil. Politicians who serve themselves (and the lobbyists who pay them so lucratively) are evil. Greedy bosses who exploit their workers are evil. Those who gratuitously harm others are evil. Those who do unto others as they would never wish done unto them are evil. Evil - in the form of greed, selfishness and self-interest - is all around us. We are saturated with it. Our world drips with evil. True goodness, on the other hand, is rarer than the most precious gold in this fallen world of ours.

The Demiurge is a dialectical stage in God's development as he gradually regenerates himself. He must pass through evil in order to know good. He must be selfish and self-interested before he can become altruistic and selfless. The Demiurge is God at a primitive stage of his development, before he has understood himself.

The Demiurge is, to God, as the infant human is to the mature adult. An infant is a screaming, tiny tyrant, wailing and bawling if it does not get its own way, if its parents don't drop everything to attend to its every need and whim. It cares nothing for others. It is driven entirely by its id. It's a monster of narcissism and ego, of complete lack of regard for others. It is ruled by the pleasure principle. I WANT is its mantra. GIVE IT TO ME. WORSHIP ME. I AM THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE. (And doesn't that sound like the bankers who almost bankrupted the world?)

The mature adult, on the other hand, is guided by the superego rather than the id. The mature adult is attuned to others, and takes them into consideration at all times.

The Demiurge is the True God's shadow in Jungian terms: the primitive, immature, dark, unenlightened, destructive and selfish aspect that must be overcome if God is to become his true Self.

God, exactly like us, is on a dialectical path, seeking to overcome the negative parts of his psychology that hold him back from full self-actualisation, from becoming everything he has it in him to become - perfect.


Is that not the true meaning of the statement that we are created in God's image? Is that not the true meaning of the ancient wisdom As above, so below?
The Abrahamic faiths have destroyed all truth relating to God. They worship an earlier, monstrous version of the dialectical God rather than the True God he is becoming. They worship the spoiled infant rather than the self-realised adult. They have committed the cardinal error. They worship the Shadow. They are shadow creatures themselves. They are the Brotherhood of the Shadow. No mistake could be more profound. As soon as you realise that the Jews, Christians and Muslims are backward, primitive people locked into a destructive, infantile, deluded psychology, you understand why the world is as it is. This world is a child that needs to become an adult.

The Jews, treated as subhuman during the Holocaust, now treat the Palestinians as subhuman. Thousands of years ago, in the name of their God, the Jews violently stole the land of the ancestors of the Palestinians (the Canaanites). Nothing much has changed. They are drenched in the blood of innocents.

Christian pilots and soldiers wreak vast destruction on Muslim civilians and then claim it was unavoidable "collateral damage" (i.e. innocent Muslims are to be treated like objects that got in the way). They talk about waging a Just War, of fighting for freedom and democracy, of being the "good guys". Who are they kidding?They are drenched in the blood of innocents.


As for Muslims, they sentenced an author to death for writing unflatteringly about Mohammed. They are trying to kill Scandinavian cartoonists who drew Mohammed in an unflattering light. While they are cutting off the heads of innocent victims they have kidnapped, or blowing up hi-jacked planes full of innocent people, or slaughtering innocent people in marketplaces, they shout Allah Akbar - God is Great! They are drenched in the blood of innocents.


These fanatics are dangerous in the extreme. They are imprisoned in an infantile psychological mindset. They are demented children rather than grown-ups. The slightest provocation sends them into blind fury. They have a hair-trigger temper. They can never argue their case as intelligent, thoughtful advocates of their beliefs. They always resort to bombs, guns and swords. Their religions have been a curse on this world. They are an exact reflection of their master, the Demiurge.


Step One of humanity's redemption is the destruction of the Abrahamic faiths that have held us back for so long, that have locked us into the mad mindset of the Demiurge rather than the inspiring perfection of the Absolute Mind of the True God.



The "God" of the Torah, Old Testament and Koran is the Demiurge. He is drunk on power. He wants humanity to submit to him, to worship him, to glorify him, to be permanently in his thrall. He is jealous, angry, spiteful, cruel, partisan, tyrannical, narcissistic, violent, psychopathic. He is an overgrown, spoiled child. And he has shaped us in his own wicked, destructive image, hence why we are so fallen.

But here is a remarkable truth: it is not God who redeems humanity, but rather humanity that redeems God. Our dialectical role is to show the Demiurge the error of his ways. If humanity can escape from the "selfish gene" with which the Demiurge has fashioned humanity, if humanity can turn away from blatant self-interest, greed and selfishness towards selflessness and altruism, then we will demonstrate to the Demiurge that we are morally superior. It is only then that the Demiurge, a being that labours under the delusion that he is the True God, will see that he cannot be what he believes himself to be. The Demiurge - Jehovah/the Christian Triune God/Allah - is the antithesis of the True God. He is also an unavoidable dialectical stage in the evolution of the True God. God cannot have a full understanding of good and evil unless he himself has been evil and then transcended that benighted state. If he had never known evil then he would be nothing but an innocent simpleton. Celibate Catholic priests are laughed at when they offer advice to married couples about sexual matters. How can they comment on something about which they have no experience? To talk the talk, you must have walked the walk. By the same token, God cannot be a judge of good and evil unless he has a perfect understanding of evil by having experienced it himself. This is the dialectical truth of God. It is pure heresy to Christians, Muslims and Jews, of course…but these are religions that are controlled by the deluded Demiurge so it hardly matters what they think.

God comes to full self-realisation and moral perfection through humanity. It is we who shape God. If we can be morally superior to the Demiurge then he will be shaped in our image rather than we in his. It is our divine, dialectical task to transcend the Demiurge and lead him onto the true path.

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What does science say about Creation? Fourteen billion years ago, a universe emerged from literal nothingness (no scientist can credibly explain this, and none can explain what was happening prior to the Big Bang). Although the universe is not "alive" and is not permeated with "mind", it nevertheless supports evolution by natural selection via which lifelessness can miraculously evolve into life (no scientist has ever explained exactly how), and then equally miraculously create, in the case of human beings, the qualities of mind and consciousness (again, no scientist has ever explained how these can emerge from lifeless atoms). Science denies a) God, b) the existence of souls c) teleology, d) anything other than materialism, yet it cannot account for any of the most important questions: how life comes from lifelessness, how minds and consciousness come from atoms. Therefore how can it so dogmatically rule out other mysteries?

Which do you find more credible, which do you find to have the greater explanatory power - "hard" science, or the Illuminati's Creation Myth?

As for the Abrahamic religions, they claim that a perfect God created a perfect world and created perfect human life: Adam and Eve. The happy couple lived in a perfect paradise - the Garden of Eden - until they were tempted by a serpent (that God had allowed to enter the garden) to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that God had placed in the most prominent position in the middle of the garden. God had forbidden Adam and Eve from eating the fruit, but they disobeyed him, thus committing the Original Sin by which humanity has become eternally fallen and depraved (a bit of an overreaction to eating an apple, one might suggest). Wouldn't it have been better for God not to put the tree in the garden in the first place, and to keep serpents out? As a forgiving and compassionate God, shouldn't he simply have pardoned Adam and Eve rather than condemning them and all of their heirs to lives of mortal misery for that devastating crime of eating an apple?

And if you believe that Abrahamic "tall tale", as billions do, then you will surely believe anything, which is why our world is in such sad and pathetic state.

What kind of God is this Abrahamic deity? Already, in the tale of Eden, the truth that the God of Adam and Eve is the Demiurge is all too apparent. Cain was the first to see through the lie, and he is therefore held in the highest esteem by the Illuminati (as described in The Armageddon Conspiracy).

The Eastern religions say, in effect, that one day God decided to throw a veil of illusion and ignorance over himself and create the appearance of plurality when, in fact, there was only unity. In other words, God, for some unspecified reason, decided to hide himself from himself and then seek to find himself again. The human soul (the Atman in Hinduism) is really a fragment of the Divine Soul (Brahman in Hinduism) and has to endure samsara - the wheel of birth, death and rebirth - in order to eventually reach enlightenment (Moksha) when it finally realises the truth. In Buddhism, the "game" is to attain the state of Nirvana where all the illusions of our human existence are dispelled and we can become part of the great mystical Oneness that constitutes true existence.

Which Creation Myth do you find most convincing? - that of science, the Abrahamic faiths, the Eastern religions or the Illuminati?

But the Illuminati's Myth is not the religion of the Illuminati, although it does contain some core elements of the religion.

In April, we will start specifying the actual religious teachings of the Illuminati. The religion starts in an extraordinary way because it commences with the idea that there is no God. In a sense, the only worthwhile religion is one that can persuade an atheist of its truth. Faith-based religions will never achieve such an outcome. Eastern religions, especially Buddhism, have proved more successful, but still fall far short of convincing most atheists. Illumination, a synthesis of philosophy, science and religion, starts with an atheistic outlook and ends with a complete explanation of God, the soul and the afterlife.


The Science Myth


Does science offer a better grasp of "reality" than philosophy or religion? Quantum Mechanics is the most successful scientific theory of all time, and yet no one is sure what it actually means in terms of reality.

There are numerous interpretations of what Quantum Mechanics implies about reality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_quantum_mechanics

Physicist and science writer John Gribbin says, "One of the most remarkable features of quantum theory is that there are many different interpretations of what the theory 'really means', most of which are mutually contradictory as far as their philosophical basis goes, but all of which accurately explain the behaviour of known experiments and correctly predict the outcome of new experiments. They all pass Newton's test of a good theory! There is nothing like this in any other area of science - we do not, for example, have half a dozen or more different 'interpretations' of Einstein's general theory of relativity, the other great theory of twentieth-century physics."

According to the "Copenhagen Interpretation" (historically the most favoured explanation), the universe does not exist in any definite state when it is not being observed i.e. if there were no observers then the universe would never exist in any real, solid state at all - it would just be an eternal, bizarre, fuzzy, spectral haze; a ghost universe, flickering, shimmering, pulsating, but never taking on any meaningful form. And it would be invisible!

John Gribbin says, "Remember also that to the Copenhagen school of thought a quantum entity, such as an electron or photon, does not have properties, such as position and momentum, except when these properties are being measured. It is not just that we do not know what the values of these properties are; the theory says that those properties do not exist unless they are observed."

Physicist John Wheeler concluded that the universe only exists because we are looking at it. This is essentially the same position as the one adopted by Bishop Berkeley in the 18th century. He said, "Esse est percipi." (To be is to be perceived.)

Physicist David Bohm claimed that the real world always exists independently of observers but that particles are guided by a mysterious "pilot wave" that obeys "non-locality" i.e. any disturbance in the wave at one location is automatically and instantaneously reflected in the wave at all other locations, no matter how far distant from the original disturbance. This contradicts Einstein's principle that no form of communication can take place faster than the speed of light.

Physicist John Bell has demonstrated that the universe cannot be both real and "local". If it is real then it is non-local and if it is local then it is not "real". He said he preferred to abandon Einstein's special theory of relativity than give up "reality".

According to Hugh Everett's "many-worlds" interpretation, every time the universe is confronted with a choice at the quantum level, the universe divides into as many copies of itself as are required to allow every possible quantum choice to be realised. With every passing instant, innumerable new universes are being created. Astoundingly, this is increasingly the interpretation favoured by physicists. It is a fully deterministic account of reality, but at the price of creating a Multiverse, consisting of an infinite number of parallel universes where everything that can happen will happen. No convincing explanation is ever offered as to how these infinite universes can occupy the same space. They magically split off into "other dimensions", or they somehow have their own portion of space and time: the details are never clearly specified. And somehow these parallel worlds still manage to briefly interact with each other as they are being created, thus generating the interference effects that we observe in the quantum world.

It is quite amazing that many scientists pour scorn on the concept of God and yet seriously entertain these bizarre and untestable speculations about the true nature of reality.

John Cramer's "Transactional" interpretation of Quantum Mechanics involves the interaction of waves travelling forward in time and others travelling backward in time.

Other interpretations offer equally exotic "solutions".

So, what is clear is that any description of the nature of reality is bound to contain at least one astonishingly counter-intuitive idea that seems not only unbelievable but practically deranged. You can have non-locality, going backwards in time, observer-created reality, infinite parallel worlds being created with every passing instant etc. What you can't have is any common sense, uncontroversial, easily imagined, easily accepted solution.

In an article in April, we will reveal the key ingredient at the heart of the Illuminati's religion; the one that accounts for God, the soul and the afterlife, and also for quantum reality.

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The main topics raised in the 'Creation Myth of the Illuminati' as stipulated in the discourse above are fundamentally correct and in harmony with the omniscience of the Cosmic Elders aka the 'Ancient Ones of Creation'.

The demiurge as a 'spoiled brat' image of collective humanity and masquerading as the Jehovah-Allah god of the Judahic-Islamic world religions represents an appropriate 'reading' of the 'apocryphon aka the Secret Book of John' as part of the Nag Hammadi lexicons and so portrays an older nous and understanding on the nature of the 'creator' as depicted in the 'holy books' of the before mentioned religions. The notion of the original 'elder God' being unified in one, yet desiring to be two also represents the correct imagery and archetypology for the Adam-Eve as 'perfect images' for the plurality as singularity pre-Genesis of any creation mythology.
The notion of collective humanity redeeming the demiurge qualifies as a true gnostic insight and a Logos authorized understanding, allowing the human mindedness to relate to its cosmic encompasser, as well.

The critiques on the reductionist views of modern science with respect to a 'many worlded quantum realistic multiverse' and in context with anthropic principaled cosmologies, supporting a basically unconscious and purposeless universe also adhere to the wisdom of the ancient ones.

Where the cosmology of the 'New or Alternative Illuminati' falls apart, is in the details of its attempt to illustrate and define its overall correct cosmological perspective as stated in the preceding paragraphs. It fails to decode the semiotics and symbols encoded in the scripture lexicons in the Torah aka the Old Testament of the biblical scriptures in dismissing them as the 'laws of the demiurge' or 'fake god' of both orthodox Judaism and the entirety of Islam, with exception perhaps of the mystical expression of both religious philosophies; say in Sufism and the Kabbalah. It also fails to appropriately relate the "Pythagorean-Mathematical-Numerical" Logos it espouses as its logistical cosmogoneic basis to the 'real elder god' it also accepts as a foundational entity and requirement for its existencence and as encoded in the New Testament of the Christian bible.
The treatises on the nature of Jesus of Nazareth (and Mary Magdalene) and related phenomenas like the Conception, the Transfiguration, the Resurrection and Ascension and Assumption, as well as statements regarding the historical events before and after those occurrences are pure speculative ideas and opinions of the human mind, based on a potpourri of collected stories and snippets of information, which have accumulated over the secular and literal histories passed since those events took place.

As to the identity of the author of the 'New World Order': Lucifer and the Dark Tower of Reality: The Divine Secret

In this sign "In HOC Signo Vinces" - (The Death's Head) you will conquer.
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Published on 25 Feb 2014


Lucifer and the Dark Tower of Reality: The Divine Secret
What if the Divine Secret of Godhood was guarded by the Bringer of the Morning Star that Shatters the Golden Dawn.
"The Divine Secret" from "The God Blunder" by A. Crowley operating under the Pen Name of Mike HOCkney one of the Ruling 12 in the Secret Society that goes by the Generic Name: Illuminati founded May 1st, 1776 by Adam Weishaupt. "In HOC Signo Vinces"---

In this sign "In HOC Signo Vinces" - (The Death's Head) you will conquer.

