How Many Different Souls Have Come To Earth, Like Jesus ? The Infinite Soul Manifestations

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 14, 2009 at 1:24pm
In late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following:

Because of the upcoming themed BlogTalkRadio session on Transcendental and Infinite Souls, I'd like some information about prehistorical TS & IS. For example, Ra is listed as an IS and was a long term "sun god" for Egypt -- but what did he actually do that made him a legendary/mythological figure of reknown?

In terms of prehistorical Infinite Souls and Transcendental Souls, there are only mythologies from which to draw references, as those who actually acted as Manifestations were only "recorded" in tales and stories for thousands and thousands of years.
The reference to "Ra" would be one of those, having actually manifested approximately 6000 BCE, about 3000 years previous to the culmination of the cults who began to implement formal worship and recording. The original manifestation was focused on the transformation of fear regarding nature and the sky, in particular the Sun, into a means of abundance and resource.
Even this reference as a mythological god is one of many "incarnations" of how this Manifestation actually occurred. The stories and myths became embellished over history as a means to tell the story of those telling the story, not of the history, itself.
Once that flexible template is in place, any Entity or Cadre can "play" the role for any group or individual as a means to teach, giving rise to a multitude of variations.
Are you saying that these TS & IS manifestations aren't part of the Akashic Records?
No, we are not. We are saying that it is complicated to give you a response with any tangible reference beyond what you have as a reference. For instance, we can tell you that in 4,000,000 BCE Ti'AT manifested the Infinite Soul as a means to bring the Logos regarding nomadal navigation, but the only reference to this in your perspective might be a few of the "alien" etchings of later cultures.
What we can do is share with you how many, when, and why.
And upon elaboration, possibly tie them to tangible references in your recorded history.
fair enough -- I'm mentally dealing with the length of time culture and incarnational cycles have been part of earth
in the future -- I'll research, stabilize questions and ask more
The fragment known as Ti'AT was not a fictional example, by the way.
I'm not familiar with Ti`AT
We know.
no one is, I suppose
That was the first Manifestation.
and which peoples did it appear to?
The Lemurian lighter bodies or humans?
We have been answering your questions regarding the Manifestations within the context of the human species.
ok -- and the Lemurians and the silicone-based peoples would have had their own?
Yes, that is correct.

The list of human Infinite Soul Manifestations would be:

With approximate time frames -
Ti'AT (female - 4,000,000 BCE),
Khro'Te (male child - 2,000,000 BCE),
Ker (female - 1,000,000 BCE),
Sonad, Kin, Serep (brothers - 700,000 BCE),
Tinet, TenTen, Tia (sisters - 500,000 BCE),
Shia (female - 150,000 BCE),
Kendre (female - 75,000 BCE),
"Ra" (male - 6,000 BCE),
"Krishna" (6,000 BCE)
"Lilith" (female - 4,000 BCE),
Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE), [corrected from 400 BCE]
"Buddha" (male - 500 BCE),
"Christ" (male - 5 BCE).

We think we have covered them. This was not an easy task for our channel.
Many of the names are phonetic and rather insignificant in terms of references for you.
So, Lilith was an IS, not a TS?
through Michael Toth, she was given as a TS at about 10,000 BCE
CORRECTION: Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE)
ok -- that makes more sense than two IS in the same year
although that would make Lilith and him simultaneous
In regard to "Lilith," this would also be correct. A Transcendental Soul manifested in a way that then became a thread that the Infinite Soul used for Manifestation.
Yes, there are often more than one Manifestation.
and which IS used it?
In what way do you mean "which IS used it?" We know of only One that manifests as Many.
which name and time frame is what I meant
In regard to "Lilith?"
yes -- since a TS precedes the manifestation of an IS
We are unclear as to what you are asking, but we will try to respond with clarification:
The mythology of "Lilith" includes two past peaks, one in which a Transcendental Soul manifested, and one in which the Infinite Soul manifested.
I'm likely unclear myself . . .what I'm trying to do today is pin down a series of events that have been mysterious
The more recent Manifestation is the more relevant of what has come to be the myth of "Lilith."
Her name and lore was really trashed after that manifestation
Most Manifestations do not take long to be "trashed." We refer to the Manifestation through Christ as a most-recent example.
well, that became a religion at least . . .rather than becoming a demon
There is much truth in the cliche that the gods of the past religion becomes the devil of the new. That is often the case, particularly when it involves Baby Souls.

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on December 14, 2009 at 6:51pm
Thank you, Geraldine, for posting this and thanks to Troy for channeling it. This is fascinating stuff.

It's interesting that as the soul age of the globe gets older, the less time between manifestations. Perhaps Infant souls, with their instinctive connection to the Tao, need less "bringing the Logos to bear" than Baby, Young and (sooner rather than later) Mature souls.

I've also heard that Akhenaten (or Amenhotep IV) of Egypt (King Tut's probable father) was also the manifestation of the TS, but obviously pretty unsuccessful in the long run. The effect was one generation only and after the priests took over, any social change made was eliminated during Tut's reign.

According to Wiki: "He is especially noted for abandoning traditional Egyptian polytheism and introducing worship centered on the Aten, which is sometimes described as monotheistic; but henotheism would be a more accurate description, since he ranked the Aten above other gods but did not deny their existence. Indeed, an early inscription likens them to stars as compared with the sun, and later official language avoids calling the Aten a god, as if to create for the solar deity a status above mere gods."

Also Wiki: "Aten (or Aton) was the disk of the sun in ancient Egyptian mythology, and originally an aspect of Ra."

So Akhenaten was picking up on something. Maybe like Mohammad, who recognized prophets.

AnnH

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 14, 2009 at 7:20pm
Naturally, anytime one delves more deeply into prehistory, the more every answer raises more questions. But, my intention to locate all of the ISs of nonrecorded time or prehistory certainly got a more intriguing answer than I expected -- and reached much further back in time. Elsewhere in the session, population numbers were also discussed. And, one reason for the vast gaps in time is how slow population growth and development was. It's also one reason that those of us in the 1st and 2nd Cadre who are part of the initial transfer from Sirius have been around for 6 million years without cycling off. A low population included long breaks between incarnations, too.

I'm not sure I "believe" in ISs or even TSs. It seems to run smack up against the "All is choice" mantra. But, I can also say that it's quite likely that I don't understand the purpose of what an IS is or what "bringing the Logos to bear" even means. I've not asked my last question on the topic, though.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 14, 2009 at 7:42pm
I don't subscribe to most of the alternative new agey types of channeling or beliefs that are so prevalent online and most of them are rarely validated by Michael when he is asked directly. A recent channeling done by Michael Toth, "Consciousness Shift," pretty well sums it up for me. You might read that as it really does encompass most of what Michael has said in the past.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 14, 2009 at 9:50pm
According to Michael, an IS is a manifestation of an entire cycled-off Cadre; while a TS is a manifestation of a cycled-off Entity. So, according to this C1E5, unless it is cycled off, cannot be even a TS. And, we know that the entire C1 hasn't cycled off yet.

SUSAN said:

Ann H said:

Allan, there has been much conflicting info on the essence role that is replaced by the Infinite Soul (IS). Some say, for example, that the Buddha essence was a 7th Old Priest.

