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    ISLAM IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST*

    By
    Doug Krieger


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    Ask Israel who is the Antichrist—and you’ll hear a resounding chorus in unison proclaim: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. For Israel, he is the reincarnation of Persia’s “Haman . . . the enemy of the Jews” (Esther 3:10). The glaring difference between the two Persians, Haman and Ahmandinejad, is obvious: Haman was subtle, surreptitious, and almost cowardly in his connivance—whereas Ahmadinejad uses an in-your-face-Israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map approach!

    The odious remarks from Tehran confirm Haman’s reappearance . . . “to destroy, to kill, and to annihilate all the Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day . . . and to plunder their possessions” (Esther 3:13) . . . as the USA, Israel, and Iran “have at it” . . .

    “Iran’s first target would be Israel in any response to a U.S. attack, a Revolutionary Guards commander said Tuesday (May 2, 2006), reinforcing the Iranian president’s past call for Israel to be ‘wiped off the map.’

    “We have announced that wherever (in Iran) America does make any mischief, the first place we target will be Israel,’ the Iranian Student News Agency quoted Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani as saying.

    “Dehghani, a top commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards, also said Israel was not prepared to go to war against Iran.

    “‘We will definitely resist . . . U.S. B-52 (bombers),’ Dehghani was quoted as saying.

    “On Tuesday, Israeli elder statesman Shimon Peres called on Iran to scrap its nuclear program and warned: ‘Remember that Israel is exceptionally strong and knows how to defend itself.’

    “President Bush has said a military option remains on the table if Iran does not agree to international demands for it to stop enriching uranium and open its nuclear program to inspections.” (Ali Akbar Dareinen, Iran Threatens Israel if U.S. Attacks Associated Press, Tuesday, May 2, 2006).

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    Threatening Israel’s existence, according to Israel’s army chief, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, would “constitute a threat to Israel’s existence.”

    Sure sounds familiar, doesn’t it? In mid-April, 2006, Haman-Ahmadinejad offered these invidious remarks to the general public:

    “The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was ‘heading toward annihilation,’ just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

    “President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a ‘permanent threat’ to the Middle East that will ‘soon’ be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

    “‘Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward ANNIHILATION,’ Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. ‘The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm.’” (Ali Akbar Dareinen, Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated, Associated Press, April 14, 2006). (My emphasis.)

    This overt reminder of Iran’s intentions is several fold: (1) It is inextricably linked to the threat from the USA—a threat that Iran utterly knows is for real; and (2) It is linked by centuries of hatred for all things Jewish and, most assuredly, Zionist—for as far as Iran is concerned, Israel is naught but the aircraft carrier that numerous Israeli and America proponents of the Israel-USA Axis claim it is—least of which is Rani Levy, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s advisor on “World Jewish and Christian Affairs”:

    “‘The U.S. has earned tremendous benefits in its Middle Eastern position because of Israel’s existence’ he said. ‘It’s clear: U.S. (has) interest in Israel to be a stabilizing force in the Middle East. Israel is like a stable, static aircraft carrier for the U.S. It’s the only democracy in the Middle East, the only Western-world society in the Middle East, the only country there that has any kind of reputable legal system, human rights system, judicial system. The whole fiber of our society is a Western one and it is the only one in all the Middle East.’”
    (Israel Welcomes Christian Support in Battle for Survival, Sharon aide says, Christian Examiner on the Web, Christian Times, September, 2002)

    Thus it is, that in the minds of Haman, Hamas, and a vast swath of Islam, Israel is the Western aircraft carrier—the epitome of decadence and apostasy—she must be destroyed!

    So, is Islam the final Antichrist?

    ISLAM AS THE ANTICHRIST—THE CRUSADES

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    From Islam’s immediate dominance, the Church let it be known that the Antichrist had risen upon the earth through a false religion:

    “Then came the Latin writers (in fact, priests) of the Middle Ages who got their information mostly from the Byzantine accounts, and from the personal contact with Islam during the Muslim rule in the Iberian Peninsula and the Crusades. Alvarus Paulus (d. 861) was the first Latin author to transform Muhammad into antichrist. Making use of the reference in Psalm 89, he algebraically substituted seventy years for each of the three and one half "times" and calculated that the end of Islam would come after 245 years of Islamic rule, that is, as he figured it, in the year 870 C.E. His friend Eulogius of Cordova (d. 859) similarly depicted Muhammad as the 'anti-Christ,' a 'false prophet,' the coming of which Christ had foretold to the apostles.” (An Analysis of Anti-Islamic Polemics, Dr. Habib Siddiqui, Quran.com)

    One of the seminal works on Muhammad as the Antichrist, and, if you would, Islam as the Antichrist “system” was written by Karen Armstrong: Muhammad: A Biography. Her synthesis of history pits the rise of Islam during the latter half of the first millennium against the backdrop of a resistive, and ultimately, a resurgent Christianity manifested in the Crusades.

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    It is here that Muhammad-Islam is, in her chapter entitled “Muhammad the Enemy” a political threat—a threat which became Christianity’s religious calamity and ipso facto Muhammad became the fulfillment of all that was foretold about the future Antichrist—the Great Pretender!

    During these Medieval times the dominant view was that Antichrist would rule from Jerusalem’s Temple and dissuade multitudes of Christians with persuasive and subtle doctrines, beguiling the innocent. The Christians at the time could readily see in Muhammad and his extension (Islam) that Muhammad was the perfect Antichrist, imposter, deceiver, and the precise fulfillment of the Christian prophecies.

    A “fictional portrait” of “Mahound” was concocted which literally stands for a synonym of “the devil.” Christian theologians faced a perplexing proposition: How could so many embrace Islam? Why would the Almighty allow this “impious faith” to extend its bounds when the world was supposed to be abounding in salvation through His grace and the shed blood of Jesus . . . ANTICHRIST MUST BE DEFEATED to substantiate Christian theology . . . this led to the Crusades!

    Ignorance prevailed as Islam suffered defeat after defeat—Christians were fighting “idol worshipers” who embraced “Apollo (the ancient Greek and Roman god of prophecy, poetry, and music sometimes identified with the god of light and truth or sun); Tervagant (French word for ‘a violent and overbearing fictional deity attributed to Muslims’—it’s English derivative termagant means ‘quarrelsome or shrewish, and Mahomet!’” (Ibid. Armstrong).

    Reconquista carried the day—1085, Alfonso VI conquered Toledo for the Christians and in 1095, Pope Urban II (1088-1099) gathered the knights of Europe to commence the liberation of Jerusalem’s empty tomb for Christ and the Church. From the Council of Clermont to the Cross of Calvary—the Crusades would destroy the Antichrist and the Kingdom, according to St. Augustine, would prevail upon all the inhabitants of the earth!

    As the new millennium arrived—the tide was shifting toward the Crusaders juxtaposed to the hated “idol worshippers” who worshiped a false trinity of gods.

    Muslims by the tens of thousands were slaughtered by Crusaders in Jerusalem in 1099 . . . their demise was justified by their despicable condition; they were branded: “Filth and Vermin.” Sounds ominously familiar to Hitler’s “War against the Jews” whose descriptive wore the same labels.
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    Throughout the greater part of the second millennium, Islam and Christianity were, in the main, isolated and estranged from one another—if anything, they were linked by the Lateran councils in 1179 and 1215 to Jews; they were considered common enemies.

    In the early 14th century Pope Clement V (1305-14) “declared the Islamic presence on Christian soil as an insult to God inciting further waves of violence and hatred.” Then, in 1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella subdued all of Granada—Spanish Muslims were told to convert to Christianity (then labeled as crypto-Muslims for many years; i.e., “phony Catholic Christians”) or face expulsion—even death if they refused.

    After the spread of the Reformation throughout Europe, and with it the shift of Antichrist from Islam to the Papacy, a more benign relationship existed between this newly-formed branch of Christendom (Protestantism) and Islam. At best Islam was but a failed version of Christianity; however, at its worst Islam was still connected—even more so, with Antichrist; to wit:

    “In expounding Daniel 9, Martin Luther noted that among others, the prophet Daniel was talking about the Muslim Turks, who at that time were invading Europe: ‘In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue will arise. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation … He will cause deceit to prosper and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.’ (Daniel 9: 23 – 25)

    “Luther wrote that the ‘two regimes, that of the Pope and that of the Turk, are … antichrist.’

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    “John Calvin in a sermon on Deuteronomy 18:15 maintained that Muhammad was one of ‘the two horns of antichrist.’
    “In his commentaries on Daniel (7: 7-18), Calvin put forward the theory that the Muslim Turks were the little horn that sprang up from the beast. As the Turks had conquered much of the old Roman Empire, much of the prophecies concerning Rome could apply to the Muslim world. Islam was one of the two legs of the later Roman Empire described in Daniel 2.” (The Challenge of Islam According to the Reformers, Dr. Peter Hammond, Frontline Fellowship – with special thanks to Dr. Francis Nigel Lee for his book Calvin on Islam, published by Lamp Trimmers, El Paso, Texas 2000).
    The Historicists amongst the Protestants continued to affirm that the Image of Daniel—its two legs—were the separation of the East and West and constituted the evolution of the antichrist system. The first president of Princeton University, Jonathan Edwards, wrote in his “A History of the work of Redemption” the following condemnatory lines against the Papacy and Islam:
    "The two great works of the devil which he … wrought against the Kingdom of Christ are … his Anti-Christian (Romish or Papal) and Mahometan (Muslim or Islamic) kingdoms … which have been, and still are, two kingdoms of great extent and strength. Both together swallow … up the Ancient Roman Empire; the (Papal) kingdom of Antichrist swallowing up the Western Empire, and Satan’s Mahometan kingdom the Eastern Empire … In the Book of Revelation (chapters 16 – 20) … it is in the destruction of these that the glorious victory of Christ at the introduction of the glorious times of the Church, will mainly consist…” (Jonathan Edwards, A History of the Work of Redemption)

    Calvinism—with its emphasis upon Christian Dominionism (inheriting the doctrine of post-millenialism from St. Augustine)—spared no shame upon the Antichrist as Islam:

    “In a sermon on 2 Timothy 1:3, Calvin explained: ‘The Turks at this day, can allege and say for themselves: ‘We serve God from our ancestors!’ … It is a good while ago since Mahomet gave them the cup of his devilish dreams to drink, and they got drunk with them. It is about a thousand years since those cursed hellhounds were made drunk with their follies … Let us be wise and discreet! … For otherwise, we shall be like the Turks and Heathen!’ (Sermons on Timothy and Titus – John Calvin, The Church on the Threshold).

    “Calvin pointed out that the reign of antichrist will be destroyed by the Word of God (2 Thessalonians 2:8). ‘Paul does not think that Christ will accomplish this in a single moment … Christ will scatter the darkness in which antichrist will reign, by the rays which He will emit before His coming – just as the sun, before becoming visible to us, chases away the darkness of the night with its bright light.’” (Ibid, The Challenge of Islam According to the Reformers)

    To this day the association of Islam with the events of the Apocalypse in the minds of ardent Protestants align the events of Revelation 6:3—and of the second horseman and second seal—with Islam’s wrath and sword upon the earth:

    “For a while, it must have seemed that the Moslems would overwhelm all of Christian Europe. However, in 732 at the Battle of Tours, a Moslem army, which had advanced into the center of France, was at last defeated by the Franks. Nevertheless, in a scant century of fighting, these Bedouin tribesmen, inspired by the word of Mohammad had CARVED OUT (interesting choice of words for this swordsman in light of the Seal 2 description above) an empire stretching from the borders of India to the Atlantic Ocean---the largest empire that the world had yet seen.


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    “From the above, it can readily be seen that Mohammad was indeed given a ‘great sword’, one with which he took ‘peace from the earth.’ (Go back and read Revelation 6:4.) He also, like Constantine, achieved success in two different ways: as a military conqueror and as a religious leader. (There are an estimated 1,000,000,000 followers of Mohammad today and, ironically, about the same number of Catholics.) (Come and See, Revelation 6)

    Because Historicists do not “personalize” the Antichrist—it is far easier for them to solely identify Islam (just as they have done with the Papacy) as the “antichrist system.” These remarks are telling and blatantly tendered:

    “‘Who is a LIAR but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son (as did Mohammad) does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son also has the Father.’ (Allah is not God!)


    “These Scriptures plainly show that it is impossible to know God unless manifested through the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus, his denial that Jesus was the Christ unquestionably proves Mohammad could not have been a true prophet from God.

    “However, Mohammad’s sincerity and power of leadership seems undoubtedly super-natural. Therefore, we need to ask where his power came from. I’m convinced he was under the direct influence of Satan himself, who the Bible says comes as an ‘angel of light’ (i.e., a communicator of information).” (Ibid, Come and See)

    During the 1700s a fairer interpretation of Islam was given—revealing, however, deep animosities between Protestantism and Islam:

    “In 1708, Simon Ockley, the well-known English Arabist, published the first balanced book, History of the Saracens, that gave a just account of the history and spread of Islam. In 1734, George Sale published a fairly accurate translation of the Qur'an titled The Koran, commonly called the Alcoran of Mohammed.... However, he appended to this translation, a highly vituperative essay titled A Life of Mohammed. In this essay he wrote ‘when the character of Mohammed is attentively surveyed—it is so shocking that it is a wonder that the country of his nativity has not been buried in oblivion. Any country would have blushed to produce such a monster.’” (Ibid. Armstrong)

    For a time, sundry scholars in the modern era like H. A. R. Gibb, Henri Corbin, Louis Massignon, Marshall G. S. Hodgson, Wilfred Cantwell Smith, William G. Milward, Ralph Braibanti, John L. Esposito, Annmarie Schimmel, John O. Voll, Yvonne Haddad, and Karen Armstrong—began to give Islam a more objective rendering; however, with the “War on Terror” and of al Quaida’s reach throughout the globe, those voices have been stilled. Instead, such invidious descriptives as “Islamofascist” (compliments of talk show host Michael Savage) are increasingly the norm.

    Now, in post-9/11, Islam has once again dawned the robe of Antichrist:

    “Today there exists only one religion that is intent on the total obliteration of Jews first, and other religions afterwards, and that is Islam. No other religion has hated more, or done more, so blatantly to rid the world of Jews and any other religion that refuses to adopt Mohammed’s twisted version of both Judaism and Christianity as taught in the Koran. They have shown time and again to be brutal and dominating, and as commanded in the Koran, can lie to achieve the furtherance of Islam. In this day and age, as clerics are yelling from Mosques about the ushering in of the Last Imam, we have seen Islam display the characteristics of the Antichrist as described in the Bible.” (The Apocalypse of Mohammad, Pete Fisher, Renew America, March 31, 2006)
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    The Neocon religionists like Fisher, have no problem identifying Islam as the Antichrist:

    “Mohammed began the religion that will see the world at war, but little did he know that had already been predicted. He was a prophet alright, but a prophet who lived contrary to any other. He was a prophet who lived by his lusts, by his contradictions, by his lies, and his sword, robbing and killing all who called him false. The same thing the antichrist will do when he arrives on the scene. Slay and oppress all who deny his global religion, and with the agenda to kill all Jews and Christians. The stage is set, the players are in place, and the deceit is well advanced to take by surprise those who trusted them.

    “Mohammed set in motion the Apocalypse when he began Islam in 600 A.D., now his followers are intent on making sure it becomes the reality the Bible says it will be. Much to the chagrin of Muslims worldwide, they are not merely following Mohammed and his evil, they are also fulfilling the precise events as foretold in the Bibles of the Jews and Christians thousands of years before he walked this Earth in his intent to destroy what God had blessed and usher in the Age of Death.” (Ibid. Pete Fisher, Renew America)

    KING ABDULLAH OF JORDAN—AS ANTICHRIST!

    Now, if this were not enough—a further reinforcement on the above-styled evangelical eschatology from Jon Christian Ryter emphasizes the modern deprecation of Islam as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies foretelling the coming of Antichrist:

    “Christian conservatives who have more than a cursory knowledge of premillennial Bible prophecy know that when Antichrist appears on the world scene [Rev. 13:1-10], he will initiate a peace accord with the Jews [Dan. 9:26-27], guaranteeing the security of the Jews for a period of seven years. While many of those same Christians believe that Antichrist must necessarily be a Jew for the Jews to accept him as their messiah (and others because of the description of the Harlot of Babylon [Rev. 17:1-14] have wrongly construed the Harlot to be the pope of Rome), Scripture clearly identifies Antichrist as a Muslim [Isa. 9:14-15, 30:31; Dan. 8:9-25, 11:21-25; Hosea 9:7-8, 13; Rev. 13:1-10]. The False Prophet, who directs the Jews to the foot of the throne of Antichrist, will be a Jew. He is scripturally described [Rev. 13:11-18] as the second beast, arising out of the Earth. Unlike the first beast which has 10 horns, the second beast has two. The horns of the second beast represent the Jewish tribes of Dan and Ephraim who led the Jews into idolatry as Israel settled the Promised Land at the end of the Egyptian captivity.” (Has Anti-Christ Arrived?, Jon Christian Ryter, November 25, 2001)

    Ryter then goes about to construct an amazing synthesis of human history leading to King Abdullah of Jordan as the coming Moslem Antichrist!

    “Unlike Saddam Hussein, who claims (but cannot prove) to be a direct ancestor of Saladin (and through Saladin to Nebuchadnezzar) simply because he was born in the same village where the Muslim conqueror of Europe was born, the Hashemite king has the most direct link to Mohammad the Prophet of Islam—even though the Saudi royal family also claims that distinction through one of Mohammad’s other wives. While Antichrist must have ‘first born’ direct linkage to Mohammad (in order for the Muslims to accept his peace initiatives towards Israel), Antichrist must have one other thing. He must have direct ancestral linkage to Abraham through Esau and Ishmael. It is that tie that links Antichrist to God—a necessary ingredient for him to be linked to the creation of mankind and therefore tied to Satan’s efforts to thwart God’s plan from the beginning.” (Ibid. Has Anti-Christ Arrived?)

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    Obviously, according to Ryter, King Abdullah fits the bill—and, of course, as one can surmise, the Scriptures can be made to say virtually anything one would or could conjecture! The preposterous notion of King Abdullah as the pending revelation of THE Antichrist is mentioned here—not to discredit this otherwise interesting evolution of Islam as the Antichrist, but how times change to conform to the whims of Christians—especially, historicists—even so-called Premillenarians—who find all manner of explanation to fit Islam into the role of Antichrist.

    Ryter’s Antichrist bespeaks both of a system, as well as a personification or embodiment of Antichrist.

    And, finally, it doesn’t get any more blatant than the following—from the pen of Jim Searcy:

    “Muhammad is the most successful of all false prophets. He is the greatest of Satan's prophets. He taught hatred as the substitute for the love of God revealed in Yeshua Messiah. He taught the self righteousness and hypocrisy of man as the substitute for the faith righteousness given to man by God through the shed blood of Messiah. In the last days Satan, the deceiving god of Muhammad, will greatly use Islam to assist the Antichrist in his war on the saints.

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    “The next Imam of Persia, or Iran, will be a major false prophet of Antichrist. Imam is used in the Koran to mean leader, guide, model, or sign. The Sunnites use imam as a title for the caliphs, the successors of Muhammad as leaders of the Muslim community.

    “Muslims are wide open for demonic possession. Muhammad received the gospel of Satan from an angel of light. Muslims do not have Bibles. Bibles are not allowed in Muslim countries. When the war in heaven is concluded and Satan's demonic hosts are cast down to earth they will have many human bodies prepared for their possession through the religion of Islam. The next Imam of all Islam will be a major false prophet. He will display spectacular demonic power and encourage all Muslims to follow the leadership of Antichrist to destroy bible believing Christians and Jews.” (Islam, by Jim Searcy)

    THE FIFTH TRUMPET

    There is, however, within the Apocalyptic drama, some amazing phraseology which MAY allude to a latter-day involvement of Islamic consternation during earth’s final week. Just prior to the “Sixth Trumpet” and the references to the “Angels from the Euphrates” and of the “Kings of the East” and their two-hundred-million-man army which shall descend upon the Plains of Megiddo to face the forces of Antichrist (Please see our article on EAST IS EAST AND WEST IS WEST—The Ultimate Armageddon), the announcement heard from the Fifth Trumpet: The Locusts from the Bottomless Pit.

    “Then the fifth angel sounded: and I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or ANY GREEN THING, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads and they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.

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    “The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. They had tails like scorpions, and there were strings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon. One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.” (Revelation 9:1-12)

    I include the entire passage verbatim because of its unusual frame and its proximity to the obvious references to the Kings of the East (Ref. Rev. 16:12-16) and the final campaign of Armageddon—“something” quite radical has taken place prior to this ultimate contestation involving demonic forces and descriptions which hereunder have references in history to some immediate applications of major import.

    Numerous Biblical expositors—historicists and futurists—have concluded that Islam is wholly bound up within the confines of the Fifth Trumpet/Fifth Bowl (Simply do a Google Search on: Fifth Trumpet/Fifth Bowl—Islam); and, of course, historicists extend Islam into the Sixth Trumpet/Sixth Bowl:

    “The sixth trumpet (Revelation 9: 13-21) was believed to speak of the Turkish Muslim power, dominant from the beginning of the eleventh century until the end of the eighteenth. Here the Apocalypse speaks of an army and horses that ‘issued fire and smoke and brimstone’ out of their mouths (Revelation 9: 17-18), and the exegetes saw in this imagery the Turkish use of the technology of canonry and gunpowder. To legitimate this view, they once again turned to Gibbon (Gibbon who wrote The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire).’” (A further irony: Apocalyptic readings of Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Canadian Journal of History, Dec 1998 by Stephen David Snobelen)

    The specificity of the historicists in their identification of Islam under the Fifth Trumpet/Bowl has credible worth in so far as the identification of Islam as the belligerent—this is not to say that their precision is altogether perfect; however, it does merit observation in that the five months mentioned in Revelation 9:10b (“Their power was to hurt men five months.”) coincides with history’s initial Moslem conquest:
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    “This represented 150 years as previously shown in this study for
    1 day = 1 year in prophetic language. In 612 AD Mohammed proclaimed his mission and the Saracen Empire spread as far north as Syria, and as far west as Spain, but in 762 AD (exactly 150 years later) The Muslim Leader Caliph Alimanzer built Baghdad much further east, and from that time on the Saracens began to withdraw. It's interesting to note that the normal stay of locusts is from May to September which is 150 days.” (The Three Woes, The Fifth Trumpet Illustrated)

    Historicists do have credible evidence in their identification of Islam under the Fifth Trumpet/Bowl; however, the timing or ultimate conclusion of the final advance of Islam was obscured by their immediate discoveries—notwithstanding, they do have reason for their conjecture; and, I suspect that their “sense of timing” has been severely influenced by current events which precipitate the commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week (although they may begrudgingly admit that the futurists are correct in this prognostication).

    “The following article proves that Protestant scholars of the past were not Futurists in their interpretation of prophecy. Instead, they were Historicists. Unlike modern interpreters who apply most of Revelation to a short period after the Rapture, these ancient heroes of faith applied the Trumpets (Revelation 8, 9) to actual events in the history of Christianity. As Dr. Daniel Botkin clearly demonstrates, our Protestant forerunners applied the 5th and 6th trumpets to the rise of Islam in Arabia. In the light of September 11, this interpretation is very relevant for us today.” (The Army of Locusts, Dr. Daniel Botkin)

    THE GREEN PERIL

    That identification is heightened by the association of the color “green” and Islam . . .

    “The color green is often associated with Islam as well; this is custom and not prescribed by religious scholars.” (Islam, Wikipedia)

    To know that GREEN is associated with Islam, listen to Islamic scholars who decry the West’s intervention into their culture:

    · The US agenda is centered around the new Green Peril. US congress has already conducted several hearings on the global threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
    · Every documentary on Islam and its glorious past is matched with weeks of movies showing Muslims to be evil, selfish, and ready to do what it takes for some cash
    · In the aftermath of the cold war, a new perceived threat to Western ideology has emerged. The new ‘bogeyman’ of the Western nations, and the centerpiece of America’s foreign policy establishment is the perceived Green Peril, the Islamic Threat. What is the basis behind this threat?
    · What is it about Islam that makes the West’s political system geared towards fighting an endless battle against everything Islam stands for? (Islam: The Green Threat, or Green Saviour? By Br. Ibrahim Abu Khalid [This article was published in the 24th issue of Nida’ul Islam magazine ( http://www.islam.org.au ), July - August 1998]
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    GOG-MAGOG PRECEDES THE ARMAGEDDON CAMPAIGN—ANTICHRIST VS. ISLAM

    In other words—what I am suggesting here is this: Near the commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week, as we have repeatedly pointed out, is the Gog-Magog War; i.e., the King of the South and the King of the North will “come up against him (Antichrist)” (Daniel 11:40-45; Ezekiel 38 and 39). It is this war that mirrors the events under the Fifth Seal of the Revelation. It is this outrage of Islam against the West and, conversely, the West’s distain for Islam, that precipitates the infamous Gog-Magog conflagration and, ipso facto, along with the” Treaty with Death and Hell,” heralds the 70th Week of Daniel.

    Likewise, just as Daniel 12:1 and the Sixth Trumpet of the Revelation (Rev. 9:13-21), or Daniel 12:1 and the events of the Sixth Bowl of the Revelation (Rev. 16:12-16), portend the final phase of Daniel’s 70th Week and the ultimate confrontation of the Kings of the East vs. the forces of Antichrist at the final stage of the Armageddon Campaign, even so, the fulfillment of Daniel 11:40-45 astounds:

    At the time of the end the King of the South shall attack him (i.e., Antichrist); and the King of the North shall come against him (i.e., Antichrist) like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. He (Antichrist) shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown . . . He (Antichrist) shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. He (Antichrist) shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels. But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he (Antichrist) shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. And he (Antichrist) shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he (Antichrist) shall come to his end, and no one will help him” (i.e., the final Antichrist-Beast at the Second Coming of Messiah)

    To suggest that the pronouns “him” and “he” or the possessive “his” throughout Daniel 11:40-45 are associated with the “King of the North” obfuscates the preceding verses (Daniel 11:36-39) wherein the very character and nature of the “King of the North” has transfigured—Daniel is no longer talking about the archetype of Antichrist, Antiochus Epiphanes IV (“God Is Manifest”), but of the actual latter-day Antichrist himself (i.e., The Willful King). Please forebear while I seemingly digress; however, these contentions are designed to substantiate the initial contestation of the Gog-Magog eruption juxtaposed to the final act of the Antichrist-Beast at the conclusion of Daniel’s 70th Week, Armageddon.

    Here, I simply quote one of the finest Premillenarian commentaries on this topic, Robert D. Culver, formerly professor of Old Testament and Hebrew at Grace Theological Seminary, Winona Lake, ID, as well as professor of Bible and apologetics at Wheaton College, IL and of Trinity Evangelical Seminary in Chicago—from his classic: Daniel and the Latter Days:

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    “Some interpreters think that Antiochus is the theme of the prophecy (Daniel 11) to the end of chapter 11. My own opinion (following the majority of recent Premillennial commentators) is that the prediction relates to Antiochus from verse 21 to verse 35, but that beginning with 36, Antichrist, by the designation of ‘the king who shall do according to his will,’ is the theme of the prophecy, to the close of chapter 11. With the view mentioned above, that Antiochus is described in verses 21-35, and that the history detailed is typical of Antichrist’s future career, I have no quarrel.

    “Yet I do contend that verses 36-45 are directly predictive of the career of Antichrist and of him alone . . . I mean to say that if verses 36-45 were intended to refer to Antiochus, the last great Seleucid king, then the author appears to be guilty of introducing error into the Scriptures. There is nothing known in history which corresponds to the prediction of Daniel 11:36-45. Evidence of this is the utter confusion in the commentaries of those who insist that Antiochus is the chief figure down to the end of the chapter . . .

    “The statement in 11:36 that ‘he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished’ suggests that the fulfillment of the predictions of the willful king is in eschatological times. ‘The indignation’ is another technical term out of Israel’s prophetical literature, referring frequently to the wrath of God on men in the last times . . . this predictive section corresponds so precisely with other unquestionable predictions of Antichrist that the identity of the reference can hardly be doubted.” (Chapter 5, The Prophecy Concerning Daniel’s People Among the Nations Especially At the Time of the End, Daniel 10:14; 11:36-45; 12:1-3, Robert D. Culver, Daniel and the Latter Days, Fleming H. Revell Co.)

    No—Gog-Magog—Ezekiel 38-39/King of the South and King of the North/Daniel 11:40-45 are not the same conflict, but like book ends, are at the extremities of Daniel’s 70th Week. Even so, just as the Fifth Trumpet of the Revelation comes before the Sixth Trumpet (Rev. 9:1-21); and as the Sixth Bowl comes before the Seventh Bowl of Revelation 16:12-21—so it is that the forces of Islamic radicalism vs. the forces of Antichrist will initiate and approximate the commencement of the 70th Week of Daniel—but the final conflict shall be at the terminus of Daniel’s 70th Week: Armageddon.

    BLESSINGS AND PEACE BETWEEN ISAAC AND ISHMAEL
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    The entire 70th Week will be one of conflict, the rise of Antichrist, the reign of the Beast, and the ultimate Battle of Armageddon at the climax of Daniel’s 70th Week—ushering in the Second Coming of Messiah or the unveiling of Israel’s Redeemer AND the fulfillment of the promises made to Hagar and the prophecies of Isaiah 19:18-25. No more shall the cousins—Isaac and Ishmael (today’s Jews and Moslem peoples), contend one with another. It is here that the sons and daughters of Ishmael and Isaac will be at peace and fulfillment:

    “And He said, ‘Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from, and where are you going?’ She said, ‘I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.’ The Angel of the Lord said to her, ‘Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hand.’ Then the Angel of the Lord said to her, ‘I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude.’ And the Angel of the Lord said to her: ‘Behold, you are with child, and you shall bear a son, and you shall call his name Ishmael, because the Lord has heard your affliction. He shall be a wild man; his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees; for she said, ‘Have I also here seen Him who sees me?’ . . . So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram named his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael” (Genesis 16:8-15).

    “In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it. And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the Lord, and He will be entreated by them and heal them. In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians. In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, ‘Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance’” (Isaiah 19:19-25).

    ISLAM IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST!

    The aforementioned does place an onerous prophetic disparagement upon Mohammed—upon the sons of Ishmael and the religion claimed by him through revelation; however, just as the Papacy is NOT the Antichrist, nor is Islam!

    The basis of this is not in the historical, nor in contemporary agitation of geopolitical consequence, but within Holy Writ itself. The confrontation of the Fifth Trumpet and the imagery contained therein is preliminary to the awesome implications of the Sixth Trumpet/Sixth Bowl: Armageddon/Kings of the East.
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    The preponderance of Biblical evidence does NOT incriminate Islam as THE ultimate Antichrist. This is not to say that major tenets of Islam and that of the Papacy, and for that matter the rejection of Christ by mainstream Talmudic Judaism do not contain “the spirit of antichrist”– but in its ultimate prophetic pronunciation—none of them bears the apocalyptic weight of the final Antichrist set to ravage the earth in his ultimate manifestation as the incarnation of the Evil One: The Beast!

    In prophetic essence Antichrist is the culmination of Gentile World Powers as foreseen by King Nebuchadnezzar in his dream of the IMAGE. That image is clearly a progression of Gentile World Power which commenced upon the Euphrates and extended to the Tiber River. It is the WEST which bears the consequence of Gentile extension and dominion. Furthermore, there is utterly no historian who will ascribe any other civilization, other than the West, as the dominant civilization of conquest and hegemony—especially in today’s geopolitical motif. That pervasive influence is felt economically, militarily, religiously, psychologically, technologically, and philosophically—to say nothing of the West’s supreme gifts of communication, education, medicine and entertainment.

    Sadly enough, that “influence” is also manifest, not only as “Egypt” but also as “Sodom” – for her monuments to civilization are overshadowed by her corruptions and debaucheries:

    “And their (the Two Witnesses) dead bodies will lie in the street of the GREAT CITY which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified” (Revelation 11:8).

    Indeed, the Reformers were correct that “Antichrist” is a religious system and that the “many antichrists have come” already—(I John 2:18); however, not only will this “system” culminate in Rome’s apostasies, but Rome’s political IMAGE will both revive, extend its dominance, and issue forth in the final personification as Satan’s counterfeit of the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ—“THE Antichrist is coming!” (I John 2:18a)

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    But, thank God, our eyes are NOT centered upon the Despicable One—but upon the One Who saw Hagar in all her rejection and distress!

    May our eyes see as Hagar saw: “You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees!” For: “Have I also here seen Him who sees me?” (Genesis 16:13).

    He does see . . . and our eyes can see the One Who sees us in our greatest distress, in our utter rejection . . . the sons and daughters of Ishmael have a well in the Holy Land whose name was given by Hagar: Beer Lahai Roi . . . “Well of the One Who Lives and Sees!” (Genesis 16:14).


    *Part IV in the series: ANTICHRIST IS NOT A JEW, THE POPE, ISLAM, NOR A JOKE
    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/dougkrieger/what_the_antichrist_is_not_pt4.htm
    ANTICHRIST IS NOT A NEW AGE JOKE

    By
    Doug Krieger

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    Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Annie Besant, Alice Bailey, Edgar Casey, Alister Crowley, Benjamin Creme—are the founders and perpetrators of today’s New Age Movement, false messiahs, antichrist hoaxes, and, in general, a whole lot of gibberish, deception and distraction. ​

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    Lethal, confusing, and Biblically tagged as magicians, astrologers and sorcerers who deal in “familiar spirits” and “divination” (Daniel 2:2; I Chron. 10:13; Deut. 18:13)—these are the charlatans known in worldly circles as channelers, pop psychologists, and pseudo New Age spiritualists who delve into seances, mediums and manifold quackery.

    Innumerable titles surround their confusions: Neo-paganism, the Occult, Theosophy, Satanism—in sum, the result of the failure to provide “spirituality” in an increasingly “secular humanistic” world compounded by an apostate Christianity—both void of true spiritual depth and meaning. A generally helpful analysis of the most recent of the New Age Movement can be found at Religious Tolerance.org:

    “New Age teachings became popular during the 1970's as a reaction against what some perceived as the failure of Christianity and the failure of Secular Humanism to provide spiritual and ethical guidance for the future. Its roots are traceable to many sources: Astrology, Channeling, Hinduism, Gnostic traditions, Spiritualism, Taoism, Theosophy, Wicca and other Neo-pagan traditions, etc.
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    The “Neo-New Age Movement” (akin to dating the “Neo-Babylonian 1000-539 BC period with King Nebuchadnezzar vs. the Ancient Babylonia period under Nimrod cir. 3500 to 2400 BC) started in England in the 1960s where fertile fields of theosophy and Spiritualism (a la the Fox Sisters) flourished.

    Small groups, such as the Findhorn Community in Inverness and the Wrekin Trust formed. The movement quickly became international. Early New Age mileposts in North America were a ‘New Age Seminar’ run by the Association for Research and Enlightenment, and the establishment of the East-West Journal in 1971. Actress Shirley MacLaine is perhaps their most famous current figure.

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    “During the 1980's and 90's, the movement came under criticism from a variety of groups. Channeling was ridiculed; seminar and group leaders were criticized for the fortunes that they made from New Agers. Their uncritical belief in the ‘scientific’ properties of crystals was exposed as groundless. But the movement has become established and become a stable, major force in North American religion during the past generation. As the millennium comes to a close, the New Age is expected to expand, promoted by the social backlash against logic and science.”

    Speaking of the millennium of the New Age—an ultimate tenet of this “movement”—is not all love and oneness; and, hardly is it the ulturistic paradise soon to be ushered in as the Age of Aguarius—full of “happiness and understanding.”

    “Dr. Carl Raschke, professor of Religious Studies at the University of Denver describes New Age practices as the spiritual version of AIDS; it destroys the ability of people to cope and function. He describes it as ‘essentially, the marketing end of the political packaging of occultism...a breeding ground for a new American form of fascism.’” (Ibid. Religious Tolerance.org)

    Evolution—and its many deviant expressions . . . social evolution, reincarnation, survival of the fittest . . . ultimately, some are simply more equal than others; thence, Dr. Raschke’s prophetic announcement: “A breeding ground for a new American form of fascism” (with all its ugly racial perjoratives and exculcivities—though most of those embracing the tenets of the New Age would be loathe to admit such a conclusion to their search for “spirituality” and “equality.”

    What identifies this amorphus movement—this hodgebodge of provocatures and charmers—can be categorized (believe it or not) into an awareness and conscious striving for the following utopian concepts and consternations:

    SHOP ‘TILL YOU DROP

    Under the “aura” of New Age one is encouraged to “shop” their beliefs and practices—whatever makes you “feel good” is what this spree is all about—including:

    · Monism – there is but one single source of divine energy in the universe.
    · Pantheism – “God” is all and exists in all – thence, we are all divine – thus, “God” is not found in Holy Writ – but within us all and we are in “God”
    · Reincarnation – Hinduism’s transmigration of the soul—where after physical death, the soul returns into another physical frame; endless repetition of this perfects the soul.
    · Karma – Linked to reincarnation – if your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds then you will be rewarded (or forbid “punished”) by ascending or descending into a “painful or good new life.”
    · Aura – An invisible “energy field” which surrounds and radiates out from the body; however, some “adepts” can materially discern this multi-colored rainbow and thereby diagnose one’s mental, spiritual and physical state of health.
    · Personal Transformation – Once one plunges into the depths of the New Age, marvelous and mystical experiences will pursue – props like hallucinogenic drugs can enhance one’s transformation; guided imagery, hypnosis, meditation—all “unlock” one’s innate potential wherein pure psychic powers, radically new understandings and healings of body, soul and mind are actualized. This transformation, when achieved by vast numbers of humans will result in world-wide spiritual, physical, and psychological revolution, transforming world culture to the better.
    · Ecological Responsibility – We must join forces to preserve Mother Earth (Gaia) which, like ourselves, is a living and breathing entity.
    · Universal Religion – If all be “God” – then all religious “paths” (i.e., “sadhanas”) lead to this ultimate reality. Eventually, a new universal religion will evolve and dissolve all differences: The Age of Aquarius will have arrived—leading to a New World Order.
    · New World Order – Age of Aquarius – New Age
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    Indeed, channeling, “spirit guides” and mediums, crystals (possessing “healing energy”); mantras and special chanting and incantations; new-age music (an actual genre); divination (fortune telling, Ching, Pendulum movements, Runes, Scrying, Tarot Cards); astrology (planet alignment and birth signs, etc.); the practice of “holistic health principals” (healing through acupuncture, crystals, iridology, massage techniques, polarity therapy, psychic healing, therapeutic touch, reflexology, etc.); and the consumptive “human potential movement” (individual and group mental and physical techniques are employed; including Esalen, EST, Gestalt Therapy, Primal Scream, Transcendental Meditation, Transactional Analysis and Yoga) – whatever it takes to bring in the New Age for you and the masses is available on the open market. And, with a little practice makes perfect—even you can achieve your ultimate potential, discovery the “God” within you is the same “God” within me—ad nausea, ad infinitum!
    The ancient pagans, the aforementioned modern-day neo-pagans, and their pop New Age associates—all find themselves in a mixed bag of “spiritual workaholics” determined to bring in the New World Order. It is this New Age, New World Order, Millennium, Age of Aquarius which interests us at this juncture; and, in particular, the emphasis upon the “Messianic Figure” who will be the final catalyst in this quest – signaling the time has come for Blavatsky’s “Manifestation of the Hierarchy.”

    Keep in mind, that this supreme figure is the ultimate expression of human ingenuity and endeavor—for “God Manifest” is in this one and through this one—for there is no need for “God” in the first place! This oxymoronic statement is duly noted in the convoluted writings of the one, Annie Besant:

    “No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism.” (Brainy Quote, Annie Besant)

    MAITREYA – THE NEW AGE MESSIAH

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    The ultimate Ascended Master will be the final Messiah—the Uber-Maitreya, according to the teachings of the New Agers who shall usher in the New World Order—this is the one who is the finality of all messianic types—those who have ascended into that spiritual state of perfection, to bring the earth and its inhabitants into that marvelous state of peace, love, and bliss. Who will be the “Chosen One” to effect such a global transformation?

    Oh, yes, the “Christian symbolism” and overtures in this effort of the coming New Age Messiah are legion and legendary—for they are many and “profound” to those who are “into” the mysteries—especially susceptible are “the very elect” (actually believers in the real Jesus Christ of the Gospels)—although they most assuredly think otherwise!

    “It is not for us yet to know the date or hour of the reappearance of the Christ. His coming is dependent upon the appeal (the often voiceless appeal) of all who stand with massed intent; it is dependent also upon the better establishment of right human relations & upon certain work being done at this time by senior Members of the Kingdom of God, the Church Invisible, the spiritual Hierarchy of our planet; it is dependent also upon the steadfastness of the Christ's disciples in the world at this time and His initiate-workers---all working in the many groups: religious, political & economic.

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    “To the above must be added what Christians like to call ‘the inscrutable Will of God,’ that unrecognized purpose of the Lord of the World, the Ancient of Days (as He is called in the Old Testament) Who ‘knows His own Mind, radiates the highest quality of love & focuses His Will in His Own high Place within the center where the Will of God is known.’” (The Reappearance of the Christ, Djwhal Khul through Alice A. Bailey, Alice A. Bailey from: "The Reappearance of the Christ" by Alice A. Bailey, Lucis Publishing Company)

    The gobbledygook is endless—as Alice A. Bailey’s Ascended Master, The Tibetan, was positioned to be the Christ of Love (Jesus the Christ—Occidental) and Christ of Light (Buddha—Oriental) personified into the ultimate Christ-Messiah of Love and Light! Where EAST meets WEST—proving that Rudyard Kipling’s “never the twain shall met” was wrong!

    “By the pouring out of the Christ life or consciousness upon the masses everywhere, and in every nation. This spiritual inflow will bring about the reorienting of human desire, and will evoke the emotional response to His Presence. This therefore brings the astral plane within the active sphere of His influence; this involves the release of the energy of goodwill into the hearts of men, predisposing them towards right human relations. It is this establishing of right relations which is the major objective of His coming triple activity. The masses everywhere will be responsive to the work and the message of Christ, as it is implemented from the mental plane by the disciples and initiates, overshadowed by the mind of Christ.” (Ibid. Alice A. Bailey).

    Indeed, this “Christ” comes in many “shapes and sizes” – but all are of God and in God – but the final revelation of THE Ascended Master will fulfill all until God is “all in all.”

    “The work and the teaching of the Christ will be hard for the Christian world to accept, though easier of assimilation in the East. Nevertheless, some hard blow or some difficult presentation of the truth is badly needed if the Christian world is to be awakened, and if Christian people are to recognize their place within a worldwide divine revelation and see the Christ as representing all the faiths and taking His rightful place as World Teacher. He is the World Teacher and not a Christian teacher. He Himself told us that He had other folds and to them He has meant as much as He has meant to the orthodox Christian. They may not call Him Christ, but they have their own name for Him and follow Him as truly and faithfully as their Western brethren.” (Ibid. Alice A. Bailey)

    THE SOURCE & CESSPOOL OF THE ASCENDED MASTERS – INTRODUCING THE WEST TO THE EAST

    Heralding the dawn of the Age of Aquarius is a woman – oddly enough, from German ancestry, born in Russia (just as my relatives were) - Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky who founded the international Theosophical Society. Her maiden name was Helena Petrovna von Hahn.

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    “Theosophy is a fragment of the ancient, once universal, wisdom teaching. The masters of Theosophy, located in Tibet and around the world, preserve and extend this ancient wisdom. Periodically they send forth one of their own - or a messenger - to help spread this teaching to all of humanity.

    “In the 1800’s they had been searching for a century for the next messenger and finally settled upon Helena Blavatsky, born to a noble Russian family. She saw the master who would be her teacher in her dreams as a child. She met him in Hyde Park in London when she was 20. She managed to enter Tibet and was trained by those masters in Tibet from 1868 to 1870. From 1875 through her death in 1891 she spread that message around the world.

    “Theosophy is the name Blavatsky gave to that portion of knowledge that she brought from the masters to the world. It comes from the term ‘Theosophia’ used by the Neoplatonists to mean literally ‘knowledge of the divine.’” (Blavatsky.Net Theosophy)

    A further backgrounder would be helpful on Blavatsky:
    “Helena Petrovna Blavatsky ( H P Blavatsky ) was born on August 12, 1831, at Dnepropetrovsk (Ekaterinoslav), Russian Ukraine, daughter of Colonel Peter Alexeyevich von Hahn and novelist Helena Andreyevna (née de Fadeyev). In 1849, at the age of 16, she married the much older N. V. Blavatsky, and some months later began more than 20 years of extensive travel, bringing her into contact with mystic traditions the world over. The travels provided a basis for Madame Blavatsky's claim to have studied for seven years under Hindu mahatmas (masters) in the East. She also claimed to have several times entered Tibet, which at that time was practically inaccessible to foreigners.
    “In 1873 Madame Blavatsky arrived in New York. In July 1875 she was urged ‘to establish a philosophico-religious society,’ and in the fall of the same year she became the principal founder, along with Col. Henry Steel Olcott and William Quan Judge, of The Theosophical Society. She devoted the rest of her life to its humanitarian and educational objectives.” (age-of-the-sage.org, H P Blavatsky)
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    And, what of her ultimate Christ—and the “externalization of the hierarchy?” Both Blavatsky (The Secret Doctrine) and Bailey (The Externalization of the Hierarchy) wrote extensively concerning the “externalization of the hierarchy” which would be the precursor to the coming of the Christ. Both affirmed that adepts would transverse the planet prior to and in preparation of the coming New Age Messiah.

    They and their adherents see in sundry events—such as the founding of the United Nations—the alignment of those forces bringing about the coming of the New Age Messiah:

    “May Christ return to Earth. This return must not be understood in its usual connotation and its well-known mystical Christian sense. Christ has never left the Earth. What is referred to is the externalization of the Hierarchy and its exoteric appearance on Earth. The Hierarchy will eventually, under its Head, the Christ, function openly and visibly on Earth. This will happen when the purpose of the divine Will, and the plan which will implement it, are better understood and the period of adjustment, of world enlightenment and of reconstruction has made real headway.

    “This period begins at the San Francisco (United Nations) Conference (hence its major importance), and will move very slowly at first. It will take time, but the Hierarchy thinks not in terms of years and of brief cycles (though long to humanity), but in terms of events and the expansion of consciousness.
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    “Therefore, we have at the meridian point of June 1945, within the mid range of the occult 100 year cycle of the constellations Leo, Capricorn and Pisces with emerging Aquarian energy, a definitive timeframe for the commencement of the externalization of hierarchy measured in events and expansions of consciousness of humanity.

    “As a worldwide group of sworn Aquarian disciples we can but thank the Christ for the inflow of Aquarian energy we duly and rightfully seek to dispense now.” (Externalization of Hierarchy, Manifestation, Withdrawal and Externalization, Jeremy Condick, April 2006)

    Blavatsky, Bailey, and Besant were all enamored with Tibetan Buddhism—for here on earth’s highest plateau is where the “secret doctrine” evolved and, I hasten to add, continues to enrapture the planet’s Aquarian disciples:
    In “Why is the externalization of the Christ important?” by “His Holiness Buddha Maitreya”—and as in most of “their writings” the mystical overtones and elaborate nomenclatures are relentless . . . but eventually they get to where all this is going:

    “It’s like Tulkus – their process of externalization has never been big for them – for Tibet yes, but not for the world. Second ray people are not interested in groups or individuals but helping all. Christ is second ray and so to move from the sixth ray to the second ray there needs to be an externalization of Christ.

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    So all these Tulkus that I’m coming to find are emanations of me that I’ve set up for 500 years and they’re me actually…and I’m my best student…So when I go out and deal with the Tulkus, I’m actually talking to myself, dealing with myself, cooperating with a great big reality and that’s what happens within the Hierarchy of the Christ Principle is that the Christ Principle is in a relationship of establishing an individual relationship with people – the Second Coming of Christ. It’s a collective messiahship. It works with the relationship of people being able to respond to the Christ AND being a disciple, not just being a follower. But what it means to be a disciple.” (What is the Difference Between a Second Coming and An Incarnation? By “His Holiness Buddha Maitreya” The Tibetan Foundation, July 13, 2003)

    Just about this time, one wonders where are the conspiratorial Masons when you need them—don’t worry, Alice Bailey knows this secret as well:

    “The Masonic Movement ... will meet the need of those who can, and should, wield power. It is the custodian of the law; it is the home of the Mysteries and the seat of initiation.

    “It holds in its symbolism the ritual of Deity, and the way of salvation is pictorially preserved in its work. The methods of Deity are demonstrated in its Temples and under the All-seeing Eye the work can go forward.

    “It is a far more occult organization than can be realized and is intended to be the training school for the coming advanced occultists ... in Masonry you have the three paths leading to initiation. As yet they are not used, and one of the things that will eventuate -- when the new universal religion has sway and the nature of esotericism is understood -- will be the utilization of the banded esoteric organism, the Masonic organism and the Church organism as initiating centers.

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    “These three groups converge as their inner sanctuaries are approached. There is no dissociation between the One Universal Church, the sacred inner Lodge of all true Masons, and the inner-most circles of the esoteric societies.” (Alice Bailey, The Externalization of the Hierarchy, Pages 14, 511, 513 found in: The Seventh Trumpet, Jeffrey Brackeen’s E-Mail News Letter)

    The following sums up where all this “externalization and New Age Messiah” is going:

    Constance Cumbey, who in the 1980s authored Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow and, subsequently, introduced the dangers of the New Age Movement (NAM) into the consciousness of the Church at large—in particular, the evangelical wing and how NAM’s incursions into the Church will prepare believers to a false New Age-style Messiah—wrote:

    “A vast organizational network today, the New Age Movement received its modern start in 1875 with the founding of the Theosophical Society by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. . . Strongly propounding the theory of evolution, they also believed in the existence of ‘masters’ who were either spirit beings or fortunate men more highly ‘evolved’ than the common herd.’” (Cumbey, Constance, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 44)

    Elliot Miller in his best seller, A Crash Course on the New Age Movement, described the New Age Jesus as:

    “The New Age Jesus became ‘the Christ’ only after purifying himself of ‘bad karma’ through many incarnations, and even now (as many New Agers believe) he is only one of several ‘masters’. . . (Miller, Elliot. A Crash Course on the New Age Movement, p. 30)

    Regarding the pontifications of Alice Bailey, Cumby writes:

    “(Bailey) . . . did more than anyone, except perhaps H. P. Blavatsky, to build the foundations for the ‘New Age’.” (Cumbey, Constance, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49)

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    In sum, the adepts or “Masters” will abound prior to the Age of Aquarius and prepare the New Age for the coming of the ultimate Christ, the Messiah—the Master of Masters. Many evangelical expositors affirm that such an externalization is nothing more than the increase of demonic activities and the fulfillment of Jesus’ words prior to His actual Second Coming:

    “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect . . . Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. But take heed: see, I have told you all things beforehand” (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22-23).

    EVANGELICALS AND THE COMING NEW AGE MESSIAH

    What Cumbey and David Hunt in his Seduction of Christianity accomplished in so far as American Christianity is concerned—and, in particular its evangelical wing—is the awareness and exposure of NAM into the Church, even the “believing Church.” Furthermore, they introduced the concept that the ultimate Master, Antichrist-Adept, would be someone fully supported by and familiar with the essence of the New Age; here, political Left and Right meet . . .

    (Cumbey) “created controversy with her belief that there was a conspiracy within the broad New Age movement concerning the antichrist. She has globally circulated a CD Rom with the title Javier Solana: Mystery Man of the New World Order and is publicly making links between biblical prophecies, in which she firmly believes, concerning the antichrist, the 10 member Western European Union, Solana and a November 22, 1995 earthquake in Eilat, Israel.” (Constance Cumbey, Wikipedia)

    Cumbey rejected New Age spirituality and propounded the notion that a vast “underworld” Aquarian Conspiracy proposed by authoress Marilyn Ferguson was nothing more than a final attempt to bring about a systematic implementation of an apostate one world religion. Evangelical Christianity had, in particular, become altogether vulnerable to such a conspiracy.

    Cumby’s many critics who felt her thesis was exceedingly flawed (evangelicals like Elliot Miller of the Christian Research Institute; Eric Pement of Cornerstone Community of Chicago; Spiritual Counterfeits Project of Berkley, CA; and Douglas Groothuis)—although they too rejected the New Age as anti-Christ—found the conspiratorial plotlines of NAM in producing the final Christ or Antichrist, fraught with inconsistencies and bogus reasoning.

    Notwithstanding those critics, Cumbey launched A Planned Deception in which she not only acclaimed her findings as accurate, but extended those findings to those same anti-cult ministries/critics who had been “infiltrated” by NAM itself!

    “These allegations led to further exchanges between herself and her critics. Her allegations were also examined and rejected by Bob and Gretchen Passantino in their book Witch Hunt.

    “Christian scholars of new religious movements, such as Irving Hexham, John Drane and John Saliba, have rejected Cumbey's position on the New Age movement as being implausible and inaccurate.” (Ibid. Wikipedia)

    CUMBEY’S ANTICHRIST: Javier Solana

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    Candidates for the Antichrist have been men in virtually all positions of public influence, the most frequent modern candidates: Charles Prince of Waleshttp://www.lionlamb.net/Yavoh/archive/print/Nov2001PN.htm,Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, John Lennon, various Popes, the European Union and recent Presidents of the United States. Some have taken seriously the suggestion made by the Left Behind series, that the Antichrist may be the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Since the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, theories about Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or George W. Bush being the Antichrist have been put forward. In addition, apocalyptic Christians such as Herb Peters and Constance E. Cumbey point to Javier Solana. This claim echoes the plot of the Left Behind novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins.” (Please visit this outstanding web site on an overall view of the Antichrist throughout history: Reference.com)

    It is this UN-European Antichrist of the Left Behind series to which Constance Cumbey’s Javier Solana hails:

    Dr Javier Solana Madariaga (born July 14 1942 in Madrid, Spain) is the High Representative of the Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and the Secretary-General of both the Council of the European Union (EU) and the Western European Union (WEU). He was a physicist who became a political minister for 13 years before serving as NATO Secretary-General 199599. Dr. Solana was designated to become EU Minister for Foreign Affairs in 2006.
    (Ibid. Javier Solana Madariaga)

    Quite the credentials, wouldn’t you say? And, so says Cumbey—here comes the Euro-Antichrist, the end-product of the New Age Conspiracy akin to Left Behind’s fictitious Antichrist domiciled in a United States of Europe: NICOLAE CARPATHIA.

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    “While I admit to saying Javier Solana could be a potential EDUCATED GUESS for an antichrist type, I have not named him . . . As a scholar on Solana, at this point, I may be without peer. I have read virtually everything written by him and much of it about him. I have read speeches by his brother, Luis Solana; his mother Nieves Matthews’ book on the life and career of Sir Francis Bacon, several books by his grandfather, Salvador de Madariaga de Rojo, and a book by his Aunt Isabel de Madariaga on the life of Catherine the Great. I have followed his activities on nearly a daily basis via the internet since November 22, 1995.

    “1. Solana's initial power base was the 15 nation European Union AND the TEN NATION WESTERN EUROPEAN UNION. xxxxx claimed on one of his pages that he deleted the ten nation reference because it was ‘an evidence’ that Christians could take as ‘the ten horns’ of Daniel and Revelation;

    “2. Solana did conclude and sign a treaty with Israel on November 20, 1995, two days before I made his internet acquaintance.

    “3. Two days after the treaty was signed, the Red Sea resort area of Israel (Eilat) and surrounding Egyptian country was struck by a massive earthquake -- one like much of the material I have placed on Wikipedia, was evidently the recipient of historical revisionism. Within a week, the 7.2 mw quake was downgraded to one only 6.2 in strength. [[2]][[3]] Also omitted from the time line on the latter account was the Treaty signing of November 20, 1995.” (User: Cumbey: On Javier Solano as Antichrist - Wikipedia)

    Folks, just when you think it can’t get any more complicated and surreal—the conspiratorialists amongst the believing Church—especially the evangelical wing—are apt to shock you with their latest:

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    “Those who are working to bring about the New Age are using a dialectical process in which seemingly opposed movements of ‘right’ and ‘left’ ideologies are actually working towards the same goal. In the end, the Joel’s Army Revolution (from Columbine/right-wing/Christian/Republican) will merge with Maitreya’s New Age Movement (from WTC/left-wing/Eastern Religion/Democrat) and both will be exploited to enforce the will of the Kabalistic Jewish empire of the Antichrist. In this way, the Illuminati are able to deceive ‘Red’ Christians/Conservatives and ‘Blue’ New Agers/Liberals at the same time. While Maitreya may say right now that he is against the unjust treatment of Palestine by the Israelis, with the above dialectical process in mind Maitreya might very well be working for the Judeo-Freemasonic conspiracy that will destroy the Palestinians. Of this, more will be said later.” (THE COLUMBINE YOUTH REVOLUTION RECRUITING YOUNG DOMINIONISTS FOR JOEL'S ARMY, Anonymous Author, Watch Unto Prayer Ministries, Barbara Aho (Source))

    Yes, Aho’s anti-Semitic Antichrist prevails—even in a Euro-Centric setting; of course, he’s a crypto-Catholic but of Jewish ancestry, no less!

    THE EURO-CENTRIC ANTICHRIST OF LaHAYE, LINDSEY, AHO, CUMBEY, ET AL
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    Well, we’ve come full circle. The Euro-centric crypto-Catholic and Jewish Antichrist of Barbara Aho (The Morovingian bloodline Pierre Plantard of the Priory of Sion (Please see: Antichrist is Not a Jew – Part II); Constance Cumbey’s fixation on Javier Solano, current Euro-heavy, and also a Catholic (who knows, perhaps a crypto-Catholic akin to Aho’s Jewish Kabbalistic Antichrist with Masonic links, etc.); LaHaye’s fictitious NICOLAE CARPATHIA of the Left Behind series and scores of other Europeans who have been infected by the New Age movement.

    “This is the first installment in a 12 book series based on the Bible's Book of Revelation. It concerns an intrepid band of hardy, but not quite good, souls who are amongst the billions of people left behind after the Rapture. Rayford Steele is an airline pilot who is busy fantasizing in mid-flight about committing adultery with one of his stewardesses, Hattie Durham, when suddenly a bunch of the passengers disappear. In what I thought were the best passages in the book, confusion reigns as folks try to figure out where everybody went and unbelieving husbands and wives pat down the piles of clothing their Christian spouses left behind. Rayford is one of the first
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    to figure out what’s happened, his wife was recently born again, and he realizes that if the believers have been taken to Heaven, then the time of tribulations is upon the Earth. He returns home to find his wife and son have been summoned, but Chloe, his skeptical daughter, remains. Together, they go to his wife's New Hope Church, where they surprisingly find the pastor, Bruce Barnes, who reveals that he never truly believed that Christ was the Savior. Over the succeeding pages these three join forces with Buck Williams, a tenacious reporter, to form the Tribulation Force. Their clandestine mission is to stop the Antichrist, whom they identify as Nicolae Carpathia, a Romanian politician who is sort of half JFK, half Slobodan Milosevic. The handsome, charismatic, multilingual, Carpathia plans to use the United Nations to disarm the world, establish a single currency and establish his own Global Village. Most folks don't recognize the insidious nature of his plan--it doesn't help that the true believers are all gone and all of the evil folk are still around--so the Tribulation Force faces a lonely, uphill battle; it is truly ‘the most dangerous cause a person could ever join.’” (Left Behind: A Novel of the Earth’s Last Days, www.Brothersjudd.com)

    The only twist in characters here is the fact that the New Age Antichrist is “spiritually-inclined” but very political in nature—and specifically, based out of Europe! Likewise, the United Nations and/or the European Union—along with other “international-oriented agencies” like the American Council on Foreign Relations, along with the various Masonic Orders, New-Age Catholics, ecumenical endeavors of all religious faiths, and, of course, the Kabbalistic Jews who are behind this mishmash assortment of Anti-Christus—all are energized to produce and coronate the one-world government headed by Antichrist!

    DARBY, THE BRETHREN AND THE EURO-CENTRIC ANTICHRIST

    John Nelson Darby’s pretribulational rapturists—enamored with a revived Roman Empire—believed Antichrist would hail, naturally, from the colonizers of Europe with their ever-broadening empires of the 1800s. Historicism had extrapolated events to their extremity but Christ was no where in sight. Enter Darby. He and his cadre of eschatologists appeared on the scene—Christ still had not returned, even after the demise of the Catholic Church under Napoleon! Time was up and still nothing of Christ’s return.
    Darby and his “Brethren” became the prolific Millenarian writers of the mid-1800s and saw in this European expansionism the footprint of Antichrist—the preparation for the final days. One such writer, Benjamin Willis Newton, colleague of Darby, was akin to today’s Hal Lindsey. He interpreted the Europe of his day in light of Bible prophecy.
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    Once the Rothschild’s allegedly cut a deal with the Sultan (Ottoman Empire) for the construction of a railway from Constantinople to Baghdad—Newton seized upon it as another sign of the merger of the Eastern and Western halves of the old Roman Empire: “Roman world, from England to the Euphrates” would have as its nexus, ROME!
    In 1859 Newton brought forth the theological implication of these developments:
    “The interests of France, Great Britain and Austria are more and more felt to be identical as respects the aggression of Russia; and this feeling Spain, Italy and Greece, will soon thoroughly share . . .”

    Thus, in the midst of America’s Civil War, Newton published (1863) his map of the ten kingdoms making up the “Revived Roman Empire.” It was made up of France, Spain, Northern Italy, the Neopolitan States, Austria, Turkey, Greece, Syria and Egypt, together with the British Isles.

    Newton’s forward in “Babylon: Its Future History and Doom with remarks on the Future of Egypt and Other Eastern Countries” (Third Edition, 1890), B. W. Newton was adamant: “On Israel, and on Western Europe chiefly will rest the responsibility of causing the revived Eastern Branch of the Roman World to be what it is to be.”

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    Indeed, the aforementioned contemporary apocalyptic writers see in the rise of the New Age, and ecumenism, the preparation for the coming Antichrist—Newton predicted as much at the commencement of the 19th Century:

    “The result of the late war with Russia has been to bring the Turkish dominions into recognised political connection with Western Europe...The ancient outline of the Roman Empire will again appear...At bottom, Mohommedanism, what is it but a sect of Christianity? When the Papists, and the Greek church and Judaism, and Mohommedanism, and Anglicanism, shall re-echo this sentiment, and when it shall become governmentally adopted by the nations of the Roman world, we shall soon see the ‘Ephah’ and ‘wickedness’, its inmate, established in the land of Shinar.”

    The dominance of “Colonial Europe” in Newton’s era was obvious—ipso facto, the Fourth Beast was the Revived Roman Empire in toto. Now, with the New Age Movement in full apostate swing throughout the world—the final “Master” – the false Messianic New Age Guru – would be from the dark side of a vast European conspiracy. Antichrist would ascend the throne of East-West Leadership in Europe!

    Yes, many are they—some dearly beloved by this author—who in the course of time have shied from history’s ultimate conclusion and embraced the Euro-centric Antichrist as if time stood still:

    image040. “Many excellent Bible scholars share this understanding of prophecy. One such scholar is John Walvoord. In his book, The Nations in Prophecy, Walvoord says: ‘A crisis in the Mediterranean area leads to the formation of the revived Roman Empire composed of a ten-nation confederacy. This is occasioned by the rise of the Roman ‘prince that shall come’ (Daniel 9:26) who subdues three of the kings and secures the submission of the seven remaining rulers. His successful conquest of these ten kingdoms, outlined in Daniel 7:23-26, makes the Roman ruler supreme in his control of this revived form of the ancient Roman Empire.’” (John F. Walvoord, The Nations in Prophecy, 103.)

    WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

    Well, for starters, the descendency of European colonialism, two world wars, and persistent nationalism throughout Europe—while, at the same time, American ascendancy as the world’s only Super Power is so hegemonic in its presentation and scope that one would have to assume that the discovery of the New World never happened to ignore such a geopolitical reality!

    America—that’s THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA—is the pinnacle of Western Civilization, the fulcrum of all that bespeaks of Greco-Roman civilization. To isolate a Revived Roman Empire to the eastern shores of the Atlantic is utterly preposterous! And, to adjudge Mystery Babylon the Great to be a literal city on the banks of the Euphrates is absurdity to the uttermost—especially when that logistic is currently and totally occupied by the United States military!

    The coming Antichrist—and I am confident that the future Antichrist will bear the marks of the New Age—is both the kingdom and the King of the final evolution and development of Western Civilization as seen on the banks of the Euphrates by King Nebuchadnezzar, of whom it was said: YOU ARE THE HEAD OF GOLD! (Daniel 2:39a).