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[8:40:41 PM - Sunday, August 10th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: rax new website?
[8:41:10 PM] Sirius 17: you know she likely put him up to asking you about that web site
[8:41:23 PM] Shiloh: Could be
[8:41:56 PM] Shiloh: But this 'New World Order Illuminati ' thing is not rax's website
[8:42:22 PM] Shiloh: You saw the 'devil's head' video?
[8:42:23 PM] Sirius 17: i know, but how strange he suddenly asked you about it
[8:42:28 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
[8:42:39 PM] Shiloh: It is quasi ptb alright
[8:42:51 PM] Shiloh: From the nous perspective
[8:43:02 PM] Shiloh: Perhaps a wanna be
[8:43:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[8:43:35 PM] Shiloh: But the basic 'mileu' is illuminati from old freemason nous etc
[8:44:13 PM] Sirius 17: but i was thinking about it last night and it seemed that maybe rax or her or both thought maybe they had something legit and so she was disappointed to find her 'theory' squashed, whatever it was
[8:44:55 PM] Shiloh: Lucis trust from the nous about the apocryphon and the human history of religion-politics
[8:45:23 PM] Shiloh: Yes, this could be and rax went silent too
[8:45:42 PM] Shiloh: You might be right with your feelings here
[8:45:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes she probably told him to shut up
[8:46:01 PM] Shiloh: Makes sense then yes, her leaving
[8:46:26 PM] Shiloh: He thought at first I would fully support this remember?
[8:46:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[8:47:07 PM] Shiloh: Oh well I dont mind and dont care if I have thrown a spanner into their works
[8:47:26 PM] Sirius 17: but then we discovered that the denial of the resurrected Christ was in there, so that of course ruined it for them
[8:47:36 PM] Shiloh: You think?
[8:47:49 PM] Shiloh: I mean how strong is your intuition here?
[8:48:25 PM] Shiloh: The actual maths of Hockney is not as strong as it could be, were this real ptb
[8:48:29 PM] Sirius 17: well i am guessing that they thought they were onto something 'good'
[8:48:53 PM] Shiloh: He does not understand membrane physics in terms of Black Hole singularities for instance
[8:49:01 PM] Shiloh: His approach is far too simplistic
[8:49:08 PM] Sirius 17: no and i could see through his pretense pretty quickly
[8:49:46 PM] Sirius 17: tossing out old illuminati names and scientific theories like candy
[8:49:49 PM] Shiloh: r=0 with r>=0 is not how astrophysics looks at singularities
[8:50:32 PM] Sirius 17: i could see the human ego there, this is what i discerned
[8:50:39 PM] Shiloh: But his approach to 'world government' is 'Luciferian' and 'secret nous' based gnostic mathematical etc
[8:51:13 PM] Sirius 17: yes overall the data is well constructed, for the most part
[8:51:27 PM] Shiloh: I watched the meritocracy video I added
[8:51:41 PM] Shiloh: Oh this stuff has some really good reviews
[8:51:56 PM] Shiloh: I checked around a bit
[8:52:10 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am sure he sells a lot of books
[8:52:14 PM] Shiloh: Only the randi skeptic websites etc dismiss it
[8:52:23 PM] Sirius 17: calling himself A. Crowley lol
[8:52:40 PM] Sirius 17: reminded me of Wilcock and Cayce
[8:52:52 PM] Shiloh: It enhances the zeitgeist stuff but without analysing all religion see
[8:53:29 PM] Shiloh: It simply dismisses all religion as nonsense and this appeals to the herd mentality disillusioned with the mainstream control
[8:53:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[8:53:44 PM] Shiloh: I think this was Crowley's book
[8:53:50 PM] Shiloh: Not his name
[8:54:01 PM] Sirius 17: and the nabsers because it vilifies their new age BS
[8:54:30 PM] Shiloh: Yes and attacks the aristocracy etc as most would like it
[8:54:43 PM] Shiloh: So it is a 'graduation' from the nabs
[8:54:57 PM] Sirius 17: no if you read carefully in the comments or notes it says A. Crowley, otherwise known as Michael Hockney
[8:55:27 PM] Shiloh: I heard a take that he considers himself a 'son' or descendent
[8:55:50 PM] Shiloh: Amon Crowley or such
[8:56:34 PM] Shiloh: Dismissing religion appeals greatly to the nabsers
[8:56:56 PM] Shiloh: She was such a hypocrite, proclaiming to love Jesus
[8:57:31 PM] Sirius 17:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Aq6WzaTg2s

[8:57:36 PM] Sirius 17: watch the beginning
[8:58:04 PM] Sirius 17: 10 seconds in
[8:58:09 PM] Shiloh: "The Divine Secret" from "The God Blunder" by A. Crowley operating under the Pen Name of Mike HOCkney one of the Ruling........
[8:58:10 PM] Sirius 17: that is where i saw it
[8:58:22 PM] Sirius 17: no
[8:58:31 PM] Shiloh: this pen name refers to the book, not Aleister C imo though
[8:59:06 PM] Shiloh: yes this is the 'son' name
[8:59:09 PM] Sirius 17: The divine secret within the dark tower of reality by mike hockney aka A. crowley
[8:59:14 PM] Shiloh: Yes
[8:59:22 PM] Shiloh: It does not say Aleister
[8:59:56 PM] Shiloh: Google A. Crowley Mike Hockney
[9:00:45 PM] Shiloh: Look at the Mike Hockney books and you will see a striking similarity to the books written by Amado Crowley aka Mike from Southampton.
[9:01:34 PM] Sirius 17:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-236153.html


You might have come across the http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ website or it numerous other sites with various names including http://www.meritocracy.org.uk/, they claim to be the Illuminati but it is a fake. They also do a fake ‘interview’ about Mike Hockney (the ‘ghost writer’ of the PDF free books they put out to promote their cult). Which they relentlessly promote on any forum they can! And they now say that the last book (Soul Camera) cannot be written by ‘Mike Hockney’ but they refuse to say why, in fact the reason why is that Mike Hockney is (or was, as he died in February 2010) a man who worked at Southampton Poly as a lecturer in psychology who fancied himself as a bit of an occultist so set himself up with a new name as Amado Crowley (the supposed son and self professed heir to Aleister Crowley - hey he went for the jackpot - LOL). He started writing self published books in the 1990s and failed to convince anyone, except his insane followers, that he was anything to do with Aleister Crowley, Pete Carroll thought he was a nutter after spending a weekend with him and was angry that Amado had wasted his time!

And there is more. Look at the Mike Hockney books and you will see a striking similarity to the books written by Amado Crowley aka Mike from Southampton. Look also at the website of Amado Crowley and you will see word for word ‘writings’ that appear on the http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ website (which by the way they jokingly call the AC site - get it?) http://www.amado-crowley.net/
[9:02:19 PM] Shiloh:

Theories about conspiracy theories and opinions about conspiracy theories are fatuous. There is just no point to it. Coming out in support about some third parties' fanciful perspective has little real value. It's all about admirers and detractors again. Support the Blues or the Reds and see where it gets you.
Hi guys,
Amado, use to talk about certain people whose agents came to meet him,who couldn't understand that he approached these matters from a different angle, he was aware of their values- these were I suggest primarily to do with espionage and the accrual of wealth especially power.
Magicians like Aleister, Dr. John Dee and Cornelius Agrippa all served their governments as spies. Espionage uses disinformation and hides facts by ridicule, place a revealed truth next to bizarre ideas and people begin to ignore or discount the revealed truthful fact.
I refer you to "Attar" the chapter title of "The Wrath of Aleister Crowley"
There are certain people, a handful in each country perhaps, who together possess the greatest power in the modern world. ....this group has been shaping the face of Europe for many centuries. Now, of course, it is able to manipulate the whole world and modify our destiny. I do not say this merely to grab your attention.I say it because it is true.
It isn't rocket science, Amado's Truth refers to what Nature and the God's intended, those who approached him where wondering to what country or group his allegiance lay. So yes I agree it is good to be free of conspiracy theories especially in our Spiritual practice but lets not be naieve either, I don't know who is "milking the system" but sometimes I feel like one of the cows in the milking shed, but I suppose I should be grateful they haven't sent me to the Poppy fields of Ypre or Flanders to be slaugthered for the Greater Good. Crying or Very sad Perhaps I shouldn't speak too soon- black gold a plenty in foriegn lands - Worth fightin for eh Rolling Eyes

[9:04:10 PM] Shiloh: Murky waters as always!
[9:04:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes well this is the first thing that popped up when i googled both names
[9:04:35 PM] Sirius 17: david icke site
[9:04:52 PM] Shiloh: I ONLY look at the data presented and leave the 'conspiracy-persona' stuff as whatever it might be
[9:05:20 PM] Shiloh: The data is 'insider', even if from a wanna be
[9:11:14 PM] Shiloh: [9:07:25 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amado_Crowley
[9:09:48 PM] Shiloh: Yes see, this makes sense
[9:10:05 PM] Sirius 17: sure, i am not saying this invalidates much of what he is saying, i am just showing you what google came up with
[9:10:16 PM] Shiloh: This is what I said
[9:10:32 PM] Shiloh: Amon ...Amado see?
[9:12:09 PM] Shiloh: There is also a certain appreciation of human sexuality on this armageddon site, which of course was also Aleister Crowley's obsession amongst other things
[9:12:38 PM] Sirius 17: yes he definitely was a fan of Aleister
[9:13:24 PM] Shiloh: So who then are the co-writers on that site?
[9:13:44 PM] Shiloh: When was the last book of Hockney published?
[9:14:49 PM] Shiloh: Hockney talks string theory and M-theory which name was not coined until 1995-2000 and so before Amado's death
[9:15:06 PM] Shiloh: He was 80 years old in 2010
[9:15:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes I don't know, it seems fishy
[9:15:43 PM] Shiloh: Does the writing style strike you as being from such an aged person?
[9:15:43 PM] Sirius 17: maybe not the same person
[9:15:59 PM] Sirius 17: not really
[9:16:09 PM] Shiloh: I dont know. I am just asking questions, which can shed some lights on it
[9:16:45 PM] Shiloh: The science actually as presented on AC does seem to be from an 'oldie'
[9:17:13 PM] Sirius 17: well in the one video I think it is him narrating and he sounds young to me
[9:17:31 PM] Shiloh: Who is familiar with Special Relativity, which after all does not require more advanced maths, then Pythagoras algebra
[9:17:56 PM] Shiloh: What is the date of that video?
[9:18:14 PM] Sirius 17:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAblg6_-D6E#t=34

[9:18:20 PM] Sirius 17: or is this not one of his videos?
[9:18:42 PM] Shiloh: No this is the dutchman - a follower imo
[9:19:28 PM] Sirius 17: yeah it seems like a follower
[9:19:38 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG5sq74jbyRFmIKUd_7GkHQ
[9:20:14 PM] Shiloh:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg-d118ge5Y

[9:20:24 PM] Shiloh: You see its from there
[9:20:47 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2SD8yjcbb6bxEIEPKvEIHA
[9:20:54 PM] Shiloh: two dutchmen or one
[9:21:17 PM] Sirius 17:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg-d118ge5Y
this video says 2012 and publication of said books in 2012
[9:22:10 PM] Sirius 17: so maybe this mike hockney is not the same guy who died in 2010
[9:22:41 PM] Shiloh:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ynkQHMjRQ&list=UU2SD8yjcbb6bxEIEPKvEIHA

[9:23:05 PM] Shiloh: meritocratic movement is associated with Hockney and this is then diffusing
[9:23:29 PM] Shiloh: Did Hockney release a book post 2010?
[9:23:49 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Hockney/e/B004KHR7DC according to amazon yes
[9:24:32 PM] Shiloh:

Why Math Must Replace Science (The God Series Book 18) by Mike Hockney (Jun 27, 2014)

The Soul Camera

Imagine a camera that takes pictures of the human soul. Imagine it could detect how good or evil you are. Imagine it could analyze every aspect of your personality. Imagine it could tell you how many times you have been reincarnated. Imagine it could tell you how close you are to achieving gnosis and becoming God!
Imagine that a real secret society already possesses such a camera, which operates in accordance with the inviolable, fundamental principles of the cosmos - six-dimensional mathematical idealism based on three real (space) axes and three "imaginary" (o) axes, creating a six-dimensional arena of complex numbers.
The Paradigm Shift is coming. Humanity is about to enter its divine phase.

The Soul Camera, The Illuminated Soul, The Book of the Dead, The God Portal (all part of the "Soul Series): due by the end of 2015.
2014 - The Mythos/Logos Series
Mike Hockney, Michael Faust and Adam Weishaupt.

[9:25:53 PM] Shiloh: So this indicates, that Hockney is alive
[9:26:03 PM] Sirius 17: seems so
[9:26:10 PM] Shiloh: The maths is relatively 'primitive'
[9:26:24 PM] Shiloh: So layman and not real ptb
[9:26:36 PM] Sirius 17: well he intends to replace science with it
[9:26:42 PM] Sirius 17: so we'll see
[9:26:43 PM] Shiloh: BS
[9:27:03 PM] Shiloh: He dismisses string theory because it has 'too many' dimensions
[9:27:11 PM] Shiloh: He wants 6
[9:27:35 PM] Shiloh: This shows me he does not have a deeper understanding of science and maths
[9:27:45 PM] Sirius 17: he has been reading too much goetica lol
[9:28:19 PM] Shiloh: 'Mathematical idealism' Just this word should show you that he does not know
[9:28:50 PM] Shiloh: This is a direct 'adaptation' to 'Plato's idealistic geometrical forms'
[9:29:52 PM] Sirius 17: I am going to head to bed now dear
[9:29:58 PM] Shiloh: String theory derives from actual dimensional analysis and group theory about algebraic gauge symmetries
[9:30:30 PM] Shiloh: It is because of those symmetries, that stringers believe that M-theory can indeed approximate and describe physical reality
[9:30:46 PM] Shiloh: It has little to do with idealised Platonic geometric forms
[9:31:16 PM] Shiloh: Bueans juju
[9:32:23 PM] Sirius 17: thank you, buenas to you too hon, it is 4:30 here, I did not realize it was so late
[9:35:18 PM] Shiloh:

http://climateofsophistry.com/2013/...f-the-illuminati-and-ontological-mathematics/
[9:35:58 PM] Shiloh: http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Prince-...W_1_26?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355437407&sr=1-26
[9:36:00 PM] Shiloh: lol
[9:36:36 PM] Shiloh:

Jesus, Prince of Hell (The Anti-Christian Series Book 2) [Kindle Edition]
Adam Weishaupt
(Author)

You many think you know everything you need to know about the historical figure “Jesus Christ”, but every cherished belief you have about him is false. Jesus Christ is a fake and a fraud. For a start, his name wasn’t Jesus Christ but Yehoshua ben Yosef (“Joshua son of Joseph”). And, just as his name is a fiction designed to disguise the truth, so is everything else about him.

We will demonstrate the following:

1) The central promise of Christianity – the resurrection of the dead – is utterly wrong. As we shall show, the Christian Gospels demonstrate conclusively that Jesus Christ was reincarnated, not resurrected.
2) Jesus Christ was the central figure in one of the most audacious plots in history.
3) He was head of an Elite Family that wished to rule the world. The Family exists to this day, and their conspiracy is unchanged.
4) Jesus Christ was the leader of an army that sought to overthrow Roman rule in Judea. He was executed as a violent revolutionary attempting to set himself up as a king.
5) Judas, the infamous traitor, was the brother of Jesus Christ.
The greatest lie and fraud in history has endured too long.


[9:37:23 PM] Shiloh: The truth of literary bullshit

[9:37:57 PM] Shiloh: [9:36 PM] Shiloh:
<<< 3) He was head of an Elite Family that wished to rule the world. The Family exists to this day, and their conspiracy is unchanged. !


This is one out of a series of books by the Pythagorean Illuminati. The Pythagorean Illuminati are an ancient secret society of rational free thinkers. The orders was officially founded by the great polymath Pythagoras. Some of the most creative geniuses in history were members of the Illuminati. People such as Plato, Hegel, Simon Magus, Leibniz, Goethe, Weishaupt, Hypatia, and many others. Every single one of the Illuminati's books are not only excellent but for some people they can even be life changing. Every book in this series is very well written. The authors are passionate about their material and that passion rubs off on the reader. You will find yourself unable to put their books down and you'll constantly want to read just one more page. All of the Illuminati's books are packed with information from many interesting and challenging subjects such as mathematics, philosophy, science, psychology, religion, sociology, history, politics, and even the paranormal. The Illuminati have integrated all of these subjects into what scientists have been searching for for years: A Grand Unified Theory of Everything. Some of the information in this series can be challenging but the authors are so talented that they are able to take even the most complicated subjects and make them understandable to everyone.

