The Factuals versus the OABS (Old Age BullShit)

admin · Sep 16, 2015

Live Kryon Channelling
Salt Lake City, Utah
JULY 18, 2015
As channelled by Lee Carroll for Kryon

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LIVE KRYON CHANNELLING
"THE BIGGEST FILTER OF ALL"

This live channelling was given in Salt Lake City, Utah
July 18, 2015

To help the reader, this channelling has been revisited [by Lee and Kryon] to provide even clearer understanding. Sometime information is even added. Often what happens live has implied energy within it, which carries a kind of communication that the printed page does not. So enjoy this enhanced message given in Salt Lake City.

Greetings, dear ones, I am Kryon of Magnetic Service. It sometimes takes a moment or two for you to move into an area of consciousness that would allow for something like this [the channelling]. So many times, we have asked, "Is the man in the chair channelling or just giving his own opinion out of channel? Is the process that is claimed to be here actually here? Is there a door that is opened to Spirit at this moment or not?"

The answer is unique to each of you, and it is about your individual perception. We've talked about the many Human filters*, and we've even revealed some Akashic filters.** These are some of the things that would keep you from recognizing Spirit, or the things that would keep you from recognizing basic truth, simply because of what you've learned in the past. Is this real or not?

Knowledge is this way. It has helped you many times, but not always. For instance, again: Is this channelling real? You must discern and validate the process of channelling before you ever can believe this message. You have free choice, dear Human, to discern if this is accurate and true or not. It's going to be important that you do this here, within this particular message, for I am going to give you some science and also some revelations of poor thinking. All of this is a benevolent push for you to recognize some things that are coming, and perhaps change the way that you think.

The Biggest Filter that Hinders Truth is Your Biased Knowledge

The biggest filter of humanity, the one that keeps Humans from actual truth, believe it or not, is called knowledge. We speak of that which humanity perceives currently as knowledge. That which you do not know is, therefore, future knowledge. Now, every single scientist understands the difference - every single one - for they know what is coming is going to teach them what they don't know yet. This is part of the scientific process. Even so, they take what they know, or think they know, and completely let it temper the experiments for what they don't know. They base the future on what they know or believe, even though they know better!

A medical doctor will look in the past and he'll remember being taught about a time when humans would report to the barbershop for healing. That's when they would actually bleed people for healing. By the way, that's the reason for the barber pole having the red stripe on it - it's the tradition of barbers doing the bleeding. So back then, you went to get healed in the barbershop by being bled! This, of course, led to many deaths because there was no understanding of germs, sterilization or today's common sense. Doctors know this, and they laugh at how far you all have come from this. So doctors absolutely know that what is coming will someday be actually laughable, yet they are also absolutely and completely closed to what it might be. They just think it will be an advancement of what they currently know.

This bias is the same for almost all industry, too. A computer scientist loves the advancements - all happening so fast! In his case, he expects things from what he has seen only in the past few years. Therefore, he will predict what is going to happen using a model of what has happened so far, such as better electronics for increasing speeds in processing, size and memory capacity. Let me give you a hint of where it's going, which he has no model for in his short history. Fifty years from now, there will still be computers, but they will be completely and totally different. Instead of changing electronic chips, you will change life chips. There will be parts of computing that must have life to work. Bio-computing is the wave of the future. By the way, this gives a whole new meaning to your computer catching a virus. [Laughter] It's coming; it has to.

There will be a combination of circuitry and live, reproducing biology that is grown on a chip. This will enhance computing power and memory and what you think of as a "computer" will be very different. What you ask a computer to do today will be laughed at compared to what you ask for it to do in 50 years. You may actually name a computer in the future, as you now do a pet! You will have to "feed" it! But the computer will still exist. You don't know what you don't know so, therefore, it's Human nature to take what you do know and extrapolate what to expect.

I'm going to speak of five areas. In the process, I'll reveal some new information and potentials, even about that which is metaphysical knowledge.

Physics - Sticking To The Known

Physicists are among the kinds of scientists who expect change through discovery, and who absolutely know that they are unaware of how everything works. It comes with the territory of being a physicist. Yet the mistakes they make in their bias are the same as the computer scientist. They take their truth from known absolute physics in 3D and then apply this truth to everything they don't know.

I point to the revelation and the discoveries of astronomer Vera Rubin. When she found out that stars that orbit the middle of your galaxy don't behave within the gravitational laws of Newton or the laws of planetary motion from Kepler, it was a major discovery. Your solar system moves around the sun in highly definable 3D laws of motion. The objects that are further away from the sun go slower. The ones closer to the sun go faster. However, her discovery showed that stars orbiting the galaxy had this reversed! The stars that are further away from the middle go faster. What she discovered was that all of the stars go the same speed in relationship to the middle, like they were pasted on a plate, all revolving together around the center. They do not follow the rules of the physics that you know.

So, what did the physicists and astronomers do with this major new information? Instead of seeing a brand new paradigm, they instead used Newton's laws and computed what would have to be "out there" to make this happen. Dark matter! It had to be mysterious, invisible matter that was creating this very strange and enormous new Newtonian attribute. Instead of looking at this and saying, "There is a new law of physics happening here that we don't yet know about," they kept it within the Newton box and renamed it, "Altered Newtonian Physics". That's funny! That's like a situation when you discovered the earth was round and called it the "Altered Flat-Earth Principle"!

Newton's name is still attached, but his 3D laws have nothing to do with anything Ruben discovered. Dark matter does not exist! It's a made-up energy to satisfy an old law that doesn't apply! Instead, there is a new law of physics that you haven't seen yet. It's a multidimensional law having to do with modified entanglement. Modified entangled objects are created because of what is in the middle of the galaxy. The immense push-pull twin energy at the middle of each galaxy is not simplistic like your sun is to your own solar system. It does not have Kepler rules, since it's not mass that's just orbiting naturally. Yet, you think it is, since it looks similar: The galaxy has stars circling it in space. Someday, you'll slap your heads in revelation of what you did with this, and you will change the rules.

Now to esoteric astronomy: Look what you've done with the idea that you came from the Pleiadians. There are some scientists laughing right now who smugly say that the mythology of the Pleiadians being your seed biology is simply not possible. It's not possible because of astronomical history, and what they now know about the constellation itself.

Pleiadian Connection - Mythology?

Let's talk about the Pleiadian system, the Seven Sisters. Let's talk about the truth of it, and then let's discuss what science says is the mythology of it. We will tell you what you don't see and don't comprehend, simply because of your existing knowledge.

You call this constellation the Seven Sisters [M45]. The physical facts are that there are hundreds of stars in this Pleiades group. Circling these stars is a nebula (dust particles and gas). This creates a wonderful blue tinge that you can see in the heavens on a clear night. With distance and atmospheric attributes against you, the naked eye can only perceive what appears to be seven stars (or clusters), hence the name Seven Sisters. However, there are actually nine when you use a telescope. Each of the nine have been identified with names, but again, there are actually hundreds of stars.

The Seven Sisters are approximately 440 light years away. From the viewpoint of astronomy and distances, that's close - very close! Now, here's what science says is wrong with your mythology about the Pleiadians: The constellation is way too young! The whole system of the Pleiades is far too young to have developed life. It's only approximately 100 million years old - a baby! The galaxy is four billion years old [according to your science] and your planet is at least a billion of that. Yet, the Pleiadians are only a tiny fraction of that, only 100 million.

So here is what science says: The mythology has most of the ancients of this planet claiming the Pleiadians as their seeds. However, this is impossible due to the age of the stars. The suppositions and logic are applied this way: What you saw on earth happens everywhere in the galaxy. That's incorrect, and quite humorous! Your bias is that life develops only a certain way, based upon the way it developed here. Not only is that incorrect in general, but the possibility has never even been broached that perhaps, just perhaps, the Pleiadian life as you think it exists was actually implanted there! How about that? Perhaps it didn't evolve from there at all! So to dismiss a possibility completely due to only the knowledge of what you have here may result in a totally illogical conclusion. Then there is the question, "How did those Pleiadians get so advanced so quickly?" [Wink]

These are just little vignettes of possibility, which I throw to you this evening to give you things to think about. The Pleiadians who are here are smiling, and they know you so well. You may be the new kids on the block because life just developed on your planet, but the Pleiadians had an entirely different scenario from what you had. To become an ascended planet, they needed certain kinds of pushes from certain other kinds of planets. They had their own seed biology! Dear ones, it's important to start thinking out of the box of your knowledge and open up to possibilities that are not what you've seen here.

Medicine - Where It's Going

I want to show you some other areas to consider. There are several categories that we'd like to talk about, but they're not in a specific order except for the last one. So let's talk about medicine. What is future medicine going to look like?

The most elegant predictions of medicine fall short of what's really coming. What you have today is a high-tech approach to designer chemistry. Now, since the body is made up of chemistry, it makes sense to look at this chemistry and work with it. It makes total sense to discover how it reacts to disease and then design cures with more chemistry. It's absolutely normal what you have done, but it's going to reach an end very soon. Because the future of medicine is physics, dear ones, not chemistry.

You're going to start understanding and developing new medical physics. You will discover that medi-physics is going to literally speak to cellular structure and give it instructions, without one chemical involved. There's always a reaction to chemistry, isn't there? There's always a side effect. When you push one thing, something else reacts, doesn't it? How do you like it so far? Your most elegant chemical designs, the ones that are helping with the worst diseases on the planet, all have side effects - and some of those side effects are death! I say to you, how do you like it so far?