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    To declare that Babylon is but a “system” neglects the Biblical fact that the Kingdom of Babylon was not the only thing in view—but the King himself! Antichrist is not simply a “system” but a person!

    Today’s geopolitical realities far exceed the world of Benjamin Newton—and, I am confident, that if Newton could see today’s world, he would assuredly notice that there’s a huge elephant in the room who completely overshadows all that Europe ever thought of being or ever could be; however, Europe’s EXTENSION, the United States of America, is that final outcropping—the 11th Horn of Daniel—both a Kingdom/System, with a King: THE ANTICHRIST.

    All that LaHaye, Lindsey, Cumbey, Aho, et al can hope for is the complete economic and military collapse of these United States of America so that Babylon on the Euphrates or Babylon on the Tiber—not on the Hudson—can fulfill their inane prophecies! Why am I so straightforward? Because their thesis of a New Age Antichrist being birthed in Europe to lead the world is so far fetched and unscriptural that it borders on a complete fraud, given the glaring facts of geo-political reality and of the Bible’s metaphors which bespeak of a progression of Gentile World Power.

    The deception is likewise straightforward: The Patriotic Church of America—galvanized around America hegemony as the “city set on a hill”—with its manifest destiny and Christian leadership role throughout the earth, is simply the only fortress that suits any immediate or yet future Antichrist: Nothing comes close—especially, Europe!

    Many of our writings have spoken to this matter—this article simply draws immediate attention to that fact, while its main thrust is to announce that the New Age is NOT the sum and substance of the future Antichrist (at best an underlying influence). Antichrist is not a New Age joke—Antichrist is a POLITICAL ANIMAL—first and foremost—a Western one at that, and, most definitely, the one who leads the West! The deception is rife, no doubt, but the lie abides: “Ye shall be like God, knowing good and evil” – the final eruption of the “liar from the beginning” – “The Lawless One” is just as deceptive . . .

    “Then the serpent said to the woman, ‘You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil’” (Genesis 3:4-5).

    “I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High’” (Isaiah 14:13-14).

    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done” (Daniel 11:36).

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    “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (II Thessalonians 2:4).

    “And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, ‘who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?’

    “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed” (Revelation 13:3-4, 11-15).


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    Appendix A – Antichrist – Reflections on the Desolator

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    Doug Krieger
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    The aspiring Assyrians are hardly thought of as the fountainhead of the final Antichrist; nor are their modern ancestors, the Kurds; however, the notion that Antichrist hails from Assyria – the land of Nineveh (founded by Nimrod), Assurbanipal, Saladin and today’s Kurds or Kurdistan (Northern Iraq and parts of Turkey, Iran and Syria) – is perhaps one of the most phantasmagoric ideas ever concocted in the marvels of eschatology – yet it is given extensive discourse and eschatological credibility far more than you can imagine. So, the Assyrian Antichrist must be Muslim? No, today’s actual Assyrians claim to be Christian! But somehow he’ll hail from either Syria or Assyria, whichever the preference of your local eschatologist prefers.
    This concept of an Assyrian being the final Antichrist is not as obscure as you may surmise – that is, if you even cared – but no worry, even if you don’t, the topic is most fascinating from the perspective of its recent ascendency (along with a lot of other screwball theories from whence this Despicable One originates – everything from the plausible Eurocentric Antichrist cropping up from amongst the nations now comprising the Western European Union (WEU – the so-called Revived Roman Empire theory) to a Syrian Jew (closely aligned with the Assyrian Antichrist but a bit off the geographical chart, notwithstanding the Eastern Leg of the Roman Empire seems to be gaining a measure of credibility these days). Or, if you prefer, those who aspire to a vacuous idea that antichrist is but a “spiritual phenomenon” beyond the reach of incarnate evil embodied in the Man of Sin throughout the ages in that there are, as the Apostle John remarks, “even now many antichrists have come, by which we know it is the last hour” and “he is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son” (I John 2:18, 22). That intangibility does little to tantalize the majority of Biblical literalists who refuse to spiritualize humanity’s innate quest for tangibility and relevance from the Scripture of Truth—keeping in mind and spirit the antithesis of Jesus Christ – as truly God and truly Man in perfect hypostatic union – is wholly apart from the truly anti-God, anti-Man, the Antichrist…he is of the earth, earthy, but in his rebellion the supreme angelic counterfeit of the God-Man.

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    My infatuation on this topic of Antichrist and his origins, apparently knows no end. Just why is that so? For one, so little serious theological study has endeared the subject amongst eschatologists – at least any that is not wrought with commercial exploitation of some sort (i.e. making a buck off the topic); a rather trivial pursuit of religious pop culture. That there will be such an end-time figure, most futurists conclude; and even perceive his timing to be fairly certain—at the end of the age and during the infamous Seventieth Week of Daniel’s prophecy, yet future. Most Historicists are so enraptured and entrapped with the Papacy as the “seat of Antichrist” (a sort of “spiritual reality”) or, of late, some have accepted the drivel of an Islamic personification of the Beast and his actual whereabouts, if found in the land of ancient Assyria, will most definitely be the Supreme Terrorist of the East (or the North, depending on your logistics), the Man of Sin, Gog himself – chief of the Islamic hoards yet to descend upon Israel (although this is somewhat complicated in that Gog is defeated, yet it would appear the Antichrist-Beast lives to fight on until destroyed by the coming of the Lord in glory and by the Breath of His Mouth; however, that can be resolved by claiming that the Gog-Magog War of Ezekiel 38-39 is actually the same war as Armageddon, a fete altogether impossible from a multitude of Biblical recordation).
    Initially, when I commenced my study of the Assyrian-Antichrist connection, I had no idea the extent of the speculation and the high-level of debate amongst Premillenarians.
    Perhaps the most significant harbinger of prophetic doom awaiting this hapless hazard called earth is the shocking fulfillment of the Abomination of Desolation, highlighted by Daniel the Prophet, while receiving immense credibility from Jesus in His Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14)—the incarnation of Satan into the body of Antichrist whereby the title of the Beast is given, coupled with the desecration of a soon-to-be rebuilt Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem signaling the final struggle between the children of light against the children of darkness. The ethnicity of this despicable act has significant eschatological consequence – for if sundry hypotheses persist then the exclusivity of Antichrist’s arousal from the abyss will be from the immediate north and east of Jerusalem – or is our restriction between Rome and Nineveh, between the Western and Eastern legs of the Image Non sequitur, illogical in its foundation, a false starter?
    Again, so little has been written on this ultimate desecration that Desmond Ford’s research on the topic for his doctoral thesis exhausted its study so quickly (in English). He was forced to fulfill his discoveries in multi-languages; and this too was an exercise in miniscule futility. In the end Ford resorted to the Historicist refuge and his Seventh-Day Adventist roots wherein the Abomination of Desolation is naught but an extended concept of the “spirit of antichrist” wrought through the amalgam of Church and State mixture (though true to a certain extent – it wholly obfuscates the Man of Sin and conceals his true identity). Yet, one would think, that at the conclusion of Jesus’ ministry, His Olivet declaration of this awful prophetic happening would deserve much weightier consideration.
    Thus, this miscellaneous writing shall be subjected to the text, Antichrist, Reflections on the Desolator as an appendix– now gradually rendered in podcast, so one may both read and listen to the text simultaneously – the final two-part saga of this verbose disclosure, for The Assyrian is legitimately one of Antichrist’s manifold entitlements.

    BLAMING THE CATHOLICS FOR A LITERAL ANTICHRIST IS WRONG!
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    First, and though this may appear tangential, it is necessary to clear the air a bit insofar as the literal Antichrist, yet future. Therefore, let me disabuse my fellow evangelical brethren who continually blame the Catholic theologian, Jesuit Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) for perpetrating the so-called falsehood of a physical Antichrist to arrive at the end of days:
    (Jesuit Francisco Ribera) [A]ssigned the first few chapters of the Apocalypse to ancient Rome, in John's own time; the rest he restricted to a literal three and a half years' reign of an infidel Antichrist, who would bitterly oppose and blaspheme the saints just before the second advent. He taught that Antichrist would be a single individual, who would rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, abolish the Christian religion, deny Christ, be received by the Jews, pretend to be God, and conquer the world--all in this brief space of three and one-half literal years!” (Prophetic Faith Vol.2 p. 490 – Seventh-Day Adventist Writing - Adventist Biblical Truths)
    Also – another Jesuit is blamed for a literal Antichrist:

    “There was also (Saint) Robert Bellarmine, Jesuit, cardinal and theologian who, as an outstanding controversialist opposing the Protestant doctrines of the Reformation, was regarded by the Roman Catholic Church as one of its most powerful defenders. He entered the Society of Jesus in 1560....He was a lecturer at the new Jesuit College in Rome.”
    “Between 1576 and 1589, in addition to his teaching Bellarmine lectured to large audiences. He insisted that the prophecies concerning Antichrist in Daniel, Paul and John, had no application to the papal power. This formed the third part of his Disputations de Controversiis Christianae Fidei Adversus Huius Temporis Haereticos published between 1581-1593.” (The Counter Reformation Antichrist? Who Could That Be? – From: Adventist Biblical Truths)
    Putting the blame on the Catholics by Historicists via the likes of the Seventh Day Adventists – who, like their Reformational Protestant brethren acclaimed the Papacy as the Seat of Antichrist and the entire Roman Catholic Church system as “the Antichrist” – is a blatant denial of historical fact – i.e., the Counter Reformation did not dream up a literal Antichrist to take the heat off the Papacy. For if that be so, then why did Hippolytus cir. 200 AD declare with great vehemence the coming of the future Antichrist – along with a literal yet to be fulfilled full seven year Seventieth Week of Daniel (unlike the Seventh-Day Adventists and their Historicist pals who claim that the entire seven years has passed or parts thereof – please see: Early Church Fathers, Our Prophetic Legacy by Doug Krieger? Let all the Seventh Day Adventists admit to their utter ignorance on this matter and quit blaming the Jesuits for a literal Antichrist! Shame on you for rewriting history! Please read Hippolytus’ entire tractate: On Christ and Antichrist – then be done with your historical revisionism!
    Furthermore, the first Latin Theologian from Slovenia no less, who prior to 300 AD (for he was martyred in 303 AD) wrote an entire Commentary on the ApocalypseVictorinus, bishop of Poetouio in Upper Pannonia, now Ptuj on the Drava in Yugoslavia, wholly confirms the literal Antichrist, yet future. Victorinus spoke of this future and literal Antichrist who shall come upon this earthly clod – and said so in its entirety (i.e., his complete work on the commentary on the Book of Revelation, unlike the fragments found of Greek theologians on John’s Apocalypse (Justin Martyr and Irenaeus; Melito of Sardis and Hippolytus of Rome) . . . “the Vulgate Apocalypse is a masterpiece of literature and comes home to the reader with a charm and a vigor all its own” (F. F. Bruce, see below for reference).
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    F.F. Bruce, though in fellowship with the Dispensationalist Plymouth Brethren, never avowed their eschatology; therefore, are we not surprised that when he supervised Desmond Ford’s Abomination of Desolation dissertation and proclaimed it to be in the tradition of the Historicists, therefore, Ford could find no literal Antichrist connected with the Abomination of Desolation? F. F. Bruce, however, and perhaps reluctantly, at least admitted to the early Church Fathers and their belief in a literal millennium prior to the Church’s subjection to Origen’s influences and the Roman Empire’s justification for the merger of the Kingdom of God upon this earth is literally now—we are living in the Millennium right now!
    Notwithstanding, Victorinus proclaimed a literal Antichrist yet to be, even the Assyrian: Assur is the Antichrist (See p. 363 of F. F. Bruce, “The Earliest Latin Commentary on the Apocalypse,” The Evangelical Quarterly 10 (1938): pp. 352-366). Nevertheless, the damage to F. F. Bruce’s understanding of eschatology was severely tainted by his own confession from the Preterist writings of one Phillip Mauro – a man whose eschatological writing deserved my utter contempt! (Please See: What is a Jew?, by Dene McGriff and Doug Krieger)
    “Phillip Mauro identifies the ‘willful king’ with Herod the Great. (Mauro’s study, The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation), came under my observation in my earliest teens, and made a deep impression on my mind which has not yet been completely effaced” (A Mind for What Matters, F. F. Bruce, 1990, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, p. 186). Tragically, the impression was made upon the brilliant Manchester, England brain of F. F. Bruce, who in turn received his initial poison from Phillip Mauro’s denial of the Jew, the Antichrist and the future Millennium and his disdain for Dispensationalism – Bruce’s flirtation with the Plymouth Brethren must have been a great exercise in futility for the Brethren! That said, Mauro and Bruce were ardent believers in Christ—simply terribly confused regarding eschatology – though Bruce knew full-well the conviction of the early Church fathers.
    “The first commentators interpreted the Apocalypse more literally than their successors: in
    particular, they accepted the ‘chiliastic’ view of the millennial reign of chapter xx (i.e., Revelation 20). ‘These writers were acquainted with the original interpretation of this chapter. But this interpretation was soon displaced by the spiritualizing methods of Alexandria. Tyconius, adopting these methods, rejected the literal interpretation of chapter xx, treated the millennium as the period between the first and second advents of Christ. Jerome and Augustine followed, in the footsteps of Tyconius, and a realistic eschatology was crushed out of existence in the Church for full 800 years.’ Justin, Irenaeus and Hippolytus all belonged to this school, and Victorinus followed in their steps. “Like them he was a Chiliast, and still preserved elements of the true and ancient interpretation. of the Apocalypse according to the Contemporary-Historical Method. Thus Nero redivivus is the first Beast, and the False Prophet is the second. But his most important contribution historically is his ‘Theory of Recapitulation.” (Ibid)
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    Furthermore, although Victorinus acclaims the future Antichrist as the Assyrian (perhaps not a literal one but an archetype of Antichrist yet to come) he is absolutely clear regarding the full Seventieth Week of Daniel yet future to the astounding chagrin of those believers among the Seventh Day Adventists and others persuaded by the Reformational Protestants that the whole or portions of the seven-year time frame have been fulfilled—i.e., there is no future antagonist known as the literal Antichrist:
    “After these two have prophesied for three and a half years (Note: The first 3.5 years.), they are killed by the beast which comes up from the abyss, and rise again after three days and a half, i.e. “on the fourth day”, not on the third, “that none might be found equal to God.’ The beast or Antichrist, who then proceeds to reign for a further period of three and a half years (Note: The next 3.5 years – and, though unclear, Victorinus places the 3.5 days after the Abomination of Desolation which we affirm to be the same 3.5 years of the Reign of the Antichrist-Beast), Victorinus finds foretold by Isaiah (viii. 7) and Ezekiel (xxxi. 3) as the king of Assyria or the Assyrian, and by Paul (2 Thess. ii. 3ff.) as the man of lawlessness or the lawless one.” (Ibid. F. F. Bruce, p. 363)
    ASSYRIA AND BABYLON – HEREIN IS THE LINK
    Now, much ancient Assyrian history or the Neo-Assyrian Kingdom/Era in this constriction will have to suffice severe abridgement. Notwithstanding my rejection of the literal, ethnic Assyrian Antichrist, there are some amazing eschatological connections of Assyria with the coming of the future Antichrist…but first…
    “Ancient Assyria’s timeline spans from 5000 BCE, when its first sites were inhabited, to 609 BCE when Ashur-Uballit II, the last Assyrian king, retreated in defeat at Harran. Ancient Assyria is the term used to
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    describe a region on the Upper Tigris River, named for its original capital, the ancient city of Assur. According to some Judeo-Christian traditions, the city of Ashur was founded by Ashur the son of Shem, who was deified by later generations as the city’s patron god.”
    “The upper Tigris River valley seems to have been ruled from Sumer, Akkad, and northern Babylonia in its earliest stages, and was part of Sargon the Great's empire. Assyria proper was located in a mountainous region, extending along the Tigris as far as the high Gordiaean or Carduchian mountain range of Armenia, sometimes called the ‘Mountains of Ashur.’” (Ancient Assyria, Ancient Metaphysics – the Foundations of Philosophy – Note: I do not concur with all these inclusions from the Foundations of Philosophy but they are, in the main, accurate.)
    Assyria’s fascination for astronomy and ipso facto astrology was extensive – invention of the world’s first telescopic lens can be found in the British Museum in room 55, case 9 of the Lower Mesopotamian Valley; unearthed in 1850 from the Nimrud Palace Complex in northern Iraq by Sir John Layard (Ibid.).
    Their passion for astrology knew no end – you might say they were so enthralled with its divinations that their entire society centered on the subject; to wit:
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    “Using Astrology, for the interpretation of omens, some of Assurbanipal's astrologers, such as Rammanu-sumausar and Nabu-musisi, became so adept at interpreting omens from daily movements of the planets that a system of making periodical reports to the king came into being.” (Ibid. Ancient Assyria, Ancient Metaphysics)
    To the Assyrians the planets were the gods…
    “The planets were truly gods, not mere celestial bodies. What we now call the planet Venus was the goddess Ishtar, for example, and similarly Jupiter was Marduk, the chief Babylonian god. However, neither the 360º Zodiac, nor (the) 30º Zodiac divisions were as yet used astrologically to describe the position of the planets.” (Babylonian-Assyrian Ittu [Omen] Astrology Before 550 BC)
    The Assyrian connection becomes all the more illuminated insofar as the historicity and theological implications derived from these associations:
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    “NIMROD (ii, 'n3; Septuagint, NE,6pw& : various reading in Gen. 10:8, NE t 3pc.v: Vulg. Nemrod). Nimrod is only mentioned in three passages in the Bible; in Micah 5:6 Assyria is called ‘the land of Nimrod,’ and I Chron. 1:10 quotes a portion of the third, the most important reference, Gen. 10:8-12. The last named is ascribed to one of the oldest writers of the Pentateuch, the Yahwist; but not perhaps to the oldest stratum of his work (Ball, Sacred Books of the Old Testament). In Gen. 10:8, as Jabal was the inventor of music, so Nimrod was the first warrior, gibbor, the first hunter, ‘he became a mighty hunter, gibbor cayidh, before Yahweh, so that it is said, ‘A mighty hunter before Yahweh like Nimrod’; the first builder of cities and ruler of a widespread dominion, ‘the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad and Calneh in the land of Shinar. Out of that land he went forth into Assyria,’ and built Nineveh, Rehoboth, Ir, Calah and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (the same is the great city).’ The general statement that Assyria was originally an offshoot and dependence of Babylon is substantially in accordance with Assyrian and Babylonian authorities.” (Nimrod, Classic Encyclopedia)
    There is slight confusion as to the identity of Nimrod—just who built Nineveh (was it Asshur or was it Nimrod; was it the Assyrian or was it Nimrod?). The Darby Version is helpful but all the more mystery surrounds…
    8And Cush begot Nimrod: he began to be mighty on the earth.
    9He was a mighty hunter before (Lit: against) Jehovah; therefore it is said, As Nimrod, the mighty hunter before Jehovah!
    10And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
    11From that land went out Asshur, and built Nineveh, and Rehoboth-Ir, and Calah,
    12and Resen, between Nineveh and Calah: this is the great city.
    We also find:
    “The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim , Put, and Canaan…Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth…Canaan begot Sidon (as in ‘Tyre and Sidon’)” and the race of the Canaanites commenced (I Chronicles 1:8-13).
    Previously, we have discussed these Biblical linkages regarding Noah’s “curse” upon Ham which befell on Canaan (Genesis 9:25 – “Cursed be Canaan” – who defamed the man (Noah) created in the “image of God”) – the 11 sons of Canaan (Genesis 10:15-18) are juxtaposed to the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel (“11” in numerology bears witness to Antichrist—the 11th horn and to Judas Iscariot making the 12 disciples 11; whereas, 12 is the divine calculation of the Triune God (3) times the creation of man (4) = 12 or God and man in multiple harmony and relationship). Here we have the “struggle” for the land until this day. The word “Canaan” actually means “Merchant” – herein lies the epistemological origins of commercialism and its linkage (King of Tyre; of the Canaanites, the Phoenicians, the Punic people and Ships/Merchants of Tarshish—the Western trading nations) to Israel’s apostasy (Jezebel and King Ahab) until Babylon’s commercial exploitations (Revelation 18) are consumed by fiery judgment at the close of this age and the prophetic pronouncements of Zechariah are heard in the House of the Lord: “In that day (i.e., the Millenarian Reign of Messiah) there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts” (Zechariah 14:21)…our “prosperity gospel” folks and their incessant commercial prattling will cease and desist once and for all!
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    Although commercialism abides within the “curse of Canaan” – with religious overtones (apostasy – and, indeed, when commercialism is mixed with religion it is thence bedeviled as “apostasy” and this is precisely why distinguishing “religious Babylon” as found in Revelation 17 with “commercial Babylon” found in Revelation 18 is nigh so similar in its composition that it appears that “religious Babylon” and “commercial Babylon” are one in the same – just as it was in the days of Jezebel and King Ahab) – political Babylon is definitely associated with Nimrod’s exploits, whose defiance against the Lord, as well as his reliance upon political will and armaments, coupled with religion, make him an ideal prototype of the final Antichrist. Therefore, Nimrod’s connection with Antichrist is altogether plausible for Nimrod’s astrological fascinations are renowned (See: Rev. Alexander Hislop’s: The Two Babylons – The Worship of Nimrod and his Wife, Chapter 2, Section 2, Sub-Section 1, The Child in Assyria)
    It is, therefore, no small affair as Assyria, prior to Babylon, moved upon Israel’s 10 Northern Tribes, bringing them into captivity in 772 BC (the so-called Ten Lost Tribes). Then Neo-Babylonia under King Nebuchadnezzar took the remainder of the Israelites from Judah and Benjamin, deporting them in 597 BC. Therefore, the linkage of Assyria – Nimrod – Babylon is most probable; and surely, to wholly distinguish the “land of the north” as wholly Babylon without Assyrian influences and approximations borders on intellectual myopia (Ref. Zechariah 2:6; 6:6, 8)…this brings us to the ASSYRIAN ANTICHRIST; from whence its origins?
    The enigma abides: Did Nimrod go out and build Nineveh or did Asshur go out and build Nineveh?
    Assyria is referred to as the “land of Nimrod” (Micah 5:6). Chuck Missler (Personal Update, October, 2002, p.8) suggests that “It is provocative that the Prophet Micah refers to this final conqueror as the ‘Assyrian.’” So the issue persists: The futurity of Micah 5:5-15 casts Israel in her Millenarian role (Note: Both Dwight Pentecost and Tim LaHaye assert the Antichrist timeframe of these passages – see Pentecost, Things To Come, p. 352 and Tim LaHaye’s Prophecy Study Bible, p. 960). “The remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many peoples” and “Thus He (Messiah) shall deliver us from the Assyrian, when he (i.e., the Assyrian) comes into our land and when he treads within our borders” (Micah 5:6). Therefore, from “the Assyrian” who is from “the land of Assyria” which in like manner is called “the land of Nimrod,” can we, therefore, take “Assyria” literally?


    PHILLIP GOODMAN AND THE ETHNIC REVIVED ASSYRIA AND THE ASSYRIAN ANTICHRIST
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    Perhaps one of the most vociferous proponents of the “literal Assyrian” Antichrist hypothesis is one, Phillip Goodman, who is the director of the current and very popular annual Prophecy Conference held in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Goodman has his naysayers who, like David Reagan of Lamb and Lion Ministries (Article Titled: Antichrist A Moslem ? “The Assyrian Connection”) refute Goodman’s well-articulated conjectures – and, although I do not support the literal Assyrian (or, most definitely, not a reincarnation of Nimrod) as the Antichrist so proposed by a Peter Goodgame (not Phillip Goodman), I do respect his intelligent and cogent arguments propounded in his thesis; to wit:
    1) The specific identity of the Beast lies in the identity of the “slain” Head.
    a) Though 6 of the 7 Heads of the Beast live, the Beast does not live until the “slain” Head comes to life.
    2)
    The 7 heads are 7 Mountain-Kings, that is, 7 Empires.
    a) Among the 4 Kingdoms of Dan 2, the “king” of Babylon is also the “kingdom” of Babylon (Dan. 2:38-39), which is also a “mountain” (Jer. 51:25), & Greece has 4 “heads” (Dan. 7:6) which are also 4 Grecian “kingdoms” (Dan. 8:22), & all of these are superseded by the “kingdom” of Christ (Dan. 2:44) which is also a great “mountain” (Dan. 2:35).
    b) Before Satan gives his accumulated worldly Empires to the Beast, these same “7 heads” are seen under his control with crowns on them (Rev. 12:3)—signifying Satan’s temporary kingship over kingdoms (Matt. 4:8-10; John 12:31).
    c) Daniel 7 shows 4 Beast Empires with a total of 7 Heads. Revelation 13 shows the same 4 Beast Empires joined together into a single composite Beast Empire, but with the same 7 Heads. Since the 7 Heads of Daniel 7 are Empire-Heads, so too must the 7 Heads of Revelation 13 be Empire-Heads.
    3)
    The 7 Empires are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome I (Note: Meaning the Roman Empire of antiquity) and the Ottoman Empire.
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    (Krieger’s Note: It is absurd to project the Ottoman Empire in the context of John’s Apocalypse in that John is writing from “These are also seven kings (i.e., Gentile World Powers juxtaposed to Israel) five have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece), one is (Roman Empire of antiquity), and the other has not yet come.” For Goodman to assert this “one to come” is the Ottoman Empire is both ludicrous and utter conjecture in that the Ottoman Empire had dissolved prior to Israel’s rebirth in 1948 and is inconsequential to Israel’s future history, or he conjectures that Assyria shall revive and since it was once a part of the Ottoman Empire, then his thesis holds firm; furthermore, the Ottoman Empire could hardly be considered “a short time” – its duration was nigh 600+ years ending in 1923)
    a) Of the kingdoms impacting Israel’s history and prophetic future, all are comparative molehills alongside the 7 “mountain-size” kingdoms—or Empires—which dominated the world of their times.
    4)
    Chronologically, one of the Empires has a double existence because the Beast comes as an 8th Empire—yet there are only 7!
    (Krieger Note: To suggest that the Ottoman Empire, Goodman’s Seventh, is Revived as the Eighth, is stretching the metal – and makes the “base of Antichrist” the Revival of ancient Assyria and/or somehow its own Caliphate or Moslem Empire ready to descend upon Israel as Gog – which in point of biblical fact would be Antichrist vs. Antichrist – utter nonsense and, frankly, somewhat absurd! Furthermore, Goodman must, to be consistent with his argument, produce a literal Assyrian as Antichrist in that his Ottoman-Assyrian connection makes it mandatory.)
    a) The Beast has only 7 heads—not 8 (Rev. 13:1 & Rev 17:3, 7, 9, 11).
    b) Head 8, then, is one of the 7—just as Rev. 17:11 says.
    c) Therefore, one of the heads—or Empires—has a double existence!

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    (Krieger Note: Indeed, Goodman’s “double existence” is altogether clear to this proponent of the Antichrist being the apex of Western Man, the pinnacle of Gentile World Power (which, of course, is currently embodied in the leadership of the United States of America—a proposition that most of the “patriotic prophets” both abhor and are determined to diminish to the uttermost in order to make room for the WEU expression of Antichrist; or, as is the case of their affiliate, Goodman, the eastern leg of the former Roman Empire or the Seventh King, Ottoman Empire and its wounded-head counterpart, the ancient Revived Assyrian Empire and THE Assyrian himself as Antichrist, perhaps even the reincarnation of none other than Nimrod, juxtaposed to the future Revived Roman Empire, and let’s say, the reincarnation of Nero.
    (Krieger Casual Note: To say that Bible prophecy is not predictive is absurd – sorry, Barbara Rossing in her inane attempts to trifle with evangelical fundamentalism in her The Rapture Exposed – it is predictive; by definition Biblical prophecy foresees the future – we eschatologists simply disagree a whole lot sometimes, but it does not make Bible prophecy less predictive.)
    Goodman, very cleverly asserts that the Seventh Empire to come is the Ottoman Empire, surely not connected to anything Western or Roman in its origins. He toys with the Ottoman Empire in that its jurisdiction occupied much of the Eastern Roman Empire—but could hardly be considered “a short time.” Likewise, he therefore creates another major break in the evolution of empires yet future – a break between the Seventh and the Eighth empire of Revelation—which is not supported by the text. The only Seventh Empire who has had major interplay with Israel in the present constellation of world nations and powers has been the United States of America.
    That said, the “Seventh King” is Daniel’s “Seventh Head” (Rev. 17:10; Daniel 7:7) with Ten Horns and mirrors the Seven-Headed, Ten-Horned Beast of Revelation 17:9-14. Simply put, the Fourth Beast found in Daniel 7 is not specifically the ancient Roman Empire (as G.H. Lang cautions – p. 190, Appendix A, The Histories and Prophecies of Daniel – though it must be considered the “fourth in succession” to the original three—i.e., the ultimate and final outburst of Gentile World Power) – neither is the Seven-Headed/Ten-Horned Beast from the Abyss in Revelation 13:1-2 specifically an expression of a Revived Roman Empire or, in Goodman’s case, a Revived Assyrian Empire or national identity, but is wholeheartedly the expression and culmination, as well as composite, of Gentile World Power. The closest that Daniel comes to Rome’s immediate prophetic imposition in history is found in Daniel 9:26 wherein “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” prior to the historic interlude between Jerusalem’s first destruction in 70 AD and her latter-day “defense pact/covenant” with the “Coming Prince” (See: Sir Robert Anderson’s The Coming Prince). The “prince who is to come” does not directly destroy the Herodian Temple, for this one is surely the antithesis of Messiah the Prince (Daniel 9:25) and must be considered as the Antichrist or the

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    anti-Prince, for this destroyer’s people (which cannot describe Messiah the Prince) laid waste to Jerusalem and her temple in 70 AD and were most assuredly led by Titus of Rome. The notion that these Roman soldiers hailed, in the main, from ancient Assyria or Syria, and therefore adds credibility to Goodman’s arguments, is utter nonsense – no, all of history demands that Roman Legions destroyed Jerusalem and the Herodian Temple. Furthermore, “the people of the prince” confirms that this “coming prince” who destroys and makes desolate, the ultimate desolator, is connected to those who destroyed Jerusalem and the Second Temple. It is that relationship which demands the WESTERN character (not necessarily the Rome, Italy character) of the future Antichrist – not necessarily a Revived Roman Empire but, most definitely, the uttermost extension and assuredly, the leadership of the West…that is without equivocation.
    For the “Seventh Head/Seventh King” who sprouts Ten Heads/Ten Horns/Ten Crowns from whence outcrops the Eleventh Horn, can be none other than Daniel’s Anti-Prince, the Antichrist; therefore, as this Anti-Prince’s culmination of final Gentile World Power descends upon the final stage of prophetic fulfillment he must be referred to as now only “the prince who is to come” but “the other has not yet come…and when he comes, he must continue a short time” (indeed, this is NOT the longevity of the Ottoman Empire of Goodman, for it lasted nigh 623 years – unless Goodman’s idea of “a short time” is different from mine)
    5)
    There are 3 chronological periods in Revelation 17 that are framed around John’s time (the time of Rome) and outline a chronological order of existence for both the 7 Empires and for the Beast & his Empire.
    a) Jesus Christ sets a precedent in Rev. 1:19 for a past, present, and future chronological system in Revelation.
    b) This system is confirmed—with John himself as the reference point—by the Rev. 17:12 statement that, from John’s perspective, the 10 Kings are still future.
    c) Revelation 17:8-11 places the time of both the Beast and the 7 Empires within this timeframe.
    6)
    The Beast comes from the “Was” period—or the “East” sector of Rome (all of the “Was” Empires were from the east).
    a) Is there anything that would prevent the Beast from coming from the East since he must be a Roman (Dan. 9:26)?
    b) The “east” sectors of Rome are still Rome just as Dan. 8:22 says the “east” sectors of Greece are still Greece.
    c) The 10 Kings are already a complete Revived Roman Empire (Rev 17:17) before the 11th King-Beast arrives (Dan. 7:24, “after them”). Revived Rome already exists before the Beast.
    7)
    The Beast comes from a slain and resurrected Empire.
    a) One of the Beast’s heads is slain and Revived in Rev. 13.3.
    b) Since the 7 heads are identified in Rev. 17 as 7 Empires, one of the Beast’s Empires has been “slain” & “resurrected.”
    c) If the “head” that was slain had been one of the 4 heads on the Dan. 7 “leopard,” it would have been one of the Grecian kingdoms that was “slain.”
    d) The Beast is Empire #8, but there are only 7, meaning one Empire has a double existence, having been “slain” & “resurrected.”

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    (Krieger Note: The faulty reasoning of Goodman, unfortunately, seriously undermines his propositions of the Assyrian Antichrist. For one, Revelation 13:3 simply states that “one of his heads” (i.e., seven heads – Rev. 13:1) “had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed…and all the world marveled and followed the beast” – we are not told it is the “seventh head” per se, but simply “one of his heads.” Later in Revelation 13:12 and 14 John states: “whose deadly wound was healed . . . who was wounded by the sword and lived” – but, once again, we are left to conjecture as to which one of the heads was so wounded. As close as we can get to the possibility of the “wounded head” being the Seventh or “out from one of the Seven” (viz. “one of the seven”) is this phrase: “And when he comes (i.e., the Seventh), he must continue a short time…the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition” (Rev. 17:11). We must view Revelation 17:10 (i.e., the “seven kings”) from two perspectives: (1) These seven kings are empires; (2) They are individuals (Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander the Great) or the very leadership of that Empire, which all of these so mentioned were headed up by a Pharaoh or Caesar, etc. Therefore, to lay stress on either the “Beast Nation” or the “Beast” himself, obfuscates the other side of the coin. What comes up out of the sea in Revelation 13:1-10 is clearly both: The Beast Nation as well as the Beast in that Revelation 13:2-4 clearly points to Empire, although it is most definitely intertwined with the person of the Beast; whereas Revelation 13:5-8 decisively points to the singularity of evil, the Beast – the worship of an empire is ludicrous; likewise, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” (Rev. 13:4b) obviously has a duality of meaning, Beast and Beast Nation.
    Hence, we must carefully comprehend the meaning of Revelation 13:3 in the context of “one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded” does not reside, if at all, in our understanding as a Beast Nation, so much as it points us to an individual, the Antichrist – whose assassination attempt results in the Abomination of Desolation (i.e., “his deadly wound was healed”). And, this is all the more substantiated by the chronological fact that it is mid-way through the Seventieth Week of Daniel wherein the Beast commences his persecution of the saints, the Two Witnesses, “your people”: “When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them” (Revelation 11:7). Again, the chronological significance of this is full proof in that the first 3.5 years (3.5 days) of the Seventieth Week of Daniel the Two Witnesses have unmitigated release of prophetic testimony (“And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth” – Rev. 11:3). Then the Antichrist becomes the Beast through the Abomination of Desolation, at which point we understand the meaning of this: “…for it (the “compromised Court of the Gentiles”) has been given to the Gentiles…and they (the Gentiles) will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months…nations will see their dead body three-and-a-half days…Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them…then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days…where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent” (Revelation 11:2, 9, 11; 12:6, 14 – also Daniel 12:7 in reference to the plight of the Holy People – “that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time”). It is not until the mid-way point of the Seventieth Week that we hear of the Beast; therefore, the verses in Revelation 13:1-10 have a profoundly singular, as well as corporate, implication; however, the wound and the so-called “healing” thereof pinpoint the Beast as a personality, not as a recovering empire.
    What Goodman has done is to eliminate the singularity of the Beast himself from Revelation 13 and fixate wholly upon the Beast Nation or Empire—therein is found his Achilles Heel.

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    Here, this author affirms, that it is indeed the seventh head and/or the coming end-time Gentile World Power whose leadership is personified in its supreme authority whose “head” is but a “short time” (even so is America’s Empire of short duration compared to most world Empires) and/or the final Anti-Prince shall find his rule cut off – so it would appear that in the midst of the Seventieth Week the Abomination of Desolation occurs and the fullness of evil, through the incarnation of Satan into the body of the Anti-Prince occurs…and so his destination “the eighth…is going into perdition” (i.e., destruction) or as the Apostle Paul calls him, the “son of perdition” (II Thess. 2:3) which echoes Jesus’ description wherein Satan entered into Judas wherefore Jesus called this Judas “son of perdition/destruction” (John 17:12; Luke 22:3)
    As a side bar, unwittingly, Goodman’s Islamic Assyrian Antichrist, fits into Nostradamus’ “Third Antichrist” being Muslim (Napoleon being the first, Hitler the second and the third a Moslem, Mabus (some say of OsaMA or even ObaMA (the secret Muslim) and George W. BUSh or MABUS); or forbid, could be Nostradamus’ ALUS or “ALied US forces” Nostradamus Names the Third Antichrist, Baha’i Faith, Universal House of Justice); which proves, if you want the bizarre, we can delve into that cesspool of wisdom any time to “spice it up” a bit.
    8)
    The only slain/resurrected Empire is Assyria.
    a) The other Empires have an “extended life” after they lose their dominion (Dan 7:12; compare Dan 2:35).
    b) History bears out that Assyria disappeared without a trace from history while the other kingdoms shrank back, but lived on.
    (Krieger Note: “Resurrected” only in the sense if it is Goodman’s Ottoman Empire or is it his resurrected Assyrian Empire in the form of a Latter-day Eighth Empire yet to be?)
    9)
    The land of the extinct Empire of “Assyria” became “Syria,” and was the land of the ‘proto-antichrist,’ Antiochus IV, from whose land & legacy will stem the final Antichrist.
    a) Both the Assyrian namesake & the Assyrian political realm became Syria.
    b) In both Dan 8 & 11 the Syrian Antiochus merges almost imperceptibly into the final antichrist.
    c) Syria (Assyria) reappears in the “latter time of their rule” to produce the Antichrist (Dan 8:23).
    d) The Beast is “like” Greece in Rev. 13:2, whose Syrian sector was dominant among the 4 Grecian “heads.”
    (Krieger Note: Goodman’s reasoning here, though articulate, makes Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Grecian Seleucid King wholly Syrian—which could not be further from the truth. Daniel’s prophetic outburst has Alexander the Great’s single horn breaking into four from whence the “little horn” out of one of the horns arises—this is Antichrist, no doubt, but he is strictly associated with the Grecian himself, Alexander the Great. In so far as ancient Assyria being subsumed by ancient and even modern Syria, this would virtually preclude Nineveh’s engagement and ipso facto Nimrod; however, Goodman may wish to extend the boundaries of the “Syrian Empire” to the Seleucid boundaries which then would include nigh the boundaries of the Persian Empire and most definitely, ancient Assyria.)
    10)
    The “Prince of Assyria” of Daniel 10 ascends out of the Pit and gives the Beast-Empire a double existence, and gives the Beast-Person a double personage….MORE IN THE BOOK… (Taken from The Assyrian Connection, by Phillip Goodman of ProphecyWatch.com)
    (Krieger Note: I have no idea from whence Goodman derives the phrase “Prince of Assyria” from Daniel 10 unless he adjudges the following to be his “Prince of Assyria”: “but the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me …. Now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia” (Daniel 10:13, 20). The “prince of Persia’ is juxtaposed to the “prince of Greece” in Daniel 10:20 – as far as the “Prince of Assyria” goes – there is no mention; perhaps, however, Goodman foresees that Persia is in point of fact Assyria – the USA now in ancient Assyria (Northern Iraq) might find that a bit disconcerting?)
    LATIN ORIGINS OF THE ASSYRIAN ANTICHRIST
    Proponents of the Assyrian Antichrist are keen to produce our aforementioned obscure text – though wholly accurate – recorded by the Church’s first truly Slovenian Bible Scholar (Latin), Victorinus Poetovionensis, around 260 AD in his Commentary on the Apocalypse (in which the complete work is in tack and decidedly, to the chagrin of anti-millenarians, wholly given over to chiliasm – in 398 AD Jerome tampered with the commentary to conform it to the Church’s rush to replacement theology, i.e., the Jews have been disinherited and there is no future proprietary Millennium position for the Jew). Victorinus quotes from Micah and then very bluntly states: “Assur, that is, Antichrist.”
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    Others fascinated by the Assyrian Antichrist include Chuck Missler of Koinonia House in The Return of Nimrod; a former Muslim, Walid Shoebat in Why I Left Jihad (2005) – Walid’s debate in Prophezine is excellent; Joseph Chambers in The Rebirth of the Assyrians; and David Winston Busch in The Assyrian: Satan, His Christ & the Return of the Shadow of Degrees (2006)
    THE ASSYRIAN ANTICHRIST of G.H. Lang vs. THE WEST
    Prior to the initial perpetrators of an Assyrian as Antichrist, we acknowledge that the titles of Antichrist include those of the King of Babylon, as well as “the Assyrian.” Allow me to quote from the eschatological elegance of G. H. Lang, who, on the one hand rightly ascribes the Assyrian in the legacy of the future Antichrist, but on the other hand, as far as I can ascertain, has allowed his Biblical literalism to becloud his Biblical insights – just as those who claim a literal Babylon upon the plains of Mesopotamian to be the Babylon of Revelation 17-18.
    “1. In Isa. 10:5, 12, 24 he (Antichrist) is called ‘the Assyrian,’ and the context is wholly of the last days, of the ‘consummation determined,’ of the return to Zion of the ‘little remnant,’ of the ‘shoot out of the stock of Jesse’ establishing His authority, destroying this ‘Assyrian,’ relieving nature of the curse, and the earth being ‘full of the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah.’ It is the time when the Root of Jesse shall be the centre of the nations, when the remainder of Israel still dispersed will be gathered, and they shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel being in their midst (ch. 12). As before mentioned (p. 18, n), in the time of Israel ‘Assyria’ included Babylonia.”
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    “2. In other places Antichrist is styled ‘the king of the north’ (Jer. 1:14; Ezek. 26:7, a term, as far as we see, regularly meaning in Scripture Assyria. To one in Palestine Assyria was the kingdom of the north, because its territory did in fact extend so far up the Euphrates valley as to be north of the Holy Land, but yet more because its armies, not being able to cross the wide deserts to the east of Palestine, went up north and turned southward to attack Palestine. The term is to be distinguished from ‘the uttermost parts of the north,’ as in Ezek. 38:6, 15; 39:2, a region then apparently indicating the countries north Armenia between the Black and Caspian seas, or further north in Scythia; regions so untraversed by the more southern races that they were to them among ‘the uttermost parts.’” (The Histories and Prophecies of Daniel, G. H. Lang, The Paternoster Press, London, 1950, pp. 114-5)
    Lang continues his thesis of the Assyrian (Heb. Asshur) with Antichrist but tragically and unnecessarily demands that the Assyrian of the Latter Days be a literal Assyrian:
    “Therefore Antichrist will be the king of Assyria with Babylon as his capital, which of old was in the dominion of Seleucus, who gained the eastern area of the empire of Alexander. Thus when Antichrist arises he will not come at Rome, or anywhere in the West. Had this been understood many vain and misleading speculations would have been avoided, such as that of the Pope, or the Papacy, or Napoleon, or others, being he. And when he comes his military efforts will be expended mainly upon Egypt and the south, the east, and Palestine” (Ibid. pp. 115-6).
    It is clear from his aforementioned text that Lang has in mind a literal Babylon along the Tigris-Euphrates and a literal king of Assyria as the Antichrist.
    Lang has erred in his exegesis of Daniel 11 wherein his “King of the North” is the Antichrist (thereby justifying his claim of the Assyrian Antichrist) – whereas, as we have pointed out from Robert Duncan Culver’s excellent interpretations, it is the King of the North and the King of the South who come up against and attack “him” – i.e., the Antichrist (Daniel and the Latter Days, Robert Duncan Culver, Fleming H. Revell Company, 1954; Ref. Daniel 11:40-45).
    The cardinal error in these erroneous eschatological musings by numerous evangelical writers relative to the Assyrian Antichrist being a literal ethnic Assyrian or the reincarnation of Nimrod, the Asshur, dissolves into a fundamental misunderstanding of the identity in the final verses of Daniel 11’s King of the North and the complete disregard of the identification of the “little horn” in both Daniel 7 and 8 wherein the necessity to reconcile the two simply amplifies the description of the Antichrist in both chapters as the same end-times’ character – i.e., the references to Antiochus IV Epiphanes as the prototype of the Assyrian (since he occupied the northern arena or Seleucid Empire) may endear him as a type of Nimrodian figure, but he was in every way decisively Greek in his heritage to the uttermost and sought to Hellenize the Jews during the Maccabean period.
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    Furthermore, the dual description of the “little horns” in Daniel 7 and 8 prefigures the precise origins of this end-time Willful King, the Antichrist – he is both Greek and Roman – he is Greco-Roman Man, Western Man, Western Civilization for in Daniel 8 he is described as Alexander the Great in his assault against the Medo-Persian Empire (Daniel 8:7-12) wherein this singular authority (i.e., horn) was broken into “four notable ones” but finally, “out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land…and it grew up to the host of heaven, and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them…he even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast done…because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground…He did all this and prospered…then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, ‘How long will the vision be concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?’…and he said to me, ‘For two thousand three hundred days, then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.” (Daniel 8:7-14)
    These verses clearly depict the WESTERN image of the “little horn” and are overwhelmingly prophetic, substantiated by this introduction:
    “And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the WEST, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes” (Daniel 8:5).
    Without controversy this is Alexander the Great whose WESTERN origins are indisputable. We are forced to adjudge Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who came out of Syria to persecute the Jews and profane the temple between 171 and 164 B.C. as the prototype of the “little horn” of WESTERN origin, though his encampment was to the north and east of Jerusalem.
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    Furthermore, to neglect the same use of the phrase “little horn” as found in Daniel 7 (the Fourth Beast “had ten horns”) – which strategically precedes the little horn of Daniel 8 (i.e., Alexander the Great) – for it is the dominance of the first mentioning of this end-time Gentile World Power over his Greco “trait” and of its WESTERN extremity that immediately confronts Daniel – ROME:
    “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had TEN HORNS. I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a LITTLE ONE, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words . . . I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking. I watched till the beast was slain and its body destroyed and given to burning flame” (Daniel 7:7-8, 11). The progression of these four empires is decisively WESTWARD. Although the Fourth Beast is never designated without refutation, the Roman Empire, because of its succession to the other three kingdoms clearly in sequence – Neo-Babylonia, Medo-Persian, Greece – the fourth empire to afflict Israel was clearly Rome.
    The cosmic vision of the “little horn” of Daniel 7 is indubitably naught but Antichrist in his fullness but utterly prejudiced from the fourth beast who supersedes the Grecian Leopard of Daniel 7:6—moving ever Westward. That he is the ultimate Antichrist is decided by the intervention of the Ancient of Days vision of Daniel 7:9-10, 13-14 – interjected, interwoven into the account of the little horn speaking pompous words – until the “Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom” – yes, this is the Second Coming of Messiah who shall defeat the beast from the abyss. But, be it known, he who is manifested as the fourth beast is of the WEST and speaks to Roman conquest . . . yet we cannot avoid his comparisons as the “little horn” of Daniel 8 which bespeaks of his complimentary Greco traits; therefore, we must conclude that this one is the full manifestation of Greco-Roman Man, Western Civilization – the apex of civilization.
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    The time frames of both Daniel 8 and 7 are of the final end of days – the vision of the Antichrist and of his beastly kingdom.
    Thus, these two infractions – the exclusive connotations of equating Antiochus IV Epiphanes as the “little horn” to be other than Greco in his heritage (i.e., Assyrian or Syrian) and neglecting the complimentary implications of the Roman conquest, the fourth beast, of Daniel 7 as the fullness of Western advancement (i.e., “the prince to come” of the “people of the prince” - who were the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem (the city) and the Temple in 70 AD – Daniel 9:26) until we see his image at its zenith in Revelation 13:2:
    “And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.”
    Be it known – this is the fullness of Gentile World Power as the kingdom of the Antichrist and the description of the Antichrist himself! Behold: Composite Catastrophe! The leopard of Greece, the feet of the bear (Medo-Persia) and the mouth of a lion (Neo-Babylonia) – but altogether they constitute the final end-time Beast – not the Revived Roman Empire but of the ultimate manifestation of the kingdom of darkness. He is decisively Greco-Roman in nature – logically evolving, developing until today we behold him shortly in his fullness.
    These two “little horns” are speaking of the same personage – they are distinct, but they are two sides of the same coin. Without their reconciliation and complimentary acknowledgement, confusion will reign regarding the origins of the Antichrist and of his fullness at the “end of days.”
    GOODMAN vs. REAGAN - OR: THE LEFT AND RIGHT LEG DEBATE
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    Now I quote from the research and exegesis of these learned evangelical Premillenarians in that the prophetic nuances are extremely defined in sincerity and forethought – both, as most of those with whom I beg to differ insofar as the origins of the final Antichrist – are original thinkers and steeped in the prophetic Scriptures.
    Again, Goodman vs. Reagan is a good-natured feisty debate over the two legs of the so-called Revived Roman Empire – whose veiled allusions, aside from the “prince who is to come” are altogether debating about something which does not exist in the prophetic Scriptures aside, again, unless we take the Ten Horns of the Beast to mean the WEU or some other constellation of nations surrounding the Roman Sea of yesteryear, including its eastern leg (Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire or “Empire of the Greeks”) which technically outlasted its western leg by nearly a thousand years – Rome/West traditionally falling in 476 AD and Constantinople in 1453 AD – of interest is the so-called Holy Roman Empire, inheritor of Rome’s glory lasted from 962 AD (Otto I) to Francis II in 1806 or some 844 years – so you see, Rome doesn’t die easily. And, insofar as Empire, Kaisers and Czars are concerned – Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm, Tsar Nicholas and Adolph Hitler all replicated the glory that was Rome – but take a trip to Washington, D.C. and behold the glory that was Rome! No, Rome does not die easily. But now let us consider the battle over the legs of Nebuchadnezzar’s image.
    Goodman:
    “THE ISSUE: Will the Antichrist and his Empire be strictly a Euro-centric, European-based, Rome-headquartered Empire, or will it be a Roman Empire-centered, Eastern-leg-based, Middle-eastern-headquartered Empire? The first is exclusively European and stands alone, aborting the Eastern leg. The second includes both Europe and the Middle East.”
    Reagan:
    “Furthermore, to deny that the empire (i.e., the empire of the Antichrist) (not) to be Revived is (sic. “as”) the Roman Empire is to deny the significance of the miraculous Revival of that empire in our day and time in the form of the European Union — an event that has been predicted by prophecy experts for several hundred years.”
    Goodman:
    “This is a flat contradiction of what I wrote. For example, from page 25 in The Assyrian Connection is this statement: Why are the eyes of much of the Christian world cast in the direction of Europe at this time? What is the prophetic significance of the rush toward European unity? The Revival of the Roman Empire…is a clear prerequisite to the return of Christ…
    This kind of an oversight in a book Review makes the entire critique credulous. My contention is precisely that the Roman Empire will be Revived, and that every sign points to the rise of the European Union as a first step in that direction. That’s what the book says—and that’s what I teach. Why would someone who has read the book—and who has spoken at the Tulsa Prophecy Conference five times, where I have taught on this subject— think otherwise?”
    “In The Assyrian Connection I make the case that the Bible gives strong indications the Antichrist will arise— not only from the Revived Roman Empire— but from the eastern wing of the Revived Roman Empire. Still, it is the Revived Roman Empire. To say, as Reagan does, that the Revived Roman Empire must be equated strictly with Europe is in error. This Eurocentric view evaporates in the light of both Biblical prophecy and secular history. Here is what respected prophecy author Chuck Missler, a close associate of Hal Lindsay, said in his Personal Update (11-02, p.3), ... ‘while we understand that the [Antichrist] is predicted to come from the Roman Empire, we tend to be myopic regarding the extent of this designation: we tend to equate the Roman Empire with Western Europe, ignoring the eastern leg of this empire, which outlasted the western leg by a thousand years!’ Chuck Missler”
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    Reagan:
    “So, if the type of the Antichrist—Antiochus Epiphanes— was from Seleucia [territorially, the earlier Assyrian Empire], then Goodman argues the Antichrist will also come from that same area (Syria/Iraq) and will thus be an Assyrian... But the primary focus of the chapter is on the personality and character of the Antichrist (verses 23-26), not on his origin. But even more important is the fact that Antiochus Epiphanes was of Greek heritage. He was not an Assyrian.”
    “So, if the prophecy in Daniel 8 is pointing to the heritage of the Antichrist, it is indicating that he will be a Roman of Greek heritage. Keep in mind that there are many other symbolic types of the Antichrist in Scripture besides Antiochus. They include such persons as the Pharaoh of the Exodus, King Saul of Israel, David’s son, Absalom, and King Herod. Some of these are Jewish, but that does’t mean the Antichrist will be Jewish. One of the most significant, the Pharaoh of the Exodus was from Egypt, but that does’t mean the Antichrist will be an Egyptian...”

    Goodman:
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    “Regarding Antiochus as a key to the origin of the Antichrist, let’s look to Reagan’s book God’s Plan For The Ages, page 147, where he says that Daniel 8:23 & 24 apply to the Antichrist. True. But look closely— verse 23 also says the Antichrist will arise “in the latter period of their rule.” That phrase “their rule” is keyed back to the previous verse which describes whose “rule” is in view: It is the “rule” of the 4 kingdoms which rose out of Alexander’s Greek Empire. One of these 4 kingdoms is the focus of the passage. It is the kingdom of Antiochus—namely the Syrian (Seleucia) sector. This is an Antichrist passage precisely because it focuses on “the latter period”— the Antichrist will arise during the latter period (latter days) rule of the Assyrian kingdom of Antiochus. Why the connection? (The modern name for that territory is Syria-Iraq)”
    “Reagan credits as a consultant for his Review Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, the Christian-Jew Bible Scholar. But Fruchtenbaum does not believe what Reagan says above, but instead says this, ‘The only biblical type of the Antichrist is given in the person of Antiochus Epiphanes, A Gentile’ (Arnold Fruchtenbaum, The Footsteps of the Messiah, Ariel Ministries Press, 1983, p. 212).”

    Reagan:
    “Nor do I believe there is any validity to the use of Micah 5:5 to determine the national identity of the Antichrist. Micah 5:3-15 is entirely about the Millennium. The Antichrist will be dead and gone during that time. Revelation 19:20-21 says that at the Second Coming of Jesus – at the end of the Tribulation – the Antichrist and his False Prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire where they will be tormented eternally (Rev. 20:10). I believe that all the prophet is saying in Micah 5:5-6 is that during the Millennium the Lord will protect Israel from all its natural enemies – as symbolized by Assyria (the enemy of Israel at the time the prophet wrote).”

    Goodman:
    “The stretch that is required to wrench the term ‘Assyrian’ into something other than what it says would be admirable—except this is the Bible. Reagan uses what he calls ‘flashbacks and flash-forwards’ extensively in Wrath And Glory in order to keep the plain and literal readings of Revelation intact. I am in agreement with him on that. And Micah 5:5-6, taken literally, is a ‘flashback.’ Within the Millennial context, the text takes a ‘flashback’ look at the invasion of Israel by one called the Assyrian during the Tribulation. Reagan drops this clear flashback in favor of spiritualizing the passage. But the term ‘Assyrian’ is literal and it is future. The Assyrian invades Israel at the end time. He attacks her cities and tramples her land. And it is at that climactic time when ‘He [Christ] will deliver us [Israel] from the Assyrian.’ (Micah 5:6) The Assyrian is none other than the Antichrist.
    (Debate taken from: The Origin of the Antichrist From the Revived Roman Empire—Specifically, the Eastern Leg, by Phillip Goodman, Jan-Feb, 2009)
    Please go to Appendix B for the completion on this subject.


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    Appendix B – Antichrist – Reflections on the Desolator
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    Doug Krieger
    NEITHER EASTERN NOR WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE – BUT THE FOURTH BEAST
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    The on-going debate between David Reagan of Lamb and Lion Ministries and Phillip Goodman of Prophecy Watch regarding the origins of Antichrist (viz. from the Western or Eastern wings of the ancient Roman Empire boundaries) is purposefully truncated to get to the core of their contentions. David Reagan states:
    “So, if the prophecy in Daniel 8 is pointing to the heritage of the Antichrist, it is indicating that he will be a Roman of Greek heritage.”
    On the other hand, Phillip Goodman contends that the literal location (viz. the Seleucid Empire of Antiochus IV Epiphanes) trumps Reagan’s “Roman of Greek” heritage in that Daniel 8:23 indicates Antichrist will arise “in the latter period of their rule” – ipso facto “their rule” is derived from Daniel 8:22 wherein “as for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation” - this will place Antichrist’s whereabouts in the Eastern Leg of the ancient Roman Empire in what was known as Syria or Assyria’s old empire boundaries. This demands that, since one of those four kingdoms was in the Seleucia sector (i.e. Syria from whence Antiochus IV Epiphanes ruled, and was most definitely the archetype of the latter-days’ Antichrist), therefore, credence of a latter-day Antichrist from Syria would be in keeping with the thrust of the passage.
    It is difficult to follow Goodman’s reasoning in that his claim of a Syrian Antichrist in the latter days based on the connection of Daniel 8:23 with Daniel 8:22 wherein in vs. 23 it says “and in the latter time of their kingdom” (clearly introducing Antichrist), must be connected to vs. 22 wherein “four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation” – so, “their kingdom” and “four kingdoms” are inter-connected; indeed, Antiochus appears to be the “little horn” which arises out of one of the four: “And out of one of them (i.e. “the four notable ones”) came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land” (Daniel 8:9) – this one, given the additional verses in Daniel 8:10-14 clearly speaks of the latter-days’ Antichrist.
    That said, however, “their kingdom” (i.e. “the four notable ones”) derived their kingdom beyond Daniel 8:22 – one must go back to Daniel 8:21 to find the SOURCE of the power, the authority from whence Antiochus IV Epiphanes secured his power base: “And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king” (i.e. Alexander the Great).
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    But beyond that acknowledgement, which is clearly Greece, not Syria – though Antiochus IV Epiphanes ruled over Syria as a Greek who Hellenized all he ruled – we are advised to deliberate over the first mentioning of the “little horn” recorded in Daniel 7, whose originations extend beyond Greece and represent the “seventh head” who had Ten Horns from whence “there was another horn, a younger one, coming up among them” – and, again, without contestation, this Eleventh Horn is the Antichrist of the latter days, but this initial time the “little horn” is solely connected to the Fourth Beast, not, if you would, the Third Beast (Greece); therefore, the Fourth Beast preempts, insofar as the “little” or “younger horn” concerns – i.e., the first mentioning of the “younger horn” takes precedence as to its meaning (viz. it is connected first to the Fourth Beast).
    The Fourth Beast and “younger horn” of Daniel 7:7-8 is not described, that is true, as Rome per se. Furthermore, although the Fourth Beast succeeds the Third Beast (i.e., the Roman Empire would by history juxtaposed to Israel’s engagement be the fourth empire in Daniel’s vision, coming after the Third Beast or Greece) – it, nevertheless, catapults us into the very Seventieth Week of Daniel, unto the time of the end itself… “Until the Ancient of days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom” (Daniel 7:22).
    Therefore, it has an “immediate” and latter-day fulfillment.

