Ruthven - Work Sheet On Geni.com

WHERE I NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION ON GENI: SEE LAST LINE OF THIS POST

my family tree is supposed to be connected to:
john ruthven 1688 stirling - which is the right one
- but; you still have it wrong - in your legs of the tree; i started to correct data here on this stand alone tree https://www.geni.com/people/JOHN-RUTHVEN-1688-Stirling/6000000192021999824
(and, i'll let you know when i'm finsihed that; on the weekend)

my john ruthen 1688 is NOT this one; you call the music maker
the one, neal changed this profile to reflecting; see post #1

john ruthven 1688 stirling - this is the right one - but; you still have it wrong
- https://www.geni.com/pe
place to put the question: https://www.geni.com/people/William-Ruthven-2nd-Lord-Ruthven/6000000000701212674#/tab/discussion

 

Geni - William Ruthven (c.1500-1552)- Kynnard
https://www.geni.com/people/William-Ruthven-2nd-Lord-Ruthven/6000000000701212674#/tab/discussion

William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven is your fourth great uncle's 6th great aunt's 1st husband.
You


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Lyn aka Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother

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JiM aka James Edward Handy Jr.
her father

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JAS aka James Edward Handy Sr.
his father

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Edward or NED Handy
his father

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Charles Wesley Handy
his father

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Jane Adelaide Handy - Knox
his sister

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John Knox (of Greenwood Park)
her husband

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Francis Knox
his father

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Francis Knox of Moyne Abbey
his father

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William Knox, Jr.
his father

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Lady Fingwel Florence Knox
his mother

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Mary Erskine
her mother

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Margaret Home
her mother

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Mariot Haliburton
her mother

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Janet Halyburton
her sister

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William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
her husband

 

William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven is your fourth great uncle's 6th great aunt's 1st husband.
You


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Lyn aka Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother

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JiM aka James Edward Handy Jr.
her father

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JAS aka James Edward Handy Sr.
his father

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Edward or NED Handy
his father

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Charles Wesley Handy
his father

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Jane Adelaide Handy - Knox
his sister

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John Knox (of Greenwood Park)
her husband

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Francis Knox
his father

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Francis Knox of Moyne Abbey
his father

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William Knox, Jr.
his father

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Lady Fingwel Florence Knox
his mother

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Mary Erskine
her mother

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Margaret Home
her mother

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Mariot Haliburton
her mother

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Janet Halyburton
her sister

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William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
her husband

 

the NOTES on that profile
but; there is many mistakes in them:

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Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/19/2020 at 10:23 PM
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John Ruthven
MyHeritage Family Trees
Kingsmore / Ritson Family Genealogy, managed by John (Contact)
Birth:
May 1688 - Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
Death:
Feb 15 1732 - buried 15 February 1732 in Glasgow
Parents:
George John Ruthven, Elspeth Ruthven (born Hutcheson)
Brother:
Donald Ruthven
Wife:
Margaret Ruthven (born Peadie)
Children:
John Ruthven, Anne Wodrow (born Ruthven), John Ruthven, Barbara Ruthven, James Ruthven, Thomas Ruthven, Duncan Ruthven, Alexander Ruthven



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/19/2020 at 10:25 PM
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why do you call him Music Master in Glasgow ???
and, why have you pegged his approx. date of birth
as:
Male
Birth:
estimated between 1663 and 1717 ???
that would NOT be possible
since; he had a son born
February 27, 1718
so, very likely
like his wife; born in late 1600s; and; NOT the 1700s