This may be one of those things we're not going to get agreement on in the Michael Community. We can't validate it, unfortunately.​

IF THEY GOT C1E5 - FOR BUDDHA

i could share something, very interesting with all of you !!!​

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 14, 2009 at 11:38pm
Geraldine B said:

In late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following:
[snipped]​

Oh... goodness, I think I will repost an edited version of this. This all ran together into a mess. I started laughing at points where I thought it was Michael still speaking, but it was you, Geraldine, interjecting. LOL

troy

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 14, 2009 at 11:40pm
Thanks -- it wasn't until after I posted it that I realized that the greater than/less than signs wouldn't post -- and I didn't think quickly enough to edit it within the 15 mins.

Troy Tolley said:

Geraldine B said:

In late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following:
[snipped]​

Oh... goodness, I think I will repost an edited version of this. This all ran together into a mess. I started laughing at points where I thought it was Michael still speaking, but it was you, Geraldine, interjecting. LOL

troy​

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 14, 2009 at 11:49pm
Geraldine B said:

I'm not sure I "believe" in ISs or even TSs. It seems to run smack up against the "All is choice" mantra. But, I can also say that it's quite likely that I don't understand the purpose of what an IS is or what "bringing the Logos to bear" even means. I've not asked my last question on the topic, though.​

Geraldine, I understand the Infinite Soul as being no different from any other opportunity for learning, except that it comes straight from "the source." And I don't see any conflict with Choice, because clearly, more often than not, most don't listen or learn even from such a direct source.

The IS manifests when we are pretty much headed toward a profound direction of extinction, and they offer up just enough information and teaching to keep enough of us from going over that cliff we were running toward. It's a gamble, but it's a safe bet that some will learn enough to teach others, and so on... but many will still go over that cliff.

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on December 14, 2009 at 11:50pm
SUSAN said:

some say buddha, is a 7th level old priest , NOT an iS or TS
and, if he is reunited already with c1e5 - then, he is part of the cycled off group​

I am in Cadre 1, Entity 5, so it's pretty clear that E5 hasn't cycled off

AnnH

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 15, 2009 at 12:05am
You don't understand -- But, just like Michael is named after the LAST essence who cycled off, the Entity couldn't do a full join and then move onwards to the Causal from the Astral until they were 100% reunited as a full unit. Once reunited as a complete entity, part of their teaching is to manifest as a TS (which they have done in various parallels of ours).

But, until all essences have cycled off, while an entity can begin uniting and performing teaching, they are not ready to be either on the Causal nor to be a TS. Many of the essences who have cycled off do teach or guide--in fact, this would have been when Michael was playing a "role" of being Ra to the priests of the temples and/or the Delphi Oracle. They were not 100% cycled off, but still performing a teaching function.

It is possible that one of your guides has adopted a template or a role of Buddha as a teaching exercise for you. But, it is not the Buddha.


SUSAN said:

some of your cadre/entity mates have completed their journeys,
haven't they ???

there might be some, that have already done their 7 levels​

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 15, 2009 at 12:15am
Ok, Troy -- I'll give you that. As we were told in the same session, Ker came into being to help bring humans back from the brink of extinction after that global epidemic. And, the entire reason there was so much discussion during the 70s and 80s about an impending IS manifestation was due to the brink of nuclear disaster that we were hovering on. So, in the parallel where nuclear war happened in 1985, did the IS manifest but was unable to prevent it?

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on December 15, 2009 at 12:17am
SUSAN said:

since 7th level souls are NOT as energetic as sixth levels

do you think, they might select fragments

of the 6th level ???

ie; perhaps, that is where the phrase "magnetic old king" comes from

however, my interuption of a 'magnetic' old
would apply to a fragment, who has transcended their role
and, lives from essence
and, has completely merged with essence
and, thus, they would in fact, be expressing their role through essence
so, that would apply to 'king' casted 'fragments'
NOT king roles, unless it was a king casted king


so perhaps, magnetic old king, could apply
to those fragments, who are king casted sage/scholar/warrior/slave/artisan/warrior/king

and,or, to the king mastery block/or, more specifically the king mastery row

div>​

Read MFM. A Magnetic Old King is a King Role in Essence, not King-cast. Casting is your position in your Cadence, not your role. Very different energy and purpose. From my reading, it appears it takes many lifetimes in the 6th level for the MOK to draw its kingdom together (Troy, correct me if I'm wrong) or to manifest as an MOK. I don't know if every King essence chooses to become an MOK during the 6th Old level.

There seems to be some discrepancy among channels about the Role in Essence of the various IS's. Some say that Jesus was a 7th King, Buddha a Priest, etc., when the IS manifested. Others, such as the channels in MFM, say that all the IS's manifest in King Essences, TS's in Priest Essences only.
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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 15, 2009 at 12:26am
No. The actual phrase that is repeatedly used is "your role in essence." The role in essence exists before casting and after cycling off. Casting is your placement within the Entity. Once the entity fully reunites because all of its essences have cycled off, the casting ceases to matter. Essence is more than the role, and doesn't go through soul level development as such -- it's the role in essence that does. But, while role matters less as evolution continues upwards, Michael continues to speak of being composed of Warriors and Kings -- never mentions what casting they held.

SUSAN said:

I THINK, ANN, you miss my point

apparently there is more, than just 'magnetic' old kings

and, when you get to the end, if you have 'king' casting - that is what you have in essence

your role on earth - is your role

what you are in essence - is NOT your role on earth

i think Troy, cleared this up, once before​

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on December 15, 2009 at 12:34am
I don't understand your point then. "Role in Essence" is what a fragment's role (Artisan, Warrior, etc) was originally called in the first Michael books. There's "role (in essence)" and "casting." And yes, I get the point that once we cycle off, what's left is casting.

I am the fourth-cast Sage in my Sage Cadence which is part of my entity. (I forget my cadence number)

My "Role in Essence" is Sage. It is a part of my earth role.

Magnetic Old Kings are incarnate single fragments. MOK's can have different casting, but they're still King role (in Essence). They have not cycled off.

It appears there's a difference in terminology.

AnnH

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on December 15, 2009 at 12:42am
Geraldine B said:

(snipped) Once the entity fully reunites because all of its essences have cycled off, the casting ceases to matter. Essence is more than the role, and doesn't go through soul level development as such -- it's the role in essence that does. But, while role matters less as evolution continues upwards, Michael continues to speak of being composed of Warriors and Kings -- never mentions what casting they held.​

This makes more sense, Geraldine. Thanks!
AnnH

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 15, 2009 at 1:17am
Ann H said:

Read MFM. A Magnetic Old King is a King Role in Essence, not King-cast. Casting is your position in your Cadence, not your role. Very different energy and purpose. From my reading, it appears it takes many lifetimes in the 6th level for the MOK to draw its kingdom together (Troy, correct me if I'm wrong) or to manifest as an MOK. I don't know if every King essence chooses to become an MOK during the 6th Old level. There seems to be some discrepancy among channels about the Role in Essence of the various IS's. Some say that Jesus was a 7th King, Buddha a Priest, etc., when the IS manifested. Others, such as the channels in MFM, say that all the IS's manifest in King Essences, TS's in Priest Essences only.

AnnH​

Hey Ann...

Yeah, the original books have their limitations in the information that were necessary at the time, or were just limitations on the understanding of the channel at the time, and so on... and have since been built upon.

All of the Roles can be Magnetic, and each has their way of manifesting (Kings have their Kingdoms; Sages have their Audience; Servers have their Families; etc) What makes one fragment Magnetic over another seems to be an individual choice, no different than the designing of any Personality or Lifetime, but maybe Michael's mentioned some math involved; I can't remember now. Only 6th Level Old Roles are Magnetic, and this can take many lives across 6th Level to build up the responses to, and the point of, that Magnetism.