Does it really seem elegant to you? Or perhaps it's just a more sophisticated way of bleeding in the barbershop? Dear ones, that's how you're going to look at it someday! You're going to slap your heads and say, "Remember the day when we did everything with chemistry and drugs?"

Right now, these kinds of changes have already started in several areas. There are discoveries being made that are healing some of the most heart-breaking diseases you have. I reveal one, because it's not a secret. I will always give you information that is either being worked on or has been postulated through free choice on this planet. That is the guideline of channelling. We can't give it to you. You've got to develop it yourself. However, we can put you in an energy that has a faster discovery potential - that is to say, discoveries become more obvious.

Alzheimer's is heart breaking. There are millions on this planet who develop this condition, more all the time. You're living longer and a plaque-like material that literally obfuscates your memory within the brain is becoming more common. It clings to certain parts of your brain, encrusting and restricting it, imprisoning the Human's ability to remember and eventually process information at all. The result is death, slow death. It's caused by your environment, a fact which will be discovered eventually. Your long-lived Ancients didn't have it.

It's going to be cured with physics. Your science is starting to find out that the plaque-like substance has a resonance that allows it to be weakened with sound. High-frequency sound, tuned to a certain frequency and amplitude, will cause the sheaths to weaken, dissolve, and come off. There's a lot of research to do yet, but it's a Eureka! moment - realizing that physics alone, without chemistry, can change the structure of biology. This is with no side effects whatsoever. It's coming, it's coming.

There are those working with fresh umbilical cord stem cells right now who are using pure physics to guide the stem cells to a specific destination in the body in order to repair failing systems. Dear ones, the future of health and healing is not through better chemistry, yet medicine is still waiting for better pills! Did you connect the dots and realize that all biology is physics based? There is magnetics, leverage, the energy of consciousness, electricity and much more within cellular structure. With physics alone, you can "tune in" to disease and destroy it! You can fine-tune your system with cooperative resonances and extend life with benevolent, physical assistance. Sixteen years ago, I told you this when I spoke of the Temple of Rejuvenation. I described the super-cooling needed to do it and the temperatures needed to work with it (-55C). This is physics!

Now, the false expectation of greater chemistry for the future is totally caused from the filter of knowledge. What you have and know then gives you your expectation of what is going to take place. It literally blocks you from seeing some of the potentials that you may have.

War - Nobody Sees What is Coming

Let's talk about war. Let's discuss something that very few are considering. What you expect next is completely and totally out of perspective of what's actually coming, because you only have one kind of knowledge about war. Your war has advanced over history with bigger explosions, higher yields and weapons that fire faster. Nuclear, laser, sound - all are far more efficient ways to terminate life. That's how war has evolved. However, there hasn't really been anything called anti-war devices, have there?

I'm going to give you an invitation for discovery, and some are already in the postulation stage of this. Multidimensional fields change 3D reality. Period. I've told you that lurking in your future are discoveries that will help you with every aspect of your life, mainly due to the discovery of what makes basic physics do what it does at the atomic level. If you fully understand multidimensionality, you can manipulate the formula for mass and create massless objects. You can even do it with the tools you have right now.

There is physics possible that can create certain kinds of fields - listen to me - certain kinds of heretofore unseen multidimensional fields that are harmless to your biology, but will alter some attributes of 3D. These fields are designer fields, and they are isolated and specifically designed for one purpose. When in the field, conventional explosive reactions can't happen. Can you imagine putting a field within rooms of a building so that no matter what weapon is fired, whether it's a machine gun or a pistol, it simply won't work! What about targeting an airplane when it drops a bomb and it won't explode? This is pure physics. The alteration of 3D reality through multidimensional designer fields, both small and large, is coming. I know you don't believe it, but just wait. As you start to discover multidimensional physics and the ability to control it, you will discover that there is a "benevolent attitude" of this kind of physics. You can't "weaponize it" as easily as you can 3D. It is an entirely different kind of reality.

Again, I tell you that when you understand how mass is created at the atomic level, you'll learn how to create massless objects. By the way, that has another name. You call it anti-gravity, but there is no such thing. It's just the ability to finally control the formula that creates gravity with mass. You understand that this is simple physics, don't you? And it's very easy to manipulate for benevolent uses through other fields that you do know about. Just like you have learned to control certain kinds of physics that are 3D, you can also control multidimensional physics. Imagine a planet where it doesn't matter what war device you had, it wouldn't work anymore! What do you think about that? Imagine physics having the ability to shatter the molecules of a biological weapon. Do you think that would change world politics? It's happening, it's going to happen. It's in the laboratory today. You're broaching the discovery of multidimensional physics. Being able to control that which you don't think is controllable is what you are doing. It's going to make such a difference to the Human race!

You don't believe it, since your knowledge of how things work just doesn't allow for such a thing. This is your filter.

Health

Normal good health is turning to simple physics for some of the simplest things. New kinds of foods are being grown with new physics, not chemistry. These will be physic-foods [Kryon name] that are not genetically altered or chemically altered, but benevolently enhanced by physics! This causes a new kind of super growth that can feed the planet in a way it's never been fed before. It will create food that is resistant to absolutely everything - insects, bacteria and disease - all through physics. Who thought of that? What you're expecting in the future regarding health is based upon the past. The big filter of past knowledge keeps you from thinking out of the box. You don't know what you don't know.

Spirituality

Finally, I want to talk about spirituality. New-ager, I want you to get real with me for a moment. We're heading for an ascended planet. Everything I have told you for 26 years has been about that. Human Beings are starting to evolve spiritually. DNA is starting to become more efficient, and many are feeling it. The masters of the past whose names you recognize are the examples of DNA working at 80 percent. Each one of them, in all their instructions and teaching, were trying to show you this. All of them were Human Beings; none were angels. There's a reason for this, so that the Human can face off with the Human and say, "Look at me, look what I can do! You can, too, if you get in touch with that which is inside you, which is the seed of the Creator." When you heed their advice, you start to evolve and you start to have wisdom and knowledge. It can create peace on Earth and more.

What is an ascended planet going to look like, new-ager, metaphysician? You have an idea, don't you? Based on your knowledge and what you have visualized, what will it be? Your vision: First will be the end of religion. Everyone will be of like-mind. Everyone will be floating around; you might even change colors at will! An ascended planet will be one where you only have consciousness, no need for the body. This is what you think, and I'm here to tell you that your vision is incorrect.

It's bigger than that! Believe me, it's better than that! What kind of free choice would you have if there were no choices to be had? Do you think ascension is going to be the homogenization and spiritual reprogramming of everyone? Listen to me: You don't homogenize a planet through wisdom. What you do through wisdom is get along. You don't become the same! You will always have free choice on this planet, but the wiser the planet becomes, the greater the ability to find wise solutions for everything. The greater the wisdom, the greater the ability to discover the Creator inside. That's the path that more than 90 percent of humanity will take. You will always have those who don't agree, but you will still get along. The paradigm of how you treat each other will totally change, and Human nature will change.

There will be wisdom, so there will be no more war. Killing each other is an attribute of an unevolved race. There will be certain kinds of physics and invention to help nullify the possibility of war as you grow. There will be new healing techniques and life spans that will triple and quadruple within the Human race. Then there will also be the wisdom to control your population as you evolve. You'll get to a place where you look a whole lot like you look now, but you are far wiser and you get along.

Religion? It will simply get wiser! What that means is it will simply morph into new ways of thinking about itself and others. There will be new leaders claiming new kinds of things. There will then become the updated doctrines and shifts in energy will be more based on spiritual common sense instead of historic misinformation. Great new leaders will be in touch with the Creator and create a far better church for their members. They'll understand it's okay to embrace every kind of different religion. You can stay in your box, have your belief, and still love someone in another box. Isn't that wisdom? It's different than you thought, isn't it? There will be recognition that one God is able to be worshipped by many in many ways and there isn't just "one way".

The Pleiadians had a planet that became so evolved that they could control much of their "reality". Physics was controllable by consciousness. This is where it's going for you as well, and many of your masters actually did this to show it to you. For the Pleiadians, life force itself could be then restricted to consciousness without a body, and through entanglement they could "travel" to another place. That place was Earth and they're still here!

The physics of that statement requires that you understand: If you do this, you cannot go back to the physical and must stay in an ageless consciousness state without a corporeal-self. It's simple, one-way physics. I know for some of you I am talking in riddles, and some of you know exactly where I'm going with this. This could be you, too, but not for a million years. This happens slowly, but it's happened before. You're on the cusp of discovery of how some of it works, but it won't work through anything you think you know.

The knowledge filter, the biggest restriction you have to real truth, is being slowly realized and dissolved by Old Souls like you, who are thinking beyond the box of the way it used to be. You're the ones to make the difference on the planet.

This last filter of spirituality is really important to you. I want you to take the attributes of mastery. I want you to stop being seen as a strange Human who seems to believe in odd things. Instead, think like a master of the planet, a loving person who people want to be with. Be balanced and compassionate. If somebody comes to you, feel comfortable enough to hold them, hug them, listen to what they have to say, cry with them, and laugh with them in joy. This is what the masters of this planet have done. Masters understand Human nature. You're an Old Soul, and you've been there and you've done it. There is no excuse for your not understanding this, because it is your legacy. This is who you are. I am Kryon, in love with humanity.

And so it is.

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admin · May 19, 2018

[17-Sep-15 6:27:02 AM] raxnae: is the Kryon channel accurate?