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/19/2020 at 10:47 PM
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NEAL, you have changed dates on profiles
NEAL, you have changed names on profiles
have you also deleted a few profiles too ???
and, this is why you are out my half a century ???
I am trying to work from newest to oldest. date
and,i think I've done a pretty decent job
on most of the profiles I manage
the problem peadie profile,
you seem to NOT be able to understand this,
but, I did NOT set up this profile
someone else, did that
I started to get this profile ready
to add the correct information
for MARGARET MARION PEADIE
only to discover
you've renamed this file
MARION PEADIE ???
I'm dealing with snow storms in Canada
and, the other Ruthven person who is helping me
is dealing with wild fires in Australia
- this guy subscribes to a service which can get
birth certificates christenings; etc;
it might take us '5 days' to get the information up
NEAL, your information you've added
is actually the WRONG CENTURY
you've also added our profiles
and; typed comments on them
indicating, they are false ones...
without adding any real proof ???
I DO NOT know what your M.O. IS
however, I am finding it
very difficult to do this research properly
and, hang the right information
on the right profile
when you keep altering things
and, switching the names i'm trying to prove
- one only needs to look at the profiles
of marion peadie; & all the changes
to wonder why ???
what is the purpose to making all these changes ???
why is all this necessary ???
the strangest part of all this,
is you say you are NOT even
related to RUTHVEN
so, what is your real interest
in wanting to manage all my profiles ???
'cause i'm getting tired
of wasting my precious time
to put up information to answer your private emails
only for you to change what I put up
and; delete it
perhaps; you'll see
I think the problem is YOUR information
NOT mine !!!
until this profile reads
MARGARET MARION PEADIE
I am not putting the birth certificate here
i'll create another profile



Neil
1/22/2020 at 8:30 AM
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EVIDENCE FROM THE RECORDS OF THE BURGH OF GLASGOW
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25 April 1721: [The magistrats and toun council] Ordains the treasurer and his successors in office to pay to Mr. John Ruthven, musick master in this citie, five pund sterling, yearly, by four quarterly payments, commencing the first quarters payment at Lambass next, for his encouragement to continue and proceed in the teaching and improvement of musick for the benefit of the inhabitants; and thir presentis to continue during the magistrats and councils will and pleasure allenerly. https://archive.org/stream/extractsfromreco05glas#page/107/mode/1up
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25 September 1725: [The magistrats and toun council] Ordain the dean of gild and bretheren to admit Mr. John Ruthven, musick master, burges and gild brother of the burgh as marrying (blank) Peadie, daughter lawful to umquhill James Peadie, merchant, burges, and gild brother thereof, and to remit his fynes and hold them as payed. https://archive.org/stream/extractsfromreco05glas#page/237/mode/1up
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20 October 1726: John Ruthven, Musician,in Glasgow, was enrolled as a burgess and Guild Brother of Glasgow on 20 October 1726. He was admitted in right of his marriage to Marion Peadie, daughter to the deceased James Peadie, Merchant in Glasgow, burgess and guild brother. He was admitted gratis conform to an act of council dated 25 September 1725. https://archive.org/details/scottishrecordso43scotuoft/page/384
===EVIDENCE FROM THE OLD PAROCHIAL REGISTERS OF GLASGOW
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23 May 1717: "Mr John Ruthven Marrion Peadie". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Marriages, 1687-1729, reference OPR.644/1/24] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120103466828&
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27 February 1718: "Mr John Ruthven & Marrion Peadie a lawfull son John wit Alexr Porterfield James Christie & John Pollock". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Baptisms, 1707-19, reference OPR.644/1/9] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120280005041&
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'''13 September 1719: "Mr. John Ruthven & Marrion Peady a lawfull daugh[ter] Anne wit Alexander Porterfield & James Christy". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Baptisms, 1719-28, reference OPR.644/1/10] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120282000874&
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23 April 1721: "Mr John Ruthven & Margaret Peadie a lawfull son John wit Matthew Cuming & John Pollock". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Baptisms, 1719-28, reference OPR.644/1/10] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120281765103&
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17 January 1723: "January 17 1723 Mr John Riven & Marrion Peadie a lawfull daug Barbara wit Alexander Porterfield & James Christie". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Baptisms, 1622-31, reference OPR.644/1/2] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120274672449&
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4 March 1725: "Mr John Ruthven & Marion Peadie a lawfull son James wit James Christie & Alexander Porterfield born on thursday the 18th february last at 3 a clock in the Afternoon". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Baptisms, 1719-28, reference OPR.644/1/10] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120282153055&
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8 October 1727: "Mr John Ruthven & Marion Peadie a lawfull son Alexander, wit, James Chrystie & Alexr Porterfield". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Baptisms, 1x719-1728, reference OPR.644/1/10] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120282789961&
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15 February 1732: "The Cittie of Glasgow Record of Mortalitie in Anno 1732 ….. ffebr 15 Mr John Riven Musician". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Deaths, 1723-39, reference OPR.644/146] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000120128436821&
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3 March 1732: "The City of Glasgow Record of Mortalitie in Anno 1732 . . . . . March 3. Merion Peadie relict to the desiced Mr John Riven Musikener". [National Records of Scotland, Glasgow Deaths, 1723-39, reference OPR.644/1/46] https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000119973441855&