These books are for people who can see that there is something very wrong with the world we are living in. They are for serious people looking to change themselves and this world into more healthy, equal, just, altruistic, and rational entities. They are for people that can see humanity is capable of so much more. In the end, these books are for the people that want to make themselves and this world divine. If that project doesn't sound like the most important thing in the world to you then you should read something else. If, on the other hand, that sounds like what you need more then anything then these books are exactly what you are looking for. If you feel drawn towards the ideas of the true Illuminati then you need to read all of these books asap. You should also check out their website armageddonconspiracy.co.uk and their facebook page Ancient Order of The Illuminati.
If you are going into these books for your first time I feel you should start with the book "The Illuminati" by Adam Weishaupt. That book will give you an excellent overview of the philosophy of the Illuminati. I will very quickly give you a rundown of what I feel are two of the most important aspects of the Illuminati's philosophy. The Illuminati are Gnostics and Meritocrats. Meritocracy is the political wing of the Illuminati and at its core it is about allowing all people to begin life from an equal starting position so that everyone has the best possible chance to fully actualize their innate potential. And no, that will absolutely not happen through "free market" capitalism. Another reviewer of this book took issue with the Illuminati because they don't believe "free marketeers" are the people closest to human perfection. The said reviewer gave this book five stars so that is good but these libertarian capitalists can drive me crazy. Sometimes I wonder if they are at all honest with themselves. Have they even looked at the world we are living in? If they did they would immediately see that "free market" capitalism is one of the main reasons this world is such a selfish, unequal, miserable, and lets face it, evil place for billions of humans and non-humans living on this planet. And lets not even mention what capitalism is in the process of doing to the environment. If the environment goes it's game over. I digress though. If you are curious about Meritocracy then read the Illuminati's book "The Meritocracy Party" by Michael Faust. It will answer any of the questions you might have about this amazing political system.

Since this book, "Jesus, Prince of Hell" (and I absolutely love the title), is more relative to Gnosticism I'm going to focus on that more so then Meritocracy. Gnosis is Greek for knowledge. Gnosticism is the religious wing of the Illuminati. The Illuminati's version of Gnosticism is the highest form of Gnosticism and it is called Illumination or Illuminism. Gnosticism is all about knowledge not faith. The abrahamic religions of faith are anathema to Gnostics. Gnostics believe that the material world we all live in is created by an evil being. That evil being is none other then then the creator "god" from the Torah, Bible, and Koran. In Gnosticism our souls are trapped here in the material world over many incarnations. Our souls must go on the most heroic and difficult journey imaginable until we finally attain Gnosis. Attaining Gnosis is to intuitively achieve, through hard work, the most powerful knowledge in the cosmos and truly remember and therefore become what we have always been, literally Goddesses and Gods. When Gnosis is attained a soul has full knowledge of the cosmos. At that point we can finally escape the material realm and join the other souls that have attained Gnosis in a wondrous realm of light. Doesn't that sound like a much healthier religion then the abrahamic religions of faith that want you on your knees to a tyrant god who has massacred an untold number of people and bragged about it in his own "holy" book? Doesn't that sound like a much healthier religion then the eastern religions and new age religions of karma that say if you are suffering in this life then you deserve it because karma is punishing you and, therefore, there is no need for anyone to help you? Disgusting.

So to the Illuminati Jesus Christ was a nefarious figure and he had no intention whatsoever of empowering humanity. On the contrary, his intentions were to make controlling humanity even easier. Much of the astonishing story of Jesus Christ is hinted at in the four gospels for open eyed readers to see. The Illuminati use the four mainstream gospels, the Gospel of Judas (Judas was a member of the Illuminati), and other writings to tell the story of the man history knows as Jesus Christ. His actual name was Yehoshua ben Yosef (Joshua son of Joseph). Just know that the information contained in this book in unique. You will not find it anywhere else. It is some of the most mind blowing information I have ever read. Always remember to read anything with skepticism and caution. Read what the Illuminati have to say about Jesus Christ and then compare it with the Christian version of events. Use your intuition. Which version, if either, sounds more credible to you? Unlike the Christians, the Illuminati won't condemn you to an eternity of fiery torture in hell if you don't believe them. "Jesus, Prince of Hell" along with "The Reincarnation of Jesus Christ" by Michael Faust will answer all of the most important and mysterious questions surrounding Yehoshua ben Yosef, the man we all know as Jesus Christ.


[9:39:39 PM] Shiloh: xxx
[9:40:10 PM] Shiloh: Poor Pythagoras! His name and gnosis-insight and work being used for such purposes. If those morons could only fathom, that their Abraxas in none other than ABBA


Mark 14:36 - all KJV
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

Raven on Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:14 pm

"One's purpose of life is so to discover one's own Story and tell this Story to Oneself as a Function of Memory!"​

http://cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/first-imagine-it-then-image-it.157/​

[1:43:50 PM] raxnae: xeia didn't put me up to it, I found the site from listening to this interview on gnosticwarrior http://gnosticwarrior.com/brent-paris-interview.html at the very end he mentioned it as being one of the academia illiuminati's sites, I just found it interesting and wanted to observe the dissection, I didn't speak much because I was observing and didn't want to speak from ignorance
[1:47:05 PM] raxnae: mostly I want to learn and gain an understanding, I want to be able to see the codes and understand them
[1:48:06 PM] Allisiam: yeah rax there is a lot of good information on that site, but it is wise to go in with discernment
[1:48:34 PM] Allisiam: the GOT unlocked a lot of it for me

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html

[1:48:45 PM] Allisiam: why I like to quote it so much
[1:49:37 PM] Allisiam: to unlock the codes you have to see with Logos eyes
[1:49:44 PM] Allisiam: a bit hard to explain how to do this
[1:49:58 PM] Allisiam: because it requires submitting to it first

Gospel of Thomas wrote108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

[1:52:43 PM] Allisiam: this statement is one of the most profound to me in the GOT, but then understanding this truly goes much deeper, my understanding came in levels, like peeling back layers of an onion
[1:53:43 PM] raxnae: yes I'm very interested in understanding the GOT, I just haven't found what I am lacking yet
[1:54:02 PM] Allisiam:

http://cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/first-imagine-it-then-image-it.157/

[1:54:08 PM] Allisiam: this really helped me too
[1:54:34 PM] Allisiam: When I first read this it triggered a deep understanding in me
[1:54:56 PM] raxnae: reading now
[1:55:13 PM] Allisiam: and it was then that I realized that this story Tony was writing about was not just his story but a universal one
[2:00:13 PM] Allisiam: So in effect, Tony becomes another YOU, reflecting your and everyone else's story back to them. The story is not personal, and this is probably the hardest obstacle to overcome, the human mind gets in the way, call it your self-importance. When you loose this then a door opens.
[2:00:25 PM] Allisiam: and of course when it does others will perceive you as arrogant
[2:03:39 PM] Allisiam: this is part of the reason Jesus had such a terrible reception over 2000 years ago, not much has changed within the human mind and how it sees itself
[2:07:40 PM] Allisiam: this is because who you think you are is not who you really are, who you really are is genuine, who you think you are is a fake

Gospel of Thomas wrote3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

[2:09:32 PM] Allisiam: that imagine it then image it link I gave you goes into this GOT saying pretty well
[2:23:51 PM] raxnae: I've had experience with my no spacetime self before, when I had a manic break in reality I went through the void, but my memory of that time is fractured
[2:25:40 PM] raxnae: the napolean example hits home, I've felt archetypes embodied in myself, mostly from norse mythos
[2:26:16 PM] Allisiam: yes
[2:27:03 PM] Allisiam: so access becomes an act of imagination coupled with a surrendering to this higher knowledge or gnosis
[2:27:22 PM] Allisiam: we all have these memories
[2:28:02 PM] Allisiam: and the capacity to 'reflect'
[2:28:53 PM] raxnae: but how does one surrender to the True Logos and gain its sight?
[2:29:14 PM] Allisiam: it is incredible, I think I must of read just this one piece of Tony's work probably over 100 times and each time something new reveals itself
[2:29:46 PM] Allisiam: you become it
[2:30:14 PM] raxnae: is my personal story the fake story?
[2:30:31 PM] Allisiam: well it is not really a fake ok, it is a subplot
[2:30:39 PM] Allisiam: but it is not who you really are
[2:30:51 PM] Allisiam: so in that sense it is only a part of the whole story
[2:31:37 PM] raxnae: I've imagined and imaged myself in the no spacetime
[2:32:08 PM] Allisiam: have you looked through they eyes of Jesus?
[2:32:53 PM] raxnae: maybe, I've imagined looking through his eyes at many points in my life

Gospel of Thomas wrote77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

[2:33:20 PM] Allisiam: these are his eyes
[2:34:04 PM] Allisiam: so you are infact looking through his eyes all the time
[2:34:51 PM] Allisiam: your consciousness is not confined to your body, to Raxnae
[2:35:06 PM] Allisiam: it is in all things
[2:35:14 PM] Allisiam: and yet it is nothing
[2:35:37 PM] raxnae: thats the way I described the void, everything and nothing
[2:35:52 PM] Allisiam: the void is one aspect yes
[2:36:49 PM] Allisiam: all possibilities exist there
[2:37:02 PM] raxnae: so I'm wondering, is the no spacetime merging with spacetime?
[2:37:04 PM] Allisiam: not all are actualized in 3-D
[2:37:32 PM] Allisiam: yes a bridge has been created
[2:38:35 PM] raxnae: so the subplot will become the whole story?
[2:38:49 PM] Allisiam: did you watch the kleinbottle video?
[2:38:54 PM] raxnae: yes
[2:39:00 PM] Allisiam: imagine yourself now as the intersection
[2:39:07 PM] Allisiam: embedded into reality
[2:39:13 PM] Allisiam: you are the bridge
[2:39:30 PM] Allisiam: your feeling mind and thinking heart and your ability to reflect
[2:40:12 PM] Allisiam: your very body is a ship that can fold space within it and without it
[2:40:56 PM] Allisiam: a vehicle that transports you through spacetime
[2:41:37 PM] Allisiam: it has a metaphysical twin that goes to the higher dimensions
[2:41:55 PM] Allisiam: and that twin is co-local with your own body
[2:42:33 PM] Allisiam: it exists inside and outside of it in nospacetime
[2:43:47 PM] raxnae: I can see how the human mindedness gets in the way
[2:43:56 PM] Allisiam: yes
[2:44:05 PM] Allisiam: it has a hard time 'encompassing' things
[2:45:09 PM] Allisiam: and it can only reflect upon itself in a mirror of vanity
[2:45:31 PM] Allisiam: instead of the real mirror of mirrors, the true Logos aka JCCJ
[2:45:53 PM] Allisiam: which we are all living inside of
[2:46:18 PM] Allisiam: so to get outside of that body requires a new set of eyes
[2:47:10 PM] Allisiam: very very few people know the real Jesus
[2:47:40 PM] Allisiam: if everyone knew there would be no more war
[2:47:43 PM] Allisiam: no more death
[2:47:52 PM] Allisiam: instantly
[2:48:10 PM] Allisiam: but his body on the inside is scattered
[2:48:34 PM] Allisiam: and trying to remember itself
[2:48:34 PM] raxnae: i often had wondered if the sacrifice was the end all be all sacrifice why there was still death
[2:49:10 PM] Allisiam: just as the Father required someone to remember him so too did Jesus
[2:50:09 PM] Allisiam: enough of us remember now that the story can continue in a new way
[2:50:41 PM] Allisiam: but time is very very different to the eternal self
[2:51:08 PM] Allisiam: the human mind can't see that far in advance
[2:51:13 PM] Allisiam: or into its own past
[2:52:39 PM] Allisiam: let alone change it
[2:52:45 PM] Allisiam: only the Logos can do that
[2:54:26 PM] Allisiam: and it is NOT an ego trip to see with those eyes but a great responsibility
[2:56:01 PM] raxnae: will we see the new story unfold in this lifetime?
[2:56:20 PM] Allisiam: you are now witnessing it
[2:56:50 PM] raxnae: I predicted a mental ragnarok in the human mind
[2:57:00 PM] raxnae: where all the old things would pass and be made new
[2:57:15 PM] Allisiam: yes mental armegeddon is happening now
[2:57:44 PM] Allisiam: but before things can become physical they must have a mental precursor see
[2:58:36 PM] Allisiam: and now you are seeing this mental Armageddon physicalize
[2:59:24 PM] raxnae: care to read three poems of mine?
[2:59:35 PM] Allisiam: maximum polarization has to happen before things will change
[2:59:59 PM] Allisiam: so humanity is going to be given a huge ass mirror upon which to reflect
[3:00:18 PM] Allisiam: sure rax, you know I love poetry
[3:00:52 PM] raxnae: http://raxnae.deviantart.com/art/Odin-s-Story-I-283050417?q=sort:time gallery:raxnae&qo=35 http://raxnae.deviantart.com/art/Odin-s-Story-II-297228084?q=sort:time gallery:raxnae&qo=34 http://raxnae.deviantart.com/art/Odin-s-Story-III-297504664

[3:02:55 PM] Allisiam:

Raxnae wrote:How did I grow so old, so forgetful of lying time,
Into the Breach Once Again, back to Zero reaching blindly into Dark,
Illusion and Distortion, as Eye is plucked Free,
Impaled to the World Tree, Watching as Midguard Burns.
[3:03:01 PM] Allisiam: omg these are good rax
[3:04:31 PM] Allisiam: yes I understand your suffering dear
[3:04:37 PM] Allisiam: you are both alive and dead
[3:04:59 PM] Allisiam: to recognize that whilst in a body is a splendid key
[3:06:31 PM] Allisiam:
Raxnae wroteossessed can No Longer Hide, Awaiting their Reset,
While the Grand Alliance is Set in Stone, To Defeat the Betrayer of us All,
Find your Keys, Unlock your Weapons,
Play your Music, From Ragnarok to Paradise.

[3:06:37 PM] Allisiam: do you know who the betrayer is?
[3:08:04 PM] raxnae: I called him Khronos
[3:08:18 PM] raxnae: theres another set of poems about that lol
[3:08:25 PM] Allisiam: it is actually much simpler than that
[3:08:28 PM] Allisiam: it is yourself
[3:08:37 PM] raxnae: yes lol
[3:08:40 PM] Allisiam: you are your own worst enemy
[3:08:51 PM] raxnae: ive got poems about that too
[3:08:53 PM] Allisiam: everyone is
[3:09:25 PM] Allisiam: yes your work is wonderful
[3:09:59 PM] Allisiam: you have a gift with words
[3:10:05 PM] Allisiam: and metaphors
[3:10:12 PM] Allisiam: the muse adores you
[3:10:22 PM] raxnae: it comes from my philosopher days haha
[3:10:36 PM] Allisiam: hehe
[3:10:53 PM] raxnae: when I first began to question if there was more to christanity than what they teach in churches
[3:11:19 PM] Allisiam: at least you questioned
[3:11:23 PM] Allisiam: many do not
[3:12:11 PM] Allisiam: are you on fb?
[3:12:26 PM] raxnae: I began thinking jesus was the most misrepresented person in history
[3:12:31 PM] raxnae: yes im on facebook
[3:12:35 PM] Allisiam: very much yes
[3:13:03 PM] Allisiam: how do I find you to add you?
[3:13:32 PM] raxnae: got a picture of a wolf as my pic
[3:13:55 PM] Allisiam: Loki?
[3:14:00 PM] raxnae: yes hehe
[3:15:47 PM] Allisiam: nice will I found you and added you, I see you accepted already lol
[3:15:55 PM] raxnae: I don't post much on there, last things I posted were some atheistic videos to poke fun at my hard core church friends
[3:16:25 PM] Allisiam: did you see Pat Condell's videos?
[3:16:34 PM] Allisiam: the ones Tony posted recently
[3:16:35 PM] raxnae: no I didn't

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[3:19:25 PM] Allisiam:http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t53...-the-cosmic-changes-in-archetypes-and-symbols
[3:19:30 PM] Allisiam: some good stuff on that thread
[3:19:41 PM] Allisiam: you can find it all on spruz too, a huge 'library of illumination' there

http://cosmosdawn.com/

[3:19:53 PM] Allisiam: but watch those two videos
[3:32:36 PM] raxnae: lol brits have a way with words
[3:32:55 PM] Allisiam: hehe don't they
[3:33:06 PM] Allisiam: oh he has a ton more videos
[3:33:42 PM] Allisiam: but he is not trying to hide the dogma under fluff, calling it like he sees it
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

something else for you to read raxnae and reflect on. There are other translations of course, but this one is pretty elegant and simple.
[9:38:59 PM] Allisiam: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_sbj.htm

here is the main list with various scholars on it and their translations so you can compare.
[9:46:02 PM] raxnae: thanks
[9:47:09 PM] Allisiam: your welcome
[10:13:19 PM] Shiloh: Nice chat you had with rax
[10:13:43 PM] Allisiam: yeah I shared it on the forums
[10:14:15 PM] Allisiam: i just now added the apocryphon
[10:14:40 PM] Allisiam: i actually think rax is reading , studying
[10:14:42 PM] Shiloh: Excellent. I was thinking about sharing it
[10:14:54 PM] Shiloh: I am just now looking
[10:15:05 PM] Allisiam: i really feel that he is interested
[10:15:27 PM] Shiloh: yes he seems receptive and more mature
[10:15:56 PM] Allisiam: yes, i felt his true desire to know
[10:16:06 PM] Allisiam: so i said what i said to him
[10:16:45 PM] Allisiam: i was just re-reading the apocryphon myself
[10:16:58 PM] Shiloh: You did very well as a true stalwart for the Logos
[10:17:19 PM] Shiloh: yes post this too with your post
[10:17:28 PM] Shiloh: It is a nice summary; though a number of clarifications and comments are necessary to align the 'Zoroastrian emphasis' and say the 'eternal place without redemption' as the 'unforgivable ignorance/sin and related and similar 'anti-physicality/desire' statements to the pre creation Logos, whom this 'appearance of the saviour' represents.
Even John.1.1-14 actually improves on much of the 'early gnostic' interpretative nous of the apocryphon. And of course, the GOT fully allows a thorough 'illumination' regarding the cosmic partnership between the 'flesh' and the 'spirit' in the solution of the quantum paradox and the dichotomization between the 'body and the mind' first defined by Descartes.