[8:40:39 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: In comparison to the multitude of 'wishy washy' new age 'feel good and dont ask too many questions' outlets it is.
It has become more 'consumerist oriented' in the last 10 years or so and has lost some of its original potency.
In general however 'Kryon' is fully synchronised with the Thuban material and especially in its futuristic science outlooks. I consider it a valid wayshower for the future of the universal ET science, which as the 'cosmic universal language' will be instrumental to prepare and harbour in the 'New World'.
The 'pollution' of original 'channels' for the 'perennial philosophy' and gnosis is common place, just look at something like the Donald Walsh - 'Conservation with God' series. I will not even mention the garbage of 'channellings' which have flooded social media and the worldwide web in the last half dozen years or so. You know what I think of the Nabs masquerading as 'spiritual information dissemination'.
N.D. Walsh basically 'nailed' the universality of the creator/god concept (like the Seth material before it), but then stumbled and lost its way regarding the meaning and purpose of religion (and particularly the nature of the Logos) as the parallel complementary way to describe, define and render the concept of spirituality understandable and logical.
As you know ALL religions have failed miserably in their 'god given' tasks and the world is in the mess it is in due to this as one of the applicable factualities.
I have had some correspondence with the 'Kryon' mediums in Lee Carroll and Jan Tober and have published this here:

http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/the-factuals-versus-the-oabs-old-age-bullshit.701/page-4#post-6981 and http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7453p30-the-factuals-versus-the-old-age-bs-or-oabs#115662

Kryonic Dragon Synergies

To: jantober@jantober.com
May 19th, 2018 - 2:55 PM

Dear Kryon of Logos Universal and Jan Tober and Lee Carroll

Please find attached complementary Universal Logos work from below the veil to connect to the upper veil in Möbian connectivity.

At the core of physical consciousness lies quantum consciousness; but there it is called self-interaction of a particle or dynamical system in motion relative to its charge distribution.
We shall indicate, that it is indeed the charge distribution within such a system and quantized in the fundamental nature of the electron and the proton as the base constituent of atomic hydrogen and so matter; that defines an internal monopolar charge distribution as a quantum geometric formation minimised in the classical size of the electron and the energy scale explored at that displacement scale.

Tony B. from Australia-Lemuria-Baiame

admin · Sep 27, 2015

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Re: The Factuals versus the Old Age BS or OABS

shiloh Today at 12:29 pm

A Question of Fundamentalism or a Fear of Change!?

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In its place would be the meme of a new mental archetype, which had, (in that subgroup of the humanoids, which began to understand the implications of the new technological inventions) transmuted the 'supernaturality virus' into a viral neuronal infection known as CIS-HSI or 'Complex Inferioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus' by the extraterrestrial observers.

This meme infection of the cis-hsi would so begin to 'war against' the old meme infection of the supernaturality virus, also known as the CSS-HSI or 'Complex Superioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus'.

The old meme infection had resulted in a worldview of considering the external environment as superior and controlling relative to the humanoid realms of understanding; and the new meme infection induced the opposite, the idea of the humanoid worlds beginning to control and dominate the exterior environments.

However this human mentality also induced a 'false humility', namely the idea, that to consciously and in full awareness of the 'self' as human individuation to continue the 'controlling of the terrestrial environment'; ANY notion of a 'greater encompassing' intelligence had to become 'supernaturalised' and so exiled into the realm of the meme infection of the 'others', the other humanoids, suffering the css-hsi insanity infection.

Relegating the human existence to a relative insignificance as compared to the extraterrestrial universe would instil the idea of a 'false humility' before the 'grandeur of the encompassing cosmos' in the new 'highpriests' of the new global religion of organised and politico-economical associated academia establishment.

Then the 'intelligentsia' would begin to dominate and seek to control all information shared with the 'uninitiated' lower classes and including the 'other' meme infected humanoids, suffering, like themselves, from an eonold virus, causing CSI-NMO or Complexus Syndroma Insanus -Nil Memoria Originalis.

The mental disease, the extraterrestrials knew was confined to the quarantined humanoid planet and as the Meme-Virus, which prevented the infected carrier to remember their origins, causing a comatose forgetfulness.

Both humanoid meme- infections parasited the homo sapiens insanus genus however and prevented this typology to metamorphose into 'Wise Man' in the genotype of Homo Sapiens Sapiens and as originally targeted by the gardeners at the time of the planting.

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#1412116

This is like the grand explanation behind some mind expanding work of science fiction, only lacking the context or fluency to make it especially intelligible or persuasive.

6/11/2012 1:09:58 PM

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Giardano Bruno

Can we please stop posting quotes from people who are clearly ill?

Not funny or clever.

6/11/2012 1:52:08 PM

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Greater Good

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be Evangelion fan fiction or an entry for the SCP Foundation.

6/11/2012 3:36:21 PM

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Raised by Horses

Logorrhoea, meet technobabble.

6/11/2012 4:25:44 PM

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Brendan Rizzo

If my interpretation of this rambling is correct, then well, it's nice to see a fundie opposing religion, I guess.

6/11/2012 5:37:06 PM

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Percy Q. Shunn

6/11/2012 8:29:46 PM

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zipperback

@Giardano Bruno

If we stopped posting quotes from the mentally ill we'd lose most of Rapture Ready and the best of Moonbattery.

Hell this isn't even displaying serious mental illness such as a personalized persecution complex that's typical of paranoia.

This is just a very elaborate worldview not based at all on facts which, you might notice, can also describe most religions.

6/12/2012 12:37:02 AM

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Reynardine

Has this guy ever had a cogent thought?

6/12/2012 2:01:10 AM

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Mad_Jester

@Greater Good:

Yeah, I started thinking "SCP" while I was reading it, too. O noes! Keter-class memetic virus!

Might make for a decent piece of fiction, if he weren't taking it seriously. I'd read it.

6/12/2012 6:17:04 AM

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Doubting Thomas

You wrote this while high, didn't you?

6/12/2012 7:16:55 AM

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Ahad Ha-am

TL;DR. Can anyone even make sense of this word salad?

6/12/2012 7:39:25 AM

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Flah

Mizgaflorn Shluprid Glomhar.

There. I can make up silly words too.

6/12/2012 8:32:13 AM

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shykid

What does this even say?

I'm a bit sick of both of these memes, but it's the only response that seems to fit.

6/12/2012 8:55:28 AM

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Power Skunk

I made it to the second sentence before going crosseyed. As punishment for my failure, I shall take a shot for each sentence I didn't get to. Then read it again. Maybe it'll make sense then.
"The liver is evil. It must be punished."

6/12/2012 12:09:21 PM

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Pie Man

Wait, what?

6/12/2012 1:37:12 PM

#1412553

...is this some wacky Reality Marble description Kinoko Nasu churned out while high?

6/12/2012 10:16:50 PM

#1412554
Mikgof

I think that he was explaining the origins of religion. But don't hold me to it. It could just as easily been a biscuit recipe in Sanskrit.

6/12/2012 10:27:06 PM

#1412662
Papabear

Here's hopin' YOUR mental disease is quarantined.

6/13/2012 1:14:46 PM

#1412684
Pule Thamex

No idea what this is about, but I'm imagining that after a period of its intense study perhaps I could penetrate its inner meaning and find it to be one-up on the more typical abracadabra, hocus pocus, sky wizard type scenario.

However, I suspect that in reality it will continue to be beyond the ability of mortal man to fathom its wonders and that it will reveal its secrets only to those of a certain ...er ... mental capacity.

6/13/2012 3:23:38 PM

#1412694

How come mad people tend to be so bad at writing English for comprehension?

I'm not taking the piss, it's a question based on what we at FSTDT often see of genuinely ill people. I don't for a moment think it's stupidity or a lack of education, but I'm confused as to what else it could be.

6/13/2012 3:43:38 PM

#1412719
Tatsukun

Assuming this was generated with software, it's not bad. If it's a person, that's just sad.

6/13/2012 4:29:40 PM

#1413985

O rly?

6/18/2012 2:44:19 AM

#1418066
No words

...

6/30/2012 1:05:00 AM

#1728025
anothga

The FUC11 did I just read?

11/6/2014 7:10:12 AM

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This is an excellent, albeit cryptically humourous description of the present world.
It is indeed an attesting to the present groupmind of human civilization, if the previous comments are indeed indicative of this mentality.

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7453p30-the-factuals-versus-the-old-age-bs-or-oabs#115886

9/27/2015 2:20:36 AM
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http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87785

The Original Message from November 22nd, 2011 at 16:08 UCT for the solar transit from Scorpio into Sagittarius (the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus).
As can be discerned, the context of this message regarding the atomic massacres of the 'rational skeptics' following World War II has been conveniently omitted to portray a particular viewpoint regarding a 'fundamentalist religious' perspective of ridicule.

ISAAC NEWTON'S ALCHEMY AND EZEKIEL'S TIMELINE TO 2012

Newton's Dream Realised and the Completion of Scriptural Prophetic Archetypology to enable Universal Reconfiguration

Prelude
"The most significant event in human history with respect to extraterrestrial intelligence within the greater universe, was the application of nuclear technology and science in the detonation of the two atomic bombs 'Little Boy' and 'Fat Man'over Hiroshima on August 6th, 1945 and Nagasaki on August 9th, 1945 respectively.

The 'observing' extraterrestrial intelligence then understood, that the 'human seeds' had indeed found 'new toys' in their 'playground' on the 'aliens' exiled 'mother planet' to use in their mental ignorance regarding their stewardship of the 'planet of the humanoid seed'.