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    The repetition of this Fourth Beast with ten horns and the outcropping of the Eleventh Horn as Antichrist takes place three separate times in Daniel 7Daniel 7:7-8; 7:19-22; 7:23-27 (perhaps these three occasions allude to the Beast’s ultimate manifestation in Revelation 13:2 wherein three parts alone are mentioned—again, the composite of Gentile World Power). Each time this final manifestation of Gentile World Power is pitted in battle against “the people, the saints of the Most High” and, likewise, “persecutes the saints of the Most High . . . the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time” – “he was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them” – clearly, and not only throughout history has this Fourth Beast persecuted the saints of the Most High, but most definitely, this Fourth Beast with Ten Horns shall produce the Eleventh Horn who shall be the Antichrist of the Latter Days. The conclusion of his persecution shall be most grievous.
    I would enjoin these brethren (Reagan and Goodman) to realize that it is neither the literal Assyrian somewhere within the Eastern Roman Empire nor a Roman prince from the Western Leg of the Roman Empire, but clearly the fulcrum or composite of Gentile World Power (yes, moving ever Westward, no doubt) but decisively this Fourth Beast is representative of all that the Kingdoms of this World can generate as the machine of war demands: DREADFUL, TERRIBLE, EXCEEDINGLY STRONG, HUGE IRON TEETH, DEVOURING, BREAKING IN PIECES, TRAMPLING THE RESIDUE WITH ITS FEET…it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and IT HAD TEN HORNS (Daniel 7:7).
    That there is a direct correlation, association, collaboration and organic union between the ten-toed image, the ten horns, ten kings and ten crowns atop this Fourth Beast and the “younger horn” known as the Antichrist, there can be little doubt.
    Clearly, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Daniel initiates his discourse of the Latter Day Antichrist by inserting the Fourth Beast before his amplifications of the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel 8—and that is the core message given therein, not the origins of Antichrist hailing from ancient Assyria. Likewise, the message on Daniel 7 – which appears that we have a Fourth Beast as the logical progression to be Rome in that the first beast is clearly Babylon (Lion), the second is Medo-Persia and the third is Greece; however, to adamantly say that the Fourth Beast is the Roman Empire is a quantum leap, a conjecture which cannot be sustained by any accurate reading of the original or translated languages of the text. Again, this lends credibility to an ultimate manifestation of Gentile World Power embodied in the Beast Nation itself of the latter days; however, that said, one simply cannot recognize the Beast Nation without a full acknowledgement of the personification of the Beast himself – for every Empire demands an Emperor, every Kingdom a king (e.g., “Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth” and “The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” – Daniel 7:17, 23 – which demonstrates the King/Kingdom principle, and calls attention to the ultimate Beast Nation which will be headed up by the Antichrist-Beast)
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    Rome is the successor of the Four-Horned Kingdom of Greece – and it does immediately interact with Jerusalem after Greece – but the Scriptures purposefully becloud the precise identity of the Fourth Beast (holding our attention to its near and belated fulfillment – i.e., Rome and the latter-day composite of Gentile World Power) by withholding any name whatsoever; whereas Daniel 8:20-21 clearly states that the “ram which you saw, having the two horns—they are the kings of Media and Persia” (Medo-Persian) and “the male goat is the kingdom of Greece…the large horn that is between its eyes is the first king” (Alexander the Great) – and insofar as the lion with wings concerns – this is the very national emblem of the Neo-Babylonian Kingdom.
    In addition, Daniel clearly tells King Nebuchadnezzar that he is the first kingdom of the four: “You are this head of gold” (Daniel 2:38). Again, to surmise that the Fourth Beast is “exclusively” the Roman Empire does disservice to the prophet’s latter-day intention; and, to assume that the ultimate Beast Nation headed up by the Antichrist-Beast is somehow a revival of the immediate boundaries of the ancient Roman Empire (eastern and western legs) is contrary to Daniel’s progression which stands in immediate contrast to the “kingdoms of this world” – for just as “a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces . . . and the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth” (Daniel 2:34-35), even so, the kingdom of the Fourth Beast whose latter-day depiction is first mentioned in Daniel 7 is, in eschatological progression, that kingdom found in Revelation 13:1-2 wherein “all the world marveled and followed the beast.” It is this global contrast between the Kingdom of Christ vs. the Kingdom of the Beast that grips our attention, not the “known world of Rome.”
    Furthermore, it precisely parallels John’s description of the Fourth Beast found in Revelation 13:1-2: “Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns and on his horns ten crowns, and on the heads a blasphemous name.” This clearly is futuristic and having to do with the latter days and is the same Beast of Revelation 11:7 “that ascends out of the bottomless pit (who) will make war against them (i.e., the two Witnesses), overcome them, and kill them.” – undoubtedly, this takes place within the latter half of Daniel’s future Seventieth Week.)
    “Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard (Note: Here the descriptions are reversed from those of Daniel 7:3-8 wherein you have the lion, bear and leopard – in Revelation you have the leopard, bear, and lion.), his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion” (Revelation 13:2). Take note: There is no “Fourth Beast” juxtaposed to the three of Daniel 7:3-8 wherein the distinction of the Fourth is clearly given. No, what you have here is the Beast in his entirety – the Trinity, if you would, of Gentile World Power, three in one; even so, Babylon the Great is tri-partite in nature—apostate religion (Rev. 17); commercial exploitation (Rev. 18); and political power (Rev. 19).
    Here, the evolution of Gentile World Power has reached its zenith, but our focus in Revelation 13 goes beyond Empire, though it is that, unto the person of the Beast himself! The Beast is the COMPOSITE expression of latter-day Gentile World Power. He, in and of himself, is constituted as the final expression – and in that sense and that sense only can he be the fourth or hold any resemblance to the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7
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    In Daniel 7:7 we acknowledge that the “huge iron teeth” of the Fourth Beast is an allusion to the IRON legs of Nebuchadnezzar’s Image in Daniel 2:40 – “And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.” Regarding the two legs of tghe image, we are not certain as to its representation – some say the Roman Empire’s two distinctive jurisdictions …Western and Eastern Roman Empire…but others say that the Roman Empire was a mixture of the Church and the State and of the “doctrine of the two swords” in which the “heavenly and the earthly” (priestly and kingly) came together as the “Kingdom of God” during the time of Constantine unto the final days of Rome’s ultimate fall in 1453 or beyond as manifested in the Holy Roman Empire extending to 1806 – and others say through Rome’s subsidiary manifestations during the Napoleonic Empire, the Tsars and the Kaisers…even unto Hitler’s Third Reich…and lastly unto America’s Imperial primacy as manifested in her cultural, commercial, technological and military supremacy —all of which bore and bear witness to Rome’s glory (i.e., The Glory that was Rome has NEVER extinguished – she
    lives and holds her head up high….). The description of the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7 juxtaposed to the Beast of Revelation 11, 13 and 19 is striking:

    Item​

    Daniel 7​

    Revelation 11, 13, 19​

    Title​

    Fourth Beast​

    Beast​

    General Description​

    Dreadful, terrible, exceedingly strong
    Different from all the beasts that were before it
    Greater than his fellows
    Different from all other kingdoms​

    Like a leopard (body)
    Feet like a bear
    Mouth like a lion​

    Metals​

    Iron Teeth, Bronze Nails​
     

    Action/Empowerment​

    Devouring, breaking in pieces, trampling the residue with its feet
    Devours the whole earth​

    Received power, throne and great authority from
    the Dragon​

    Ten Horns​

    Ten Kings
    Arise from the Fourth Kingdom​

    Seven Heads
    Blasphemous Name on Heads
    Ten Horns
    Ten Crowns​

    Little Horn​

    Eleventh Horn​

    One of his heads mortally wounded
    But healed​

    Little Horn Action​

    Uproots Three Horns
    Makes war against the saints and prevails against them
    Saints given into his hand for time and times and half a time
    Speaks pompous words against the Most High
    Intends to change times and law​

    World marvels and follows the beast
    They worship the beast
    “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
    Mark war against them (Two Witnesses), overcome them, and kill them
    All the world marveled and followed the Beast – makes war with saints and overcomes them – authority over every tribe, tongue, and nation​

    Little Horn Description​

    Eyes like the eyes of a man
    Mouth speaking pompous words​

    Mouth speaking great things and blasphemies – given authority forty-two months – blasphemy against God, His name, His tabernacle and those who dwell in heaven​

    Identification​

    One of Four Kings​

    Associated with the Second Beast and the Dragon​

    Final End​

    Beast was slain and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame​

    Makes war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army
    Beast was captured – cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone​
    “…for some time to come—for more than a generation—America’s status as the world’s premier power is unlikely to be contested by any single challenger. No nation-state is likely to match America in the four key dimensions of power (military, economic, technological, and cultural) (Note: Unwittingly this quote from Zbigniew Brzezinski, former Secretary of State under President Jimmy Carter, defines the three aspects of the Latter-days’ Babylon the Great: Religious Apostasy (cultural, which normally includes the “religious character” of a people) as found in the “woman who rides the Beast” in Revelation 17; military power as found in Revelation 19 and subsequently judged – “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” (Revelation 13:4); and, finally, commercial hegemony (i.e., economic and technological) and likewise, subsequently judged in Revelation 18)…that cumulatively produce decisive global political clout. Short of a deliberate or unintentional American abdication, the only real alternative to American global leadership in the foreseeable future is international anarchy. It is correct to assert that America has become, as President Clinton put it, the world’s ‘indispensable nation.’” (The Grand Chessboard – American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperative, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Perseus Books Group – Basic Books, New York, NY, 1997, p. 195)​
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    I might follow that up in order to reinforce the cumulative Gentile World Power HEGEMON by this unbelievable but overtly undeniable (except from the Evangelical pundits who claim America is not in Bible prophecy) declaration from the pen of Brzezinski:
    “American global primacy is unique in its scope and character. It is a hegemony of a new type that reflects many of the features of the American democratic system: it is pluralistic, permeable, and flexible. Attained in the course of less than a century (i.e., “the younger horn” of Daniel 7:8, 20-21, 24-25), the principal geopolitical manifestation of that hegemony is America’s unprecedented role on the Eurasian landmass (Note: Which includes Iraq, ancient Assyria or
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    Northern Iraq or at least its capitol, Nineveh.), hitherto the point of origin of all previous contenders for global power. America is now Eurasia’s arbiter, with no major Eurasian issue soluble without America’s participation or contrary to America’s interests.” (Ibid. p. 194)
    Yes, “the prince who is to come” (the IRON LEGS of the Image found in Daniel 2, as well as the HUGE IRON TEETH of the Fourth Beast found in Daniel 7:7) – yes, his people destroyed Jerusalem and the Herodian Temple (for they are of their father, the Dragon who awaits the Beast from the sea—Revelation 13:1—NIV).
    Well does Donald Grey Barnhouse expose him: “And he (the Dragon) stood upon the sand of the sea” (Revelation 13:1Revelation, Donald Grey Barnhouse, pp. 233-4). It is he who shall make a firm covenant, a defense pact, with Israel’s majority in the Latter Days for one week – and it is he in whom the Abomination of Desolation receives his title: THE BEAST; likewise, it shall take place as he seeks to desecrate the rebuilt Jewish Temple in the midst of the week; even so, shall the desolations continue until the 1,290th day (Daniel 12:11) when judgment is passed in favor of the saints at the coming of Messiah, the Prince, Who shall destroy “the prince who is to come.”
    Look no further of logistics – of a Revived Western or Eastern Roman Empire, but of the full expression of Gentile World Power – and I think you know the seat of his power who now occupies the whole earth, as well as the ancient capitol of the Assyrians, Nineveh in Northern Iraq.
    PETER GOODGAME – AND THE ASSYRIAN ANTICHRIST
    I warned you of the interminable nature of the Assyrian Antichrist debate. However, it is a must that we consider the curious, yet intriguing, work of one, Peter Goodgame (similar to our Phillip Goodman but not related at all). Peter launches a three-part series in what appears to be a reasoned exchange that somehow swings about eschatological concepts until he sounds marginally anti-Semitic; to wit:
    “The Book of Revelation predicts the rise of a global superpower that will precede the coming of the Antichrist. The name of this world power is given as ‘Babylon the Great’ and so we see, from Babel in Genesis to Babylon in Revelation, that mankind's rebellion against God comes full circle. In this series of articles I will show that the theme of ‘full circle’ is applicable in more ways than one as we witness the fulfillment of prophetic events at the close of the Age.”

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    “Following the successful American invasion of Iraq, and subsequent occupation, there are many Bible scholars who are looking at the end-times prophecies of this region with renewed interest. Many of them believe that the Bible predicts the literal re-building of Babylon—the ‘great harlot’ of Revelation 17:1—along the banks of the Euphrates River. They follow along with the views of Arthur W. Pink who, in 1923 in his comprehensive study of the Antichrist, pointed to Zechariah 5:5-11 which speaks of the habitation of a wicked woman being established ‘in the land of Shinar.’ Will ancient Babylon be rebuilt in the last days and somehow emerge in control of the political and economic structures of the world in fulfillment of Revelation 17-18?”
    “Of course now that the US Military controls Iraq we can be sure that if a rebuilt Babylon does emerge it will happen only through the support of the US Government! Despite the influence of the political Right within evangelical ranks the identity of ‘Babylon the Great’ continues to be highly debated among prophecy scholars.: For many years I have believed that this entity is none other than the US Government in general and New York City in particular.”
    (Krieger Note: The veiled allusion to the “influence of the political Right within evangelical ranks” is obviously bringing attention to the obfuscations committed by a host of “patriotic prophets” contained within the pages of my text on the Rise or Fall of American Empire?...the Evangelical Cover-up of America in Bible Prophecy – indeed, Goodgame and I are in accord at least up to this part of his thesis.)
    “And yes, I will admit that my conclusion has been influenced by the female symbolism of Mystery Babylon (Lady Liberty?), which also affects my personal expectation of who will be our next President! Having said that, lately my thinking has been influenced by my exposure to certain evidence that suggests that the ‘great harlot’ of Revelation 17-18 is closely associated with ‘apostate Israel,’ as opposed to ‘faithful Israel’ described in Revelation 12. From this perspective New York City may yet fulfill a prophetic role, seeing as it is the political and economic ‘capital of the world’ while at the same time it is the city with the world's largest Jewish population. Could the US invasion of Iraq and the establishment of numerous military bases somehow be the fulfillment of Zechariah’s prophecy which predicted the building of a base for a wicked woman (Babylon the Harlot) in the ‘land of Shinar’?”
    (Krieger Note: The logic of this remark mystifies. If the base is the USA, and the “wicked woman” of Zechariah is the “great harlot” or “apostate Israel” and that New York City fulfills this “prophetic role” with its large Jewish population, then does it follow if these Jews from NYC will be transported to Iraq/Babylon to sit atop the “base” prepared for them as the “wicked woman” by the USA-base-preparer – for some inexplicable reason I do not think the Jewish Community of Greater New York, estimated at 1.750 million, really want to be transported to some place in Iraq…am I missing something here? Furthermore, likening “apostate Israel” as a fulfillment of “Babylon the Great” constitutes a myopic understanding of the final apostate religious system countenancing the entire earth.)
    “Certainly our government’s critics are quick to point out how the invasion of Iraq suited Israel’s long-term agenda for the region. Whatever the case may be it does seem clear that the land of Shinar and the nation of Iraq have yet to experience the complete fulfillment of the Bible’s prophetic statements.”
    (Krieger Note: No, I’m not sure we have here someone who harbors anti-Semitic convictions – but some of his loosey-goosy interpretations border on the absurd. For one, it is Goodgame who in Red Moon Rising is convinced that Nimrod will be reincarnated into the body of the Assyrian Antichrist; furthermore, Nimrod is actually the first Pharaoh of Egypt whose name was Osiris – first to be embalmed among the Pharaohs….Goodgame continues….)

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    “Note that it is the Messiah who will deliver Israel from the Assyrian (Hebrew-Asshur), and then Israel will experience their millennial blessings (Micah 5:7). Furthermore, while Asshur is oppressing Israel they will be defended by ‘seven shepherds’ and/or ‘eight principal men.’ Are these numbers intended to draw attention to the Antichrist who will be ‘an eighth,’ yet ‘one of the seven,’ as it says in Rev. 17:11? Concerning the context of Micah's prophecy, it is true that in the days of the prophets Israel was beset with the very real threat of the kingdom of Assyria
    (Asshur). The northern kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrian armies of King Shalmaneser V in 722 BC, and later in 701 the southern kingdom of Judah survived an Assyrian invasion under Sennacharib only through divine intervention. Yet this prophecy speaks of
    Asshur invading the land of Israel at a time after the appearance of the Messiah. It is hard to avoid this prophecy’s end-times context.” (Krieger Note: And to these we concur.)
    Later Goodgame connects the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14 to the King of Asshur or King of Assyria and ultimately to Nimrod – the thesis is circuitous and lengthy, well written with excellent logic to buttress his connections between Nimrod and Asshur, but “reincarnation”? – I don’t think so – I suggest if you wish to follow it in its entirety link to the site @ http://www.redmoonrising.com/Giza/raiders1.htm. However, several of his 3-part series conclusions and especially noteworthy commentary will suffice:
    “So who is ‘the Assyrian’? Is this merely a title that should be taken only as a hint to his national identity or regional origin? In future installments of this series we will see that the Antichrist does have a Mesopotamian origin, but not in the way that many people have been led to expect. It is my belief that the Hebrew name ‘Asshur’ should not be interpreted by the generalized and vague designation of ‘the Assyrian,’ but should be interpreted simply as ‘Asshur.’ The name is precise and specific and is much more than a mere hint. Asshur is Asshur. Asshur is the Antichrist.”
    “The identity of the Antichrist cannot be discovered unless we first understand the way in which he will come. Because he ‘once was’ we can be certain that he existed in the past. Because he appears ‘out of the Abyss’ after being healed from a ‘deathly wound’ we know that he will be resurrected. Yet the questions remains... who is Asshur? And if his soul is currently locked away in the Abyss, then where is his body? This series will positively identify Asshur the soon-to-be-resurrected Antichrist King.”

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    (Krieger Note: He “once was” has as much to do with his immediate assassination upon the declaration of his godhood in the temple of God in Jerusalem and subsequent “resurrection” (i.e., the “eighth”) - making him “out from the seven” and transforming him from the Antichrist to his new entitlement as the Beast due to the incarnation of Satan into the “temple” (i.e., the body) of Antichrist. The Scriptures boldly declare but one resurrection and one only: “It is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment” – Hebrews 9:27. Neither Judaism nor Christianity advocate reincarnation via the soul of a once dead human entering into the body of another human, even if that other human has died – the New Testament, however, does give the unique account of Satan “entering” into the body of Judas Iscariot to commit the dastardly betrayal of Jesus, while Judas was still alive.)
    “There are Assur and all his company: all his slain have been laid there: and their burial is in the depth of the pit, and his company are set around about his tomb: all the slain that fell by the sword, who had caused the fear of them to be upon the land of the living. (Ezekiel 32:22-23, LXX)”
    “In Part One of this series I put forth some of the evidence that ‘The Assyrian’ referred to by Isaiah and Micah in the Old Testament is in fact the Antichrist. His name is Asshur and as the false messiah he is often contrasted with Israel’s true Messiah (Note: We totally concur.). Isaiah prophesies (sic. prophesied) that Asshur will betray and attempt to destroy Israel, but the true Messiah will save Israel even though He will first be rejected and killed. In the end Asshur will be destroyed by the mere breath that comes from the mouth of the Messiah at the end of the Day of the Lord. Yet the question remains... who is Asshur?”
    Now, Goodman gets to the meat of the matter: Antichrist is Nimrod; he hails from Iraq because he founded Iraq.
    “The conclusion that I have arrived at is that Asshur is simply another name for Nimrod. Part One of this series asked, ‘Will the Antichrist come from Iraq?’ and the answer is, ‘Yes! The Antichrist founded Iraq!’ Nimrod's kingdom began in southern Mesopotamia with the cities of Babel and Erech (Uruk/Iraq), but then he invaded north and built Nineveh and the other cities that became the foundation of the kingdom of Asshur (Assyria).”
    Goodman presents an outstanding connection between Asshur and Nimrod—it is very convincing…
    “They generally read, ‘From that land he (Nimrod) went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh...’ The fact is that ‘Asshur’ can be read either as an individual or as the region of Assyria—we just don’t know for sure and the text alone does not prove either case. However, because the name ‘Asshur’ is not modified by the preposition el or the directional heh (thus giving either el Asshur or Asshurah), which would confirm Asshur as a place, it remains a distinct possibility that Asshur is meant to be understood as an individual and as another name for Nimrod.”

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    (Krieger Note: Finally, after a substantial argument of Nimrod’s connection to the Asshur or the Assyrian as the final Antichrist, Goodman can no longer equivocate – The Antichrist is the reincarnation of Nimrod! Goodman further substantiates his hypothesis by archeological discoveries found in Sumer around 2800-2600 BC in which, as seen in the archeological graphic of the find, shows a royal figure slaying one the beast’s seven heads. Goodman asserts that “scholars” affirm that the seven-headed beast is the “god known as Ninurta or Ningirsu, an early prototype of Marduk” – which in turn is another one of Nimrod’s names. In sum: Nimrod is Asshur (the Assyrian – the future Antichrist) – Nimrod is also Marduk – see Part III, The Mighty Hunter.)
    “The point that must be noted about the references to the seven-headed dragon is that Sumerian scribes believed that this terrible beast had already been killed and no longer existed as a threat. In fact, those who were portrayed as slayers of the beast seem to be gods who had emerged as deifications of Nimrod himself. So by slaying the monster Nimrod is actually slaying himself! In this way the pagan influence greatly confused and corrupted the prophecy of the seven-headed dragon, and the long-term threat was effectively removed from humanity's consciousness as early as possible.”
    “Nimrod’s life is not just a type or ‘template’ of what the future Antichrist will be like. He is the Antichrist. He is the one who ‘once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.’ He is the antithesis of Jesus the One ‘who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty’ (Rev.1:8). At the end of Revelation Jesus says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End’ (Rev 22:13). Jesus speaks of His eternal relationship to time and all Creation, while on the other hand Nimrod the Antichrist is ‘the first and the last’ of Satan’s seven kings, whose two appearances mark both ‘the Beginning and the End’ of the Pagan Era that began at Babel some 5,000 years ago.”

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    (Krieger’s Note: Problematic with Goodgame’s hypothesis is “Satan’s seven kings” so mentioned seem unrelated to Revelation’s “wisdom” wherein “There are also seven kings…Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come…and when he comes, he must continue a short time.” The traditional Premillenarian interpretation (not that it is impervious to misinterpretation) denotes five former empires juxtaposed to ancient Israel (Egypt, Assyria, Neo-Babylonia, Medo-Persian, Greece (“five have fallen” – and note, Assyria is not the first, but the second to interact with Israel), Rome (“one is” – which is the sixth at the time of John’s writing of the Apocalypse), and the other has not yet come (which is the seventh) and when he (both his person and empire) comes, he must continue a short time” (Revelation 17:10). Furthermore, “The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of (or “out from”) the seven, and is going to perdition” (Revelation 17:11). There is a much closer connectivity between the “beast that was” as the seventh whose “short time” is purposely cut short at the end of days, rather than the second empire, Assyria, which was encountered by Israel. It is far more contextual to affirm that the final Antichrist (the seventh) whose lifeless body is incarnated by Satan himself is to become “the eighth” (the parody of the resurrection of Christ) for he is known as “going to perdition” a phrase and word used by both Jesus regarding the “son of perdition” in reference to the incarnation of Judas by Satan and by the Apostle Paul in II Thess. 2 as also the “Son of Perdition” clearly referring to the Man of Sin, the Antichrist, who “sits as God in the temple (naos) of God, showing himself that he is God” (II Thess. 2:4). Now the “temple of a man’s body” akin to the body of Jesus when discussing His death and resurrection with the religious leaders of His day – John 2:20-21 wherein “it has taken forty-six years to build this temple (hieron – the Herodian physical temple) juxtaposed to “He was speaking of the temple (naos) of His body”) is differentiated in the Greek language, giving credibility to the Abomination of Desolation as a future desecration of the “seventh king’s” physical body wherein through the incarnation of Satan he becomes the eighth who goes into perdition; thence, “the son of perdition” aforementioned by Paul.)
    “The division of the nations at the Tower of Babel was a hugely significant event that was spiritual as well as linguistic. The life of Nimrod was intimately connected with this event and afterwards the memory of this ‘Dying God’ became institutionalized as a major part of pagan religion. Around this very same time, near the dawn of written history, we find the emergence of the prophetic symbolism of the seven-headed dragon. Pagan mythology places the life of this beast in the past, but the prophecies of Isaiah, Daniel, and the book of Revelation tell us that this threat still awaits its final destiny of destruction. It is the symbol of Satan's seven kings, and we know that one of them, Asshur the Antichrist, will appear from the past to radically influence the future. Those who do not know the true Christ will find it hard to resist him.” (All of the above taken from Peter Goodgame’s four-part series entitled: Part I: Prophecies of ‘The Assyrian’: Will the Antichrist Come From Iraq? - Part II: The Coming of the Antichrist – Part III: The Mighty Hunter – Part IV: Rulers of Darkness.

    CRITICS & SUPPORTERS OF GOODMAN AND GOODGAME
    Critics of Goodman and Goodgame assert that the absence in Daniel of any allusion to Ashur, Asshur, Assyria or Assyrian diminishes a future Antichrist as Assyrian. Frankly, arguing from this perspective is intellectually disingenuous and Biblically incompatible in that the Assyrian most definitely is one of Antichrist’s names, titles, regardless of its absence in Daniel – whether he is the reincarnation of Nimrod, as opposed to another prototype of the final Antichrist, is altogether another matter. Both Isaiah and Micah were written before Daniel’s recordations.
    The term or derivatives to the Assyrian occur approximately 135 times in the Old Testament – so since Daniel does not mention any of these derivations - the Assyrian is therefore disqualified as a probable figure of the end-time Antichrist. This too is a Non sequitur.

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    “Some, like Joel Rosenberg, Dr. David Reagan, myself (Bill Salus), and others, have suggested that in the aftermath of the fulfillment of the Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 & 39 prophecies, Islam is dramatically diminished. The theory is that both of these prophecies likely occur before the Antichrist arrives on the world scene and that the 19 populations involved in these two major sequential prophetic events, which go down in defeat, are all predominately Islamic. Thus the conclusion can be drawn that when the Beast from the West arrives, he will find Islam as a religion largely irrelevant and of little utility in his bid for world dominance. Needless to say, the Assyrian advocates have to group the Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 & 39 events all into the Antichrist’s Armageddon campaign for this reason. Islam cannot be diminished prior to Armageddon since, in their estimation, the Antichrist is a Muslim.” (Does Daniel Debunk the Assyrian Antichrist? Bill Salus, Prophecy Depot, Jan. 8, 2009)
    (Krieger Note: I would concur with this criticism – Islam simply cannot be diminished if the Islamic Assyrian Antichrist as Gog is defeated in the Gog-Magog War. We have elaborately differentiated between the Gog-Magog Conflict and the Armageddon Campaign—they are two distinctly unique conflicts in the prophetic time table (See: Antichrist and the Gog-Magog War). The Gog-Magog War pits Islamic states against the Antichrist (Daniel 11:40-43) and Israel (Ezekiel 38:1-23; 39:1-16). This is precisely why in Daniel 11:44 “news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many” – thus begins the Armageddon “Campaign” – and this final struggle is duplicated after the Gog-Magog War in Ezekiel 39:17-20 known as “My sacrificial meal” and referred to in Revelation 19:17 as the “supper of the great God” or “great supper of God.” A literal Islamic Antichrist, as the so-called Assyrian, simply cannot abide these chronologies because after Gog-Magog’s defeat, Armageddon’s Campaign ensues; unless, of course, one vainly attempts to merge the two incompatible conflicts into one!
    Of interest is the fact that the “literal Assyrian” and its counterpart, the “literal Assyrian” incarnation of Nimrod into an Assyrian body as Antichrist, is pulling toward the East or Eastern Roman Empire; whereas, this writer is pulling westward to Western Civilization’s (i.e., Greco-Roman Man’s) final outburst, the United States of America as undisputed Hegemon with unquestioned geopolitical world primacy.)

    Grace thru Faith (Jack Kelley)
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    “Since I don’t subscribe to the Assyrian Anti-Christ idea, I can only tell you why I don’t. I think proponents of this theory have two major problems. One is their misinterpretation of Isaiah 52:4 that I described in detail in this week’s feature article, The End Times According to Isaiah, Part 11.”
    “The other is their claim that since the Roman Army that destroyed the Temple in 70 AD was supposedly made up largely of Assyrian conscripts, and since Daniel 9:26 hints that the Anti-Christ will come from the people who destroyed the Temple, that means the Anti-Christ has to be Assyrian.”
    “Let’s say the Roman Legions really were filled with Assyrian soldiers. Assyria was part of the Roman Empire, their leaders were Roman, they were fighting under direct orders from Rome, they wore Roman uniforms and they were paid by Rome. Were it not for Rome the Assyrians wouldn’t have even been there. Simple logic would say it was the Romans who destroyed the Temple.” (An Assyrian Antichrist? – gracethrufaith.com) (Krieger Note: And Jack Kelley is absolutely correct.)

    TribWatch.com
    “It is this little clue that permits us to find the anti-Christ identified as ‘Assyria’ in four other chapters of Isaiah (10, 19, 30 and 31), in Micah 5:5-6, and Nahum 3:18. Historians, including many Christians, don't realize that Isaiah 10 is referring to a second Assyrian assault on Jerusalem, still to our future. This failure is quite amazing because Isaiah elsewhere depicts an end-time Assyria.”
    “Concerning ancient Assyria in its invasion of Jerusalem, Isaiah said: ‘So YHWH says this of the king of Assyria, he shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow here...I will defend over this city to save it’ (Isa. 37:33, 35). But because the Assyria in Isaiah 10 invades Jerusalem (i.e. ‘Mount Zion’) successfully (v 6), as God’s wrath poured out on the Jews yet, the prophecy cannot concern the ancient Assyria that God protected Jerusalem from. As of today, there has not yet been a successful invasion of Jerusalem by an Assyrian, wherefore Isaiah 10 has yet to be fulfilled.”
    “Note that the Isaiah 14 statement referring to end-time Assyria matches Gog’s destruction on Israel’s mountains: ‘to break Assyria in My Land, and trample him on My mountains’ (Isaiah 14:25). We find in the very same verse that the destruction of Assyria pertains to Armageddon: ‘This is the purpose that is purposed on all the earth, and this is the hand that is stretched out on all the nations’ (Isa. 14:25).”

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    (Krieger Note: Here, once again, not only does this writer attempt to compare Isaiah 14:24-27 with Gog – a “mountainous comparison” which simply does not fit – Gog-Magog’s conflict does not cover the face of the whole earth (Ezekiel 38:1-23; 39:1-16 gives very specific nations aligned with Gog against Israel; the same goes for Daniel 11:40-43) – the “whole earth” is not engaged until Ezekiel 39:17-20, a clear demarcation from the specificities found in the Gog-Magog Conflict in the earlier part of Ezekiel 38:1-23; 39:1-16.)
    “Here’s the anger of God against Israel: ‘Woe to Assyria, the rod of my anger! And My fury is the staff in their hand. I will send them against an ungodly nation [Israel], and against the people of My wrath. I will command him TO PLUNDER A PLUNDER, AND TO SPOIL A SPOIL’ (Isaiah 10:5-6). And look at what Gog comes to Israel to do according to Ezekiel: TO PLUNDER A PLUNDER, AND TO SPOIL A SPOIL’ (38:12). Same Hebrew words in both texts. The question is: why are both Gog and end-time Assyria to plunder Israel as per the LORD’S will, and both to be destroyed at Armageddon on the mountains of Israel? One answer is: they are one and the same. Some prophecy educators are willing to view the Assyrian of Isaiah as the anti-Christ, but not as Gog, even though the location of ancient Assyria is in the face of modern Russia and ancient Magog.” (The Nationality of Anti-Christ, taken from TribWatch.com, 1997)
    (Krieger Note: Here I would, once again, refute the author’s assertions wherein the Gog-Magog Conflict is blended together with the Armageddon Campaign—they are NOT the same conflict – to this a host of Premillenarians have so written. It may be that the Assyrian is destroyed at Armageddon’s conclusion as a prototype of Antichrist, but blending these conflicts serves no eschatological purpose but to confuse – the entire Seventieth Week of Daniel is fraught with war – the first 40 days of which is the Gog-Magog Conflict wherein a host of Islamic States are defeated via divine intervention, while Antichrist takes credit, and the rest of the week unto the 30 days of the 1,290 days of desolations is filled with the Armageddon Campaign. War is war – the same Hebrew words may be used – for war always involves plunder and spoil. I am far more inclined to associate the Assyrian with Antichrist—for this archetype is most definitely this character; however, by associating the Assyrian Antichrist with Gog simply confuses the final conflicts and destroys the passages in Daniel 11:40-44 wherein the Antichrist has defeated Gog-Magog and commences the Armageddon Campaign to “annihilate many.” In sum: Antichrist, be he the Assyrian or the King of Tyre or King of Babylon – all of his entitlements – is missing one obvious title at this stage of human history: Gog! It is not until we reach Revelation 20:8-10 wherein “Gog and Magog…to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea…they went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city…And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them” that he apparently reappears.

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    Now, pray tell, how is this possible after in point of glaring Biblical fact (Revelation 19:11-21) Antichrist-Beast, and the False Prophet Second Beast have both been “cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20) and the millenarian reign of a thousand years has transpired? These same individuals who blend both wars claim that this final, final conflict of Gog-Magog is also the same war of Ezekiel 38-39 and Armageddon is but the same as well. This (Rev. 20:8-10) is not a flashback to Revelation 19:17-21.)
    The question persists: Is the Gog referred to in Revelation 20 the same as the one in Ezekiel 38-39? Indeed, there are obvious similarities; however, in Revelation 20 there is no “individual commander” mentioned or supreme ruler. Both names (Gog and Magog) are simply shown to apply to “those nations in the four corners of the earth” who allow themselves to be deceived, once again, by Satan after he is released from the abyss. The opposing forces in both Ezekiel and Revelation are simply numerous; they attack on the basis of a widespread conspiracy and they are directed against God’s servants. I believe that a greater meaning of Gog and Magog’s reappearance at the end of the thousand years is discerned by the great Bible expositor, Donald G. Barnhouse.):



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    “The thousand years most certainly follow the incidents concerning Gog and Magog in Ezekiel’s prophecy. But we also see, in Ezekiel, that Gog and all his multitude is buried (Ezek. 39:11) at the time he is destroyed. This would give clear indication that there is a human being involved. But we believe that there is more than this. Not from speculation but from legitimate inference we can discern one or two other details. In Ezekiel we have two beings, Gog and Magog, who are leaders in the revolt against God and His people. They come under the wrath of God and their forces are destroyed. But a thousand years later, in the end of the final test of man, we find Satan loosed from his prison and somehow involved with characters with these same names. We believe, therefore, that just as Satan entered into Judas (John 13:27), whether personally or through one of his mighty principalities and powers we do not know, and as Satan clothed the human being called the wild beast, with his power, his throne, and great authority (Rev. 13:2), thus making him the Antichrist, so Satan possesses some princeling, perhaps named Gog, through one of his mighty angels who own his sway. A more striking example may be found elsewhere in Ezekiel where we see a being who is clearly a man, the prince of Tyre, leading us on to a description of another being, the king of Tyre, who is clearly Satan.”
    “That, then, which has satisfied our minds in this matter, is that some of Satan’s mighty angels, principalities, or powers which rule the darkness of this world (Eph. 6:12), take hold of earth’s dictators, use them for their ends, and are defeated by God at the great conflict of the destruction at Armageddon. The human instrumentalities are destroyed, but the demon forces live on, held back by the power of God until Satan is released after the thousand years. Whereupon they seize again some willing earthling and seek to lead the peoples against God in their final rebellion” (Donald Grey Barnhouse, Revelation, An Expositional Commentary, Zondervan Publishing House, pp. 387-8)
    (Krieger Note: This is a rare insight into Gog and Magog which we have rarely seen in evangelical eschatology, and, I might add, one of the finest. Suffice it to say, the Gog-Magog conflagration mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39 is not the same as the one mentioned in Revelation 20 – the two are wholly separated by over a thousand years; likewise, neither is the Gog-Magog War of Ezekiel 38 and portions of Ezekiel 39 (vs. 1-16) connected to the Armageddon Campaign – these two are wholly separate conflicts within the crucible of the Seventieth Week of Daniel; thereby is the distinct and impossible identification of the literal, ethnic Assyrian – Nimrod – the Muslim – connected with Armageddon as Gog-Magog (lest Gog-Magog, the King of the North and his southern allies, the King of the South find themselves as the Assyrian Antichrist fighting themselves and not, as stated in Daniel 11:40-44 wherein Gog-Magog “shall attack him: and “shall come against him” only to be defeated by Antichrist who shall in turn pursue “news from the east and the north” which “shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many”). Gog-Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is comprised of those nations which today are primarily Islamic states. Their demise at the commencement of Daniel’s Seventieth Week by divine intervention as they come up against Israel (the target of the Islamic Allied forces) in Ezekiel 38-39 AND as they come up against Antichrist, who appears in league with Israel at the commencement of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, and who shall obviously take credit for the divine intervention!
    Furthermore, the Merchants or Ships of Tarshish (Ezekiel 38:13) – the Western trading nations, undoubtedly at this stage headed up by the King of Tyre himself, the great exploiter of wealth and commerce – along with their trading allies of the Saudi Arabian Peninsula, Sheba and Dedan, who are also entitled as “traders and merchants” (Ezekiel 27:15-23) – find it in their interest, and under the guise as Israel’s protector(s), to question the intentions of Gog. It is no small observation that the lament for Tyre and of the King of Tyre transfigures the place and the person into the Satanic figure who was “in Eden, the garden of God…the anointed cherub who covers…till iniquity was found in you” (Ezekiel 28:13-16) whose “abundance of trading became filled with violence” (for world trade and those who so piously tout the praises of globalism are quick to enforce their quest through the prosecution of war). It is no small thing, therefore, when the “Merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions” in league with Sheba and Dedan, resist the Islamic hoards headed up by Gog as chief intimidator of Israel in Ezekiel 38.)

    RODRIGO SILVA AND THE HAPLESS KURDS – THE ANCIENT ASSYRIANS & THE ISLAMIC 10 KINGS
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    “‘From you, O Nineveh, has one come forth who plots evil against the LORD and counsels wickedness.’ (Nahum 1:11) NIV”
    “Assyria on the other hand does not exist as a nation. The Assyrian people were preserved after going through much genocide and today live in the Nineveh Plains of North Iraq near the city of Mosul. If the Bible refers to the Antichrist as an Assyrian and tells us that Assyria will play a major role in the end times, it is plausible to conclude that Assyria must become an independent state in Northern Iraq. I strongly believe it will be the eleventh horn to rise after the 10 horns which we have already mentioned above. The resurrection of Assyria will make it the eighth head of the beast which was one of the seven and the eleventh horn of Daniel 7 after the first ten are already in place of authority in the Middle East. One thing that is also very intriguing is the fact that Assyria joins a confederacy of Arab nations in Psalm 83 where we read:
    “There have been talks about dividing Iraq in three main regional sectors between Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds. The Assyrians are begging the Western powers to allow them to have their own autonomous state in Iraq and this is not far from becoming a reality. The defenders of the

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    Roman (European Antichrist) theory do not seem to see this reality before their eyes. They insist that the Antichrist must be a Roman since it was the Roman army that destroyed Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple in 70 AD just as Daniel predicted that the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. This prophecy was fulfilled when the Roman army under Titus invaded Jerusalem destroying the city and the Temple. Yes, the soldiers were wearing Roman uniforms but they were not Europeans (Italians, French, Germans) as many assume. The majority of the soldiers of the legions 5, 10, 12 and 15 were Syrians. These legions came from the Syrian province of the Roman empire which recruited locals to be members of their garrisons.”
    (Krieger Note: The Legio V Macedonica was definitely Greek and primarily stationed in Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia; the 10th Legion originally was Roman but moved to Syria… X Fretensis moved to Syria. In 6 AD it was stationed in that province together with legions III Gallica, VI Ferrata, and XII Fulminata. Furthermore, it would appear that the Legio XV Apollinaris was decidedly Roman (Italian/European) in ethnicity, although it was moved by Nero to Syria in 61 or 62 AD. The origins of all the legions which destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple did not have their beginnings in Syria. The arrival of the Legio XV Apollinaris just prior to Jerusalem’s demise is telling; therefore, to say these legions were of Syrian ethnicity is a stretch of “legion history.” Silva has no qualms in convincing us that not only is the Assyrian from a reconstituted Assyria from amongst today’s Kurds, but that the 10 Kings who are given authority by the Beast (the 11th Horn or Antichrist, the Assyrian or Kurdish state) are all Islamic states.)
    “I personally believe that the term ‘Assyrian'’ refers to a literal Assyrian leader to rise out of a new Assyrian nation to be reborn in Northern Iraq to be the eighth head of the beast which was wounded but will be resurrected and to be the eleventh horn of the beast of Daniel 7 to rise among 10 kings which will be already in power whom I suspect could be 1-Syria 2-Turkey 3-Egypt 4-Jordan 5-Lebanon 6-Sudan or Libya 7-Iraq 8-Iran 9-Pakistan 10-Afghanistan as mentioned in our article titled: The 10 Kings of the Beast: They Come From The East. Rodrigo Silva, 9/15/08)”
    (Krieger Note: The Bible also refers to Antichrist as the King of Babylon and as the King of Tyre – neither one of these two designations has anything to do with the land of ancient Assyria (aside from the fact that both were within the Assyrian Empire at one point; however, the composition of the Beast found in Revelation 13 constitutes those empires far in expanse of the original territorial boundaries of ancient Assyria—Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece. For the whole earth to follow after the Assyrian Beast is simply so farfetched that it flies in the face of all prophetic sensibilities and, most definitely, geopolitical realities. I know of no other eschatologists who identify the ten nations so described by Silva to be these Islamic states, none.)

    THE ASSYRIAN NAZI
    Just when you thought we’ve exhausted our search for The Assyrian we come to this: The Assyrian is the Antichrist from Germany?
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    “As the title suggests, there are two parts of the question. Part one, the Assyrian, is much more cut and dry for this word is mentioned, ironically, thirteen times and all of them are located in the Old Covenant. The Assyrian (Antichrist) has been mentioned in 13 Scriptures, here are the other references the Antichrist is located: Micah 5:5, 6; Ezekiel 31:3; Isaiah 23:13; 30:31; 31:8; and 52:4. Zechariah 10:11 says that he will pass through the sea with affliction and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the scepter of Egypt shall depart away. The Assyrians were the first builders of major paved roads for logistical support of the armies to invade their neighbors. Also, the Assyrians were the first to use iron chariots (i.e., mechanized vehicles of war). They were superb warriors like their SS counterparts in World War II. Note in the pictures below similarities of the winged God of the Assyrians overlooking the scene, and the symbol of the Nazi Regime. Could it be possible that Germany is the descendants of the Assyrians?”
    (Assyria and Germany in Anglo-Israelism, from Wikipedia – also, Steve Quayle from his article entitled: The Assyrian: An Antichrist from Germany)
    (Krieger Note: This does not end here – the Germans cannot escape “the Assyrian Connection” . . . again, according to Steve Quayle (and, trust me, he’s not alone in this association of Germans with Assyria) – I include this obscurity, not for its scholarship, but nigh as urban myth and the endless search for the Assyrian Antichrist. The following paragraphs have been quoted in the aforementioned author in his article called “Germany in Prophecy”.)

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    “According to Peter Salemi, in his article ‘Germany in Prophecy’, the Assyrians migrated North into the mountains towards Europe and credits the Book of Nahum 3:18, which said, ‘….thy people is scattered upon the mountains, and no man gathereth them.’ The Causcaus Mountains between the Black and the Caspian Sea are near the region of Assyria. In II Kings 19:36-37, when Adrammelech and Sharezer smote their father and they escaped into the land of Armenia which has been translated to render ‘Ararat’ which is between the Black and the Caspian sea just NORTH of Assyria.” (Ibid.)
    “According to the Roman historian, Pliny, ‘…a warlike people called the Assyriani that inhabited the region NORTH of the Black Sea’. At that time, the Roman historians attached a name to these ‘warlike’ people. They named them ‘Teutons.’ The Romans whose unaccustomed ears tried to translate into their own tongue the names of these fierce Germanic-peoples rendered the ‘Deutschen’ as the ‘Teutons.’”

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    “German historians are united in their description of an hostile, warlike people inhabiting central Europe who came into confrontation with an expanding Roman Empire, causing the Romans to build their famous limes (defense positions and walls) and station legions along their northern borders to stop the advancing warlike hordes. Jerome (Latin scholar c.340-420), who lived at the time when the Indo-Germanic tribes were invading Europe, gives the answer: ‘For ‘Assur (the Assyrian) also is joined with them [Cimbric Tribes] invading Western Europe, ALONG THE RHINE’! (Letter 123, § 16; from Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers.)”
    “The Germans refer to themselves as DEUTSCHE, and to their country as DEUTSCHLAND. Why? Let’s turn back the pages of history for the answer. The Assyrians anciently called their land Athur -- the Indo-Germanic form of the Semitic word ‘Asshur’ (Encyclopedia Britannica, article, Mesopotamia). Sometimes the name Athur was shortened simply to Tyr in the Indo-European tongue. Asshur or Tyr was worshipped as the god of war by all the ancient world.”
    “His name was placed on the THIRD DAY of the week -- called ‘Tuesday’ in the English-speaking world. Tuesday is Asshur’s day. Tuesday is from an old Saxon word meaning Tiw’s day. Tiw was the god of war of the Germanic people of Europe. Tiw, or Tiwe, was also known by the name Tyr -- that is, Asshur. Tiw is another name of Asshur! The Assyrians knew Asshur or Tyr was their ancestor. We should expect, therefore, that when they migrated to Europe they would still be known as the sons of Tyr or Tiw, that is, Asshur. And what do we find? When the Germans appeared in Europe, they claimed Tyr or Tiw as their ancestor! But what has the name Deutsche to do with Tiw? The modern German word Deutsche -- as educated Germans know -- is derived from the old Anglo-Saxon word Tiw. (See any thorough book on etymology and word derivations.) Whenever a German calls himself Deutsche, he is saying he is Tiw’s or Asshur’s son -- an Assyrian. And when he terms his country Deutschland, he is saying Tiw’s or Asshur’s land -- Assyria! Even ancient Hindu literature uses both the word Asgras and Daityas to refer to the Assyrians. Daityas is but a Sanskrit word for Deutsch -- a name applied to the Assyrians over 1500 years before the birth of Christ! The Assyrians were the first builders of major paved roads for logistical support of the armies to invade their neighbors. Also, the Assyrians were the first to use iron chariots (i.e., mechanized vehicles of war). They were superb warriors like their SS counterparts in World War II.” (Taken from The World of Steve Quayle) (Krieger Note: A casual search of German origins does not bear witness to any Assyrian connection.)

    CONCLUSION
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    Truly, we have traversed the expanse of the Assyrian – and, unfortunately, there is much more to this mysterious figure in his relationship to the final Antichrist. In sum, the Antichrist is the Assyrian, but he is likewise, the King of Babylon, King of Tyre, the Willful King, the Little Horn, the Beast, the “prince who is to come” – and the Antichrist – along with many more entitlements. He is the “prince of the people who shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” (my quotes). I found it, once again, debilitating and unbelievable that the vast audience of eschatologists have absolutely no inkling that the Assyrian of the Last Days, the one who bears the mark of Nimrod, the first warrior named the “mighty hunter against the Lord” – the originator of the Seven-headed Beast of Revelation 13:1 – has anything to do with the presence of the zenith of civilization which occupies the land of the ancient Assyrians and Babylonians and who is the current Protector of Israel, as well as the one who bears the hatred of the Islamic street, while commanding the subservience of the NATO Alliance and demanding through her international globalist trade policies all trade flows because of her wealth. What poverty of insight belies the prophetic pundits, so few, so very few grasp the times in which we live…
    Now, be it stated, it is this one who stands in total opposition to the plans and purposes of the Almighty, whom, we are enjoined, to “resist steadfast in the faith.” In this finality of the Rise or Fall of American Empire? may I quote from G. H. Lang’s 1950, 4th Edition of The Histories and Prophecies of Daniel (originally written in 1940 during the Battle of Britain):
    “Certain prominent conditions which in acme are to mark the End Days seem to have set in.
    I. In Christendom—(i) A vast apostasy among Protestants from the apostolic faith; (ii) A consequent immense turning to spiritism in its various guises (Note: The New Age Movement); (iii) A powerful movement toward reunion of denominations that may well develop into ‘Mystery Babylon the great’ (Rev. 17).
    II. In Jewry—(i) The lapse of multitudes from any acknowledgement of the God of Israel; (ii) A steady resettlement in their own land in this unbelief; (iii) The establishment of a Jewish State, which can make treaties.
    III. In the world—(i) the re-opening of the Middle East, and the tendency of world politics to center there; (ii) The intense and sinister nationalism which precipitates international strife; (iii) Yet the effort after co-operation which may issue in the ‘ten horns’; (iv) The fermenting and awakening in the Far East, in preparation for its part at the end time.
    IV. Among true Christians—(i) The searching into prophecy; (ii) The longing after practical holiness, the indispensable condition for meeting the Lord in peace when He comes; (iii) The zeal in spreading the gospel among all nations.”

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    “But in spite of this cumulating ground of hope that the End nears, the past teaches caution, more caution, yea, much more caution than many writers and speakers show. Quotations enough could be given from good men who long since thought that conditions would culminate very speedily and the Lord’s return. Events have often moved strikingly and rapidly, but then there have as often come periods of slowing down. It may be so again. And it at least remains uncertain whether the vast wars in the Mediterranean and Near East outlined in Daniel 7 and 11 as to usher in the End, have yet come and therefore whether the End Time has yet commenced.”
    “The final and chief practical lesson is, that the personal return and reign of the Lord Jesus Christ is God’s solution for earth’s misery. Let us be ever looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God (II Peter 3:12); let us, with John and Christ, James and Jude, Peter and Paul preach persistently the good news of the kingdom of God, and not merely that part of it which announces the forgiveness of sins. It is the only message of salvation for the individual; it is equally the needed and blessed message of hope for the race corporate.”
    “‘Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. TO HIM BE THE GLORY BOTH NOW AND FOR EVER, AMEN’” (II Peter 3:17, 18) (The Histories and Prophecies of Daniel, G. H. Lang, pp. 185-6)

    CHRIST vs. ANTICHRIST – MICAH 5
    As the dust clears from our determined research regarding the identity of “the Assyrian” – let it be abundantly clear, his original capture of the Northern Ten Tribes of Israel, brings him into abundant focus as the archetype of the Antichrist and his title of the Asshur and Nimrod substantiate his identity as supreme foe “against the Lord.”
    Micah’s juxtapositions are astounding – for the initial herald of the Messiah and his Second Coming could not be made plainer; nor can the deliberate contrast of Israel’s archfiend, the Antichrist, as the Assyrian, so dramatically contrasted.
    His first coming…
    “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting” (lit. “days of eternity”) (Micah 5:2; John 7:42; Isa. 9:6).
    This is immediately followed by Israel’s dispersion and ultimate regathering and the Second Coming of Messiah:

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    “Therefore He shall give them up, until the time that she who is in labor has given birth; then the remnant of His brethren shall return to the children of Israel. And He shall stand and feed His flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD His God; and they shall abide, for now He shall be great to the ends of the earth; and this One shall be peace” (Micah 5:3-5a).
    It is in diametric contrast that THE ASSYRIAN – the final Antichrist – shall confront the remnant of Israel at the end of days:
    “When the Assyrian comes into our land, and when he treads in our palaces, then we will raise against him Seven shepherds and eight princely men. They shall waste with the sword the land of Assyria, and the land of Nimrod at its entrance” (Micah 5:5b-6a).
    And, it is at this time that “this One” (the Messiah of Israel – for “the Deliverer shall come forth out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob” – Romans 11:26) … “Thus He shall deliver us from the Assyrian, when he comes into our land and when he treads within our borders” (Micah 5:6b).
    Furthermore, once the final deliverance is affected…
    “Then the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many peoples, like dew from the LORD, like showers on the grass, that tarry for no man nor wait for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of the forest, like a young lion among flocks of sheep, who, if he passes through, both treads down and tears in pieces, and none can deliver. Your hand shall be lifted against your adversaries, and all your enemies shall be cut off” (Micah 5:7-9).
    This is the fulfillment of His commitment to Jacob – “For this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins” (Romans 11:27; Isaiah 27:9).
    It is an uncontested truth that the Messiah of Israel on that day shall defeat the Assyrian, the final Antichrist because THIS ONE is Lord of lords, and King of kings and He shall reign forever and ever in the majesty of the name of the LORD His God – for now He shall be great to the ends of the earth; and this One shall be peace – for without Him there is no peace!

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    With this conclusion – may I ask you bluntly: Have you surrendered to “this One” to His peace? Bethlehem’s manger brought forth in obscurity the Ruler in Israel whose goings forth are from the days of eternity – for “before Abraham was I am” (John 8:58). But He, “being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men…and being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross…therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:6-11).
    His death on the cross was for you, for me – have you bowed your knee to Jesus? – You can, you must; don’t hesitate – acknowledge His cross as the end of your effort to deliver yourself, to save yourself; and as doubting Thomas declared in that room, even so do we all: MY LORD AND MY GOD!


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    Shenandoah - Posted Jan 22nd

    WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM
    (Revelation 13:4)

    By Doug Krieger
    mia.
    Recently I received what I call a “prophetic disturbance in the force” from one of my critics (and I have many) who resoundingly affirms that America’s death (and rumors thereof) should be greatly exaggerated—especially, her military capabilities!

    unlike the enlightened Premillenarians present fulfillment and perceives the likes of the Tribulation Network naught but part and parcel of a vast and most subtle Zionist conspiracy akin to the Da Vinci Code (I presume). Furthermore, he assumes that Babylon on the Hudson is both inept and prophetically disqualified to assume the final phase of the latter-day Babylon the Great.

    Peter, taking his queue from the likes, no doubt, of Barbara Aho—and those like Constance Cumbey, Herb Peters and scores of American evangelical prophetic aspirants—subscribes to the prophetically-bankrupt notion of a Euro-Centric Antichrist, or, worse yet, Islam is the Antichrist! The ramifications of these Euro-Centric proponents of Antichrist—and the fringe elements of their convictions who espouse anti-Semitic claptrap—are what this article is all about.

    Peter et al are loathe to admit that the Jews occupy little eschatological relevance aside from a torturous tribulation preparatory to the Second Coming of Christ. And, some, like Aho, who deny through conspiratorial deflection their own Christian Identity roots, are vehement in their quest (again, a al The Da Vinci Code) to stigmatize today’s Jews as imposters, conspiring to catapult the world into Armageddon.

    This article, then, is a sort of rambling exchange between a perspective which attempts to deflect attention away from America—this time by a European (the Brit living from time to time in Germany)— placing the onus of Antichrist either upon Islam or, most certainly, any place or person apart from the United States of America and her fine citizenry.

    AMERICA’S DEATH HAS BEEN GREATLY EXAGGERATED!

    Peter’s remarks are italicized . . .

    mib.
    Well, Douglas, when are the prophecies of people like yourself and Steve Shearer going to become reality?

    The invincible American war machine that's going to rule the planet doesn't look quite so invincible now does it? Just like in Vietnam where a bunch of peasants dressed in black pajamas and wearing straw hats and carrying little more than AK47's beat the crap out of the world's most technologically advanced army, so in Iraq a bunch of Arab peasants dressed in bedclothes and equipped with basic weaponry are doing the same thing again. It’s absolutely clear that both Republican and Democrat candidates in the 2008 elections are going to run on the “I’ll bring the troops home ticket.”

    Only dictatorships are able to fight long wars of attrition, democracies don't have the stomach for them. And far from George Bush setting himself up as dictator of America after his second term win as predicted by Steve Shearer and others not even the predicted draft has been reinstated. You guys don't seem to have even caught onto the fact that the lesson the military drew from the Vietnam experience was that the day you introduce a draft is the day that your war is numbered. No one is going to cry too much over people who volunteered for jobs as soldiers in the full knowledge that it could involve them being killed.

    Well, Peter, don’t you find it a bit disconcerting that the fallibility of America’s war machine has somehow snuffed out Al-Qaeda’s #1 hit man in Iraq: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi?

    Perhaps this went unnoticed by the myriads of Euro-Centric Antichrist proponents who somehow affirm their own invincibilities insofar as Javier Salana’s new Revived Roman Empire with its Euro-Military machine? A minimal Goggle search comparing the military might and infrastructure of America’s colossus vs. the midget-military incapacities of European nation states is so laughable that to countenance any comparison between the two is ludicrous to the extreme—a genuine waste of internet time and space!

    Alas! Who sits a stride the banks of the Euphrates and Tigris? What Western power has little or no commendation to absent itself from the heart of Ancient Babylon, Iraq? Who is currently building the greatest foreign embassy the world has ever seen in the heart of Baghdad—hardly an equivalent helicopter retreat a la Saigon’s alleged debacle and seemingly a wholly different strategy than the timidity witnessed in Viet Nam?

    In spite of America’s seeming disgrace in Viet Nam—for the real prize was China’s economic contribution to Babylon’s hegemonic efforts throughout the region and world—she has utterly no intention of folding her tent in the Beautiful Land as she feigned to do in Southeast Asia.

    OPERATION IRAQI LIBERATION or O.I.L.

    mic.
    You see, my dear friend Peter, one must see the larger picture of things—the younger or Eleventh Horn of Daniel’s vision (Daniel 7:20), simply put, has an “appearance greater than his fellows” – and, if you would but reference your British counterparts (e.g., Jane’s Military Intelligence), you would, as I, profoundly perceive the colossus a stride the Euphrates is loathe to compare itself to the Euro-midget militaries of the Europeans!

    Accentuating Babylon’s intentions—and, primarily the supremacy of her leader, who you so deprecate by relegating his capabilities to the same dumb polls who long ago exaggerated his political death—her fearless leader with unmitigated chutzpa flaunts his presence (just in case you’re not sure who’s leadin’ this charge) right in front of the entire world of Islam. Nothing like looking into the eyes of American democracy at work in establishing her American New World Order system.

    mid.
    Peter, I’m surprised . . . why is it that you so despise America’s unquestioned leadership of Babylon the Great? Is it that you refuse to confirm the overt, the obvious? My, my—perhaps our European forebears are altogether blindsided. The past one hundred years they have had to reluctantly relinquish their claims to colonial empire. They’ve been forced to take a back seat to the rise of Babylon’s Eleventh Horn—that hideous multicultural Beast who so disgusts you.

    Hey, quit being a sore loser! What you have birthed will one day—if not now, very soon—come back and demand the following from you, until . . .

    “These (i.e., “the ten horns/ten kings” of Revelation 17:12—of a Revived Western Roman imperial façade) are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast” (Revelation 17:13).

    So, Peter, get over it—get used to it ‘ole chap—it’s only a matter of time. Now, before we contemplate your inane condescensions—consider the repeated viewing of the photo below showing the two 500-pound smart bombs destroying Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s safe house—akin to General Schwarzkopf’s Gulf War press debriefing of the guy blown to smithereens on the bridge by American smart bombs—wrong place, at the wrong time; simply put: You don’t want to get into the crosshairs of American military technology—this is what happens!
    mie.
    Your discrepancies relative to the awesome strength of US-military superiority—are naught but relics of the Old Europe; akin to the conspiratorial distractions of Dan Brown’s novel: The Da Vinci Code.

    Interesting, isn’t it, how we American Babylonians are so clever in keeping the focus of Antichrist’s origins upon the shores of the European continent? Of course, we have only the Europeans to thank for that, as they flock in record numbers to view the American subterfuge—and why? Because their false sense of superiority only exceeds their North American rejects! So gander on the obliteration of the formidable, invincible Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and ponder: Osama, look what awaits you:

    Peter continues . . .

    As to your belief that it's false Christianity that is going to be responsible for the end time’s deception, it could just as well be that Islam has the bulk of Christians believing that the Arabs are the true descendants of Abraham and Islam represents true Christianity. Your assertion that Western liberalism isn’t going to allow fanatical Islamic Governments to interfere with Western European countries with huge Muslim populations in the millions to interfere with their way of life, well, that is exactly what is happening—these European governments are running scared.

    In Britain the media is full of programs "explaining" Islam to those "misguided" enough to think of it as intolerant and barbaric and a Muslim radical Tariq Ali has been given his own program on a public TV channel to "correct public misconceptions". Not one newspaper or national media outlet in Britain (or America, I believe) had the courage to reproduce the Danish cartoon. Liberal Left academics all over Europe are feverishly working to promote Islam as the face of reasonable religion and Christianity as the face of conflict and intolerance, not because they believe it, quite the contrary, it's because they see that along with homosexuals, women, and non-Europeans, Islam can be used to help overthrow the white Anglo-Saxon, heterosexual male dominated social order. In other words they are quite willing to knowingly climb into bed with the Devil in order to achieve their world vision, a vision which doesn't include Christianity.

    How could that happen with America the mighty around to prevent such a thing, you ask? It's simple, the US won't be around - read Revelations 18. I know that Revelation is a favorite of yours except that you are pretty selective in its use. I noted in your piece on the reaction to the Danish cartoon you mention the "merchants of the earth" but not in context:

    "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her for Babylon the Great is no more."

    The USA is Babylon the Great which you admit, Babylon being a synonym for multiculturalism, so then why don’t you accept what the author of Revelation says about it? That the US is going to be destroyed by some apparent natural phenomenon which has the consequence of world economic collapse. It can’t possibly be read in a way which has it happening after, what you say, is the American yoke being laid on the world.

    ISLAM, EURO-SECULARISM AND THE DEMISE OF EURO-CHRISTIANITY

    I know this is a bit difficult to follow—but the sum and substance of what Peter is trying to say here appears to accredit Babylon’s immediate rise to that of the USA, while Europe continues to reel under the onslaughts of a conversionary and militant Islam making ever aggressive incursions into a weakened and secularized Europe bent on ridding itself of cultural Christianity. This mildly fits into Peter’s eschatological schematic: Islam is the Antichrist. European decadent Christianity simply implodes, given the triumvirate of forces which have and are converging upon her decrepit society: Secular humanism, radical Islam, and Roman Catholic ecumenism.

    Peter, your analysis of Islam’s successes in Europe is in conflict with apparent socio-political realities. The anti-Islamic cartoons were in fact carried throughout Europe and here in the States—and throughout the blogosphere. My thesis is impregnable: European secularism is not at peace with militant Islam nor with America’s militant Christianity (juxtaposed to that of Europe’s sickly religious deception); however, she is uncompromised in defending her secular freedoms—freedoms which her American counterparts so grossly celebrate, notwithstanding America’s religious embarrassments. When the dust clears—“Cultural Christianity” will survive and thrive—fed by American Christian militancy and so-called democratic ideals.
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    Sorry, I’m not buying Islam’s Antichrist—an old European conclusion wrought by Popes and crusaders. I’m not surprised that an Anglican would hold to such a prejudice, given Europe’s proximity to Islam’s Caliphates and centuries of struggle. I fear that the spirit of Richard the Lion-hearted hath seized upon you! No wonder our articles concerning the “Antichrist is not a Jew, the Pope, Islam, nor a New Age Joke” disturbed you to the core.

    Insofar as America’s demise in Revelation 18—bravo, you see through a glass darkly, but nevertheless, you do see!

    Let it be known that Revelation 18 clearly spells the demise of Commercial Babylon—but hardly that of her military, now spread throughout the planet, but nigh concentrated in the Middle East to protect and expand her quest for the hidden treasures of the region.


    You are sadly mistaken if for one minute you assume that an immediate and cataclysmic​
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    event will hasten Babylon’s judgment prior to the world’s subjugation by the Empire—all Scripture cries out against it.

    Babylon’s commercial destruction occurs at the finality of the 70th Week of Daniel—fast on the heels of the destruction of an apostate religious system led by a corrupt Christendom (Revelation 17)!

    The “seas and the waves roaring” occurs just prior to the coming of the Son of Man (Luke 21:25-28). I do not conjecture here—but those who forecast a mega-tsunami caused by the massive collapse of the stratovolcanic slopes found on the Isle of La Palma in the Canary Islands off West Africa (recently popularized on the Discovery Channel—sending a wall of water inundating the entire Eastern seaboard of the USA for 12 miles inland)—can rest assured that such will NOT be the case until the Son of Man appears.

    THE JEWS ARE BEHIND SHEARER AND KRIEGER

    When all else fails—blame it on the Jews! Peter, you somehow have managed, once again, to align our fine efforts with those of the Jewish Roots movement—a movement’s reality heartily embraced by the likes of conspiratorialists like Barbara Aho (Please see her anti-Semitic convolutions
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    at: http://watch.pair.com/HRM.html entitled: The Hebraic Roots Movement)—never was there a hodgepodge of gobbledygook so concentrated upon the internet. Imagine, blasting evangelist Jacob Prasch, while extolling the Nazi, Nesta H. Webster—quoting from her vehemence: Secret Societies and Subversion Movements—as if there were some form of academic credibility bursting forth from her hateful pen!

    How convenient to sentence us to a deviant form of Kabalistic nonsense—I had no idea that I’d find myself with the likes of Barbara Streisand and Madonna! Alas! Caught with Aho’s crypto-Catholics and the Jews of the Priory of Sion—man, wait until Dan Brown’s sequel: The Antichrist IS a Jew—How Krieger & Shearer Built the Third Temple through Free Masonry, the Knights Templar, and Opus Dei!



    KRIEGER & SHEARER—A ZIONIST PLOT!

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    The reason why people like you and Steve Shearer refuse to accept John’s words is because it doesn’t fit in with your pet theories about the evil US empire, either that or you’re carrying on a disinformation campaign on behalf of someone. The Zionists perhaps? We know that organizations like yours and Shearer’s are part of the Jewish Roots movement. Although it doesn’t seem to have occurred to you people that the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people - the Christians are, and secondly, the Jews are not back in Palestine because God willed it.

    How can they be, they are still in a state of disobedience and rebellion towards God, they haven’t said "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" - which is the acceptance of Jesus Christ and the prerequisite as Jesus said for God forgiving them.

    But a greater point to be made here is that all the end time’s prophets are false prophets for as the writer of Revelation makes clear there are to be no more prophets:

    "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." Rev.22:18

    And Jesus himself tells us that there are to be no more prophets until he himself comes again:

    "And many false prophets shall arise and deceive many." Matt.24:11

    Well, Douglas et al, how do you like being false prophets?

    Peter—I once was fascinated by an old Chinese Christian who on occasion used the example of a fox and a tail. You would not know that the fox was a fox “until the tail came out?” Why, it could have been a nice dog—but once you saw the tail—then you knew the creature to be a fox.

    Peter—I fear you have entered into the Chinese metaphor—naturally, and tragically, into your Weltanschauung has crept the tail-tale signs of a virulent anti-Semitism, rife with all its vile trappings and classical accoutrements. This IS what’s dangerous about you, Aho, and the entire British Israelism/Christian Identity movement. It is fraught with Dominionism, Christian Reconstruction Triumphalism, and, worse yet, the ultimate Frankenstein: The Theocratic State—Satan’s Apostate counterfeit of the Kingdom of God on earth.

    Finding solace in a Germanic Germany or an Anglo-Saxon sanctuary, is a futile endeavor having nothing whatsoever to do with the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ! The insidious nature of Jewish hatred is nothing more than hatred projected “Against the Lord and against His Messiah!”

    “Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against His Messiah, saying, ‘Let us break Their bonds in pieces and cast away Their cords from us.’” (Psalm 2:1-3)

    Remember, Peter, these final words:

    “He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, and distress them in His deep displeasure: ‘Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion” (Psalm 2:4-6).

    PROPHETS RULE

    Oh, with regards to the absence of prophets in these last days—let me disabuse you of that inane notion and/or aversion to taking up such a mantel. It is precisely in the context of the final judgments of the Almighty upon the earth at the very close of this age—when the SEVEN THUNDERS reverberate their chorus upon humankind:
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    “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them . . . that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets” (Note: If this isn’t the conclusion of this age—nothing is!) (Revelation 10:4b, 6b-7).

    “Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, ‘Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.’ So I went to the angel and said to him, ‘Give me the little book,’ and he said to me, ‘Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.’ Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. And he said to me, ‘You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.’

    “Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, ‘Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will PROPHESY one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.’ These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth” (Revelation 10:8-11; 11:1-4).

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    True prophets—though they be far and few between—are not here to take polls, win friends, and influence people. Much to your chagrin, I am sure, they will continue their bombasts—the roll of their thunder can be heard in the distance—but soon the fire of the Holy Spirit will consume their enemies.

    “And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies” (Revelation 11:5a).

    Maddening, isn’t it? Preposterous prophets prodding and provoking the planet with their protestations—calling humankind to repentance and declaring the Gospel of the Kingdom of His dear Son! Shock of shocks that it is the TESTIMONY OF JESUS which is the spirit of PROPHECY that disturbs in the midst of the Tribulation of the last days.

    Camouflaging Antichrist, blaming the Jews for all the world’s ills, and seizing the kingdom by force—these be the trident of the Devil’s instrument of destruction . . . but he knows his time is short, he is the more enraged!

    Where is Christ in all this? He is there, calling through His prophets, men and women to repentance. It would be expected and “Biblical” to have recorded what the Seven Thunders uttered—but that is NOT God’s methodology of the Last Days! No—dear Peter—His demands will be conveyed by true prophets in the midst of a chorus of prolific phonies who will abound prior to the coming of Christ.

    How does it feel to be one of the false prophets? I wouldn’t know . . .
    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/dougkrieger/who_is_able_to_make_war_with_him.htm

    JESUS CHRIST DOES THE WORK OF ANTICHRIST?
    A perfectly timed heresy . . . says who?


    By
    Doug Krieger

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    Once again, the ugly head of attributing the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ has risen its “wounded head” upon our brethren. Eschatological nuances of this nature confirm in the minds of prophetic predators like Rick Warren, and other long-distance learners, that we who dabble in this realm of the peculiar should either stay there on the socio-theological periphery or die trying to prove our subtlety.