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/22/2020 at 11:12 AM
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COULD I ASK WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TO THIS LINE
old information
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Alexander (Thompson) Ruthven
her father
Marion Rennie - Ruthven
her mother
Alexander Ruthven
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Robert (Witherspoon) Ruthven, SR
his father
Margaret Thompson - Ruthven
his mother
Robert Ruthven
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John (Henderson) Ruthven
his father
Margaret Witherspoon - Ruthven (1754)
his mother
John Ruthven, Weaver in Glasgow
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John (Peadie) Ruthven
his father
MARY HENDERSON ( 1687 - 1747)
his mother
John Ruthven, secundus, grocer in Glasgow
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John (Hutcheson) Ruthven
his father
Marrion aka Marion Margaret Peadie - Ruthven
his mother
John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow
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George (Reid) Ruthven
his father
Elspeth Hutcheson - Ruthven
his mother
George Ruthven
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William Alexander (Clerk) Ruthven
his father
Isobel Reid - Ruthven - Birth: November 16, 1626
Daughter of James Reid
William Ruthven, resident of Brechin
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William (Gray) Ruthven
his father
Marion Clerk
his mother
William Ruthven, Writer in Edinburgh
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Sir William (Halyburton) Ruthven
his father
Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
his mother, Daughter of Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray andMarion Gray
Sir William Ruthven of Ballindean, Kt.
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William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven Castle
his father
Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun Castle - Birth: circa April 19, 1503
Daughter of Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun Castle
and Margaret Douglas - Halyburton
William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
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Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
his mother
Daughter of Andrew Gray, 2nd Lord Gray, Son of Patrick Gray, Master of Gray and Annabella FORBES-Gray
and Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll, Daughter of John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl and Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
Catherine Buttergask
William Ruthven, Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle- Birth: circa July 12, 1478
-Ruthven Castle, Perthshire, Scotland
Son of Knight and Sir William Brentford Ruthven, 1st Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle
and Lady Isabel Livingston - Lindsay - Ruthven, Countess of Brentford
http://www.geni.com/people/William-...64458449390117010?through=546...
William Brentford Ruthven, 1st Lord & Master of Ruthven
is the 14th great grandfather of Susan Lynne Schwenger.



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/22/2020 at 11:14 AM
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what was the original information on this profile
before it was changed to
john Ruthven, music master in Glasgow ???
the Canadian Ruthven
refer to the original settler
as, a master weaver ?