The Infinite and Transcendental can manifest through any Essence Role, but I think for practical reasons, those Roles are often King or Priest Cast.

The original channeling was very strict about the limitations of certain numbers or roles being able to do certain things, but I think this was reflective of the nature that we've all come to recognize as synonymous with the Yarbro Group. Similar, permanent restrictions were put on who could channel, as well, and I think this served the territorialism that has become so pronounced over the years.

Those strange limitations and strict restrictions were directly contradicting the overall vastness of flexibility and creativity that the rest of the teachings embodies, so I think it's safe to attribute it as part of the percentage of bias that is inherent in even the best of channeling.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 15, 2009 at 1:33am
Geraldine B said:

No. The actual phrase that is repeatedly used is "your role in essence." The role in essence exists before casting and after cycling off. Casting is your placement within the Entity. Once the entity fully reunites because all of its essences have cycled off, the casting ceases to matter. Essence is more than the role, and doesn't go through soul level development as such -- it's the role in essence that does. But, while role matters less as evolution continues upwards, Michael continues to speak of being composed of Warriors and Kings -- never mentions what casting they held.​

Whoosh! I can't wait to get my library up and running to help keep these confusing matters down.

Michael calls it "Role in Essence" because our Essence chooses a Role. Even though Essence and Role are interchangeable for convenience, Michael does differentiate for the point that "we" exist beyond the Role we play in a cycle of incarnations. Our Essence continues beyond our return to Tao, even after we've stripped all Role, Casting, Entity, etc. That's us at the deepest core of who we are.

Casting is actually a long string of numbers and is our "address" within the structure of our Entity, Cadre, Energy Ring, etc. The most relevant part of that address to us is our position within our Cadence, and our Role (which is part of Casting, itself).

Michael says that beyond the Causal Plane, our Role ceases to be of any significance individually, but that our Casting becomes the most significant. That's because Casting (in that sense) INCLUDES our Role.

Our Role is most relevant while we are fragmented, but once we are reunited in the Entity, our address within that structure is most relevant. That's also because once we are reunited, we're among a multitude of the same Role, so our Casting POSITION becomes more relevant than our Role.

Michael describes themselves in terms of Roles because that's something unique to an Entity, and relevant to us while we are here. An Entity might be made up of 1050 Scholars/Artisans, but the Casting is a repetition of 1 through 7, over and over and over again in a mathematical, beat-like system (cadences), so it makes sense to go with the overall flavor.

I hope that helps!

troy

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Permalink Reply by Ann H on December 15, 2009 at 1:45am
Troy Tolley said:

Hey Ann...

Yeah, the original books have their limitations in the information that were necessary at the time, or were just limitations on the understanding of the channel at the time, and so on... and have since been built upon.

All of the Roles can be Magnetic, and each has their way of manifesting (Kings have their Kingdoms; Sages have their Audience; Servers have their Families; etc) What makes one fragment Magnetic over another seems to be an individual choice, no different than the designing of any Personality or Lifetime, but maybe Michael's mentioned some math involved; I can't remember now. Only 6th Level Old Roles are Magnetic, and this can take many lives across 6th Level to build up the responses to, and the point of, that Magnetism.

The Infinite and Transcendental can manifest through any Essence Role, but I think for practical reasons, those Roles are often King or Priest Cast.

The original channeling was very strict about the limitations of certain numbers or roles being able to do certain things, but I think this was reflective of the nature that we've all come to recognize as synonymous with the Yarbro Group. Similar, permanent restrictions were put on who could channel, as well, and I think this served the territorialism that has become so pronounced over the years.

Those strange limitations and strict restrictions were directly contradicting the overall vastness of flexibility and creativity that the rest of the teachings embodies, so I think it's safe to attribute it as part of the percentage of bias that is inherent in even the best of channeling.​

My understanding was that Magnetic Old Kings have a more global role (pun not intended), since their job is to unite or call their "kingdoms" around them. If that's the MOK's job, what would a Magnetic Old Artisan's job be?

AnnH

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 15, 2009 at 1:53am
It helps a lot -- but if Casting is our position or location, does it continue to exercise a role-like influence, as it does to our "public" personality when incarnating.

This is new information to me: "Casting is actually a long string of numbers and is our "address" within the structure of our Entity, Cadre, Energy Ring, etc. The most relevant part of that address to us is our position within our Cadence, and our Role (which is part of Casting, itself)." Especially, when combined with the concepts of merging together -- I could use a bigger channeling on the topic.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 15, 2009 at 2:06am
Ann H said:

My understanding was that Magnetic Old Kings have a more global role (pun not intended), since their job is to unite or call their "kingdoms" around them. If that's the MOK's job, what would a Magnetic Old Artisan's job be? AnnH​

The Magnetic part refers to the fact that the fragment finally activates a long-standing wave of Agreements from among a large population of people who wanted to be a part of whatever that Magnetic fragment had hoped to leave as a teaching for the world, so for all of the Magnetic Roles, the effect could be global if those fragments involved are spread out. Once that Magnetism is activated, those who are a part of that dynamic will be activated, too, and that can mean different things. For a Magnetic King, the participation would be Action-oriented as part of a Kingdom, and for a Magnetic Artisan, the participation would be Expressive, or Creative as part of a Canvas.

I'll have to look for it, but there was a big piece I posted about this several years ago, and Michael gave a list of examples of Magnetic Roles throughout history.

The problem with recognizing them, in my opinion, is that we have such a fan-based culture these days, that any activation of a Magnetic Role would just blend in with any other kind of mass appeal. Metaphysically, there might be more going on, but it might be hard for us to tell the difference on the surface.

troy

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 15, 2009 at 2:19am
Geraldine B said:

Ok, Troy -- I'll give you that. As we were told in the same session, Ker came into being to help bring humans back from the brink of extinction after that global epidemic. And, the entire reason there was so much discussion during the 70s and 80s about an impending IS manifestation was due to the brink of nuclear disaster that we were hovering on. So, in the parallel where nuclear war happened in 1985, did the IS manifest but was unable to prevent it?​

If the threat would have meant extinction, I think it may have manifested across the various parallels, but the wars that were prompted in those parallels were already set up by those instigating the wars so that certain people would survive. Michael has gone on to say that those who were directly and indirectly responsible for those wars are karmically compelled to reincarnate and live through those consequences until the Earth is habitable again for a larger population. A lot of fragments abandoned those parallel lines upon the onset of destruction, and the population there probably won't ever get as big as it is here. For those who stuck it out, there's a loooong waiting list for bodies to become available.

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 15, 2009 at 2:28am
Geraldine B said:

It helps a lot -- but if Casting is our position or location, does it continue to exercise a role-like influence, as it does to our "public" personality when incarnating.

This is new information to me: "Casting is actually a long string of numbers and is our "address" within the structure of our Entity, Cadre, Energy Ring, etc. The most relevant part of that address to us is our position within our Cadence, and our Role (which is part of Casting, itself)." Especially, when combined with the concepts of merging together -- I could use a bigger channeling on the topic.​

Yeah, it does, but from the Casting Position, not the Role. So as I'm Server-Cast Sage, I'll be related to more as a Server than as a Sage, because within the Entity I'm going to be among a multitude of Sages and my Casting would stand out more.