John 1:1-14 - King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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Raven on Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:43 am

(The Apocryphon of John)
The Secret Book of John ​

Translated by Stevan Davies
This translation is presented in The Gnostic Society Library by exclusive permission of the author.
All rights including right of electronic reproduction are reserved by the author.
© 2005 Stevan Davies​

Notes by the Translator
It has always seemed to me that the Secret Book of John evolved to be more difficult to read than it originally was. The Secret Book of John is a complex developmental mythology that has been made more complicated because, over the years, versions of it have been “improved” by several levels of scribal alteration. One set of levels is the evident addition of rather lengthy texts (a list of magical names, a dialogue on the soul, a providence hymn) to an original version that lacked them. Another set of levels is the addition by various scribes of what they intended to be useful comments, explanations, clarifications and supplementary details. The former processes continue to be added to the text when scholars such as myself add introductory paragraphs, or indeed whole book-length texts to introduce or comment on the Secret Book of John. The latter processes continue when scholars interrupt the flow of the text by adding subheadings (such as the section headings added here in Bold Italics) and notes intended to assist the reader’s understanding.

I believe that readers will benefit from seeing the various individual elements constituting the text as separable units and so be relieved from thinking that somehow all of this material constitutes one originally coherent whole. To this end, in this version of my translation I use two formatting techniques to identify and separate-out several forms of material that seem to have been added at different times to the original. For more extensive textual additions I have arranged that the translation make use of different color fonts. There is one font color for the main body of the Secret Book of John (font color 1), another for the material I believe to have been added by a Christian editor who sought to present the text as a long dialogue between Jesus and John son of Zebedee (font color 2); this material occurs in two large blocks at the beginning and toward the end of the text and also in occasional dialogues imbedded throughout the last half of the text. Another font (font color 3) distinguishes a long list of demons’ names that are associated with specific body parts, a magical text apparently taken from an unknown source called the "Book of Zoroaster". Another (font color 4) is used for the included dialogue about the soul. Finally a font (font color 5) designates the three part hymn spoken by God’s Providence (Pronoia).

In addition to these different fonts, I have put in square brackets the occasional short passages, or sentences, or phrases that I believe were added to the text by scribes over the years, additions that were intended to make the text more understandable, or to identify elements of the text with aspects of the Christian religion. If you ask how I know which parts were added as comments and so forth, the answer is that I make informed guesses. That’s really what most scholarship comes down to… informed guesses.
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The Teaching of the Savior
The Revelation of the Mysteries Hidden in Silence
Those Things that He Taught to John, His Disciple]​

Prologue

One day John, the brother of James [these are the sons of Zebedee], was going up to the Temple. A Pharisee by the name of Arimanios came up to him and challenged him, asking: "Where is the teacher you used to follow?"
John replied, "He has gone back to the place from which he came."
The Pharisee said, "That Nazarene misled you (plural), told you lies, closed your hearts and turned you away from your ancestral traditions.”

When I heard these things, I, John, turned away from the temple and went off to a deserted mountainous place. I was very unhappy, saying to myself:
"How was the Savior designated?
Why did his Father send him into the world?
Who is his Father?
What kind of realm will we go to?

For, although he told us, ‘This realm is modeled on the imperishable realm,’
He didn't teach us about the latter.”
All of a sudden, while I was contemplating these things,
Behold!
The heavens opened and the whole of creation shone with a light from above,
And the world quaked!
I was afraid, yet
Behold!
A little child appeared before me in the light.
I continued looking at him as he became an old man
And then he changed again, becoming like a young man.
I didn't understand what I was seeing,
But the one likeness had several forms in the light,
And these likenesses appeared each through the other
And the vision had three forms.

He said to me,
“John, why doubt?
Why be afraid?
Don’t you know this image?
Be not afraid.
I am with you (plural) always.
I am the Father
The Mother
The Son
I am the incorruptible Purity.
I have come to teach you
About what is
And what was
And what will be
In order for you to understand
The invisible world
And the world that is visible
And the immovable race of perfect humanity.

Raise your head;
Understand my lessons;
Share them with any others who have received the spirit,
Who are from the immovable race of perfect humanity.”



The Inexpressible One

The One rules all. Nothing has authority over it.
It is the God.
It is Father of everything,
Holy One
The invisible one over everything.
It is uncontaminated
Pure light no eye can bear to look within.

The One is the Invisible Spirit.
It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God.
It is more than just God.
Nothing is above it.
Nothing rules it.
Since everything exists within it
It does not exist within anything.
Since it is not dependent on anything
It is eternal.
It is absolutely complete and so needs nothing.
It is utterly perfect
Light.

The One is without boundaries
Nothing exists outside of it to border it
The One cannot be investigated
Nothing exists apart from it to investigate it
The One cannot be measured
Nothing exists external to it to measure it
The One cannot be seen
For no one can envision it
The One is eternal
For it exists forever
The One is inconceivable
For no one can comprehend it
The One is indescribable
For no one can put any words to it.
The One is infinite light
Purity
Holiness
Stainless,
The One is incomprehensible
Perfectly free from corruption.

Not “perfect”
Not “blessed”
Not “divine”
But superior to such concepts.
Neither physical nor unphysical
Neither immense nor infinitesimal
It is impossible to specify in quantity or quality
For it is beyond knowledge.
The One is not a being among other beings
It is vastly superior
But it is not “superior.”

It is outside of realms of being and time
For whatever is within realms of being was created
And whatever is within time had time allotted to it
The One receives nothing from anything.
It simply apprehends itself in its own perfect light
The One is majestic.
The One is measureless majesty
Chief of all Realms
Producing all realms
Light
Producing light
Life
Producing life
Blessedness
Producing blessedness
Knowledge
Producing knowledge
Good
Producing goodness
Mercy
Producing mercy
Generous
Producing generosity

[It does not “possess” these things.]

It gives forth light beyond measure, beyond comprehension.

[What can I say?]

His realm is eternal, peaceful, silent, resting, before everything.
He is the head of every realm sustaining each of them through goodness.




The Origin of Reality

[We would know nothing of the ineffable
And nothing of the immeasurable
Without the help of the one who comes forth
from the One who is the Father.
He alone has informed us.]

The Father is surrounded by light.
He apprehends himself in that light

[which is the pure spring of the water of life that sustains all realms].

He is conscious of his image everywhere around him,
Perceiving his image in this spring of Spirit
Pouring forth from himself.
He is enamored of the image he sees in the light-water,
The spring of pure light-water enveloping him.
His self-aware thought (ennoia) came into being.
Appearing to him in the effulgence of his light.
She stood before him.

This, then, is the first of the powers, prior to everything.
Arising out of the mind of the Father
The Providence (pronoia) of everything.
Her light reflects His light.
She is from His image in His light
Perfect in power
Image of the invisible perfect Virgin Spirit.
She is the initial power
glory of Barbelo
glorious among the realms
glory of revelation
She gave glory to the Virgin Spirit
She praised Him
For she arose from Him.

[This, the first Thought, is the Spirit’s image]

She is the universal womb
She is before everything
She is:
Mother-Father
First Man
Holy Spirit
Thrice Male
Thrice Powerful
Thrice Named
Androgynous eternal realm
First to arise among the invisible realms.
She, Barbelo, asked the virgin Spirit for foreknowledge (prognosis).
The Spirit agreed.
Foreknowledge came forth and stood by Providence

[This one came through the Invisible Virgin Spirit’s Thought.]

Foreknowledge gave glory to the Spirit
And to Barbelo, the Spirit’s perfect power,
For She was the reason that it had come into being.



Primary Structures of the Divine Mind

She, Barbelo, asked the virgin Spirit for Incorruptibility
The Spirit agreed.
Incorruptibility came forth and stood by Thought and Foreknowledge.
Incorruptibility gave glory to the Invisible Virgin Spirit
And to Barbelo,
For She was the reason that it had come into being.

She asked for everlasting Life.
The Spirit agreed
Everlasting life came forth and they all stood together.
They gave glory to the invisible Spirit
And to Barbelo,
For She was the reason that it had come into being.

She asked for Truth.
The Spirit agreed
Truth came forth and they all stood together.
They gave glory to the invisible Spirit
And to Barbelo,
For She was the reason that it had come into being.

This is the fivefold realm of the Father:
The First Man who is
The Image of the Invisible Spirit who is
Providence who is
Barbelo who is
Thought.
And
Foreknowledge - Incorruptibility - Life Everlasting - Truth

[These are an androgynous fivefold realm - therefore it is a realm of ten - of the Father.]



Secondary Structures of the Divine Mind

The Father looked into Barbelo

[into the pure light surrounding the Invisible Spirit]

Barbelo conceived and bore a spark of light
Who had blessedness similar to, but not equal to, her blessedness,
Who was the only child of that mother–father
The only offspring,
The only begotten child of the pure light, the Father.
The Invisible Virgin Spirit celebrated the light that had been produced

Coming forth from the first power who is
The Providence
Barbelo
The Spirit anointed him with Goodness, making him perfect

[he lacked no goodness whatsoever, for he was anointed with the Invisible Spirit’s Goodness]

He stood in the Spirit’s presence and it was poured upon him.
Having received this anointing from the Spirit he immediately glorified Him
And he glorified the perfect Providence.
Because of Her he had come into being.
He asked for Mind (nous) to be a companion to him.
The Spirit consented
When the Invisible Spirit consented
Mind came into being.
It stood by the Anointed
and glorified the Spirit and Barbelo

[These beings came into existence through silence and thought.]

He wished to act through the Word of the Invisible Spirit.
Whose Will became an action and appeared with Mind
Glorifying the Light.
And then Word followed Will into being.

[The Christ, the divine autogenes, created everything through the Word.]

Everlasting Life and Will,
Mind, and Foreknowledge
Stood together.
they glorified the Invisible Spirit and Barbelo.
Because of Her they had come into being.




Tertiary Structures of the Divine Mind

The Holy Spirit
Brought his and Barbelo’s divine autogenes Son to completion
In order that he could stand before the great Invisible Virgin Spirit
As the divine autogenes Christ
And honor Him with a mighty voice

[The Son came through Providence].

The Invisible Spirit
Placed the divine autogenes over everything.
All authorities were subordinated to him.
The truth within him let him learn everything

[He is called by the highest name of all.
That name will be told only to those who are worthy to hear it
From the light, which is the Christ,]

From the incorruptibility,
Through a gift of the spirit
The Four Lights arising from the divine autogenes stood before him.

[The four fundamental powers are Understanding, Grace, Perception, and Consideration.]

Grace exists within the realm of the Light called Harmozel, the first angel.
Along with Harmozel are
Grace
Truth
Form
The second Light is called Oriel and it stands over the second realm.
With Oriel are:
Conceptualization (Epinoia)
Perception
Memory
The third Light is called Daveithai and it stands over the third realm.
With Daveithai are:
Understanding
Love
Idea
The fourth Light is called Eleleth and it stands over the fourth realm.
With Eleleth are:
Perfection
Peace
Wisdom (Sophia).
These are the four lights standing before the divine autogenes.
Twelve realms stand before the Son of the Powerful
The autogenes
The Christ
Through the intention
And the grace
Of the Invisible Spirit
Twelve realms belong to the Son of the autogenes.

[All of this came into being through the intention of the Holy Spirit
Through the autogenes.]

From the perfect mind’s foreknowledge
Through the intention of the Invisible Spirit
And the autogenes’s will.
The perfect human appeared,
Its first true manifestation
The Virgin Spirit named the human Adamas
And placed him over the first realm with the mighty autogenes Christ
With the first Light Harmozel and its powers.
The Invisible One gave Adamas invincible power of mind.
Adamas spoke, glorifying and praising the Invisible Spirit:
“Everything has come into being from you
Everything will return to you.
I will praise you and glorify you
And the Autogenes
And the triple realm:
Father – Mother – Son,
the perfect power.”

Over the second realm was appointed Adamas’s son Seth
With the second Light Oriel.
In the third realm were placed the children of Seth
With the third Light Daveithai.

[The souls of the saints are placed there.]

In the fourth realm were placed the souls of those ignorant of the fullness
Those who did not repent at once
But who, after some time, eventually repented,
They are with the fourth Light Eleleth.
All of these created beings glorify the Invisible Spirit



A Crisis that Became the World

It happened that the realm (aeon) Wisdom (Sophia)
Of conceptual thought (Epinoia),
Began to think for herself,
She used the thinking (enthymesis)
And the foreknowledge (prognosis)
Of the Invisible Spirit.

She intended to reveal an image from herself
To do so without the consent of the Spirit,
Who did not approve,
Without the thoughtful assistance of her masculine counterpart,
Who did not approve.
Without the Invisible Spirit’s consent
Without the knowledge of her partner
She brought it into being.

Because she had unconquerable Power
Her thought was not unproductive.
Something imperfect came out of her
Different in appearance from her.
Because she had created it without her masculine counterpart
She gave rise to a misshapen being unlike herself.
Sophia saw what her desire produced.

It changed into the form of a dragon with a lion’s head
And eyes flashing lightning bolts.
She cast him far from her,
Outside of the realm of the immortal beings
So that they could not see him.

[She had created him in ignorance.]

Sophia surrounded him with a brilliant cloud,
Put a throne in the center part of the cloud
So that no one would see it.

[Except for the Holy Spirit called the Mother of the Living]

She named him Yaldabaoth.
Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler.
He took great Power (dynamis) from his mother,
Left her, and moved away from his birthplace.
He assumed command,
Created realms for himself
With a brilliant flame that continues to exist even now.



The Fashioning of This World

Yaldabaoth united with the thoughtlessness (aponoia) within him.
He begot ruling authorities (exousia)
Modeling them on the incorruptible realms above.
The first is Athoth
The second is Harmas [called the eye of flame]
The third is Kalilaumbri
The fourth is Yabel
The fifth is Adonaiu [called Sabaoth]
The sixth is Cain [called the sun]
The seventh is Abel
The eighth is Abrisene
The ninth is Yobel
The tenth is Armupiel
The eleventh is Melcheir-adonein
The twelfth is Belias
Who rules over the very depth of Hades.

He made the first seven rulers to reign in the seven spheres of heaven.
He made the next five rulers to reign in the five depths of the abyss.
He shared a portion of his fire with them,
But shared none of the power of Light he had received from his mother.