    Those who realize such rarified distinction within evangelicalism are not as naïve as we may appear, nor do we consider such distractions as peripheral as our critics charge—for the devil is in the details; and that’s what you’re about to witness. Food fights over the Book of Daniel, and especially his numerology, and particularly his 70th Week, are ceaseless . . . but times running out on the prophetic clock—the language of pleasantries can no longer be tolerated in this postmodern age of relativism and alleged Christian courtesy . . . just when you thought that unity in the cause of the gospel should take precedence over doctrinal nitpicking of these less visible shadows amongst the holy.

    The implications and action corollaries embedded in these nuances are horrific in so far as the Church’s witness to the world concerns—and their ramifications to His One Body are on the line if we discard these prophetic distinctions as transitory sightings on theological radars that involve little or no traffic in the first place. Not so. A little unknown carpenter rocked the world and continues to shake the nations—that’s precisely why the discovery of the entire Seventieth Week of Daniel in the Revelation and the ubiquitous desecration of the sanctuary in Daniel will rock the Church in the latter days more so than “the just shall live by faith” rocked the Reformation in its day.

    Theologically speaking – as Christology was contested in the early Church; as Soteriology defined the Reformation; as Ecclesiology and World Evangelism wrought great changes within the Church in the 1700 and 1800’s – even so, Eschatology has entered the arena as the final event under the unction of the Holy Spirit to take center stage for the battle of the soul of the Church. Even so, those who claim the current age is the Messianic Age in toto (Amillennialism) or those who dispense with any future Millennium (Post-Millennialism or Preterism) or those Premillenarians who assert that Daniel’s Seventieth Week fully or partially ended will find themselves attributing the work of Jesus Christ to Antichrist; and will, in point of theological fact, discover they have embraced a most wretched heresy!

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    So let us examine these recent demarcations—these novel and disturbing doctrines which are contrived to support sundry agendas in this final end-time’s battle. To some who find such hair-splitting beclouded in the elevated shrine of “who cares” or “so what” or “there he goes again” – don’t worry, better to observe these ionospheric platitudes than to have them descend from the mountain upon your unsuspecting and disinterested valley – for then it may be too late to adjust your indifference to what really is very essential for survival, given the impending viscosity of the volcanic mud about to descend upon your village.

    And, remember, what Noah Hutchings once said is altogether potently true today:

    “The reason the 9th chapter of Daniel is the proof test of Bible prophecy is that it tells the exact date when the restoration of Jerusalem would begin after the Babylonian captivity and how long it would take. It informs us of the crucifixion of Jesus, the destruction of Jerusalem, and the 7 years preceding His coming again. All these things were written over 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ. It still stands as the cornerstone of Bible prophecy, proof that God knows all things from beginning to end.” (Lambert Dolphin Library)

    I would add that Noah’s insightful observation regarding Daniel 9 is matched by its New Testament counterpart and it isn’t Matthew 24 or Luke 21 (i.e., the Olivet Discourse), but Revelation 11. If Daniel 9 is the proof test, then Revelation 11 is the final exam.

    DELVING INTO THE CONTESTED WEEK OF DANIEL 9

    The major difference, for example, of certain brethren who espouse deviant doctrines of partial or the full depletion of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (separating the first 69 weeks from the final 70th week) from those evangelicals who adhere to the total futurity of Daniel’s 70th Week, is centered around the isolation of Daniel 9:27 from other portions of Daniel’s text and hence, the obfuscation of the person and work of the DESOLATOR. These diluted brethren claim that this prophetic week is either 1/2 completed or completed in its totality, somewhere between the commencement of Jesus’ ministry at His baptism by the John the Baptist up through to the end of the “Great Tribulation” (Revelation 7:14). I vehemently disagree with them in that their appropriation of the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ is a horrific error and, I affirm, when so radically embraced, as some of them have done, must be viewed as naught but a “doctrine of demons” (I Tim. 4:1 NKJV) – for they have purposefully and/or unwittingly ascribed the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ.

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    Let me explain - they take the antecedent of “he” in Daniel 9:27 to mean Jesus (Messiah of Dan. 9:26), not Antichrist (i.e., “the coming prince” of Daniel 9:26). How they do this is to convolute the Scripture here and say that the phrase “to anoint the Most Holy” in Dan. 9:24 refers to the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist which commenced Jesus' 3.5 years of ministry and that at that time Jesus made a covenant with the Jews/Israel for 7 years, giving them opportunity to recognize His Messiahship (i.e., “offering them the kingdom”), but then He was crucified (in the middle of the “7”). Here, they take the phrases in Dan. 9:27 – “But in the middle of the week HE shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering” to mean Jesus again and that the antecedent here as well (i.e., “HE shall bring an end to sacrifice”) refers to the “once and for all sacrifice” of the Lamb of God (there remains, therefore, no more need for sacrifice).

    They do NOT recognize their “he” in Daniel 9:27 (“Then ‘he’ shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”) as Sir Robert Anderson’s THE COMING PRINCE (in reference to Daniel 9:26 – “And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary”), but instead commit the “abominable act” of transposing the work of Antichrist to the Christ, the Messiah. The Messiah has been CUT OFF (crucified) in Daniel 9:26 – yet, “the prince who is to come” shall commit such dastardly deeds, including the ultimate and deceitful imposition of the treaty with Israel’s majority for ONE WEEK but in the middle of the week HE—the future prince who is to come, the Antichrist—shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate (indeed – Antichrist is now incarnated by Satan himself and not only is the Temple in Jerusalem where the sacrifices have commenced so terminated, but Satan sits “as God in the Temple of God declaring that he is God!”) – Thus begins the REIGN OF THE BEAST and the WRATH OF THE DRAGON (Revelation 12:12).

    They miserably fail to acknowledge that in Daniel 9:26 “Messiah shall be cut off” takes place prior to the one-week treaty - here they say that it is true Messiah would be “cut off” (crucified), however, although His “cutting off” or His crucifixion does occur in Daniel 9:26, they then suggest that Daniel 9:27 simply reiterates in detail what led up to that cutting off and subsequently the breaking of the covenant with the many made by Jesus (so they say) takes place in the midst of Daniel’s Seventieth Week. Yes, this “he” brought an end to sacrifice and offering by offering up Himself as the Lamb of God—thereby terminating the need for animal sacrifices.

    This is a vast convolution of the intent of Scripture.


    DANIEL 9:27 WAS NOT WRITTEN IN ISOLATION

    First of all, the TERMINATION OF THE SACRIFICE must be read in the context of previous and additional portions of Daniel – to wit:

    “And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them (Note: This is not simply an allusion or discussion of Antiochus IV Epiphanes - it has “cosmic extrapolations” and is speaking of Satan himself.). He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICES WERE TAKEN AWAY, AND THE PLACE OF HIS SANCTUARY WAS CAST DOWN (or “the place of the Temple was cast down”). Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the DAILY SACRIFICES; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered. Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, ‘How long will the vision be, concerning THE DAILY SACRIFICES and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?’ (i.e., how long between the commencement of the sacrifices and the extent of the desolations) And he said to me, ‘For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.’ (Daniel 8:9-14). (Note: I have presented these calculations in detail in our article: ISRAEL’S TEMPLE SACRIFICE AND THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION.

    Without this PRIMARY UNDERSTANDING found in Daniel 8 and its clear and distinct subject as Antichrist, empowered by Satan as the TERMINATOR OF THE SACRIFICES - one simply cannot fathom what is going on in Daniel 9:26-27; likewise, the “prophetic trajectory” has, by Higher Criticism truncated these verses to the Maccabean period only (at best); and, those who have transferred the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ have established the terminus ad quem to be either 3.5 years from Christ’s crucifixion; 3.5 years prior to 70 AD; or a remaining 3.5 years at the close of this age.

    Furthermore, one must grasp the prophetic impact of Daniel 11:21-23 and what we call the “adumbrative prophetic language” used here referring or refers not only to Antiochus IV but to that future Antichrist who shall arrive “peacefully” and orchestrate Israel's political and religious peace - AND as Antiochus IV eliminated the legitimate High Priest of Israel at the time of the Maccabeans and made this “office” a political pawn in his hand--he forthwith assumed the title of THE PRINCE OF THE COVENANT (Daniel 11:22) - yet, let's read it for what it says and then you will secure this two-fold understanding of both the immediate and the yet future implications of Antichrist:

    “And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue. With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant (Note: Not only is this ‘flood’ - the same ‘flood’ - spoken of elsewhere in Scripture – Isaiah 28:15, 18) in reference to the escape of the Woman into the wilderness (Rev. 12:15-16) - but ‘swept away’ is the high priestly office known as the PRINCE OF THE COVENANT – and, so will be fulfilled Isaiah’s pronouncement: ‘When the overflowing scourge passes through, it will not come to us, for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood we have hidden ourselves’ (Isa. 28:15) - so that this title is now subsumed by Antiochus IV and the yet future Antichrist, and within its context, both the politicization and the religious overtones MUST be recognized for what their prescient meanings convey—to wit: Antichrist becomes the PRINCE (political) of the COVENANT (religious) - here politics and religion truly meet in their awful Babylonian vision foreseen, as well, among the Gentiles in Rev. 17-18-19.).

    But these passages go on in Dan. 11 ...

    “And after the league is made with him (Note: This is a clear reference to “he shall make a covenant with the many for one week but in the midst of the week . . .”) he shall act deceitfully, for he shall come up and become strong with a small number of people. He shall enter peaceably, even into the richest places of the province; and he shall do what his fathers have not done, nor his forefathers: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds, but only for a time . . .” (Daniel 11:20-45). Antichrist - and his personage as the KING OF TYRE (of overt materialism taking the place of God Himself again—Ezekiel 26, 27, 28) - will BUY FAVOR and INFLUENCE with “the many” - MONEY TALKS!


    Furthermore, and perhaps the most convincing contextual integration and credibility given these passages is that of Jesus Himself, Who speaks of “the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet” (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14)—and that reference clearly alludes to Daniel 11:31:

    “. . . and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices and place there the abomination of desolation” (Daniel 11:31).

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    Now I say this to implore their reticence to adjust their wrong thinking of Daniel 9:27 in isolation—for in so doing they circumvent the prophetic words of Jesus . . . for as the Higher Critics of the Bible attempted to encapsulate Daniel’s record in part and even in whole to be domiciled and fulfilled within the Maccabean period (cir. 165 BC)—having nothing to do with the future and certainly not, as Daniel claims: “And in the latter time of their kingdom (the “Kingdoms of the Gentiles”) . . . Therefore seal up the vision, for it refers to many days in the future” (Daniel 8:23, 27)—even so, today’s subterfuge attempts to limit the Abomination of Desolation to Titus and his legions who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.

    For if indeed the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Jesus refers to the exclusive purview of 70 AD and the happenings surrounding that fateful bloodbath of nigh a million Jews, then what extrapolation of deceit do we witness amongst the Preterists who conjecture that the Son of Man came into His Kingdom at that time and that Daniel’s Abomination of Desolation occurred on that earlier date? There is altogether ample suspicion that 70 AD is not the terminus ad quem of Jesus’ remarks, for the absolute visibility of His appearing did not occur nor can we say that such a GAP was forecasted by Jesus from the time of Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD until the appearance of the Son of Man in glory at the close of this age—any clear-thinking person, reading these Scriptures below, knows full well that in time and in history, these cosmic events have not as yet occurred:

    “For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be . . . immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and THEY WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:27, 29-31).

    It is a grotesque distortion of both grammar and the spiritual intent of Scripture to claim that these aforementioned events in Matthew 24 have transpired in time (using hyperbolic metaphor as justification for these “heavenly realities”)—and to claim their “heavenly character” alone when their earthly application is so overtly presented—it twists the literal grammatical signatures to such extreme that all sense of meaning of the original language of the Greek is thrown to the wind. All the tribes of the earth did not mourn in 70 AD, nor did they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory—to assert in the affirmative is a bald-faced lie!

    The FULLNESS of the Abomination of Desolation was NOT fulfilled in the times of the Maccabeans, nor was it fulfilled in 70 AD – neither by Zeus nor by Jupiter – neither by Antiochus IV Epiphanes nor by Titus of Rome—these were but supreme archetypes, at best, of the final manifestation of the Man of Sin.

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    It behooves me to interject at this time that the original Festival of Lights, Hanukkah, Feast of Dedication or Rededication, was originally instituted by the Maccabeans and this singular feast celebrates—and make no doubt about it—not only the reconsecration of the Temple and its cleansing, but TRIUMPH OVER ANTIOCHUS IV EPIPHANES—the man whose name means GOD IS MANIFEST! There is one feast day that both Jews and Christians should mutually celebrate—the defeat of Antichrist—past, present and future! HAPPY HANUKKAH!

    Now if you continue to follow these passages which “flow in and out” between Antiochus IV Epiphanes and Antichrist yet future, you will pick up on the “essence” of what is going on here - for this one will yet “sit as God in the Temple of God, declaring that he is God” (II Thess 2:4) -

    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished (i.e., the 1,290th day—the end of abominations—Dan. 12:11); for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women (Why? Because He claims to be God and this “he” has no time for anyone but himself - he needs no counterpart nor does he desire women because he holds no relationship other than himself.), nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all (AND THIS TELLS IT ALL—above all gods, God, and women—he will not procreate for he is the DESTROYER) - and it is here he is known as the KING OF TYRE: “But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know; he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for profit (gain)” (Daniel 11:36-39).


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    It is abundantly clear that all these passages interconnect - furthermore, this same unholy intruder who breaks the covenant in the midst of the 70th Week of Daniel—the same one with intrigue, who enters in peaceably and, undoubtedly, with ample resources (money), must be the same one of whom it is said in Daniel 12:11-12:

    “And from the time that the DAILY SACRIFICE IS TAKEN AWAY, and the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS SET UP, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty five days.”

    (Note: This 1,335th day is the final cleansing of the Temple by the Messiah Himself who “all Israel” shall acclaim at that time: Hosanna, Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord - and then shall be fulfilled what Jesus pronounced to the Jews at the Feast of Dedication (Hanukkah - Festival of Lights) in John 10:22-39 - they shall acknowledge the Son of David, as Peter did (Matthew 16:16), that He claimed to be what He said He was and is: I AM THE SON OF GOD - this declaration of Jesus’ deity will once and for all cleanse His temple of all aspects of the DESOLATOR and BLASPHEMER! BLESSED IS HE THAT COMES TO THE 1,335th DAY! (Daniel 12:12))

    Therefore, as you can well imagine, a number of these brethren not only confuse the antecedents within Daniel 9:26-27 but in so doing they have committed a major prophetic heresy and have stumbled into the camp of the DESOLATOR himself.

    I might at this juncture hasten to add that they boldly, along with their pre-tribulational antagonists (both opposed, the one to the other—for the pre-trib. folks affirm the same distortion that these alleged post-trib brethren embrace) - that both with ignorant insistence claim there is NO FULL 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE REVELATION—i.e., they are ignorant of their fool hearty deception to assume as much - and, once again, the one who tempted Jesus on the wing of the temple to blaspheme the Almighty in His limitation (i.e., humanity) by bowing down to Lucifer, the Devil, even Satan, with the promise in so doing “all the kingdoms of the world . . . all will be Yours” (Luke 4:5-8) . . . for such worship (the absurdity of which belies the self-absorption of this impostor), now has these prophetically myopic souls bowing down in the same spirit of Antichrist by the transference of the work of the Abomination of Desolation to the Person and Work of Messiah.

    Yet, in the immediate past I have confirmed this vacuous understanding of the absence of Daniel’s 70th Week is not limited to the interruptus of these early fulfillments; unfortunately, a graduate from Dallas Theological Seminary who, in his bland ignorance, sided with these HALF-TIMERS by so blithely declaring: THERE IS NO FULL 70TH WEEK MENTIONED IN THE ENTIRE BOOK OF REVELATION—only the latter half of the Week; however, by “implication” the 70th Week is there! The circumstantial evidentiary claim that no actual full-70th Week is found in the Revelation is an immense eschatological blunder on the part of this well-meaning pre-trib brother from Dallas Seminary.

    And, indeed the misguided pre-tribulational rapture folks - just as their antagonists amongst those who attribute the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ - wholly discard the truth of the entire 70th Week of Daniel as seen in the Revelation both in “essence" as well as in abject fact:


    THE FULL 70th WEEK IN THE REVELATION

    “In the orthodox (pre-millennial) writers, there is clear agreement. Irenaeus and Hippolytus taught that the 70th week would be the last seven years of this age in which the two witnesses would prophesy for the first 42 months, the "abomination of desolation" being in the middle, and the Beast would persecute the Church for the last 42 months, then Christ would return (a clear "seven year" tribulation with a post-trib rapture). Other early writers, including Barnabas, Justin, Hermas, Cyprian, Lactantius, and Victorinus, did not refer to Daniel 9:27, and so no specific mention is made of the tribulation being "seven years." But it is clear that they were expecting a future tribulation at the end of the age, and a literal Antichrist who would persecute the Church. These writers saw the Antichrist's reign as 3.5 years. And the ministry of the two witnesses as also 3.5 years. This implies a seven year tribulation. (Tim Warner - “Dallas Doctors’ Departure Distortions” - The Last Trumpet – 2001)

    So, where in the Revelation is the entirety of Daniel’s Seventieth Week so mentioned?

    “‘Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there’ (And here let me disabuse anyone who does not affirm that the measuring of God’s people “who worship there” is clearly involved here—because He has taken full ownership of them.) . . . ‘But leave out the court which is outside the temple (Note: This is the COURT OF THE GENTILES, the uncircumcised who fail to take that final commitment to sacrifice at the altar, to worship at the altar—by the cutting off of the flesh.), for it has been given to the Gentiles’ (Indeed - these COMPROMISERS are there but they will come back to persecute those at the altar) – ‘and THEY (these same Gentiles) will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months’ (Note: This is that same HOLY CITY, not simply of Jerusalem on the earth, but that heavenly city of those who are referred to in Rev. 13:6 ‘who tabernacle in heaven’ - i.e., though they be on earth, their “home” or “tabernacle” is in heaven - and against these the Beast commences his blasphemy: ‘against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who tabernacle in heaven."' (Portions from Rev. 11:1-2)

    But when does he so blaspheme those who tabernacle? Let’s read on in Revelation 11, and we shall discover the commencement of his blasphemy (which again, is to declare his own deity) . . .

    At issue is the obvious - when does the treading of the Holy City, the blasphemy against those who tabernacle in the heavens, commence? Its duration is 42 months wherein in Revelation 11:7 these same Gentiles are aligned with the Beast “that ascends out of the bottomless pit.” Indeed, this Beast “will make war against them” - i.e., the Two Witnesses – “overcome them, and kill them. And their dead body (for in the original Greek it is CORPSE, singular—for He has made of the two, One New Man, so making peace—Ephesians 2:15) will lie in the street of the GREAT CITY which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified . . . then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead body three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead body to be put into the grave . . . now after three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them” (Revelation 11:7-9, 11).

    So, what is this period of time known as “three-and-a-half-days?” - I affirm that this is the 3 1/2 days of the final week of Daniel’s prophecy - it is the SAME 42 months wherein the Holy City shall be trampled underfoot in Rev. 11:2.

    Now, however, PRIOR to this trampling underfoot for 42 months or 3 1/2 days - there is the triumphant TESTIMONY OF JESUS (Rev. 1:2, 9; 12:17; 19:10) which is committed to the Two Witnesses (Rev. 11:7). Now, the ENTRY of the Beast upon the world scene—is at the final half of the 70th Week of Daniel—both pre-trib, and these post-trib brethren, so concur at this point; however, what neither of them see is the full FIRST HALF OF THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL as depicted in the prevailing testimony of the Two Witnesses for 1,260 days (Revelation 11:3):

    “And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth - these are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth” (Note: In the next verses, Rev. 11:5-6, we observe their witness and prophecy is so prevailing that NOTHING can harm them—ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!) –

    May I query: Are these Two Witnesses wholly oblivious as bad Samaritans (violating the so-called “Good Samaritan Law” - i.e., seeing someone in danger or bleeding along the side of the rode and YOU DO NOTHING TO HELP THEM)? - That is precisely what these pre-trib and post-trib brethren propose!

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    Here you have this utterly prevailing witness of the Two Witnesses - allegedly taking place during the very Reign of the Beast and the Trampling down of the Holy City (concentrated, no doubt in Jerusalem proper in their finite minds) during this 42 months of WAR (as also seen in Rev. 12:6 as 1,260 days; Rev. 12:14 as time, times and half a time - also in Dan. 7:25; 12:7) - for these brethren, with blinders upon their spiritual eyes, superimpose these same 1,260 days to be the same 42 months of Rev. 11:2 and the same 1,260 days of Rev. 12:6; and the same time, times and half a time as Rev. 12:14; Dan 7:25; Dan 12:7)—in sum: the first half of Daniel’s 70th Week is the last half of Daniel’s 70th Week in their convoluted thinking.

    PREPOSTEROUS!

    To think that these Two Witnesses would sit idly by while their brethren are enduring unmitigated suffering - WHILE THESE TWO GET OFF SCOT FREE - is absolutely and utterly absurd and, furthermore, grossly distorts their credibility. Moreover, to think that the Beast makes WAR against two individuals who’ve been breaking this Good Samaritan law during the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week is the height of prophetic folly, to say the least! This word WAR in the Greek constitutes a major world-wide conflagration—hardly seen on U-tube by the heathen who shall view their dead body in the street of the GREAT CITY (Babylon the Great) for 3.5 years of open persecution?

    IT IS AFTER - IN FULL SEQUENCE - that the Beast who ascends out of the Bottomless Pit - and this is not simply saying that this is the Beast who comes out of the Abyss at the mid-point of the 70th Week and TOLERATES these Two witnesses somehow throughout the entire 1,260 days/42 months/time, times and half a time or the final 3.5 days of the 70th Week of Daniel and that somehow after these Two Witnesses have testified for their 1,260 days (having allegedly witnessed the suffering of the “tribulation saints” and apparently doing nothing to alleviate their suffering) - that AFTER the 70th Week—for it would have so concluded - then this BEAST who originally (as they say) ascended out of the bottomless pit, will now make war against them, overcome them, and kill them at the conclusion of the 70th Week and then allow their body not to be buried for 3.5 days into the 1,260 to 1,290 days of the Wrath of the Lamb or, in their convoluted thinking, kill them on the 1,256.5th day so that their final resurrection would occur on the 1,260th day! NONSENSE and utter folly upon these loosey-goosey mathematicians, so-called! These “give and take” eschatologists will stoop to any miscellaneous configuration to fit their absurd schemes! Math is NOT an absolute science in their craniums – and most assuredly, neither is “biblical math.”

    No - these Two Witnesses have fully testified for the full 1,260 days. This testimony is the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel - THEN THEY ARE OPENLY PERSECUTED FOR 42 MONTHS - which is the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week - their initial 1,260 days of testimony is finished –

    “WHEN THEY FINISH THEIR TESTIMONY (1,260 days of it, I hasten to add) THE BEAST THAT ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WILL MAKE WAR AGAINST THEM, OVERCOME THEM, AND KILL THEM” (Rev. 11:7).

    Oh, that God’s people would embrace the CROSS OF CHRIST, put on the helmet of salvation, take the sword of the Spirit and endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ – for if we cannot bear his cross, we cannot bear His crown. That He would embolden our minds and hearts to “love not our lives unto the death!” This IS the TESTIMONY OF JESUS!

    CORRIE TEN BOOM – PREPARE FOR TRIBULATION


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    Radiant testimony shall give way to the embrace of the cross—that the life and death of Jesus Christ be lived out in the “tribulation saints.” Now, listen to sister Corrie, whose prophetic witness under fire brings forth the challenge to the Church in these latter days:

    “Betsy (Corrie’s sister) and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick.

    “‘Yes, the Lord will heal me,’ Betsy said with confidence.


    “She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.

    “It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy’s death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.

    There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

    “In China, the Christians were told, ‘Don’t worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – raptured.’ Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,

    “'We have failed.


    “‘We should have made the people strong for persecution, rather than telling them Jesus would come first. Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution, how to stand when the tribulation comes, – to stand and not faint.’

    “I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it.


    “We are next.” (Corrie’s complete letter is found, along with Ruth Graham’s validation, at http://endtimepilgrim.org/corrie.htm.)

    The DESOLATOR, the BEAST puts an end to sacrifices - and that awful 1,290 days of ABOMINATIONS CONCLUDES with the final 30 days thereof to be considered THE WRATH OF GOD - THE WRATH OF THE LAMB.

    Yes, they, the Two Witnesses, are RESURRECTED at the commencement of the SOUNDING (the 30-day sounding) of the Last Trump wherein the Dead in Christ are raised; for the Two Witnesses are that SINGULAR RESURRECTION OF THE JUST: “Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘Come up here.’ And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them” (Rev. 11:11-12).

    No, there is no secret rapture, no multiple resurrections - and this, I am sure, is where my post-trib brethren are in accord - but, likewise, these Two Witnesses have fully testified for the first 3.5 years without harm and most assuredly are NOT disengaged with the saints of the Most High who shall endure, as the Holy City, the 42 months of being trampled asunder - for these Two Witnesses are in point of fact the HOLY CITY THEMSELVES, now prepared, under fire, to persist in leading many to righteousness, even in perilous times.

    They are the “saints of the Most High” - these are they who “keep the commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus” (Rev. 12:17 – “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.” (Note: And this is for time, times and half a time - Rev. 12:14 or 1,260 days - Rev. 12:6)).

    Yes, there are those preserved of Israel (Revelation 12:6), and there are those of the Church who are “alive and survive” (I Thess. 4:17); but the EMPHASIS is upon the SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST wrought out in His people - for they bear THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS - while the wrath of the Beast overwhelms (Rev. 12:12 - . . . “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having GREAT WRATH, because he knows that he has a short time”) and rages against the saints, for “It was granted to him to make war (the same war as seen in Rev. 11:7 against the Two Witnesses) with the saints and to overcome them.”)

    Again, those brethren who refuse to do their math - who obfuscate the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel - and those pre-trib brethren who for their own foolish reasoning, boldly, and most shallowly, assert there is NO MENTIONING OF THE FULL 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL IN THE REVELATION - (and who, I might add, lend credibility to their “half-hearted” antagonists amongst their alleged post-tribulationalists and as boldly, and as ignorantly as they, claim there is naught but the latter half of the 70th Week which awaits complete fulfillment).

    AMILLENARIAN ESCHATOLOGY IS ALIVE AND WELL – ELIMINATING THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL

    Before we descend into the intricacies of how the 70th Week of Daniel yet future is abused and eliminated, it would do us well to understand who’s behind this obfuscation—just who is the source of this skulduggery of eschatological nonsense?

    Several outstanding and concise histories on the evolution and popularity and ultimate demise and then revival of Amillennialism (and its step-child, Postmillennialism) eschatology and its counter distinction, Premillenialism, are forthwith given:

    “Several forces worked to undermine this premillennialism of the early church. One of these was the association of this teaching with a radical ascetic Christian group, the Montanist, who shortly after the middle of the second century placed a great stress on a new age of the Spirit which they believed was coming among their numbers in Asia Minor. They gathered together in a village in Phrygia, which they named the New Jerusalem, thus proclaiming the establishment of the millennium. There they waited for the Lord's return. By time of the death of the last of the leaders of Montanism, Christ's return had not yet occurred.” (Eschatology, the Doctrine of Last Things, the Millennium – www.fromdeathtolife.org and throughout)

    The undermining of a literal 1,000-year rule and reign of Christ on the earth, yet future, was clearly held by the early church fathers – but aberrant teachings like those of Montanus grew in popularity – the desire for the Church to manifest its authority on earth was incessant. How we interpret the Bible (hermeneutics) had to undergo a violent change; hence:

    “Another influence that encouraged a change in eschatological views was the emphasis of Origen (A.D. c.185-c.254) upon the manifestation of the kingdom within the soul of the believer rather than in the world. This resulted in a shift of attention away from the historical toward the spiritual and metaphysical. He was perhaps the first to allegorize the passages on which the teaching of the millennium was based. His principle of allegorizing Scripture opened the door for a spiritual millennium and the school of amillennialism.

    “A final factor that led to a new millennial interpretation was the conversion of the Emperor Constantine the Great (A.D. c.274/280-337) in A.D. 313 and the adoption of Christianity as the Imperial religion.

    “It was Augustine (A.D. 354-430), Bishop of Hippo, who articulated the amillennial view which came to dominate Western Christianity during Middle Ages. The millennium, according to his interpretation, referred to the Church in which Christ reigned with His saints. The statements in the Book of Revelation were interpreted allegorically by Augustine. No victory was imminent in the struggle with evil in the world. On the really spiritual level, the battle had been already been won and God had triumphed through the cross. Satan had been reduced to lordship over the City of the World, which coexisted with the City of God. Eventually even the small domain of the devil would be taken away from him by a triumphant God.

    “Augustine early claimed to be a Premillenarian, but he changed to become an Amillenarian. He did not object to Premillenarianism, but he spiritualized the millennium, finding its fulfillment in the church. The millennial reign of the saints was heavenly between the first and second coming of Christ, which period would end in or around A.D. 1000. The first resurrection was the new birth. He wrote in his City of God:

    “The church now on earth is both the kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of heaven..., the saints being with Him now. Thrones (Rev. 20) may not be understood of the last judgment, but by the thrones are meant the ruler's places in the church, and the persons themselves by whom it is governed.... The church which is now is the kingdom of God. Thus then, the church reigns with Christ.... Christ's kingdom is the church.”

    (Augustine, The City of God, as quoted in
    Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2, p. 256)

    “Augustine's allegorical interpretation became the official doctrine of the church during the medieval period. It was more or less modified when Christ failed to return at Augustine's predicted time at A.D. 1000. With the cessation of persecutions, the conviction that the Gospel could probably win the world found a place in the church. The millenarians of this period were of the postmillennial type. Hildegard and Joachim of Floris (A.D. 1130-1202) were perhaps the best known. Joachim innovated what is sometimes called a Trinitarian Millennialism. The Old Testament was the age of the Father; the New Testament was the age of the Son; and the age of the Holy Spirit will be the millennium after which Christ will return. However, in defiance to the official teaching of the church, the earlier apocalyptic premillennialism continued to be held by certain groups. These expressions of premillennialism continued during the reformation period, and was most notably expressed in the rebellion of the city of Munster in A.D. 1534. Jan Matthys gained control of the community, proclaiming himself that he was Enoch preparing the way for the second coming of Christ by establishing a new code of laws which featured a community of property and other radical reforms. He declared Munster to be the New Jerusalem and called all faithful Christians to gather in the city. Many Anabaptists answered his call and most of the original inhabitants of the town were forced to flee or to live in a veritable reign of terror. The situation was so threatening to other areas of Europe that a combined force of Catholics and Protestants laid siege to the place and after a difficult struggle captured the town, suppressing this wave of millennial enthusiasm.”

    The Munster event undoubtedly led the early Protestant Reformers to unwittingly embrace Augustinian amillennialism—not because of its “Jewish character” but more so because of its social and political ramifications appeared too hostile to Europe’s nobility, let alone the Catholic Church.

    “Each of the three main branches of Protestantism of the sixteenth century - Lutheran, Calvinism, and Anglican - had the support of the state and so continued the same Constantinian approach to eschatology. Both Luther and Calvin were very suspicious of millennial speculation. Martin Luther (A.D. 1483-1546) believed that the Book of Revelation was defective in everything which could be called apostolic and prophetic, and was offended by the visions and symbols of the book. He came to believe that the prophecy in the Book of Revelation was an outline of the whole course of church history and that the Papacy was predicted in both chapters 11 and 12, and in the second beast of chapter 13. The number 666 represented the period of papal domination. This "historic" type of interpretation with its application of the Antichrist to papal Rome so dominated Protestant study of prophecy for the next three centuries, that it is frequently called "the Protestant" interpretation. Luther branded the doctrine of a millennium as heresy. The idea of a millennium was rejected as a Jewish opinion by the Augsburg Confession and by the Helvetic Confession. The Augsburg Confession read:

    “They condemn others also, who now scatter abroad Jewish opinions, that, before the resurrection of the dead the godly shall occupy the kingdoms of the world, the wicked being everywhere oppressed.”
    (Schaff, Creeds of Christendom, Article XVII).

    “The Helvetic Confession reads:

    “We reject all who deny the real resurrection.... We also reject the Jewish dream of a millennium, or golden age on earth, before the last judgment.”
    (ibid., Article XI).

    The reader can immediately grasp that by these confessions the effrontery of a “Jewish dream of a millennium” had insinuated itself into the minds of the reformers. Now, these reformers not only rejected the full “manifestation of the kingdom” via immediate or rabid social revolutionary reform (e.g., the Munster model), but had become all the more rigid in their embrace of Catholic eschatology and the “Augustinian model” whereby the State and the Church were able to jointly “process” both the earthly and heavenly aspects of the Kingdom of God—enabling the Church to provide “moral covering” for the State—e.g., the “Just War” whereby the State may exercise temporal authority in matters of the defeat of evil with the Church maintaining her celestial presence, while still being here on earth—notwithstanding, the full manifestation of the Kingdom would abide yet future, although the “Messianic Age” or the “Gospel Age” was here and present among us. Thus, with the Church living in the “Messianic Age” present—there would be no need for a future Millennial Reign on earth, and ipso facto, a complete disconnect of all Jewish prophetic potential.

    AMILLENARIAN EMBELLISHMENTS OF ALAN MORRISON

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    In his “State of the World Address – Parts 1 and 2” Alan Morrison elaborates on how Amillenarian eschatology can be embellished upon its original dismissal of a literal millennium and, I hasten to add, why this doctrine predisposed Europe to such vehemence in their quest to abolish the “Jewish dream of a millennium” – I persistently propose that the Holocaust would not have been possible in Europe if this insidious eschatology had not been so wide-spread and entrenched in Protestant and Catholic churches. With the Jew utterly and prophetically disenfranchised, there was no more need for them—hence, their “chosenness” was an affront to the Church.

    Let me preface Morrison’s remarks and commentary thereon by noting his direct promotion and association with an otherwise fine organization, SCP (Spiritual Counterfeits Project of Berkeley, CA). Tal Brooke has apparently, according to Jacob Prasch, either purposefully and/or directly embraced Morrison’s Amillenarian eschatology and its apparent and underlying adjunct, anti-Semitism. This unimaginable doctrinal distortion needs further clarification on the part of Tal Brooke, especially his support for one, Ted Pike, I am sure—notwithstanding; on the surface it is deeply disturbing . . . for it connotes the insidious persistence of this tortuous eschatology which has befooled, beclouded and befuddled the Church since Origen. Has Tal Brooke succumbed to the dark side of Amillenarian eschatology and its rejection of the Jew? What nefarious pursuit abides the legendary cult-fighter, Tal Brooke?

    Allow me to quote the prickly review of Jacob Prasch of this odd association of Morrison and Brooke and their peculiar compatibilities (My emphasis):

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    “Both Mr. Morrison and Mr. Brooke are too intelligent to demean themselves with the kind of conspiratorial absurdity and anti-Zionism they focus on and in the process they undermine the valuable ministry they both otherwise could and should have in reaching New Agers for Christ in a post Christian/Neo Pagan world. Mr. Morrison overlooks that the biblical scenario for the Eschaton viewed in Daniel and Revelation, places the prophetic significance of Israel as well as that of The Church at the center of world events. There is simply no place for replacement theology in The Word of God generally, and certainly none regarding eschatology specifically. Those propagating unbiblical positions to the contrary are postulating untenable inventions of their own minds. In order to arrive at his misplaced doctrinal theology, Allan Morrison, identical to the Roman Catholic mystics, hyper Charismatics, and New Age theosophers, must engage in the convoluted hermeneutics of eisegetical Gnosticism by spiritualizing what the Scripture plainly teaches about Israel and The Millennial reign of Christ instead of deriving his beliefs from sound exegesis.

    “Mr. Morrison substitutes an exegetical approach to eschatology with a conspiracy theory based approach where the biblical texts plainly establishing the place of Israel eschatologically are treated in a neo-Gnostic manner based on spiritualization.” (Jacob Prasch, “A Response to Allan Morrison” – Moriel Ministries)

    It is the propagation of Morrison’s ideas by Brooke which disturbs; along with what appears to be a conspiratorial video with anti-Semitic overtones (by one Ted Pike), also, according to Jacob Prasch, promoted by Tal Brooke . . .

    “In the meanwhile, MORIEL is preparing a response to the Ted Pike video alleging Jewish conspiracies and attempting to turn this crusade into an Evangelical Christian cause. Disturbingly, the video is distributed by an organization whose web site is linked to pro Nazi sites carrying Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ on their book lists and claims to be an ‘Evangelical Christian Ministry’. More disturbing still is that the Ted Pike video was circulated by Allan Morrison’s partner, Tal Brooke. Indeed , if I were to follow the trail of links in the manner conspiracy theorists operate and draw conclusions from it, I would have to determine that Tal and by cooperation Allan Morrison are members of a Neo Nazi conspiracy within the Evangelical church. This is of course not my view. But if I subscribed to the kind of conspiracy theory mind set they do, it would be the natural conclusion.

    Constance Cumbey is not so subtle in her denunciation of Ted Pike’s anti-Semitism:

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    “His (Texe Marrs) new catalog IS ‘New Age,’ -- in the very skimpiest of disguises -- and in the very ugliest sense of the word. It carries as allegedly reputable works books by unashamed anti-Semites such as Des Griffin and Ted Pike. (My Perspective – What Constance Thinks)

    And, what of this video that Tal Brooke’s promotes:

    “It’s all here...Ted Pike’s monumental new video documents the whole story of conspiracy by Israel’s false leaders in the Mid-East. From Israeli terrorists to Christian televangelists, this is the incredible account of how Zionist abuses and atrocities, plus evangelical Christian support, have worked together over the past century to incite international Arab terrorism.” (www.truthtellers.com – Zionism and Christianity: UNHOLY ALLIANCE – National Prayer Network)

    In point of fact, Theodore Winston Pike’s prolific exposé of Israeli and Christian conspiracies in the suppression of Israel’s Palestinians is overt: Israel: Our Duty . . . our Dilemma; Hate Laws . . . Making Criminals of Christians; Why the Mid-East Bleeds; Zionism and Christianity: Unholy Alliance. In my reading and research, it is obvious that Ted Pike has used “hate crime legislation” to augment his agenda to implicate the Jews, especially the Israelis, and to clobber Evangelical Zionists in their “unbiblical conspiracy” in support of the rebirth of Israel as a sign of prophetic fulfillment and the coming Messianic Age. Again, I find Tal Brooke’s involvement in the promotion of both the works of Allan Morrison and Ted Pike’s video, exceedingly disconcerting and would dearly love to disassociate Tal from these individuals—but, to this date nothing to the contrary attests otherwise.

    The “National Prayer Network” extols the works of Ted Pike and exclaims:

    “In this unprecedented exposé, author and filmmaker Ted Pike rips the cover off this little-known conspiracy against freedom by the evil Jewish leadership of B'Nai B'Rith and its ‘Anti-Defamation League.’ Now is the time to protest to your elected representatives in Congress - before it is too late.” (Note: The Rev. Ted Pike is the National Director of the National Prayer Network.)

    Now, with this Amillenarian-Anti-Semitic backdrop so revealed—and I hasten to add that exploring these links among Ted Pike, Alan Morrison and Tal Brooke are altogether disquieting for this author—we now briefly examine the “Morrisonian form of Amillenarianism.” Again, taken from his “State of the World Addresses.”

    “This whole “Rapture” thing is put in its context in Rev.11. We saw in Part 1 of this article that the gospel-witnessing church has been given a great measure of protection while Satan has been bound throughout the gospel age. We saw that the symbolic time span of that age . . . .”

    Morrison sees no future for physical Israel - the Church, in his estimation would fulfill all the promises of the Bible—both Old and New Testaments. Notwithstanding Morrison’s ridiculous notion that somehow Satan has been bound for 1,000 years (currently on-going) is classic Amillenarian eschatology. However, presently, Satan has NOT been bound a figurative 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10) - he is, however, a ‘defeated foe’ - but he continues unabated to walk around: THE DEVIL WALKS ABOUT AS A ROARING LION, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR. RESIST HIM, STEFAST IN THE FAITH” (I Peter 5:8) - this is hardly the Millennium. In Morrison’s thinking, as in all Amillenarians, there is no literal 1,000-year Millennium.

    The SYMBOLIC TIMESPAN, to which Morrison alludes, is clarified by his statement:

    “. . . and witness was said to be “1260 days” (Rev.12:6). It so happens that the church is again said to witness for that symbolic 1260 days in Rev.11:3.”

    In this brother's eyes he sees the TWO WITNESSES as the Church in sum and substance - he fails to go on to vs. 11:4 of Rev. in which it clearly states: "THESE ARE THE TWO OLIVE TREES AND THE TWO LAMPSTANDS STANDING BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH" - he would surely assume that these ‘symbols’ simply connote that the Olive Tree represents the Oil of the Holy Spirit and the Lampstand represents the Church - I do not affirm this because of the superabundance of passages in the Revelation, let alone the superabundance of passages which provide Israel a generous role in the coming Millennium. Morrison sees the 1,260 days as purely SYMBOLIC—just as he sees the 1,000 years of Satan’s binding during the current “age of the gospel” symbolic.

    The atrocious supposition on the part of Amillenarians to interpret Revelation 20:1-3 as a “figurative or spiritual millennium” – while claiming that Satan’s “binding” during their current “messianic age” (in which we are now allegedly living in on this planet where evil abounds in all sizes) denies the present reality of man’s inhumanity to man and of the Prince of Darkness who in the ethereal “Age of the Gospel” beclouds the blatant biblical fact wherein “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (II Corinthians 4:4) How can we be living in the Messianic Age in which the King of kings shares rule with “the god of this age?”

    May I remind those who follow the convoluted symbolism of Origen that immediately following the return of Christ in glory (i.e., the Second Coming of Christ) as found in Revelation 19:11-16 and of the subsequent defeat of the armies of the Beast and the Second Beast (the False Prophet) in Revelation 19:19-21 by our Lord Jesus, that THEN and IMMEDIAELY in Revelation 20:1-3 Satan is bound for a thousand years and those that the Beast beheaded “lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4) Any rational mind can follow this sequence—unless the irrationality of those who detest the thought that a literal 1,000 year rule and reign of Christ on this earth, from Jerusalem, is just too preposterous, too earthly, too carnal for our heavenly-minded brethren who cringe at the thought that the Jews could find themselves prophetically viable!

    Amillenarians’ conjecture that since the resurrected Christ “Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it” (Col.2:15) somehow goes beyond His immediate resurrection and binds Satan through the power of His cross. If so, I suggest that the chain is incredibly long. Amillenarians claim that Revelation 20 is a flashback to the cross and demonstrates the complete work of Christ; henceforth, we are living in the Messianic Age or Age of the Gospel. Nonsense! The binding and restraint of Satan that takes place as a result of the cross is applicable today only to those who believe in Jesus Christ! “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” . . . does not take place until after the resurrection of the Two Witnesses; after the reign of the Beast; and, after the 3.5 days of the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week (Revelation 11:11-15).

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    Shenandoah - Posted Jan 22nd

    SEVENTY SEVENS

    Why does the Bible so clearly demarcate that the 70 Weeks are “seventy sevens” (i.e., “Septets” or “Seventy times seven”) – and clearly refers to them as years – each “week” equal to seven years or 360 days for each year? The Biblical precedent for these “weeks” equal to years is found in Leviticus 25:8:

    “And you shall count seven Sabbaths of years for yourself; seven times seven years; and the time of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years.”

    Therefore, when it is read, it clearly refers to these Seventy Weeks as years:

    “Seventy weeks (lit. “seventy sevens”) are determined for your people . . . there shall be seven weeks (or 49 years) and sixty-two weeks (or 434 years) . . . and after the sixty-two weeks . . . then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (i.e., the 70th Week)” (or 7 years) (Daniel 9:24, 25, 27) (for a total of 490 years: 49 + 434 + 7 = 490 years)

    The 70th Week is still 7 years or 1 week. Likewise, it is comprised of 1,260 days (the first half) and 1,260 days (the second half) for a total of 2,520 days or seven total years. The other expressions likewise remain LITERAL – JUST AS THE FIRST 69 WEEKS WERE LITERAL and the outstanding work done by Sir Robert Anderson, Drs. Ice and Hoehner (See Israel’s Temple Sacrifice and the Abomination of Desolation for the precise chronologies between “the decree to rebuilt Jerusalem until the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem” which occurred four days prior to the Gregorian date of 33 AD day of Passover and the crucifixion or “cutting off of Messiah” – Daniel 9:26)

    Morrison continues . . .

    “This refers to the whole of the church’s witness throughout the age. That’s how we know that Rev.12:6 and 11:3 are parallel. They both refer to the Gospel Age of witness while Satan is under restraint. (My emphasis.) As we saw in Part 1 of this article, we also have the idea of the church being under protection from the hideous power of Satan in Rev. 12:14. There, the term used is ‘time, times and half a time,’ (which is another way of saying 1260 days or three and a half years’ time = one year, times = 2 years, and half a time = half a year).”

    Morrison states these time frames in years but demands they be wholly SYMBOLIC in terms of “eras.” In this case the spurious period of the “gospel age” allegedly has his Satan “under restraint.” It is unimaginable to consider Satan so restrained given the past 2,000 history of wars, death, famine, disease, rank materialism, human exploitation, crimes against humanity and gross carnage since the resurrection of Jesus. His use of the phrase, “the whole of the Church” ipso facto displaces any role for a prophetic Israel—none! There is no literal seven-year time frame yet future; no literal millennium; and no prophetic Israel—none!

    Revelation 12:14 is a reference to the WOMAN who is ‘preserved’ unto the coming of the Lord – God’s sovereignty sustains a portion of the Woman (“they that are alive and survive”) - some are “beheaded for the testimony” - others survive – and, most certainly, there is that Jewish element which shall survive until they cry out: HOSANNA, BLESSED IS HE THAT COMETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD - this is without refutation! “You will not see my face until YOU SAY, ‘Blessed is He that cometh in the Name of the Lord’” (Matt. 23:39).

    Morrison persists:

    “The reason that John uses that image is because it draws on its symbolic use in Daniel 7:25 and 12:7 to describe the persecution of the saints. John frequently takes powerful Old Testament symbols and then transforms them for his own Scripture-writing purposes (e.g. golden lampstands, two-edged sword, thrones, living creatures, beasts, etc.). Occasionally, they mean the same as when they were used in the Old Testament; but mostly he changes aspects of them to fit the context.”

    It is convenient for Morrison, at this point, to say: “Occasionally, they mean the same as when they were used in the Old Testament, but mostly he changes aspects of them to fit the context” - therefore, he can say that the Olive Tree in Revelation 11:4 refers to the Oil of the Spirit and not to Israel.

    “The overall picture in the Book of Revelation is that as the saints witness to the world they are persecuted throughout the entire Gospel Age (the symbolic 1260 days/3 ½ years/time, times & half a time), but that they are also protected from the full blast of satanic destruction during that time, until a brief period of intense persecution at the end of history (the Great Tribulation), when those believers who are alive at the time will be wiped out (Rev.11:7; 13:7; Dan.12:7).”

    What Morrison proposes—although he is hard pressed to say that the final 1,260 days is this “brief period of intense persecution at the end of history”—is the past nigh 2,000 years is symbolically designed as the 1,260 days or 3 1/2 years or time, times and half a time, or for that matter, 42 months as in Revelation 11:2; and, that the final half of Daniel’s 70th Week will be that “brief period of intense persecution at the end of history” (i.e., the final 1,260 days) – but then, this would be equal to one week (i.e., 1,260 days of the “gospel age” + 1,260 days of the “brief period of intense persecution at the end of history”)—therefore, Morrison cannot quiet bring himself to this mathematical conclusion because it borders on giving credibility to the 70th week and a distant detection of literal interpretation being used in reverse—i.e., justifying symbolic expression.

    He is utterly Amillenarian - he has confused the time of Jacob's Trouble - i.e., the persecution of Israel during the 70th Week of Daniel (Dan. 12:7) of “time, times and half a time” - which clearly speaks to Israel’s time of persecution (but as well, since there are TWO on either side of the river - to the Church’s trepidations). One of the two inquires of the Man dressed in linen, insofar as HOW LONG will the following persecution persist—which persecution directly refers to the last days of Daniel’s people, the Jews: “At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people (THE JEWS); and there shall be a time of trouble (3.5 years of it to be exact—Daniel 12:7), such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time YOUR PEOPLE (THE JEWS) shall be delivered, every one who is found written in the book” (Daniel 12:1).

    DELIVERANCE FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND FOR YOUR HOLY CITY-Dan. 9:24

    “Deliverance” is the dominant theme of the Hebrews. Deliverance demands the divine and miraculous intervention into the affairs of man—it demands Messiah:

    “And so all Israel will be saved (or “delivered”), as it is written:

    “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins” (Isa. 59:20; Romans 11:26-27).

    This is the “covenant” that our Lord makes and does not break! And, this “Israel” speaks not of the Gentiles who have been “grafted in” but of Israel of the flesh, for Paul declares:

    “For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (Romans 11:25).

    Far too long well-meaning but deceived brethren have been “wise in (their) own opinion” or “estimation” – they fail to realize that “blindness in part” does not mean “blindness in whole!”

    “Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” (Romans 11:28-29).

    It is that irrevocability, that covenant made to Israel that irks the likes of Alan Morrison and those brethren hereunder mentioned who would persuade us that bits, parts and pieces – yea, the whole – of Daniel’s Seventieth Week have already concluded. Yet, what Paul quoted in Romans 11:26-27 from Isaiah 59:20 – until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; until “the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets” (Revelation 10:7) – can be none other than the full “Seventy Weeks determined for your people and for your holy city, to . . .

    “. . . finish transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy” (i.e.,--“To seal The Most Holy Place, the Holy of Holies”) (Daniel 9:24; cf. Daniel 12:11-12).

    FOR . . .

    “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins” (Isa. 59:20; Romans 11:26-27).

    “I will bring the one-third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘This is My people’; and each one will say, ‘The LORD is my God’” (Zechariah 13:9).

    MORRISON’S “GOSPEL AGE” IS NOT THE MILLENIUM

    The Amillenarian Morrison has made the 1,260 days equate to the “gospel age” (he dare not say the “church age” because it would lend credibility to Dispensationalists!) - for to the Amillenarian there has always been but one Church—“the believing community” - there NEVER can be TWO WITNESSES testifying from whatever perspective (e.g., Israel to the earth—to the Nations; and the Church to the heavens or to the Principalities and Powers in the heavens) at any given time in history—especially during the conclusion of the 70th Week or, in the Amillenarian thinking, the final 3.5 years of human history prior to the Second Coming of Christ - and just prior to Satan being loosed after the 1,260 days or the 1,000 years of the “gospel age” - give or take scores of conflicts and two world wars—Satan has been “relatively restrained” - just ask a Viet Nam vet how much Satan has been restrained!

    “One has to remember that just as things like persecution, earthly upheavals, false christs and prophets, deception and the many other characteristics of the “last days” described by the Lord Jesus and Paul are present to a greater or lesser degree throughout the age but intensify at the time of the end” so the presence of the “Beast” government and religion have been with us throughout the age in one form or another but will intensify at the end of the age with the appearance of the Antichrist. The two beasts of Revelation 13 do not refer exclusively to the actual Antichrist (unlike the Man of Sin in 2 Thess.2, which does). They refer to the “Beast” government generally too. This is why the first beast was said to have been ‘given authority to continue for forty-two months’ (i.e. that three and a half years or 1260 days again, Rev.13:5).

    Yes, strangely enough, the Amillenarian, like Morrison, believes in a final Antichrist - but their eschatology is woefully inadequate and when they get into the 3.5 years, time, times and half a time, 1,260 days, and 42 months, 3.5 days - in sum – they’re all over the map! The Beast Nation, the Beast, the Antichrist, the False Prophet are, in sum, all mixed up throughout the entire “Gospel Age” and, specifically, at its conclusion.

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    The Amillenarian does not “see” the Antichrist half way through the 70th Week becoming the Beast (AT THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION) for “after their testimony is finished” (i.e., after the 1,260 days of the “Gospel Age”) - the BEAST ascends out of the Bottomless Pit and makes war on the Two Witnesses, etc. (i.e., the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week—Morrison’s “brief period of intense persecution at the end of history”) - to them there cannot be an Antichrist and a Beast operating simultaneously and they are right for the wrong reasons. They say the Beast Nation persecutes the Church and the “Beast” (somehow personified in Antichrist) is there – whereas the Antichrist is apart and separate from the Beast but somehow heads up the Beast Nation. (Note: If this sounds scrambled and mixed up, it is!). We may as well have a “Who’s on first, what’s on second” rendition of Bud Abbot and Lou Costello.

    The point is this: The Antichrist has enforced his treaty with Israel’s majority; AND in the midst of the 70th Week (for the treaty commences the 70th Week of Daniel - Dan. 9:27) he BREAKS the treaty. Amillenarians will insist that the “he” of Daniel 9:27 refers to Jesus Christ and not to Antichrist! Morrison has a conundrum here—if he too closely associates the Antichrist with the Beast, he will find himself into two 1,260-day time frames equal to seven years at the end of the age—that’s a “no, no.” However, if he can hide behind the end-time’s Beast Nation, he can somehow “overlap” the two wherein Antichrist and the Beast Nation work side by side, hand-in-glove in cooperation; but, once he admits that Antichrist becomes the Beast—then he must admit that Antichrist has been around for at least 1,260 days (2,000 years) as well as the “spirit of antichrist” (at least). But Morrison’s personification of the Antichrist at the close of the age is stuck in this “brief period of intense persecution” only. (Grief, perhaps to have “confirmed the treaty” with Israel at the commencement of the Seventieth Week). He knows full well that he has to get his Antichrist coming on the scene at the same time as his latter-day Beast Nation; however, Antichrist makes his appearance at the “end of days” just like the Beast does—but 3.5 years prior to the manifestation of the Beast, and the ultimate Beast Nation (Babylon the Great City) has, as Morrison claims, been around since time immemorial—the only thing is this: Antichrist occupies the first half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Beast occupies the latter half. He is called “the Beast” because he has committed the Abomination of Desolation; terminated the sacrifice; and thereby has broken the treaty or covenant with “the many.”

    Finally, Allan Morrison, as are most Amillenarians, abides either secretly, unwittingly or conspicuously anti-Semitic and, most definitely, wholly open to vehement fits of anti-Semitic rhetoric . . . predisposed to eliminating any role for prophetic Israel and wholly bent on today’s efforts to dislodge Israel from her ancient homeland . . . and in obvious support of President Bush’s two-state solution; although Israel’s total abandonment of the Holy Land would be preferable.

    “This suspension of the final enactment of judgment on the world is the reason that unbelievers will scoff at the very idea that Jesus Christ will return to carry out this task (2 Pet. 3:3-4). However, many believers have also been bewildered by this postponement of the public display of God’s victory over Satan, in which there has been an abeyance of Christ openly taking His place as King of the world and ‘making all things new.’ It is not surprising that the Lord’s people should be perplexed at this ‘delay’ especially those who were alive during Jesus’ post-resurrection ministry on earth.

    “For example, shortly before Jesus’ Ascension, His disciples asked Him, ‘Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?’ (Acts 1:6). But they were ignorant of a vast ‘mystery’ which is absolutely central to God’s plan, in His suspension of the final fulfillment of Christ’s victory. (Not to mention the fact that they were, at that time, still also highly ignorant about the end of the old covenant and the end of the nation Israel as the Lord’s people). (My emphasis, Morrison’s writing.)

    Peppered throughout Alan Morrison’s presuppositions are these virulent and intimidating disclosures of Israel’s current and prevailing apostasy—Israel’s materiality is a horrendous black eye, smack-dab in the face of Amillennialism! Allan Morrison, Ted Pike and sadly, Tal Brooke, appear hell-bent on exposing the latest “Zionist conspiracy” whereby evangelical Christians side with Israel to the detriment of their evangelical Reformer forebears, and for that matter, their Amillenarian, Roman Catholic heritage! Hence, the escalation of literature and writings, along with video, which denounce Zionism and evangelical collaboration.

    LISTEN AND WEEP – STEVE WOHLBERG AND RADICAL SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM ESCHATOLOGY

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    Listen and allow the Spirit of Christ to cringe within you as they ascribe our Lord’s person and work to that of Antichrist—for Steve Wohlberg (Pastor of the Ft. Worth First Seventh Day Adventist Church) is the perpetuator of this heresy and the unwitting companion of the DESOLATOR in so doing. In his writings there is the clear impress of and utter despite toward the Jew which borders on Anti-Semitism of the worst order, because it is enshrouded in eschatology and theology that is an offense to the Son of Man! He has taken the eschatology of Reformational Christianity, blended it with the depersonalization of the Antichrist—having transferred Antichrist to the Papacy of Rome (which is wholly Reformation eschatology a la Historicism-style eschatology) and made the Holy Sea the “System of Antichrist” the real Antichrist (and, embraced the absurd and superficial notion that the “Mark of the Beast” is Sunday Worship)—while utterly disinheriting the Jew, and most certainly, relegating their prophetic destiny to the trash bin of theological irrelevance, even apostasy! Wohlberg’s eschatology would have been wholly embraced by Hitler as insightful and liberating (Read Wohlberg’s Exploding the Israel Deception and weep!)—I dare say that even Wohlberg’s inclination to the Jewish Sabbath would have been tolerated by the Nazis in this context wherein the Jews are disinherited!

    I have decided to allow you to read his entire rant and how insidious are his convolutions—indeed, at least he is not a HALF-TIMER—but wholly discards the 70th Week, yet future (Note: I will interject my condemnations where appropriate!):

    “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.” -- Mark Twain (1835-1910).

    “Christians often debate about whether Jesus Christ will return for His Church before the seven years of tribulation (the “pre-trib” view), in the middle of the seven years (the “mid-trib” view), or at the end of the seven years (the “post-trib” view). Yet by far the most important question worth asking is: Does the Bible really predict a future ‘seven-year period of tribulation’ in the first place?

    “Shockingly, there is no specific Bible text predicting any seven-year tribulation. The entire theory is based on an interpretation of one primary verse, Daniel 9:27, which says: (my bold emphasis, and throughout)

    (Note: It is a misnomer on Wohlberg’s part that the Premillenarians to whom he alludes embrace the entire 70th Week of Daniel as “the tribulation”—they don’t; only the final 3.5 years are considered the time of “Great Tribulation”—Revelation 9:14; Matthew 24:21 occurs after the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:25; Mark 13:14, 19. The first 3.5 years of the, yet future, 70th Week of Daniel is the time of the prevailing testimony and prophetic ministry of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3-6. It is only after they have “finished their testimony” (Rev. 11:7) that “the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, over come them, and kill them” in full cooperation, no doubt, with “the Gentiles . . . and they (the Gentiles—i.e., “the Beast Nation” or Babylon the Great) will tread the holy city (i.e., “the Two Witnesses”) underfoot for forty-two months” – Revelation 11:2. By “overlapping” the testimony of the Two Witnesses and the “open persecution” of these same Two Witnesses for 3.5 days (Revelation 11:9, 11) numerous expositors violate the utter incompatibility of the 3.5 years of unhindered testimony (Revelation 11:5-6) with the 3.5 years of persecution or “treading down”; and, unwittingly make the Two Witnesses totally indifferent to the suffering of God’s people.) – Wohlberg continues:

    “He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease….” (Daniel 9:27 KJV).

    “Modern interpreters often conclude:

    1. “He” is the Antichrist.
    2. Antichrist will make a treaty with the Jews for “one week” (the last “week” of the 70-week/490-year prophecy) – meaning seven years of Tribulation.
    3. In the middle of the Tribulation, Antichrist will cause the sacrifices of a rebuilt Jewish temple “to cease.”

    “Thus Daniel 9:27 is applied to Antichrist, a seven-year Tribulation, and a rebuilt Jewish temple - yet the verse itself says none of this.

    (Alas! The “tail is out” – this phantasmagoric assumption is an absurdity, an utter disconnect – telling me when you are blindfolded that by holding the tail of an elephant you’ve latched onto a small monkey, may make you a monkey’s uncle, but will not make the elephant a monkey! Wohlberg would have us believe that Daniel 9:27 is the singular verse upon which the rise and fall of Antichrist rests—not so! Daniel 7 through 12 implicates the Desolator. What Wohlberg wants us to believe is that the entire argument suggests that the “he” of Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist; therefore, this makes the argument in full isolation—again, not so, for the entire thrust of Daniel involves the one who breaks covenant in the latter days and must be taken in the context of other portions of Daniel; specifically Daniel 7:8, 11, 17-27; 8:8-14, 19, 23-26; 9:24-27; 10:14; 11:20-45; 12:1-13).

    The fact is that countless credible Bible scholars of the past applied Daniel 9:27 to Jesus Christ, not antichrist.

    (And they were just as wrong as Steve Wohlberg.)

    “Matthew Henry’s commentary on Daniel 9:27 states, ‘By offering Himself a sacrifice once and for all, He [Jesus], shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices.’ British Methodist Adam Clarke’s commentary says that during Daniel 9:27’s ‘term of seven years,’ Jesus Himself would ‘confirm or ratify the new covenant with mankind.’ The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown commentary also says: ‘He shall confirm the covenant - Christ. The confirmation of the covenant is assigned to Him.’ (Note Wohlberg’s footnotes not included.)

    (Note: Nigh all of these expositors utterly deny the Lord’s purpose for Israel of the flesh in any way, shape or form—other than (perhaps) a tortured persecution in the last days to insanely drive them into the Savior’s loving arms!)

    “The following ten points provide solid evidence that Daniel’s 70th week doesn’t refer to any future Tribulation at all. Rather, it was fulfilled nearly two thousand years ago.

    1). The prophecy of “seventy weeks” means seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a time period starting, stopping, and then starting again.

    (Then, pray tell, what is this business of 7 weeks and then another 62 weeks to equal 69 weeks – it does not stop and start – but this logic is inconsequential – the 70th Week does not, and did not, continue with the original 69 weeks, plain and simple—there is NO biblical basis for his statement, none—nor for that matter Wohlberg’s parenthetical hyperbole “or anywhere else!” The First Coming of Christ is separated from the Second Coming of Christ—this is the most glaring GAP which, apparently, Wohlberg purposefully overlooks? Naturally, he sees no “gap” here either—since Amillenarians conclude that God’s grace has always had one continuing people and that the Church as a “great mystery” is but a continuance of His one purpose. In a real sense the “Amils” are correct; however, this does not obfuscate the blatant fact of the First and Second Comings of Christ.)

    All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (Genesis 15:13), etc.

    (Allow me one further insult: Indeed, there is no gap between the first and second comings of Christ in Wohlberg’s eschatology (per se) because the Gentiles became the “True Israel of God” immediately at the rejection of the Jews as “God’s chosen people” – and, furthermore, the clarification of that assumption was made plain by the heavenly revelations given to Ellen G. White’s enshrinement of the Seventh Day (i.e., the Jewish Sabbath, the Fourth Commandment)—so that now, they “who keep the commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 12:17) have absolutely nothing to do with “Israel of the flesh” and everything to do with the enlightened Church of Seventh Day Adventism—for the Seventh Day Adventists are they “who keep the commandments of God” – and NO, I’ve never been a Seventh Day Adventist – and you can sure see why by now.)

    2). The 70th week follows immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn’t, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!

    (Another illogical and inane assumption – the SEVENTIETH WEEK STANDS ALONE and is so described as THE SEVENTIETH WEEK).

    Messiah is crucified (i.e., “CUT OFF”) and then comes the 70th Week where this “he” shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week!

    Now, look at Wohlberg’s irrationality—he has Messiah being cut off “and then comes the 70th Week where this ‘he’ – (which Wohlberg says refers back to the crucified Messiah) – shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week!” Why is this so absurd? Because the “cutting off of the Messiah” makes His future participation in any seven-week covenant null and void—having already been “cut off!” It is a colossal attempt at “Messianic revisionism” wherein history past (Daniel 9:26) becomes history future (Daniel 9:27) or shall we be churlish and suggest Wohlberg has Jesus going “back to the future?” Messiah is “cut off” AFTER the full sixty-nine weeks or after the second set of weeks (“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off” – Dan. 9:26). “THEN he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;” – it is this AFTERTHEN which mandates Wohlberg’s impossible gap!)

    3). It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. Why insert one between the 69th and 70th week?

    (To prevent people like Wohlberg from distorting the Scriptures! They who ascribe the person and work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ will henceforth and forevermore be called on this heresy by yours truly until my dying day! There is a huge gap; and saying there is none holds absolutely no weight whatsoever! Again, is there not a GAP between Messiah’s “cutting off” “even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the DESOLATOR” – Daniel. 9:26a and 27b—Amplified Version—i.e., a gap between Jesus’ crucifixion and the terminus ad quem of desolations or the 1,290th day, Dan. 12:11? Between the crucifixion and the Second Coming of Messiah?)

    4). Daniel 9:27 says nothing about any “tribulation,” “rebuilt” Jewish temple, or “antichrist.” Zero.