Even in our lives now, our Casting shows up way more than our Role does. Our Role shows up when everything comes together so that we shine, or manifest our Essence, but we behave like our Casting on a regular, day-to-day level. Nothing unique has to be in place for our Casting to play out, but we tend to have to find ways for our Role to show up fully.

Our Casting is how we Function, and our Role is how we Shine.

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Permalink Reply by Bobby on December 15, 2009 at 11:23am
Troy, I would agree with this. When you first did my profile, I thought, hmmm, perhaps he got it backwards. Instead of being a Sage-cast Warrior, perhaps I'm a Warrior-cast Sage since the Sage part seems to show itself much more than the Warrior part, thank God!

I recently discussed this with Geraldine. In a virtual format, such as an online chat, you will definitely see my Sage'ness as Geraldine and others I imagine will be all too willing to attest to But in person, I think the Warrior aspects take over. I'm usually nowhere near as energetic in person as I am virtually. I suppose, some of that is just the Chief Features activating and taking over since in a virtual format I am not as exposed and vulnerable. I'd be interested in hearing what you think or have to say about how these two different aspects of Essence can be manifested this way. I've found it to be most amusing.

Troy Tolley said:
Even in our lives now, our Casting shows up way more than our Role does. Our Role shows up when everything comes together so that we shine, or manifest our Essence, but we behave like our Casting on a regular, day-to-day level. Nothing unique has to be in place for our Casting to play out, but we tend to have to find ways for our Role to show up fully.

Our Casting is how we Function, and our Role is how we Shine.

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Permalink Reply by Brian Taylor on December 15, 2009 at 5:52pm
How would a sixth level old scholar manifest as magnetic? What would a 'neutral' role do to be magnetic?
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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 16, 2009 at 12:09am
Brian said:

How would a sixth level old scholar manifest as magnetic? What would a 'neutral' role do to be magnetic?​

I'm still looking for the original article, but my guess is that one example might be that those activated by that Scholar might generate a network of fragments that contributes to the research and experimentation of a specific subject. Being "neutral" doesn't mean being without any substance or presence. It just means being the hub of the wheel.

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Permalink Reply by Bobby on December 16, 2009 at 10:39am
Does anyone besides me find these "templates" that Michael refers to that they and others use more than a little disturbing? I mean, basically, it seems like utilizing that perpetuates a lie. And God knows, what mankind has done with those templates in the name of religion. Just what is "taught" using those templates I would like to know a little more about. For instance, the Oracle at Delphi, what part of the Michael Teachings came through that? I'm left feeling as if I'm not being given the whole truth and that is disturbing to me if I am to be honest. I have this feeling of "ok, what else aren't you telling me"?

Just look what has become of the template Jehovah for crying out loud. How could anything beneficial use that? I think I would rather start from scratch than get mixed up with something like that if I were going to try to teach.

The current template that we use for Michael is pretty tame compared to others described. I mean, we know Michael was only one soul in his entity and yet we still refer to his entire recombined entity as "Michael". But this particular teaching isn't being wrapped around some other religious dogma as has been inferred like other templates have been.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

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Permalink Reply by TROY on December 16, 2009 at 11:27am
Bobby said:

Does anyone besides me find these "templates" that Michael refers to that they and others use more than a little disturbing? I mean, basically, it seems like utilizing that perpetuates a lie. And God knows, what mankind has done with those templates in the name of religion. Just what is "taught" using those templates I would like to know a little more about. For instance, the Oracle at Delphi, what part of the Michael Teachings came through that? I'm left feeling as if I'm not being given the whole truth and that is disturbing to me if I am to be honest. I have this feeling of "ok, what else aren't you telling me"?
[snipped] Anyone else have any thoughts on this?​

Bobby, I think this concept might be misunderstood, or it just hasn't been elaborated upon enough, so I hope this helps.

It's not that these templates are being exploited as a way for entities to teach behind a mask, but that these templates are created by people who can't see past their beliefs at the time and this colors and limits the entity they are working with. So when Michael says that they used the template of the Sun-god, it wasn't because they sought that out, but that it was imposed on them by the beliefs of the people at the time.

Michael has explained that in their early communication about 4600 BCE through those few who would open up to contact, their King and Warrior energy was picked up and they were seen as Sun or Earth gods. They didn't choose that template, but the culture of the time used it as their only medium for understanding contact beyond the Physical Plane. Actually, they were seen as sun-gods for about 1600 years, and even though the main interests were all about crop and human fertility, Michael did start getting some of their teachings through about an afterlife, reincarnation, healthy forms of justice, and how to deal with karma.

Michael describes it as a "template" because it gets created and then it's able to be passed around and used and altered and edited as it suits those using it. SOMETIMES an entity or cadre will use that template intentionally, but more often than not, it's just something that's imposed on the teacher. So Michael, along with many non-physical teachers, just go with what works.

Michael has also said that these templates are used by ourselves to justify our own actions and behaviors, so in a lot of these instances there isn't any entity or cadre involved at all. It's kind of like a collective Chief Negative Feature, or False Personality. So when Christians justify their belligerent hatred and harm by attributing it to "God's Will," that's a Christian "God" template that's literally empty of any support, but only used by the collective consciousness of those who subscribe to that template. But there is more than one Christian God template because some Christians believe in a compassionate, loving god, and some believe in a vengeful, angry god. God templates that are wrought with fear and negativity are nearly completely closed off from any way of receiving Cadre and Entity teachings, but there are usually some other version of the template they can use.

I hope this helps!

troy

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Permalink Reply by Christian on December 16, 2009 at 11:34am
When a tradesman begins to work on a project, there is a template and a plan. In the younger years, the plan is followed exactly with each thing in its place. Eventually with time and experience, a master carpenter can lay out where to cut and it will be right with out use of any template.

I would say think of it like the soul levels, (Infant, Baby, etc.) When I first stated with Micheal, like many I read Messeages from Micheal and kinda treated it like Word of God. However, as I matured in this life I began to explore more. It became apparent that the template laid out in the Yarboro books is just that. A template, a starting point. That is where the apprentice begins.

It becomes easy for those of us famillar with the Micheal material to refer back to the orginal template models, because they are familiar and easily understood. Do they cover everything no. But they provide a starting point.

Yes Micheal doesn't tell us somethings. This is usually because we haven't asked.

However, how you have the information provided. If Micheal is like the master carpenter, and we are the learning journeyman, then we need guidance to find the answer. Micheal could just tell us to cut here and here and go have coffee. He doesn't. He provides a template, a tool, and guides us to the answer. All provided we choose to do the work.

The information is there, all you need do is ask.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on December 16, 2009 at 2:48pm
Template is a fairly new term introduced by Michael during the past few months. The more I apply it in lieu of pattern, model, or paradigm, the more I am understanding not only its usefulness but just how much templates are human constructs. All of the imprinting or scripts we receive from birth to now are part of various templates. And some of these are fairly rigid constructs or sacred cows. I was fortunate to miss out on the J-C-M biblical template this time around, but it's still surprising how much of it has been incorporated into our entire social order and still must be examined layer by layer for overall applicability and validity.

I think the reason that I responded so quickly and easily to Michael is that the template of acceptance must form from within a rational and intellectual framework, rather than an adoption of some highly emotionally rendered image type of template. Translation: Michael doesn't foist highly smarmy "Oh Ye Celestial Lightworkers of a Loving Universe" type of crap onto us. And, as he notes in both the channeling and the checklist, there must be consistency across multiple channels. There is no such thing as new information that will be given out through only one especially enlightened or favorite channel--a chosen one--a Michael annointed guru.