[He is ignorant darkness.
When the Light mingled into the darkness
the darkness shone.
When darkness mixed with the Light,
the Light diminished,
No longer Light nor darkness but dim.]

This dim ruler has three names:
Yaldabaoth is the first.
Saklas is the second.
Samael is the third.
He is blasphemous through his thoughtlessness.
He said “I am God, and there is no God but me!”
Since he didn’t know where his own Power originated.
His rulers created seven Authorities for themselves.
Each of these Authorities created six demons apiece,
There came to be 365 demons altogether.

Here are the seven Authorities’ names and physical forms:
First, Athoth with a sheep’s face
Second, Eloaios with a donkey’s face
Third, Astaphaios with a hyena’s face
Fourth, Yao with the face of a seven headed snake
Fifth, Sabaoth who has the face of a dragon
Sixth, Adonin whose face is that of a monkey
Seventh, Sabbataios with a face of flame and fire.
These are the seven of the week.
These Authorities rule the world.

Yaldabaoth has many faces.
More than all that have been listed
So he can convey any face he wants to the seraphim around him.
Yaldabaoth shared his fire with his seraphim
But gave them none of his pure Light
Although he ruled them by virtue of the power and glory
Of the Light had received from his Mother.

[Therefore he called himself “God” and defied his place of origin.]

He united his thought’s sevenfold Powers with the Authorities who accompanied him.
He spoke and it happened.
He named those sevenfold Powers starting with the highest one:
Goodness paired with the first: Athoth
Providence paired with the second: Eloaios
Divinity paired with the third: Astaphaios
Lordship paired with the fourth: Yao
Kingdom paired with the fifth: Sabaoth
Zeal paired with the sixth: Adonin
Understanding paired with the seventh: Sabbataios

Each has its own realm modeled on one of the higher realms.
And each new name refers to a glory in the heavens
So that Yaldabaoth’s demons might be destroyed.
The demons’ own names, given by Yaldabaoth, are mighty names
But the Powers’ names reflecting the glory above
Will bring about the demons’ destruction and remove their Power.
That is why each has two names.
Yaldabaoth modeled his creation
On the pattern of the original realms above him
So that it might be just like the indestructible realms.

[Not that he had ever seen the indestructible ones.
Rather, the power in him, deriving from his mother,
made him aware of the pattern of the cosmos above.]

When he gazed upon his creation surrounding him
He said to his host of demons
The ones who had come forth out of him:
“I am a jealous God and there is no God but me!”

[But by doing this he admitted to his demons that there is indeed another God.
For, if there were no other God, whom would he possibly be jealous of?]

His mother began to move back and forth
Because she had become aware that she now lacked Light
For her brightness had dimmed.

[Since her consort had not approved of her actions, she grew darker]

[I said “Master, what does it mean ‘she moved back and forth’?”
He laughed, saying, “It’s not as Moses said ‘upon the waters.’ Not at all.”]

When she saw the evil that had taken place and
The theft of light that her son had committed
She repented.
In the darkness of ignorance
She began to forget.
She began to be ashamed.
But she could not yet return above
Yet she began to move.
And so she moved back and forth.

[The arrogant one removed Power from his mother
For he was ignorant
He thought no one existed except for his mother.
He saw the host of demons he had created
And he elevated himself above them.
But when the mother realized that that miscarriage
Was so imperfect
She came to realize that her consort had not approved.
She repented and wept furiously.]

All of the divine realms (pleroma) heard her repentant prayer
They sought blessing for her from the Invisible Virgin Spirit.
The Spirit consented.
He poured the Holy Spirit over her
Brought forth from the whole full realm.

[Her consort did not come down to her on his own,
but he came through the whole full realm
to restore her to her original condition.]

She was elevated above her son,
But she was not restored to her own original realm.
She would remain in the ninth sphere until she was fully restored.



Humanity Begins

Then came a voice from the highest realms saying:
“The Man exists! And the Son of Man!”
Yaldabaoth, chief ruler, heard it
He thought it came from his mother
He did not know the true source of the voice:
The Holy Mother-Father
Perfect Providence
Image of the Invisible
Father of Everything
In whom everything has come to be.



The First Man

[This is the one who appeared to them.
He appeared in the form of a human being.]

All of the realm of the chief ruler quaked!
The foundations of the abyss moved
He illuminated the waters above the world of matter,
His image shown in those waters.
All the demons and the first ruler together gazed up
Toward the underside of the newly shining waters.
Through that light they saw the Image in the waters.

Yaldabaoth said to his subordinate demons:
“Let’s create a man according to the image of God
And our own likeness
So that his image will illuminate us.”

Each one through another’s Power created aspects of the man;
Each added a characteristic corresponding to the psychic factors
They had seen in the Image above them.
They made a creature of substance
In the likeness of that perfect First Man
And they said, “Let us call him Adam, so that his name will give us the power of light.”




Construction of the Human Body

The seven Powers began to work:
Goodness made a psyche of bone
Providence made a psyche of sinew
Divinity made a psyche of flesh
Lordship made a psyche of marrow
Kingdom made a psyche of blood
Zeal made a psyche of skin
Understanding made a psyche of hair

The host of demons took these substances from the Powers to create the limbs and the body itself. They put the parts together and coordinated them.

The first ones began by making the head: Abron created his head; Meniggesstroeth created the brain; Asterechme the right eye; Thaspomocha, the left eye; Ieronumos, the right ear; Bissoum, the left ear; Akioreim, the nose; Banenrphroum, the lips; Amen, the front teeth; Ibikan, the molars; Basiliademe, the tonsils; Achcha, the uvula; Adaban, the neck; Chaaman, the neckbones; Dearcho, the throat; Tebar, the shoulder; Mniarcon, the elbow; Abitrion, the right arm; Evanthen, the left arm; Krys, the right hand; Beluai, the left hand; Treneu, the fingers of the right hand; Balbel, the fingers of the left hand; Kriman, fingernails; Astrops, the right breast; Barroph, the left breast; Baoum, the right shoulder joint; Ararim, the left shoulder joint; Areche, the belly; Phthave, the navel; Senaphim, the abdomen; Arachethopi, the right ribs; Zabedo, the left ribs; Barias, the right hip; Phnouth the left hip; Abenlenarchei, the marrow; Chnoumeninorin, the skeleton; Gesole, the stomach; Agromauna, the heart; Bano, the lungs; Sostrapal, the liver; Anesimalar, the spleen; Thopithro, the intestines; Biblo, the kidneys; Roeror, the sinews; Taphreo, the spine; Ipouspoboba, the veins; Bineborin, the arteries; Atoimenpsephei, respiration; Entholleia, the flesh; Bedouk, the right buttock; Arabeei, the penis; Eilo, the testicles; Sorma, the genitals; Gormakaiochlabar, the right thigh; Nebrith, the left thigh; Pserem, the kidneys of the right leg; Asaklas, the left kidney; Ormaoth, the right leg; Emenun, the left leg; Knyx, the right shin; Tupelon, the left shin; Achiel, the right knee; Phnene, the left knee; Phiouthrom, the right foot; Boabel, its toes; Trachoun, the left foot; Phikna, its toes; Miamai, the toenails.

And those who were appointed over all of these are:
Zathoth,
Armas,
Kalila,
Iabel,
Sabaoth,
Cain,
Abel.

The energizing powers in the limbs were divided among:
the head made by Diolimodraza; the neck by Yammeax; the right shoulder Yakouib; the left shoulder Verton; the right hand Oudidi; the left Arbao; the fingers of the right hand Lampno; the fingers of the left hand Leekaphar; the right breast Barbar; the left breast Imae; the chest Pisandriaptes; the right shoulder joint Koade; the left shoulder joint Odeor; the right ribs Asphixix; the left ribs Synogchouta; the abdomen Arouph; the womb Sabalo; the right thigh Charcharb; the left thigh Chthaon; the genitals Bathinoth; the right leg Choux; the left leg Charcha; the right shin Aroer; the left shin Toechtha; the right knee Aol; the left knee Charaner; the right foot Bastan; its toes Archentechtha; the left foot Marephnounth; its toes Abrana.

Seven govern the whole body:
Michael,
Ouriel,
Asmenedas,
Saphasatoel,
Aarmouriam,
Richram,
Amiorps.

The one who governs perceptions: Archendekta
The one who governs reception: Deitharbathas
The one who governs imagination: Oummaa
The one who governs integration: Aachiaram
The one who governs impulse: Riaramnacho.

There is a fourfold source of the bodily demons:
Hot, Cold, Dry, Wet.

[Matter is the mother of them all.]

Ruler of hot: Phloxopha
Ruler of cold: Oroorrothos
Ruler of dry: Erimacho
Ruler of wet: Athuro.

Their mother stands among them: Onorthochrasaei
She is unlimited
She mixes with all of them.
She is matter
And they are nourished by her.

The four chief demons are:
Ephememphi, associated with pleasure,
Yoko, associated with desire,
Nenentophni, associated with distress,
Blaomen, associated with fear.
Their mother is Esthesis-Zouch-Epi-Ptoe.

Out from these four demons come passions:
From distress arises
Envy, jealousy, grief, vexation,
Discord, cruelty, worry, mourning.
From pleasure comes much evil
And unmerited pride,
And so forth.
From desire comes
Anger, fury, bitterness, outrage, dissatisfaction
And so forth.
From fear emerges
Horror, flattery, suffering, and shame.

[Their thought and truth is Anayo, the ruler of the material soul.
It belongs with the seven senses, Esthesis-Zouch-Epi-Ptoe.]

This is the total number of the demons: 365
They worked together to complete, part by part, the psychical and the material body.
There are even more of them in charge of other passions
That I didn’t tell you about.
If you want to know about them
You will find the information in the Book of Zoroaster.

All of Yaldabaoth’s servants and his demons
Worked to finish the psychic body.
For a very long time it lay inanimate
It did not move.

Yaldabaoth’s mother wanted to take back the Power
She had turned over to the Chief Ruler.
She earnestly asked the most merciful,
The Mother-Father of everything,
For help.



Yaldabaoth Deceived

By His sacred command He sent down the five Lights
In the forms of the principal advisors to Yaldabaoth.

[This led to the removal of Yaldabaoth’s mother’s divine Power from him.]

They told Yaldabaoth:
“Blow some of your Spirit in the man’s face,
Then his body will rise up.”
Yaldabaoth blew some of his Spirit into the man.
That Spirit was the divine Power of his mother.

[He didn’t understand what was happening, for he lived in ignorance.]

His mother’s divine Power left Yaldabaoth
It entered the psychic human body
Modeled on the primordial image.
The human body moved!
It grew powerful!
It shone!

Yaldabaoth’s demonic forces envied the man.
Through their united efforts he had come into being
They had given their Power to him.
His understanding was far greater than that of those who had created him.
And greater than that of the Chief Ruler himself.
When they realized that he shone with light
And could think better than they could
And was naked of evil,
They took him and cast him down
Into the lowest depths of the material world.



The Beginning of Salvation

The blessed one.
The Mother-Father
The good merciful one
Looked compassionately upon the Mother’s Power
Relinquished by the Chief Ruler.

Since Yaldabaoth’s demons might again overpower the perceptible psychic body
He sent down from his good Spirit a helper for Adam,
Out of his great compassion
A light-filled Epinoia emerged.
And he called her Life (Zoe).
She aids the entire creation
Working with him
Restoring him to the fullness.

She taught Adam about the way his people had descended
She taught Adam about the way he could ascend,
Which is the way he had descended.
The light-filled Epinoia was hidden in Adam.
So that the rulers wouldn’t know about her
For Epinoia would repair the disaster their mother had caused.

[Adam was revealed because within him dwelt the shadow of light.
His mental abilities were far greater than those of his creators.
They had gazed upward and seen his exalted mental capability.]

The host of rulers and demons plotted together
They mixed fire and earth and water
Together with four blazing winds
They melded them together in great turbulence.
Adam was brought into the shadow of death.
They intended to make him anew
This time from
Earth,
Water,
Fire,
Wind,
Which are
Matter,
Darkness,
Desire,
The Artificial Spirit.
This all became a tomb,
A new kind of body.

Those thieves bound the man in it,
Enchained him in forgetfulness,
Made him subject to dying.

[His was the first descent
And the first separation.
Yet the light-filled Epinoia within him will elevate his thinking.]



Adam in Yaldabaoth's Paradise

The rulers took the man and put him into paradise
They told him to eat freely.

[Their food is bitter; their beauty is corrupt.
Their food is deceit; their trees are ungodliness.
Their fruit is poison.
Their promise is death.]

They placed the Tree of Their Life into the middle of paradise.
Its root is bitter
Its branches are dead.
Its shadow is hatred
Its leaves are deception
The nectar of wickedness is in its blossoms.
Its fruit is death
Its seed is desire
It flowers in the darkness.
Those who eat from it are denizens of Hades
Darkness is their resting place.

As for the tree called “The Knowledge Of Good And Evil”
It is the Epinoia of the light.
They commanded him not to eat from it,
Standing in front to conceal it,
For fear that he might look upwards to the fullness
And know the nakedness of his indecency.

[However, I caused them to eat.
I asked the Savior,
“Lord, isn’t it the serpent that caused Adam to eat?”
He smiled and replied,
“The serpent caused them to eat
in order to produce the wickedness of the desire to reproduce
that would make Adam helpful to him.”]

The chief ruler, Yaldabaoth, knew that
Because the light-filled Epinoia within Adam
Made his mental abilities greater than his own,
Adam had been disobedient.
In order to recover the Power that he had put into Adam
Yaldabaoth made Adam completely forgetful.


[I asked the Savior, “What is it to be ‘completely forgetful?’”

He replied, “It is not what Moses wrote in his first book:
‘He caused Adam to fall into deep sleep’
Rather, Adam’s perceptions were veiled
And he became unconscious.
As he (Yaldabaoth) said through his prophet:
'I will make their minds dull so that they do not see or understand.'”]




Woman Comes into Being

The light-filled Epinoia hid deep within Adam.
The Chief Ruler tried to remove her from his ribcage,
But Epinoia cannot be captured.
Although the darkness pursued her it did not catch her.
The Chief ruler did remove a portion of his Power from Adam
To create a person with a woman’s form
Modeled on the light-filled Epinoia that had been manifested to him.
He placed the Power removed from the man into the woman.

[It did not happen the way Moses said it did:
“he took a rib and made the woman.”]

Adam saw the woman standing next to him.
The light-filled Epinoia immediately appeared to him
She raised up the veil that dulled his mind.
He sobered up from the dark drunkenness
And he recognized his own counterpart.

He said: “This is bone from my bones
Flesh from my flesh.”
Because of this a man will leave his mother and father
And be joined to a woman and those two will become one flesh.
For they will send his helper to him.

[Sophia, our sister, came down
Descending innocently
So as to regain what she had lost.
Therefore she was called Life.
The Mother of the Living
The one from the Providence of the Authority of Heaven
By her assistance people can achieve perfect knowledge.]

I appeared as an eagle perched on the Tree of Knowledge!

[Which is the Epinoia from the pure Providence of Light.]

In order to teach them
And raise them up from sleep’s depths.

[For the two of them were fallen and aware of their nakedness.
Epinoia appeared as a being full of light
She enlightened their minds.]

When Yaldabaoth discovered that they had moved away from him
He cursed his earth.
He located the woman as she was preparing herself for her man.
He gave the woman over so that the man might be her master,
Because he did not know the secret of the divine strategy.

The man and woman were too terrified to renounce Yaldabaoth,
Who showed his ignorance to his angels
And he cast both of them out of paradise
Dressing them in heavy darkness.

The Chief Archon saw the young woman who was standing by Adam.
He realized that the light-filled Epinoia of life was within her.
Yaldabaoth became completely ignorant.

[When the Providence of all saw what was going to happen
She sent assistants to remove Divine Life from Eve.]

Yaldabaoth raped Eve.
She bore two sons.

[Elohim was the name of the first.
Yahweh was the name of the second.
Elohim has a bear’s face.
Yahweh has a cat’s face.
One is righteous;
One is not.
Yahweh is righteous;
Elohim is not.
Yahweh would command fire and wind
Elohim would command water and earth.]

Yaldabaoth deceptively named the two: Cain and Abel.