    Behold, the monkey’s uncle! The implication that the sacerdotal rites are terminated in Daniel 9:27 mid-way through the Seventieth Week is clearly outlined in Daniel 8:9-14; as well as the political and religious connotations of this same “despicable person” (Daniel 11:21) who seizes the civil and religious affairs of Israel as “Prince of the Covenant” (Daniel 11:22)—undoubtedly at this same time. Finally, the termination of the sacrifice is rehearsed at the close of Daniel in Daniel 12:11 when “the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up”—again, coinciding at the mid-point of the Seventieth Week. The paltry evidence provided by Wohlberg is so terribly isolated compared to the propensity of evidence found throughout the latter part of Daniel, that a conviction of the “he” in Daniel 9:27 is overwhelming: The “he” is Antichrist!

    Indeed, if Wohlberg would only read the other passages which I have highlighted which accord absolute proof that there will be a rebuilt Jewish Temple and that Antichrist is alive and well – Mr. Wohlberg, you have taken the bait of the DESOLATOR, and have denied the existence of the personal Antichrist. Furthermore, allow me to irritate Wohlberg’s professions all the more by asserting that even the rebuilding of this Temple by his disinherited Jews signals the day of redemption for Israel and for the Nations—albeit, Antichrist shall descend upon the celebration of “abundance of life” during their Feast of Tabernacles and desecrate their prophetic effort mid-way through his fallacious treaty—even so, the Messiah shall have the last word in this desecration and the full redemption of His brethren according to the flesh.

    As Joseph (Genesis 41-47) disclosed his true identity to BOTH his brothers and his father Jacob, and to the Egyptians, even so, the Son of Man shall, during the crucible of the 70th Week of Daniel (for the SEVEN years of “tribulation” within Daniel’s 70th Week are akin to the SEVEN years which the famine in Joseph’s time afflicted the whole earth—Gen. 41:27), progressively reveal Himself to His brethren according to the flesh, until “all Israel shall be saved” (Romans 11:25-27)—and the cry from Israel shall go up upon their BLESSEDNESS: “Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord, HOSANNA!” (Daniel 12:12; Matthew 23:39; 21:15-16; Zechariah 12:10-14; 13:6).

    Yes, the day comes when we, the wild olive tree, who have been grafted into “among them” (i.e., Israel – Romans, 11:17-24) – yes, we who “know in part and we (who) prophesy in part” (I Cor. 13:9) (and who) “see in a mirror, dimly” (I Cor. 13:12), shall, on that day under “Joseph’s ministry” wholly participate with those “beloved for the fathers’ sake” – with those of Israel in whom “blindness in part has happened” (Romans 11:28, 25) and then shall Zechariah’s prophecy be fulfilled:

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    “Take the silver and gold, make an elaborate crown (lit. “crowns”), and set it on the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest . . . then speak to him, saying . . .

    “‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, saying:

    “Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! From His place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of the LORD; Yes, He shall build the temple of the LORD. He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on His throne; so He shall be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.’” (Zechariah 6:11-13) (i.e., “both offices” – the Kingship and the Priesthood – the “earth and the heavens” – the State and the Church – Israel and the Church – the Olive Trees and the Lampstands)

    “Now the elaborate crown (lit. “the crowns”) shall be for a memorial in the temple of the LORD
    Even those from afar shall come and build the temple of the LORD” (Zechariah 6:5a).


    Likewise, the “terrestrial and the celestial” (the earthly and the heavenly) realities of the “temple of God” measured by John via the “measuring rod” given by the angel (Revelation 10:8) to John are clearly delineated as BOTH the earthly “rebuilt Jewish Temple” within the crucible of the, yet future, 70th Week of Daniel (i.e., “measure the temple of God, the altar . . .” Rev. 11:2), as well as the heavenly reality of that Temple (naos) – “measure . . . those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months” Rev. 11:11b-2). Clearly, the physicality of the temple is not only highlighted and in existence at this yet future time—this is NOT abstract—but, likewise, the “spiritual prospect” of the Temple of God and its spiritual antithesis simply cannot be ignored as wholly within the realm of such measurements; viz. they are “tangible” and “intangible” realities of the earthly and the heavenly. It is utterly impossible to excise Revelation 11:1-2 relative to “the Temple of God” and thereby spiritualize its significance as wholly abstract, metaphorical, materially inconsequential—and, for that matter, neither is the Church and physical Israel, divorced from “those who worship there” as some sort of ethereal, celestial “body” dealing with their antithetical “court of the Gentiles” who dare to trample the “Holy City” underfoot in concert with “the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit” for 42 months (Revelation 11:2b, 7)—i.e., though the “spiritual realities” abide—they are, nevertheless, played out in the physical world of the 70th Week of Daniel; time and space does not extinguish the panoply of redemption throughout the progression of the 70th Week! So much for Wohlberg’s inane comment: “Daniel 9:27 says nothing about any ‘tribulation,’ ‘rebuilt’ Jewish temple, or ‘antichrist.’ Zero.”

    5). Daniel 9:24-27’s focus is the Messiah. After the Messiah is ‘cut off’ (referring to Christ’s death), ‘the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.’ This refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70.

    (Interesting – we are now into 70 AD and then in (6) below Wohlberg becomes retrograde and goes back before the crucifixion of Christ—for he most certainly can not go forward from the crucifixion, lest his entire eschatological canard be discredited and the 69th Week is separated from the 70th week!)

    6). ‘He shall confirm the covenant.’ Paul said ‘the covenant’ was ‘confirmed before by God in Christ’ (Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came ‘to confirm the promises made to the fathers’ (Romans 15:8). The word ‘covenant’ is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not antichrist.

    BOLDARDASH! Has he not read Isaiah 28:15, 18?

    “Because you have said, ‘We have made a COVENANT (Strong’s same word for COVENANT used countless times - #1285 – including in Daniel 9:27) with death, and with Sheol we are in agreement . . . Your COVENANT with death will be annulled and your agreement with Sheol will not stand.”

    If this sounds Messianic and an agreement with the Messiah—then I am the monkey’s uncle!

    7). ‘He shall confirm the covenant with many.’ Jesus said, ‘This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…’ (Matthew 26:28). Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.

    No, this one who confirms such a covenant is the same one in that very same verse (Daniel 9:27) who is the DESOLATOR! This is the same one who in Daniel 8:11-12 where it says:

    “He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away (which presupposes they have been reinstituted), and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.”

    To assert that Jesus was referring to Daniel 9:27 (specifically) when He said “This is My blood of the new covenant” is a quantum leap and, considering Wohlberg’s thesis, isn’t this statement in the “midst of the week” (at Jesus’ “last supper” before Messiah’s being “cut off”) – at the very end of the first half of Daniel’s 70th Week that such a “covenant” is made? No, this is not an allusion or direct reference to Daniel 9:27. So, am I to assume that the “confirmation” of the Covenant occurred at the “last supper” in the upper room—i.e., the end of the first 3.5 years or nigh in the “midst of Wohlberg’s 70th week”—or was it “confirmed” at the beginning of Wohlberg’s week at the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist? Sufficient unto the day is the ambiguity thereof! The answer, as from most Americans, is BOTH!

    8). “In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice…to cease.” After 3 years of ministry, Jesus Christ’s death put an end to all sacrifices in God’s sight. He is the final Sacrifice!

    How cavalier he is in the “3 year ministry of Jesus Christ!” Christ is the final sacrifice, indeed, but His ministry was for 3.5 years, not 3 years and where does he arbitrarily assert such a calculation? From the baptism of John (John 1:29-34) unto His first Passover (John 2:13-22) there were six months of “ministry” (from His baptism on the Day of Atonement to Passover is approximately six months) – for did He not perform His first miracle at the wedding in Cana of Galilee before He went up to His first Passover after John’s baptism? (John 2)

    9). “For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate” (Daniel 9:27, KJV). It was abominable for the Jewish leaders to put God’s Son to death. This ended their temple. Jesus predicted, “Your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38).

    Then when did their sacrifices cease – some 37 years later? (i.e. 70 AD). Yes, the Second Temple ended – but it is not the sum and substance of their abominations. This “overspreading of abominations” at the time of the end, in the latter days – extends from the termination of the sacrifice (in the midst of the 70th Week) until the 1,290th day (Daniel 12:11; 8:13-14). When Jesus mentions the “Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet” (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14)—He is drawing direct reference to Daniel 12:11, as well as Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 9:27. He speaks of the “midst” of the 70th Week of Daniel yet future, not of 70 AD, nor of Wohlberg’s biblical quote “your host is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38). No, it was not after the “tribulation of those days” (Matthew 24:29) that “all the tribes of the earth” mourned – nor was it in 70 AD that these tribes saw “the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (as Wohlberg’s allies amongst the Preterists claim—see next section below).

    10). “The 70 weeks applied to the Jewish people (Daniel 9:24). Christ’s public ministry lasted 3 1/2 years (Wohlberg’s already said 3 years.) during which His focus was “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 1/2 years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6) –

    (Note: This is the same delusion held by brother Pickle of the Seventh Day Adventists—Daniel’s 70th Week ends at the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles. Pickle also claims that there never was a separation or “gap” distinguished between the 69th and the 70th Week, nor, for that matter do such gaps occur in Holy Writ—everything is seamless, consecutive; the 70th Week simply follows the 69th Week. I propose that brother Pickle come to terms with the GAP between the first and second comings of Jesus Christ!)

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    “When the Jewish Sanhedrin stoned Stephen in 34 AD (see Acts 7), the gospel shifted to the Gentiles (see Acts 13:46) - exactly as prophecy predicted.

    (Another wholly unsubstantiated connection between this alleged gospel to the Gentiles and the 70th Week of Daniel—there is absolutely no connection between Cornelius’ reception of the gospel and the ending of the Seventieth Week of Daniel’s prophecy—NONE!)

    “The evidence is overwhelming! (It IS a monkey!) These eight words found in Daniel 9:27: “confirm, covenant, many, midst, sacrifice, cease, abominations, desolate” all find perfect fulfillment in Jesus Christ and early Christian history.”

    (What history? – Surely not among the early Church Fathers who spoke so clearly about these things—which things I have pointed out—the entire SEVENTIETH WEEK OF DANIEL WAS YET FUTURE!—do your Church History, Pastor Wohlberg.).

    “One major reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because its scholars misinterpreted Daniel 9:27. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the predicted One who would die in the midst of the 70th week! The same thing is happening today as Christian scholars misapply the same prophecy.

    (Gibberish – and said with Christian integrity and scholarship.)

    “The ‘seven-year tribulation theory’ is like a gigantic bubble. Once Daniel 9:27 is correctly understood and the pin of truth inserted, ‘Pop goes the seven years!’ It’s a fact: There is no Bible text that teaches any ‘seven-year tribulation.’ If you hunt for it, you’ll end up like Ponce de Leon searching for the Fountain of Youth. He never found it. Almost two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ confirmed God’s covenant, offered His life for the sins of the world, and by so doing, caused all animal sacrifices ‘to cease.’

    "May speculative error cease in our minds as we follow His truth."

    (And may the heretical teachings of one, Steve Wohlberg, who assigns the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ, perish from the face of the earth once and for all! And, may he allow the Holy Spirit to illuminate Revelation 11 to his finite mind!)

    THE COMING OF JESUS CHRIST IN 70 AD

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    Of all the farcical and aberrant eschatologies perpetrated upon this earthly clod, there can be none other so irrelevant, yet disturbing, than that of the full-out Preterist. Alas! The ISOLATORS have united with the DESOLATOR!

    Prophecy to them was fulfilled in 70 AD and the 3.5 years of Daniel’s 70th Week took place on the lead up to the destruction of the Herodian Temple by Titus in that fateful year (between 66.5 AD and 70 AD)—whereas Wohlberg’s deceit is completed (give or take) 3.5 years after Jesus’ crucifixion. Oh, and lest I indulge your imagination to its extremity—the full-out Preterist asserts that the Second Coming of Christ occurred in 70 AD (unbeknownst to vast segments of earth’s population—regardless of Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:29-30 wherein “all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”). This “spiritualized Second Coming” is so far out there that even Amillenarians must reject it!

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    Daniel 9:27 makes the division of v. 26 explicit, dividing the two events of v. 26 (the death of the Messiah and then the coming of the destroyer of the Temple) into two halves of a week or more literally a ‘seven.’ Here is Edward J. Young’s translation of Daniel 9:27.

    ‘And he [i.e. Messiah] shall cause to prevail a covenant for the many one seven, and in the midst of the seven he shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease, and upon the wing of abominations (is) one making desolate, and until end and that determined shall pour upon the desolate.’

    “During the 70th week (in the middle of it) the Messiah would cause the covenant (the new covenant, which was for many, cf. Matt 26:28), to prevail. At this time, after the first half of the seventieth week, God would bring an end to the legitimacy of sacrifice. This happened in AD 30 when, after the three and a half year ministry of Jesus, God put an end to the legitimacy of the sacrificial system by the sacrifice of His Son. The Jews would offer sacrifices for another 40 years but after the sacrifice of the Lamb of God the sacrificial system of the Temple would be invalid in God’s eyes. In the second half of Daniel’s 70th week would come the one who would make Israel desolate. This would confirm the new covenant, as the old covenant Temple system would totally disappear.” (Duncan McKenzie, Planet Preterist)

    There are slight variations on this theme amongst these brethren, but the consistent ascription of the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ is incessant, deliberate and uncompromised among them all.

    Again, the isolation of Daniel 9:27 from those verses in Daniel chapters 7 through 12 and of the Antichrist’s expressions, along with the Gentile World Powers under his sway throughout most of the book of Daniel (and into the Revelation), are all evidence which is swept under the rug of Amillennialism, Preterism, Postmillennialism, historicism and Reformational eschatology . . . all in a vain effort to attribute the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ!

    “The ‘he’ in v. 27 is the Messiah (of v. 26). He would be confirming the covenant during a seven year period. This is not referring to the Antichrist establishing a seven year covenant with Israel. All subsequent scriptural references to the Antichrist that mention a time period do so in the context of a period of three and a half years, never seven (e.g. Dan. 7:25; Rev. 13:5). Other than a mistaken interpretation of Daniel 9:27, there is absolutely no scriptural support for the Antichrist making a seven year covenant with Israel.

    “The covenant that would be confirmed (or would prevail) during the 70th week was the new covenant. The new covenant was established in the first half of the seventieth week with Jesus’ three and a half year ministry; this culminated with His once and for all sacrifice. The kingdom of God prevailed in heaven at this time but not yet on earth (cf. Rev. 12:5-12).” (Ibid.)

    Thus, was the Kingdom of God established in the heavens in 70 AD, but not upon the earth (Although some of Preterism’s allies among the Post-Millenarians would think otherwise—i.e., the Kingdom of God HAS been established on the earth through the Church.) Preterism’s conjectures are now enhanced by the likes of Hank Hanegraaff whose latest bombast against Premillenarians, accusing them of rank heresy, deserves The Tribulation Network’s counter-accusation and defense of Tim LaHaye and Hal Lindsey – to the contrary, Hank Hanegraaff has embraced rank heresy himself by attributing the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ.

    DANIEL’S 70TH WEEK IS ONE-HALF OVER

    Now, let us listen to the HALF-TIMERS and their deviant instructions which are designed to handle the prolific use of the final half of Daniel’s 70th Week in the Revelation (having come to terms, unlike their Preterist and SDA allies, that the Revelation was undoubtedly written post-70 AD (traditional view) and most probably 90+ AD during the reign of Emperor Domitian, so they exclusively allege that Daniel’s 70th week has already split itself, with one-half already fulfilled – these are the “half pregnant ones” who, as Wohlberg, ascribe the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ, but in a half-hearted fashion (Yes, I’m being sardonic!):

    “The prophetic period of time here is divided into four sections.

    “7 weeks or 49 years.

    “62 weeks or 434 years.

    “First half of one week - 3 1/2 years.

    “Second half of one week - 3 1/2 years.

    “Unto the Messiah, the Prince was to be 69 weeks or 483 years. Jesus Christ became the Messiah at His baptism in the Jordan, and the descent of the Holy Spirit. The Hebrew word for Messiah is ‘Anointed.’ The Anointed One - Luke 3:21-23.

    Naturally, this writer does not see that Jesus was not proclaimed “Messiah the Prince” (Daniel 9:25) by “your people” (Daniel 9:24)—the Jews—until at the close of his 3.5 years of ministry at His “Triumphal Entry” into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:1-11).

    “The simplest way of arriving at the date of the ‘Commandment to restore and build Jerusalem’ is to measure backward from the anointing of Jesus.

    “He was 30 years of age at the time of His anointing - Luke 3:23.

    “Add this to 457 years B.C. at which time the commandment was given - Ezra 7:11-26. This gives us 487 years.

    “Now subtract the 4 years mistake of our present Calendar. This leaves 483 years, or exactly 69 prophetic weeks.

    “The last week is seven years.

    “When Jesus was ‘Anointed’ 69 of the 70 weeks was in the past. But one week remained to be fulfilled.

    “The 70th week was to be given for the confirmation of the Covenant.

    “The First half of the one week Jesus confirms the Covenant.

    “The Covenant was to be confirmed for 1 week, or 7 years. Jesus Christ confirmed the Covenant the first 1/2 of the 70th week. From the time of the Messiah, anointing of Christ, to the end of His earthly ministry is exactly 3 1/2 years.

    (Note: These dear brethren are conflicted on WHEN this covenant was made by their Jesus – was it at the beginning of His ministry or at the end of it?)


    “In the midst of the week He, Christ, was to cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. This He did by the offering of Himself on the Cross. The sacrifice and oblations were those of the Law of Moses. Nothing could abolish those ordinances but the offering of the real antitypical Lamb of God - John 1:29. The sufferings of Christ satisfied every demand of the Law as it says in Romans 10:4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

    “Thus from the time of the ‘Going forth of the commandment’ to the Crucifixion of Christ 69 1/2 full weeks of 486 1/2 actual years had passed.

    “Between the end of the first half of the 70th week and the beginning of the last half of the same week, the entire church age must intervene. Mistaken interpretations are responsible for the placing of the last week in the end of the present age. Just half of the 70th week remains to be fulfilled.

    (Note: Unlike the pure Seventh-Day Adventists who dispense of the entire 70th Week within 3.5 years on either side of the cross, and realizing the preponderance of Scripture and latter days’ numerology relative to the 70th Week found in the Revelation, Ken Birks (an espouser of this view), conveniently places the last half of the 70th Week at the close of the age, yet future—i.e., during the Great Tribulation (Revelation 7:14))


    “The Second Half of the One Week the Two Witnesses Confirm The Covenant.

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    (And, again, brother Ken Birks is forced to “overlap” the prophetic ministry of the Two Witnesses with the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week, because he knows they “prophesy” for “one thousand two hundred and sixty days” – therefore, it is impossible for them to have had a full 1,260 days of unmitigated empowerment in the first half (since the first half is already fulfilled) – and, most assuredly, the trampling of the “holy city” for forty-two months MUST OF NECESSITY take place during the same time frame as the empowerment of the Two Witnesses (who are neither harmed nor is their ministry frustrated one iota—Rev. 11:5-6) – therefore, the 42 months and the 1,260 days of empowerment are CONCURRENT time frames – and, consequently, the Two Witnesses sit idly by while the holy city is trampled under foot for 42 months! What irks this math teacher is: “What does Birks do with the 3.5 days that their body lies in the street of the Great City?” He is forced to EXCLUDE it from the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week because these two have testified for 1,260 days; therefore, it must needs be that on the 1,263.5th day that they are resurrected; or that these final 3.5 days are simply part of their prophetic ministry and therefore fall within the 1,260 time frame. This is pure nonsense!


    Revelation 11:3 ‘And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.’

    (Note: The only problem here is that these Two Witnesses are apparently exempt from the entire onslaught of the Beast from the Bottomless Pit who wrecks havoc upon the “tribulation saints” for 1,260 days. These two “not-so-nice Good Samaritans” are then killed into the post-1,260 days of Daniel’s 70th Week and their dead body lies in open exposure for 3.5 days or around the 1,263.5-day or POST-WEEK—none of which makes any sense whatsoever!)


    “The last half of the 70th week given over to the confirmation of the covenant by the Two Witnesses, who confirm it by signs and wonders of the judgments of God. Even as Jesus confirmed it in the first half in signs and wonders of Grace as it says in Romans 15:8. Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers.

    Revelation 11-12-13 chapters bring the last half of the 70th week into view. It is variously designated as 1260 days, 42 months. Times, times, and a half time. It is 3 1/2 actual years. (Ken Birks’ The Explanation of the Seventy Weeks)

    THREE BLIND MICE—SEE HOW THEY RUN

    These three excerpts portray the ascription of the work of Antichrist to Jesus Christ – Steve Wohlberg (the entire 70th Week has been fulfilled between the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist unto the baptism of the Holy Spirit of Cornelius and the Gentiles – about 3.5 years after the crucifixion or a total of 7 years – thus was the entire 70 weeks fulfilled); Duncan McKenzie (the full-out Preterist who claims that the Second Coming of Christ occurred in 70 AD wherein the heavens experienced the Kingdom of God and the final 3.5 years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week occurred between 66.5 AD and 70 AD until the destruction of the Herodian Temple); and, finally, Ken Birks’ belated 3.5 years wherein Birks affirms that the first 3.5 years of Daniel’s final Week ended at the crucifixion of Christ and that the final 3.5 years are still to be fulfilled at the close of the age or latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week yet future.

    All three ascribe the work of Antichrist in Daniel 9:27 to Christ – all three conclude the final 3.5 years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week differently – and all three are deceived into thinking that Daniel 9:27 stands alone – apart from Daniel chapters 7 through 12. Their conclusions not only do injustice to the contextual study of the Scriptures, but the Divine intent to disclose the true Abomination of Desolation, the role of Antichrist, and the struggle facing both Israel and the Church in the Latter Days are occluded.

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    Moreover, all three, upon closer examination, discount any mentioning of the full Seventieth Week in the Book of Revelation (at best only the final 3.5 years remain) and, unfortunately, their protagonists, many pretribulationists or Premillenarians, unwittingly concur that there is likewise, absolutely no, or very little, allusion nor mentioning of the entire Seventieth Week of Daniel in the Book of Revelation—which we have proven there not only is but that it logically and spiritually is dead center in the Revelation (Revelation 11)!

    “Prophecy is pretty quiet about the first half of the 70th week; it’s the last half when all hell breaks loose, literally.” (“History, Our Future: Daniel’s 70 Weeks,” Watchman Bible Study).

    What infuriates these “three blind mice” is Israel’s incursion upon the stage of world history—ONCE AGAIN! She must needs be APOSTATE; a fluke of history; a retrograde deviation from the Scripture; a work of the devil; a grandiose distraction; and a preposterous, invasive, intrusion into the affairs of the true people of God, the Church. Worse, she is a RACIST STATE and a bothersome inflammation wrought by Christian Zionists duped by secular Zionism into believing that God is somehow still working with the sons of Jacob! What conflict of national interest into America’s foreign affairs—and the affairs of all nations—do such “Christian Zionist” obstructionists cause upon our worldly scene? Testimony? What Testimony? These are the scumbags of history—the rejects we Christians and Moslems, through conquest, dispersion, Crusader-Caliphate purges and expulsions, inquisition, pogroms, holocaust, assimilation and now Jihad, sought and seek to annihilate from the face of the planet! Alas! Why contend with these latter-day Pilgrim deviants who’ve resurrected their detestable presence (miserly though their land allotments are) and to plant these JEWS, once again, into their Beautiful Land! Shame, shame upon the Kingdom of God, upon the Church of the Living God! Shame upon the Christian English Zionists—those insufferable colonizers; and shame upon the Lion’s cubs (especially the USA) who encouraged and presently persist in Zion’s revival!

    Let not my facetious outburst alarm—I meant every innuendo embedded in its acidic discourse and that with Christian forbearance and deep concern that brethren who shame our Lord’s person and work shall one day reap the whirlwind of their subtle antagonisms which they bear toward the Jew; while their pious protestations, to the contrary, neither amuse nor persuade me of their blood-guiltiness, and the “doctrines of demons” which they have embraced—for these rejections are real and obvious to them who have understanding of the Latter Days.

    The entrenchment of this heresy is pervasive amongst Amillenarians and those associated with this deception—even so, the international encyclopedia Wikipedia dabbles in this subterfuge by inserting in its text on the Seventieth Week of Daniel’s Prophecy the following deception wherein Jesus Christ does the work of Antichrist and the destruction of Jerusalem takes place in Daniel 9:27:

    B. Daniel 9:27a - Messiah: And he shall confirm a covenant with the many [for] one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
    A. Daniel 9:27b - Jerusalem Destroyed: And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. (Wikipedia: Prophecy of Seventy Weeks)

    Carefully note that William H. Shea (an avowed Amillenarian and himself a Seventh-Day Adventist allied with the Biblical Research Institute of the SDA General Conference) has, by editorial insertion in this “anything goes” encyclopedia, usurped quantum eisegesis into Wikipedia and discredited an otherwise outstanding source of information; fortunately, I have purposefully countered his exclusivity and inserted what the vast majority of Premillenarians affirm to be the truth: The confirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is made by the Antichrist, not Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

    THE GAP BETWEEN THE 69TH AND 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL

    Some contend, like Steve Wohlberg, that any GAP between the 69th and the 70th Week of Daniel invalidates the message of the New Covenant. In a word: Absurd! The very nature of the First and Second Coming of Christ demands a separation between the 69th and the 70th Week. “Until Messiah the Prince” (Daniel 9:25) – i.e., Messiah’s Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem – “and after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off” (i.e., four days “after” which connotes the “inspection of the Lamb of God” and meets the Mosaic requirement of such a four-day inspection—Exodus 12:3-6—prior to the Passover and the “offering up” of the lamb). It is obvious that the “three blind mice” see NOTHING of these four-days of inspection of the Lamb of God!

    It is not “until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolator” (Daniel 9:27b) that we abide nigh 2,000 years the Second Coming of Messiah wherein the “Lamb upon the throne” (Rev. 5:6-14) shall be seen “coming in the cloud with power and great glory” (Luke 21:27—and much to the chagrin of most Preterists) and the time wherein it is said: “This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11—much to the consternation of Rick Warren who most likely will be busy about his purpose-driven purposes while condemning brethren “caught up” in the inane notion that prophecy is a distraction or a ploy of the devil). This “consummation . . . is poured out on the Desolator” occurs during the “Wrath of the Lamb . . . the great winepress of the wrath of God” (Rev. 6:16-17; 16:19; cf. Rev. 14:10, 19; 15:1, 7; 16:1; 19:15) during the 30 days from the close of the 70th Week unto the 1,290th day (Daniel 12:11).

    Yes, there is a two-thousand year disposition between “My Servant, the BRANCH” (depicted in Zechariah 3:6-9 as Joshua, the High Priest), and “Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH” (depicted in Zechariah 6:9-13 when this same Joshua (not Zerubbabel the Governor) is crowned as the Priest-King—“He shall build the temple of the LORD. . . He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on His throne; so He shall be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both (the kingship and the priesthood).”). In the first coming of Messiah He came as the suffering servant—My Servant the BRANCH; the second coming of Messiah He comes as the Son of Man with power and great glory: “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30).

    Oh, may the Lord of the Church, prepare our hearts, as we look unto Jesus in these Last Days—may this rank deception, which comes in a plethora of colors, shapes and sizes, wherein the work of Antichrist is attributed to Jesus Christ, be stripped from the Church’s lexicon as we approach the end of the age—with clarity and resolute defiance in the power of the Holy Spirit, we withstand him who doth accuse, by the power of the blood and by the word of our testimony, as we embrace THE SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH (Daniel 10:21).

    God bless us all as we affirm the faith once delivered! The entire Seventieth Week remains yet unfulfilled – but we rapidly approach its commencement. As “My Servant the BRANCH” laid down His life, taking upon Himself “the sin of us all” (i.e. “Take away (from Joshua the high priest) the filthy garments from him . . . I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes”—Zechariah 3:4-5); even so, now He Who comes with “many crowns” upon His head (Rev. 19:12; Zechariah 6:11—the “elaborate” 3-tiered crown—our Prophet, Priest and King) will be the same One spoken of in Hebrews 9:27: “So Messiah was offered once to bear the sins of many . . . to those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a SECOND TIME, apart from sin, for salvation.” HOSANNA: Bring Salvation NOW!

    WE’RE LIVING IN THE 70TH WEEK? WHAT ARE THE 14,000 DAYS? Or THE PECULIAR TEACHING OF NICK GOGGIN ALONG WITH HERB PETERS PRE-EMPTIVE 70TH WEEKERS – GOD’S PLAN v. SATAN’S PLAN

    miz6.
    The Watchman Bible Study Group, headed up by editor Nick Goggin of either Chicago, Ill. or Burien, WA, initially comes across as insightful and wholly committed to the Premillenarian interpretation of the Scriptures.

    However, upon closer examination, it becomes glaringly apparent that the site is intensely “anti-Judaic” and not so subtle in its anti-Semitic claptrap (although Nick rants and raves about not being anti-Semitic—he’s redefined what being anti-Semitic is but he’s one poor wordsmith). The “truth teller” himself, Ted Pike, and his battle against “hate crime legislation” shows up on the site—the dynamic duo slips and slides all over their denials of their latent and blatant animosity toward the Jews.

    What’s so peculiar is the fact that on his “education page” he gives high accolades to the likes of Chuck Missler, Herb Peters, Constance Cumbey (all of whom are enamored with Javier Solana and a Euro-Centric Antichrist, which, apparently, Nick is as well—but let’s face it, all three can spot an anti-Semite miles away; so I have no idea why Nick credits his education from that lot), Charlie and John Zachary who gave Nick insight on the 14,000 days (which we shall discuss), Ron Wyatt, Jonathan Gray, Kent Hovind, William Koenig (apparently running for US President in 2008), Doug Perry with Fellowship of the Martyrs (a brother well spoken of), along with Chip Ingram). Praise God I’m not on Nick’s education list!

    That said – let’s take a look at Nick’s intricate way of obfuscating the work of Antichrist and dragging the 70th Week into a whole new dimension of obscurity.

    This is a form of Premillenarian pre-emption –listen as Nick expounds:

    “I would like to point out as well that there is no direct connection to the antichrist's covenant coinciding with the starting of the last 7 years of history where God deals with Israel as a nation again. I also have no reason to believe that the 70th week is marked by the antichrist's covenant with many either. I believe the 70th week of Daniel begins on God’s timing and is indeed even written in the stars as a sign.

    “The antichrist confirms a covenant with many for one week. But is that week the beginning of the 70th week? Or is that week-long covenant made for seven years independent of the starting and ending of the 70th week of Daniel? I’ll try and explain better... I see it two ways, either the 70th week of Daniel’s beginning and end is based on God’s plans for Israel or Satan’s plans.” (Nick Goggin, History, Our Future: Daniel’s 70th Week, Watchman Bible Study, 11-20-2007)

    Prophetic Technology (Astronomy Dates – Biblical Events) by John Zachary is the inspiration behind Nick Goggin’s thesis and why Antichrist’s accord with Israel must be “independent” from the commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week—i.e., in Nick’s thinking the 70th Week of Daniel does NOT need Antichrist to commence the 70th Week with a “treaty” or “covenant” with modern Israel—but the stars sure do! What the commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week needs is 14,000 days from the time modern Israel gave up their Temple Mount in 1967 until Rosh Hoshanah in 2005 (because this 14,000 is similar in time in reference to Israel’s wandering in the Wilderness prior to entering the Good Land, and similar between the “rejection of Jesus as Messiah” by the majority of the Jews until the destruction of their Temple in 70 AD).

    In other words, Nick suggests that the “week-long covenant made with the many for seven years by Antichrist” is independent of the commencement of the 70th week of Daniel. Nick calls this differentiation “God’s Plan v. Satan’s Plan.”

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    Nick sets in motion the blurring of the commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week—as if it has nothing to do with the confirmation of the treaty signed by Antichrist and the actual commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week. But why? Because it’s a lead up to his “14,000 day thesis” and is somehow confirmed by Herb Peter’s possible commencement of the 70th Week already begun! In other words, the commencement of the Daniel’s 70th Week is not subjected to Antichrist’s treaty with Israel.

    “I think what Herb L. Peters has been presenting fits very snugly in what I found when I combined the 14,000 days and the exact day prophecies from Daniel and John. It’s Satan's reaction to God’s clock starting again. Exactly 14,000 days from their rejection of God’s provision in giving them back the temple mount and Jerusalem (1967), God’s clock for Israel turned on again. One generation after rejecting God’s gift through lack of faith, a new generation takes lead over Israel. Now, after God starts the clock, the long-time leader Sharon is removed from power in early 2006. What’s happening in the Middle East fits right in with the timeline too. I really believe we're building up to the end right now. If so, we can expect to see the temple going up soon, perhaps within a year or less. If it does, then that means we’ve been in the 70th week of Daniel since Rosh Hoshanah last year! (i.e., October 4, 2005) Prophecy is pretty quiet about the first half of the 70th week; it’s the last half when all hell breaks loose, literally.

    “It’s (i.e., the 14,000 day theory) based on dates, which are based on the orbits of the solar system. That by itself is incredible to me, however what makes it supernatural is that this very length of time, 14,000 days, was used first in the Bible, to the day, for the wilderness wanderings from Sinai to crossing Jordan and then converged with history the very day Israel gave up control of the Temple Mount to lead us to Rosh Hashanah, 2005! That looks a lot like the precision of the first 69 weeks! And that same 14,000 day length of time follows the end of the 69 weeks. This means that 14,000 days flank both the end of the 69 weeks and the start of the 70th week, completing the prophecy given to Daniel regarding the future of His people, Israel! See more mirrors in the prophetic timeline.”

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    “There is a possible fulfillment right now of Daniel 9:27 with the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) being brought forth by the European Union (EU). It’s a 7-year funding instrument (effective date: January 1, 2007) with a mid-term review, which is currently having the effect of bringing people to the table to discuss peace in the Middle East. See News and background here. It’s being spearheaded by Javier Solana, Secretary-General of the EU. I recommend reading Herb L. Peters free online e-book Recommendation 666. He has been watching the EU for over a decade and studying Bible prophecy. This is another reason why I believe the end-times are now. This fits Bible prophecy AND the timeline I’ve been researching. Herb explains here.

    “It could be anytime after the children are born, but we see from history that it was much more precise a prophecy than that, it was 14,000 days from the triumphal entry when Christ made this prophecy [April 6, 32 AD] to when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple Mount [August 5, 70 AD]. We have the wholly Biblical first account of a generation when Israel wandered the wilderness for 14,000 days exactly.” (Ibid.)

    Nick concludes that in 1967 (June 17, 1967—the actual date Israel gave back the Temple Mount to the Moslems) until October 4, 2005 there are 14,000 days with the 14,000th day landing on October 4, 2005. The only problem with Nick’s time spans is this: They don’t total to 14,000 days. Using the Gregorian calendar of 365 ¼ days in a year, there are 36 full years from (1968 through 2004) or 13,154 days + the days remaining in both 1967 (199) and 2005 (278) or 477 or 13,154 + 477 = 13,631 days (approx.). Since the lunar or sabbatical calendar of the Hebrews is actually less days the figure of 13,631 would be the greater of the two; therefore, where are the other approximate 369 days or additional year? Perhaps Nick’s Rosh Hashanah is 2006 and not 2005, falling on September 22, 2006. So, from October 4, 2005 until September 22, 2006 we could add an additional 334 days and a total of 334 + 13,631 = 13,965 days (still short around 35 days but getting close; and, if we start on June 7, 1967 we’d come to 13,975 days). Notwithstanding my own calculation—let’s say somehow, some way, Nick gets to his 14,000 days—but we have this information to contend with as well:

    “On Saturday June 17, 1967, shortly after the end of the Six Day War, Defense minister Moshe Dayan entered the Al-Aksa Mosque for a historic meeting. In a gesture of good will, Dayan sat down on the prayer carpet with five leaders of the Supreme Muslim Council (the Waqf) of what had been Jordanian-controlled Jerusalem. That discussion fixed Israel's policy regarding the Temple Mount, a policy that remains unchanged to this day.” (Preparations for a Third Jewish Temple, Edited by Lambert Dolphin)

    Nick’s 70th Week kicks off, not with the “Treaty of Death and Hell” but with Ariel Sharon’s removal from office and coma in early 2006; and, since, as Nick claims, “Prophecy is pretty quiet about the first half of the 70th week; it’s the last half when all hell breaks loose, literally” – then things have been relatively calm since October 4, 2005 until the present—or around 800 days or so (at this writing it is now December 9, 2007). So, the big question is: When will the half-way mark happen in Nick’s scenario—or does it matter, now that the 70th Week is connected to the stars and not to the Antichrist? For, in Nick’s world, the Antichrist is involved in a “seven-year treaty” having nothing to do with the 70th Week of Daniel. In any event, let’s just say Nick’s mid-point in his parallel universe would calculate to something like this: Take the 1,260 days until the middle of the 70th Week or – October 4, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 = 1,184 days + an additional 76 days into 2009 to account for a total of 1,260 days (1,184 + 76 = 1,260 days). This would bring us on the Gregorian calendar to March 16, 2009 (because 2008 has 29 days in February).

    So, what is mid-March, 2009 – anything significant? Turns out Bach died on March 16 in 1640, that’s all. But to Nick it doesn’t matter – time will run out somewhere on the 240th day of the year 2012 or on August 27, 2012—not quite on December 21, 2012 the terminus of the Mayan Calendar. Also, nothing on the Jewish Calendar matched with August 27, 2012 takes place. Nick doesn’t tell us what happens at the end of the 70th Week in August, 2012; but the key is to get the 70th Week started at the end of the 14,000 day from the time the Israelis gave up control of the Temple Mount to the Moslems in 1967.

    “The two 14,000 day periods are separated by 1,896.83 years, but the 14,000 days is mirrored on both sides of the gap of time between the 69th and 70th week in Daniel’s prophecy.

    “14,000 days from giving up the Temple Mount to the Jewish ‘head of the year’ (i.e., Rosh Hoshanah) I believe that God gave Israel back the Temple Mount in the Six-Day-War. However, on the very day that Israel took back Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, they gave up control of the Mount to Islamic control and ever since have been haunted by that decision. I believe that was God’s timing to start the 70th week, but because of that generation’s rejection of God’s provision in giving them the Temple Mount, an extension period of one generation, 14,000 days, was added so that generation would not be in power for the 70th week. This is the same principle as the first mention in scripture which was also for Israel from Mt. Sinai to the Promised Land because they didn’t accept God’s provision, but turned to idols and their own desires.” (Nick Goggin, Mirrors in Prophetic Timelines, Watchman Bible Study, 09-18-2007)

    Now that Nick has God’s Plan—Nick’s actual beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel which would be somewhere around October 4, 2005 or September 22, 2006 (if we deign to give him more days to reach his 14,000)—Nick now launches into “Satan’s Plan” which is the “seven-year covenant” which has nothing to do with God’s Plan and the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel’s prophecy.

    January 1, 2007 - December 31, 2013 - ENPI - This is a seven-year political instrument that ‘breathes new life’ into the Euro-Med from 1995. It has a mid-term review in 2010. Fulfilled Prophecy - This website is run by Herb L. Peters, who has been watching the developments of the European Union along with Constance Cumby very closely over the past few decades. Read more on the European Union.” (Nick Goggin, The Coming Times, Watchman Bible Study, 11-26-07)

    At this juncture Herb Peters' Euro-Centric Antichrist ascends to the platform to give Nick the “precise speculation” he needs to commence his “seven-year treaty” (which has nothing to do with the 70th Week of Daniel). Nick’s Antichrist is, in all likelihood none other than Javier Solana. Again, what Nick is saying is that his 14,000-day theory somehow allows him to extrapolate the theory that the “week-long covenant made for seven years” by the Antichrist is apart and separate from “the starting and ending of the 70th week of Daniel.”

    “Satan’s Plan” is the “week-long covenant made for seven years” – the gap between the end of Rosh Hoshanah in 2005 and the commencement of Herb Peters’ ENPI January 1, 2007 treaty with Israel orchestrated by Javier Solana is irrelevant, since God’s Plan is different from Satan’s Plan.

    January 1, 2007 - December 31, 2013 - ENPI - This is a seven-year political instrument that ‘breathes new life’ into the Euro-Med from 1995. It has a mid-term review in 2010. Fulfilled Prophecy - This website is run by Herb L. Peters, who has been watching the developments of the European Union along with Constance Cumby very closely over the past few decades. Read more on the European Union. (Nick Goggin, The Coming Times, The Watchman Bible Study, 11-26-2007)

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    Finally, the pre-wrath Herb Peters:

    “So, in this one report, we serious students of Bible prophecy may have all we need to suspect that we could already be in the 70th week of Daniel. And in my opinion, the only arguments that can be raised against this possibility are based either on past speculations, or ignorance of the facts on the ground -- not the Bible.

    “Does that mean I know for sure we're in the 70th week? Although I believe all the evidence suggests this, I allow room that I could be reading things wrong. However, I know what I see. And so far, what I see matches the prophecy of Daniel’s 70th week.

    “You see, I believe the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership and Barcelona Process could be the covenant with many spoken of in Daniel 9:27. I also believe the European Neighborhood Policy could very well be the confirming process that’s referred to in the above passage. And, I believe the EU's coming budget period could be the seven-year period mentioned in the verse.” (Herb Peters, Confirming a Covenant, Fulfilled Prophecy, What Herb Thinks, 06-23-06)

    The aforementioned European Neighborhood Policy accord was signed between Solana’s EU and Israel, having been “finalized in October 2006” and taking “effect” on 1 January 2007. It is considered as a “A Progressive Seven-Year Accord Involving Israel” (European Neighborhood Policy); therefore, was Herb alluding to Nick’s 14,000 day theory which commenced Nick’s 70th Week on October 4, 2005? He could not have been alluding to October 2006 or 1 January 2007 because “What Herb Thinks” was written on 06-23-06 before those dates.

    As you can readily imagine—there is no end to these contemplations! Any way, shape or form – any Biblical distortion – any chronology which will detach Antichrist from his nefarious treaty and the commencement of Daniel’s 70th Week – any way that the Prince of Darkness can obfuscate the Abomination of Desolation—he will do it and, sad to say; yes, and dearly would Antichrist logistically conceal his true “base of operation.” We’ve not heard the end of his convolutions!

    IN CONCLUSION

    So concludes our twenty-seven chapters of ANTICHRIST – REFLECTIONS ON THE DESOLATOR. We keep this in mind and spirit, that the future Antichrist—a man yet to be embodied by the Prince of Darkness—is destined to “make war against the saints of the Most High” – against Jew and Christian – but, ALAS! his forebears have done great damage to the holy people and to those who bear the image of Christ . . . for “you have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists, whereby we know that it is the last time” (I John 2:18).

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    We have not laid stress upon those deceits past, but to the impending doom and ultimate glory yet to be revealed. As Albert James Dager in Media Spotlight has said: “The spirit of anti-Christ is far more prevalent than most would imagine, insinuating itself into every area of human endeavor including the media, government, and economics, as well as social, political, and military institutions, and every religion including even the Christian churches . . . This does not negate the biblical prophecy of a last-days ‘man of sin.’” (Albert James Dager, “A History of Anti-Christ, Part 1– The Antediluvian Age,” Media Spotlight, Vol. 30 No. 2).

    Our hope is that our emphasis has paralleled that same allotment given by Daniel and John in the Revelation to this most difficult and terrible of times and personage. To those who contest this final stress brings additional burdens to bear upon both Israel and the Church in the latter days, and even distracts from the Blessed Hope of His appearing and His coming’s apparent relief – well, allow me to bring to your attention that we are not “ignorant of his devices” (II Cor. 2:11) – for this slithering serpent well would conceal his aspirations to the children of men—and, in particular, “If anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be” (Matthew 24:23-27).

    Indeed, Antichrist recoils at his exposure by those “valiant for the truth” – surely the Prince of Darkness delights in brethren who would conceal his true identity, and all the more in those who would attribute his workmanship to the true Messiah!

    Even so, those critics whose accusatory tone declares our folly betrays the true exegesis of Scripture; instead, they bemoan our grandiose attempt at eisegesis and declare it distracts from the true meaning of the text—to them, we admonish to search the Scripture whether these things be so (Acts 17:11); and to “try the spirits whether they be of God or not” (I John 4:1). We stand upon His admonition to “discern the signs of the times” (Matthew 16:3) and confront the deception and despair descending upon this troubling scene—while holding forth the TESTIMONY OF JESUS at the close of this age. Our ultimate recourse is to Him Who bears the glory and will, by the breath of His mouth, consume this Lawless One, with the brightness of His coming (II Thess. 2:8); for He has said, “Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be.” (Daniel 8:19)

    HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT . . .

    May I leave you with this – deep into the 70th Week of Daniel, when all seems to be lost – there is the superabundant grace of Christ supplying us beyond the outer limits of our ability to withstand – from Corrie’s letter:

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    “In the coming persecution we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other.

    “But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting.

    “The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian's life.

    “Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too, am a little bit afraid when I think that after all my eighty years, including the horrible Nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also.

    “But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

    “When I am weak, then I shall be strong, the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord, we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down.

    “Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him” (Job 13:15).

    “For I know that to all who overcome, He shall give the crown of life.

    “Hallelujah!”

    - Corrie ten Boom - 1974

    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/ebooks/antichrist_reflections_on_the_desolator/jesus_christ_does_the_work.htm
     
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    The 'Hour of the Beast' and the 'Day of Babylon' defined in 3 Mirrors of the TwinLogos
    in 7 Weeks from March 1st to March 10th to March 25th to April 9th to April 19th, 2014


    DateDaniel

    Gabriel/Michael
    Persia/Grecia

    Hour of
    Babylon

    10 Horns
    10 Kings
    7 Mountains7 Heads7 Kings
    4
    Beasts
    Description
    Sat,01Mar2014------/---------------------
    1st Day of Isaiah's Sabbath Mirror Week for a Left Isaiah New Dark Moon lA!lB at 08:03UCT
    Sun,02Mar2014------/---------------------2nd Day of Isaiah's Sabbath Mirror Week
    Mon,03Mar2014------/---------------------3rd Day of Isaiah's Sabbath Mirror Week
    Tue,04Mar20141---/---------------------Beginning of 3 Weeks Gabriel Persia
    Wed,05Mar20142---/------------------------
    Thu,06Mar20143---/------------------------
    Fri,07Mar20144---/------------------------
    Sat,08Mar20145---/------------------------
    Sun,09Mar20146---/------------------------
    Mon,10Mar201471/---1---1st Left---------1st Heaven of Cosmic ID de Babylon
    Tue,11Mar201482/---2---2nd Left---------2nd Heaven of Expansion de Babylon
    Wed,12Mar201493/---3---3rd Left---------3rd Heaven of Order de Babylon
    Thu,13Mar2014104/---4---4th Left---------4th Heaven of Symmetry de Babylon
    Fri,14Mar2014115/---5---5th Left---------5th Heaven of Divergence-Infinity de Babylon
    Sat,15Mar2014126/---61st Left6th Left------1st LionRib6th Heaven of Inversion de Babylon
    Sun,16Mar2014137/---72nd Left7th Left------2nd LionRib7th Heaven of Reflection for a Isaiah Full Moon at lA<fB17:11UCT
    Mon,17Mar2014148/---83rd LeftLeft Mirror------3rd LionRibLeft Right Onsided Mirror of the 8th Relativity HeavenHell de Babylon
    Tue,18Mar2014159/---9/1st4th Left7th Left1st---ManHeart9th HeavenHell of Absorption in Quantization de Babylon
    Wed,19Mar20141610/---10/2nd5th Left6th Left2nd1st FallenBear10th HeavenHell of New Cosmic ID in Invariance de Babylon
    Thu,20Mar20141711/2111/3rd6th Left5th Left3rd2nd Fallen1st Leopard1st Hell of Convergence-Limitation as the 1st Pris(m)on Day
    Fri,21Mar20141812/2012/4th7th Left4th Left4th3rd Fallen2nd Leopard2nd Hell of Distortion-Entropy as the 2nd Pris(m)on Day
    Sat,22Mar20141913/1913/5th8th Left3rd Left5th4th Fallen3rd Leopard3rd Hell of Disorder-Chaos as the 3rd Pris(m)on Day
    Sun,23Mar20142014/1814/6th9th Left2nd Left6th5th Fallen4th Leopard4th Hell of Contraction-Devolution as the 4th Pris(m)on Day
    Mon,24Mar20142115/1715/7th10th Left1st Left7th Healed6th IS IDIronMan5th Hell of Cosmic AntiID as the 5th Pris(m)on Day
    Tue,25Mar201400016/1600/8th11th Center00000008th7th IS TO BEoooooooCentral Doublesided Mirror of Logos Relativity
    Wed,26Mar20142117/1515/7th10th Right1st Right7th Healed6th IS IDIronMan5th Hell of New Cosmic ID as the 6th Pris(m)on Day
    Thu,27Mar20142018/1414/6th9th Right2nd Right6th5th Fallen4th Leopard4th Hell of New Evolution as the 7th Pris(m)on Day
    Fri,28Mar20141919/1313/5th8th Right3rd Right5th4th Fallen3rd Leopard3rd Hell of New Lawfulness as the 8th Pris(m)on Day
    Sat,29Mar20141820/1212/4th7th Right4th Right4th3rd Fallen2nd Leopard2nd Hell of New Harmonisation as the 9th Pris(m)on Day
    Sun,30Mar20141721/1111/3rd6th Right5th Right3rd2nd Fallen1st Leopard1st Hell of New Eternity as the 10th Pris(m)on Day for A Right Isaiah New Dark Moon aA!aB at 18:48UCT
    Mon,31Mar201416---/1010/2nd5th Right6th Right2nd1st FallenBear10th HellHeaven of New Cosmic AntiID in Inversion as 1st/10th de Babylon
    Tue,01Apr201415---/99/1st4th Right7th Right1st---ManHeart9th HellHeaven of Reflection in Quantization as 2nd/9th de Babylon
    Wed,02Apr201414---/883rd RightRight Mirror------3rd LionRibRight Left Onesided Mirror of the 8th Relativity HellHeaven as 3rd/8th de Babylon
    Thu,03Apr201413---/772nd Right7th Right------2nd LionRib7th Heaven of Reflection as 4th/7th de Babylon
    Fri,04Apr201412---/661st Right6th Right------1st LionRib6th Heaven of Inversion as 5th/6th de Babylon
    Sat,05Apr201411---/55---5th Right---------5th Heaven of Divergence-Infinity as 6th/5th de Babylon
    Sun,06Apr201410---/44---4th Right---------4th Heaven of Symmetry as 7th/4th de Babylon
    Mon,07Apr20149---/33---3rd Right---------3rd Heaven of Order as 8th/3rd de Babylon
    Tue,08Apr20148---/22---2nd Right---------2nd Heaven of Expansion as 9th/2nd de Babylon
    Wed,09Apr20147---/11---1st Right---------1st Heaven of Cosmic ID as 10th/1st de Babylon
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    Isaiah 66:22-24
    King James Version (KJV)

    22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.


    24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.


    Daniel 7

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

    2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

    5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

    6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


    9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

    11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

    14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

    16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

    17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

    19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

    20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

    22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

    23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.


    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.


    Daniel 10
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

    2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

    3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

    4 And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel;

    5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:


    6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

    7 And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

    8 Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.

    9 Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

    10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.

    11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

    12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

    13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

    14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

    15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.

    16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

    17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

    18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

    19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

    20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

    21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.


    Revelation 13
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.


    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

    11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


    13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

    14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


    Revelation 17
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

    2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

    3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

    4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

    5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

    6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

    14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

    15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

    17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.



    Revelation 18
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

    2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

    6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

    7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

    8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.


    9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

    10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

    11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

    12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

    13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

    14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

    15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

    16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

    17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

    18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

    19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

    20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

    21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


    Revelation 2:10-11
    King James Version (KJV)

    10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.




    7 Weeks of 50 days become infused by 4 moons bounded in 45 days descriptive of 1½ lunations and in 2 Isaiah New Dark Moons of March 1st and March 30th, 2014 bounding a Isaiah Full Moon on March 16th, 2014, the latter completing a lunar cycle on the Passover Full Moon of 2014 on April 15th, 2014.

    10 Horns imaged in a central doublesided Mirror (of the 'See the SEA') of the TwinLogos and two equidistant onesided mirrors reflecting the left past in the right future, trap 5 Hells in 5 AntiHells to create 10 imaged Heavens in 10+1+10=21 days of Gabriel Persia mirrored in 10+1+10 days of Michael Grecia .

    The 10 horns become 10 symbolic kings, of whom 3 are 'swallowed' as ribs by one of 4 beasts of the archetypology, so defining a 7-headed beast as 7 symbolic kings and as encoded in Daniel.7 and 10 with Revelation.13; 17-18.

    A 11th horn defines the central Logos Mirror as the 8th head of the beast, which relative to the PRESENT of the 11th horn, does not exist as the PAST in the left onesided mirror of the 1st head of the Lion-Eagle beast with the 3 ribs intact.
    The 8th head does exist as the 7th king of the 'Day and the Hour of the Judgement' and is relative to the PRESENT of the 11th horn. It is of the seven other heads reflecting in it from the onesided mirrors on the left of the relative past and the right of the relative future.

    The 5 hells become mirrored as 5 image hells in 11 days and create a new image of ten prism/prison days which manifest as ten days as the doubling of the 'sorrows of Babylon' with the anagram identity of SWORDS of 79=MOTHER of WORDS.


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    2015 = 2060

    1335-1290=45=2060-2015
    360+720+180=1260
    10x60+60+60x10
    600+3003+006
    666





    A rational presentation of historical facts, observations and logistical propositions



    Utter Nonsense as Religion OABS


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
    http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/plaintexthistories.asp?historyid=aa35

    shilohaplace, April 9th, 2014

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    [8:11:55 AM-Tuesday, April 15th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: Btw a VERY important chart regarding passover and the Solomon temple will be published today
    [8:12:00 AM] Sirius 17: and adding text colors and quotes
    [8:12:01 AM] Shiloh: I had a big download
    [8:12:15 AM] Shiloh: yes you are doing great
    [8:12:18 AM] Sirius 17: oh, you did see the EQ
    [8:12:28 AM] Sirius 17: in the Solomon islands
    [8:12:42 AM] Shiloh: Don't let those errors bother you too much; it is SENSITIVE this forum but once ok it is stable
    [8:12:51 AM] Shiloh: Today?
    [8:13:14 AM] Shiloh: The 3rd Temple of Solomon is headline
    [8:13:29 AM] Sirius 17: yesterday
    [8:13:38 AM] Sirius 17: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/
    [8:13:57 AM] Sirius 17: 7.4111km S of Kirakira, Solomon Islands - 2014-04-13 12:36:18 UTC35.0 km deep
    7.6100km SSE of Kirakira, Solomon Islands
    [8:14:00 AM] Shiloh: A cosmic P(s)almed Wedding Week of New Jerusalem's Dragonomy in the Template of Solomon
    [8:14:00 AM] Sirius 17: and the day before
    [8:14:15 AM] Sirius 17: the big one hit on the 12th
    [8:14:22 AM] Sirius 17: look at the usgs there
    [8:14:30 AM] Sirius 17: ring of fire is going nuts
    [8:15:13 AM] Sirius 17: at first they said it was an 8.2 but downgraded it
    [8:15:29 AM] Sirius 17: but the aftershocks are still going on it looks like
    [8:15:58 AM] Shiloh: This dispensation of April 15th, 2014 on Passover-Easter Week 2014 then represents the fulfilment of all prophetic scripture codes in regards to the 'Rebuilding of Solomon's temple' and a cosmically defined 'History of Is-Ra-El'
    [8:16:03 AM] Shiloh: Things like that
    [8:16:11 AM] Sirius 17: yes i knew
    [8:16:31 AM] Sirius 17: this is the rebuilding of the temple time and i noticed the EQ
    [8:16:31 AM] Shiloh: But it will also directly authorize the cores dear
    [8:16:41 AM] Shiloh: And it will show you things
    [8:16:53 AM] Shiloh: I will start this now
    [8:17:10 AM] Shiloh: Full Moon is in 9 hours or so
    [8:17:20 AM] Sirius 17: it is still the 14th here
    [8:17:22 AM] Shiloh: The Blood Moon trigger into 2015
    [8:17:31 AM] Sirius 17: but they say the eclipse should be visible here
    [8:17:46 AM] Shiloh: I will add blood moon pic and video perhaps
    [8:18:04 AM] Shiloh: Visibility isn't the key; the timeline is
    [8:18:18 AM] Shiloh: Israel reconfigured cosmically
    [8:18:22 AM] Sirius 17: yes of course, i just mentioned that as i may be able to see it
    [8:18:27 AM] Sirius 17: the eclipse that is
    [8:18:32 AM] Sirius 17: it has been clear here
    [8:18:42 AM] Shiloh: Ok I will send you a draft in an hour or so
    [8:18:58 AM] Sirius 17: have you slept yet?
    [8:19:08 AM] Shiloh: Remember that the names are coded
    [8:19:11 AM] Sirius 17: you just woke up ?
    [8:19:24 AM] Shiloh: A few hours ago
    [8:19:41 AM] Sirius 17: ah ok dear, yes i am working on this thread
    [8:19:55 AM] Shiloh: A potent dream about cores yesterday which I could decode today or last night - ergo this chart
    [8:20:15 AM] Sirius 17: oh, will you share the dream?
    [8:20:25 AM] Shiloh: It was the twincore
    [8:21:05 AM] Shiloh: I made friends with someone (riding motorbikes) and this one showed me things
    [8:21:43 AM] Shiloh: At the end I met his 'core' and thought this is my dreamform, beautiful hair etc and she wanted me
    [8:22:02 AM] Shiloh: I could not get how someone so perfect should be someone else's core
    [8:22:39 AM] Shiloh: Then the dream went to myself alone again and many 'obstacles' and hatred from others
    [8:22:56 AM] Sirius 17: i had a powerful sexual dream the day of this EQ, some strange man invaded my dreams, had glasses and blonde hair and just fuc11ed the hell out of me. i did not reconize them at all or the energy signature.
    [8:23:12 AM] Shiloh: Today it dawned to me that this is the rebuilding of a cosmic merkabah
    [8:23:30 AM] Shiloh: I must do the chart to explain this better
    [8:23:54 AM] Shiloh: But it is to do with internal and external mirror symmetries the images of the GOT
    [8:23:57 AM] Shiloh: It is all GOT
    [8:24:11 AM] Shiloh: Yes this would be linked
    [8:24:14 AM] Sirius 17: nice
    [8:24:28 AM] Shiloh: It also explains our twinlogos entwinemet
    [8:24:58 AM] Shiloh: In short, a template must be created using ascension-descension of the JCCJ base perfect cosmic waveform blueprint
    [8:25:23 AM] Shiloh: This template then becomes a mirror as NEW for the OLD partnerships internally divided etc
    [8:25:48 AM] Shiloh: But the NEW is both cosmically and naturally cored to the OLD
    [8:25:59 AM] Shiloh: Like you and James and Xeia and Rok
    [8:26:18 AM] Shiloh: But the New is double polarity and HAS internal harmony; but the Old is singular in internal disharmony
    [8:26:27 AM] Shiloh: The old has not got this internal harmony
    [8:26:35 AM] Sirius 17: nope
    [8:26:44 AM] Shiloh: This is why the old human is continually at war with itself
    [8:27:05 AM] Sirius 17: yes and it seems a hopeless fuc11ing case
    [8:27:31 AM] Shiloh: It IS hopeless by nature and the original 'sin-ignorance' of the Male-Female divide
    [8:27:56 AM] Shiloh: Solomon's temple fixes it through and by the Body of the Christtwin
    [8:28:19 AM] Shiloh: Ergo the waveparticle duality unified in the resurrection
    [8:28:22 AM] Sirius 17: Tony this man in my dreams was someone new
    [8:29:03 AM] Shiloh: Yes, just as 'Greg' is for 'Chappell' and 'Shelley' is for 'Paul'
    [8:30:28 AM] Shiloh: But the wavecore template will be established by 'Paul' and 'Shelly' for 'Greg and 'Chappell' to transform as image of the old in the image of the new
    [8:31:32 AM] Shiloh: It can actually be expressed in mathematical equations, but the chart will show the basic supersymmetry between polarities both attractive and repulsive
    [8:33:07 AM] Shiloh: Then by the principle of mathematical induction aka the computer iteration n=1; n: n=n+1; a kind of domino effect occurs, which multiplies not only the JCCJ ascent-descent, but also the natural-cosmic coring partners of the old human dissonance matrices
    [8:33:38 AM] Shiloh: Those become the 'many mansions' of Jesus, prepared for the 'redeemed'
    [8:33:46 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [8:33:53 AM] Sirius 17: the empty vessels
    [8:34:02 AM] Shiloh: I will create this now
    [8:34:21 AM] Sirius 17: ok hon, thanks for explaining things
    [8:34:22 AM] Shiloh: I might add this convo as descriptor
    [8:34:29 AM] Sirius 17: sure
    [8:34:43 AM] Shiloh: Having said this, you or anyone should be able to decode the chart without using mathematical concepts in equations
    [8:35:10 AM] Sirius 17: hehe
    [8:35:37 AM] Shiloh: It is of course D.I.Y in substituting for the names of 2 'brothers' and 2 'sisters'
    [8:35:38 AM] Sirius 17: thats good because i suck at math still

    shilohaplace, April 15th, 2014

    Btw here is the edited chart
    [9:02:42 AM - Thursday, April 17th, 2014 +10UCT] *** Shiloh sent Solomon2015.gif Solomon2015.gif ***
    [9:02:42 AM] Sirius 17: yes i tried to download it but you must of been offline
    [9:02:53 AM] Shiloh: It has more codes you know about
    [9:03:06 AM] Shiloh: And a schematic pic of what this cornerstone is
    [9:04:05 AM] Sirius 17: oh nice
    [9:04:23 AM] Shiloh: Your harem is 7 lol
    [9:04:25 AM] Sirius 17: yes i did not understand this 7 lovers thing you mentioned to her
    [9:04:27 AM] Shiloh: Cosmic law
    [9:04:47 AM] Shiloh: There are just 6 adjacencies to the twincore
    [9:04:52 AM] Sirius 17: nice
    [9:04:59 AM] Shiloh: This is the hexcore +1
    [9:05:05 AM] Sirius 17: yes i got that part
    [9:05:18 AM] Shiloh: It decodes the 5 paradise trees too
    [9:05:51 AM] Shiloh: See the change is that your ascended core must precede your physical core
    [9:06:00 AM] Shiloh: This is JCCJ and the 3 secrets
    [9:06:22 AM] Shiloh: It explains the 7 husbands of the nonmarriage in heaven
    [9:06:33 AM] Shiloh: It explains the 5+1 husbands of MM
    [9:06:41 AM] Shiloh: And her 7 cast out devils
    [9:07:14 AM] Shiloh: So in a way you are Shelley and I am Paul as core #1
    [9:07:45 AM] Shiloh: But we are cored to Greg=you and Chappell=me as the Inner becoming equal to the outer
    [9:08:02 AM] Sirius 17: you said it explains our entwinement ?
    [9:08:06 AM] Shiloh: This IS twincoring wave and particular combined
    [9:08:10 AM] Shiloh: This was my dream
    [9:08:24 AM] Sirius 17: oh i see
    [9:08:24 AM] Shiloh: Yes as above Shelley is also Mitch
    [9:08:32 AM] Shiloh: Doug is Greg
    [9:08:44 AM] Shiloh: Aquarius-Leo
    [9:08:51 AM] Shiloh: Greg is also James
    [9:09:00 AM] Sirius 17: ok i see
    [9:09:19 AM] Shiloh: But Greg cant core to Shelley until Shelley has supercored with Paul
    [9:09:42 AM] Shiloh: Tony cant core with 44=Elder until Tony has cored with the MILD
    [9:10:04 AM] Sirius 17: yes the JCCJ has to come first
    [9:10:09 AM] Shiloh: Raven cant core with James until the Paul-Shelley core waved is authorized by JCCJ
    [9:10:25 AM] Shiloh: Exactly and this is Easter Week and the Passover Moon
    [9:10:43 AM] Shiloh: Ergo the 3rd Temple WILL be built Easter week during those 7 days
    [9:11:06 AM] Sirius 17: and this is the extensions, the many mansions


    John 14:1-3 - King James Version (KJV)

    1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
    2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
    3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