I like the fact that Michael is virtually templateless, no trappings from all other attempts to understand the nature of the universe through some godlike image. No rituals. No discipline that sets Michael students apart from all others because of our "specialness." The so-called original group nearly foundered on the shoals of wanting to set up a religious-like cult, one patterned on the Gurdjieff template. They still struggle with ego issues of wanting to keep Michael all to themselves. Meanwhile, Michael keeps on talking to more and more channels.

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Permalink Reply by David on March 1, 2010 at 12:41am
Troy Tolley said:

Ann H said:

My understanding was that Magnetic Old Kings have a more global role (pun not intended), since their job is to unite or call their "kingdoms" around them. If that's the MOK's job, what would a Magnetic Old Artisan's job be? AnnH​

The Magnetic part refers to the fact that the fragment finally activates a long-standing wave of Agreements from among a large population of people who wanted to be a part of whatever that Magnetic fragment had hoped to leave as a teaching for the world, so for all of the Magnetic Roles, the effect could be global if those fragments involved are spread out. Once that Magnetism is activated, those who are a part of that dynamic will be activated, too, and that can mean different things. For a Magnetic King, the participation would be Action-oriented as part of a Kingdom, and for a Magnetic Artisan, the participation would be Expressive, or Creative as part of a Canvas.

I'll have to look for it, but there was a big piece I posted about this several years ago, and Michael gave a list of examples of Magnetic Roles throughout history.

The problem with recognizing them, in my opinion, is that we have such a fan-based culture these days, that any activation of a Magnetic Role would just blend in with any other kind of mass appeal. Metaphysically, there might be more going on, but it might be hard for us to tell the difference on the surface.

troy​

two words: johnny depp.

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on July 11, 2011 at 4:10pm
Yesterday, July 10th, 2011 during the Michael Speaks Live Chat session, I asked a question about parallels, and had the opportunity to ask a followup to that today during the Team POF session:

[Geraldine] Yesterday, you said: "For instance, there is a parallel version of our relationship with you where we are incarnated as Transcendental, and you are a part of our audience there." Curiosity being what it is, I'd like to know more about that particular parallel, what you are "doing" as a Transcendental, and what I'm "doing."
[MEntity] We are looking at 3 versions of parallels where most of our students would be gathered in fairly dense, centralized locations, which has come to be on the coast of what is still called West Virginia, the coast of Germany, and the in the Seattle area of the United States. Your Essence is in the Seattle area where we would meet you. "You" live with several students in a large complex.
[MEntity] This is difficult to share in any way that "makes sense," but these parallels are not the current Personalities, but what you might see as "future" incarnations. As these Parallels are quite stable in their own timelines as it is, but also because we can choose any time frame for incarnation.
[MEntity] So while it IS still parallel for "us," it would seem a "future" to "you."
[Geraldine] I understand -- and it's not "my" Personality but another one of Essence's
[MEntity] In other words, "we" meet "you" in approximately 2000 years.
[Bobby] I should bury something for a future "me" to find
[Oscar] i'll tell Essence to buy a present for that meeting
[Geraldine] 2000 years from now could and would be quite different than the Seattle Bobby or I know
[MEntity] That is a valid idea: to arrange with Essence to bring symbols into the life to trigger a loop of memory to another self. This is, in fact, how we "proved" to Troy that past lives were valid.
[MEntity] The point of our choosing that time frame for incarnation, by the way, is for the sake of laying ground for the Infinite Soul, which is impending in those parallels "at this point."
[MEntity] The work "you" are doing with us in those parallels is, for the most part, the implementation and population of educational facilities using methods that we are teaching.
[MEntity] Across all parallels of "us," we will have this overhaul of the educational system as an underlying theme.

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Permalink Reply by Martha on July 11, 2011 at 4:20pm
Whoa! More ways to bend our minds. Did you ask Troy how they proved past lives to him?

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on July 11, 2011 at 4:52pm
Martha (and everyone else) -- You're all in luck. Troy was out of trance and willing to tell the story. It happened back in about 94/95 and was fundamental to him keeping on channeling Michael as he didn't believe in past lives prior to this.

[CocteauBoy] Cyprus was working with a boy at her job, and at the time, she raved about how she wanted us to meet, because she knew we would totally hit it off...
[CocteauBoy] She had asked me to get his profile for him.
[CocteauBoy] When I sat down to get his profile, I had something happen that never happened before, and never again, at least not like this.
[CocteauBoy] But I thought I had fallen through my chair and tried to catch myself, and as I did, I realized I was completely hallucinating or whatever it was, and my entire room was gone.
[CocteauBoy] I was in a snowstorm, trying to claw my way up the side of a cliff, trying to grab someone's hand.
[CocteauBoy] I was barely holding on to this hand and I knew I was going to fall.
[CocteauBoy] I yelled out, "I'll find you again! Don't worry." and fell... on down the side of the cliff.
[CocteauBoy] But I didn't come out of this hallucination or whatever, but woke up dead.
[CocteauBoy] and I was suddenly very clear about what had happened.
[CocteauBoy] I had been on an expedition to the antarctic (or arctic?) and it was funded by someone through a big school, I thought, and this person I had tried to grab onto when I fell was still alive. It was like I was fastforwarded a few months and I remembered I was supposed to find him.
[CocteauBoy] We already had big ideas about what happened after death, and we had always promised that if one of us would die, we would stick around and make sure the other person knew somehow that we continued in consciousness after death.
[CocteauBoy] So I was hanging around his cabin for what seemed like a long time, just hoping he would see me, and he never did. He was so sad, never leaving, always sleeping, and was just devastated by my death.
[CocteauBoy] One thing that he always did was carry with him my bracelet that I guess was mine, and was supposed to be our way of staying connected. It was a woven bracelet. I was supposed to do something in a way that he could tell I was there after death, but I couldn't figure out what to do.
[CocteauBoy] And then I was WHOOSHED back into my room at the desk!
[CocteauBoy] And I started writing all of this down, because I keep journals, or used to (now I blog).
[CocteauBoy] I knew it was Carlos, the guy's chart I was doing, and I was freaked out about meeting him now.
[CocteauBoy] But I wrote everything down and kept it secret, even from Cyprus. and I was all giddy and ready to meet him when we finally met.
[CocteauBoy] And when we did, I was like... oh.
[CocteauBoy] Nothing.
[CocteauBoy] He was just a nice guy.
[CocteauBoy] Actually, kind of annoying.
<Bobby] was he wearing a woven bracelet?
[CocteauBoy] no
[CocteauBoy] So I kept this big hallucination to myself, and almost forgot about it, having struck up a friendship with him over time, and then he had to go back to Columbia.
[CocteauBoy] But he came back.
[CocteauBoy] And brought gifts.
[CocteauBoy] And when he pulled out all of these interesting things for everyone, he apologized for what he got me, because it was just a hand-woven little bracelet from a street vendor that had struck him as something I might like, and he gave that to me.
[CocteauBoy] I burst out crying, and was all frantic and in a panic and didn't know what to do... I couldn't speak, but I was all crazy spinning.
[CocteauBoy] So I rummaged through my things and found the journal entry that described exactly how that bracelet was supposed to be a way to show that we remembered each other, if we ever found each other again.
[CocteauBoy] I read it to him, and then HE burst into tears, because he had kept it to himself all this time that he had been having dreams about ME, and he was always upset by them because he couldn't see me "through the snow."
[CocteauBoy] The experience was so profound for him that he actually went on to join a monastary in Asheville, NC!
[CocteauBoy] he left it since then, but that changed everything about my skepticism about past lives

Martha said:

Whoa! More ways to bend our minds. Did you ask Troy how they proved past lives to him?​

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Permalink Reply by Christian on July 11, 2011 at 4:58pm
to quote Keanu Reeves in every movie he's been in.