But the 'watchers' and the 'gardeners' also knew, that this 'new wartoy' of the nuclear energy misapplied, had initiated the 'timeline' they had known would one day allow the humanoid mentality to progress from the 'supernaturality meme complex' to its antistate of the 'naturalis inferus'.

Soon the scientific paradigm would transmute into a globally applicable 'new religion', which would render the old memes of the 'supernatural' as superfluous archetype.

In its place would be the meme of a new mental archetype, which had, (in that subgroup of the humanoids, which began to understand the implications of the new technological inventions) transmuted the 'supernaturality virus' into a viral neuronal infection known as CIS-HSI or 'Complex Inferioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus' by the extraterrestrial observers.

This meme infection of the cis-hsi would so begin to 'war against' the old meme infection of the supernaturality virus, also known as the CSS-HSI or 'Complex Superioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus'.

The old meme infection had resulted in a worldview of considering the external environment as superior and controlling relative to the humanoid realms of understanding; and the new meme infection induced the opposite, the idea of the humanoid worlds beginning to control and dominate the exterior environments.

However this human mentality also induced a 'false humility', namely the idea, that to consciously and in full awareness of the 'self' as human individuation to continue the 'controlling of the terrestrial environment'; ANY notion of a 'greater encompassing' intelligence had to become 'supernaturalised' and so exiled into the realm of the meme infection of the 'others', the other humanoids, suffering the css-hsi insanity infection.

Relegating the human existence to a relative insignificance as compared to the extraterrestrial universe would instil the idea of a 'false humility' before the 'grandeur of the encompassing cosmos' in the new 'highpriests' of the new global religion of organised and politico-economical associated academia establishment.

Then the 'intelligentsia' would begin to dominate and seek to control all information shared with the 'uninitiated' lower classes and including the 'other' meme infected humanoids, suffering, like themselves, from an eonold virus, causing CSI-NMO or Complexus Syndroma Insanus -Nil Memoria Originalis.

The mental disease, the extraterrestrials knew was confined to the quarantined humanoid planet and as the Meme-Virus, which prevented the infected carrier to remember their origins, causing a comatose forgetfulness.

Both humanoid meme- infections parasited the homo sapiens insanus genus however and prevented this typology to metamorphose into 'Wise Man' in the genotype of Homo Sapiens Sapiens and as originally targeted by the gardeners at the time of the planting.

But the harvest would now become possible in the teleological projection of the TimeWave Zero.
67.29 years from the midpoint of the 'Day of no Return' - when the cis-hsi meme was born in the humanoid war-experiment; the harvest for the gardners
would begin.

August/7-8, 1945 + 67 years + 106 days = November/21-22, 2012 as the 'Day of Ophis', the Day of Dinah, the 13th starsign, the Day of the 'Serpent-Tamer' and of the 'Water-Bearer', preparing the 'Last Supper' and the 'Seder' for the 'Wedding Feast' of the gardeners, ready to return to 'Solomon's Garden' to join the 'Dark Madonnas' upon their 'Light-Red Mares' to their 'White Lucifers' upon their 'Black-Pale Horses'."

Ode of Solomon's Running Water to Maria's Wings of Eagles
{SongOfSolomon.1.5-7;Matthew.24.28;Luke.22.10;Revelation.12.14,19.17-18}

Or is it something a little different?

If just one consciousness carrier and data collector in a world realizes something of cosmic significance as a 'new thought' or memeplex; would then not the butterfly effect of chaos theory and/or the 100th monkey syndrome of Sheldrake's Morphogenetic Resonance allow the 'End of an Older World' to make way for a 'Newer World'?

"I apologize for the multiplication and this was caused by a number of edits I had to do in an attempt to encapsulate this article about dark energy and consciousness in a succinct a manner as possible.
I even had to replace one edit from research gate and replace it. The newest version is on research gate at the moment.

http://www.researchgate.net/publica...tivity_Dark_Energy_and_Physical_Consciousness

The reason I sent you those latest articles, is because it directly relates to your new quest relating the dark energy to the ZPE and consciousness.
You must have heard about the ‘accelerating universe’ and the multitude of papers it triggered. You might not recall, that Hogan in 1998 said something like this: “You know in your heart that this is wrong, but the data is what it is!”
So have the last 17 years of attempting to create a model for the cause and purpose of cosmological acceleration been in vain?
I knew even then in 1998; that Hogan was correct from his intuitive heart perspective and that the universe behaved rather like standard cosmology expected; namely decelerating under gravity in tandem with the thermodynamically expanding universe.

And should you look at the sketch for the dark energy below (I have deleted the rest); you can see that the Einstein Lambda reaches its minimum at a cosmological redshift coordinate of z=1.15, which corresponds to the High Redshift Project of Schmidt and the supernova project of Perlmutter from that time, Hogan commented.
So it was the dark energy which changed gradient from that point, I called the ‘Peak of Galaxy Formation’.
At the same point, the inherent deceleration (linked to the Milgröm Modified Newtonian Gravity (MOND) model in some aspects) proceeded as expected and as you can see as the ‘asymptotic approach' to the 0 (from below).

So can you see all this as relevant to your paper; knowing that this dark energy graph is the sketch of our physical consciousness?

You can address and simplify this somewhat like this:
The universe was born with a very simple geometric background, relating to the minimum entropy state addressed by many like Penrose of course.
So the physical consciousness aka the Dark Energy DE became concentrated in potential energy vortices, which would later ‘blossom’ or open up like a newborn flower might open from its bud following the rising of the sun after a dewed night.

This becomes the first protostars as Gamow’s ylem neutronstars etc from Black Hole-White Hole dual systems as energy emitter-receivers intersecting the dimensional topologies.
DE aka Consciousness so utilized the expanding space becoming available by the continuous cosmic expansion under lightspeed c slowing down under the gravity exhibited by the restmass seedling as the overall matter potential in the ylem vortices.

After about 4 billion years (see the Dark Energy paper also addressing Witten’s preference for the Einstein Lambda to be 0: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282157129_The_Nature_and_Origin_of_the_Dark_Energy_and_the_Cosmological_Constant?ev=prf_pub ), the absolute minimum of the DE was reached at the maximum point of galaxy formation from those vortices.
From this cosmic coordinate onwards, the CE changed its decrease of allowing the Consciousness to emerge from its potential to manifesting this potential energy dynamically.
This then became the observation of the ‘accelerating universe’ from the supernova spectra appearing to be more distant than they would have been under a decelerating cosmology.

But the redshift interval from z=1.08-1.84 (for a present epoch) defines a dimensional intersection in the cyclic n-coordinated cosmology, meaning that the electromagnetic spectrum selfintersects in the Hubble oscillation (poetically the heartbeat of the universe).
The most recent measurement for the Hubble constant from the Planck mission is about 67.8 (km/s)/Mpc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law and it was so 72 in most of the last years (1 Pc=3.26 lightyears ~ (3.26)x9.47x10¹⁵ metres).

Now the standard cosmological model calculates the ‘Age of the Universe’ from this as 72 (km/s)/Mpc ~ 2.3x10^-18 Hertz with inverse 4.3x10¹⁷ seconds or 13.6 Billion years and so the newer value should read 67.8 (km/s)/Mpc ~ 2.2x10^-18 hz with inverse 4.55x10¹⁷ seconds or 14.4 Billion years.

Why am I describing this?
Well the universe is 19.11 billion years old with a nodal Hubble constant of 58 (Allan Sandage would be pleased); but because of the dimensional selfintersection of the electromagnetic dynamics-expansion; the nodal Hubble Constant of 58 increases by 2.2 billion years in 16.9-2.2=14.7 billion years.

Therefore any light-spectra measurements undertaken by a present epoch observer should measure the universe as having an age of 14.7 billion years. And the recent Planck mission did just that (to the conundrums of the many cosmologists, invested in an age of the universe ‘too young’ by twice 2.2 or 4.4 billion years.)

This data then serves to bring in a new scientific paradigm in the form of a ‘new global philosophy’ and where the mysterious, but generally acknowledged ‘Dark Energy’ becomes redefined as ‘Physical Consciousness’ of the universe in its selfconscious quantum entangled state as its own raison de etre!

The observing ET Intelligence on September 27th, 2015

admin · Oct 11, 2015

Christian Prince - Allah VS Alice in The Wonderland

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http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

History of
Muhammad & Islam
(formerly named: Muhammad, Terrorist or Prophet?)
(Muhammad, aka: Mohammad, aka Mohammed, aka Mahomet)

Artist depiction - no real picture exists
Muhammad led 27 military campaigns against innocent
villages and caravans & planned 38 others

“I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies.” (Hadith)

Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".
A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....

We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause. BUT, In our opinion - Islam is a satanically inspired religion because (1) Islam rejects the God of the Bible as a Father. (2) Islam rejects Jesus as the divine son of God. (3) Islam rejects the Jewish people as inheritors of God's promises. (4) Islam rejects ALL the tenets of the Christian faith, especially - Islam LIES that Jesus/Yeshua NEVER died on across outside the gates of Jerusalem. IF that never happened, Satan well knows the that there is absolutely NO path to salvation. YET, the Four (4) Gospel writers (Apostles of Jesus) told us that the sinless Son of God (Jesus/Yeshua) loved us so much that He took our sins upon Himself, so that we who believe He is God's Son, and sincerely repent of our Sins will be in Heaven one day. Alternatively, Islam's Muhammad was a militaristic 7th century terrorist who insisted on 20% of all booty for himself - from the Muslim attacks on innocent cities and caravans. Muhammad also had many wives, and he had sex with 9 year old A'isha when he was in his 50's. That is in her words. If you are a Christian we pray that you will study the history of Islam 'in depth', before you make the fatal decision to become a Muslim - and thus rejecting the only path to eternal salvation the real God has laid out (embracing Jesus/Yeshua's sacrificial death for your sins).