    [9:11:13 AM] Shiloh: Halfway is the Passion symbolised in your life by Coco DOG goes to GOD
    [9:11:19 AM] Shiloh: Yes
    [9:11:37 AM] Shiloh: There will be 7 primary lovers for all starhumans
    [9:11:50 AM] Shiloh: As the old 7 heavens see this now?
    [9:12:05 AM] Sirius 17: ahhh ok, lol makes sense
    [9:12:07 AM] Shiloh: This is why the woman in Luke has 7 husband brothers and not 6 or 8
    [9:12:17 AM] Sirius 17: yes and the 7 devils ect
    [9:12:30 AM] Shiloh: Jesus knew this but could not say it like that at the times of the Romans in Judea
    [9:12:51 AM] Shiloh: See this is a superpotent core definition?
    [9:12:56 AM] Shiloh: 1+1+2+3 = 7
    [9:13:13 AM] Shiloh: Unified twincore is 1+1
    [9:13:26 AM] Shiloh: Then follow 2 ground level partnerships
    [9:13:33 AM] Shiloh: Then 3 1st level
    [9:13:41 AM] Shiloh: This is the 2 against 3 of the GOT
    [9:13:59 AM] Shiloh: Fibonacci sequence right from the GOT
    [9:14:21 AM] Sirius 17: ok wow
    [9:14:28 AM] Shiloh: Natures way of maximizing data compression in all evolution and growth patterns
    [9:14:44 AM] Sirius 17: some download you had
    [9:15:14 AM] Shiloh: Yes my dream about this 'ideal' core lover brought it on and I had to decode this download
    [9:16:03 AM] Sirius 17: what else about the dream was there, you didn't say much
    [9:16:42 AM] Sirius 17: other than the woman in the dream was your dream lover, hairy
    [9:17:04 AM] Sirius 17: i don't understand the hair except that it symbolizes the waves i guess
    [9:21:28 AM] Shiloh: My love of hair relates to its cosmic nature of becoming the 'antenna for the spirit as the triple Logos Serpent of the White Light complementing the two known Kundalini serpents of the left Black and Right Golden disposition
    [9:21:51 AM] Shiloh: This is why those misguided islamists cover their femmes.
    [9:22:11 AM] Sirius 17: yes the antenna ok gotcha
    [9:22:42 AM] Shiloh: They know of its power and try to confiscate it. Yet they also allow the 7 wives but not the 7 husbands as the hypocrites of the inequality they represent in the polarity 'war of thoughtforms and culture defined memeplexes'
    [9:23:03 AM] Sirius 17: yes true, same with the Mormons
    [9:24:08 AM] Shiloh: The Mormons got that one right lol. Actually it derives straight from Genesis where Jacob has 2 wives and 2 concubines as mothers of the 12 tribes
    [9:24:26 AM] Shiloh: Abraham also had Hagar the handmaiden of Sarah to wife
    [9:24:43 AM] Shiloh: This again becomes the Fibonacci core cosmic
    [9:24:51 AM] Sirius 17: i meant in they are like the Muslims in that they don't allow the women more husbands
    [9:25:25 AM] Shiloh: The 1+1 are so Leah as Shelley and Rachel as Chappell in the Solomon chart
    [9:26:02 AM] Shiloh: Then the two adjacent dragonomies become the handmaidens of Leah in Zilpah and of Rachel in Bilhah
    [9:26:37 AM] Shiloh: This chart, if read appropriately and with insight aka true gnosis retells the Genesis family-lineages too
    [9:27:04 AM] Shiloh: It really becomes the 3rd reconfiguration of Israel as per the Blood Moon prophecies
    [9:27:08 AM] Sirius 17: yes, just like ABBA did when he split from BAAB to create the universe, we are like living the split but in awareness of the two rings now, back together and yet growing on and on
    [9:27:41 AM] Shiloh: But the inane and dozed off Nabsers and mainstreamers will wait for a long time for any political resolution about Eastern Jerusalem and the 3rd Temple
    [9:31:17 AM] Sirius 17: yes new land
    [9:36:08 AM] Sirius 17: Tony did you paste what i said to 44?
    [9:36:28 AM] Shiloh: No
    [9:36:29 AM] Sirius 17: err i mean what i said to you
    [9:36:45 AM] Sirius 17: well you never said what you thought about that
    [9:36:54 AM] Sirius 17: meeting in the physical
    [9:37:18 AM] Shiloh: I understand your impatience, but as you saw, she is sort of waiting for this too at its appropriate time
    [9:37:38 AM] Sirius 17: no i am not impatient
    [9:37:55 AM] Sirius 17: it is just something i have thought about
    [9:38:24 AM] Sirius 17: when does it become appropriate?
    [9:38:46 AM] Sirius 17: i guess when you both decide to make it happen
    [9:38:50 AM] Shiloh: When I am healed sufficiently
    [9:39:12 AM] Shiloh: This 'curse' is in the apocryphon of John as well as in Genesis regarding the 'Exodus from Eden'
    [9:39:19 AM] Shiloh: Perhaps you forgot that
    [9:39:35 AM] Sirius 17: it has been a while since i read it
    [9:40:07 AM] Shiloh: read particularly what is the issue with Adam after the archons created his bodyform
    [9:41:14 AM] Sirius 17: are you healing?
    [9:42:09 AM] Shiloh: I feel changes but the weakness in the leg muscles must take its course regarding the serpent's curse
    [9:42:50 AM] Sirius 17: i told you to get a tens machine, they will strengthen the muscles
    [9:43:43 AM] Sirius 17: but anyhow, my thinking was that if you did meet in the physical it would heal something
    [9:44:12 AM] Sirius 17: a connection would be made that was lost
    [9:44:26 AM] Sirius 17: regardless if you ever met again or not
    [9:44:33 AM] Sirius 17: much like xeia and rok
    [9:44:45 AM] Sirius 17: and james and i
    [9:45:33 AM] Sirius 17: and you said this before yourself
    [9:45:47 AM] Sirius 17: that meeting her in the physical would bring healing and peace
    [9:46:01 AM] Shiloh: Again, look into the 'Secret Book of John' and you might be able to discern and see the purposes and issues a little better. I do not ask nor require human interference or 'pathological clinical treatment'
    [9:47:14 AM] Shiloh: The MILD Core is beyond timespace separations, as you might be able to decode from the Solomon chart, should you read all those descriptors and consider what they might mean and infer for any particular embodied lifeform
    [9:47:50 AM] Sirius 17: yes i know
    [9:47:59 AM] Shiloh: Especially this Inner ID separation for Outer Ego Unification for the wavecore and vice versa for the bodycore
    [9:49:29 AM] Shiloh: I feel like I am ageless, especially mentally and memory wise and so I can engage a certain patience to tarry for my magnetochamber, which will reset the axion connections, so my biobrain can redetect the limbular connectivity
    [9:50:12 AM] Sirius 17: i understand, yeah i feel that way myself
    [9:52:32 AM] Sirius 17: you know they have had a breakthrough in medicine with paralysis lately
    [9:53:22 AM] Shiloh: Yes, I am aware

    [9:53:49 AM] Sirius 17: of course this is spinal cord stimulation
    [9:54:05 AM] Sirius 17: but it is an interesting development
    [9:54:33 AM] Shiloh: But the human medicine is fiscally handicapped and not generally available until the moneychangers have taken their dues
    [9:54:53 AM] Sirius 17: saddly true
    [9:55:09 AM] Sirius 17: people are getting fed up with it too
    [9:55:35 AM] Sirius 17: all the hold ups with treatments and red tape while people die waiting to be allowed a possible cure
    [9:55:35 AM] Shiloh: Like the environmental havoc, it is too late now for the human ingenuity to 'save' this planetary realm befitting its many lifeforms and consciousnesses
    [9:56:01 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [9:56:31 AM] Sirius 17: we need contact
    [9:58:20 AM] Shiloh: Contact has been made with the twin logos 'arriving' on Palm Sunday, April 13th, 2014
    [9:58:57 AM] Shiloh: 3½ days later in the Passover-Easter Week, Coco decided to meet Ripper on Sirius
    [10:00:06 AM] Sirius 17: yes now globally i meant
    [10:00:40 AM] Shiloh: Perhaps the Sirians can give some insights into this
    [10:01:42 AM] Sirius 17: yes i hope so, i got strong impressions they are coming
    [10:02:03 AM] Shiloh: They have many siblings on this planet
    [10:02:18 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [10:02:29 AM] Shiloh: As have the Pleiadeans, Arcturians and Andromedeans
    Sirius 17





    [10:24:08 AM] Shiloh: What bullshit
    [10:24:16 AM] Shiloh: And they listen to those morons
    [10:24:57 AM] Sirius 17: yes gullible
    [10:25:08 AM] Sirius 17: if the ETs were here we would know it, everyone
    [10:25:21 AM] Sirius 17: no one could hide the fact
    [10:25:37 AM] Shiloh: But see how this 'invasion' is the contraindicated agenda of the polarity agenda of the human created thoughtforms and memeplexes?
    [10:25:53 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [10:26:11 AM] Shiloh: They are reality
    [10:26:36 AM] Shiloh: 'The whole human race' will 'fix it all'
    [10:27:15 AM] Shiloh: Yes and the pink flying elephants and the 'spaghetti monster' are circling the planet
    [10:27:34 AM] Shiloh: Waiting to 'make contact'
    [10:27:41 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [10:28:03 AM] Sirius 17: yes i dont understand how they can sit there and tell bald faced lies like this
    [10:28:08 AM] Sirius 17: money
    [10:28:21 AM] Shiloh: She believes her own 'insights'
    [10:28:32 AM] Sirius 17: sure
    [10:28:39 AM] Shiloh: She is being 'interviewed' by a fellow believer now, isn't she
    [10:28:55 AM] Sirius 17: yes, weber, he is a nutcase
    [10:29:05 AM] Shiloh: This is the inner ego self attraction I have indicated
    [10:30:03 AM] Shiloh: The 'poor of spirit' of the Mount of Olives sermon addresses the opposite in the inner ego at war with itself but hencefore allowing outer ego unification
    [10:30:51 AM] Shiloh: The Nabsers are full of their atttacking 'outer ego' as arrogance, yet fail to see their inner ego making them 'feel good' with Nabs
    [10:31:08 AM] Sirius 17: what is it with these people always bashing on reptilans? omg they have no idea they harbor a reptilian brainstem obviously lol
    [10:31:52 AM] Shiloh: It IS and represents the only 'danger' to their human egocentric agendas
    [10:31:55 AM] Sirius 17: yes the war with the memes is plainly visible with these groups because like you said you can see their conflict
    [10:32:27 AM] Shiloh: The human mind is the only 'Devil' human thinking and perception and it is this what Jesus meant when talking about 'The Devil'
    [10:33:14 AM] Shiloh: The memewars are the 'principalities at high places' of paul's letter
    [10:34:02 AM] Shiloh:

    Ephesians 6:11-13 - King James Version (KJV)

    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


    [10:34:14 AM] Sirius 17: you know this annuaki crap was all started by Sitchens BS
    [10:34:33 AM] Sirius 17: pseudo history
    [10:34:35 AM] Shiloh: All those are MANMDE, created by nutcases such as Sherry shriner and those two in the video
    [10:35:18 AM] Shiloh: Yes, he meant well, but interpreted the mesopotamian records to his own understanding.
    [10:35:34 AM] Sirius 17: yes he did not have a deep enough understanding of the archetypes
    [10:35:59 AM] Shiloh: And because this was never checked rigorously, he got away with his interpretations until the worldwide web opened up his selfmade 'Pandora's Box'
    [10:36:21 AM] Sirius 17: oh he interpreted it solely to sell millions of books which he did, he was very rich off his books
    [10:36:52 AM] Sirius 17: well who the hell can read sumerian, very few people in the world could argue with it
    [10:37:08 AM] Sirius 17: there are a handful of experts in cuniform
    [10:37:18 AM] Sirius 17: like one hand
    [10:37:20 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [10:37:40 AM] Shiloh: Then many nabsers, mainly Barbara Hand-Clow and co, but also including Marciniak, Wilcock and the Avalonians bought Sitchin 'line and anchor' and their ego investments then prevented them to distance themselves from the obvious BS then surfacing under closer scrutiny and discernments
    [10:37:45 AM] Sirius 17: floppy ears and all
    [10:37:57 AM] Shiloh: It is a humungous monster memeplex
    [10:38:14 AM] Shiloh: It has become a monstrous memeplex
    [10:38:23 AM] Sirius 17: omg the lie has gotten so huge now it is out of control
    [10:38:24 AM] Sirius 17: it has
    [10:38:35 AM] Sirius 17: it is truly one big ass mother of a pink elephant
    [10:38:42 AM] Sirius 17: HUGE
    [10:38:47 AM] Sirius 17: David Icke has done a lot to foster it too with his Credo Mutwa and ilk
    [10:39:01 AM] Sirius 17: it has made him famous too
    [10:39:15 AM] Sirius 17: its too bad really because when he first came out he had such good stuff
    [10:39:26 AM] Sirius 17: no one took him seriously
    [10:39:26 AM] Shiloh: yes he is another one, who started with a real gnosis then going whacko in a big way with the publicity and nabs exposure
    [10:39:35 AM] Sirius 17: yes he got bought out
    [10:39:39 AM] Sirius 17: like bill and kerry
    [10:40:03 AM] Sirius 17: because it is a money maker in the nabs world
    [10:40:09 AM] Shiloh: Dont mention them. They have become the antithesis of what they were at the beginning
    [10:40:10 AM] Sirius 17: and they all have to stick to the lie now
    [10:40:36 AM] Shiloh: Kerry and Bill are obnoxious in their 'know better' grandstandings
    [10:40:47 AM] Sirius 17: so the whole nabser community is in cahoots to support the Big Pink Elephant at every level
    [10:41:13 AM] Shiloh: Dawkins 'Spaghetti Monster' yes. And you know what I think of Dawkins
    [10:41:38 AM] Sirius 17: lol yes
    [10:41:55 AM] Sirius 17: atheist from hell he is
    [10:42:31 AM] Shiloh: This is the sadness about people like oxy and also mudra and carol and magamud. He has a good heart, but has been deceived no end by listening to moronic disinformers
    [10:42:54 AM] Sirius 17: true, and now he is in deep shi20 mentally because of it
    [10:43:01 AM] Sirius 17: he cannot balance
    [10:43:36 AM] Sirius 17: having lost the ability to decern anything but the sound of his own questions and answers
    [10:43:55 AM] Sirius 17: he is like a one man band playing to himself
    [10:44:02 AM] Shiloh: He is paranoid with fear of the human made thoughtforms, charged with emotional energy and an energy he feeds with his behaviourism and thinking
    [10:44:22 AM] Sirius 17: indeed, highly paranoid
    [10:44:46 AM] Shiloh: You can blame the disinformation channels like this video above for this
    [10:45:17 AM] Sirius 17: god this thing is horrible
    [10:45:55 AM] Shiloh: Why I shared it. I thought of it as just another so so thing; but realised this is intense
    [10:46:01 AM] Sirius 17: blaming a non-existant ghost race of ETs for creating the slave system of this world and feudalism we all experience
    [10:46:02 AM] Shiloh: Many will fall for it
    [10:46:04 AM] Sirius 17: humans are dumb
    [10:46:13 AM] Shiloh: Lol no comment
    [10:46:16 AM] Sirius 17: cannot see their own responsiblity in anything
    [10:46:43 AM] Sirius 17: yes i see this crap on fb alot
    [10:47:01 AM] Sirius 17: reptilian this, annunaki that..blah blah
    [10:47:12 AM] Sirius 17: finger pointers the whole lot of them
    [10:47:18 AM] Sirius 17: lairs
    i freaking hate people who lie through their teeth
    [10:49:29 AM] Sirius 17: yeah i cant watch anymore of this crap
    [10:49:34 AM] Sirius 17: it is horrible
    [10:49:54 AM] Sirius 17: she is using her so called famous name as an Eisenhower to spread this shit
    [10:50:59 AM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DRpZ1Ac0s



    [10:51:13 AM] Sirius 17: watching something like this would be far more informative
    [10:51:54 AM] Shiloh: Yes alternatives for balance are required. But what nabser will consider 'balance'?
    [10:53:25 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [10:54:42 AM] Sirius 17: “Don't walk in my head with your dirty feet.”
    ― Leo Buscaglia, Living Loving and Learning
    [10:54:45 AM] Sirius 17: i like this
    [10:55:06 AM] Shiloh: Later on they bring in bible prophecy and ask Eisenhower for 'expert opinion' - hilarious
    [10:55:40 AM] Sirius 17: i can't believe your still watching
    [10:55:43 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [10:56:03 AM] Shiloh: There is just one Cosmic Logos for ALL the Worlds and the ETs, all ETs are well aware of it
    [10:56:22 AM] Shiloh: I will add it to the Solomon message
    [10:57:26 AM] Shiloh: The 'possessed' shudder in its presence, as they recognise it across all timelines and spacial locations
    [10:58:12 AM] Sirius 17: “Love is always bestowed as a gift - freely, willingly and without expectation. We don't love to be loved; we love to love.”
    ― Leo Buscaglia
    [10:58:36 AM] Shiloh: The first 'devil' Jesus encountered, returning from the '40 day wilderness' on his way to the Temple to confront the 'know it all' scribes illustrated this
    [10:59:30 AM] Sirius 17: “Our talents are the gift that God gives to us... What we make of our talents is our gift back to God”
    ― Leo Buscaglia

    [10:59:40 AM] Shiloh:

    Mark 1:23-25 - King James Version (KJV)

    23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
    24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
    25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.


    [10:59:52 AM] Sirius 17: yes true, sorry , i don't mean to be off topic, some of these quotes are really good
    [11:01:13 AM] Shiloh:

    Matthew 12:42-45 -King James Version (KJV)

    42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
    43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
    44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
    45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


    [11:01:20 AM] Sirius 17: watch that video i linked from 15 mins mark lol
    [11:01:22 AM] Shiloh: See the SEVEN again!?
    [11:01:42 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [11:02:34 AM] Shiloh: The Nabsers are just like this, feeling so clean and 'sanctified' inside as the Nirvana within, yet their 'clean sweepings' have become more dirty than before the witch's broom became engaged
    [11:02:52 AM] Shiloh: And they cant see themselves!

    Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin

    (34) Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pit."


    [11:07:57 AM] Sirius 17: yes and it is a vicious circle
    [11:08:50 AM] Sirius 17:

    Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin

    (43) His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
    < Jesus said to them,> "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate its fruit (or) love the fruit and hate the tree."


    [11:09:56 AM] Shiloh: Now Eisenhower is also an expert on the 'gnostic gospels' and the creation mythology of the archons. It gets better and better and yes of course, it is all Lucifer's fault.
    [11:09:57 AM] Sirius 17: describes nabsers in a nutshell, never happy with the truth but need to embellish crap
    [11:10:09 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [11:10:56 AM] Shiloh: This chick must have studied all this esoterica a lot. She should be a 'perfect match' for someone like me. Dont you think?
    [11:11:42 AM] Sirius 17: well you could certianly set her straight
    [11:12:23 AM] Shiloh: Do I find her attractive - mindwise or bodiwise?
    [11:12:50 AM] Shiloh: Neither - And - Or - Nor?
    [11:12:52 AM] Sirius 17: i don't know, i would hope not
    [11:13:05 AM] Shiloh: I shall refrain from commenting.
    [11:13:05 AM] Sirius 17: maybe mindwise
    [11:13:16 AM] Shiloh: You are a joker at times
    [11:13:20 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [11:13:28 AM] Sirius 17: i am
    [11:13:54 AM] Shiloh: A good example to show how the human bred intelligence can become misused and misguided
    [11:14:27 AM] Sirius 17: where did you find this video?
    [11:14:40 AM] Sirius 17: did someone turn you on to it or you stumbled upon it?
    [11:14:41 AM] Shiloh: Oxy posted it on Moa
    [11:14:57 AM] Sirius 17: lol omg DONT read his crap Tony
    [11:15:06 AM] Sirius 17: you will get sucked in
    [11:15:43 AM] Shiloh: I might indeed. I might find Sherry Shriner, the granddaughter of King David irresistable
    [11:16:07 AM] Sirius 17: hahaha
    [11:16:22 AM] Sirius 17: of course, she is King Davids grandaughter, whynot
    [11:16:26 AM] Shiloh: Then I might desire her to become 'cored' with me
    [11:16:52 AM] Shiloh: Well David was the father of Solomon and I am 'in love' with Solomon's daughter
    [11:17:13 AM] Shiloh: The Daughter of Woman Sophia

    [11:18:35 AM] Shiloh:

    Daniel 11:17

    He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.



    [11:19:07 AM] Shiloh: There is Sherry Shriner encoded in the Book of Daniel - right here. I wonder if Sherry knows about this.
    [11:19:21 AM] Sirius 17: Laura Magdalene Eisenhower...this chick has the right middle name anyhow
    [11:21:36 AM] Shiloh: Yes Mary Magdalene aka CJ is a descendent of the 'Harlot Line of the Logos' in Tamar and Rachab and Ruth and Bathsheba encoded in Matthew.1

    Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin

    (105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot."


    [11:44:41 AM] Sirius 17: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t72...curred-and-governments-do-not-want-us-to-know

    [11:44:49 AM] Sirius 17: oh it looks like mudra posted it first
    [11:48:18 AM] Shiloh: Well you know I like mudra a lot but she is as nabsey as they come in many ways
    [11:48:38 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [11:48:48 AM] Sirius 17: i did not like dd attacking her
    [11:49:11 AM] Sirius 17: Mudra is very kind
    [11:49:22 AM] Sirius 17: she is a gentle soul
    [11:49:38 AM] Sirius 17: regardless of her nabs involvement
    [11:52:46 AM] Shiloh: Yes this was unwarranted
    [11:53:40 AM] Sirius 17: dd has a very cruel side
    [11:53:55 AM] Sirius 17: it is a big turn off for me
    [11:54:35 AM] Shiloh: It stems from an inner fearsomeness and a subconscious state of ire
    [11:55:29 AM] Shiloh: This would be shared by all humans to varying degrees and expressions
    [11:55:46 AM] Sirius 17: yes the antichrist in all of us
    [11:56:08 AM] Shiloh: Precisely as the inner mirror of the 'comfort zones' both mental and emotional psychosomatic and so biophysically manifestable

    Brook wrote:


    211-2.
    Mother Mary ~ Let It Be








    In honor of this commemorated weekend on the day Good Friday ~ for faith and graduated wisdom I remember my mother showing me the Pieta by Michelangelo. As a child I was so moved by this graceful yet sorrowful sculpture.




    I didn't understand what it spoke to. Will we ever understand?




    "for thought they may be parted ~ There is still a chance that they will see..." Let it be.




    572px-Michelangelo%27s_Pieta_5450_cropncleaned_edit.




    There will be an answer.




    That's about all I have to say. For my own part ~ Just reflect and Let it be.

    Happy Easter Weekend friends.




    When the night has come
    And the land is dark
    And the moon is the only light we'll see
    No I won't be afraid
    Oh, I won't be afraid
    Just as long as you stand, stand by me

    ~

    If the sky that we look upon
    Should tumble and fall
    All the mountains should crumble to the sea
    I won't cry, I won't cry
    No, I won't shed a tear
    Just as long as you stand, stand by me

    brookcoffee.






    Solomon2015.



    Good Friday, April 18th, 2014 - Anniversarial Day of Friday, March 30th, 31AD - Jerusalem and day of the construction of the 3rd Temple of Solomon


    John 2:19-21 - King James Version (KJV)

    19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
    20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
    21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


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    Shiloh Za-Rah - Posted Aug 7th

    Chaldean Christian leader: ISIS 'Systematically Beheading' Children In Iraq

    By Eric Chen (news@gospelherald.com) Aug 06, 2014 08:52 PM EDT


    A prominent Christian leader of the Chaldean community unveiled the "systematic beheading of children" and other horrendous crimes committed by ISIS. He said that the Sunni extremists are committing genocide against Christians in Iraq and with the aim to instill the Sharia Law as the law of the land.
    In the interview with CNN's Jonathan Mann, Chaldean-American businessman Mark Arabo said that the "world hasn't seen an evil like this for generations."
    "There is a park in Mosul, where [ISIS] they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick and have them in the park," he explained. "More children are getting beheaded, mothers are getting raped and killed, and fathers are being hung."
    Speaking from San Diego over Skype, Arabo called for the international community to offer asylum to the more than 300,000 Christians fleeing and living in neighboring cities.

    isis-beheading-children.

    At a meeting in the White House last week, he said the Chaldean-American leaders and the political leaders are saying that the world should come together to stop these crimes against humanity and help alleviate the sufferings of the Iraqi people.
    "The world hasn't seen this kind of atrocity in generations," he said. "This is a crime against humanity. This is much broader than a community or a state. This is crime against humanity. They are doing the most horrendous, the most heart-breaking crimes that you can think of."
    When asked about Sunni extremists' targeting of Christians, Arabo said that around 95 percent of Christians have fled, five percent have converted. Also, the ISIS have marked the death stamps on Christian homes, so whoever returns will get killed.
    "Christian holocaust is in our midst," he said. "This should never be happening in 2014."
    Just last week, the ISIS bombed a church that was 1,800 years old, and have bombed 6 churches so far.
    While France is leading the way in offering asylum, Arabo is calling on the US and the United Nations to recognnize that this is a genocide and do more to address this crisis.
    "This living nightmare is not going away," he said, "but it is only getting worse."
    "The world cannot turn a blind eye."

    - See more at: http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/52128/20140806/chaldean-christian-leader-isis-systematically-beheading-children-in-iraq.htm

    Joseph Al-Qaeda@JihadistJoe
    jihadist.


    Did you infidels know that when we hack your head off, it's our way of preventing your suffering & blessing you?

    burnsztiyael9fz.


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    The Chaldean Persian King of 538BC, 'liberating' the 'Babylonian Captives Is-Ra-El' is Cyrus the Great.
    The localised 'Is-Ra-El' of 600BC has become the global 'Is-Ra-El' and cosmic family of the World-Twin-Logos.








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    cyrus.


    [10:31:58 AM- Friday, August 8th, 2014 +10UCT] honeybee: the violence is the lashing out, of the lack of recognition within. they want to smash this mirror physically which was lacking within it is a feedback loop; it will continue until the momentum is enough to turn inside out - thanks tony

    [10:43:29 AM] Shiloh: This might well be so, but the violence against the status quo is NOT justified, when it engages the innocents like children and the defenceless ones
    [10:44:04 AM] Shiloh: If you choose to live by the 'sword' you will die by it and this is not the hallmark of an advanced cosmic civilization
    [10:44:55 AM] Shiloh: And Sword means Words decoded, so whatever physical things manifest themselves, they all have metaphysical ergo abstract mental precursors



    Matthew 5:9 - KJV
    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.


    Revelation 13:10 - King James Version (KJV)
    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.



    Matthew 24:35
    Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


    Mark 8:38
    Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.


    John 12:48
    He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.



    [10:46:48 AM] Shiloh: Jihad bullshi20 and fantasy 'role playings' in the name of allah and other semantic wordgames are not inducive to this call for 'peace makers'

    [10:49:05 AM] Shiloh: Now remember that the 'sword' are words also
    [10:49:22 AM] Shiloh: The words you speak shall judge you cosmically
    [10:50:47 AM] Shiloh: [10:34 AM] honeybee:<<< it will continue until the momentum is enough to turn inside out

    This momentum cannot be reversed. It must fulfil its polarisation potential and only a superior outside agency, not answerable to ANY human minded system can do so
    [10:52:46 AM] Shiloh: So you will not find any solution on this human planet, which can effectively 'change this forlorn and puerile human mentality' into something enabled to leave this planetary environment
    [10:54:05 AM] Shiloh: many realise, that it is not general Islam, which has become the toxic cancer for the human group consciousness, but the factions within Islam.
    [10:56:35 AM] Shiloh: But just as evidenced in Gaza; the defenceless Palestinians still support Hamas, which is a 'extremist islamist faction', which finds it acceptable, due to their 'understanding of their holy book', to sacrifice the innocent to pursue a deeper more abominable agenda, namely to manifest their hatred for the occupiers. They effectively search for 'international sympathy' in a victim mentality, which atrociously uses their 'sacrifices for the final outcome' to fight their wars against their suppressors

    [10:58:31 AM] Shiloh: This might show you, that unless the religions et all, are replaced by a cosmic 'perennial philosophy'; the religious-spiritual-memeplexed momentum towards planetary war and ideological violence will continue and intensify with more and more groups and nations becoming engaged
    [10:59:55 AM] Shiloh: The nabsers talk about WW3, but this WW3 has been in effect since the late 1990s, with 9/11 just one of many dramatic cornerstones and nexus points
    [11:01:11 AM] Shiloh: The ptb do not desire an all out WW3 say in the vein of WW1 and WW2; because their 'socio-economic' empire is built on fiscal markets and 'currency manipulations'
    [11:01:50 AM] Shiloh: But they support localised wars, as can now be witnessed by anyone with a quarter of a brain.
    [11:03:37 AM] Shiloh: Unfortunately, the mainstream manipulation of the human group-think has reached a point of 'no return' so 20 years ago and so the only solution will be a 'peaceful takeover' of the global systems with advanced technology and science
    [11:05:51 AM] Shiloh: This 'invasion' of Earth will not be by some aliens, but by a very small core of human elders, who have evolved AS Terrestrial ETs and are in possession of the nous and information required to guide and steer the planetary Titanic onto more cohesive and fruitful avenues. The 'real ETs' have formed a partnership with those 'elders' as an inside-outside communication

    [11:14:27 AM] honeybee: hmmm
    [11:26:31 AM] Shiloh: In a cosmic analysis, there is little difference between the Israeli warmongers and the Arab warmongers. Both have their 'support groups' in terms of the overall human created devil, called war-violence-fiscal idolatry-economic worship of so called progress etc etc
    [11:28:38 AM] Shiloh: The Israelis are 'supplied' by the West and the Arab oil moguls supply the Israeli haters; both as obnoxious as each other and based on erroneous 'reading' of their 'holy books', namely the Abraham-Ishmael-Isaac birthright archetype
    [11:29:16 AM] Shiloh: They fail to understand that every incarnate man is Abraham (and Adam and Noah and Jacob-Israel) and that there are NO infidels, nor goyim
    [11:30:19 AM] Shiloh:


    Isaiah 41:8
    But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

    [11:30:39 AM] Shiloh: Those are the words of Abba NOT of Jehovah aka Allah
    [11:30:55 AM] honeybee: plowshares
    [11:31:36 AM] Shiloh: Indeed! Have you ever wondered how such a quotation can be composed by 'desert nomads' of 700BC?
    [11:32:06 AM] Shiloh: When the OT describes a violent and uncompromising environment, both mental and physical?
    [11:33:49 AM] Shiloh: How would some 'scribe' think up such an utopian concept, more akin to Thomas More of the 16th century and later poets and authors?

    [11:33:54 AM] Shiloh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia
    [11:36:33 AM] Shiloh:


    Isaiah 2:2-4 - King James Version (KJV)
    2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
    3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
    4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


    Isaiah 60:7-9 - King James Version (KJV)
    7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
    8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
    9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.


    [11:38:43 AM] Shiloh: So there you can see where the 'Earth Invaders' will come from, if you have the mind to see and hear and are not blinded by the 'veil of evil' represented by those 'codes' as a hindrance to the flippant and the mentally naive and the vain in their ignorances and hypocrisies, both in heart and in mind
    [11:40:05 AM] Shiloh: Many are 'put off' by scripture codes from a platform of 'religious distastes' and the 'stealing' or misappropriation of those words throughout recorded history
    [11:41:29 AM] Shiloh: But as you know, there is a deeper meaning and purpose to this and the 'global apostasy' was planned by the same authors as a safeguard, who wrote those 'mysterious and unhuman minded like' codes like Isaiah.2

    [11:42:33 AM] Shiloh:

    Isaiah 11:7-9 - King James Version (KJV)
    7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
    8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
    9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

    [11:43:01 AM] Shiloh: If you desire further 'proof', just consider this 'saying', also from Isaiah.
    [11:45:56 AM] Shiloh: The same Torah-OT describes the wanton killing of whatever lifeform, including woman and children (it means killing by Words aka the reencoding after a correct decoding of course and is not literal, except in exoteric literalism as engaged in by most 'experts', authorities and laymen alike), but here seems to show a future utopian 'world of peace', even between the 'wild animals' (which as you might also remember are ALL ETs)
    [11:46:42 AM] Shiloh: I give you a little decoding key to this.
    [11:47:08 AM] Shiloh: Figure out what a 'Cockatrice' is and how this creature relates to the Cosmic Dragonhood
    [11:52:12 AM] honeybee: out of the serpents root? and: the eagle and the serpent
    [11:58:04 AM] Shiloh: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5353p60-conversations-regarding-the-cosmic-changes-in-archetypes-and-symbols#105356

    [11:58:49 AM] Shiloh: There is a beautiful 'prophecy' about this in Ezekiel
    [11:59:10 AM] Shiloh: Yes the AbramSarai code as Maria Basra and the 'Devil's Egg-Testicle'
    [12:01:33 PM] miii: aphrodite
    [12:02:20 PM] Shiloh: No have you not seen this parable?
    [12:03:10 PM] honeybee: sorry tony. i tend to type out my thoughts directly into the text box. i have seen the prophecy you refer to. . i was referring to something else i read today of aphrodite, some how i recognize it within what you just said.
    [12:03:42 PM] Shiloh:


    Ezekiel 17 - King James Version (KJV)

    1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
    2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
    3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
    4 He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.
    5 He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.
    6 And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.
    7 There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.
    8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine.
    9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord God; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.
    10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew.
    11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
    12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;
    13 And hath taken of the king's seed, and made a covenant with him, and hath taken an oath of him: he hath also taken the mighty of the land:
    14 That the kingdom might be base, that it might not lift itself up, but that by keeping of his covenant it might stand.
    15 But he rebelled against him in sending his ambassadors into Egypt, that they might give him horses and much people. Shall he prosper? shall he escape that doeth such things? or shall he break the covenant, and be delivered?
    16 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely in the place where the king dwelleth that made him king, whose oath he despised, and whose covenant he brake, even with him in the midst of Babylon he shall die.
    17 Neither shall Pharaoh with his mighty army and great company make for him in the war, by casting up mounts, and building forts, to cut off many persons:
    18 Seeing he despised the oath by breaking the covenant, when, lo, he had given his hand, and hath done all these things, he shall not escape.
    19 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; As I live, surely mine oath that he hath despised, and my covenant that he hath broken, even it will I recompense upon his own head.
    20 And I will spread my net upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare, and I will bring him to Babylon, and will plead with him there for his trespass that he hath trespassed against me.
    21 And all his fugitives with all his bands shall fall by the sword, and they that remain shall be scattered toward all winds: and ye shall know that I the Lord have spoken it.
    22 Thus saith the Lord God; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:
    23 In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.
    24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I the Lord have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the Lord have spoken and have done it.


    Logan Antico: "Yes, we indeed have lifted the veil on the 'Mystery of God', as proclaimed in John's 'Book of the Revelation' in the biblical scrolls, say as encoded in Revelation.10.7.
    The modular duality of the supermembranes has many analogies in science and in mythology.
    One famous one is the riddle about the chicken and the egg.

    What came first, the chicken or the egg?
    If the chicken, then it lays the egg as a hen and if the egg, then the chicken hatches from it.

    But it is no paradox in omniscience!

    In quantum relativity, one is relative to to other and so it is like the Father can be his own Father, but needs a Mother to give birth to himself and corollarily; the Mother can be her own Mother, but requires a Father to create herself.
    So the sperm of the Father is like the DNA, a genetic library, which cannot become an expression from that database without finding an ovum in which it can become a Father like the RNA.

    This is the reason behind the mechanics of messengerDNA encoding DNA, which transcribes messengerRNA encoding RNA, which then transcribes Amino Acids to construct the morphology for the bodies from the sperm based genetic library.
    So in other words; the sperm can be the sperm as the chicken, but not much else and the ovum can be the ovum as the egg, but not much else - yet bringing the two together creates the potential to become a great many things."


    Robert Sceptico: "There is a quaint story in mythology, which tries to reconstruct this omniscience, Logan.


    "There once was this male old devil, who lost one of his balls, one of his testicles.
    The testicular egg fell upon the earth and landed in a swamp, where Maria Basra, the old hagtoad found it and sat upon it to hatch it.
    When the time was ripe, a Cockatrice came out of the egg, with a serpent's tail and the head of a rooster.
    The Cockatrice, being the offspring of the old devil, and knowing that it had fallen to earth by misadventure, sought for a way to return into the kingdom of its father, but couldn't find one.

    So the Cockatrice became very frustrated with its existence and when it had grown bigger, it ate its own adopted mother in the old hagtoad Maria Basra.

    But then something strange happened to the body of the Cockatrice; it started to divide into two.
    The headpart grew a tail and the tailpart grew a head and the headpart became a hen out of the rooster's head and the tailpart became a rooster out of the serpent's tail.

    And so were the first rooster and hen born from the Cockatrician testicle of the old devil and the old hagtoad Maria Basra."



    But there is a coded twist to the moral of that fabled story Logan.
    An anagram for MARIA BASRA is ABRAM SARAI, the ancestor for the starhuman race in three of the major worldwide religions.
    Islam, Judaism and Christianity; all consider Abram and Sarai, later renamed from their human identities as Abraham and Sarah in their starhuman potential, as the beginning in their genealogies, their lineages written in blood.

    So the gnostic interpretation of the myth is that half of the creator got lost in its creation and that is symbolised by the testicular egg.
    Then the big old creation, which is lost in itself as a female principle, nurtures something new in the form of the old hagtoad hatching the little old creation into a little new creation.
    This little new creation is however unable to become a big new creation, because it desires to become the big old creation in whom it already finds itself and so is already part of.

    It tries to eat the big old creation to become the same, but in the process it metamorphoses and becomes an ancestor for the big new creation, just as told in the story of Abraham and Sarah in the scroll of the Genesis.

    So the creation of Abraham and Sarah in a renaming of the old, is like a prototypical 'heavenly wedding', later manifesting in their descendants of the sondaughters as the bridegrooms and in the daughtersons as the brides in the dragonomies of the 'New Jerusalem' and as coded in the scroll of 'John's Revelation'.

    The joining of Abraham and Sarah in Mind and in Body, to become Two, but being One, then brings the lost devil's egg back to god's serpentine sperm in a w(holly) unitary symmetry of a dragonomy."

    Logan Antico: "Yes, and everyone alive today carries the genetic inheritance of this 'starseed'; we should know as initiates into the ancient mysteries of Mesopotamia, the socalled 'cradle for this civilisation."

    Robert Sceptico: "Indeed, this obsession with their bloodlines, which some people experience has its origins in the seeding of the starhuman race in the House of Azurguya, and as coded in diluted fashion in the Genesis scroll and the story of Abram of Ur, marrying his halfsister Sarai of Terah's patriarchy.

    But you studied that encoding some time ago, perhaps you can use your number-letter code to shed some light on the relevance of the old Mesopotamian beginnings."​


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    [12:24:42 PM] honeybee: vie seen that symbol

    [1:24:34 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AediQLpoGGM#t=19 (above)

    [1:27:05 PM] Shiloh: Viewing this and paying attention to the time markers, you can discern the actual timeline for the 'endtimes' in the form published by the Thuban data sources and related to an unprecedented decoding of the 'codes', historically unique, but required to bring about the 'end of the old memeplexed world' through the means addressed in the messages or (warnings to prepare).
    You might realise rather quickly, that the western mainstream media does not seem very interested to bring the 'scenes' in this video and broadcast by 'Arab TV channels' into the public arena for discernment for 'fear' of removing the mental complacency of the 'glorified consumer' with respect to its material 'goods' and cultural values of a projected and fostered participatory democracy.
    If you can harbour such discernments, then you might also become aware of the necessity of those 'decodings' to provide a balance to the 'religion-ideology wars' having now become unavoidable.
    In a rather self castrating manner, the western 'power brokers' have sold out to their own hypocritical 'know it betters' and political correctness agendas, which is human cowardice at best. One of the most hideous 'projections' of the western mainstream media say, is its reluctance to call this islamist jihad agenda for what it is, but attempting to 'not offend' those 'spiritual perverts' as not to cause them to commit violence against the 'western interests', mainly based on material greed, and fiscal dominance and agenda controls.
    This timeline of the 'cosmic reformation metaphysical', so spans from so 1995 into the 2 decades ending in 2015 and a timeframe which will allow the human collective groupmind to choose new directions after those 20-30 years and after it has fully experienced its own ignorance and erroneous beliefs in its dream of material prosperity and 'progress' without consideration of the maturity of its cultural memeplex and metaphysical-spiritual underpinnings, required to be and do so.
    Many term this 'spiritual maturity, but remain unawares that this 'nous of the spirit' demands more than adherence to gurus and 'belief systems' as taught and propagated by mainstream 'authorities' or experts and nabs 'wanna bes' alike.

    The 'New World' exists already on this planet Gaia, but is 'hidden' in the hearts and understanding of a handful of true elders of the old human genus, strewn and obscured in all corners of the globe.
    But it is this understanding - knowledge alone is insufficient - call it a wisdom of the Earth of sorts, which 'qualifies' such 'old ones' for the long awaited and expected 'contact'.

    As there are so 7,200 million incarnates 'old humans' on this planet in 2014 and as each one of the 'self elected elders' must harbour a cosmic wisdom encoded as 144,000 'chosen ones'; you can easily count the number of those real 'wisdom keepers'
    7.2 billion/144,000 = 50,000
    It is them, who will be called to become the 'changing of the guard and stewardship' upon this planet of the humans.
    The 'administration' of this, will however be required to follow a certain 'cosmic legislature' and so will be responsible to a kind of cosmic jurisprudence and an 'oversight' rather alien to human mindedness, as known, experienced and propagated by the 'powers that be' at the present time.
    And those 'ptbs' include mainstream and alternative information diseminators and are NOT subject to human interpretations of lawfulness and morality etc.

    This might show the 'discerned observer' just what the 'mental' qualifications entail to be called a 'cosmic wisdom keeper' in contrast to what might be labeled a 'Homo sapiens sapiens' or 'Wise Wisdom Man' in the commonality of the expressions.
    It are 'cosmic wisdom keepers' who will be charged with responsibility for a new paradigm and not human minded ones.
    The cosmic auspices will then enable a particular hybridisation of the 'human elders' with the 'ET elders' to bring about the long foreseen 'New Heaven and New Earth' under this 'invasion of the old by the new'. There will be no 'alien takeover' as such, but a presentation of a 'new cosmic reality', both in cultural-civilized and in scientific terminologies and 'communication codes'.
    The origin of the 'new cosmic species' is both from within and from without the planetary cocoon called 'Gaia'. It was necessitated, that the 'inner earth' with its location specific impedance field, allowed the disincarnate ET elderness to co-evolve with its 'surface earth' incarnate morphic offspring.
    The 'surface dwellers' so could form a mirror species for the 'inner 3rd generation' and the 'outer 1st generation' as a 2nd generation.
    1st generation is higher dimensional and so has no physical bodyform, but the 3rd generation can mutate in a direct affinity with the 2nd generation. The 2nd generation includes ALL lifeforms, including fauna and flora and the mineral-crystalline forms of cosmic consciousness carriers.

    By October 11th, 2014 a necessary rewriting and editing of a particular 'Genesis script' will become finalised.
    This 'new script' will then be utilized by the 1st generation to begin preparation for the 'invasion of the Elder-truth' and the dismantling of the old human mind controlled 'stewardship' of the Earth by a method of re-integration.
    This re-integration will take the form of re-education for a mentally evolving old 'human elderness' in affinities and acclimatizations. Re-educated 'associates' will then reform the politico-cultural systems of Earth in the known avenues of the present politico-economic systems of self-control and self-governances.
    The 'overseers' will, for the most part remain inaccessible to the re-educated old humans, but will be known to provide a certain form of auspicious presence, say in a particular display of cosmic science and endeavour.
    The 'new playwright script-manual' then will become 'physicalized' in the 'making of a 4-dimensional' 'play' or movie in a reconfigured 'Reality Matrix' of perception and sensual experiences.

    When a 'first premier showing' of this 'new film' has been shown to a global audience, then the directors and producers and actors in this Present-ation will allow the audience to assume new roles as actors and directors and producers, provided the audiencers have gained the cosmic wisdom necessary to engage in such roles of cosmic responsibility.
    To witness and testify the Cosmic Serpent-ation will so become a prerequisite to participate in the 'New World' in honour and wisdom and understanding as regarding the purpose and causation of the cosmic transformation of a planetary civilization attaining its 'wings of cosmic flight' in a global understanding graduating towards its cosmic succession in the Cosmic Present.
    [4:40:29 PM] Hades 88:
    here some more for the division:
    Why Aren't ISIS and Al-Qaeda Attacking Israel?
    http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/why-arent-isis-and-al-qaeda-attacking.html#!byznNe

    In 2010 Syria offered to partner with US to fight groups like ISIS; US armed them instead
    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10DAMASCUS159_a.html#efmBraBr6BsHB6RB6UCDN

    US docs show the secret birth of Hamas; how Israel let Hamas grow while cracking down on the secular PLO
    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/88JERUSALEM3168_a.html#efmA8dA9H

    US cables show how Israel facilitated birth of HAMAS inorder to marginalise the PLO:
    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/88JERUSALEM3168_a.html#efmDRFDi0

    Israel secretly told US of its "Dahiya Doctrine" - deliberate targeting of civilian areas
    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2329_a.html#efmBOyBhT

    Israel admitted to using Palestinians as human shields on more than 1,200 occasions
    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09TELAVIV1694_a.html#efmAn8Axu

    Ban Ki-moon secretly worked with Israel to undermine UN report into Gaza war crimes
    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09USUNNEWYORK460_a.html#efmAXKA0M
    [4:45:00 PM] Hades 88: seems when it comes to radicalization be it of islam or anything else, one has to go and look at the good ol ju es of ej and the flow of money
    [4:50:41 PM] Hades 88:
    ameriške pičke - one nation under god to divide all other nations due to their different god
    [4:53:11 PM] Hades 88: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg
    [4:56:35 PM] Hades 88: I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

    http://youtu.be/2G551KpNnA0

    [4:59:35 PM] Shiloh: The UN is as impotent as its 'agenda for world peace' 'authorized' by the IMF etc. What is your point here? To point the finger at the USA? Who has not realised by now, that the 'political west' is the 'modern pharisee and hypocrite' of 2 millennia ago? Nevertheless, the 'weak minded west' does not go onto rampages blowing up ancient monuments and historical sites out of pure blooded hatred for some imbecilic ideology of some fake god and some fake prophet to that god
    [5:01:08 PM] Shiloh: As said above ALL fake religion must 'go extinct' in a new world and become replaced by sound philosophy based on reason, historical nous and good old science
    [5:02:34 PM] Shiloh: Even the jihadi idiots know the value of some of the 'booty' they know of and they do use the 'universal religion' of science to make 'some money' on the black markets for the things they steal
    [5:04:59 PM] Shiloh: If you look at this video and see a 3-year old little girl 'hating jews and the west' and preferring to play with guns in preference to dolls, then you might exerience some realism as to what a culture built on hatred can do for the generations - now manifesting since the end of WW2 in a more potent form, than western hatred ever could envisage.
    [5:06:26 PM] Shiloh: Nazi germany had a 'Führer' subject to assassination; this new form of fascism has an unknowable allah god as its leader. So who can get 'rid' of this abomination?
    [5:07:32 PM] Sirius 17: that video was surreal
    [5:07:49 PM] Shiloh: Unbelievable actually. You saw those kids?
    [5:07:54 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:08:04 PM] Shiloh: No excuses possible!
    [5:08:17 PM] Sirius 17: I am floored, the indoctrination has been going on for many many years for it to reach this level
    [5:08:45 PM] Shiloh: Of course the UN and the US know of this. So why is this hidden from the public in the west?
    [5:08:48 PM] Sirius 17: they are spellbound by an ideology of death
    [5:09:04 PM] Sirius 17: good question
    [5:09:16 PM] Shiloh: I concur with Rok regarding the west; but from a different perspective.
    [5:09:29 PM] Sirius 17: it shouldn't be hidden
    [5:09:30 PM] Shiloh: Why is this not on mainstream TV?
    [5:09:35 PM] Sirius 17: exactly
    [5:09:49 PM] Sirius 17: there must be some underlying monitary reason
    [5:09:57 PM] Shiloh: Pointing fingers at the warmongers on either side will change nothing.
    [5:10:16 PM] Sirius 17: it is fiscal suicide I would guess since the west has so much money invested in the oil fields
    [5:10:26 PM] Shiloh: No, it is simply like the ufo cover-up. We dont want to 'disturb' the slumber of the masses.
    [5:10:37 PM] Sirius 17: yes what I mean
    [5:10:47 PM] Sirius 17: they want people blindly consuming
    [5:10:52 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [5:11:00 PM] Sirius 17: not fearful of radical Islam
    [5:11:01 PM] Shiloh: But of course they know
    [5:11:21 PM] Shiloh: It is criminal, they do not broadcast this
    [5:11:46 PM] Sirius 17: of course they do, they created this monster in a way by manipulating them with carrot sticks of weapons and money
    [5:12:03 PM] Sirius 17: it is
    [5:12:13 PM] Shiloh: Just today, here in Oz, they have created new 'anti terrorism' legislations for Oz jihadis wishing to come back etc.
    [5:12:21 PM] Shiloh: But it is all too little too late
    [5:12:42 PM] Shiloh: people here think it is some minor problem of overseas terrorism groups
    [5:12:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes they don't realize how close to 'home' it really is
    [5:13:11 PM] Shiloh: Of course, the 'rebels' were bought, but this is now back firing
    [5:13:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes they realize now they can't buy an army
    [5:14:26 PM] Shiloh: Afghanistan say, first 'supplied' by the USa sponsoring the taliban against the Russians and then as the Taliban took over the 'friend' turned 'enemy'
    [5:15:02 PM] Shiloh: The US sponsored the same 'terrorists' they now are beginning to fear
    [5:15:30 PM] Sirius 17: it sickens me that they just stand by and allow this ISIS group to take over most of the middle east though. It makes me wonder what the wests agenda is? Allow this radical group to kill everyone and take over the whole middle east and then what?
    [5:15:34 PM] Shiloh: But it is much more now, then a 'commercial agenda', even including oil
    [5:15:50 PM] Shiloh: Did you not hear Obama today?
    [5:16:00 PM] Sirius 17: no I have not been watching the news
    [5:16:33 PM] Shiloh: He is dropping supplies in Northern Iraq, because of the all out slaughter of the Christians and the non islamist places etc
    [5:16:56 PM] Shiloh: Meaning that there will be military action against Isis
    [5:17:36 PM] Shiloh: But it is too late. Even destroying Isis will only enhance this 'holy war'
    [5:18:29 PM] Shiloh: But you might see, that the west will have to act with force now, as the islamist agenda cannot be obscured any longer
    [5:19:03 PM] Sirius 17: oh I see the headlines, said he authorized air strikes and humanitarian aid
    [5:19:05 PM] Shiloh: And moronic nabsers 'hate Jesus' and xtianity
    [5:19:36 PM] Shiloh: Unawares where the real fundamentalist abomination resides
    [5:19:37 PM] Sirius 17: yes it will escalate things tremendously
    [5:19:44 PM] Shiloh: Of course
    [5:20:23 PM] Sirius 17: yes they can't hide what that video so clearly portrays
    [5:20:32 PM] Sirius 17: its all out in the open now
    [5:21:06 PM] Shiloh: The trouble with the 'modern muslims' is, that they generally support the hamas and Hezbollah etc militant factions and so will not be able to provide a balanced view in terms of religious ideology
    [5:21:33 PM] Sirius 17: I have to wonder why that video isn't running on the major news networks. Instead we have CNN doing a 2 month long expose of the 60s BS
    [5:21:58 PM] Shiloh: Modern Xtianity is a noshow for the last 20 years or so and so the 'skeptics' are looking at all the wrong places
    [5:22:15 PM] Sirius 17: yes well the 'modern muslims' are also caught in their crosshairs, afraid to say much or do much
    [5:22:56 PM] Shiloh: If someone would be outside your window screaming "I hate this street in seattle and will blow it up"; would not the residents in this street be a little concerned?
    [5:23:28 PM] Shiloh: But the islamists can do this in the climate of political correctness and multi-culturalisms
    [5:23:30 PM] Sirius 17: [5:18 PM] Shiloh: <<< And moronic nabsers 'hate Jesus' and xtianity
    Unawares where the real fundamentalist abomination resides
    this is so true, slight of hand trick by the globalists pushing secularism

    [5:24:12 PM] Shiloh: They do not even know what emotional fires they are fiddling with
    [5:24:39 PM] Sirius 17: omg if any rational being saw that video and how they were chanting death to the American's death to Israel by the hundreds of thousands, umm yeah they would be freaking the fuck out
    [5:24:57 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [5:25:05 PM] Sirius 17: Israel knows
    [5:25:08 PM] Sirius 17: they are not stupid
    [5:25:21 PM] Sirius 17: they have been fighting them for years
    [5:25:31 PM] Shiloh: I made a fuss, because this surprised even me; but showed how deluded the mainstream populace in the west has become
    [5:26:09 PM] Sirius 17: but America is so distanced from the rest of the world that really most people are seriously out of touch with what goes on in the rest of the world here.
    [5:26:17 PM] Sirius 17: oh no doubt
    [5:26:50 PM] Sirius 17: to hear that 3 year old talk like that
    [5:26:52 PM] Shiloh: Yes, but they too are 'guilty' from not openly presenting the facts. Just saying that Hamas is using its own children as cannon fodder is not enough
    [5:27:07 PM] Sirius 17: that is true fascism if I ever saw it
    [5:27:31 PM] Shiloh: There are no excuses of targeting civilians, even if used as 'human shields' or not. You do not 'shoot' then, period!
    [5:27:48 PM] Shiloh: Nazi Germany tenfold indeed
    [5:28:23 PM] Sirius 17: no they are treading lightly because of the political correctness as you pointed out and the video pointed out. They don't want to 'offend' anyone , but it is really a travesty beyond imagination that this is not in the MSN
    [5:29:35 PM] Shiloh: It is necessary as I stated in my address. The polarisation requires a dumbed down human mentality to see its own ignorance mirrored back to itself
    [5:30:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes, its most base self physically realised
    [5:30:28 PM] Shiloh: Only this way, will allow the cosmic witnesses to act as a required 'stewardhood'
    [5:32:16 PM] Shiloh: But can you envision the mentality of those children?
    [5:32:36 PM] Shiloh: This is what will be decisive.
    [5:33:35 PM] Shiloh: Because this is a mentality of whatever 'devil' any human belief and co-creator system has made manifest
    [5:33:55 PM] Shiloh: This is mindwar not physicality war like WW1 and WW2
    [5:34:02 PM] Sirius 17: its heinous and breaks my heart
    [5:34:13 PM] Shiloh: And because of this the cosmos will have to intervene
    [5:34:17 PM] Sirius 17: those children have been robbed
    [5:34:32 PM] Shiloh: Exactly of their lives, whilst being alive
    [5:35:01 PM] Shiloh: And this cannot be cosmically alllowed as 'evolution of the human mind'
    [5:35:24 PM] Shiloh: No 'free will' or self determination in this, now is it?
    [5:35:32 PM] Sirius 17: no it is devolution if there is a word for it
    [5:35:44 PM] Sirius 17: it is pathetic
    [5:35:49 PM] Shiloh: The word is Mental Armageddon!
    [5:36:53 PM] Shiloh: So the 'free thinkers' sitting in their arm chairs and analysing whatsoever, mainstream or alternative should realise their priviledges and freedom of doing so.
    [5:37:16 PM] Shiloh: The Arab 3-year old does not have this freedom of expression or 'liberty'
    [5:38:20 PM] Sirius 17: exactly
    [5:38:29 PM] Shiloh: The Nazi abomination lasted 12 years in open civil expression. This islamist crap has intensified in the last 20 years or so
    [5:38:48 PM] Sirius 17: this was made clear in the video, how precious the right to speak freely is
    [5:38:50 PM] Shiloh: How long can the cosmic intelligence bear this?
    [5:39:09 PM] Shiloh: What is this cosmic sentience waiting for?
    [5:39:19 PM] Shiloh: We know the answer to that question.
    [5:40:01 PM] Sirius 17: not enough people as you said have an understanding and nous of what is really going on
    [5:40:12 PM] Sirius 17: as Les Visible says, for purposes of demonstration
    [5:40:20 PM] Sirius 17: this is allowed to continue
    [5:40:42 PM] Sirius 17: until everyone gets it through their thick skulls of how not to be
    [5:41:19 PM] Shiloh: This is so, although I would disagree with LV's conclusions and final outcomes regarding this
    [5:42:52 PM] Sirius 17: yes he is right on many things but offbase in his nous




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    [1:46:54 PM - Saturday, August 8th, 2014] Shiloh: [1:18:39 PM] raxnae: what do you think of the illuminists creation myth?

    [1:36:36 PM] Shiloh:

    Mike Hockney

    Publisher info

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    Pythagorean Illuminism, the religion of the Illuminati, formally began with the ancient Greek mystic and mathematician Pythagoras and is the world's only "Logos" religion i.e. a rational religion founded on reason, mathematics, science and philosophy. It has no connection with "Mythos" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam which are based on faith, superstition, irrationality, stories, parables, myths, legends and "divine revelation". These religions are wholly false.

    Illumination is the only true religion. It's the Grand Unified Theory of Everything, linking science, religion, psychology, philosophy and even the paranormal. It does so via the sole medium of truth and absolute knowledge: mathematics, which Pythagoras declared the arche, the fundamental substance of existence. Ontology and epistemology are finally united in the doctrine of "living mathematics". Mathematics is not a reflection or model of reality. Mathematics IS reality.

    Whereas science is based on "mathematical materialism", Illumination uses Leibnizian "mathematical idealism". These are the only two possible accounts of reality. All other systems are bogus, worthless and pernicious.

    In order to follow the one, true religion, you must be smart. Quite simply, the truth is not for everyone. The truth is a function of reason, not faith. All atheists, agnostics, skeptics and cynics will find a spiritual home within Illuminism. They are most welcome. "Believers" are not.

    The Pythagorean Illuminati are the sworn enemies of Abrahamism (the deranged belief system that God would order fathers to kill their children), privileged elites and the infantile legions of conspiracy theorists. Do not read our books if you would be prepared to murder your child if "God" ordered it, or if you believe in shape-shifting lizards. Only seekers of true enlightenment will profit from reading our work.

    *************

    Imagine a camera that takes pictures of the human soul. Imagine it could detect how good or evil you are. Imagine it could analyze every aspect of your personality. Imagine it could tell you how many times you have been reincarnated. Imagine it could tell you how close you are to achieving gnosis and becoming GOD!

    Imagine that a real secret society already possesses such a camera, which operates in accordance with the inviolable, fundamental principles of the cosmos - six-dimensional mathematical idealism (as opposed to the bogus 11-dimensional mathematical materialism of contemporary science based on "M-theory").

    The Paradigm Shift is coming. Humanity is about to enter its divine phase.

    The Soul Camera, The Illuminated Soul, The Book of the Dead, The God Portal: due at the end of 2013.

    Mike Hockney, Michael Faust and Adam Weishaupt.

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    [1:38:05 PM] Shiloh: Much of this is VERY GOOD work and insight raxnae. The statement about God, the true and only possible 'god' having to be related intrinsically to codes and 'Pure Mathematics' akin the dream of the Pythagoreans is 100% correct.
    [1:39:02 PM] Shiloh: However Hockney and co DO NOT Understand what the LOGOS actually is and behind say the Abrahamic God is they so vehemently portray as some insanity creation of the human mind.
    [1:39:39 PM] raxnae: I found it amusing that I have told people that creation myth without actually knowing it from the source as well as having imagined my own creation myth scenario
    [1:39:41 PM] Shiloh: And yes, the Jehovah of the Old Testament-Torah etc is none other than a human mentality created memeplex and identical to the Allah of Islam.
    [1:40:38 PM] Shiloh: So again, the general thrust of this 'Armageddon Conspiracy and affiliations' movement is appropriate and its dismissal of human created 'religion' is as well.
    [1:44:30 PM] Shiloh: But Hockney and co have not succeeded to blend say Pythagorean Omniscience to the ultimate 'templates of creation' . Only the authority of the Cosmic Logos can do this. And as much of the mystery of this Logos is not found in the old alchemy manuals of either the ancient Greeks and Babylonians; nor the modern alchemies of Newton and Leibnitz, but in the 'mystical writings' of the New Testament and the 'words of the Secret Scrolls' (Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea Scrolls etc); the Hockney work paves the way and succeeds to harmonise the notion of 'universal spirituality' with 'hard nosed science', but fails to provide its ontological basis.
    [1:46:06 PM] Shiloh: This basis will be found in understanding the 'Creation Event' itself and BOTH in scientific hardcore and in its underpinning 'program', which can be termd the template or blueprint of data encodings.

    [1:47:38 PM] Shiloh:

    Pythagorean Illuminism, the religion of the Illuminati, formally began with the ancient Greek mystic and mathematician Pythagoras and is the world's only "Logos" religion i.e. a rational religion founded on reason, mathematics, science and philosophy. It has no connection with "Mythos" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam which are based on faith, superstition, irrationality, stories, parables, myths, legends and "divine revelation". These religions are wholly false.