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/22/2020 at 11:15 AM
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there is also a fair bit of information
also on this thread, before a lot of geni.com
got corrupted with changes
John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/22/2020 at 11:21 AM
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I also will make sure I check
THE CANADIAN IMMIGRATION forward
by changing the name to being
in capitals
- and; putting jr. and. sr. etc.,
into the proper fields
-PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THE NAMES
OR; ADJUST THE CAPITALS to lower case
(if that is necessary, i'll do that after I have things verified)
- UNTIL I am finished; if you have issue with things,
kindly, type the problem to this thread,
so, I might address it,
I am gathering
photographs of people
photographs of graves
birth and death certificates etc.,
since CANADA was pioneered
there was NOT very much here but bush
when these folks first immigrated to this region
- HOPEFULLY the Canadian side will end up with all the correct information on Ruthven, on this side of the pond



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/22/2020 at 12:22 PM
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this info I had before some changes happened
MY LINEAGE
You
Susan Lynne Schwenger
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Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother
Murray Bruce aka Muff Schwenger
your father
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James aka Jim Edward Handy JR.
her father
Viola Mae Drury - Handy
her father, Daughter of Dr. George Walker Herbert Drury
and Eva "Effie" Teresa Kopitoski - Drury,
Daughter of Daughter of Michel aka Michael Kopitoski aka Kopitoskie aka Kopetoski aka Kopotoskie aka Kopitowsky - Born August 18, 1853, Died January 13, 1933 (79) Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
& Amelia Annie Musclow - Kopitoski - Born March 4, 1855.
Daughter of Johann Gottfried (John) Musclow and Emilie Caroline Friederike (Amelia) Schroeder
(Michael Kopitoski)
JiM aka James Edward Handy Jr.
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James aka Jim (Ruthven) Handy SR.
his father
Ida Eva Morton Russell - Handy
his mother, Daughter of Robert James Russell and UNKNOWN Morton - Russell
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Marion (Rennie) Ruthven - Handy - Satchell
his mother
Edward Handy
his father, Son of Charles W. Handy & Mary Gibbons-Handy,
Son of Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy Esq. (The Handy Circus Troupe & Astley's Circus)
and Mary Huntley - Grant - Handy - Catawba Tribe
Daughter of Chief Neil Huntley - Catawba Tribe
Marion or "Merne" Ruthven - Handy - Satchell
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Alexander (Thompson) Ruthven
her father
Marion Rennie - Ruthven
her mother
Alexander Ruthven
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Robert (Witherspoon) Ruthven, SR
his father
Margaret Thompson - Ruthven
his mother
Robert Ruthven
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John (Henderson) Ruthven
his father
Margaret Witherspoon - Ruthven (1754)
his mother
John Ruthven, Weaver in Glasgow
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John (Peadie) Ruthven
his father
MARY HENDERSON ( 1687 - 1747)
his mother
John Ruthven, secundus, grocer in Glasgow
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John (Hutcheson) Ruthven
his father
Marrion aka Marion Margaret Peadie - Ruthven
his mother
John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow
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George (Reid) Ruthven
his father
Elspeth Hutcheson - Ruthven
his mother
George Ruthven
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William Alexander (Clerk) Ruthven
his father
Isobel Reid - Ruthven - Birth: November 16, 1626
Daughter of James Reid
William Ruthven, resident of Brechin
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William (Gray) Ruthven
his father
Marion Clerk
his mother
William Ruthven, Writer in Edinburgh
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Sir William (Halyburton) Ruthven
his father
Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
his mother, Daughter of Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray andMarion Gray
Sir William Ruthven of Ballindean, Kt.
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William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven Castle
his father
Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun Castle - Birth: circa April 19, 1503
Daughter of Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun Castle
and Margaret Douglas - Halyburton
William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
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Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
his mother
Daughter of Andrew Gray, 2nd Lord Gray, Son of Patrick Gray, Master of Gray and Annabella FORBES-Gray
and Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll, Daughter of John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl and Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
Catherine Buttergask
William Ruthven, Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle- Birth: circa July 12, 1478
-Ruthven Castle, Perthshire, Scotland
Son of Knight and Sir William Brentford Ruthven, 1st Lord & Master of Ruthven Castle
and Lady Isabel Livingston - Lindsay - Ruthven, Countess of Brentford
http://www.geni.com/people/William-...64458449390117010?through=546...
putting this here for the curator - ben angel ?