"Whoa"

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Permalink Reply by Paulyboy on July 11, 2011 at 5:58pm
Dude!

And also the laying of the groundwork in the "future" ... dude!

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Permalink Reply by Martha on July 11, 2011 at 6:00pm
To keep in Christian's theme, I'll just say:

"DUDE!"
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Permalink Reply by Martha on July 11, 2011 at 6:02pm
And what is it with Michael students and Arctic/Antarctic expeditions? Bobby was there, I was there THREE time with Mark Perkinson in on 2 of them. Now Troy? Weird.

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Permalink Reply by Anna D on July 11, 2011 at 7:23pm
Wow so cool. Thanks so much for sharing this Troy and Geraldine. I really appreciate stories of validating life after death. Glad I read this

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Permalink Reply by Eric on July 11, 2011 at 7:47pm
Um...wow/dude/whoa/etc...

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Permalink Reply by Bobby on July 11, 2011 at 8:51pm
That Adventure Need? It was one of the few places left that had gone unexplored.

Martha said:

And what is it with Michael students and Arctic/Antarctic expeditions? Bobby was there, I was there THREE time with Mark Perkinson in on 2 of them. Now Troy? Weird.​

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Permalink Reply by Brian_W on July 11, 2011 at 9:10pm
Uh, the coast of West Virginia? Say whaaa?

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Permalink Reply by Maureen on July 11, 2011 at 11:08pm
Holy Snow Storm -- Batman! This is giving me chills Troy -- it's so beautiful.

Thank you Geraldine for asking the questions. Great answers from Michael. It seems there's never a dull moment - even in the future!

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Permalink Reply by Evelin on July 12, 2011 at 2:26am
Whoa, indeed. Troy, what a story! Made me cry. In that good way.
The Arctic and Antarctica feel like places where you'd definitely sense if you've known someone before. Plus, you'd never really go to an expedition like that with people you didn't deeply trust. Nothing like huge snow fields to bring out what's inside.

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Permalink Reply by Isa on July 12, 2011 at 2:32am
That's an amazing story. I remember going to a past life regression evening a few years ago and having a vivid 'memory' of a life: I was looking down at my feet, scuffed shoes and cobbled pavement in the rain. I looked up and there was an archway made of the same kind of stone, the architecture was peculiar. I guessed the life was in the 1920s or maybe a bit before where I was an impoverished artist in somewhere French speaking that wasn't France. I guessed it was Switzerland, although I don't really know anything about the country. A few weeks later I received a book in the post from Amazon about past life regression and, oddly enough found a picture that looked exactly like the arch in my dream. The book didn't have any information on where the picture was taken. It just so happened friend was visiting who recognized it instantly, having spent time in Switzerland.. I thought it was an odd coincidence that the book happened to be on past life regression, and that a friend just happened to be visiting who could confirm my guess.

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Permalink Reply by Elaine on July 12, 2011 at 3:19am
DITTO!!! WOAW!!

Eric said:

Um...wow/dude/whoa/etc...​

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Permalink Reply by Diane HB on July 12, 2011 at 10:54am
Wow...totally made me tear up. Great story.

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Permalink Reply by Heidi Taylor on July 12, 2011 at 11:23am
Holy bewilderment, Batman! This was so incredibly moving. I'm speechless. I now know a new question to ask Michael in the future, that's for sure. Wonder if I've left any momentos for myself to find this life...

Martha said:

Whoa! More ways to bend our minds. Did you ask Troy how they proved past lives to him?​

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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on July 12, 2011 at 6:01pm
Terii (and everyone who has noticed my penchant for asking questions) . . .

It's true. One of the most obvious things that hit me when reading both the various CQY MFM books and the PDF files of the original transcripts, was my first question: "Why has no one asked questions to get further details?" But, meanwhile, I'd read everything I could of the Q&As on the MT and TLE Yahoo group lists, their websites, and most especially all of the live chat transcripts. I attended all of the live chats I could. It didn't take long for me to look forward to all of the "general" questions.

During the past year, Troy has held mostly Topic-based Live Chats with questions aimed to expand on the topic, plus, during this year, we now have a 3-person team that has become equally interested in pursuing topics of either personal interest, such as Oscar and his Holy Grail, Bobby and his Biblical quotes, and several members who load their "MyForums" with nonpersonal questions, and then others like Maureen and Claire who are pushing their own interests. It's becoming quite the push to delve deeper and further. I'm working to get the 6-million year timeline filled in -- something that started when I asked for all of the non-historical Infinite Souls back in 2009. That opened a floodgate of new questions that have really kicked in during 2011.

But beyond the non-personal and more historical questions, Troy also started the monthly topic-based workshops in 2010. The topics are all application oriented -- how to apply the basic Michael Teachings to one's life. These transcripts are all collected in the private OMW Groups. Since one pays to attend the workshop, the transcripts are not completely free -- one can either pay a yearly one-time fee of $30 or attend one $30 workshop to view all of the transcripts. The most recent one of "Healing Relationships" was very self-validating and I'll be writing about it soon. I just need to chew on it some more, but I've finding it quite pertinent nearly everytime I turn around.

Fortunately, these Q&As will also be added to the Library, which makes them findable 2 weeks from now.

Geraldine


Terri Green said:

The story brought tears to my eyes also. Incredible, Troy. Thank you so much for sharing it.
And Geraldine, you always do ask such great questions. I just love reading all of this.​

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Permalink Reply by Mari Lynn Young on July 13, 2011 at 12:19pm
omg!!! I had a work assignment there....in 2004. I felt a 'connection' to the land, and to some of the people.....mostly to the patients that I worked with. The first patient I had (after not working in over 2 yrs. as an OT) that saidto me "Well, I RECKON'........" Ok, that struck me as, at first so-"Beverly Hills/Granny-like" but yet, I thought more on her saying that as.....ah, I'm home"!!!

I fell in love with the land, and I have come to know that alot of my patients are brought to me as a 'karmic debt', and thus-I have had some of my adventure and freedom needs met too, by being a travelling therapist. However, now the lesson is "stay put, shut up and LEARN, ML"!!! hahaha.....ok, the SHUT UP part has been difficult at times) OK...ok.....all 3 have been hard to do. But-RESISTANCE IS INDEED, FUTILE.
~ML
Brian_W said:
Uh, the coast of West Virginia? Say whaaa?​

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Infinite and Transcendental Souls,

The Logos, Pathos, and Ethos

Infinite and Transcendental Souls, the Logos, Pathos, and Ethos
July 17, 2011
Troy Tolley, Channel

[MEntity] Hello to each of you. We are here.
We can begin responding to your questions and topic of choice.

[Geraldine] We'd like topic-length information on what the Infinite Soul/Transcendental Soul does and how the Logos operates.
We've had 3 non-terrestrial IS and the remainder have been human.
Have those all been from the human design?
How does the Logos separate into Truth, Love, Energy.
Why have some IS only been after disasters?
Why are others apparently in the middle of prosperity?