    This is the problem see?
    [1:48:35 PM] Shiloh: He starts of so well and then collectivises all things 'religion' as some human insanity, which it mostly is.
    [1:48:46 PM] raxnae: does the thuban data explain the blueprint?
    [1:49:20 PM] Shiloh: The LOGOS is BOTH outside of space and time and within it and it is this which ALLOWS the universe to come into existence in the first instance
    [1:49:31 PM] Shiloh: Yes, it does this in many ways, both science based and in the actual rewriting and rewording of those 'secret scripture codes'.
    [1:49:50 PM] Shiloh: I have added you to the main chat, as this is of common interest
    [1:50:37 PM] Shiloh: Only in a spacetime independent manner can this selfsame space and time come itself into existence
    [1:50:51 PM] raxnae: whats the main chat called I can't find it

    [1:51:08 PM] Shiloh: Hockney's Logos IS just that and he knows it and describes it rather well and in an informed way
    [1:51:33 PM] Shiloh: The Rainbow Dragon
    [1:52:46 PM] raxnae: hmm i typed it in the search bar but it isn't pulling it up
    [1:54:15 PM] Shiloh: Islam most definitely fits his dismissal and taking the Torah/OT literal also fits this description. But the New Testament, despite its 'mythological overtures' does not, as it allows particular 'codes' to be rewritten and reinterpreted in just the rational and scientific manner Hockney espouses.
    [1:55:00 PM] raxnae: thanks for responding btw it gives me a better understanding
    [1:55:18 PM] Shiloh: The times will come, when even the literal reading of the NT will be fully understood as a preparation for a New New Third Testament or similar labellings
    [1:56:03 PM] Shiloh: You are in this chat and should be able to interact there, once it has loaded. Microsoft has Fuc11ed up skype in many ways
    [1:56:41 PM] raxnae: alright must be that
    [1:57:20 PM] Shiloh: Yes it has not loaded yet for you
    [2:01:55 PM] Shiloh: The 'death of God' is also sort of correct, but should be rewritten as a 'Doubling or twinning' of this God or Source
    [2:02:53 PM] Shiloh: Think of it as a ball splitting in two parts and then coming back together with each half-ball becoming a full ball. So 1 becomes 2 with all the initial information preserved.
    [2:03:19 PM] raxnae: sort of like regeneration?
    [2:03:24 PM] Shiloh: So it is not a 'death' but a doubling of the original Cosmic Identity
    [2:03:31 PM] Shiloh: Ah you here. Yes.
    [2:03:58 PM] Sirius 17: like meiosis and mitosis yes
    [2:04:16 PM] Shiloh: And it is this, which allows a physicality to exist as a mirror to its metaphysical or abstract or spiritual origins as an ontological cosmogony
    [2:04:52 PM] Sirius 17: hi rax
    [2:04:57 PM] raxnae: hello
    [2:04:58 PM] Shiloh: Yes Cellular Mitosis USES just this original source program to be and do what it is and does
    [2:05:27 PM] Shiloh: I looked for S. Gates on many forums, but could not find it Ju
    [2:05:38 PM] Shiloh: This is a key rax.
    [2:05:56 PM] raxnae: I see
    [2:06:07 PM] Shiloh: How cells divide. How do they know and what is the natural mechanics behind this process?
    [2:06:27 PM] Sirius 17: oh well, I know we did a post on this and I do remember him
    [2:07:09 PM] Shiloh: In Hockney-Pythagoreanism you can term this 'Mathematical Induction' or 'Recursivity', using nought but Integer definition to self generate
    [2:07:33 PM] Sunshine Pearl Vulpini: Hey you guys
    [2:07:46 PM] Sirius 17: hi Sunshine
    [2:08:26 PM] raxnae: the macro and micro are mirrored
    [2:09:07 PM] Shiloh: There MUST be some abstract 'program encoding pattern' in the nospacetime rax and from the metaphysics, which then, because a physical image universe-world exists, CAN then manifest something from that abstract encoding number pattern
    [2:09:50 PM] Shiloh: Biology is discovering things like that in the genome coupling, the epigenetics and the 'junk DNA' which now is misnamed
    [2:10:20 PM] Shiloh: The 'Junk dNA' is encoded and serves functionality
    [2:11:00 PM] Shiloh: The macro is both encompassing the micro and is also contained in the micro as fractal patterns
    [2:11:31 PM] raxnae: yes I've seen an image of that before
    [2:12:01 PM] Shiloh: For rational thinkers, the universe is not as mysterious and unknowable as many make it out to be
    [2:12:47 PM] Shiloh: This is what I like about the Hockney works, its rationality and recourse to 'hard work thinking'
    [2:13:30 PM] Shiloh: The truth is not for everyone in this timespace of the moment - it is not even for the many or some
    [2:13:35 PM] Shiloh: It is for very few
    [2:14:39 PM] Shiloh: You see, the Pythagoreans placed number at the center of the universe, but they did not dismiss 'creator source'
    [2:15:12 PM] Shiloh: Pythagoras is said to have said: "Man know thyself and you will know the universe and God!"
    [2:15:43 PM] Shiloh: So in his view, 'God' becomes the ultimate mathematician
    [2:16:16 PM] Shiloh: Now in Exodus.3.14, the 'Name of God' given to Moses is; I AM THAT I AM
    [2:16:28 PM] Shiloh: This anagrams as MATHIMATIA
    [2:16:42 PM] Shiloh: This is one of those 'hidden codes'
    [2:16:56 PM] raxnae: I never noticed the anagram in that
    [2:17:33 PM] Shiloh: Btw I looked at Hockney's take on Moses and the Exodus within the context of real Egyptian history and could find nothing amiss with it
    [2:18:14 PM] Shiloh: Moses did NOT exist and there was no biblical Exodus, BUT there was the Hyksos expulsion etc and Moses is part of the pharaohic names
    [2:18:58 PM] Shiloh: There is more to it
    [2:19:27 PM] Shiloh: If you study the so called Tetragrammaton and relate it to the Pentagrammaton you also find the 'secret codes' the ptb-illuminati utilizes so much in their buildings, constructions and rituals
    [2:20:01 PM] Shiloh: Because I Am (Mirror=That) I Am becomes asymmetric say like GOD|Mirror|GOD
    [2:20:32 PM] Shiloh: This is the infamous YaHWHe
    [2:20:37 PM] Shiloh: YHWH
    [2:20:49 PM] Shiloh: This is 4 tetra
    [2:20:54 PM] Shiloh: BUT
    [2:21:10 PM] Shiloh: Simply make the 'holy unspeakable name' symmetric
    [2:21:28 PM] Shiloh: I AM {THAT} AM I
    [2:21:43 PM] Shiloh: It becomes YaHWHeY
    [2:21:59 PM] Shiloh: 5 as penta YHWHY
    [2:22:27 PM] Shiloh: the male-male 'abomination' becomes GOD|DOG as male-female
    [2:22:52 PM] Shiloh: So the 'sin=ignorance of the male male' is MENTAL and not physical
    [2:23:14 PM] Shiloh: GOD as image REFUSES to be a GODDESS
    [2:23:22 PM] Shiloh: Simple decoding patterns like that and this then becomes the Adam-Eve mythology
    [2:24:05 PM] Shiloh: See now, how Hockney and co miss this?
    [2:24:23 PM] raxnae: yes
    [2:24:25 PM] Shiloh: They cannot see that there are 'hidden meanings' in the myths
    [2:24:49 PM] Shiloh: They dismiss this as literal interpretation, which is OBVIOUS nonsense
    [2:25:05 PM] Shiloh: Like Noah's flood and the parting of the Red Sea by Moses
    [2:29:05 PM] Shiloh: REFUSAL of the Image self is a minor code as LASUFER
    [2:29:38 PM] Shiloh: In English of course. In Latin-Greek it becomes Lucifere/Lucid/Lucifer


    Imagine that a real secret society already possesses such a camera, which operates in accordance with the inviolable, fundamental principles of the cosmos - six-dimensional mathematical idealism (as opposed to the bogus 11-dimensional mathematical materialism of contemporary science based on "M-theory").

    This is another 'letdown' of the Hockney cosmology. To critisize something as complex and as mathematically sound, such as M-Theory, one must know rather a bit about the foundation of such a model. And here then you see Hockney's (or whover wrote this statement) bias towards something he/she does not understand in a sufficient manner to comment on it in the way that he does.
    [2:58:05 PM] Shiloh: Here then it is scientific bias, more so then say 'scriptural-religious' bias.
    [3:00:19 PM] Shiloh: I know what he means though, as Hockney here tries to place some Pythagorean 'idealism' into the context of modern group theory/algebra. There are just 5 'Platonic Solids', considered by the Pythagoreans to be the 'perfect geometries', upon which the universe is constructed: Tetrahedron, Cube, Octahedron, Dodecahedron and Icosahedron.
    [3:00:43 PM] Shiloh: This then relates to 'less perfect' Archimedean geometric symmetries and the like.
    [3:02:29 PM] Shiloh: I am mentioning this, to point out how easy it is for really good models and theories to become 'polluted' by human mindedness and erroneous thinking in a mode of intellectual bias and 'preferences'.

    [3:30:15 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/Christ-the-Deceiver%281303408%29.htm
    [3:30:25 PM] Sirius 17:

    The whole story of Christ is absurd from beginning to end, and anyone who thinks carefully about the Trinity and the Incarnation quickly finds these concepts to be incomprehensible. Is the Trinity even compatible with monotheism? It is truly astounding that this religion has spread all across the face of the earth and has more followers than any other.

    The Illuminati will provide the shocking truth about Christ at a later date. The truth is connected with the "ultimate puppetmasters" who have been mentioned before on this site.

    [3:30:34 PM] Sirius 17: I found this Hockney guys website
    [3:32:04 PM] Shiloh: yes and I have commented just on his not beiung qualified to comment on things, he does not understand for lack of insight and data
    [3:32:45 PM] Shiloh: This is the irony and sadness of this.
    [3:33:44 PM] Shiloh: he got the Logos correct in its metaphysical link and relationship to physicality; but has blown his 'good work' apart with his hatred of organised politico-cultural religion
    [3:34:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes and apparently tossing Jesus out with the bathwater too
    [3:34:29 PM] Shiloh: This then disqualifies him and co from being true Logos testifiers, which the ancient Pythagoreans truly were
    [3:34:40 PM] Shiloh: Did you expect otherwise?
    [3:35:41 PM] Shiloh: Nevertheless and notwithstanding, I am supporting his model for the reason of providing a valid pathway from the skepticism and atheistic viewpoint into true 'Gnosis Scientia'.
    [3:36:35 PM] Shiloh: His comments on Islam are spot on, but he cant differentiate between a human minded 'prophet' Mohammed and a ET-Jesus
    [3:36:57 PM] Shiloh:

    As for Muslims, they sentenced an author to death for writing unflatteringly about Mohammed. They are trying to kill Scandinavian cartoonists who drew Mohammed in an unflattering light. While they are cutting off the heads of innocent victims they have kidnapped, or blowing up hi-jacked planes full of innocent people, or slaughtering innocent people in marketplaces, they shout Allah Akbar - God is Great! They are drenched in the blood of innocents.


    These fanatics are dangerous in the extreme. They are imprisoned in an infantile psychological mindset. They are demented children rather than grown-ups. The slightest provocation sends them into blind fury. They have a hair-trigger temper. They can never argue their case as intelligent, thoughtful advocates of their beliefs. They always resort to bombs, guns and swords. Their religions have been a curse on this world. They are an exact reflection of their master, the Demiurge.
    Step One of humanity's redemption is the destruction of the Abrahamic faiths that have held us back for so long, that have locked us into the mad mindset of the Demiurge rather than the inspiring perfection of the Absolute Mind of the True God.

    [3:37:06 PM] Shiloh: This is basically all correct
    [3:37:41 PM] Shiloh: Now if he just could understand John.1.1-10?
    [3:38:39 PM] Shiloh: He would find his Logos without any connotations to puerile Christianity concepts following the Council of Nicae, such as the trinity misunderstandings
    Hockney obviously prescribes to the 'Christ-Conspiracy' mob of the Zeitgeist-Joseph-Murdock Nabs and so contradicts himself in his previously stated 'anti conspiracy genre' stance
    [3:43:40 PM] Shiloh: The Logos deniers, will soon enough become 'face-to-face' with their images of the self-denials

    [3:46:02 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Jesus-Myth%281765162%29.htm
    [3:46:31 PM] Sirius 17:

    "Illumination, the religion of the Illuminati, is concerned with both the truth and with psychological well-being. The aspect of Illumination that deals with the truth is highly scientific and philosophical, and we shall be outlining it in the coming weeks. This aspect has a specific form. However, the psychological aspect can have whatever form is suitable to prepare the initiate for the more complex aspect. The members of the Illuminati can choose any form of religious devotion they like, and many choose to focus on the ancient gods and rituals of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, Egyptians, Norse, Persians, Babylonians etc. Particularly favoured gods and goddesses are Mithras, Apollo, Aphrodite, Dionysus, Demeter, Ra, Lucifer, Minerva and Janus. None of these is regarded as the “True God” (who is named Abraxas by the Illuminati) but they are all psychologically valuable. No Illuminatus follows any of the gods of the mainstream religions, all of which are children of the Demiurge, psychotic and profoundly damaging psychologically."

    [3:49:22 PM] Shiloh: Lol, he acknowledges Abraxas as the archetype for the Logos. As you can see, he is well read; but like the Bonaccis and the O'Collins and co nabsers, not informed enough to escape the deception of the ptb, he is attempting to substitute with his own model of the gnosis scientia
    [3:50:37 PM] Shiloh: He likes to critisize the Big Bang say as a materialist concept of nonpurpose, but then does not understand the Big Bang theory enough to provide feasible alternatives
    [3:51:18 PM] Shiloh: Attempts to do just this have been rather common place for the last 100 years or so
    [3:51:33 PM] Sirius 17: "Towards the end of the 19th century virtually no scientist would have anticipated that Newtonian physics was about to be replaced; nevertheless, it happened. This is one of the greatest strengths of science: the most cherished of theories can be discarded if the facts demand it."
    [3:51:34 PM] Shiloh: You can see the aim here dont you?
    [3:51:41 PM] Sirius 17: newton has not been replaced lol
    [3:51:47 PM] Shiloh: Yes all good, lol. But then he fails to see that his ideal geometries of Pythagoras reappear in the mathematics of the 5 superstring classes and the Cosmic ray spectra and are also encoded in the GOT etc
    [3:52:38 PM] Sirius 17: "Scientists actively look for anomalies and inconsistencies. They seek data that doesn’t conform with the expected results. That’s where Quantum Mechanics came from. Classical physics couldn’t account for a number of observed phenomena so had to be discarded, no matter how painful."
    [3:52:49 PM] Sirius 17: classical physics has not been discarded either, wow
    [3:54:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes he is inconsistent with his refutation of the differing sciences, not realizing they are still in use
    [3:54:19 PM] Shiloh: You can forgive him that misnaming. He means that Einstein incoporated Newton and Leibnitz, and not that they have been discarded
    [3:54:29 PM] Sirius 17: sure
    [3:54:51 PM] Shiloh: He is anti Nabs and this becomes an alleviating circumstance
    [3:54:56 PM] Sirius 17: but his wording choice makes him sound like someone under informed trying to sound smart
    [3:55:05 PM] Shiloh: Yes very much so
    [3:55:20 PM] Shiloh: You watched his video?
    [3:55:35 PM] Sirius 17: I am working on it, about half way through
    [3:55:37 PM] Shiloh: Its flashy and so good for the nabsers
    [3:55:45 PM] Sirius 17: yes much of it is good
    [3:56:11 PM] Shiloh: You see how Thuban encompasses such models?
    [3:57:21 PM] Sirius 17: of course
    [3:57:33 PM] Shiloh:

    1 Corinthians 13:9-11 - King James Version (KJV)
    9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
    10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
    11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.


    [3:58:05 PM] Shiloh: Now this is NOT our take or Thubanese; but this is Logos authority
    [3:58:22 PM] Shiloh: So only Logos can justify this, not our arguments
    [4:00:18 PM] Sirius 17: this is true, did you see min 9:22
    [4:00:23 PM] Sirius 17: their 'credo'
    [4:01:30 PM] Sirius 17: they condemn all religions, all faiths, all prophets all holy books...ect ect
    [4:02:00 PM] Sirius 17: so in condemning all holy books that means the GOT and there you go
    [4:02:18 PM] Sirius 17: close but no cookie
    [4:03:09 PM] Shiloh: Indeed, close, but not close enough; yet better than nirvana nabs or 'bible bashings' or islam per toto
    [4:03:50 PM] Sirius 17: oh for sure
    [4:04:19 PM] Sirius 17: this whole video is like one big advert for his books though
    [4:04:28 PM] Shiloh: The last 2 videos of Pat Condell on 'Jesus as president of America' and the 'Children of a stupid god' are in that calibre too
    [4:04:34 PM] Sirius 17: seems the 'illuminati' are broke and need money lol
    [4:04:46 PM] Shiloh: Haha
    [4:05:00 PM] Shiloh: Yes, I would not like to 'promote' his books
    [4:06:04 PM] Shiloh: But Condell asks to 'be convinced' as to the reality of 'spiritual claims' and so seems more openminded about potential 'changes of his mind'
    [4:06:35 PM] Shiloh: Hockney would have a harder time to overcome his biases to see his 'Logos Light of Illuminations'
    [4:07:46 PM] Sirius 17: yeah you mean Pat Condell?
    [4:08:04 PM] Sirius 17: I think Pat might be closer to the real Jesus here
    [4:08:25 PM] Sirius 17: Hockney is tossing him out without question
    [4:11:27 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [4:11:29 PM] Sirius 17: Condell seems to of done a bit more 'reflection' and serious deep thinking over Jesus than Hockney








    [4:12:09 PM] Shiloh: But you see, why I am publishing this?
    [4:12:23 PM] Shiloh: New World Order substitute or proxy
    [4:12:32 PM] Sirius 17: yes, clarification
    [4:12:34 PM] Shiloh: This is JUST what Thuban represents
    [4:12:57 PM] Shiloh: So it serves as a comparison and reference for any real researcher
    [4:17:28 PM] Shiloh: So rax did really well, bringing this to our attention. There are two dime a dozen similar websites 'out there' of course, but this one has a mix of anti nabs with an appreciation of science and the metaphysical realism of mathematics and harmonies; but fails miserable to see through the deceptions of the status quo in regards to the non-politisized concept of spirituality as the basis and raison d' etre for the existence of religions
    [4:18:24 PM] Shiloh: And as you know, the Dragon-Thuban label is itself a 'cover' and proxy smokescreen or VEIL of EVIL LIVE for the 'wanna bes'
    [4:18:39 PM] Sirius 17: yes lol
    [4:19:32 PM] Shiloh: And show me the few real 'dragons' who could see through the mists?
    [4:19:47 PM] Shiloh: No further comments are necessary
    [4:22:10 PM] Shiloh: The wanna bes either stumble on the name of the Fearful Dragon or they are blinded by their hatred of organised religion a la human interpreted
    [4:27:56 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Bloodline-Code%281829331%29.htm
    [4:27:59 PM] Sirius 17: oh wow
    [4:28:21 PM] Sirius 17: The success of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and The Da Vinci Code proves how well the formulators of the Grail mystery accomplished their task.

    We said, "No one has yet solved the fake mysteries, and some may even find them more alluring than the real mystery since they have implications that are as mind boggling as that of the real mystery." We will now admit that the authors of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail did in fact crack the essence of one of the "fake" mysteries - their conclusion that it was connected with a bloodline: with Mary Magdalene, Jesus and the Royal House of David is essentially correct. However, they did not fully solve the mystery that was set: they did not discover the tomb of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, and probe the issue of whether Jesus Christ had two sets of bones! (Anyone who has carefully read our recent articles on Jesus Christ will understand to what we are referring.) Nor did they identify all the members of the main bloodline and provide a list of all those who have held the title of Davidic king "in waiting" since the time of Jesus Christ. To this day, such a person exists, and we will return to this subject in due course.
    [4:29:24 PM] Sirius 17: The story of the True Grail and the fake "Bloodline Grail" have a major intersection point that has caused the bulk of the confusion between the two separate mysteries. The key intersection is none other than King Solomon, son of King David, and also a key figure in the ancient Illuminati. It is precisely because he belongs to both mysteries that they have become hopelessly intertwined and confused.

    The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail reflects the degree of confusion. It refers to the Cathars, the Knights Templar and the Freemasons in the same context as the Davidic bloodline when, other than Solomon, they have nothing whatever in common. This error is repeated in a multitude of popular books, and it also underlies the absurd proposition that the Illuminati are a secret society of sinister Jewish Elders.
    [4:30:10 PM] Sirius 17: The Gnostics, including the Cathars, renounced and denounced Yahweh. They taught reincarnation. They either rejected Jesus Christ or regarded him as a super-angelic being sent by the True God to help humanity: he was a phantom - pure spirit - because he did not enter the evil material world of the Demiurge. He did not enter into a fully human existence, did not die on the cross, and was not resurrected. The Creator of this wicked world of wailing and woe was the Demiurge, not the True God. The Demiurge, Satan, Rex Mundi, King of the World, the Creator of the earth, Yahweh, was evil. Faith was unimportant. Only knowledge mattered. No high priests were needed. The Gnostics taught the opposite of the Jews, so the two can never be equated.

    The Holy Blood (sang raal) part of the story is a Judaic tale relating to Jesus, Mary Magdalene and the Royal House of David. The Holy Grail (san graal) part of the story is a Gnostic tale relating to Solomon, the Cathars, and the Templars (from whom the Freemasons later emerged).
    The very title The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail enshrines the confusion, and links two concepts that should always be kept separate.
    [4:30:58 PM] Shiloh: Yes some 'illumination' there.
    [4:31:19 PM] Sirius 17: well this whole article goes into how they have thrown people off
    [4:31:45 PM] Shiloh: But the gnostics did not reject Jesus, but some considered him 'ethereal' and not human.
    [4:33:57 PM] Shiloh: Well they think they solved some mysteries here and perhaps we should comment on this stuff in detail. As you know some quasi Logos deniers like O'Collins go along this path of Jesus with Mary Magdalene going to France and Europe and being assassinated, dieing there in old age.
    [4:34:27 PM] Sirius 17: then he goes into Solomon and Luke and MM's 7 demons
    [4:34:36 PM] Sirius 17: are you reading this?
    [4:34:40 PM] Shiloh: But he is right in seeing yahweh as the fake god, demiurge or allah
    [4:34:58 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:35:55 PM] Shiloh: yes, he sees the 'lineages' of Matthew and Luke in the way the 'ptb' and the so called Luciferian cults do.
    [4:36:13 PM] Sirius 17: Chapter 21 of Judges then explains that the other tribes felt guilty about what they had done, and tried to reconstitute the tribe by slaughtering the husbands and wives of a foreign city and kidnapping all of the virgins, to be handed over to the surviving Benjamites. It still wasn't enough and the Benjamites were allowed to go raiding to kidnap more women. And all of this was done in the name of Yahweh.

    Is Yahweh not Satan himself? Read for yourself the words of Yahweh's "holy" Bible:
    [4:36:56 PM] Shiloh: He seems to be well read in the gnostic history of the cathars and the Templars. But I require details to see how much more than the ptb he actually understands.
    [4:38:05 PM] Shiloh: There he is messing up, the notion of the 'wives' of the levites and the 'laws' forbidding intermarriage and such things
    [4:38:35 PM] Shiloh: he is losing it there with his preconceptions
    [4:39:26 PM] Shiloh: But interesting, that he seems to 'study and analyse' the scriptures, yet denies any potency for them
    [4:40:08 PM] Sirius 17: well he is pointing out the obvious fallacies
    [4:40:18 PM] Sirius 17: and a lot about the demiurge
    [4:40:38 PM] Shiloh: Does he refer to the Apocryphon?
    [4:40:59 PM] Shiloh: 'Secret Book of John'?
    [4:41:20 PM] Sirius 17: The "truth" of the Old Testament is that far from telling the tale of Jewish love and loyalty towards Yahweh, it tells almost the opposite tale: of massive resistance to this cruel and monstrous deity. This resistance endured for centuries, especially amongst the kings of Israel.

    In fact, only one group of Jews actively supported Yahweh through thick and thin, and their perseverance through every misfortune eventually paid off. Ostensibly, they were the priests and prophets of Israel, the holy men and patriarchs. But in reality they were the archons of the Demiurge, and they finally managed to get every Jew to worship the Devil. And then every Christian started worshipping this Satan, and every Muslim too. It is the most breathtaking triumph of evil in human history. All across the world, to this very day, billions of people get on their knees and bow down to Satan himself as if he were the True God. The Bible of Satan is read aloud in synagogues, churches and mosques every day all across the globe.

    Hundreds of millions have perished because of the Abrahamic faiths. Death and destruction has poured down on the human race. The Four Riders of the Apocalypse have followed wherever the Torah, the Bible and the Koran have been taught.
    [4:41:34 PM] Sirius 17: he talks about the gnostic scrolls in the nag hamaddi
    [4:42:23 PM] Shiloh: yes and he has found out the truth about jehovah being the same as Allah; but then he dismisses the bible per se
    [4:42:31 PM] Sirius 17: but read the above and it shows you how deep his 'nous' goes
    [4:42:44 PM] Shiloh: But it would be informative for the many
    [4:42:57 PM] Sirius 17: Isn't it time to break the rule of Satan? Many of the ancient Hebrews, foremost amongst them the great Illuminatus Solomon, understood what had to be done.

    We honour all those ancient Hebrews, especially the heroic and martyred tribe of Benjamin, the forerunners of the holy Cathars, who saw through the lies of Yahweh and resisted his tyranny. Isn't it time modern Jews did the same? It's no disgrace to admit you were wrong. It would be one of the noblest actions of all time.
    [4:43:00 PM] Sirius 17: then he says this
    [4:43:58 PM] Shiloh: yes, he sees the orthodox Judaism as being mentally hijacked by their Yahweh, just as the islamists are
    [4:44:08 PM] Sirius 17:
    Resurrection or Reincarnation?

    Following Jesus' alleged resurrection, John 20:14-16 says: [Mary] saw Jesus standing; and she knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith to her, "Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou?" She, thinking it was the gardener, saith to him: "Sir, if thou hast taken him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away." Jesus saith to her, "Mary." She turning, saith to him "Rabboni" (which is to say, Master).

    In other words, Mary only knows that it's Jesus because of his way of speaking, his mannerisms, and his presence.

    This is the most important section of the Christian Gospels, and of the entire Christian religion. What is truly astounding about it is that it represents the clearest possible proof that the central belief of Christianity is false. This passage from the Beloved Disciple proves beyond any doubt that the claim being made regarding Jesus Christ was not that he was resurrected but rather reincarnated, a spectacularly different concept.

    Further evidence of Jesus' radically altered appearance is provided in the following passages:

    Mark 16:12 And after that he appeared in another shape to two of them walking, as they were going into the country.

    "Another shape"? They mean a different body - reincarnation.

    Luke 24:15-16 And it came to pass, that while they talked and reasoned with themselves, Jesus himself also drawing near, went with them. But their eyes were held, that they should not know him.

    "But their eyes were held, that they should not know him?" Why not? What did he have to hide? Was he playing mind games? If he had been resurrected in his old body, why was he so reluctant to show himself properly, and instead creating doubt in the minds of his anxious followers? Or is this another passage showing that he was in fact in a new body because he had been reincarnated?

    No wonder Doubting Thomas was so doubtful: he literally couldn't believe his eyes because the person in front of him clearly didn't look anything like Jesus.
    [4:44:21 PM] Shiloh: But any Thuban knows all this from the apocryphon.
    [4:45:08 PM] Shiloh: Utter misunderstanding there. It reads like a 'shapeshifting reptilian' a la nabs galore
    [4:45:14 PM] Sirius 17: exactly
    [4:45:49 PM] Sirius 17: John 21:4 But when the morning was come, Jesus stood on the shore; yet the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

    Why not? Because his appearance was entirely different thanks to the fact that he was in a new body as a result of reincarnation.

    John 21:12 Jesus saith to them, "Come, and dine." And none of them who were at meat, durst ask him, "Who art thou?", knowing it was the Lord.

    Why would they be tempted to ask Jesus who he was if he looked exactly like his former self, so clearly he didn't? As with the incident involving Mary Magdalene, it is Jesus' presence that identifies him, not his appearance, which is manifestly utterly different from his previous appearance.

    Ask any Christian to rationalise these passages from their "infallible" Gospels. Ask them why they are not regarded as definitive proof of reincarnation rather than bodily resurrection. If bodily resurrection had indeed taken place, no one would have had the slightest difficulty recognising Jesus Christ.

    So, which is the greater cover-up: the fact that Jesus was married and had children, or that Jesus was not resurrected at all, but reincarnated? Either way, both are deadly to the Christian faith.
    [4:46:04 PM] Shiloh: As you know ANYONE denying the physical bodily resurrection is an antichrist by logos definition
    [4:46:34 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:46:34 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:47:58 PM] Shiloh:


    1 John 4.3 - KJV
    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


    2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    [4:48:58 PM] Sirius 17:

    "The theory of resurrection is, actually, incredibly complicated when it is studied properly, and many simplistic assumptions have to be cast aside. The standard version of resurrection theory can be challenged straight away by asking why is a body needed at all for the immortal, immaterial soul i.e. what actual function is served by bodily resurrection?

    Most Christians have no idea of the confusion that exists in resurrection theory. For example, they are completely unable to say what the difference is between the Last Judgment and the "Particular" Judgment."

    [4:49:43 PM] Sirius 17: I wonder if this guy has ever read the GOT
    [4:49:46 PM] Sirius 17: like ever
    [4:49:50 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [4:50:45 PM] Sirius 17:

    Here's what Wikipedia says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Roman_Catholicism

    Belief in the last judgment (sometime said universal judgment) is held firmly inside Roman Catholicism. Immediately upon death each soul undergoes the particular judgment, and depending upon the state of the person's soul, goes to heaven, purgatory, or hell. The last judgement will occur after the resurrection of the dead and the reuniting of a person's soul with own physical body.

    The Catholic Church teaches that at the time of the last judgment Christ will come in his glory, and all the angels with him, and in his presence the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare, and each person who has ever lived will be judged with perfect justice. Those already in heaven will remain in heaven; those already in hell will remain in hell; and those in purgatory will be released into heaven. The Roman Catholic Church holds no doctrinal position on the fate of those in Limbo. Following the last judgment, the bliss of heaven and the pains of hell will be perfected in that those present will also be capable of physical bliss/pain. After the last judgment the universe itself will be renewed with a new heaven and a new earth.
    This is called having your cake and eating it. You get an immortal soul that can detach itself from your body upon death and go straight to heaven, and a body that is eventually resurrected. But if your soul can exist in heaven without a body, why does your soul then have to be reunited with your body at the Last Judgment? And what age will this body be? If you died at 100 years-old, presumably you get a younger, healthier body…bit how young? And why do you need lungs and sex organs in heaven where there is no air and no sex? And why do you need to eat and drink? Do you urinate and defecate? What are the sewers like in heaven? None of it makes the slightest bit of sense.

    [4:50:48 PM] Sirius 17: omg
    [4:51:01 PM] Sirius 17: see, no sex in heaven, NO NO NO NO lol
    [4:51:25 PM] Sirius 17: he requires imagination
    [4:51:30 PM] Sirius 17: for hell sake
    [4:54:46 PM] Sirius 17:

    "The first passage we quoted from John tells us two things: Jesus' own wife, Mary Magdalene, did not recognise him after his resurrection. Nor did she think that he was some mystically transformed supernatural being from the celestial plane. Rather mundanely, she mistook him for the gardener."

    [4:54:56 PM] Sirius 17: LOL that is because he WAS the Gardner
    [4:55:11 PM] Shiloh: Yes, just beginning to 'intellectually analyse the resurrection in a non-scientific manner' shows that he is now following the path of human self delusions
    [4:56:08 PM] Shiloh: He is right out of his depth here and is going into human deceiver mode par excellence
    [4:56:15 PM] Sirius 17: oh boy
    [4:56:37 PM] Shiloh: Pure human minded speculations
    [4:56:45 PM] Sirius 17:

    If you are a Christian and you believe that Christ lived on after his death on the cross then, if you acknowledge the truth of your own holy scriptures, you have no option but to recognise that the tale of Jesus Christ relates to reincarnation and not resurrection. Jesus' "soul" did not return to his former body but instead transferred to a completely different body.

    And you have to ask yourself why no one has ever mentioned this before when it is so plainly stated? Is that what brainwashing does to people? Billions of people have had the gospels drummed into their heads from birth, yet not one of them has ever challenged the one core resurrection belief of Christianity, which is actually conclusively and irrefutably disproved by the Gospels. Christianity is the biggest deception in history and yet, remarkably, it apparently didn't seek to deceive anyone because it openly states the truth of reincarnation rather than resurrection.

    [4:57:40 PM] Shiloh: Even nabsers have a better understanding about the nature of a potential 'light body'
    [4:57:49 PM] Sirius 17: well Tony, perhaps no one has told Hockney about quantum immortality lol
    [4:57:59 PM] Sirius 17: true,they do
    [4:58:07 PM] Shiloh: It is getting too silly to share this
    [4:58:12 PM] Sirius 17: at least they understand the merkabah
    [4:58:30 PM] Shiloh: But it is a good contrast
    [4:59:09 PM] Sirius 17: yes but FYI ....hockney possesses no extraordinary nous
    [5:01:33 PM] Shiloh: I did not claim, that he had
    [5:01:45 PM] Sirius 17: very very few people do, but they do exist, for those that can 'hear'
    [5:02:05 PM] Sirius 17: I know
    [5:02:19 PM] Shiloh: I said, that he is on the correct path to relate the 'true God' concept or nature to pure mathematics and as honoured by the ancient Pythagoreans
    [5:02:25 PM] Sirius 17: i was not talking to you persay
    [5:02:43 PM] Sirius 17: but other readers
    [5:02:54 PM] Shiloh: Oh ok, lol - I wondered about you questioning my judgements
    [5:03:07 PM] Sirius 17: hahaha don't be obsurd
    [5:03:32 PM] Shiloh: The more you study DETAILS on his writings, the more you see plain human mindedness and ignorance
    [5:04:19 PM] Shiloh: I must end the message with a disclaimer of not recommending Hockney's and co's books
    [5:05:06 PM] Sirius 17: no, my assessment is he is not the 'real' deal and a pretender illuminati if that
    [5:05:25 PM] Sirius 17: but it sells books
    [5:06:05 PM] Sirius 17: all this mysterious demeanor he has crafted
    [5:07:55 PM] Shiloh: I agree with you; but it is just this 'clout of mystery' which so often seduces the naiveties and gullibility of the nabsers
    [5:08:26 PM] Sirius 17: yes indeed
    [5:08:34 PM] Sirius 17:

    The Davidic Line

    The Desposyni (from the Greek meaning "of or belonging to the master or lord") is a term describing the blood relatives of Jesus. Jesus had many brothers and sisters, and eventually had four children, so the Desposyni became quite a large group over the years.

    Jesus married Mary Magdalene at the wedding feast at Cana. By the time of Jesus' crucifixion, Mary was pregnant with their first daughter Sarah.

    Mary Magdalene went to France accompanied by Jesus (in reincarnated form), Joseph of Arimathea (brother of Jesus), Martha (sister of Mary), Lazarus (brother of Mary), Salome (sister of Jesus), Joanna (sister of Jesus), Mary (sister of Jesus) and Mary (mother of Jesus). In other words, the party that went to France consisted of members of the two families of the married couple Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

    In France, Mary and Jesus had a son (also called Jesus, or, rather, Yehoshua), another daughter (Tamar), and a second son Joseph (Yosef).

    Jesus' secret teaching to all of those who went with him to France was that when he had prophesied that he would rise again, he actually meant that he would be reborn via reincarnation. (Normally, but not necessarily, reincarnation takes place via babies, not adults.) Jesus explained that he had no choice but to use the language of resurrection rather than reincarnation in his public pronouncements because that's what Judaism taught and it would have been suicidal to teach a gentile Greek and Eastern doctrine of reincarnation.

    [5:08:38 PM] Sirius 17: this is really silly
    [5:10:05 PM] Sirius 17:

    As we explained in a previous article, Jesus' original plan was to fake his death on the cross and then emerge "resurrected" from his tomb. In the religious mania that would surely ensue, the Romans would be forced out of Judea by a huge and unstoppable popular uprising, Jesus would depart the country forever (he would claim to have "ascended to heaven"), and his brother James the Just would assume the role of the Davidic priest-king.

    Over time, if it were deemed advantageous, the new teaching of reincarnation would be introduced to the kingdom of Israel. Otherwise, it would remain a secret teaching amongst the elite.

    According to the French writer Michel Tournier, a "diabol" is a symbol which has become autonomous, and taken on a life of its own. Like Frankenstein's monster it attacks those who created it. As Tournier implies, those who live by symbols can die by them too. Christianity will die when its false doctrine of resurrection is finally destroyed.

    Have another look at Leonardo da Vinci's famous painting The Last Supper:

    [5:10:50 PM] Shiloh: And yet, his anti nabs stance will so serve the purpose to confuse the human mindedness of the major part of the mainstreamers and alternatives even more. Not that this is a good thing, but it might be required to maximise the cosmically necessitated polarisations preceding the beginnings of a real 'New World and Heaven'

    [5:11:26 PM] Sirius 17: [5:09 PM] Sirius 17: <<< Over time, if it were deemed advantageous, the new teaching of reincarnation would be introduced to the kingdom of Israel. Otherwise, it would remain a secret teaching amongst the elite.

    this is such BS, many other cultures not just the 'elites' and secret societies knew of reincarnation, what a crock
    [5:12:01 PM] Shiloh: As said human minded delusions reign supreme in the nabs camp and the other camps alike
    [5:12:05 PM] Sirius 17: anyone with any reincarnational memories would know of it
    [5:14:42 PM] Sirius 17:

    There are four theories about the figure to the left of Jesus Christ as we look at the picture:

    1) It is John, the Beloved Disciple (the conventional theory).

    2) It is Mary Magdalene, wife of Jesus (let's call it the Dan Brown theory).
    3) It is the Beloved Disciple defined as a coded hybrid of Mary Magdalene and her brother Lazarus.

    4) It is the young man into whom Jesus Christ reincarnated after his death. The idea that they are the same but different is coded in the fact that their clothing is identical, but where Jesus has red, the other has blue, and where Jesus has blue the other has red i.e. they complement each other perfectly. They make a single whole: two in one. Da Vinci is providing a visual representation that Jesus wasn't resurrected at all, but reincarnated.
    To which theory do you subscribe?

    *****

    And what of the Davidic bloodline today? That's where Supriem Rockefeller, the Thule Society and the Brotherhood of the Shadows come into the frame. We will elaborate on this in our next article next week.

    [5:15:17 PM] Sirius 17: although this little tidbit about the clothing of the disciple on the 'left' figure of Jesus is interesting
    [5:15:37 PM] Sirius 17: that one did escape me, the blue on red and red on blue
    [5:26:33 PM] Shiloh: The correct interpretation is 1) with 2)
    [5:26:46 PM] Shiloh: It is however related to this GOT:
    [5:27:24 PM] Shiloh:

    (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."


    [5:27:44 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:28:03 PM] Shiloh: And so 3) also becomes included and 4) in a way per this GOT
    [5:28:13 PM] Sirius 17: true
    [5:28:44 PM] Shiloh:

    (108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

    (114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
    Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

    [5:29:05 PM] Shiloh: And this as 3)
    [5:29:27 PM] Shiloh: Not so hard to decipher for the 'true proxy illuminated PTB' lol
    [5:29:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes lol
    [5:29:41 PM] Shiloh: Your favourite
    [5:29:47 PM] Sirius 17: it is
    [5:29:57 PM] Sirius 17: the living words
    [5:29:58 PM] Shiloh: I will add the pic to this

    lastsupp.


    [5:30:31 PM] Sirius 17: but no i mentioned the painting because i had not noticed the detail in the coloration of the robes before, that they were opposite to each other
    [5:30:47 PM] Sirius 17: but that is even further illuminating and supportive
    [5:31:37 PM] Sirius 17: Leonardo was a fuc11ing genius
    [5:32:21 PM] Sirius 17: the more i look at his work the more i see
    [5:32:41 PM] Sirius 17: mona lisa is so clever, he knew back then
    [5:32:48 PM] Sirius 17: it is him as her
    [5:32:54 PM] Sirius 17: self portrait
    [5:32:58 PM] Shiloh: he created the Adam Kadmon as Vitruvian Cosmic Man and the Mona Lisa as an allegory to Mary Magdalene
    [5:33:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:33:07 PM] Shiloh: Hehe, yes
    [5:33:31 PM] Shiloh: True Gnosis aka Insight aka Science aka Illumination
    [5:34:33 PM] Shiloh: Leonardo had it, Newton had it, Einstein had it and many native elders have it and most human minded ones dont have it. And you don't have to be a member of a 'secret society' or cult to have it. All you have to have is the Love of Abba in your Mind and Heart and the Love of Baab in your Heart and Mind to have it. But those last two criteria are impossible to attain without the truth and the Life and the way of the One true Logos of all worlds. And this Logos cannot be perceived by old human mindedness and its associated mental immaturity, ignorance, self pretension and plain stupidity
    nice
    [5:50:53 PM] Shiloh: Red is the Colour of the Dragon in Revelation 12 as the Devil being cast out of heaven.
    [5:51:41 PM] Shiloh: Now tell me the colour required to neutralise this 'Evil Serpent' to render it neutral as either pure White in radiation and as pure black in matter?
    [5:52:53 PM] raxnae: green?
    [5:53:07 PM] Shiloh: Kachina of the Hopi - the Blue Star of Hope and a new World, so often nabs misrepresented
    [5:53:07 PM] Sirius 17: blue
    [5:53:35 PM] Shiloh: Of course and in particular Cyan or Skyblue and Leonardo as a painter of course knew this
    [5:53:47 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:54:19 PM] Shiloh: Mixing a pure shade of red with a pure shade or hue of cyan in paint and in equal proportion will give you black

    On Abraxas - God of the true Illuminati?







    Published on 4 Apr 2012


    "The Illuminati is an ancient secret society that seeks to bring about a New World Order based on the principle that everyone has it within them to literally become God.

    The ten most influential Grand Masters of the Illuminati are: King Solomon the Apostate, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe and Hegel.

    This video features a reading of the front page of the Illuminati's Armageddon Conspiracy website. This webpage is not for the faint-hearted. It contains an enormous amount of philosophical, psychological, political, historical, scientific and religious content. If you are interested in embarking on the spiritual journey of your life then you have opened the door to a mansion of wonders. If, however, you have come in search of aliens, pan-dimensional lizards and evil Illuminists relentlessly plotting against the ordinary people of the world then you have arrived at the wrong destination. Makow, Icke, Jones and their ilk will be more to your taste.

    The aim, as it has always been, is to overthrow the network of elite, dynastic families of wealth and privilege that we refer to as the "Old World Order" who have run this world since the dawn of civilization, to their maximum advantage and to the extreme detriment of the people.

    The Illuminati is a radical and indeed revolutionary organization that seeks nothing less than to assist the ordinary men and women of the human race to ascend to the next stage of humanity's divine evolution. The Illuminati describe this higher level as the "Community of Gods" or the "Society of the Divine."

    It's time to end the reign of the false prophets, the fake gods and the tawdry idols that we call "celebrities". We're sick of the bankers and traders, the lawyers and accountants, the politicians and their "special advisers" the lobbyists and spin doctors, the agents and gatekeepers, the CEOs and chairmen, the advertisers and marketing men. We're sick of all the same faces of the "top" people and their relentless tricks and tactics to keep enriching themselves at the people's expense. We're sick of the government's "Freedumb and Dumbocracy" that cons people into voting for the rich and the apologists for the rich, and we're sick of the Abrahamic religions that keep billions of people on their knees as slaves to a tyrant masquerading as God.

    You know that humanity is capable of so much more. Isn't it time to bring about real change? Isn't it time to seize your divine inheritance?

    The Illuminati are the messengers of the True God. Our sacred mission is to bring humanity into full union with the True God so that there is no longer any distinction between the human race and the divine essence. Our Order is able to show how this can be achieved using Einstein's theories of special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics. It's time for humanity to open its eyes and see the divine light for the first time. Its religion is called Illumination. We have emerged from the shadows to cast the light of Abraxas, the True God, on this benighted world; to bring Illumination - enlightenment - to everyone."


    http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk

    The Armageddon Conspiracy novel can be found here:

    http://www.smashwords.com/profile/vie...



    The Creation Myth


    So, what is the Illuminati's Creation Myth?

    In the Illuminati's initiation ceremony (a deliberately distorted parody of which is presented in The Millionaires' Death Club), this myth is presented in a dramatic form using elaborate visual and sound effects. Each initiate is given a drink of a rare red wine containing a special ingredient to "open" their minds fully to the experience. The impact of the event is astonishingly potent. In this article, words will have to suffice. These are not the actual words of the ceremony (which are delivered as a glittering grand oration by a spellbinding speaker), but they present the decisive ideas.


    *****

    Imagine that billions of years ago, there was no physical universe at all. The only thing that existed was "God" - an entirely incorporeal spirit. He was pure thought: Absolute Mind. After eons of contemplation, God reached an extraordinary decision: he was going to commit suicide. It was time for him to bring about the most momentous event of all time - his own death. The Death of God.

    But how does God kill himself? Isn't it impossible by definition? After all, you can't kill the eternal, the immortal, the deathless. You can't kill existence itself, and that's exactly what God was: existence itself. And if he was all there was, what would be left when he was dead?

    God understood that the only true death he could experience would be one of transformation; he could make himself into a new form of existence. He would be reincarnated, so to speak. He would no longer be pure mind but would incorporate a revolutionary new substance that he had decided to create - matter. Yet matter, because it came from God, would be infused with "Godness". Every particle of matter, regardless of how humble and seemingly insignificant, would be a spark of God. And all of these sparks would, buried within them, have an irresistible desire to reconstitute God.

    God's infinitely inspired idea was that the ultimate creative act was to create himself. God was going to become God. There could be no more divine deed.

    So God, a being who did not exist in physical space, a being who existed outside of space and time, a being of infinite power, of infinite spiritual and intellectual energy, decided to self-detonate - to turn that infinite energy of the mind into the infinite physical energy of the universe of matter. He would die in order to be reborn. Eons after his "death", all of the physical particles that his death had liberated - the great multitude of "divine sparks" - would find a way to bring him back to life in a new form. He would give birth to himself.

    God would live, die, be reborn and live again. He would undergo samsara. He would demonstrate his infinite power, his eternal fearlessness, his infinite intellectual curiosity. He would gain complete and final knowledge of existence. If he did not kill himself he would never know what it was like to die. His knowledge would be incomplete. He would be lacking, imperfect. How could he be any judge of mortality if he himself had not undergone the fate of mortals?

    How can you be God if you have never died? You can only understand death by experiencing it. Also, how could God understand doubt if he had never experienced that either? By killing himself there was an outside chance that he might never come back to life in anything like his former glory. There would be an inescapable element of doubt.

    All sorts of things that God would never understand otherwise would become known to him if he killed himself. It was the only way to attain supreme self-knowledge, to attain the perfection demanded of God.

    Odin, the chief of the Viking gods, voluntarily sacrificed himself to himself in order to attain higher wisdom:

    "For nine nights, wounded by my own spear, consecrated to Odin, myself consecrated to myself, I remained hanging from the tree shaken by the wind, from the mighty tree whose roots men know not."

    Odin was one-eyed because he had given the other to Mimir, the wisest of all the Viking gods, who existed only as a head (having been decapitated by his enemies). For the payment of his eye, Odin was granted consultations with Mimir's head, known as the "Father of Wisdom". Self-sacrifice lies at the heart of all strivings to increase knowledge. Those who lack the strength, those who are too cowardly, will always turn away from the harsh lands of self-improvement to the sybaritic palaces of easy pleasures and cheap fun, to all the petty comforts and joys that surround us, tempting us away from the hard and often thankless work that underlies all progress.

    The Vikings anticipated an apocalyptic event called Ragnarok that would bring about the death of the gods. But, afterwards, life would be reborn and new gods would appear. Ragnarok was as much a moment of beautiful rebirth as of Armageddon.

    In the tale of the Egyptian god Osiris, he is killed, his body dismembered and the pieces scattered. His consort Isis then tracks down the parts and painstakingly reassembles the god.

    In the Greek tale of Zagreus, the god is also killed and dismembered, but his heart is saved by Zeus and used to give birth to Dionysus.

    In Christianity, "God" dies and then is resurrected.

    The idea of the god who dies and comes back to life (sometimes in a radically different form) is a strong feature of many religious traditions.


    *****

    Fourteen billion years ago, the divine moment came. "Let there be light!" said God, and there was light. He self-immolated in the greatest explosion of all time - the creation of the universe of matter from the universe of mind in a single apocalyptic event. From physical nothingness - the pure mind of God - came all the "stuff" of the physical universe. The moment of God's death was the moment of Creation. It was the "Alpha Point."

    The physical universe is teleological: it has a purpose, a desired end, an "Omega Point." That end-point is the regenerated God. The physical universe that was born of God seeks to become God anew; not the old God of pure Mind, but a new God of Mind and Matter.

    God knew that the creation of matter would not mean the elimination of mind. Rather, just as matter is a form of energy (as Einstein demonstrated), it is also a form of mind because it originated in mind. It is mind with physical dimensions rather than pure, dimensionless mind.

    The universe is alive. It is an organism. It thinks. It seeks. It strives. The universe has a soul. It is forever trying to find its way back to its divine origin. It is travelling dialectically from Alpha to Omega.

    We human beings contain the divine spark. We are all fragments of God. We will be complete only when we have reassembled as God. That is the fulfillment of our divine human mission.

    The True God is the Deus Absconditus - the Hidden God. One day he will be the Deus Manifestus - the Revealed God. We are all part of the revelation. We are hidden gods in a universe that does not yet know it is God but is evolving towards being God.

    Just as humanity was born of a primordial chemical soup on a "lifeless" rock in space, so God will be born of stardust in a seemingly lifeless universe. We are all glittering stars and one day we will come together in the brightest star of all - God himself. This is humanity's destiny. Is that not an inspiring vision of humanity? We are not mere humans; we are divine beings, a community of gods en route to becoming God himself: God Reincarnated, God Resurrected, God Reborn.

    This "myth" explains how the universe was created - by a non-physical energy (the mind and spirit of God) being transformed into physical energy, but still fundamentally imbued with the mind and spirit of God. It explains how life came into existence: the universe was created from life (God's) and is everywhere infused with God's life. It explains why we are conscious beings (we reflect the implicit consciousness of God that pervades the universe). It explains why we have a sense of a soul and immortality, of a future paradise, and why humanity has always spoken of gods and God. It explains evolution - we are evolving towards God. It gives a precise meaning to our lives.

    And what of evil in the Illuminati's Myth? Good and evil are defined in terms of altruism and selfishness. The more selfless and altruistic an action is, the more "good" it is. The more self-interested and selfish an action is, the more "evil" it is. So, a serial killer who treats his victims as nothing but objects designed for his personal pleasure, who denies their unique humanity, is utterly evil. Privileged families that are determined to always seek their advantage at the expense of other families are evil. Bankers who care only about the size of their bonuses and nothing for other people are evil. Politicians who serve themselves (and the lobbyists who pay them so lucratively) are evil. Greedy bosses who exploit their workers are evil. Those who gratuitously harm others are evil. Those who do unto others as they would never wish done unto them are evil. Evil - in the form of greed, selfishness and self-interest - is all around us. We are saturated with it. Our world drips with evil. True goodness, on the other hand, is rarer than the most precious gold in this fallen world of ours.

    The Demiurge is a dialectical stage in God's development as he gradually regenerates himself. He must pass through evil in order to know good. He must be selfish and self-interested before he can become altruistic and selfless. The Demiurge is God at a primitive stage of his development, before he has understood himself.

    The Demiurge is, to God, as the infant human is to the mature adult. An infant is a screaming, tiny tyrant, wailing and bawling if it does not get its own way, if its parents don't drop everything to attend to its every need and whim. It cares nothing for others. It is driven entirely by its id. It's a monster of narcissism and ego, of complete lack of regard for others. It is ruled by the pleasure principle. I WANT is its mantra. GIVE IT TO ME. WORSHIP ME. I AM THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE. (And doesn't that sound like the bankers who almost bankrupted the world?)

    The mature adult, on the other hand, is guided by the superego rather than the id. The mature adult is attuned to others, and takes them into consideration at all times.

    The Demiurge is the True God's shadow in Jungian terms: the primitive, immature, dark, unenlightened, destructive and selfish aspect that must be overcome if God is to become his true Self.

    God, exactly like us, is on a dialectical path, seeking to overcome the negative parts of his psychology that hold him back from full self-actualisation, from becoming everything he has it in him to become - perfect.


    Is that not the true meaning of the statement that we are created in God's image? Is that not the true meaning of the ancient wisdom As above, so below?
    The Abrahamic faiths have destroyed all truth relating to God. They worship an earlier, monstrous version of the dialectical God rather than the True God he is becoming. They worship the spoiled infant rather than the self-realised adult. They have committed the cardinal error. They worship the Shadow. They are shadow creatures themselves. They are the Brotherhood of the Shadow. No mistake could be more profound. As soon as you realise that the Jews, Christians and Muslims are backward, primitive people locked into a destructive, infantile, deluded psychology, you understand why the world is as it is. This world is a child that needs to become an adult.

    The Jews, treated as subhuman during the Holocaust, now treat the Palestinians as subhuman. Thousands of years ago, in the name of their God, the Jews violently stole the land of the ancestors of the Palestinians (the Canaanites). Nothing much has changed. They are drenched in the blood of innocents.

    Christian pilots and soldiers wreak vast destruction on Muslim civilians and then claim it was unavoidable "collateral damage" (i.e. innocent Muslims are to be treated like objects that got in the way). They talk about waging a Just War, of fighting for freedom and democracy, of being the "good guys". Who are they kidding?They are drenched in the blood of innocents.


    As for Muslims, they sentenced an author to death for writing unflatteringly about Mohammed. They are trying to kill Scandinavian cartoonists who drew Mohammed in an unflattering light. While they are cutting off the heads of innocent victims they have kidnapped, or blowing up hi-jacked planes full of innocent people, or slaughtering innocent people in marketplaces, they shout Allah Akbar - God is Great! They are drenched in the blood of innocents.


    These fanatics are dangerous in the extreme. They are imprisoned in an infantile psychological mindset. They are demented children rather than grown-ups. The slightest provocation sends them into blind fury. They have a hair-trigger temper. They can never argue their case as intelligent, thoughtful advocates of their beliefs. They always resort to bombs, guns and swords. Their religions have been a curse on this world. They are an exact reflection of their master, the Demiurge.


    Step One of humanity's redemption is the destruction of the Abrahamic faiths that have held us back for so long, that have locked us into the mad mindset of the Demiurge rather than the inspiring perfection of the Absolute Mind of the True God.



    The "God" of the Torah, Old Testament and Koran is the Demiurge. He is drunk on power. He wants humanity to submit to him, to worship him, to glorify him, to be permanently in his thrall. He is jealous, angry, spiteful, cruel, partisan, tyrannical, narcissistic, violent, psychopathic. He is an overgrown, spoiled child. And he has shaped us in his own wicked, destructive image, hence why we are so fallen.

    But here is a remarkable truth: it is not God who redeems humanity, but rather humanity that redeems God. Our dialectical role is to show the Demiurge the error of his ways. If humanity can escape from the "selfish gene" with which the Demiurge has fashioned humanity, if humanity can turn away from blatant self-interest, greed and selfishness towards selflessness and altruism, then we will demonstrate to the Demiurge that we are morally superior. It is only then that the Demiurge, a being that labours under the delusion that he is the True God, will see that he cannot be what he believes himself to be. The Demiurge - Jehovah/the Christian Triune God/Allah - is the antithesis of the True God. He is also an unavoidable dialectical stage in the evolution of the True God. God cannot have a full understanding of good and evil unless he himself has been evil and then transcended that benighted state. If he had never known evil then he would be nothing but an innocent simpleton. Celibate Catholic priests are laughed at when they offer advice to married couples about sexual matters. How can they comment on something about which they have no experience? To talk the talk, you must have walked the walk. By the same token, God cannot be a judge of good and evil unless he has a perfect understanding of evil by having experienced it himself. This is the dialectical truth of God. It is pure heresy to Christians, Muslims and Jews, of course…but these are religions that are controlled by the deluded Demiurge so it hardly matters what they think.

    God comes to full self-realisation and moral perfection through humanity. It is we who shape God. If we can be morally superior to the Demiurge then he will be shaped in our image rather than we in his. It is our divine, dialectical task to transcend the Demiurge and lead him onto the true path.

    *****

    What does science say about Creation? Fourteen billion years ago, a universe emerged from literal nothingness (no scientist can credibly explain this, and none can explain what was happening prior to the Big Bang). Although the universe is not "alive" and is not permeated with "mind", it nevertheless supports evolution by natural selection via which lifelessness can miraculously evolve into life (no scientist has ever explained exactly how), and then equally miraculously create, in the case of human beings, the qualities of mind and consciousness (again, no scientist has ever explained how these can emerge from lifeless atoms). Science denies a) God, b) the existence of souls c) teleology, d) anything other than materialism, yet it cannot account for any of the most important questions: how life comes from lifelessness, how minds and consciousness come from atoms. Therefore how can it so dogmatically rule out other mysteries?

    Which do you find more credible, which do you find to have the greater explanatory power - "hard" science, or the Illuminati's Creation Myth?

    As for the Abrahamic religions, they claim that a perfect God created a perfect world and created perfect human life: Adam and Eve. The happy couple lived in a perfect paradise - the Garden of Eden - until they were tempted by a serpent (that God had allowed to enter the garden) to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that God had placed in the most prominent position in the middle of the garden. God had forbidden Adam and Eve from eating the fruit, but they disobeyed him, thus committing the Original Sin by which humanity has become eternally fallen and depraved (a bit of an overreaction to eating an apple, one might suggest). Wouldn't it have been better for God not to put the tree in the garden in the first place, and to keep serpents out? As a forgiving and compassionate God, shouldn't he simply have pardoned Adam and Eve rather than condemning them and all of their heirs to lives of mortal misery for that devastating crime of eating an apple?

    And if you believe that Abrahamic "tall tale", as billions do, then you will surely believe anything, which is why our world is in such sad and pathetic state.

    What kind of God is this Abrahamic deity? Already, in the tale of Eden, the truth that the God of Adam and Eve is the Demiurge is all too apparent. Cain was the first to see through the lie, and he is therefore held in the highest esteem by the Illuminati (as described in The Armageddon Conspiracy).

    The Eastern religions say, in effect, that one day God decided to throw a veil of illusion and ignorance over himself and create the appearance of plurality when, in fact, there was only unity. In other words, God, for some unspecified reason, decided to hide himself from himself and then seek to find himself again. The human soul (the Atman in Hinduism) is really a fragment of the Divine Soul (Brahman in Hinduism) and has to endure samsara - the wheel of birth, death and rebirth - in order to eventually reach enlightenment (Moksha) when it finally realises the truth. In Buddhism, the "game" is to attain the state of Nirvana where all the illusions of our human existence are dispelled and we can become part of the great mystical Oneness that constitutes true existence.

    Which Creation Myth do you find most convincing? - that of science, the Abrahamic faiths, the Eastern religions or the Illuminati?

    But the Illuminati's Myth is not the religion of the Illuminati, although it does contain some core elements of the religion.

    In April, we will start specifying the actual religious teachings of the Illuminati. The religion starts in an extraordinary way because it commences with the idea that there is no God. In a sense, the only worthwhile religion is one that can persuade an atheist of its truth. Faith-based religions will never achieve such an outcome. Eastern religions, especially Buddhism, have proved more successful, but still fall far short of convincing most atheists. Illumination, a synthesis of philosophy, science and religion, starts with an atheistic outlook and ends with a complete explanation of God, the soul and the afterlife.


    The Science Myth


    Does science offer a better grasp of "reality" than philosophy or religion? Quantum Mechanics is the most successful scientific theory of all time, and yet no one is sure what it actually means in terms of reality.

    There are numerous interpretations of what Quantum Mechanics implies about reality:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_quantum_mechanics

    Physicist and science writer John Gribbin says, "One of the most remarkable features of quantum theory is that there are many different interpretations of what the theory 'really means', most of which are mutually contradictory as far as their philosophical basis goes, but all of which accurately explain the behaviour of known experiments and correctly predict the outcome of new experiments. They all pass Newton's test of a good theory! There is nothing like this in any other area of science - we do not, for example, have half a dozen or more different 'interpretations' of Einstein's general theory of relativity, the other great theory of twentieth-century physics."

    According to the "Copenhagen Interpretation" (historically the most favoured explanation), the universe does not exist in any definite state when it is not being observed i.e. if there were no observers then the universe would never exist in any real, solid state at all - it would just be an eternal, bizarre, fuzzy, spectral haze; a ghost universe, flickering, shimmering, pulsating, but never taking on any meaningful form. And it would be invisible!

    John Gribbin says, "Remember also that to the Copenhagen school of thought a quantum entity, such as an electron or photon, does not have properties, such as position and momentum, except when these properties are being measured. It is not just that we do not know what the values of these properties are; the theory says that those properties do not exist unless they are observed."

    Physicist John Wheeler concluded that the universe only exists because we are looking at it. This is essentially the same position as the one adopted by Bishop Berkeley in the 18th century. He said, "Esse est percipi." (To be is to be perceived.)

    Physicist David Bohm claimed that the real world always exists independently of observers but that particles are guided by a mysterious "pilot wave" that obeys "non-locality" i.e. any disturbance in the wave at one location is automatically and instantaneously reflected in the wave at all other locations, no matter how far distant from the original disturbance. This contradicts Einstein's principle that no form of communication can take place faster than the speed of light.

    Physicist John Bell has demonstrated that the universe cannot be both real and "local". If it is real then it is non-local and if it is local then it is not "real". He said he preferred to abandon Einstein's special theory of relativity than give up "reality".

    According to Hugh Everett's "many-worlds" interpretation, every time the universe is confronted with a choice at the quantum level, the universe divides into as many copies of itself as are required to allow every possible quantum choice to be realised. With every passing instant, innumerable new universes are being created. Astoundingly, this is increasingly the interpretation favoured by physicists. It is a fully deterministic account of reality, but at the price of creating a Multiverse, consisting of an infinite number of parallel universes where everything that can happen will happen. No convincing explanation is ever offered as to how these infinite universes can occupy the same space. They magically split off into "other dimensions", or they somehow have their own portion of space and time: the details are never clearly specified. And somehow these parallel worlds still manage to briefly interact with each other as they are being created, thus generating the interference effects that we observe in the quantum world.

    It is quite amazing that many scientists pour scorn on the concept of God and yet seriously entertain these bizarre and untestable speculations about the true nature of reality.

    John Cramer's "Transactional" interpretation of Quantum Mechanics involves the interaction of waves travelling forward in time and others travelling backward in time.

    Other interpretations offer equally exotic "solutions".

    So, what is clear is that any description of the nature of reality is bound to contain at least one astonishingly counter-intuitive idea that seems not only unbelievable but practically deranged. You can have non-locality, going backwards in time, observer-created reality, infinite parallel worlds being created with every passing instant etc. What you can't have is any common sense, uncontroversial, easily imagined, easily accepted solution.

    In an article in April, we will reveal the key ingredient at the heart of the Illuminati's religion; the one that accounts for God, the soul and the afterlife, and also for quantum reality.

    *****


    This website will be completed in the next few weeks. Anyone who has an interesting tale to tell, experience to relate, statement to make, point to get across that they think would be suitable for being posted on this website, should send us their contribution soon.





    Disclaimer: "I do not recommend the purchase of the books and material as promoted on this website; but I do recommend to study and analyse this material for the purpose of comparison and reference in association with similar topics and subject material addressed by other sources."

    The main topics raised in the 'Creation Myth of the Illuminati' as stipulated in the discourse above are fundamentally correct and in harmony with the omniscience of the Cosmic Elders aka the 'Ancient Ones of Creation'.

    The demiurge as a 'spoiled brat' image of collective humanity and masquerading as the Jehovah-Allah god of the Judahic-Islamic world religions represents an appropriate 'reading' of the 'apocryphon aka the Secret Book of John' as part of the Nag Hammadi lexicons and so portrays an older nous and understanding on the nature of the 'creator' as depicted in the 'holy books' of the before mentioned religions. The notion of the original 'elder God' being unified in one, yet desiring to be two also represents the correct imagery and archetypology for the Adam-Eve as 'perfect images' for the plurality as singularity pre-Genesis of any creation mythology.
    The notion of collective humanity redeeming the demiurge qualifies as a true gnostic insight and a Logos authorized understanding, allowing the human mindedness to relate to its cosmic encompasser, as well.

    The critiques on the reductionist views of modern science with respect to a 'many worlded quantum realistic multiverse' and in context with anthropic principaled cosmologies, supporting a basically unconscious and purposeless universe also adhere to the wisdom of the ancient ones.

    Where the cosmology of the 'New or Alternative Illuminati' falls apart, is in the details of its attempt to illustrate and define its overall correct cosmological perspective as stated in the preceding paragraphs. It fails to decode the semiotics and symbols encoded in the scripture lexicons in the Torah aka the Old Testament of the biblical scriptures in dismissing them as the 'laws of the demiurge' or 'fake god' of both orthodox Judaism and the entirety of Islam, with exception perhaps of the mystical expression of both religious philosophies; say in Sufism and the Kabbalah. It also fails to appropriately relate the "Pythagorean-Mathematical-Numerical" Logos it espouses as its logistical cosmogoneic basis to the 'real elder god' it also accepts as a foundational entity and requirement for its existencence and as encoded in the New Testament of the Christian bible.
    The treatises on the nature of Jesus of Nazareth (and Mary Magdalene) and related phenomenas like the Conception, the Transfiguration, the Resurrection and Ascension and Assumption, as well as statements regarding the historical events before and after those occurrences are pure speculative ideas and opinions of the human mind, based on a potpourri of collected stories and snippets of information, which have accumulated over the secular and literal histories passed since those events took place.
    As to the identity of the author of the 'New World Order': Lucifer and the Dark Tower of Reality: The Divine Secret





    In this sign "In HOC Signo Vinces" - (The Death's Head) you will conquer.



    Published on 25 Feb 2014


    Lucifer and the Dark Tower of Reality: The Divine Secret
    What if the Divine Secret of Godhood was guarded by the Bringer of the Morning Star that Shatters the Golden Dawn.
    "The Divine Secret" from "The God Blunder" by A. Crowley operating under the Pen Name of Mike HOCkney one of the Ruling 12 in the Secret Society that goes by the Generic Name: Illuminati founded May 1st, 1776 by Adam Weishaupt. "In HOC Signo Vinces"---

    In this sign "In HOC Signo Vinces" - (The Death's Head) you will conquer.