Neil
1/22/2020 at 3:08 PM
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Dear Susan,
I have been tinkering with the family tree of the family of Lord Ruthven but I do not think that I have altered the line of ancestry you have identified for yourself.
I have been trying to find out more about Sir William Ruthven and the two sons that are present of his family tree. As things stand this does not look right, and it would be nice if the genealogy could be proved. I am not related to this family but I am interested in them. A link to him follows:
Sir William Ruthven of Ballindean, Kt.
My attention was drawn to John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow, because of my particular interest in the burgesses and guild brothers of Glasgow.
I hope that this answers some of the questions you have.
Kind Regards,
Neil



Neil
1/24/2020 at 7:15 AM
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John Ruthven has been identified as the son of George John Ruthven and Elspeth Hutcheson, and the grandson of William Alexander Ruthven and Isobel Reid, BUT THERE IS NO SUCH PERSONS AS GEORGE JOHN RUTHVEN, or WILLIAM ALEXANDER RUTHVEN!
A man named William Ruthven and his wife Isobel Reid did have a son named George Ruthven, whose baptism was registered at Brechin on 4 January 1663, but he is not the same person as George John Ruthven. This NONSENSE has been published in at least ten pedigrees published by MyHeritage, and identified by Geni as SMARTMATCHES
https://www.myheritage.com/matchingresult-27d82aff1958d4298f0ef6205...
Unless I hear a convincing argument for not doing so I propose to disconnect these invented profiles from the Ruthven family tree, and delete them.



Susan Lynne Schwenger
1/28/2020 at 11:17 AM
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WHY HAS SOMEONE REMOVED THE WIFE
OF SIR WILLIAM RUTHVEN, KT ???
William Alexander (Clerksone) Ruthven
his father
Isobel or Isoble Reid - Ruthven
his mother
→
William Ruthven
his father
Marione Clerksone
his mother
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Sir William Ruthven, Kt. Knight
his father
Mary Gray
his mother
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William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
his father
Janet Halyburton, Lady Dirletoun Castle (Ruthven)
his mother
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Catherine Gray of Buttergask
his mother
William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven , 1st lord of ruthven
his father
→
Elizabeth Stewart
her mother
Andrew Gray, 2nd Lord Gray
her father
→
John Stewart of Balveny, 1st Earl of Atholl
her father
Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
her mother
→
Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scots
his mother
James Stewart, the Black Knight of Lorn
his father



Neil
1/28/2020 at 11:59 AM
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I have already replied to you enquiry.



Neil
1/30/2020 at 5:55 AM
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In a pedigree published in the Ruthven Family Papers it has been claimed that John Ruthven (Music Master in Glasgow) was the great-grandson of John Ruthven, third Earl of Gowrie. He is said to be the son of another John Ruthven, who may have been associated with Kilmarnock, but the author could not identify his grandfather by name, or provide any evidence which proved the claimed relationship with Earl John.
https://archive.org/details/ruthvenfamilypap00cowauoft/page/62/mode...
The pedigree published in the Ruthven Family Papers conflicts with another seven pedigrees published by MyHeritage, which claim that John Ruthven (Music Master in Glasgow) was the son of George Ruthven and Elspeth Hutcheson, residents of St. Ninians parish in Stirlingshire, whose baptism was registered at St. Ninians on 4 May 1688.
https://www.myheritage.com/matchingresult-28bcc236b7dd6a11edc4a6395...
Presently, it is not possible to confirm or refute the ancestry proposed by either of these pedigrees (The old parochial registers are unhelpful in this regard, although the baptismal registers of St. Ninians parish do suggest that George Ruthven’s son may have remained there, married, and had his own family. Details are given in the profile overview). In view of this conflict, and because of the lack of evidence, I believe that John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow, should be disconnected from the family tree of George Ruthven and his wife Elspeth Hutcheson. I also believe that his relationship field should be locked in order to ensure that his profile is not the subject of a wrong merge in the future. In the event that proof of relationship is eventually found the profile can be unlocked in order to allow his ancestry to be progressed.