[MEntity] We will respond as succinctly as possible, but will alert you to consider questions along the way, as those will shape the responses from us into a "topic-length" exchange.

[MEntity] The non-terrestrial Infinite Souls were not of Human Design,
but the manifestation of the Infinite Soul as it is represented by another species' Sentience (Design) is rather standard for any early Sentience of another Species.

[MEntity] This is because there are no cycled-off Essence or Entities
from that "new" Design capable of hosting the Infinite Soul.

However, because the Infinite Soul only ever represents Universal Truths, it does not matter that it initially manifests through a different species' Design.

[MEntity] Every species' eventually takes on the responsibility for providing its own Transcendental and Infinite Soul manifestations, for no other reason than that this is a natural evolutionary process of incarnation for Essences, as in Soul Ages, for cycled off Entities and Cadres.

[MEntity] While there is great emphasis on the 5 Soul Ages, there are actually 7, and all of "you" will go through those in some way, in some when.

[MEntity] As mentioned in another exchange with you, it is fairly standard that any new Sentience is accompanied by a stabilized Sentience already in cycle.
In other words, no new Design in introduced without the guidance of fragments from at least one other Design.

[MEntity] Depending on the evolutionary "speed," population, and geography/demographics of the new Sentience, the caretaker Sentience/Design would host between 1 and 12 Infinite Soul manifestations as necessary in the beginning.

[MEntity] We have not seen more than 12.

[MEntity] 3 appears to be average.

[MEntity] As you may have noticed throughout the Design of Sentience, there are a multitude of ways through which Fragments, Entities, Cadres, and Energy Rings resonate mathematically as part of the initial dynamics, which are then expanded upon through Monads, Karma, and Configurations throughout the incarnational cycles, all contributing to the gravity that will eventually reunite all in the high planes.

[MEntity] It could be said that Designs are originally organized mathematically, but then build from that the musical resonances that compel the reunion. Musical Resonance is Mathematical Resonance, exalted.

[MEntity] In that same way, Designs are also linked, both mathematically and eventually musically, in a way that draws them together in the high planes.
The Mathematical Resonance is built in as part of another level of organization of Sentience that supersedes the system familiar to you now, and includes "Pods," which we will explore at another time; part of the Musical Resonance
is generated by the relationships generated by the Infinite Soul manifestations
in those early incarnations.

[MEntity] This Musical Resonance among Designs is generated by the interventions that tend to save the species from extinction.

This is a rather profound experience for both parties, of course.

[MEntity] In terms of how Logos is brought to bear:

[MEntity] Because teaching of a high order tends to require a form that is relevant to a species, the Infinite Soul tends to emphasize the Higher Intellectual, or Logos, the Truth, Higher Expression because there has to be
a relevant delivery system.

[MEntity] Most manifestations would then include speech, writing,
or other form of Expression that delivers the higher knowledge.

[MEntity] This is why we tend to refer to these manifestations as bringing the Logos to bear, but in other species, the Ethos or Pathos may be the primary delivery system.

[MEntity] In ALL instances, regardless of the emphasis for delivery, Logos, Ethos, and Pathos will be built in.

[MEntity] Or the Truth, Beauty/Energy, and Love, respectively.

[MEntity] Every Infinite Soul manifestation brings one of these three
THROUGH Logos, much like Center/Part might be understood.

[MEntity] Because your species is rather Expressive/Intellectual,
the delivery system accommodates this by being Expressive, Intellectual,
The Word.

[MEntity] Transcendental Souls will tend to be more flexible in this,
and act as pathways or preparations to the Infinite Soul manifestations.

[MEntity] It could be said, then, even if crudely, that the Transcendental Souls, or high Causal bodies, emphasize Ethos, Logos, and/or Pathos, as potential paths to the Infinite Soul, or high Mental bodies, if that manifestation
would be necessary.

[MEntity] As if Transcendental acts as "parts" for the "centering" that is the emphasis for Infinite Soul.

[MEntity] Again, this is a crude analogy, but can work in helping to understand the dynamic.

[MEntity] Though we use the term Logos to describe that delivery system,
Logos can emphasize the Truth, Love, or Energy that are Universal and necessary for help of a species.

[MEntity] For instance, Lao Tzu emphasized Truth, while Jesus emphasized Love, and Buddha emphasized Energy/Beauty. Logos, Pathos or Ethos are packaged and delivered almost always through the Logos as a primary delivery system.
[MEntity] We would also clarify that though there are emphases on Truth, Love, or Energy as it varies among the Infinite Soul manifestations and as it comes through the Logos, there will also always be Truth, Love, and Energy combined in some way.

[MEntity] The Infinite Soul tends to manifest in both extremes of disaster and danger, and in times of prosperity, much in the same way that any higher understanding finds a platform. Most species only tend to open to higher perspectives when faced with peril, or prosperity.

[MEntity] Especially en masse.

[MEntity] We think we have responded to your initial questions, so we will prompt you now for further direction.

[Geraldine] Jump in, people

[Brian_W] What was the TS known as "Mohammad" a preparation for?

[MEntity] Though the Transcendental manifestations are always in place before an Infinite Soul manifestation, they are not always followed by that manifestation. The Infinite Soul manifestation only occurs if necessary, and in this case, it was not.

[Oscar] How long do ISs 'live' and how do they accomplish their goal in such a short time?

[MEntity] The fragments who host the Infinite Soul live as long as they choose, but manifestation of the Infinite Soul is never more than approximately 30 days.

[MEntity] The effects are long-term, and not always as intended; this is understood as part of the dynamic of Choice, of course. The intentions are rarely accomplished within the lifetime of the host, or during the time of manifestation, but act more like seeds.

[MEntity] These "seeds" are then dismissed, hoarded, destroyed, nurtured, hidden, etc as relative to the choices of those exposed to them.

[MEntity] However powerful a manifestation of Infinite Soul, it cannot "save" anyone; it can only offer the Logos.

[Brian_W] Perhaps this is more of a question on human nature than the TS / IS, but it seems with each incarnation of a TS / IS, a new religion is formed and much of the original ideas taught by the TS / IS are lost (perfect example being Jesus and teaching love, not dogma / rituals). Has there been a case where the original ideas taught were not "lost" upon those who heard the message from the TS / IS, or where the original ideas were continued to be carried down through generations?

[MEntity] Your perception is valid. When the teacher dies, so does the teaching, and turns into literature or interpretation, and as such is subject to the influences of those who convey that literature or interpretation.

There tends to remain the original "seed," no matter what, but often clouded and distorted.

[MEntity] Taoism remains the least-distorted of these seeds.

[Bobby] Why did an IS manifest during Jesus' time? There wasn't any peril pending so was it because it was an especially prosperous period for mankind?

[MEntity] The impending shift from Baby to Young on the planet at that time was heading for disastrous consequences. The manifestation through Jesus
was an attempt to bring the Logos of Love and Agape to the planet,
not only for the sake of helping transition retain some sense of compassion
and empathy, but to help those who would naturally fall into the lower economic or social positions create and nurture meaning in ways other than material.

[MEntity] Christianity is an example of how those "seeds" were lost overall against the prevailing patterns of choices, and the use of such seeds
by a Young Soul population, but remained intact for those who chose otherwise.

[MEntity] However painful the transition was from Baby to Young, the alternatives were far worse.

[MEntity] By "worse," we mean that in those parallels where the Infinite Soul
did not manifest, or where the Logos was rejected entirely, all sense of meaning and empathy were lost to those who did not have a material means
of reflecting personal value.