    Brought to you by the G.I.A. : www.TheForce10.com


    abraxasinas - {They can only hope and wish! But it is a valiant attempt to discern the real Abraxas and serves the agenda of the same - Lol!}

    [8:40:41 PM - Sunday, August 10th, 2014 +10UCT] Shiloh: rax new website?
    [8:41:10 PM] Sirius 17: you know she likely put him up to asking you about that web site
    [8:41:23 PM] Shiloh: Could be
    [8:41:56 PM] Shiloh: But this 'New World Order Illuminati ' thing is not rax's website
    [8:42:22 PM] Shiloh: You saw the 'devil's head' video?
    [8:42:23 PM] Sirius 17: i know, but how strange he suddenly asked you about it
    [8:42:28 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [8:42:39 PM] Shiloh: It is quasi ptb alright
    [8:42:51 PM] Shiloh: From the nous perspective
    [8:43:02 PM] Shiloh: Perhaps a wanna be
    [8:43:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [8:43:35 PM] Shiloh: But the basic 'mileu' is illuminati from old freemason nous etc
    [8:44:13 PM] Sirius 17: but i was thinking about it last night and it seemed that maybe rax or her or both thought maybe they had something legit and so she was disappointed to find her 'theory' squashed, whatever it was
    [8:44:55 PM] Shiloh: Lucis trust from the nous about the apocryphon and the human history of religion-politics
    [8:45:23 PM] Shiloh: Yes, this could be and rax went silent too
    [8:45:42 PM] Shiloh: You might be right with your feelings here
    [8:45:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes she probably told him to shut up
    [8:46:01 PM] Shiloh: Makes sense then yes, her leaving
    [8:46:26 PM] Shiloh: He thought at first I would fully support this remember?
    [8:46:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [8:47:07 PM] Shiloh: Oh well I dont mind and dont care if I have thrown a spanner into their works
    [8:47:26 PM] Sirius 17: but then we discovered that the denial of the resurrected Christ was in there, so that of course ruined it for them
    [8:47:36 PM] Shiloh: You think?
    [8:47:49 PM] Shiloh: I mean how strong is your intuition here?
    [8:48:25 PM] Shiloh: The actual maths of Hockney is not as strong as it could be, were this real ptb
    [8:48:29 PM] Sirius 17: well i am guessing that they thought they were onto something 'good'
    [8:48:53 PM] Shiloh: He does not understand membrane physics in terms of Black Hole singularities for instance
    [8:49:01 PM] Shiloh: His approach is far too simplistic
    [8:49:08 PM] Sirius 17: no and i could see through his pretense pretty quickly
    [8:49:46 PM] Sirius 17: tossing out old illuminati names and scientific theories like candy
    [8:49:49 PM] Shiloh: r=0 with r>=0 is not how astrophysics looks at singularities
    [8:50:32 PM] Sirius 17: i could see the human ego there, this is what i discerned
    [8:50:39 PM] Shiloh: But his approach to 'world government' is 'Luciferian' and 'secret nous' based gnostic mathematical etc
    [8:51:13 PM] Sirius 17: yes overall the data is well constructed, for the most part
    [8:51:27 PM] Shiloh: I watched the meritocracy video I added
    [8:51:41 PM] Shiloh: Oh this stuff has some really good reviews
    [8:51:56 PM] Shiloh: I checked around a bit
    [8:52:10 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am sure he sells a lot of books
    [8:52:14 PM] Shiloh: Only the randi skeptic websites etc dismiss it
    [8:52:23 PM] Sirius 17: calling himself A. Crowley lol
    [8:52:40 PM] Sirius 17: reminded me of Wilcock and Cayce
    [8:52:52 PM] Shiloh: It enhances the zeitgeist stuff but without analysing all religion see
    [8:53:29 PM] Shiloh: It simply dismisses all religion as nonsense and this appeals to the herd mentality disillusioned with the mainstream control
    [8:53:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [8:53:44 PM] Shiloh: I think this was Crowley's book
    [8:53:50 PM] Shiloh: Not his name
    [8:54:01 PM] Sirius 17: and the nabsers because it vilifies their new age BS
    [8:54:30 PM] Shiloh: Yes and attacks the aristocracy etc as most would like it
    [8:54:43 PM] Shiloh: So it is a 'graduation' from the nabs
    [8:54:57 PM] Sirius 17: no if you read carefully in the comments or notes it says A. Crowley, otherwise known as Michael Hockney
    [8:55:27 PM] Shiloh: I heard a take that he considers himself a 'son' or descendent
    [8:55:50 PM] Shiloh: Amon Crowley or such
    [8:56:34 PM] Shiloh: Dismissing religion appeals greatly to the nabsers
    [8:56:56 PM] Shiloh: She was such a hypocrite, proclaiming to love Jesus
    [8:57:31 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Aq6WzaTg2s
    [8:57:36 PM] Sirius 17: watch the beginning
    [8:58:04 PM] Sirius 17: 10 seconds in
    [8:58:09 PM] Shiloh: "The Divine Secret" from "The God Blunder" by A. Crowley operating under the Pen Name of Mike HOCkney one of the Ruling........
    [8:58:10 PM] Sirius 17: that is where i saw it
    [8:58:22 PM] Sirius 17: no
    [8:58:31 PM] Shiloh: this pen name refers to the book, not Aleister C imo though
    [8:59:06 PM] Shiloh: yes this is the 'son' name
    [8:59:09 PM] Sirius 17: The divine secret within the dark tower of reality by mike hockney aka A. crowley
    [8:59:14 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [8:59:22 PM] Shiloh: It does not say Aleister
    [8:59:56 PM] Shiloh: Google A. Crowley Mike Hockney
    [9:00:45 PM] Shiloh: Look at the Mike Hockney books and you will see a striking similarity to the books written by Amado Crowley aka Mike from Southampton.
    [9:01:34 PM] Sirius 17:
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-236153.html



    You might have come across the http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ website or it numerous other sites with various names including http://www.meritocracy.org.uk/, they claim to be the Illuminati but it is a fake. They also do a fake ‘interview’ about Mike Hockney (the ‘ghost writer’ of the PDF free books they put out to promote their cult). Which they relentlessly promote on any forum they can! And they now say that the last book (Soul Camera) cannot be written by ‘Mike Hockney’ but they refuse to say why, in fact the reason why is that Mike Hockney is (or was, as he died in February 2010) a man who worked at Southampton Poly as a lecturer in psychology who fancied himself as a bit of an occultist so set himself up with a new name as Amado Crowley (the supposed son and self professed heir to Aleister Crowley - hey he went for the jackpot - LOL). He started writing self published books in the 1990s and failed to convince anyone, except his insane followers, that he was anything to do with Aleister Crowley, Pete Carroll thought he was a nutter after spending a weekend with him and was angry that Amado had wasted his time!

    And there is more. Look at the Mike Hockney books and you will see a striking similarity to the books written by Amado Crowley aka Mike from Southampton. Look also at the website of Amado Crowley and you will see word for word ‘writings’ that appear on the http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ website (which by the way they jokingly call the AC site - get it?) http://www.amado-crowley.net/
    [9:02:19 PM] Shiloh:


    Theories about conspiracy theories and opinions about conspiracy theories are fatuous. There is just no point to it. Coming out in support about some third parties' fanciful perspective has little real value. It's all about admirers and detractors again. Support the Blues or the Reds and see where it gets you.
    Hi guys,
    Amado, use to talk about certain people whose agents came to meet him,who couldn't understand that he approached these matters from a different angle, he was aware of their values- these were I suggest primarily to do with espionage and the accrual of wealth especially power.
    Magicians like Aleister, Dr. John Dee and Cornelius Agrippa all served their governments as spies. Espionage uses disinformation and hides facts by ridicule, place a revealed truth next to bizarre ideas and people begin to ignore or discount the revealed truthful fact.
    I refer you to "Attar" the chapter title of "The Wrath of Aleister Crowley"
    There are certain people, a handful in each country perhaps, who together possess the greatest power in the modern world. ....this group has been shaping the face of Europe for many centuries. Now, of course, it is able to manipulate the whole world and modify our destiny. I do not say this merely to grab your attention.I say it because it is true.
    It isn't rocket science, Amado's Truth refers to what Nature and the God's intended, those who approached him where wondering to what country or group his allegiance lay. So yes I agree it is good to be free of conspiracy theories especially in our Spiritual practice but lets not be naieve either, I don't know who is "milking the system" but sometimes I feel like one of the cows in the milking shed, but I suppose I should be grateful they haven't sent me to the Poppy fields of Ypre or Flanders to be slaugthered for the Greater Good. Crying or Very sad Perhaps I shouldn't speak too soon- black gold a plenty in foriegn lands - Worth fightin for eh Rolling Eyes

    [9:04:10 PM] Shiloh: Murky waters as always!
    [9:04:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes well this is the first thing that popped up when i googled both names
    [9:04:35 PM] Sirius 17: david icke site
    [9:04:52 PM] Shiloh: I ONLY look at the data presented and leave the 'conspiracy-persona' stuff as whatever it might be
    [9:05:20 PM] Shiloh: The data is 'insider', even if from a wanna be
    [9:11:14 PM] Shiloh: [9:07:25 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amado_Crowley
    [9:09:48 PM] Shiloh: Yes see, this makes sense
    [9:10:05 PM] Sirius 17: sure, i am not saying this invalidates much of what he is saying, i am just showing you what google came up with
    [9:10:16 PM] Shiloh: This is what I said
    [9:10:32 PM] Shiloh: Amon ...Amado see?
    [9:12:09 PM] Shiloh: There is also a certain appreciation of human sexuality on this armageddon site, which of course was also Aleister Crowley's obsession amongst other things
    [9:12:38 PM] Sirius 17: yes he definitely was a fan of Aleister
    [9:13:24 PM] Shiloh: So who then are the co-writers on that site?
    [9:13:44 PM] Shiloh: When was the last book of Hockney published?
    [9:14:49 PM] Shiloh: Hockney talks string theory and M-theory which name was not coined until 1995-2000 and so before Amado's death
    [9:15:06 PM] Shiloh: He was 80 years old in 2010
    [9:15:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes I don't know, it seems fishy
    [9:15:43 PM] Shiloh: Does the writing style strike you as being from such an aged person?
    [9:15:43 PM] Sirius 17: maybe not the same person
    [9:15:59 PM] Sirius 17: not really
    [9:16:09 PM] Shiloh: I dont know. I am just asking questions, which can shed some lights on it
    [9:16:45 PM] Shiloh: The science actually as presented on AC does seem to be from an 'oldie'
    [9:17:13 PM] Sirius 17: well in the one video I think it is him narrating and he sounds young to me
    [9:17:31 PM] Shiloh: Who is familiar with Special Relativity, which after all does not require more advanced maths, then Pythagoras algebra
    [9:17:56 PM] Shiloh: What is the date of that video?
    [9:18:14 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAblg6_-D6E#t=34
    [9:18:20 PM] Sirius 17: or is this not one of his videos?
    [9:18:42 PM] Shiloh: No this is the dutchman - a follower imo
    [9:19:28 PM] Sirius 17: yeah it seems like a follower
    [9:19:38 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG5sq74jbyRFmIKUd_7GkHQ
    [9:20:14 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg-d118ge5Y
    [9:20:24 PM] Shiloh: You see its from there
    [9:20:47 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2SD8yjcbb6bxEIEPKvEIHA
    [9:20:54 PM] Shiloh: two dutchmen or one
    [9:21:17 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg-d118ge5Y this video says 2012 and publication of said books in 2012
    [9:22:10 PM] Sirius 17: so maybe this mike hockney is not the same guy who died in 2010
    [9:22:41 PM] Shiloh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ynkQHMjRQ&list=UU2SD8yjcbb6bxEIEPKvEIHA
    [9:23:05 PM] Shiloh: meritocratic movement is associated with Hockney and this is then diffusing
    [9:23:29 PM] Shiloh: Did Hockney release a book post 2010?
    [9:23:49 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Hockney/e/B004KHR7DC according to amazon yes
    [9:24:32 PM] Shiloh:


    Why Math Must Replace Science (The God Series Book 18) by Mike Hockney (Jun 27, 2014)

    The Soul Camera

    Imagine a camera that takes pictures of the human soul. Imagine it could detect how good or evil you are. Imagine it could analyze every aspect of your personality. Imagine it could tell you how many times you have been reincarnated. Imagine it could tell you how close you are to achieving gnosis and becoming God!
    Imagine that a real secret society already possesses such a camera, which operates in accordance with the inviolable, fundamental principles of the cosmos - six-dimensional mathematical idealism based on three real (space) axes and three "imaginary" (o) axes, creating a six-dimensional arena of complex numbers.
    The Paradigm Shift is coming. Humanity is about to enter its divine phase.

    The Soul Camera, The Illuminated Soul, The Book of the Dead, The God Portal (all part of the "Soul Series): due by the end of 2015.
    2014 - The Mythos/Logos Series
    Mike Hockney, Michael Faust and Adam Weishaupt.

    [9:25:53 PM] Shiloh: So this indicates, that Hockney is alive
    [9:26:03 PM] Sirius 17: seems so
    [9:26:10 PM] Shiloh: The maths is relatively 'primitive'
    [9:26:24 PM] Shiloh: So layman and not real ptb
    [9:26:36 PM] Sirius 17: well he intends to replace science with it
    [9:26:42 PM] Sirius 17: so we'll see
    [9:26:43 PM] Shiloh: BS
    [9:27:03 PM] Shiloh: He dismisses string theory because it has 'too many' dimensions
    [9:27:11 PM] Shiloh: He wants 6
    [9:27:35 PM] Shiloh: This shows me he does not have a deeper understanding of science and maths
    [9:27:45 PM] Sirius 17: he has been reading too much goetica lol
    [9:28:19 PM] Shiloh: 'Mathematical idealism' Just this word should show you that he does not know
    [9:28:50 PM] Shiloh: This is a direct 'adaptation' to 'Plato's idealistic geometrical forms'
    [9:29:52 PM] Sirius 17: I am going to head to bed now dear
    [9:29:58 PM] Shiloh: String theory derives from actual dimensional analysis and group theory about algebraic gauge symmetries
    [9:30:30 PM] Shiloh: It is because of those symmetries, that stringers believe that M-theory can indeed approximate and describe physical reality
    [9:30:46 PM] Shiloh: It has little to do with idealised Platonic geometric forms
    [9:31:16 PM] Shiloh: Bueans juju
    [9:32:23 PM] Sirius 17: thank you, buenas to you too hon, it is 4:30 here, I did not realize it was so late
    [9:35:18 PM] Shiloh:

    http://climateofsophistry.com/2013/02/12/pythagorean-illuminati-gnostic-illuminism-the-ancient-order-of-the-illuminati-and-ontological-mathematics/
    [9:35:58 PM] Shiloh: http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Prince-of-Hell-ebook/dp/B0040JHV2C/ref=la_B004LXB8GW_1_26?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355437407&sr=1-26
    [9:36:00 PM] Shiloh: lol
    [9:36:36 PM] Shiloh:


    Jesus, Prince of Hell (The Anti-Christian Series Book 2) [Kindle Edition]
    Adam Weishaupt
    (Author)

    You many think you know everything you need to know about the historical figure “Jesus Christ”, but every cherished belief you have about him is false. Jesus Christ is a fake and a fraud. For a start, his name wasn’t Jesus Christ but Yehoshua ben Yosef (“Joshua son of Joseph”). And, just as his name is a fiction designed to disguise the truth, so is everything else about him.

    We will demonstrate the following:

    1) The central promise of Christianity – the resurrection of the dead – is utterly wrong. As we shall show, the Christian Gospels demonstrate conclusively that Jesus Christ was reincarnated, not resurrected.
    2) Jesus Christ was the central figure in one of the most audacious plots in history.
    3) He was head of an Elite Family that wished to rule the world. The Family exists to this day, and their conspiracy is unchanged.
    4) Jesus Christ was the leader of an army that sought to overthrow Roman rule in Judea. He was executed as a violent revolutionary attempting to set himself up as a king.
    5) Judas, the infamous traitor, was the brother of Jesus Christ.
    The greatest lie and fraud in history has endured too long.


    [9:37:23 PM] Shiloh: The truth of literary bullshit

    [9:37:57 PM] Shiloh: [9:36 PM] Shiloh:
    <<< 3) He was head of an Elite Family that wished to rule the world. The Family exists to this day, and their conspiracy is unchanged. !



    This is one out of a series of books by the Pythagorean Illuminati. The Pythagorean Illuminati are an ancient secret society of rational free thinkers. The orders was officially founded by the great polymath Pythagoras. Some of the most creative geniuses in history were members of the Illuminati. People such as Plato, Hegel, Simon Magus, Leibniz, Goethe, Weishaupt, Hypatia, and many others. Every single one of the Illuminati's books are not only excellent but for some people they can even be life changing. Every book in this series is very well written. The authors are passionate about their material and that passion rubs off on the reader. You will find yourself unable to put their books down and you'll constantly want to read just one more page. All of the Illuminati's books are packed with information from many interesting and challenging subjects such as mathematics, philosophy, science, psychology, religion, sociology, history, politics, and even the paranormal. The Illuminati have integrated all of these subjects into what scientists have been searching for for years: A Grand Unified Theory of Everything. Some of the information in this series can be challenging but the authors are so talented that they are able to take even the most complicated subjects and make them understandable to everyone.

    These books are for people who can see that there is something very wrong with the world we are living in. They are for serious people looking to change themselves and this world into more healthy, equal, just, altruistic, and rational entities. They are for people that can see humanity is capable of so much more. In the end, these books are for the people that want to make themselves and this world divine. If that project doesn't sound like the most important thing in the world to you then you should read something else. If, on the other hand, that sounds like what you need more then anything then these books are exactly what you are looking for. If you feel drawn towards the ideas of the true Illuminati then you need to read all of these books asap. You should also check out their website armageddonconspiracy.co.uk and their facebook page Ancient Order of The Illuminati.
    If you are going into these books for your first time I feel you should start with the book "The Illuminati" by Adam Weishaupt. That book will give you an excellent overview of the philosophy of the Illuminati. I will very quickly give you a rundown of what I feel are two of the most important aspects of the Illuminati's philosophy. The Illuminati are Gnostics and Meritocrats. Meritocracy is the political wing of the Illuminati and at its core it is about allowing all people to begin life from an equal starting position so that everyone has the best possible chance to fully actualize their innate potential. And no, that will absolutely not happen through "free market" capitalism. Another reviewer of this book took issue with the Illuminati because they don't believe "free marketeers" are the people closest to human perfection. The said reviewer gave this book five stars so that is good but these libertarian capitalists can drive me crazy. Sometimes I wonder if they are at all honest with themselves. Have they even looked at the world we are living in? If they did they would immediately see that "free market" capitalism is one of the main reasons this world is such a selfish, unequal, miserable, and lets face it, evil place for billions of humans and non-humans living on this planet. And lets not even mention what capitalism is in the process of doing to the environment. If the environment goes it's game over. I digress though. If you are curious about Meritocracy then read the Illuminati's book "The Meritocracy Party" by Michael Faust. It will answer any of the questions you might have about this amazing political system.

    Since this book, "Jesus, Prince of Hell" (and I absolutely love the title), is more relative to Gnosticism I'm going to focus on that more so then Meritocracy. Gnosis is Greek for knowledge. Gnosticism is the religious wing of the Illuminati. The Illuminati's version of Gnosticism is the highest form of Gnosticism and it is called Illumination or Illuminism. Gnosticism is all about knowledge not faith. The abrahamic religions of faith are anathema to Gnostics. Gnostics believe that the material world we all live in is created by an evil being. That evil being is none other then then the creator "god" from the Torah, Bible, and Koran. In Gnosticism our souls are trapped here in the material world over many incarnations. Our souls must go on the most heroic and difficult journey imaginable until we finally attain Gnosis. Attaining Gnosis is to intuitively achieve, through hard work, the most powerful knowledge in the cosmos and truly remember and therefore become what we have always been, literally Goddesses and Gods. When Gnosis is attained a soul has full knowledge of the cosmos. At that point we can finally escape the material realm and join the other souls that have attained Gnosis in a wondrous realm of light. Doesn't that sound like a much healthier religion then the abrahamic religions of faith that want you on your knees to a tyrant god who has massacred an untold number of people and bragged about it in his own "holy" book? Doesn't that sound like a much healthier religion then the eastern religions and new age religions of karma that say if you are suffering in this life then you deserve it because karma is punishing you and, therefore, there is no need for anyone to help you? Disgusting.

    So to the Illuminati Jesus Christ was a nefarious figure and he had no intention whatsoever of empowering humanity. On the contrary, his intentions were to make controlling humanity even easier. Much of the astonishing story of Jesus Christ is hinted at in the four gospels for open eyed readers to see. The Illuminati use the four mainstream gospels, the Gospel of Judas (Judas was a member of the Illuminati), and other writings to tell the story of the man history knows as Jesus Christ. His actual name was Yehoshua ben Yosef (Joshua son of Joseph). Just know that the information contained in this book in unique. You will not find it anywhere else. It is some of the most mind blowing information I have ever read. Always remember to read anything with skepticism and caution. Read what the Illuminati have to say about Jesus Christ and then compare it with the Christian version of events. Use your intuition. Which version, if either, sounds more credible to you? Unlike the Christians, the Illuminati won't condemn you to an eternity of fiery torture in hell if you don't believe them. "Jesus, Prince of Hell" along with "The Reincarnation of Jesus Christ" by Michael Faust will answer all of the most important and mysterious questions surrounding Yehoshua ben Yosef, the man we all know as Jesus Christ.


    [9:39:39 PM] Shiloh: xxx
    [9:40:10 PM] Shiloh: Poor Pythagoras! His name and gnosis-insight and work being used for such purposes. If those morons could only fathom, that their Abraxas in none other than ABBA



    Mark 14:36 - all KJV
    And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

    Romans 8:15
    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Galatians 4:6
    And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.






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    Jenetta wrote:
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    burgundia wrote: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/why-arent-isis-and-al-qaeda-attacking.html#!bxOJgc
    7-87.

    The question then is “Why?” Why does Israel not share the concern it has over Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, and Lebanese with al-Nusra, ISIS, and al-Qaeda? Why do these groups wage jihad against Israel’s enemies but not against Israel itself?


    (RedEzra)After Nato helped Al-Qaeda to defeat Gaddafi in Libya then Al-Qaeda and weapons were transported to Turkey to fight Assad in Syria. Also in Iraq Al-Qaeda got hi tech weapons when the US left and so Israel is probably scratching heads wondering what the US is up to backing an extremist Sunni organization like Al-Qaeda.
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    Just like we in the West are scratching our heads wondering why Israel is backing extremist Hamas militants in conjunction with Mossad. Theres no mystery regarding Al-Qaeda as it is a creation of the CIA and their weapons and technology was provided by the good ole U.S.A.

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    Hamas, Palestine and the Geopolitics of Resistance



    By Sam Muhho

    Global Research, August 09, 2014​


    In-depth Report: PALESTINE



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    The number one goal of any empire is to divide. The reason for this is the fact that empire’s objective is to consolidate power and in order to do so, it must make sure that no other geopolitical competitor is allowed to consolidate its own power for whatever objective, be it beneficial to the people or not. In the case of the Middle East, the fractious and multi-faceted ethnic, religious, and historical background of this ever-shifting region provides a fertile ground for the incubation of modern-day neo-imperialist subversion and covert destabilization.

    This can take a wide array of forms ranging from the catastrophic, as in NATO’s prolonged “nonconventional war” against Syria, to the subtle where the imperialists attempt to influence the geopolitical context in order to either destabilize relations between states or at least create some degree of mismatched objectives. The prolonged conflict between Israel and Gaza and the neglected historical backdrop is a particular example of this.

    We Must Understand the Nature of Our Enemy
    In the process, the nature of the empire must also be understood as not simply an “American empire” or a “Zionist empire” because this empire knows no national identity and is rather driven by a supra-national, globalcratic and oligarchial network of elite operating out of both the west and seeking global hegemony. More relevantly, they dictate US foreign policy through a network of think-tanks, like the Council on Foreign Relations, which they fund, allowing them to control the talking points of the policy debate and move their agenda forward under different political labels however it is convenient. That is our real government operating its agenda through its various proxies; therefore, calls to boycott Israel over its brutality will be ineffective if we do not go one step further and boycott Wall Street, rooting out the underlying illness spreading death and destruction around the world of which Israel is merely a proxy among others like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey.


    Here is such a byproduct of the imperialist attempt to divide and manipulate the Arabs and geopolitics of the Middle East. It is benign on the surface and unlikely to cause a major rift on the world stage in and of itself but is indicative of an underlying reality that many have overlooked in the role of Hamas and the geopolitics of “resistance”; thus it is an excellent time to step back from the current dynamics of world events and understand the historical background that makes it what it is. According to a recent article by Al Monitor titled, “Iran, Hezbollah break with Assad to support Hamas”, the current Israeli massacre in Gaza is allegedly driving a diplomatic wedge between Assad and his Hezbollah and Iranian allies over the issue of backing Hamas. Hezbollah and Iran seek to revive the “resistance triangle” against Israel, an understandable geopolitical position to take considering the historical injustices done to the Palestinian people and the presence of western hegemony in conjunction with the ongoing destabilization across the Middle East. However, Syria is understandably reluctant to lift its boycott of Hamas following Hamas’ support for the Syrian opposition which is by and large Islamist and serving western foreign policy objectives.



    Israel Created Hamas to Divide Palestinians and Prevent Peace
    While I support the Palestinian right to resistance, a few essential points must be noted regarding Hamas and its role in context to the resistance that would illuminate some of the points. To truly understand this, you must realize that it is an admitted fact by both Israeli and US officials that Israel created Hamas in order to offset secular Palestinian nationalism, radicalize the Palestinian population through deliberate provocation, and deliberately prevent a peaceful settlement. Consider the points noted by Washington’s Blog that are raised in this United Press International (UPI) report:


    According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel “aided Hamas directly — the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization),” said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic [and International] Studies.
    Israel’s support for Hamas “was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative,” said a former senior CIA official.

    According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were “weak and dormant” until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies. (emphasis added)

    UPI would continue by stating:

    In the end, as Hamas set up a very comprehensive counterintelligence system, many collaborators with Israel were weeded out and shot. Violent acts of terrorism became the central tenet, and Hamas, unlike the PLO, was unwilling to compromise in any way with Israel, refusing to acquiesce in its very existence.
    But even then, some in Israel saw some benefits to be had in trying to continue to give Hamas support:
    “The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place,” said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named.
    Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with,” he said.
    All of which disgusts some former U.S. intelligence officials.


    Another piece to be noted is Professor Stephen Zunes’ article in AlterNet titled “America’s Hidden Role in Hamas’ Rise to Power” which states many revealing facts that contradict the Zionist narrative. It is stated that in 1993, Hamas had only 15% support among the Palestinian population according to official polls; deliberate US-Israeli antagonizing and tacit encouragement saw the movement grow in support to win 44% of the vote in the 2006 Palestinian elections backed by the US. One point of interest is that Israel forcibly exiled Mubarak Awad, a Palestinian Christian pacifist who followed Gandhi teachings of nonviolent resistance, while simultaneously allowing Hamas to circulate anti-Jewish literature and call for Israel’s destruction.
    Even after the PLO agreed to recognize Israel, American officials were still barred from meeting with them while being allowed to meet with Hamas leaders in 1993. Israel, often brutal in suppressing peaceful pro-PLO rallies, stood by in violent quarrels between secular Palestinian nationalists like the PLO and Hamas such as in Gaza in 1981 when Islamists “attacked and burned a PLO-affiliated health clinic in Gaza.”
    This was one piece in a long list of cases. Alvaro de Soto, the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, cited by Zunes in his article, stated in a final confidential report that the American policy deliberately encouraged confrontation between Fatah and Hamas and worked to isolate and damage Hamas while arming and recognizing the PLO. As he noted in a report to the UN secretary general, this in turn was deliberately designed, in conjunction with Israeli policy, to encourage continued action by militants in the antagonizing atmosphere that developed. Factionalism in Fatah and the lack of a viable peace through PLO-Israeli-US negotiations also contributed to Hamas’ growing appeal. This has been noted by Israeli commentators as well; Zunes points out:
    Some Israeli commentators saw this strategy as deliberate. [Uri] Avnery noted, “Our government has worked for year to destroy Fatah, in order to avoid the need to negotiate an agreement that would inevitably lead to the withdrawal from the occupied territories and the settlements there.” Similarly, M.J. Rosenberg of the Israel Policy Center observed, “the fact is that Israeli (and American) right-wingers are rooting for the Palestinian extremists” since “supplanting … Fatah with Islamic fundamentalists would prevent a situation under which Israel would be forced to negotiate with moderates.” The problem, Avnery wrote at that time, is that “now, when it seems that this aim has been achieved, they have no idea what to do about the Hamas victory.”

    Other articles worth noting that document the specifics in how Israel incubated Hamas’ current dominance over Gaza to serve its hegemonic interests include Wall Street Journal’s “How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas” and Middle-East analyst Ray Hanania’s “Sharon and Hamas: How the Likud Bloc Mid-wifed the Birth of Hamas.” To confirm this, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Charles Freemen, has stated, “Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet, which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO.” Robert Dreyfuss’ book, “Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam” notes these crucial points that get lost in the minds of both academics and the everyday American. All these points confirm what was noted by Larry Johnson, a counterterrorism official in the US State Department who stated:
    The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.

    Israeli Belligerence is a Catalyst for Expansionism and Western Hegemony
    The purpose in fragmenting the Palestinians is to allow Israel to continue its expansionist aims, creating an Israel with the West Bank as a central part of its territory in the “essence of Zionism” as former Israeli President Ezer Weizman called it; Weizman has also admitted that the 1967 “Six Day War” was launched by Israel not to protect against a non-existent ” threat of annihilation” but to expand the state as many previous commentators have documented. In a piece by Joseph L. Ryan published by the Carnegie Council titled, “The Myth of Annihilation and the Six-Day War”, direct quotations from prominent Israeli leaders during the war, including then-Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin, noted that the idea of annihilation on the eve of June 1967 was a myth concocted in the wake of what was really a war started by Israel, knowing that Gamel Abdel Nasser in Egypt posed no threat. It is through this war that Israel would acquire Gaza and the West Bank.
    Statements by these prominent leaders generated much controversy and debate in Israel, as documented by Ryan, but ultimately the truth could not be denied. Then-General Ezer Weizman, who as chief of operations played a leading role in the 1967 Israeli victory, noted the expansionist motivations behind the war that undoubtedly play a role in current Israeli strategic calculations. Joseph L. Ryan says of Weizman’s confessions in a Haaretz piece:
    Rather, he states categorically, a state does not go to war only when the immediate threat of destruction is hanging over it. At issue, he notes, is not our physical security but the realization of our historical and national interests, our Zionist principles. The western regions of “Eretz Israel,” that is, the West Bank, belong to the essence of Zionism, and without them the Jewish state does not constitute an historical wholeness. (emphasis added)
    Israeli expansionism in turn serves as an outlet for western hegemony and domination over the Middle East. Israel is a convenient, nation-sized “military base” in the Middle East along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both known geopolitical manipulators whose objective is to perpetuate their interests in conjunction with their western financiers, an objective in which a “new Middle East” will be crafted per western hegemony. It must be noted that Retired US Army General and Supreme Allied Commander-Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000, General Wesley Clark, has admitted that following 9/11, the United States was formally hijacked by a policy coup whose objective was to “destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, and bring it under our [US] control.” He criticized this policy coup by stating that the purpose of the military was to deter conflicts, not deliberately provoke them. All these strategic elements of hegemony and global domination must be factored in whenever the newest crisis breaks out in the Middle East and we must not allow ourselves to be subjected to a short-term view of history, confined into neatly packaged presidential administrations.

    Muslim Brotherhood is a Tool of Western Hegemony Against Arab Nationalism
    There may be the urge by some supporters of the “resistance” to tell me that I am spreading “lies against Hamas” designed to discredit it. These would be the critics who, though motivated by legitimate allegiance to the Palestinian struggle are still blind as to the geopolitics at play. Then there are the Israeli critics, which either through ignorance or through disingenuous intent, try to argue that Israel did not directly support and enable Hamas which is clearly not the case.
    But for those who think that I am trying to “discredit Hamas”, know that Hamas has already discredited itself by its own bumbling geopolitical stance, pandering to Saudi Arabia and Qatar and attempting to crush the heart of the Palestinian struggle which was and will always be secular and nationalist, regardless of the individual’s religious beliefs. Hamas was the “Palestinian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood” and on that basis, along with the facts above, we can condemn it and the Brotherhood who are documented historically as having served the interests of the British and the US against secular Arab resistance to western imperialist designs, especially the resistance and ideals of Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt. As Eric Draitser notes:

    The [Muslim Brotherhood] was founded by Hassan al-Banna in 1928 with the intention of reestablishing a purer form of Islam as had existed centuries before. However, this was merely the religious veneer that was created to mask the political intentions of the organization. As explained in the Mother Jones article entitled What is the Muslim Brotherhood and Will It Take Over Egypt?, the author explains that, “The Muslim Brotherhood served as a battering ram against nationalists and communists, despite the Brothers’ Islam-based anti-imperialism, the group often ended up making common cause with the colonial British. It functioned as an intelligence agency, infiltrating left-wing and nationalist groups.”[6] This indisputable fact, that the Muslim Brotherhood functioned, even its early days, as a de facto arm of Western intelligence, is critical to understanding its development and current political power.
    Draitser continues by saying, “As Robert Dreyfuss, author of the Mother Jones article clearly points out, there is ample evidence tying the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood directly to the CIA”:

    By then [1954], the group’s chief international organizer and best-known official was Said Ramadan, the son-in-law of Hassan al-Banna. Ramadan had come to the attention of both the CIA and MI-6, the British intelligence service. In researching my book … I came across an unusual photograph that showed Ramadan with President Eisenhower in the Oval Office. By then, or soon after, Ramadan had likely been recruited as a CIA agent. Wall Street Journal reporter Ian Johnson has since documented the close ties between Ramadan and various Western intelligence services … Johnson writes: ‘By the end of the decade, the CIA was overtly backing Ramadan.

    The Current Connections
    To connect this with Syria today, Tony Cartalucci has written extensively of the implications of Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh’s work on the Middle East in the context of Syria today, citing very prophetic quotes from his New Yorker piece, “The Redirection” that predicted the engineered quagmire today. As Cartalucci revealed, Seymour Hersh notes:

    “To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.” -The Redirection, Seymour Hersh
    And as if to dispel any claims by critics who fail the read the report in its entirety and try to claim that this support is passive and not active, Hersh noted:

    “…[Saudi Arabia's] Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.” -The Redirection, Seymour Hersh
    Considering the havoc Islamist extremists have wrought on Syria, Assad was strategically correct when he recently alluded to Hamas by speaking out against those who “wear the mask of resistance” to serve their own objectives and the need to differentiate between the real resistance that is the people of Gaza and Hamas on an organizational level. Hamas is not to be trusted and neither the Muslim Brotherhood or Islamists. Any organization who claims that its role is to accomplish the “Islamization” of Palestine is essentially no different than Israel and its “Judaizing” agenda (even though Zionism is fundamentally incompatible with Judaism and was an outgrowth of secular colonialist ideals during the “Enlightenment”). A friend of mine has recently stated that a Palestinian Christian told him, “Palestine was stolen from me twice; first by the Israelis and second by Hamas.”
    It is for this unreliability and suspicion of Hamas that President Assad called Hamas “uninvited guests” to the table of the Palestinian peace process according to leaked cables obtained by Wikileaks in 2010. A revealing December 2010 LA-Times article, “Syria’s Assad seems to suggest backing for Hamas negotiable, leaked cables say,” written quite prophetically three months before the NATO-Saudi-Muslim Brotherhood backed uprising began in March 2011, noted that:

    Syrian President Bashar Assad described Hamas as an ‘uninvited guest’ in his country in confidential conversations with American lawmakers…Although Syria has forged strategic alliances with ideologically driven, Iranian-backed movements such as Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and Hamas, Damascus continues to view the rise of political Islam as one of its primary internal threats. Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal has resided in Damascus since 2001, but such a blunt assessment of the group by Assad hasn’t been made public before. (Emphasis added)

    Whatever you may think of Assad, he was right in his judgment on this issue. Hamas and anybody who receives funding from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the Muslim Brotherhood are to be treated with suspicions as subversives of western interests. The “Israel versus Hamas” stunt is part of an orchestrated geopolitical theater, a theater of death designed to keep the political hamster wheel spinning in the tumultuous world of the Middle East, ultimately bolstering Israeli strategic objectives and more specifically, their western supporters who use it as their military base in the Middle East. When violence broke out between Israel and Hamas in 2012, Tony Cartalucci noted:


    While US representatives frequently meet in Doha, Qatar to support and continue propping up the political front serving as cover for Western, Saudi, and Qatari backed terrorists in Syria, Qatar’s unelected leader-for-life, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, has slinked in and out of Gaza to pour 250 million dollars into Hamas just before the latest Israeli-Hamas violence broke out…It is documented that since 2007 the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia have been colluding to arm and unleash sectarian extremists, both Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, against their collective enemies across the region. With the West using Qatar as a base of operations, not only to continuously prop up the so-called “Syrian National Council,” but to base the corporate-funded Brookings Institution think-tank’s Doha Center, are we to believe that Qatar is not-so-secretly trying to destroy Israel right under America’s nose? Without condemnation or protest from the US or any of its co-conspirators?

    The Current Catastrophe
    Keep in mind that Qatar was not sanctioned by the west as Syria was for “harboring” Hamas following Hamas’ departure from Syria when Khaled Masahl took up residence in Doha. The clear history of US-Israeli-Saudi cooperation with the Islamic right-wing against Arab states that threaten western hegemony is indicative of this. However, just because I criticize Hamas organizationally does not mean I disregard the Palestinian’s right for a better life. Even though Israel created Hamas to divide Palestinians, Hamas is nonetheless a multi-faceted movement that has been working towards moderation and participation in the political process which in turn may dilute and render ineffective the seditious forces of the Brotherhood which the imperialists seek to exploit. The fact that Hamas recently formed a “unity government” with the secular Palestinian Authority was seen as a threat to the objective that Israel intended for it to serve. And so to destabilize any “peace offensive” by the Palestinians, Israel deliberately provoked the recent crisis by covering up the murder of three Israeli teens in order to falsely blame Hamas, launch a brutal crackdown, and fragment Palestinian unity and hope. Keep in mind that there is no evidence Hamas was responsible; in fact, an ISIS-affiliated group, backed by US allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, claimed responsibility.
    What is going on in Gaza has nothing to do with rockets or “tunnels” but everything to do with crushing the Palestinians as a people and subjecting them to the foot of American and Israeli hegemony. Israel is an imperialist, colonial power and we must realize that such things are admitted, as Steve Chovanec has pointed out, by even pre-eminent scholars of Israel like Zeev Maoz, a Professor of Political Science and Director of the Correlates of War Project at the University of California, Davis, as well as Distinguished Fellow at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel and former Academic Director of the M.A. program of the National Defense College of the IDF (1990–1994), In “Defending the Homeland” Maoz notes,


    “Most of the wars in which Israel was involved were the result of deliberate Israeli aggressive design. None of these wars – with the possible exception of the 1948 War of independence – was what Israel refers to as Milhemet Ein Berah (war of necessity). They were all wars of choice.” (emphasis added)
    “I review a number of peace-related opportunities ranging from the Zionist-Hashemite collusion in 1947 through the collapse of the Oslo Process in 2000. In all those cases I find that Israeli decision makers – who had been willing to embark upon bold and daring military adventures – were extremely reluctant to make even the smallest concessions for peace. I also find in many cases Israel was engaged in systematic violations of agreements and tacit understandings between itself and its neighbors.”
    No article has better expressed what his happening now in Gaza better than this one by Steve Chovanec titled, “Is Israel’s Assault on Gaza a Response to Hamas Rockets? Would Cessation of Rockets from Gaza Stop the Atrocities?” In it, Chovanec deconstructs the mainstream media fabrications surrounding the recent conflagration and the red herring that is the rocket attacks. It is demonstrated that Israel initiated the hostilities, falsely blaming Hamas for the death of three Israeli teenagers, suppressing knowledge of their deaths for several days to whip up public support for a brutal crackdown in the West Bank and subsequent and deliberate provocations in the Gaza to which Hamas initially showed restraint. It is clear then that Israel’s unprovoked war is the highest war crime that can be committed as the situation continues to escalate.
    Israel’s perpetual belligerence is the author of its own destruction, along with the corporate-oligarchs who dictate world affairs, and it is taking down the rest of the Middle East with it.
    May a new people’s resistance prevail and may it prevail in a pragmatic means.
    May it prevail through the means of peace, nonviolent resistance, the dispersion of information, and in the means of self-sufficiency. May it prevail in true national independence and progress outside the vulture claws of both imperialism and the shortcomings of the Arab leaders.


    Sam Muhho is a student of history at Florida State College at Jacksonville (FSCJ) and is an advocate of anti-imperialism and anti-globalism. He can be reached at smuhho1@gmail.com .
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/hamas-palestine-and-the-geopolitics-of-resistance/5395333




    Gaza and the Politics of “Greater Israel”
    By Nile Bowie
    Global Research, November 17, 2012
    Region: Middle East & North Africa
    Theme: Politics and Religion
    In-depth Report: PALESTINE



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    “The Bible finds no worse image than this of the man from the desert. And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases. The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won’t allow him any compromise or agreement. It doesn’t matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetual war. Israel’s must be the same. The two states solution doesn’t exist; there are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population… there is no Palestinian people, so you don’t create a state for an imaginary nation… they only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews.” [1]- Benzion Netanyahu

    The Israeli bombardment of Gaza being perpetuated under ‘Operation Pillar of Defense’ comes at an interesting time. Under the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, the expansion of illegal Jewish settlements into Palestinian lands has increased at unprecedented rates. Netanyahu’s administration has approved the construction of 850 settler homes in the occupied West Bank in June 2012, even after the Israeli parliament rejected a bill to retroactively legalize some of the existing homes in the area. [2] The number of Jewish settlers in the West Bank has almost doubled in the past 12 years, with more than 350,000 residing illegally under international law. [3] While Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman asserts Tel Aviv’s unwillingness to permit Palestinians any right to return to their lands, emphasizing, “not even one refugee,” apartheid enforced on ethnic and religious lines has become a ratified part of Israeli government policy. [4] Far-right political discourse that was once considered extremism is now the status quo in Israel.


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    While Netanyahu publically announced support for a Palestinian state on the West Bank, his government has threaten to end the Oslo Accords if the United Nations General Assembly granted Palestine with non-member observer state status. [5] A panel of Israeli jurists assembled by Netanyahu’s government to determine the legal status of the West Bank concluded that there is “no occupation” of Palestinian lands and that the continued construction of settlement outposts are entirely legal under Israeli law, despite critical international opinion. Netanyahu’s far right-conservative Likud party was established on the philosophy of Ze’ev Jabotinksy, who called for the establishment of a ‘Greater Israel,’ a concept embraced by Israeli historian Benzion Netanyahu, the father of today’s Prime Minister. Under his fathers influence, Benjamin Netanyahu was indoctrinated in the ideological foundations of Revisionist Zionism, which promote Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria (Palestine) and the full biblical land of Israel by contemporary Jews, an oil rich landmass extending from the banks of the Nile River in Egypt to the shores of the Euphrates.

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    As rocket fire hits Tel Aviv for the first time since the Gulf War, the ongoing siege of Gaza must be seen as what it is – a premeditated component of Israeli expansionism. Netanyahu was a zealous supporter of former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s 2008-2009 sieges on Gaza known as ‘Operation Cast Lead,’ which killed over 1,400 Palestinians, while Israel suffered only 13 causalities. [6] On November 14, 2012, Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) launched an offensive into the Hamas-controlled Gaza strip and began announcing their progress through an official Twitter account. IDF forces assassinated a prominent Hamas military commander, Ahmed Jabari, who was allegedly in possession of a draft copy of a permanent truce agreement with Israel. [7] The agreement included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of future military exchanges between Israel and the Hamas-led political factions of the Gaza Strip. Militants from the armed wing of Hamas in Gaza retaliated by firing rockets into Israeli territory, a large percentage of which were intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome air defense system.

    Benjamin Netanyahu used this retaliation to claim the moral high ground by warning that he will take “whatever action is necessary” to stop further rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. [8] IDF officials have called on 30,000 reservists to prepare for a possible extended ground incursion into Gaza, as IDF forces indiscriminately kill civilians attempting to strike Palestinian aerial and naval targets. [9] The Obama administration has condemned Hamas for perpetuating violence, while Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood government led by Mohamed Morsi recalled Egypt’s ambassador from Tel Aviv. Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil arrived in Gaza after the second day of Israeli attacks in a show of support for Palestine. Through ‘Operation Pillar of Defense,’ Israel is targeting the military foundations of Hamas, while attempting to portray itself as a victim in the international media. IDF forces dropped thousands of Orwellian leaflets over Gaza, urging citizens to take responsibility for their own safety, due to Hamas “once again dragging the region to violence and bloodshed.” [10]

    Despite Israel targeting the elected Hamas government of Gaza, an article in the Wall Street Journal titled, “How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas,” cites a former Israeli official who claims that Israel encouraged the formation of Islamist groups to counterbalance secular nationalists affiliated with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The Israeli government even officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya as a charity group, allowing it to build mosques and an Islamic university. [11] Israel cooperated with the influential Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, who was opposed to secular Palestinian activists, as he spearheaded the Sunni Islamist movement that became Hamas. In late October 2012, Gaza’s Hamas government received Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, for an official visit. As part of an aid development package, Al-Thani granted Hamas $400 million, at least $150 million of which will go towards a housing project in southern Gaza – it would be reasonable to assume that large portions of that aid would be invested in defense. [12]

    The support given to Hamas by Qatar must be understood through the context of its engagement in Syria. The New York Times articled titled, “Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria,” states that the arms being shipped to Syria by Saudi Arabia and Qatar are being used to bolster jihadists and al-Qaeda affiliated groups attempting to topple the government of Bashar al-Assad. [13] Qatar has held numerous meetings of US-backed Syrian opposition leaders and hosts a critical American military air base at Al-Udeid, west of the capital, Doha. Qatar has also allowed the establishment of a Brooking Institute center on its territory. Brookings’ Saban Center for Middle East Policy published "Saving Syria: Assessing Options for Regime Change" in March 2012, and the directives described in the report have ostensibly become the policy of allied Western and Gulf countries aiming to topple the Syrian government. The Saban Center that published the report was established in 2002 when Israeli-American mogul Haim Saban pledged nearly $13 million to the Brookings Institution in an attempt to influence pro-Israeli policy. [14]

    Despite paying lip service to the Palestinian cause, Qatar is supporting policy engineered to give Israel a pretext to consolidate its power. Both Qatar and Saudi Arabia have cooperated with the United States and Israel by exporting the Salafist ideology that is so prominent among radical rebel fighters in Hamas and the Free Syrian Army, and using their enormous oil wealth to fund and arm these movements. An unapologetic Op-Ed written by Israeli columnist Guy Bechor titled, “Dangers of a Palestinian state,” bemoans the possibility of an independent Palestine, in fear of the nation becoming a hub for extremist violence:

    “A sovereign Palestinian state will immediately absorb 700,000 Palestinians who are living in terrible conditions in Syria, another 750,000 Palestinians who currently live in Lebanon and hundreds of thousands of others who will flock to the new state from all over, because to them the West Bank and Israel are America – just ask the African infiltrators. Due to the ‘Arab Spring,’ Syria and Lebanon would gladly kick the Palestinians out, and the Palestinian state would welcome them with open arms in order to change the demographic reality on the ground. Qatar and Saudi Arabia would fund the entire exodus.
    Thus, the Palestinian state would become one of the most densely populated areas in the world and pose a direct security and demographic threat to Israel. In other words, in the near future we may see hundreds of thousands of Palestinians settling in the West Bank. Some of them are among the most dangerous people in the Middle East: Salafis, members of armed Syrian and Lebanese militias, as well as members of various jihadi groups. They will settle in places that overlook Haifa, Tel Aviv, Ben Gurion Airport and Jerusalem. The demographic balance in this region will be changed forever. Our lives will become a Syrian-style nightmare.” [15]


    In 1952, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan spoke ardently of Tel Aviv’s ultimate goal, the creation of ‘an Israeli empire’ – today, Netanyahu has led his administration with megalomaniacal hubris, and has emphasized a messianic-catastrophic worldview where Israel is “the eternal nation.” [16] Indeed, a Salafist-dominated Palestine would cause troubles for Israel, and it provides a much-needed pretext for Israel to militarily engage with Palestine groups, with the eventual goal of recapturing their land for Jewish settlement. ‘Operation Pillar of Defense,’ launched just months away from Israel’s elections, is a calculated component of the Netanyahu government’s strategy to topple Hamas and continue absorbing Palestinian territory. Decades of occupation and apartheid have shaped the current scenario; Israel has dehumanized an entire people by seizing their land and forcing them into prison-like ghettoes. Adherents to political Zionism have shown contempt for a genuine political solution to the Palestinian conflict, and the Netanyahu administration is poised to crush all opposition to the Jewish state.

    Amid reports of rocket fire striking Jerusalem, it is clear that the Israeli response will be swift and unforgiving. While the historic plight of the Palestinian people cannot be ignored, the conduct of Hamas is counter-productive and radical, despite the Israeli firepower being exponentially more destructive. The siege on Gaza is an impetus to consider Henry Kissinger’s prediction, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.” Sixteen US intelligence agencies that collectively issued an 82-page analysis titled, “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East,” concluded that Netanyahu’s Likud coalition has enthusiastically condoned and supported illegal settlements, while enforcing an apartheid-style infrastructure upon Palestinians. [17] Israel, the only nuclear-armed country in the Middle East, has all the attributes of an international pariah state and its current path is unmaintainable. If Israel devastates Gaza, the backlash would create momentum that threatens the very existence of the Jewish state. Under Bibi’s watch, Israel will either continue to enforce the ideological tenants of political Zionism on its neighbors, or die trying.

    Notes
    [1] Received Wisdom? How the Ideology of Netanyahu’s Late Father Influenced the Son, TIME, May 02, 2012
    [2] Israel to build more West Bank homes, Al-Jazeera, June 07, 2012
    [3] Population of Jewish settlements in West Bank up 15,000 in a year, The Guardian, July 26, 2012
    [4] Lieberman: Netanyahu’s stance on 1967 borders reflects viewpoint of most Israelis, Haaretz, May 23, 2011
    [5] Israel: We will annul Oslo Accords if Palestinians seek upgraded UN status, Haaretz, November 14, 2012
    [6] Israel to take ‘whatever action necessary’ to stop Gaza rocket fire, The Telegraph, November 12, 2012
    [7] Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce, Haaretz, November 15, 2012
    [8] Israel to take ‘whatever action necessary’ to stop Gaza rocket fire, The Telegraph, November 12, 2012
    [9] IDF calling up 30,000 reserves ahead of possible Gaza ground operation, The Times of Israel

    [10] Operation Pillar of Defense: IDF Disperses Leaflets Above Gaza Strip, IDF Blog, November 15, 2012

    [11] How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas, The Wall Street Journal, January 24, 2009
    [12] Qatari ruler uses historic Gaza visit to call on Palestinian factions to unite, The Times of Israel, October 23, 2012
    [13] Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria, The New York Times, October 14, 2012
    [14] Humanitarian Buffer Zones in Syria: How Misinformation Obscures the Israel Lobby’s Influence on U.S. Foreign Policy, Dissident Voice, October 16, 2012
    [15] Dangers of a Palestinian state, YNet, November 13, 2012
    [16] As Netanyahu pushes Israel closer to war with Iran, Israelis cannot… Haaretz, August 03, 2012
    [17] Kissinger, US intelligence community endorse “World Without Israel,” PressTV, September 30, 2012

    Nile Bowie is a Kuala Lumpur-based American writer and photographer for the Centre for Research on Globalization in Montreal, Canada. He explores issues of terrorism, economics and geopolitics.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-the-politics-of-greater-israel/5312107



    Today Gaza, Tomorrow Iran?
    By Muriel Mirak-Weissbach
    Global Research, August 09, 2014
    Region: Middle East & North Africa
    Theme: US NATO War Agenda
    In-depth Report: IRAN: THE NEXT WAR?, PALESTINE



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    As again a ceasefire comes and goes between Hamas and Israel, “to be followed by negotiations,” one cannot evade the feeling of déjà vu. It is not only the ritual announcements but the modus operandi of the war that comes across as already experienced. During this month-long war, as in 2008-2009, the aggression began with a pretext and unfolded with brutal force against civilian targets. First Gaza was cordoned off (for 18 months back in 2008, this time for 7 years), its border closed, its people penned up inside what Cardinal Renato Raffaele Martino from Justitia et Pax in the earlier conflict called a “concentration camp”; then the assault began.
    In addition to the officially designated military targets (rocket launchers and tunnels), a host of other locations said to be housing militants and/or munitions came under massive artillery fire and aerial bombardments.
    In the 2008 conflict, all important Palestinian institutions were destroyed, 16 government offices, 25 schools, medical facilities, 20 mosques, 1500 stores and workshops and 4100 private homes. The Palestinian Human Rights Center counted 1417 Gaza residents among the dead, including 236 combatants and 255 security personnel. Other sources reported 416 children killed and 106 women, up to 6000 wounded, among them 1855 children and 795 women. Also at that time, UN installations came under fire, including UNWRA schools where civilians had sought refuge. These installations carried clearly visible UN blue and white markings, and UN authorities had repeatedly informed the Israelis of their locations and functions as refugee shelters. Not only civilians but also UN personnel were among the dead.

    This time around, the precise figures will be available only after the smoke has cleared, remaining bodies have been recovered and the wounded rescued. As of the August 4th ceasefire announcement, at least 1,875 Palestinians and 64 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians had died. The Palestinian dead included 430 children and a further 9,600 Palestinians were wounded. UNICEF estimated that 373,000 Gaza children, traumatized by the war, needed immediate psychological help.
    Up to 10,000 homes were destroyed, in addition to schools, hospitals, water and energy infrastructure, etc. About 65,000 were homeless. Ban ki-Moon, visiting what remained of the UN headquarters in 2009 was “just appalled” at the “outrageous and totally unacceptable attack” against the UN. This time, he said, “the massive deaths and destruction in Gaza have shocked and shamed the world,” and insisted on ending “the senseless cycle of suffering.” Christopher Gunness, spokesman of UNRWA, earlier charged that the killing of civilians in a school in Beit Lahiya might constitute “war crimes,” and this August the same man broke down in front of TV cameras. UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay told the General Assembly on August 6 that “any attacks in violation of these principles [of international law] … may amount to war crimes.” Flags flew at half-mast throughout UN facilities.
    The behavior of political leaders in the US and Europe initially echoed that of their predecessors six years ago; Israel’s “right to self-defense” had priority over all else, but officials should “do their very best to protect civilians.” It was only after Israel’s government had rejected pleas for moderation that official criticism of Israel’s aggression escalation to outright condemnation and the US apparently resorted to ultimatums, which opened the way for a 72-hour pause.


    Strategic target: Iran

    These parallels between the two wars, in form and content, are obvious even to the superficial observer. What is not so evident is the strategic thinking behind Israel’s periodic punitive missions against the people of Gaza. Anyone with an elementary grasp of modern warfare must acknowledge that Hamas and the armed factions in Gaza represent no existential threat to Israel – no matter how many rockets may reach Israeli territory or how many militants may crawl through underground tunnels. Israel enjoys total military superiority, both in conventional terms of weaponry and numbers of armed forces, and in respect to its nuclear capability.
    The same cannot be said of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which is the actual target. This statement also smacks of déjà-vu, since I have written about it on previous occasions. (See http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-target-is-iran-israel-s-latest-gamble-may-backfire/11747) At the risk of sounding repetitious, it is worth reviewing the concept in light of recent events.
    To understand how Iran figures as the ultimate target, one has to consider Netanyahu’s Palestinian policy in the context of his regional strategic outlook.

    Current Israeli policy emerges from the strategic doctrine known as the “Clean Break.” It was elaborated under the auspices of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in Jerusalem, and written by a task force under Dick Cheney, which included neocons Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and wife Meyrav, among others. One of a series of strategic blueprints that Cheney et al commissioned from 1992 on in the wake of the end of the Cold War, this paper applied the broader doctrine of Anglo-American global hegemony to the Middle East region. The fundamental premise, announced in its title, was that Israel must make a “clean break” with the 1993 Oslo Accords, and revert to “a peace process (sic) and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reforms.” (http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm).

    The document, which deserves to be read in full, details how Israel should secure its northern border:



    “Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which America can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hezbollah, Syria and Iran, as the principal agents in Lebanon….”

    In addition, proxy Israeli forces might attack Syria from Lebanon, going after Syrian sites in both countries. The document proposes Israeli cooperation with Turkey and Jordan to shape the regional environment by weakening Assad and “can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.” Regarding Palestine, it said: “Israel has a chance to forge a new relationship between itself and the Palestinians. First and foremost, Israel’s efforts to secure its streets may require hot pursuit into Palestinian controlled areas, a justifiable practice with which Americans can sympathize….”

    In 1996, when Netanyahu became prime minister, he adopted the “clean break” doctrine as his own, but it was not until the neocons returned to power in Washington, and following the shock of 9/11, that it became operational. In 2003, the AngloAmerican war against Iraq did succeed in removing Saddam Hussein from power. In 2005, the Hariri murder laid the ground for “regime change by other means” in Lebanon and set Syria up for attack. The following year, Israel waged war on Lebanon, hoping to eliminate Hezbollah, as specified in the document. and in 2008 it bombed a site in Syria which it claimed was a nuclear installation.


    Nuclear negotiations and conventional wars

    In light of the “clean break” doctrine, every Israeli aggression in the region assumes a strategic intent, whether successfully achieved or not. Attacks against Hezbollah and Hamas have repeatedly occurred as preludes to contemplated moves against the ultimate enemy image, which is Iran. And the timing of these attacks dovetails with strategically significant developments in the relations between Tehran and the West, explicitly regarding the nuclear issue.
    For example, the 2008-2009 Gaza war broke out following two years of international debate around the question of whether or not the US and/or Israel should defeat Iran’s presumed nuclear ambitions by bombing designated sites. The National Intelligence Estimate that appeared in late 2007 stated that Iran had not any military nuclear program since 2003, which should have had the effect of defusing Israeli plans for attack. However, following the report, Israel requested bunker busters from the US. In a New York Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagew)
    David E. Sanger reported that then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other officials convinced Bush not to deliver them, on grounds that it could ignite regional war. Forces in the region that they expected to react if Iran were hit, included Shi’ite communities in the Arab Gulf states, as well as Hezbollah and Hamas.


    It stands to reason that if Israel were to pursue an attack against Iran, it would seek to remove or at neutralize the most significant Iranian-backed forces in the region first, i.e. Hezbollah and Hamas. In fact, it was this consideration that was probably decisive in the Israeli decision to go to war in Lebanon in 2006, as well as the motivation behind its aggression in Gaza at the end of 2008. Significantly, one leading neocon in the US made the point explicitly. John Bolton, former US ambassador to the UN, said on December 31, 2008 that the Gaza campaign was a stepping-stone toward war against the Islamic Republic. As FOX news reported, he stated: “I don’t think there’s anything at this point standing between Iran and nuclear weapons other than the possibility of the use of military force possibly by the United States, possibly by Israel.” He added: “So while our focus obviously is on Gaza now, this could turn out to be a much larger conflict. We’re looking at potentially a multi-front war.” Ten days later Daniel Luban wrote on antiwar.com that the neocons viewed the Gaza war as a proxy war against Iran.

    There is good reason to believe Israel’s current war against Gaza aimed at preparing the terrain for finally launching its military campaign against Iran’s nuclear installations. Several factors contribute to this suggestion. Iran has been and remains Israel’s perceived strategic adversary number one. At various inflection points in the international debate about Iran’s nuclear program, Israeli’s leadership has reiterated its commitment to prevent Tehran from acquiring the capacity to produce nuclear weapons. This does not mean preventing their production, but denying Iran the technological know-how to be able to do so, if desired. The same reasoning was behind the years-long campaign by Israeli special operations to identify, target and eliminate Iraqi scientists who might possess such expertise.
    For as long as it appeared that talks between the West (P5+1) and Iran were stalled and the sanctions regime not only continued but was progressively expanded, Israeli war threats were on hold. Then, with the minor, but significant breakthroughs in the most recent round of talks, the alarm bells went off in Tel Aviv. In November 2013 when negotiators announced an interim deal, Netanyahu denounced it as a “historic mistake” whose result would make the world “a much more dangerous place.” He said Israel would not feel bound by it.

    In January and February 2014 during Knesset joint committee meetings on defense, it emerged that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon had ordered the IDF to make preparations for a possible strike on Iran during 2014. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.580701) Speaking to AIPAC in March, Netanyahu made clear that his view was that Iran should be deprived of all nuclear programs. He said that “letting Iran enrich uranium would open the floodgates. That must not happen. And we will make sure it does not happen.” Ya’alon, according to the same Haaretz article, had told a Tel Aviv university crowd that he now favored a unilateral Israeli strike, given that he believed the US would not go ahead.


    Michel Chossudovsky elaborated on the implications of the Ha’aretz article, demonstrating that if Israel did not get the green light from Washington that it desired, it could go ahead to fire the first shot, as a “proxy” for the US. Even if the Obama government remained critical, still the Pentagon’s war plans would not change. (See (http://www.globalresearch.ca/an-attack-on-iran-is-still-on-the-pentagons-drawing-board-israel-prepares-to-launch-the-first-strike/5374475)
    Pro-Netanyahu lawmakers in Washington proved that this was the case. Texas Senator Ted Cruz told the Spring National Leadership Meeting of JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security), that if Iran were to continue progress on its nuclear program, “I have real confidence that the nation of Israel will act to preserve her national security, even if this administration will not act first.” Though declining to reveal details of his May meeting with Netanyahu in Israel, he recommended, “We should act rather than forcing Israel to act.” (http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/cruz-israel-strike-against-iran-could-happen-in-a-matter-of-months/)

    At the annual Herzliya Conference in Tel Aviv in June 2014, Israeli leaders acknowledged the seriousness of the P5+1 talks. Israeli-Iranian relations, or rather tensions, were a central concern at that conference. Brigadier-General Itai Brun, the chief analyst for military intelligence, mooted the signing of a “permanent nuclear deal” between Iran “and the world powers” before the end of the year, and acknowledged Iran was abiding by current agreements. The Israeli minister responsible for nuclear affairs, Yuval Steinitz, said he feared any agreement whereby Iran would still maintain a “threshold” capacity. Expressing opposition to the interim deal, he said he did not support extending the talks, but would prefer that to any agreement that kept the same “holes” as the interim deal. (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/09/uk-iran-nuclear-israel-idUKKBN0EK1D620140609) Anthony Cordesman urged Israelis at Herzliya not to strike Iran unilaterally, and recommended that they not assume a deal with Tehran would fail even before any such agreement came into being. US Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro promised attendants that the Obama government was committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and to guaranteeing their program would remain peaceful. Yet Ya’akov Amidror, former Israeli National Security advisor, insisted that Iran would not give up and that therefore Israel had to remain prepared. (http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140608/DEFREG04/306080015/US-Analyst-Warns-Israel-Unilateral-Attack-Iran-Better-Damn-Well-Successful-)

    Further talks with Iran were to conclude by July 20, but the deadline was extended for another four months. Perspectives for real progress were real. Tom Donilan of CFR characterized the negotiations as the most important since 1979! Commentators in Germany noted that Israel was losing trust in its American ally and feared Washington would compromise with Iran. In the US, though virtually ignored by the major press, pro-Netanyahu groups launched a vigorous campaign to pressure Congress to pass yet more stringent sanctions. Meanwhile the war had broken out.


    Gaza as a test case

    There is another viewpoint from which to consider the Gaza war as preparatory to an anti-Iran move, and that is psychological. Many observers were shocked to see how far Netanyahu and his military would go even despite the increasingly harsh reprimands from Washington, whether in leaked telephone conversations or in public statements. Though belated, the criticism issued by German President Gauck, by UNHCR Commissioner Navi Pillay, who spoke of war crimes, by the State Department, etc. finally drew the red line. Was this a test to see how far an Israeli military campaign could proceed before the friendly superpower would say “enough”?


    The link between Israel’s Gaza campaign and its Iran policy emerged in press reports. As Tom Rogan put it in the National Review, Israeli operations were not only directed at Hamas; “They’re about broadcasting specific capabilities,” to wit: “The IDF is demonstrating its capability for large-scale operations: the kind or air campaign necessary to attack Iran’s nuclear infrastructure.” He added, this was Netanyahu’s way of warning the US, Russia and Europe that he would not tolerate what he considered a “weak” agreement with Iran. (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/382344/its-not-just-about-hamas-tom-rogan) And TIME magazine also noted that “some analysts believe that Israel uses confrontations like this one to send a message to Tehran….” (http://time.com/2977228/israel-iran-hamas/)


    In an interview to Breitbart News published on July 16, as the war was raging and the nuclear talks had not yet been extended, Michael Oren, a former Israeli ambassador to the US, spoke openly of the perspective of “taking on” Iran next. Considering “the possibility that Iranian nuclear negotiations go into a prolonged state, and expire,” he said, “I don’t think Israel wants to be fighting in Gaza at the same time that we take on Iran.” He thus argued against reoccupying Gaza. Oren reiterated that Israel had always said it would act unilaterally against a perceived Iranian threat, and Breitbart commented, “The possibility of an Israeli pre-emptive strike without American approval may have increased during the Gaza conflict, as the US has called for a ceasefire rather than offering full support from the outset to Israel’s response to Hamas strikes.” (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/16/Oren-Israel-May-Take-on-Iran-when-Nuclear-Talks-Expire )

    Now that yet another ceasefire has collapsed, the dangers of broader conflict are increasing. To prevent further escalation to catastrophe, the “clean break” doctrine for Israeli regional hegemony has to be trashed, and a radically new approach must replace it. This requires political upheaval on a major scale. Michel Chossudovsky’s recommendation to the Israeli people is more relevant than ever: “Remove Netanyahu, call for peace in the Middle East, implement ‘regime change’ in Tel Aviv.”

    Muriel Mirak-Weissbach is the author of Through the Wall of Fire: Armenia, Iraq, Palestine: From Wrath to Reconciliation. She can be reached at mirak.weissbach@googlemail.com
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