Susan Lynne Schwenger
2/10/2020 at 2:40 AM
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the john Ruthven, I am searching for
was born 1687 ?
I think he is a weaver
but, you say music master
i'll add a few more things I found to media
thank you
susan



Neil
2/10/2020 at 4:49 AM
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What single piece of evidence was it that led you to believe that John Ruthven was born in 1687? If you have evidence (not a claim or an opinion) you should share it.
If you have evidence that identifies John Ruthven as a weaver you should share it. All of the evidence so far discovered identifies him as a Musician, or Music Master. On 25 April 1721 the magistrates and town council of Glasgow agreed to pay him five pounds sterling annually for the: "teaching and improvement of musick for the benefit of the inhabitants". https://archive.org/stream/extractsfromreco05glas#page/107/mode/1up



Susan Lynne Schwenger
3/8/2020 at 5:26 PM
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witherspoon maybe wotherspoon and could also be weatherspoon



Ashley Odell C
3/8/2020 at 7:35 PM
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Susan Lynne Schwenger, it looks like a lot of the images you've added to this profile are about people other than John Ruthven. Can you help re-tag them to the appropriate profiles?
https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000008442250405?album_type=phot...= for example appears to be a William Ruffin/Ruthven.
Sir William Ruthven of Ballindean, Kt. looks like the man who goes with https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000008442250405?album_type=phot...=
And so forth.



Ashley Odell C
3/8/2020 at 7:45 PM
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Mary Campbell is the Mary Campbell who married James, 7th Lord Ruthven of Freeland but the sketch's caption says Mary Campbell married James, 6th Lord Ruthven of Freeland. That is incorrect; the wife of the 6th lord and mother of the 7th was Lady Mary Elizabeth Leslie. So the book containing https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000008442250405?album_type=phot...= is wrong. Use it cautiously.



Susan Lynne Schwenger
3/9/2020 at 12:24 AM
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This info; i believe should go here
William Ruthven
mentioned in the record of Alexander Ruthven
Name: William Ruthven
Sex: Male
Wife: Marioun Clerk
Son: Alexander Ruthven
Other information in the record of Alexander Ruthven
from Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:
Alexander Ruthven
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
20 Nov 1608
Event Place:
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Event Place (Original):
Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
William Ruthven
Mother's Name:
Marioun Clerk
clerk =clerksone Marioun = Marione



Ashley Odell C
3/9/2020 at 1:59 AM
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None of that information is about John Ruthven, so it will not be added to this profile. It should instead be added to the profiles of the people mentioned.



Anne Brannen C
3/9/2020 at 11:28 AM
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Susan Lynne Schwenger -- as Ashley Odell points out above, the profile that this tread focuses on -- John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow -- has a great many documents attached in the Media section -- at the time of this writing, 98 -- most of them added by you, and most of them not about this John Ruthven at all.
Could you move them to where they belong?
The sheer number of documents means that there is essentially no real information, since it's almost impossible to sift through them to find things that actually have to do with this profile.



Susan Lynne Schwenger
3/9/2020 at 11:50 AM
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YES, i WILL move them to where they belong
neal wanted to see them
in order that we both properly tag them



Susan Lynne Schwenger
3/9/2020 at 11:54 AM
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i have confirmed that tthe right one is 1688, not 1687 (not sure; where exactly the 1687 came from) ?