[MEntity] This is disastrous, even to the early Young Souls, as the system and symbols for those material reflections must be worked out, agreed upon, and explored before being utilized. If there is no patience, compassion,
and empathy along the way, a halt to any interest in "being alive" comes in.

[MEntity] Mass suicides and genocides, along with a sudden drop in birth rates, ended some parallels of exploration at that time.

[MEntity] Much of the biblical accounts are the struggles between the use of patience, empathy, and compassion as applied through Order and Authority (Baby Soul) while forging ahead with competition, oppression, materialism,
and exploitation, often tied up in fertility rites and roles for propagating populations that would comply (Young Soul).

These distractions with fertility rites and population growth/control were partially in response to the known fear that the species might have been affected by this shift.

[Geraldine] Once the IS has manifested, and I presume has undergone Review after the death of its host body, does it remain separate from its Cadre or remerge back in?

[MEntity] The Infinite Soul requires no review, at least in the same way that we understand a review to entail. The Infinite Soul is Tao, manifested, but as such, is hosted first through the emphasis of the plane of Logos (truth, love, or energy), which can come from any three of the high planes, which is then hosted through the high Mental bodies (usually a Cadre) from the Mental Plane, which is then hosted through a 7th Level Old Essence in a body.

[MEntity] This process is a means by which Tao can manifest into denser forms that can then be utilized by the densest of those forms.

[MEntity] Though Tao is "everywhere," to manifest the Logos in such a way requires a kind of stepping down of the energy in a way that can accommodate the final host.

[MEntity] As such, there is no real "remerging" necessary,
but there is a kind of conversion or dispersion of the energy that was used
in the process, and this becomes the "seeds" of which we spoke earlier.

[MEntity] The host of any Infinite Soul would go through the usual processes
of Review and reunion with Entity, etc.

[MEntity] The period of time used for Manifestation is not a part of the Review.

[Oscar] Does the host always die after the manifestation of the IS,
or are there also cases where the IS leaves and the host continues?

[MEntity] In response to OSCAR: the host does not always die after manifestation, but this depends upon many factors.

Often the manifestation is intentionally timed for the ending of the life,
so as not to interfere with the choices of the fragment hosting,
and sometimes the manifestation, itself, is rejected so profoundly
that the host is killed.

[MEntity] Often, there is no physical death involved, such as is the case
with Jesus, but the rejection takes on symbolic form and becomes a kind of legend or myth, to support the rejection.

It is true that there was an attempt to kill this fragment,
but he did not die, and continued on with a "normal" life of study, teaching,
and development of a family for many years beyond "the crucifixion."

[MEntity] This is acceptable, as it frees the host from continued linkage
to the Manifestation.

[Bobby] In India?

[MEntity] In response to Bobby: the accounts of Jesus post-crucifixion survival are almost all valid in some way, and reflect the merging of parallels that have since come to be since then.

[Brian_W] It has been said that in the IS known as "Jesus," the "Sermon
on the Mount" represents the pure Logos from the IS.
What were the equivalent teachings for Lao Tzu
and the Buddha (Siddhattha Gotama)

[MEntity] In response to Brian: Tao te Ching in general is rather "pure" overall
in its capacity for adapting to the intelligence of any individual for use as an oracle for guidance. In terms of Buddha, all parts of the teachings regarding
the consistency of Energy, Change, and Cause and Effect tend to be "pure."

[Maureen] So the actual Logos - as a Teaching - is aimed at the People and Time Period in which the IS appears?

[MEntity] In response to Maureen: that would be valid to some extent. The Logos, as a delivery system, always accommodates the overall capacity of intelligence and means of access for those incarnating at the time,
but is always Intellectual/Expressive, and will always be True,
regardless of time or population.

[Geraldine] Since both Ra and Krishna appeared at about 6,000 BCE
-- were they a) actually simultaneous manifestations of the IS; and b)
what was the common core message that they were trying to teach?

[MEntity] In response to Geraldine: Ra and Krishna, each, were manifestations that emphasized partnerships and understanding of human origins as being from off planet, though from different angles. Ra emphasizing this almost literally,
but through Energy/Beauty emphasis in the Logos, and Krishna through Ethos and Truth.

[MEntity] Krishna is one of only a few examples of a Transcendental Soul manifesting Infinite.

[AnnH] If Earth is transitioning again from Young to Mature,
and we've had two TS manifestations since the last IS,
and the Earth is in some peril regarding population and its health,
why is no IS showing up now? Or soon, anyway.

[MEntity] In response to ANN: so far, in parallels of which "you" are aware, there has always been a precarious balance kept in place that has neither removed the possibility or necessity for an Infinite Soul manifestation,
nor required one. This thin line continues to be walked.

[MEntity] There are several candidates who continue to remain potential hosts for the Infinite Soul if it were to manifest, and at this time, this continues to be the state. In other words, so far, the species appears to continue toward using its own capacity for pulling up from peril, and does not require intervention.

[MEntity] This does not mean that there is no need for some social transformations, and so the planet may see more and more Transcendental manifestations over the next 50 years or so.

[Oscar] At which moment did the Infinite Soul manifest in Buddha?

[MEntity] In response to Oscar: the manifestation appears to have happened halfway through his intentions to be "enlightened" through persistent meditation, and then about 2 weeks beyond that, giving rise to the "four noble truths," which were then built upon.

[Brian_W] Where might we expect these Transcendental manifestations
over the next 50 years?

[MEntity] In response to Brian: we can only say that these Transcendental Souls would probably continue to manifest in areas plagued by issues related to lack of health and prosperity, and emphasize a state of responsibility for attaining and sustaining these.

Note: I've left the spellings intact as Michael gave them in answers for the names of ISs and TSs. glb

ADDITIONAL CHANNELING:
Logos, Pathos, and Ethos are, in simplest terms, modes of persuasion.
Logos appeals to the Intellectual Center, is Expressive and rational, logical,
and emphasizes Truth and knowing.
Pathos appeals to the Emotional Center, is Inspirational and intimate, sympathetic, emphasizing Love and compassion.
Ethos appeals to the Moving Center, is Active and responsible, conscientious, and emphasizing Energy/Beauty and ethics.
One of these tends to be the delivery system for the other two, and the most common delivery system is that of the Logos, particularly when it comes to the Infinite Soul. Because the manifestation of the Infinite Soul is a means of intervention, there is a necessity for a sobering effect that can only come via Logos. Whatever is packaged in that Logos, be it higher Truths, Love, or Beauty, it is delivered in sobering ways that help return a focus back toward Sentience, self-awareness, and consciousness.

Every Transcendental Soul will tend to emphasize one of these as a means to appeal for social change, even as all three would naturally be involved in some way, as well. Depending on the population and its Overleaves, as well as the direction of change sought to be brought by the Transcendental Soul, the most effective of these persuasions would be used, and is often reflected in the Mode of that Transcendental Soul's Personality. For instance, Gandhi emphasized the Ethos, and as such carried the Perseverance Mode, though he also taught the Logos and Pathos.
As the Infinite Soul completely overrides the Personality of the host, the Overleaves and not necessarily reflective of what is packaged in the Logos.

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"Also - what does the Transcendental soul, transcend, exactly?"
Just a guess here but since the Transcendental Soul
sees everyone it encounters as itself,
it has transcended the separation inherent
in the idea of individual identity.
~ William Getman c1e7