[From then until now sexual intercourse has persisted
Thanks to the Chief Ruler
Who put desire for reproduction into the woman who accompanies Adam.
Through intercourse the Ruler caused new human bodies to be produced
And he blew his artificial spirit into each of them.]

Yaldabaoth installed the two with authority over natural elements
So they can to rule over the tomb.



The Children of Seth Populate the World

Adam had intercourse with the image of his foreknowledge (prognosis)
He begot a son like the Son of Man
And he called that son Seth
Modeling him on the heavenly race in the higher realms.
In the same way the mother sent down her spirit
The image of herself
A model of the full higher realm,
In order to prepare a place for the descent of the realms.

The Chief Ruler, though, forced the humans to drink
From waters of forgetfulness
So that they might not know their true place of origin.
The children (of Seth) remained in this condition for a while
In order that when the Spirit descends from the holy realms
The Spirit can raise up the children and heal them from all defects
And thus restore complete holiness to the fullness of God.



Six Questions about the Soul

I asked the Savior, “Lord, will every soul be saved and enter the pure light?”

He replied, “You are asking an important question, one it will be impossible to answer for anyone who is not a member of the unmoved race. They are the people upon whom the Spirit of Life will descend and the power will enable them to be saved and to become perfect and worthy of greatness. They expunge evil from themselves and they will care nothing for wickedness, wanting only that which is not corrupt. They will achieve freedom from rage, envy, jealousy, desire, or craving.”

“The physical body will negatively effect them. They wear it as they look forward to the time when they will meet up with those who will remove it. Those people deserve indestructible eternal life. They endure everything, bearing up under everything that happens so that they can deserve the good and inherit life eternal.”

Then I asked him, “Lord, what about the souls who didn’t do these things even though the Spirit of Life’s power descended on them?“

He answered, “If the Spirit descends to people they will be transformed and saved. The power descends on everyone and, without it, no one can even stand up. After they are born, if the Spirit of Life increases in them, power comes to them and their souls are strengthened. Nothing then can leave them astray into wickedness. But if the artificial spirit comes into people, it leads them astray.”

Then I said, “Lord, when souls come out of the flesh where do they go?”

He replied, smiling, “If the soul is strong it has more of power than it has of the artificial spirit and so it flees from wickedness. With the assistance of the Incorruptible One that soul is saved and it attains eternal rest.”

I then asked him, “Lord, what of the souls of the people who do not know whose people they are? Where do they go?”

He responded, “In those people the artificial spirit has grown strong and they have gone astray. Their souls are burdened, drawn to wickedness, and cast into forgetfulness.”
“When they come forth from the body, such a soul is given over to the powers created by the rulers, bound in chains, and cast into prison again. Around and around it goes until it manages to become free from forgetfulness through knowledge. And so, eventually, it becomes perfect and is saved.”

Then I asked, “Lord, how does the soul shrink down so as to be able to enter its mother or a man?

He was happy that I asked this and said, “You are truly blessed because you have understood. The soul should be guided by another within whom is the Spirit of Life. It will be saved by that means and accordingly will not have to enter a body again.

And I said, “Lord, what happens to the souls of people who achieved true knowledge, but who turned away from it?”

He said to me, “Demons of poverty will take them to a place where there is no possibility of repentance. There they will stay until the time when those who blasphemed against the spirit will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever.”

I asked, “Lord, where did the artificial spirit come from?”

And he told me:



Three Plots against Humanity

The Mother-Father is merciful
A Holy Spirit sympathizing with us.
Through the Epinoia of the Providence of the light
It raises up the children of the perfect race
Raising up their thought, their light eternal.

When the Chief Archon learned that they were elevated above him
And that their mental ability surpassed his
He wanted to put a stop to their thought
But he did not know the extent of their mental superiority
And he could not stop them.
He made a plan with his demons
Who are his powers
Each of them fornicated with Wisdom (Sophia)
And produced fate
The last variety of imprisonment.

Fate changes unpredictably
It is of different sorts just as the demons are of different sorts.
Fate is hard.
Fate is stronger than
The gods, the authorities, the demons, the generations of people
Who are caught up in it.

Out of fate emerged
Sinfulness, violence, blasphemy, forgetfulness, ignorance,
Weighty commandments
Heavy sins
Terrible fear.
In this way all of creation became blind,
Ignorant of God above everything.
Because of imprisonment in forgetfulness
They are unaware of their sins,
They are bound into periods of time and seasons
By fate who is lord of it all.

Yaldabaoth eventually came to regret everything he had created.
He decided to bring a great flood
Upon creation, upon mankind.
But the great light of Providence warned Noah.
He preached to all of the children,
The sons of men,
But if they were strangers to him they didn’t listen.

[It was not the way Moses said: “they hid in an ark.”
Rather, they hid in a special place,
Not just Noah
but also many other people from the immovable race.
They went into hiding within a cloud of light.]

Noah knew his own authority
And that of the light Being who illuminated them
Although the Chief Ruler poured darkness over all the world.
The Chief Ruler and his powers plotted a strategy,
To send his demons to human daughters
And make themselves children by them to enjoy.
But they failed.

After their failure they made another plan.
They created an artificial spirit
Modeled on the Spirit who descended
So, to impregnate souls by means of this spirit,
The demons changed appearance
to look like the women’s husbands
They filled the women with that spirit of darkness and wickedness.

They brought into being
Gold and silver,
Money and coins,
Iron and other metals and all things of this sort.
And the people who were attracted were led astray into troubles
And were greatly misled.
And grew old
Experiencing no pleasure,
And died
Finding no truth,
Never knowing the true God.
This is the way that they enslaved all of creation
From the foundation of the world until now.

[They took some women and produced children out of darkness
And they closed their hearts
And they hardened themselves
in the hardness of their artificial spirit
Until the present day.]


The Providence Hymn


I am the Providence of everything.
I became like my own human children.
I existed from the first.
I walked down every possible road.
I am the wealth of the light.
I am the remembering of the fullness.
I walked into the place of greatest darkness and on down.
I entered the central part of the prison.
The foundations of chaos quaked.
I hid because of their evil.
They did not recognize me.

I came down a second time
continuing on.
I emerged from among those of light
I am the remembering of Providence
I entered the middle of darkness,
The inner part of the underworld
To pursue my mission.
The foundations of chaos quaked.
Threatening to collapse upon all who were there
And utterly destroy them
I soared upward again
To my roots in light
So as not to destroy them all yet.

I descended a third time.
I am light
I am dwelling in light
I am the remembering of Providence
I entered the midst of darkness
I came to the deepest part of the underworld.
I let my face light up
Thinking of the end of their time
I entered their prison
The body is that prison

I cried out:
“Anyone who hears,
Rise up from your deep sleep!”
And the sleeping one awoke and wept
Wiping bitter tears saying
“Who calls me?”
“Where has my hope come from
As I lie in the depths of this prison?”

“I am the Providence of pure light,” I replied,
“I am the thought of the Virgin Spirit
Raising you up to an honored place.
Rise up!
Remember what you have heard.
Trace back your roots
To me.
The merciful one.
Guard against the poverty demons.
Guard against the chaos demons.
Guard against all who would bind you.
Awaken!
Stay awake!
Rise out of the depths of the underworld!

I raised him up
I sealed him with the light/water of the five seals.
Death had no power over him ever again.
I ascend again to the perfect realm.
I completed everything and you have heard it.”




Conclusion

“I have told you everything now so that you can write it all down
And share it with your fellow spirits secretly
For this is the mystery of the unmoved race.”

The Savior gave all of this to him to write and to keep carefully. He said to him, “Anyone who exchanges it for a present, or for food, or for drink, or for clothing, or for anything else of that sort will be cursed.”

These things came to John in a mystery.
Instantly the Savior vanished.
John came to his fellow disciples and told them what the Savior had said to him.

Jesus the Christ.
Amen.

The Apocryphon of John



© 2005 by Stevan Davies
This translation is presented in the Gnostic Society Library by exclusive permission of the author.
All rights including right of electronic reproduction are reserved by the author.​

 

shiloh on Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:27 pm
Raven wrote:

(The Apocryphon of John)
The Secret Book of John ​

Translated by Stevan Davies
This translation is presented in The Gnostic Society Library by exclusive permission of the author.
All rights including right of electronic reproduction are reserved by the author.
© 2005 Stevan Davies​

Notes by the Translator
It has always seemed to me that the Secret Book of John evolved to be more difficult to read than it originally was. The Secret Book of John is a complex developmental mythology that has been made more complicated because, over the years, versions of it have been “improved” by several levels of scribal alteration. One set of levels is the evident addition of rather lengthy texts (a list of magical names, a dialogue on the soul, a providence hymn) to an original version that lacked them. Another set of levels is the addition by various scribes of what they intended to be useful comments, explanations, clarifications and supplementary details. The former processes continue to be added to the text when scholars such as myself add introductory paragraphs, or indeed whole book-length texts to introduce or comment on the Secret Book of John. The latter processes continue when scholars interrupt the flow of the text by adding subheadings (such as the section headings added here in Bold Italics) and notes intended to assist the reader’s understanding.

I believe that readers will benefit from seeing the various individual elements constituting the text as separable units and so be relieved from thinking that somehow all of this material constitutes one originally coherent whole. To this end, in this version of my translation I use two formatting techniques to identify and separate-out several forms of material that seem to have been added at different times to the original. For more extensive textual additions I have arranged that the translation make use of different color fonts. There is one font color for the main body of the Secret Book of John (font color 1), another for the material I believe to have been added by a Christian editor who sought to present the text as a long dialogue between Jesus and John son of Zebedee (font color 2); this material occurs in two large blocks at the beginning and toward the end of the text and also in occasional dialogues imbedded throughout the last half of the text. Another font (font color 3) distinguishes a long list of demons’ names that are associated with specific body parts, a magical text apparently taken from an unknown source called the "Book of Zoroaster". Another (font color 4) is used for the included dialogue about the soul. Finally a font (font color 5) designates the three part hymn spoken by God’s Providence (Pronoia).

In addition to these different fonts, I have put in square brackets the occasional short passages, or sentences, or phrases that I believe were added to the text by scribes over the years, additions that were intended to make the text more understandable, or to identify elements of the text with aspects of the Christian religion. If you ask how I know which parts were added as comments and so forth, the answer is that I make informed guesses. That’s really what most scholarship comes down to… informed guesses.
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[1:15:32 PM - Tuesday, August 12th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: This 'xtian apologetics preview' regarding the Noah film is rather interesting and fits the present timeline to a marker. It shows how the human mind has become polarised. Thuban informants know of course how the Hollywood genre about the 'illuminati' subject matter has become itself only partially 'elucidated'.
[1:18:55 PM] Shiloh: So, whilst this 'biblical fundamentalist' does discern the kabbalistic-freemason-ptb origin of those so called 'secret societies', he fails to perceive the original stories and creation mythologies underpinning all such accounts and including say the 'flood myths' of all human cultures and historical memories; say as indicated (but not thoroughly revealed) in the apocryphon and the GOT



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-dead-dies_n_5670050.html

[9:30:51 AM] Sirius 17: Robin Williams has died, they think it may of been suicide
[9:31:58 AM] Sirius 17: I loved him, what a tragedy
[9:39:05 AM] Sirius 17: he is in the real movie now of what dreams may come

Robin McLaurin Williams --- {July 21, 1951; Chicago, Illinois, U.S. --- August 11, 2014 (aged 63); Marin County, California, U.S.}​

[1:57:21 PM] raxnae: I thought that the director implemented the Book of Enoch elements into it such as the Watchers
[2:04:13 PM] Shiloh: The Book of Enoch of Hurtak is VERY overrated
[2:04:32 PM] Shiloh: It is rather nabsey
[2:05:42 PM] Shiloh: perhaps 80% of all the so called 'esoteric' info on youtube and the www is nabs rax and should be approached with discernment salts
[2:06:00 PM] raxnae: yes I've noticed haha
[2:06:32 PM] Shiloh: Here with nabs I mean a percentage of partial truth and verifiable information and a much larger amount of pure human minded speculations and fantasies
[2:07:04 PM] Shiloh: Take Terrence McKenna for example and someone I respect
[2:08:44 PM] Shiloh: Yet, his 'Enochian realisations' derived from psychedelic altered states of awareness and so whilst a greater proportion of this 'higer D data' has value in my assessment, this derives from the fact, that Terence was in fact a rational sort of fellow with a good analytic and reasoning mind
[2:10:12 PM] raxnae: i see
[2:10:35 PM] Shiloh: The Hurtak material is also from a 'higher D' dream state and like so many similar ideas (say Urantia Book, Mormons, Theosophy, Crowley etc), all have very human egocentric interpretations interwoven and depending on personal experiences and educational backgrounds
[2:11:20 PM] Shiloh: My approach is to dismiss nothing at all, but to evaluate all data in terms of a cosmic and nonhuman perspective.
[2:11:41 PM] Shiloh: In this way you can clearly see what is of a cosmic agenda and what is human mind limited
[2:15:02 PM] Shiloh: A cosmic agenda is one, which is like an observer mode, which WATCHES this planet and is not at all engaged in its internal disputes on any personal-national-religious-alternative agenda
[2:15:42 PM] raxnae: neutral observation
[2:16:02 PM] Shiloh: It is like you standing in front of a canvas and thinking or imagining things and subject matter to paint as the creator of a painting or 'work of art'
[2:16:28 PM] Shiloh: But then the colours and hues are there ready to be placed onto the canvas
[2:17:02 PM] Shiloh: the difference is that this canvas or 'chess game' has the pieces moving by itself with a certain degree of self determinations
[2:17:36 PM] Shiloh: So the dynamic chess game becomes the world affairs of the human planetary civilization or culture
[2:18:39 PM] Shiloh: Making a movie is another allegory. You give the actors scripts, but allow a certain amount of improvisations
[2:20:00 PM] Shiloh: Nabsers call this co-creation, without realising that directors and producers of the new movie are required. Everyone so is in fact a co-creator, but like with having a particular license of improvisation, though being required to follow some overarching guidelines or 'cosmic laws'.
And the director and producer can indeed call a halt to the 'free licenses' of the co-creating, should this cocreating deviate too much from the cosmic plan and agenda in a 'humanisation' or more planetary human egocentric determination.
And it is my informed assessment, that the 'free licences' of the human co-creating have reached a certain plateau of cosmic ineffectiveness and so a special kind of 'cosmic interference', which is both from within and from without the human quarantine zone is now becoming implemented, say in a decade from 2007 to 2012 to 2017 and derived from particular timeline codes such as 'jubilees' and the 'generations of mankind'

[2:40:25 PM] raxnae: mankind needs all the help it can get haha
[2:42:46 PM] Sirius 17: nice post you made to clarify Tony
[2:43:26 PM] Sirius 17: speaking of 'movies' we just got back from watching Edge of Tomorrow
[2:43:47 PM] Sirius 17: Tom Cruise in an end of the world invasion ground hog day
[2:44:30 PM] Sirius 17: at least the producers of this film saw that these so called ET's had the capabilities to change time
[2:44:45 PM] Sirius 17: er manipulate it rather
[2:45:08 PM] Sirius 17: they would just keep running the same day over until they had the 'enemy' figured out
[2:46:04 PM] Sirius 17: but if you killed one of the 'blue' ones and some of it's blood got into you, like what happened to Tom in the movie, than you became the time master and could in effect hack in to their time bubble
[2:46:18 PM] Sirius 17: and then re-configure
[2:46:45 PM] Sirius 17: it was bizarre
[2:47:26 PM] Sirius 17: but yes most of these so called luciferian experts have no idea who even Lucifer is
[2:47:27 PM] Shiloh: A bit too human fantastic
[2:47:52 PM] Shiloh: Its as misunderstood as Jesus and MM
[2:47:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[2:48:04 PM] Sirius 17: completely
[2:48:27 PM] Shiloh: The past can be observed, but not altered in my nous
[2:48:35 PM] Sirius 17: why I have to laugh whenever I see one of these videos talking about Lucifer worshipers lol
[2:48:41 PM] Sirius 17: like they know
[2:49:10 PM] Shiloh: The past is there to allow choices to project and to alter probablility future outcomes however
[2:49:35 PM] Shiloh: Lucifer is the Serpent of Eden - period
[2:49:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes we know
[2:50:03 PM] Shiloh: The Pigeradamas and nonincarnate Logos of the Sophia
[2:50:28 PM] Shiloh: The first representation of the Christ Child from Abba and Baab
[2:50:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[2:51:35 PM] Sirius 17: did you read the secret book of John rax?