Susan Lynne Schwenger
3/9/2020 at 11:56 AM
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ashley
- we have been trying to prove the bloodline
between LORD 2
and, this fellow
- so, yes, all of the documents uploaded
are important to this blood line
-and, must be sorted to the correct spot
but, it all begins at JOHN RUTHVEN, music maker
if i scatter them all over the place
then, it is NOT easy seen
how all the parts of the whole puzzle fit together
i have likely put 500 hrs of work into this RUTHVEN THING
and, NOW, i think i have all the pieces of the puzzle
i didn;t upload them to one spot
to make life difficult !!!
i uploaded them, so, ANNE & NEAL could see them all
and, then, he could help me sort them to the correct spots



Anne Brannen C
3/9/2020 at 12:41 PM
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Susan Lynne Schwenger -- as I have written to you in several places, none of the documents you have been uploading are useful to the issue that you are interested in.
Here is what I said last time:
I went through the lineage you posted here, going back to John of Gaunt.
All of it is in Geni and is just fine, and isn't necessary to discuss,
UNTIL
we get to John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow.
That's where the line, as you have it, breaks down.
Nothing else is relevant, and all the extra information not only doesn't illuminate anything, it makes things very hard to follow.
As we have said, what is missing is evidence of THIS John Ruthven's parents.
We have evidence of him, and his marriage, and his work life, and that is all very clear.
And we have a birth record for the John Ruthven that was born to George and Elspeth.
You want for it to be accepted on Geni that John Ruthven in Glasgow is the same John Ruthven that was born to George and Elspeth in Stirling.
It is possible that he is the same person, but there is no evidence that he is.
Until that evidence is found -- if indeed it exists, which it looks like it doesn't -- Geni policy at this time is to leave John Ruthven's parents unknown.
Niel has provided an extensive explanation of the various issues about his parentage, in the Overview for the profile. So a discussion of the various pedigrees given for him, and the problems with him, is there.
That's where things stand at the moment.
No discussion of peripheral relatives, or other pieces of the line, will help in this.
The only thing that will change anything will be a paper trail that makes it clear that the John Ruthven born in Stirling to George and Elspeth later moved to Glasgow and married Marion Peebles.
It would be wonderful if their marriage record listed their parents! In some places, at some times, that has been true.
But alas, not in this case.
That is what we need -- it's only that link that needs to be addressed. The other pieces are not helping, because there is a piece that does not exist. At least as far as we have seen so far.



Susan Lynne Schwenger
3/18/2020 at 5:02 PM
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I have a family history that starts at
(that I Know of) John and Margret Marion Peddie(Peadie)
of 1695.
Their children I have listed are
Anne(1719-1814),
John (Apr.25 1721-?)
maried Mary Henderson on May 17, 1747.
A son who pass on in infancy,
James (1725-1808)
married Lillian Henderson,
Alexander whom died in 1727
and Thomas who
married Margaret Nesbitt,
Duncan who
married Jean Brown,

Archibald who
married Elizabeth Morrison.
Robert (1777-1852) who
married Margaret Thompson
(1770-1863).
Their son John (1799-?).
He stayed in Glasgow.
His children were:
Margraret,
Agnes,
Jesse,
Jean,
Mary,
Kathren
and John
.In 1863 he went to USA.
Alexander's children were:
Robert (1831-1910) single,
George (1833-1907)married
Christina Carins (1846-1932),
Alexander(1834-1870) single,
William (1835-1923)single,
margaret (1837-1916)
married William Blain,
Marion (Merne) Ruthvn (1839-1903)
married Edward handy
remarried William Satchell,
John Ruthven(1840-1916)
married Frances Stevenson(1849-1888),
James (1842-1929) married Eleanor Maguiness(1849-?),
Mary (1844-?) Married John Black,
Isobelle (1846-1939) married Patrick Fitzpatrick.
I got more and more information
about it my Grandfather
did all the research on our family history.
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/ruthven/79/
i'll check this with my records

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found online: connecting to stirling, scotland


William Ruthven

BIRTH
1548
Perth and Kinross, Scotland
DEATH
3 Apr 1584 (aged 35–36)
Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
BURIAL
Holy Rude Kirkyard
Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
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1st Earl of Gowrie

He was beheaded at Stirling on 3 May 1584 because of his leading involvement in the Raid of Ruthven and all of his honors were forfeited.