As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century and the Qur'an itself.

Just a cursory look at Muhammad's Qur'an (Koran) should be enough to warn you to keep your distance from Islam:
In it you will see "unbridled raw evil", such
as statements like these:

- Truly, god loves those who fight

- Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them,
and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem.

- Chop off their hands and chop off their fingertips

- When you meet the unbelievers, chop off their
heads

- Fight and slay those who don't convert wherever
you find them

- Believers, take neither Jew nor Christians for your
friends

- Those who follow Muhammad are ruthless to
unbelievers

- Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures"
and thus deserve no mercy

- Fight them until Islam reigns supreme (throughout
the world)

Allah's sexlife and the Houris as Islam's Virgins corrupted from the Harlot Logos
(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot." Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin

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Post n°46

Re: The Factuals versus the Old Age BS or OABS

B.B.Baghor Today at 2:02 am

Shilo's words in post 42 of this thread:
"As you know ALL religions have failed miserably in their 'god given' tasks and the world is in the mess it is in due to this as one of the applicable factualities.I have had some correspondence with the 'Kryon' mediums in Lee Carroll and Jan Tober and have published this here:

Shilo, I'm amazed by the numerous attempts in your posts, the chat-room conversations, to criticize other people's belief system, be it those
concerning "God given tasks" or those on more fairy-dust covered levels, in what you call NABS: New Age Bull XXXX. At the core of new age is
a longing to become ONE once again, there's nothing "wrong" with that, that longing is shaped in a confused understanding of what ONE-ness is,
that's all, that's how I perceive it. Dissolving in an amorphous blob or state of "non awareness", losing oneself, is proof of a highly gullible nature
of course, for anything that smells like it is acceptable in that mindset. And as we know, that mindset is abused in all sorts of manners and forms.

There's a memory-residue of the original state of our being in all human beings here on this planet, as I perceive it. That's a genuine residue to me.
How we reach for it and create our path to it, depends on how we manage the competition between our spiritual being and our physical body.
That's a puzzle and initiation both, when solving that puzzle is proven successful, I think also the advise "know thyself" is followed to a large extent.
Human attempts to solve that puzzle is done in many ways, for some of us are spiritual without being psychic and some of us are psychic without
being spiritual. How to make chocolate of it all? I've never found myself making chocolate by reading lengthy Thuban posts. I can relate to
some of it when it's connected to real things or events happening in the 3D world, in other words, when it's down to earth, making sense that
is possible to understand in that same realm.

I can't go where things are presented in complicated ways, such as I perceive the lengthy posts in this thread covering all sorts of, what I call "abacadabra" material, for lack of a better definition, no offense, to which no explanation is given, nor reasons for publishing it and toward
what goal. There are so many interpretations of reality, so many words to describe them, see? I don't deny the truth of some of its content, for
I can find little gems in the Thuban material. It's not about the knowledge that I'm writing this post, it's the way it's presented and the tendency
to present it as statement in a "know-it-all" manner. The dragon nature might be in need for fierceness, but dragons are to me a means to reach
a destiny, they're not a destiny in themselves. At times, more often than not, posts of the Thuban world come very close to self-righteousness.

To me, the Thuban material is one of many belief systems human beings can and do create in a world existing in black and white, wrong and right,
bad and good, numerous human games of power constantly seeking opposition in greed for ever more of the same, never reaching contentment due
to the nature of that game: a wound in one's being is often present similar to the presence of a black hole. It can't be filled as long as it exists.

And on another subject, to be honest again, the correspondence with the Kryon mediums in Lee Carroll and Jan Tober isn't a correspondence,
as I read it. When I go through the exchange of letters here, in the same post I quoted your words from, I find your letters addressed to them
and their response expressing their "thank you", their apologies for a late reply, announcing a shortage of time due to being on the road much
and a promise to go through the material you presented them, in a polite humorous way, possibly just meaning to leave it as it is, for not having
the time to digest it all. I don't know of course, if there's been more exchange of letters in a different vibe, so I'm only guessing. There's no
exchange of thoughts in the letters presented by you here, I can't find any clarification and explanation in it, no exchange of views and ideas,
which is what I call a proper "correspondence".

This post of mine is a pointing at the facts regarding that correspondence and an attempt to describe how I perceive the Thuban material.
I do resonate with a superior attitude, and that may be at the core of my being weary with this thread. I've found the root of mine, did you?

_________________
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For each of us are like a facet in the diamond of creation, absolutely necessary for the diamond being complete.
Absolutely necessary in your joining and uniting with everything around you, with every person around you.

Not all those who wander are lost.
Tolkien

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Post n°47

Re: The Factuals versus the Old Age BS or OABS

Raven Today at 12:47 am
shiloh wrote:

Christian Prince - Allah VS Alice in The Wonderland

http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htmE-mail This Page

History of
Muhammad & Islam
(formerly named: Muhammad, Terrorist or Prophet?)
(Muhammad, aka: Mohammad, aka Mohammed, aka Mahomet)

Artist depiction - no real picture exists
Muhammad led 27 military campaigns against innocent
villages and caravans & planned 38 others

“I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies.” (Hadith)

Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".
A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....
We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause. BUT, In our opinion - Islam is a satanically inspired religion because (1) Islam rejects the God of the Bible as a Father. (2) Islam rejects Jesus as the divine son of God. (3) Islam rejects the Jewish people as inheritors of God's promises. (4) Islam rejects ALL the tenets of the Christian faith, especially - Islam LIES that Jesus/Yeshua NEVER died on across outside the gates of Jerusalem. IF that never happened, Satan well knows the that there is absolutely NO path to salvation. YET, the Four (4) Gospel writers (Apostles of Jesus) told us that the sinless Son of God (Jesus/Yeshua) loved us so much that He took our sins upon Himself, so that we who believe He is God's Son, and sincerely repent of our Sins will be in Heaven one day. Alternatively, Islam's Muhammad was a militaristic 7th century terrorist who insisted on 20% of all booty for himself - from the Muslim attacks on innocent cities and caravans. Muhammad also had many wives, and he had sex with 9 year old A'isha when he was in his 50's. That is in her words. If you are a Christian we pray that you will study the history of Islam 'in depth', before you make the fatal decision to become a Muslim - and thus rejecting the only path to eternal salvation the real God has laid out (embracing Jesus/Yeshua's sacrificial death for your sins).

As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century and the Qur'an itself.

Just a cursory look at Muhammad's Qur'an (Koran) should be enough to warn you to keep your distance from Islam:

In it you will see "unbridled raw evil", such
as statements like these:

- Truly, god loves those who fight

- Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them,
and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem.

- Chop off their hands and chop off their fingertips

- When you meet the unbelievers, chop off their
heads

- Fight and slay those who don't convert wherever
you find them

- Believers, take neither Jew nor Christians for your
friends

- Those who follow Muhammad are ruthless to
unbelievers

- Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures"
and thus deserve no mercy

- Fight them until Islam reigns supreme (throughout
the world)

Allah's sexlife and the Houris as Islam's Virgins corrupted from the Harlot Logos
(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot." Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/i-want-them-the-fck-out-of-my-neighborhood-armed-anti-muslim-protesters-descend-on-az-mosque/ my aunt shared this story with some bs about how bigoted and hateful this guy is
[8:07:55 PM] Sirius 17: and so i countered with this:
[8:08:09 PM] Sirius 17:
Islam is NOT a religion of peace. I agree with his premise on educating everyone about the truth of what Islam is really about because it is a wolf in sheep clothing. Education is the key here, not intolerance. How does most of the world view any cult like organization, with eyes wide open. Rip the Xxxxxxxx Burkas off and stop tolerating the nonsense BS and ignorance. If they truly wish to participate in our society then they need to be willing to give up antiquated ideologies that promote violence and death period. ANY religion, political stance, or organization that promotes the suppression of any human being should be questioned in a rational and informed manner. It should be a war of Ideas not guns period. May the best ideas prevail. Treating women as less then cattle does not sit well with me and neither should it anyone else. A truly informed and educated civilization would never tolerate such ignorance much less allow or support it under the guise of 'freedom'.

[9:24:05 PM] Sirius 17: my aunt will probably go ballistic
[9:24:34 PM] Shiloh Za-Rah: About what?
[9:24:52 PM] Sirius 17: oh i posted those two videos and then added this:
Information is powerful and empowering. Watch and be informed. Ideologies like these should not be tolerated by any civilized nation. Have zero sympathy with ignorance.

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Post n°48

Re: The Factuals versus the Old Age BS or OABS

Raven Today at 12:44 pm

Continuation of a FB conversation about exposing Islam

Helais
Sirius, not sure how to say this but you are full of shi20.

Sirius, maybe I should continue my thought, I am not a fan of any religion and I think the way women tend to be treated by any religion needs looking at but this sort of thing just spreads hate.

Sirius 17
Helais, I don't hate these people. I dislike their ideology and antiquated beliefs and no I won't tolerate these ideas the same way our founding fathers wouldn't tolerate antiquated British ideologies.