[2:51:39 PM] Shiloh: But it is required to be BOTH White and Black to embody the original AbbaBaab Unity and so there must, in the human mindedness of the 'realm of the Duality', exist BOTH a White Luciferian brotherhood AND a Black Luciferian Sisterhood

[2:52:27 PM] Shiloh: The Serpent or Eden is both the PAST and the FUTURE in the PRESENT
[2:53:21 PM] Shiloh: SERPENT =97= Son of Man = Circle of God and the MOTHER =79= AlphaOmega reversed
[2:54:02 PM] Shiloh: From such codes derive silly satanist reversals and nabs 'exposures' of upside down crosses and subliminal this and thats and the 'evil rites' of the 'secret clans' from the Vatican to freemasons to neo-nazis and neo-cons and neo-whatevers
[2:54:27 PM] Sirius 17: yes they don't see the ouroboros

[2:59:25 PM] Shiloh: Lucifer is the 'he' transforming into a 'heshe' and Lucifera is 'A Lucifer' metamorphosing into a 'shehe' from the 'h'e as Adam-Abba image becoming mirrored in a real world in the 'she' as Eve-Baab image, but originally coming 'out of Adam as a rib' archetype and so disallowing the creation of a 'shehe' in the fantasy world or heaven
[3:00:37 PM] Shiloh: This process, then becomes a light-darkness synthesis and synergy
[3:01:11 PM] Shiloh: The Universe as old creation doubles or twins itself like the Möbius strip or the Klein Bottle (in surface area available to store data say and as memory), using its own 'nexus' or singularity or Black Hole as bottomless pit etc
[3:02:24 PM] Shiloh: This brings AbbaBaab aka CreatorCreation aka YangYin aka goodevil aka LightDarkness as twilight back together again, and who had to separate to eliminate the fantasy heaven as abstract place of the original genesis and to so create the original physicality as the 'cosmic antistate of the abstract light' of the 'perfect unknowable one' as per the apocryphon.
The 'unknowable' and 'undefinable' so REQUIRES its own finitisation; which is but the creation of the physical limitations in the doubling of the duality of knowable and unknowable or Zero/Void with Eternity/Infinity into a real, however mathematical process or procedure, which enables the mathematical Infinity to become DEFINED as a limiting process within its finite mathematical subset.
Such is the true reality of the 'Secret name of God' as the I Am That I Am! of Exodus.3.14 as its anagram transformation from an asymmetric tetragrammaton YaHWeH into the symmetric pentagrammaton YaHWHeY in the I Am That Am I as the MATHIMATIA=95=Excalibur=Neptune=Scorpio=.. etc and as the contemporary archetype of the PHOENIX 'Rising' as the Scorpio of the gnostic gospel of John being also the Eagle of John. This is nicely metaphored in the 'Rise like a phoenix song' of the 2014 Eurovision contest and scandal, as the artist was a Dragqueen (Conchita Wurst) and so representing just this he doubling into a heshe and vice versa. This then also depicts the 'shortcomings' or unresolved issues in the apocryphon with respect to the 'unknowability' of the 'perfect one' from the beginning of time and space and all creation accounts and mythologies
[3:03:30 PM] Shiloh: AbbaBaab(Unreal or abstract) = Abba(abstract)+Baab(real) = AbbaBaab(Abstract) + AbbaBaab(Real) = Mental Metaphysical Universe + Physical Universe as a Unification of Opposites allowing cross fertilizations between them in a higher dimensional synergy of its 'building blocks' of memes and superstrings as wavicles (waved particles) or mem(ory) branes
[3:04:14 PM] Shiloh: The middle part is the 'Exile or banishment from fantasy heaven' aka the 'Quantum Big Bang' of modern scientific understanding and model building
[3:05:37 PM] Shiloh: This of course allows all sorts of fantasy and fake gods and devils to be human mind created, such as the Jehovah-Allah abomination
[3:06:40 PM] Shiloh: Because BOTH reality and unreality must form the cosmic dichotomy in which all contexts must manifest and play
[3:07:29 PM] Shiloh: Then when polarity potentials are maximised, the real and the unreal will blend to create the doubling of the entire old creation as a twinship new creation

[3:18:45 PM] Sirius 17:


this is a sweet scene
[3:19:39 PM] Shiloh: I wonder what caused Robin's depression
[3:20:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes me too
[3:21:17 PM] Sirius 17: it is said that he had been struggling with alcohol and drugs his whole life
[3:21:24 PM] Sirius 17: addiction
[3:24:21 PM] Sirius 17: President Barack Obama's statement sent from the White House summed it up:

"Robin Williams was an airman, a doctor, a genie, a nanny, a president, a professor, a bangarang Peter Pan, and everything in between. But he was one of a kind. He arrived in our lives as an alien -- but he ended up touching every element of the human spirit. He made us laugh. He made us cry. He gave his immeasurable talent freely and generously to those who needed it most -- from our troops stationed abroad to the marginalized on our own streets."

[3:34:33 PM] Sirius 17: Williams made at least two trips to rehab for drug treatment, including a visit this summer, and he underwent heart surgery in 2009.
[3:34:43 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/showbiz/robin-williams-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
[3:35:03 PM] Sirius 17: I read someplace else that he had an aortic valve replacement
[3:35:52 PM] Shiloh: He was an excellent representative of a cosmic human or what an evolved human mind should be like
[3:36:12 PM] Shiloh: But then the environmental pressures destroy even those qualities
[3:36:20 PM] Sirius 17: yes, sadly
[3:36:56 PM] Sirius 17: perhaps he could not bear to watch anymore suffering
[3:37:36 PM] Sirius 17: I think he felt things very deeply
[3:40:11 PM] Shiloh: yes, he strikes me as such
[3:43:57 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/11/nr-laporte-boy-poses-severed-head.cnn.html
[3:44:03 PM] Sirius 17: this is over the top
[3:44:17 PM] Sirius 17: I am guessing you have seen this on the news over there
[3:46:46 PM] Shiloh: But true
[3:46:56 PM] Shiloh: yes it is viral here
[3:47:23 PM] Shiloh: See how this Isis cra16 is now coming to a head
[3:47:44 PM] Sirius 17: yes it is getting unreal
[3:48:07 PM] Shiloh: The insanity of the human mind is polarized in this in a maximization and it is affecting the human groupmind
[3:48:49 PM] Shiloh: The memeplex is now Islamic State and global
[3:49:09 PM] Sirius 17: you would think the holocaust would of been enough
[3:49:11 PM] Shiloh: No longer restricted to Syria and Iraq
[3:49:53 PM] Shiloh: It is because young children are engaged, that the human blah blah is being confronted with its most vile expressions
[3:50:41 PM] raxnae: yes I read it, it is very interesting but I'm afraid I don't have the eyes to read between the lines and find the hidden codes
[3:51:11 PM] Shiloh: The apocryphon is no easy read
[3:51:32 PM] Shiloh: It is rather convoluted, because it addresses this 'undefinability'
[3:51:49 PM] Shiloh: Like it is some sort of unfathomable world
[3:51:53 PM] Shiloh: It is not
[3:52:18 PM] Shiloh: But only logical discourse and definition can REDEFINE the unknowable
[3:53:08 PM] Shiloh: This islamist jihad agenda represents the polarisation opposite extreme contra that logistics
[3:53:28 PM] Shiloh: Pure hatred and belief in fantasies
[3:53:46 PM] Shiloh: The GOT is easier to digest
[3:54:33 PM] Shiloh: There are passages in the apocryphon which seem to reject all physicality
[3:54:40 PM] Shiloh: This is not so in the GOT
[3:55:15 PM] Shiloh: This rejection is part of the projected 'supremacy' of the unknowable spirit over anything created
[3:55:36 PM] raxnae: I've been pondering the GOT in depth but I still lack a proper understanding of it
[3:55:39 PM] Shiloh: It neglects or omits the 'real Logos' from the GOT
[3:55:51 PM] Sirius 17: it is deeply symbolic, but an interesting study to ponder
[3:56:23 PM] Shiloh: Iow, the 'saviour' in the apocryphon has a number of very human minded characteristics and so is not of the power and quality found in the GOT
[3:56:34 PM] Sirius 17: I like it but all those names of the different archons and angels can be confusing
[3:56:41 PM] Shiloh: the GOT is flawless, the apocryphon is not
[3:56:53 PM] Sirius 17: true
[3:57:03 PM] Sirius 17: The Thunder Mind is good too for comparisons
[3:57:11 PM] Sirius 17: that is also in the collection rax
[3:57:16 PM] Shiloh: The GOT was composed by a nonhuman mind, but the apocryphon draws on that but has some 'human mind pollutions' in it
[3:58:45 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/thunder.html
[3:59:04 PM] Shiloh: Historically, the GOT represents the 'Quelle' or Q document of the historians, attempting to synthesise all of the gospels and dates to 32-35AD, whilst the apocryphon is younger and not as 'eye witnessed' as the former
[4:01:11 PM] Sirius 17: well and even the scholars talk about the latter additions to the apocrypha and how these additions sort of muddle the original versions too
[4:01:27 PM] Sirius 17: the GOT doesn't have this
[4:02:42 PM] Shiloh: The GOT is a real ET document and not of human origin. The GOT is far more authoritative than the 'leaked' documents from whatever sources as presented by the nabsers
[4:03:28 PM] Sirius 17: it is good to look at the other nag hammadi codex though for comparisons just to see the difference between Jesus's words and the interpretation of them.
[4:03:47 PM] Sirius 17: yes exactly
[4:03:59 PM] Sirius 17: you can tell a difference in the tone and feel the authority
[4:04:23 PM] Sirius 17: in the GOT it is most present
[4:04:39 PM] Sirius 17: this ET mind that Tony talks about
[4:04:54 PM] Sirius 17: it is the real Logos
[4:07:18 PM] Sirius 17: the 'codes' that Tony talks about are like number sentences in passages in the bible for example
[4:07:44 PM] Sirius 17: so not really hidden, just their meanings
[4:08:07 PM] Shiloh: Indeed
[4:09:41 PM] Shiloh: You can look at the 'interpretations' of the GOT one by one here and by so called experts and laymen alike
[4:09:51 PM] Sirius 17:

John 21:11 - King James Version (KJV)

11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

[4:09:56 PM] Sirius 17: like this one for example
[4:10:05 PM] Sirius 17: 153 fishes
[4:10:08 PM] Sirius 17: is a code
[4:10:42 PM] Shiloh: It is ludicrous, as to what they come up with. For example they even fail to get the 'Eating of the Lion' wrong, despite an entire eucharistic tradition of the catholics being centred on just this
[4:10:47 PM] Shiloh: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas7.html
[4:12:21 PM] Shiloh: You might see the human minded arrogance etc in this. And it is not restricted to so called laymen, but is deeply ingrained in the theologians and the historians and experts as well
[4:12:25 PM] Sirius 17: lol
[4:12:25 PM] Sirius 17: lol
[4:12:58 PM] Sirius 17:

F. F. Bruce writes: "The point of this seems to be that a lion, if eaten by a man, is ennobled by rising in the scale of being, whereas a man, if eaten by a lion, is degraded to a lower status than was originally his and may even risk missing the goal of immortality. It is not that we become what we eat but that what we eat becomes part of us (as in Walter de la Mare's poem 'Little Miss T-'). Whether, in addition, there is any special symbolism in the lion, as in 1 Peter 5.8 ('Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour'), is exceedingly difficult to determine." (Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, p.

[4:13:22 PM] Sirius 17: don't get eaten by Lions
[4:14:04 PM] Sirius 17: don't they know who the Lion of Judah is?
[4:14:16 PM] Sirius 17: yes these interpretations are pathetic
[4:15:11 PM] Sirius 17:

Funk and Hoover continue: "The lion was also used to symbolize human passions. Consuming the lion or being eaten by the lion may therefore have had to do with the relation to one's passions. Understood this way, the saying embodies an ascetic motif. At any rate, Jesus, who was reputed to be a glutton and a drunkard, probably did not coin this saying." (The Five Gospels, p. 477)

[4:15:15 PM] Sirius 17: they get worse lol
[4:17:28 PM] Shiloh: Yes, why I directed rax to this site. Now people who would like to really KNOW about the GOT finish up with those 'experts' and of course will gain little insight from such nonsense
[4:18:34 PM] Shiloh: Wikipedia is not much better, as it too is 'controled' by biased editors and often secular and anti-Christian hierarchies
[4:19:25 PM] Shiloh: BUT, you can be assured, that the real echeloners (ptb) knows a lot about the GOT and takes it very very serious, as they know of its origins
[4:20:15 PM] Shiloh: The relative obscurity in the public discourses is intentionally fostered and deeper analysis is suppressed and ridiculed as some 'gnostic document of 150AD'.
[4:20:35 PM] Sirius 17: I guess they didn't read revelations lol
[4:20:41 PM] Sirius 17:

Revelation 5 - King James Version (KJV)

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

[4:21:23 PM] Sirius 17: [4:20 PM] Sirius 17:<<< 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

it is pretty obvious who this Lion of Judah of the root of David is
[4:22:30 PM] Sirius 17: well to anyone with half a brain
[4:22:36 PM] Sirius 17: willing to look a few things up
[4:23:14 PM] Sirius 17: you don't have to be a scholar to find this stuff in other words rax
[4:23:41 PM] Sirius 17: because from what Tony shared, it is obvious that even the so called scholars are not able to find it lol

(7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

[4:27:06 PM] Sirius 17: so now with a little deductive and informed 'nous' you can now figure this out
[4:27:36 PM] Sirius 17: of course if you apply these too
[4:28:19 PM] Sirius 17:

108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

[4:28:23 PM] Sirius 17: this gives you a hint

[4:29:03 PM] Sirius 17:

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

[4:29:05 PM] Sirius 17: and this one too
[4:29:48 PM] Shiloh:

Luke 22:18-20 - King James Version (KJV)

18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

[4:29:48 PM] Sirius 17: [4:28 PM] Sirius 17: <<< when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye,
[4:30:15 PM] Sirius 17: oh yes good ones
[4:30:23 PM] Shiloh: 'Eating the Body of the true Christ' is the 'eating of the Lion'
[4:30:59 PM] Shiloh: Yet this simple truth is suppressed and linked to religious nonsense or even cannibalism
[4:31:39 PM] Shiloh: The GOT clears all those misunderstandings up, if you have eyes to see and ears to hear
[4:31:59 PM] Sirius 17: religious nonsense being the eating of wafers and drinking wine during mass ect
[4:32:51 PM] Shiloh: The male-female thing of GOT(22) has a VERY mysterious passage in mark, which I have not hitherto addressed
[4:34:04 PM] Shiloh:

Mark 14:49-53 - King James Version (KJV)

49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.

50 And they all forsook him, and fled.

51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

53 And they led Jesus away to the high priest: and with him were assembled all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes.

[4:34:24 PM] Shiloh: And also in John.21
[4:35:17 PM] Sirius 17: hmm yes I have never seen this one before
[4:35:37 PM] Shiloh:

John 21:6-11 - King James Version (KJV)

6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.

8 And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.

9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.