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Family Members
Parents

• 
  Patrick Ruthven
  
  1520–1566
• 
  Janet Douglas
  
  1530–1552

Spouse

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  Dorothea Stewart
  
  1551–1627 (m. 1561)

Children

• 
  Margaret Ruthven Graham
  
  1577–1618

 

1. John Ruthven (1688 - d.) - Genealogy
   
   https://www.geni.com/people/JOHN-RUTHVEN-1688-Stirling/6000000192021999…
   WebJOHN RUTHVEN - born 1688 - Born in Stirlingshire, Scotland on Apr 1688 to George Ruthven and Elspeth Elizabeth Hutcheson John Ruthven married Marrion Margaret Peadie (NOT margaret marrion peadie) and had 8 children. WE ALSO DO NOT KNOW if 1732 death is correct - there is NOT yet a record found

 

RUTHVEN ~ GOWRiE LiNE


RUTHVEN ~ GOWRiE LiNE

 

1038 Leofwine of Northumbria* LZGH-BK4 (LDS genealogy name marker)

1035-1070 Sweyn of Northumbria LZGH-BNH

1067-1127 Thor (Thorlongus) Sweynsson K1T8-8TR

1105-1189 Sweyn Thorsson Lord of Crawford LCTT-XD4

Elizabeth of England 1095-1165 LHHQ-BB2
1165- ? 1st Lord of Ruthven, Alan Ruthven KH72-25B
(began Ruthven Castle, renamed Huntingtower, Perthshire?)**
. Cecilla Maul 1190-? L857-949
1218-1245 Walter Ruthven M1W7-JJF
Cecelia Strathern 1215-? M8RK-F4X
1240-1298 William Ruthven 9Z4H-CVX
. --- 1250 - ? ?? 1277- ? L6FL-22G
1272-1330 Walter Ruthven KK1H-8HL
Marjorie Ramsay ?-? KJH7-WXZ
1295-1346 William Ruthven KJH7-W81
? 1302-? KK1H-F3V
1321-1376 William Ruthven L857-9WL
Joanna -? 1325-1363 L857-9WG
1343-1400 Sir William Ruthven LZDN-B7X
Margaret Logue 1329-1420 LV9M-FW8
1370-1427 William Ruthven LV9M-FS7
Isabel Larington 1378-? KZ4K-2RY
1397-1454 Sir John Ruthven LCR9-P55
1427-1465 Sir Patrick Ruthven L857-MTW
Mary Constoun 1432-? L857-MT4
1450-1528 Sir Wm Ruthven 1st Lord of Ruthven L6WY-7K7
Isabel Levington 1458-1513 L587-ML2
1478-1513 William Ruthven LZVW-ZMW
Catharine Buttergask 1483-1501 l857-MRN
1500-1552 William Ruthven LV72-CC9
Janet Halyburton 1503-1560 L41W-BWT
1530-1600 William Ruthven LV72-HRH
Mary Gray 1540-1600 LV72-C9Q


1566-? Williame Ruthven MLRZ-HLB
Marione Clerk MLRZ-HRM

1613-? Williame Ruthven MLRZ-H8K
Isobell Reed 1626-? LV72-WB4

1663-? George Ruthven LV72-M25
Elspeth Hutcheson MSFK-4LG

1688-1732 John Ruthven LV7K-1GR
Margaret Marion Peadie LV72-M4H

1721-? John Ruthven LV7K-BKV
Mary Henderson 1726-1802 K4JS-DHY

1748-1788 John Ruthven LV7K-Y1R
Margaret Witherspoon 1746-99 K85W-VCC == 27 level

1776-1852 Robert Ruthven LV7K-511
Margaret Thompson (Thomson) 1771-1863 LV7K-RX7 == 28 level