I am not trying to spread hate but rather illumination and education. Unlike many of these protesters I don't want to force these people out of our country or neighborhoods. Instead I want them to adapt to our way of life in peace. And if you are truly interested in solving the problem then you need to educate yourself on Islam and just who was Mohamed and what does the Koran say. Believe me when you do some research it becomes obvious that Islam is a political war movement and it is just as dangerous as any other cult or political movement out there that sacrifices its membership for its causes.
And for example, once people found out the truth about Hitler and his regime, his ideologies and beliefs became very unwelcome. The same thing will happen with Islam and its megalomaniac leader/s and ideas once the truth is revealed.

Lorca
Sirius, not all Muslims treat women badly. Just like Christianity, there are affiliations with different beliefs. The Bible treats women terribly, daughters sold, wives punished for touching men, etc. The fundamentalists are extreme in both religions. But, most Muslims are moderate in their beliefs.
Iraq, before we invaded, had the largest Middle class in the Middle East, with thriving universities and a very capitalist society. Women were allowed in all aspects of it. The same is true in many other Muslim countries.

Sirius 17
Lorca they want you to believe that but at the core of their religion are deep abuses. The so called 'moderate' Muslims believe in the same megalomaniac prophet. It is the world’s biggest problem at the moment and it needs to be addressed. When over 4 million people flee their place of birth for fear of their lives, then the truth must come out. Islam is false and everything about it promotes hate, death and destruction. It is a wolf disguised in sheep clothing.

Lorca
Actually, no Sirius. Islam is a religion of peace. So much of our culture comes from Islam, math, astronomy, algebra - all the original scholars were Muslims - when Christians were still beheading and jailing scholars, keeping all knowledge locked in the Church walls. Islam was building Universities.

You know Sirius, right now Muslims in Africa are running from mobs of Christians. All religious extremists are blind with hate of others. Here, read the Bible:
Deuteronomy 17
"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

How is that different then the Quran?

Sirius 17
It is no different, religious extremism everywhere should be questioned and exposed.

Lorca
"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”"

Luke 19:27
Lorca
I agree with that statement.

Sirius 17
Yes Lorca, misinterpretations abound.
If you study IS.IS you can clearly see that they are following Mohammad to the letter. Most of the scholars back in Mohammad's time were forced at blade point to convert or die in much the same way IS.IS is doing today.

Lorca
http://www.examiner.com/.../khalifa-of-islam-talks-about...
Khalifa of Islam talks about world peace at the Dutch Parliament
examiner.com
And Sirius, that is exactly what happened in the Spanish Inquisition. Muslims, Jews and Christians lived side-by-side in peace for over 900 years in Spain UNTIL the Inquisition.

Sirius 17
And there is a distinct difference between Old Testament bible and new. Jesus was a reformer of the old BS and misinterpretations. He invented the idea questioning stone throwing. Now look at the Muslims and their Sharia law and what do they do to a female who commits adultery in the Middle East?? They stone them to death Lorac.

Lorac
ISIS are extremists. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/.../muslims-against-isis_b...
Muslims Stand Against ISIS, Too
A friend told me recently that the horrific conduct of ISIS -- Islamic State in Iraq and Syria -- has…
huffingtonpost.ca
ISIS kills far more Muslims then they do Christians.

Sirius 17
Stoning people and cutting off hands and beheading them for petty crimes Lorac.

Lorac
Sirius, the Bible lists stoning as punishment too. Like for divorce. I'm going to repost this from above - it is from the New Testament. "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”"

Luke 19:27

Sirius 17
But go ahead and defend these so called 'moderate' 'peaceful' Muslims...

Lorac, how many Christian's today practice stoning to death as a form of punishment and believe it?

Lorac
Thank you. I will. I went to college with many. I worked with many in the Army. I still have some as friends. So does my sister.

Sirius 17
The entire Arab block believes in Sharia law.

Lorac
They do NOT!!! Where do you get these crazy ideas? You need to talk to my sister about this...
http://nypost.com/.../christian-mobs-attack-muslims-in.../
Christian mobs attack Muslims in Central African Republic
nypost.com

Sirius 17
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../how-saudi-arabias.../
How Saudi Arabia’s harsh legal punishments compare to the…
washingtonpost.com|By Adam Taylor

Lorac
http://www.christianitytoday.com/.../mayweb.../5-3-32.0.html
Nigerian Christians Attack Muslims, Kill Dozens
christianitytoday.com

Sirius 17
http://www.cfr.org/rel.../islam-governing-under-sharia/p8034
Islam: Governing Under Sharia
Sharia, or Islamic law, is increasingly in the spotlight as its political and economic role…
cfr.org

Introduction
Sharia, or Islamic law, influences the legal code in most Muslim countries. A movement to allow sharia to govern personal status law, a set of regulations that pertain to marriage, divorce, inheritance, and custody, is even expanding into the West. "There are so many varying interpretations of what sharia actually means that in some places, it can be incorporated into political systems relatively easily," said CFR's Steven A. Cook. Sharia's influence on both personal status law and criminal law is highly controversial. Some interpretations are used to justify cruel punishments such as amputation and stoning, as well as unequal treatment of women in inheritance, dress, and independence. The debate is growing as to whether sharia can coexist with secularism, democracy, or even modernity, an idea that is being tested by several countries in the Middle East in the wake of popular uprisings and civil wars.

Lorac
And what would you call it when our "Christian Nation" attacked Iraq for no reason, killing over 500,000 Muslims

Sirius 17
I don't agree with that either Lorac.
As far invading Iraq and these other countries they were war crimes. I didn't vote for Bush.

Lorac
I am sure you can find anti-Islam articles forever. But PLEASE do not brand all the people of this faith, 1/4 of the world's population, by the actions of a few thousand.

Sirius 17
I just call it like I see it Lorac. I am not branding anyone. I am only bringing to the light the truth. I love all people Lorac, but I dislike ignorance, in any form.
I feel the same way about any religion or belief system that spreads fear and death and more ignorance.
The time has come in my opinion for the human race to drop all old antiquated ideas and challenge every single one to the letter. We don't have any more time left to piddle about. I do agree with Trump on one thing, the political correctness needs to end. Let's just call a spade a spade and reject bad ideologies planetary. The continuation of our species depends on getting real with each other now, not tomorrow.
So my motto is EXPOSE everything!!
And by the way the article on Sharia law is from the Council On Foreign Relations, so not some anti-islamic propaganda but fact based.

Lorac
Well Saudi Arabia is one of the most fundamental countries.

Sirius 17
Yes and they are our so called allies.

Sirius 17
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Lorac
http://www.islamforpeace.org/quran.html
ISLAM for peace
islamforpeace.org
Sirius, I don't need a religion lesson - actions speak louder than words. Look at our country's war record and you will see that we are anything but peaceful.
http://www.evilbible.com/BiblicalIntolerance.htm
Biblical Intolerance
evilbible.com
BOTH religions are violent and BOTH religions preach peace. Just don't JUDGE over a billion people by the actions of a tiny fraction.

Sirius 17
I am not talking about America's war crimes, that is another subject. Just exposing that Islam is NOT a religion of peace with these references.

Lorac
I could say the same thing about Christianity, by what I posted. The Bible calls for a LOT of violence and killing.
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10...See More

Sirius 17
The old testament does Lorac, yes. The New Testament and Jesus's teachings do NOT preach violence. Jesus was a reformer of antiquated ideas, Mohammad was NOT.

Lorac
Please don't buy into this Islamaphobia that is being spread in our country. It can only lead to MORE violence and hatred.
I have quoted both Mark and Luke - New Testament, about killing non-believers.

Sirius 17
I refuse to bury my head in the sand and think naively that it will just go away if i don't say anything. Remember I am not against the people themselves but against silly antiquated ideas. Stupid ideas should be challenged always.

Lorac
Quaran 9.6 And if any of the Idolatries (who are fighting you) seeks thy protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure:
Sirius- I see ZERO difference in the two religions. For one thing, they both believe in the same God.

Sirius 17
Why are ISIL beheading their own people Lorac? You should look into that because it comes from the Koran and Hadith.
Ignorance is ignorance indeed.
They are not the same god. The god of the New Testament and the one Jesus spoke about is a god of life. Allah is a god of death and destruction, big difference.

Lorac
I feel sorry for you Sirius. You used to be open minded and spiritual. Now you're full of hate and intolerance.

Sirius 17
There is zero difference in the level of extremism perpetrated on the masses by either group though, on this i agree fully and this comes from huge misinterpretations of the bible and exactly what it really means and says. Few people on the planet can actually decipher it and so it should be put in a museum along with all other antiquated and easily misinterpreted scrolls and books of antiquity as say museum exhibitions on how not to be as a civilization.

Lorac, I refuse to tolerate violence in any form, it is disgusting and so it must be brought into the light and this includes killing in the name of any God, Christian or otherwise.

New Testament and Jesus's words vs the Koran

Matthew 7 - King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
A sample of verses in the Koran glorifying violence. More can be read at the link above.