10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

[4:36:20 PM] Shiloh: This 'nakedness' is often linked to a Nag Hammadi text of the 'Secret Book of Mark' and is used by some to claim Jesus was gay
[4:36:56 PM] Shiloh: Only the GOT will allow you to connect some codes here in their proper contexts
[4:37:48 PM] Sirius 17: [4:35 PM] Shiloh: <<< 7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.

ohh
[4:37:50 PM] Shiloh: AGAPE is often used as the 'non sexual' LOVE, which Jesus talks about, with EROS being the sexual LOVE
[4:38:11 PM] Shiloh: Yes very controversial words indeed
[4:38:58 PM] Sirius 17: retards
[4:39:03 PM] Shiloh: So the 'experts' often squabble over what the 'secret initiations' Jesus engaged with the apostles and this 'young naked man' of Mark 14, might be
[4:40:30 PM] Shiloh: But GOT(22) shows you the 'cosmic bisexuality' as the 'healing' of the homosexuality physical not as some physical abomination as per the Allah-Jehovah idiocy, but as the mental blending of the male and the female in the cosmic twinship
[4:40:55 PM] Sirius 17: well the young man was peter of course
[4:41:29 PM] Shiloh: So the claim of the homosexual community to portray Jesus as gay is as half sided, as rendering Jesus to be anti-gay and celibate and asexually 'pure' etc
[4:42:00 PM] Sirius 17: very interesting
[4:42:07 PM] Shiloh: I dont think so Juju
[4:42:43 PM] Shiloh: It was a young men who was indeed 'in love' with Jesus and was distraught by his arrest
[4:42:51 PM] Sirius 17: you don't think these passages in Mark and John are interesting?
[4:43:00 PM] Sirius 17: oh that, sorry
[4:43:21 PM] Shiloh: Peter was not a young man in 31AD
[4:43:39 PM] Sirius 17: I know but that is what came to me
[4:43:49 PM] Shiloh: John was the youngest of the apostles and it could have been John
[4:44:17 PM] Sirius 17: yes I honestly don't know these details, how old they were ect
[4:44:23 PM] Sirius 17: these are things you have studied
[4:44:31 PM] Sirius 17: I have not
[4:45:34 PM] raxnae: what is the root of the truth that you speak of
[4:45:39 PM] Shiloh: BUT Jesus 'initiations' were not what people think of as say sexual interactions between gay men. It was the sharing of the erotic nature of the cosmic Eros as not being the same as the Agape of the nonsexual
[4:46:18 PM] Shiloh: Remembrance, just as stated at the 'Last Supper' and not a derivative of 'human thinking'
[4:47:05 PM] Shiloh: You either KNOW as gnostic insight or you dont
[4:47:19 PM] Shiloh: The problem then is to put this nous into words
[4:48:38 PM] Shiloh: GOT(13) as the 3 secrets see? Also harmonises the maleness with the femaleness
[4:48:56 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[4:57:07 PM] Shiloh:

Lacunae and continuity

The two excerpts suggest resolutions to some puzzling passages in the canonical Mark.

The young man in the linen cloth

In Mark 14:51-52, a young man in a linen cloth is seized during Jesus' arrest, but he escapes at the cost of his clothing. This passage seems to have little to do with the rest of the narrative, and it has given cause to various interpretations. Often it is suggested that the young man is Mark himself. Some commentators believe that the boy was a stranger, who lived near the garden and, after being awakened, ran out, half-dressed, to see what all the noise was about (vv. 46-49).[46] W. L. Lane thinks that Mark mentioned this episode in order to make it clear that "all (not only the disciples) fled, leaving Jesus alone in the custody of the police."[47]

The same Greek word neaniskos (young man) is used in both Secret Mark and at Mark 14:51. If we accept Helmut Koester's theory that the canonical Mark is a revision of Secret Mark,[48] another explanation is possible: namely, that the ancient editor who deleted an earlier encounter of Jesus with such a young man in a cloth, then added this incident also involving a young man during Jesus' arrest.

There is another occurrence of neaniskos in Mark, this time as a youth dressed in white at the tomb of Jesus (Mark 16:5). For this particular passage, there are also parallel passages in both Matthew and Luke, but neither of the other Synoptic Gospels use the word neaniskos. (In Matthew 28:2 it is "an angel of the Lord" dressed in white that appears and, in Luke 24:4, there are two "men" (Greek: andres)). Thus, it is also possible that all three of these occurrences of neaniskos in Mark and in Secret Mark are somehow related. The proponents of Secret Mark as a forgery, on the other hand, suggest that Secret Mark was created based on Mark 14:51 and 16:5.

Morton Smith indicates that in Clement's letter, the presentation of the young man in the linen cloth has homoerotic connotations. Following Mark 10:34, Clement writes in his letter, the story of Jesus raising the young man from the dead, who then loves Jesus and begs to stay with him. After six days, the young man comes to Jesus in the evening, clothed in nothing but a linen garment, and spends the night, during which time Jesus teaches him the mystery of the Kingdom of God.[49]

The authenticity of this passage has been called into question on the basis of biographical details about Morton Smith. Some speculate that the homoerotic overtones were included by Smith because he himself was a homosexual. Although this speculation may not be relevant, Smith's reluctance or inability to present the original document of Clement's letter for inspection has left room for forgery accusations. He made photographs of the document available, but that has not convinced many skeptics.[49]

[4:57:17 PM] Shiloh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Gospel_of_Mark
[5:02:54 PM] raxnae: I can see why the GOT makes this a lot clearer
[5:04:42 PM] Shiloh:

The Secret Gospel of Mark

I find the Secret Gospel of Mark fascinating. Copied by a scribe in the 18th century from an earlier (how early we don't know) copy, there has been a great deal of controversy among scholars regarding its authenticity. I believe the Clementine letter is authentic for reasons of style. There can be no justifiable suspicion of Morton Smith's integrity and I give no airing time to claims that Professor Smith forged the document..period!

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Beginning of three-page handwritten addition penned into the endpapers of a printed book, Isaac Voss' 1646 edition of the Epistolae genuinae S. Ignatii Martyris. The addition is in 18th century Greek minuscule copying a letter of Clement of Alexandria "to Theodore" concerning a dispute with the Carpocratians, an heterodox Christian sect. It was discovered by Morton Smith in 1958 when he, as a graduate student of Columbia University, was cataloguing the manuscript collection of the Mar Saba Monastery south of Jerusalem.


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Translation of Andrew Bernhard (his website listed below)

01 From the letters of the most holy Clement of the Stomateis. To Theodore:

02 You did well silencing the unspeakable teachings of the Carpocratians.
03 For they are the prophesied wandering stars. From the narrow road of the commandments
04 they are wandering into a boundless abyss of carnal and bodily sins.
05 For having been puffed up in knowledge - as they call it - of the depths of Satan, they fail to notice
06 that they are throwing themselves down into the darkness of dark lies. And having boasted
07 that they are free, they have become slaves of servile desires. With these people, then, it is
08 necessary to check them constantly and in everything. For even if they say something true, still
09 the lover of the truth should not agree with them. For not all true things are truth.
10 One must not value what human opinion considers truth more than the
11 true truth, which is recognized through faith. Now, concerning their babblings about the divinely
12 inspired Gospel according to Mark: some are wholly false while others, even if partly true,
13 are still not completely true. The true parts, because they have been mixed
14 with invented stories are debased so that, as the saying goes, even the
15 salt loses its flavor. As for Mark then, during the time when Peter was in Rome,
16 he wrote up the deeds of the Lord, not actually recording everything, nor
17 hinting at the mysteries, but instead picking out the things he thought would
18 increase the faith of those being taught. Then, when Peter was martyred, Mark went
19 to Alexandria, bringing both his knowledge and the things he remembered hearing from Peter.
20 From what he brought, he supplemented his first book with the appropriate items
21 about knowledge for those who are making progress. He arranged a more spiritual
22 gospel for the use of those being perfected. Nevertheless, he did not reveal the things
23 which are not to be discussed. He did not write out the hierophantic instruction of the
24 Lord, but added other deeds to the ones he had already written. Then, he
25 added certain sayings, the interpretation of which he knew would initiate the hearers
26 into the innermost sanctuary of the truth which has been hidden seven times. This is the way
27 he prepared them, in my opinion, not ungrudgingly or unguardedly. And
28 when he died, he left his writing to the church in

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01 Alexandria, where it is even now still extremely carefully guarded, being read
02 only to those who have been initiated into the greatest mysteries. The miserable
03 demons, however, are always devising destruction for the human race.
04 After being taught by them and using their deceptive arts, Carpocrates
05 was able to enslave some elder from the church in Alexandria
06 and get the written part of the secret gospel from him. And he
07 interpreted it according to his blasphemous and carnal opinion. Still
08 he defiles it, mixing with the most undefiled and holy narratives the most
09 shameless lies. The teaching of the Carpocratians is derived from this mixture.
10 Therefore, one must never yield to them, just as I said before. Also, one must not concede
11 to them that the secret gospel is from Mark, when they put forth their lies.
12 Rather one must deny it, even with an oath. For one does not have to speak
13 the whole truth to everyone. For this reason the wisdom of God declares through Solomon,
14 "Answer the fool from his folly," teaching that, from people whose minds are blinded,
15 the light of the truth must be concealed. At once, she (Wisdom)
16 says, "From the one who has not, it will be taken," and, "Let the fool go in darkness."
17 But we are the children of light, who have been illuminated in the rising of the heights of the
18 spirit of the Lord. "Where the spirit of the Lord is," she says, "there is freedom." For all
19 things are pure to those who are pure. So I will not hesitate to answer the questions for you,
20 exposing their lies from the actual words of the gospel.
21 At any rate, after the part, "They were going up on the road to Jerusalem" and the following things
22 until, "after three days he will arise," it takes up according to the text:
23 "And they went to Bethany and there was a woman whose brother had died.
24 And coming up to him, she prostrated herself before Jesus and said to him, 'Son of David,
25 have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And becoming angry,
26 Jesus went with her to the garden where the tomb was. And

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01 immediately a great sound was
heard from the tomb, and Jesus, going toward it
02 rolled away the stone from the entrance to the tomb. And going in immediately where
03 the young man was, he stretched out a hand and raised him up, holding
04 his hand. Then, the man looked at him and loved him and
05 he began to call him to his side, that he might be with him. And going from
06 the tomb, they went to the house of the young man. For he was rich. And after
07 six days, Jesus instructed him. And when it was late, the young man went
08 to him. He had put a linen around his naked body, and
09 he remained with him through that night. For Jesus taught him
10 the mystery of the kingdom of God. After he got up from there,
11 he turned to the region of the Jordan." And after these things, this follows:
12 "James and John go to him," and that whole section.
13 But the "naked man with naked man" and the other things you wrote about are
14 not found. After, "and he goes to Jericho," it adds only, "And the
15 brother of the young man whom Jesus loved was there, as well as
16 his mother and Salome. And Jesus did not welcome them."
17 But the many other things which you wrote both seem, and are, most false. So,
18 the truth according to the right interpretation. . .



Where did this letter come from? I believe that a monk at Mar Saba noticed that the original, a very ancient copy, or perhaps even the autograph, was so deteriorated that the manuscript was in danger of being lost forever. He transcribed the ancient text in a hurried, cursive minuscule script on the last three fly leaves of the 1646 volume with the intention to recopy it later in a more elegant hand. Perhaps he followed through with this plan and his copied manuscript has since been lost. Perhaps he never got the opportunity to to recopy the manuscript and all that was left for Morton Smith to discover was his "rough draft" of the original. If the monk worked so hurriedly to preserve an ancient manuscript of this..

[5:04:52 PM] Shiloh: http://www.historian.net/secmark.htm
[5:06:56 PM] Shiloh:

01 immediately a great sound was heard from the tomb, and Jesus, going toward it
02 rolled away the stone from the entrance to the tomb. And going in immediately where
03 the young man was, he stretched out a hand and raised him up, holding
04 his hand. Then, the man looked at him and loved him and
05 he began to call him to his side, that he might be with him. And going from
06 the tomb, they went to the house of the young man. For he was rich. And after
07 six days, Jesus instructed him. And when it was late, the young man went
08 to him. He had put a linen around his naked body, and
09 he remained with him through that night. For Jesus taught him
10 the mystery of the kingdom of God. After he got up from there,
11 he turned to the region of the Jordan." And after these things, this follows:
12 "James and John go to him," and that whole section.
13 But the "naked man with naked man" and the other things you wrote about are
14 not found. After, "and he goes to Jericho," it adds only, "And the
15 brother of the young man whom Jesus loved was there, as well as
16 his mother and Salome. And Jesus did not welcome them."
17 But the many other things which you wrote both seem, and are, most false. So,
18 the truth according to the right interpretation. . .

[5:07:17 PM] Shiloh: This then is the 'controversial' part of this letter/secret gospel
[5:08:10 PM] Shiloh: But one can see how it relates to the canonical mark and also many other archetypes of the 'angels in white linen' etc and also the 'Bride of the Lamb' in revelation.19
[5:09:17 PM] Shiloh:

Revelation 19:7-9 - King James Version (KJV)

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

[5:10:20 PM] Shiloh: As you can see, the REAL Jesus is VERY different from some virginal superhuman heavenly character
[5:11:59 PM] Shiloh: And rather different and apart from conventional religious labels and definitions. The true Jesus is sexually superaware in the cosmic sense. Why he says, that the 'children worthy of the resurrection' do NOT marry in heaven, but are as free as the angels
[5:12:45 PM] Shiloh: Nabsers and morons of divers kinds, then read this as some asexual Nirvana heaven where the 'desires' of the cosmos sexual are absent
[5:13:19 PM] raxnae: sexual desire is a major part of the foundation
[5:13:31 PM] raxnae: it is one of the most primal forces around
[5:14:01 PM] raxnae: but it isn't as shallow as the human mindedness percieves it to be
[5:15:17 PM] Shiloh: Exactly, it represents the primal energy source and cosmic impulse
[5:19:35 PM] raxnae: I imagine the real Jesus would have blown their minds lol
[5:19:55 PM] Sirius 17: so do you feel this secret gospel of Mark to be genuine Tony?
[5:19:57 PM] raxnae: and that not everyone would be receptive of such knowledge
[5:20:38 PM] Sirius 17: because of the mention of the naked young man in Mark itself?
[5:20:45 PM] Sirius 17: I see how it ties in
[5:22:53 PM] Shiloh: Mostly yes, it is genuine. But of course you have the Xtian do-gooders who cannot perceive of Jesus as a normal human male with sexual desires, albeit possessing cosmic understandings about it
[5:24:07 PM] Sirius 17: if so they sure left out a lot of stuff in Mark lol
[5:24:49 PM] Sirius 17: it makes sense though from reading through this wiki and comparing Mark and John
[5:25:01 PM] Shiloh: The true sexual initiation is the cosmic nous about the primal energies of creation and the 'nature of Abba and Baab'; more so than any human moralisings about sexuality and so on
[5:25:18 PM] Sirius 17: they watered it down and left out good stuff yes
[5:25:46 PM] Shiloh: Yes, actual unbiased research is required to 'overcome' the stigmatizations and the cultural brainwashings
[5:25:49 PM] Sirius 17: imagine how different things would be had they left it in
[5:26:15 PM] raxnae: i know right
[5:26:53 PM] Shiloh: Of course and the difference between Agape and Eros is fundamental and NOT perceiving this difference is this moralising monogamy and related cultural standardisations, resulting in an obnoxious possessiveness and jealousy
[5:27:17 PM] raxnae: When I had my true experience I got a massive download of the cosmic sexuality understanding
[5:27:19 PM] Sirius 17: yes in the greek they are very different
[5:27:36 PM] Sirius 17: well distinct anyhow
[5:27:42 PM] Shiloh: It is unnatural to be physically 'married'. It is cosmically natural and lawful to be mentally 'married' in entwinement and in fidelity however in a genuine 'alchemical wedding' or dragonomy
[5:29:44 PM] Shiloh: Those criteria were the 'initiations' of the Cosmic LOVE being freer than the Human Love
[5:30:22 PM] Shiloh: Mental Love infers a wave nature and so the 'marriage' is naturally all encompassing
[5:30:48 PM] raxnae: did mel tell you about what we experienced? I'm sure she did lol
[5:31:10 PM] Shiloh: Physical Love is body centred and so should be like a 'change of attire' or location or food etc. It is particular and subject to change, taste and variety
[5:32:21 PM] Shiloh: But the mental entwinement is inviolable, because waves are everywhere at all times in say quantum macro-micro entanglement. This is the 'shall be one flesh undivided' in the Pauline descriptions of the cosmic and not human ideas of 'marriage'
Mel is a cosmically sexy honeybee and so is more selfaware, than most in this regard, yes

 

from: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t74...an-armageddon-conspiracy-of-a-new-world-order

is there a thread for this on the new site ???

 

Looks like we are discussing this on this thread here on the new site:

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