The Quran:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were notunder attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

[6:31:22 AM-October 12th, 2015-+11UCT] Shiloh Za-Rah:
This passage in the new testament is part of a parable about money and interest. Do you think Jesus meant this literally? He used it in a specific context related say to the blood thirstyness in Isaiah, which as we know is not Death or slaying by the SWORD but by WORDS. Without understanding this code, this passage in Luke is very easily misread as the people like Lorca are doing to compare Islam to Christistianity. You might copy my reply to her to illustrate.
I will also add the Isaiah quote and a few scripture codes where it is made clear that the SWORD of Jesus are his WORDS. Especially you can 'prove' what I said above with those words of Jesus in John.12:48. Notice that it again refers to the ones rejecting Jesus. Also note, that the famous passage of throwing out the money exchangers from the temple at Jerusalem is in the same chapter of Luke as is the quoted part, where Jesus appears as approving of usury and interest collection aka ancient and modernized banking versions.
And as you know the Logos truth is rather money independent.

Isaiah 52:3
For thus saith the Lord, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.

Isaiah 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Revelation 22:16-17
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Isaiah 49:2
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

Revelation 1:16
And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Luke 19 - King James Version (KJV)
1 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.
2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.
6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.
8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
47 And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him,
48 And could not find what they might do: for all the people were very attentive to hear him.

[6:34:33 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

Here the King of Babylon is called 'Lucifer' and is said to be thrust through with a sword and slain without a grave etc. The 'taking captive' those whose captives they were also means that the redefinition of the WORDS will 'bind' or imprison the ones previously bound by the old laws say.
Compare this to the last code in Isaiah.66. then in Zechariah.14 you read a similar strange punishment; about flesh consuming away, whilst men stand on their feet and their eyes and tongues consuming away.
Now some people interpret this as some atomic bomb detonation, but it should become clear to the discerning reader, that this is again encoded and is symbolic for the destruction of the 'who has eyes to see and who has ears to hear might see and hear' and similar juxtapositionings.
The OT in particular must be decoded before being attempted to be interpreted. As you know the animal sacrifices too are simple code not of living physical animals, but of the starsigns as the birthorder of the tribes of Israel. Reuben Aries the Ram is the firstborn and Simeon Taurus the Calf or Bull is the secondborn. Zebulon Capricorn the Goat is the 10thborn and mirrored firstborn (see last code for details) in the doublet of Jacob's first wife Leah. As 10=1+9=1+0 the sacrifices of lambs and calves and goats all relate to the birthing order of the 12 sons with Judah Leo being the 4th son of Leah but becoming the 'Lion of Judah' in the various stories of the birthright successions. This is encoded by Reuben 'defiling' his halfbrothers mother in having sex with her in 'his father's bed' and so forfeiting his numero uno for Taurus Simeon. But both him and his brother the thirdborn Levi Gemini slaughtered the tribe of the Hivites in Genesis.34 and so both lost their 'succession status' to the fourthborn Judah.
Then there are breaches encoded as the birth of twins in Pharez and Zarah in the Judah lineage further showing in Genesis.38 how the fourth starsign of Leo must switch with the fifthborn Dan Cancer by Bilhah, Rachel's handmaiden and Jacob's 4th 'wife' to reorder the 12 signs of the Zodiac. This stuff is encoded in Jacob's and Moses' 'blessings' in Genesis.49 and Deuteronomy.33.
Also Moses never existed as a real physical person, but symbolises many pharaohic names like Ahmose and Thutmose and Rameses and so on.
The entire story of the OT is nonhistorical until say 800BC. So the many bible skeptics stating that Moses ordered the killing of children and entire cities etc, all are nonhistorical and symbolise the attempt of 'occupying the land' in a normal settlement and conquering period at that time. The historical exodus is well documented by the Hyksos tribe (called Shepherd kings by Josephus, the Jewish historian and source for modern historians) of say 1600-1500BC, who occupied and ruled Lower Egypt in confrontation with the Upper Egypt in the 15th dynasty. Ahmose began the 18th dynasty in driving the Hyksos out of Egypt and this event became dramatised and 'turned upside down' by Jewish historians and scribes like a sort of root memory of when the Torah/OT was written say around 800BC. The Hyksos tried to 'enslave' the Egyptions earlier and not the other way around. And this is fact. Moses is a invented proposition and relates to all the chronicles and blood lineages of the tribes as starsigns and not as a 'chosen people'.
The 'specialness' is so everyone with a birthday and Jesus knew this.

[6:35:43 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

Isaiah 14 - King James Version (KJV)
1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts.
24 The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
27 For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Isaiah 66 - King James Version (KJV)
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Zechariah 14:11-13 - King James Version (KJV)
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

[7:28:35 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

Lastly there are many 'weird' passages in the Old Testament like Exodus.23.19

Exodus 23:19
The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Failing to see this as a code descriptive of say the land or the planet or a city or the some other symbol for a mother, will interpret this as boiling the carcase of a kid goat in the mother goat's milk as some sort of food preparation.
The key is again the firstfruit as the firstborn, who is the 'inheritor' of the father's legacy. This is the same in many cultures where like Adam as the symbolic perfect image of his Father as God in some abstract 'heaven' becomes decoded as a real Son-Father relationship in the physical world.
You can now count the Sons of Jacob and again come to the 10th as a quasi first in the story of Reuben's mandrakes exchanged by his mother Leah with her sister Rachel for the 'right' to conceive the 10th born son Zebulon Capricorn as a kid goat in Genesis.30.14-20.
This of course was the last son of Leah before her seventh child in Dinah her daughter and the only named daughter in Genesis. So Zebulon and Dinah as a brother-sisterhood become a mirror in the birthright and the above 'weird' code is decoded as an instruction NOT to count the generations backwards from 10 to 1 but pertain to the natural order of counting 1 to 10.

I AM THAT I AM --- I AM THAT AM I --- EXCALIBUR --- NEPTUNE --- SCORPIO --- 95=59=DRAGON

CIRCLE OF GOD --- SON OF MAN --- SERPENT=PRESENT --- WYZARD --- 97 --- PHOENIX 123

WORDS OF A PSALM = SWORD OF PLASMA = MOTHER OF PLASMA = ALPHAOMEGA OF A PSALM

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THE TRUTH ABOUT HONOR KILLINGS AND STATISTICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST ISLAM

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THE TRUTH ABOUT HONOR KILLINGS AND STATISTICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST ISLAM

Islamic gender apartheid is a human rights violation and cannot be justified in the name of cultural relativism, tolerance, anti-racism, diversity, or political correctness. As long as Islamist groups continue to deny, minimize, or obfuscate the problem, and government and police officials accept their inaccurate versions of reality, women will continue to be killed for honor in the West.

The battle for women's rights is central to the battle for Europe and for Western values. It is a necessary part of true democracy, along with freedom of religion, tolerance for homosexuals, and freedom of dissent. Here, then, is exactly where the greatest battle of the twenty-first century is joined.

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SPRING 2010 • VOLUME 17: NUMBER 2
Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings
by Phyllis Chesler
Middle East Quarterly
Spring 2010, pp. 3-11

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To combat the epidemic of honor killings requires understanding what makes these murders unique. They differ from plain and psychopathic homicides, serial killings, crimes of passion, revenge killings, and domestic violence. Their motivation is different and based on codes of morality and behavior that typify some cultures, often reinforced by fundamentalist religious dictates. In 2000, the United Nations estimated that there are 5,000 honor killings every year.[1] That number might be reasonable for Pakistan alone, but worldwide the numbers are much greater. In 2002 and again in 2004, the U.N. brought a resolution to end honor killings and other honor-related crimes. In 2004, at a meeting in The Hague about the rising tide of honor killings in Europe, law enforcement officers from the U.K. announced plans to begin reopening old cases to see if certain murders were, indeed, honor murders.[2] The number of honor killings is routinely underestimated, and most estimates are little more than guesses that vary widely. Definitive or reliable worldwide estimates of honor killing incidence do not exist.

Morsal O, a 16-year-old German-Afghan girl, was killed in May 2008 by her 24-year-old brother Ahmad Sobair O. He stabbed her twenty-three times in a parking lot in Hamburg, Germany, because of her alleged impure moral conduct. Murder of teenage or young adult women by their fathers or other close male relatives is characteristic of classic honor killings and is not a pattern in non-immigrant Western populations.

Most honor killings are not classified as such, are rarely prosecuted, or when prosecuted in the Muslim world, result in relatively light sentences.[3] When an honor killing occurs in the West, many people, including the police, still shy away from calling it an honor killing. In the West, both Islamist and feminist groups, including domestic violence activists, continue to insist that honor killings are a form of Western-style domestic violence or femicide (killing of women).[4] They are not.[5] This study documents that there are at least two types of honor killings and two victim populations. Both types differ significantly from each other, just as they differ from Western domestic femicide. One group has an average age of seventeen; the other group's average age is thirty-six. The age difference is a statistically significant one.

Families Killing Their Young Women

The study's findings indicate that honor killings accelerated significantly in a 20-year period between 1989 and 2009.[6] This may mean that honor killings are genuinely escalating, perhaps as a function of jihadist extremism and Islamic fundamentalism, or that honor killings are being more accurately reported and prosecuted, especially in the West, but also in the East. The expansion of the Internet may account for wider reporting of these incidents.

The worldwide average age of victims for the entire population is twenty-three (Table 1). This is true for all geographical regions. Thus, wherever an honor killing is committed, it is primarily a crime against young people. Just over half of these victims were daughters and sisters; about a quarter were wives and girlfriends of the perpetrators. The remainder included mothers, aunts, nieces, cousins, uncles, or non-relatives.

Honor killings are a family collaboration. Worldwide, two-thirds of the victims were killed by their families of origin. (See Table 1). Murder by the family of origin was at its highest (72 percent) in the Muslim world and at its lowest in North America (49 percent); European families of origin were involved almost as often as those in the Muslim world, possibly because so many are first- or second-generation immigrants and, therefore, still tightly bound to their native cultures. Alternatively, this might be due to the Islamist radicalization of third or even fourth generations. Internationally, fathers played an active role in over one-third of the honor murders. Fathers were most involved in North America (52 percent) and least involved in the Muslim world; in Europe, fathers were involved in more than one-third of the murders.

Worldwide, 42 percent of these murders were carried out by multiple perpetrators, a characteristic which distinguishes them considerably from Western domestic femicide. A small number of the murders worldwide involved more than one victim. Multiple murders were at their highest in North America and at their lowest in Europe. In the Muslim world, just under a quarter of the murders involved more than one victim. Additional victims included the dead woman's children, boyfriend, fiancé, husband, sister, brother, or parents.

Worldwide, more than half the victims were tortured; i.e., they did not die instantly but in agony. In North America, over one-third of the victims were tortured; in Europe, two-thirds were tortured; in the Muslim world, half were tortured. Torturous deaths include: being raped or gang-raped before being killed; being strangled or bludgeoned to death; being stabbed many times (10 to 40 times); being stoned or burned to death; being beheaded, or having one's throat slashed.

Finally, worldwide, 58 percent of the victims were murdered for being "too Western" and/or for resisting or disobeying cultural and religious expectations (see Table 1). The accusation of being "too Western" was the exact language used by the perpetrator or perpetrators. Being "too Western" meant being seen as too independent, not subservient enough, refusing to wear varieties of Islamic clothing (including forms of the veil), wanting an advanced education and a career, having non-Muslim (or non-Sikh or non-Hindu) friends or boyfriends, refusing to marry one's first cousin, wanting to choose one's own husband, choosing a socially "inferior" or non-Muslim (or non-Sikh or non-Hindu) husband; or leaving an abusive husband. There were statistically significant regional differences for this motive. For example, in North America, 91 percent of victims were murdered for being "too Western" as compared to a smaller but still substantial number (71 percent) in Europe. In comparison, only 43 percent of victims were killed for this reason in the Muslim world.
Less than half (42 percent) of the victims worldwide were murdered for committing an alleged "sexual impropriety"; this refers to victims who had been raped, were allegedly having extra-marital affairs, or who were viewed as "promiscuous" (even where this might not refer to actual sexual promiscuity or even sexual activity). However, in the Muslim world, 57 percent of victims were murdered for this motive as compared to 29 percent in Europe and a small number (9 percent) in North America.

What the Age Differences Mean

This study documents that there are at least two different kinds of honor killings and/or two different victim populations: one made up of female children and young women whose average age is seventeen (Table 3), the other composed of women whose average age is thirty-six (Table 5). Both kinds of honor murders differ from Western domestic femicide.

In the non-immigrant West, serious domestic violence exists which includes incest, child abuse, marital rape, marital battering, marital stalking, and marital post-battering femicide. However, there is no cultural pattern of fathers specifically targeting or murdering their teenage or young adult daughters, nor do families of origin participate in planning, perpetrating, justifying, and valorizing such murders. Clearly, these characteristics define the classic honor killing of younger women and girls.

The honor murders of older women might seem to resemble Western-style domestic femicide. The victim is an older married woman, usually a mother, who is often killed by her husband but also by multiple perpetrators (30 percent of the time). Worldwide, almost half (44 percent) of those who kill older-age victims include members of either the victim's family of origin or members of her husband's family of origin. (See Table 5.) This is extremely rare in a Western domestic femicide; the husband who kills his wife in the West is rarely assisted by members of his family of origin or by his in-laws.

However, in the Muslim world, older-age honor killing victims are murdered by their own families of origin nearly two-thirds of the time. This suggests that the old-world custom has changed somewhat in Europe where the victim's family of origin participates in her murder only one-third (31 percent) of the time. Thus far, in North America, no members of the family of origin have participated in the honor killing of an older-age victim. Whether North America will eventually come to resemble Europe or even the Muslim world remains to be seen, as this will be influenced by immigration and other demographic factors. Finally, nearly half the older-age victims are subjected to a torturous death. However, the torture rate was at its highest (68 percent) in Europe for female victims of all ages. The torture rate was 35 percent and 51 percent in North America and in the Muslim world, respectively.

Worldwide, younger-age victims were killed by their families of origin 81 percent of the time. In North America, 94 percent were killed by their family of origin; this figure was 77 percent in Europe and 82 percent in the Muslim world. (See Table 3.) In North America, fathers had a hands-on role in 100 percent of the cases when the daughter was eighteen-years-old or younger (See Table 4). Worldwide, younger-age women and girls were tortured 53 percent of the time; however, in Europe, they were tortured between 72 and 83 percent of the time—significantly more than older-age women worldwide.

Western Responses to Honor Killing

Many Western feminists and advocates for victims of domestic violence have confused Western domestic violence or domestic femicide (the two are different) with the honor killings of older-age victims. Representatives of Islamist pressure groups including Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Canadian Islamic Congress, various academics (e.g., Ajay Nair, Tom Keil), activists (e.g., Rana Husseini), and religious leaders (e.g., Abdulhai Patel of the Canadian Council of Imams) have insisted that honor killings either do not exist or have nothing to do with Islam; that they are cultural, tribal, pre-Islamic customs, and that, in any event, domestic violence exists everywhere.[7]Feminists who work with the victims of domestic violence have seen so much violence against women that they are uncomfortable singling out one group of perpetrators, especially an immigrant or Muslim group. However, Western domestic femicide differs significantly from honor killing.[8]

Former National Organization for Women (NOW) president Kim Gandy compared the battered and beheaded Aasiya Hassan[9] to the battered (but still living) pop star Rihanna and further questioned whether Hassan's murder was an honor killing:

Is a Muslim man in Buffalo more likely to kill his wife than a Catholic man in Buffalo? A Jewish man in Buffalo? I don't know the answer to that, but I know that there is plenty of violence to go around—and that the long and sordid history of oppressing women in the name of religion surely includes Islam, but is not limited to Islam.[10]

At the time of the Hassan beheading, a coalition of domestic violence workers sent an (unpublished) letter to the Erie County district attorney's office and to some media stating that this was not an honor killing, that honor killings had nothing to do with Islam, and that sensationalizing Muslim domestic violence was not only racist but also served to render invisible the much larger incidence of both domestic violence and domestic femicide. They have a point, but they also miss the point, namely, that apples are not oranges and that honor killings are not the same as Western domestic femicides.

One might argue that the stated murder motive of being "too Westernized" may, in a sense, overlap substantively with the stated and unstated motives involved in Western domestic femicide. In both instances, the woman is expected to live with male violence and to remain silent about it. She is not supposed to leave—or to leave with the children or any other male "property." However, the need to keep a woman isolated, subordinate, fearful, and dependent through the use of violence does not reflect a Western cultural or religious value; rather, it reflects the individual, psychological pathology of the Western batterer-murderer. On the other hand, an honor killing reflects the culture's values aimed at regulating female behavior—values that the family, including the victim's family, is expected to enforce and uphold.

Further, such cultural, ethnic, or tribal values are not often condemned by the major religious and political leaders in developing Muslim countries or in immigrant communities in the West. On the contrary, such communities maintain an enforced silence on all matters of religious, cultural, or communal "sensitivity." Today, such leaders (and their many followers) often tempt, shame, or force Muslim girls and women into wearing a variety of body coverings including the hijab (head covering),burqa, or chadari (full-body covering) as an expression of religiosity and cultural pride or as an expression of symbolic resistance to the non-Muslim West.[11] Muslim men are allowed to dress like Westerners, and no one challenges the ubiquitous use of Western technology, including airplanes, cell phones, the Internet, or satellite television as un-Islamic. But Muslim women are expected to bear the burden of upholding these ancient and allegedly religious customs of gender apartheid.

It is clear that Muslim girls and women are murdered for honor in both the West and the East when they refuse to wear the hijab or choose to wear it improperly. In addition, they are killed for behaving in accepted Western or modern ways when they express a desire to attend college, have careers, live independent lives, have non-Muslim friends (including boyfriends with whom they may or may not be sexually involved), choose their own husbands, refuse to marry their first cousins, or want to leave an abusive husband. This "Westernization" trend also exists in Muslim countries but to a lesser extent. Allegations of unacceptable "Westernization" accounted for 44 percent of honor murders in the Muslim world as compared to 71 percent in Europe and 91 percent in North America.

Tempted by Western ideas, desiring to assimilate, and hoping to escape lives of subordination, those girls and women who exercise their option to be Western are killed—at early ages and in particularly gruesome ways. Frightening honor murders may constitute an object lesson to other Muslim girls and women about what may happen to them if they act on the temptation to do more than serve their fathers and brothers as domestic servants, marry their first cousin, and breed as many children as possible. The deaths of females already living in the West may also be intended as lessons for other female immigrants who are expected to lead subordinate and segregated lives amid the temptations and privileges of freedom. This is especially true in Europe where large Muslim ghettos have formed in the past few decades. It is particularly alarming to note that in Europe 96 percent of the honor killing perpetrators are Muslims.

The level of primal, sadistic, or barbaric savagery shown in honor killings towards a female family intimate more closely approximates some of the murders in the West perpetrated by serial killers against prostitutes or randomly selected women. It also suggests that gender separatism, the devaluation of girls and women, normalized child abuse, including arranged child marriages of both boys and girls, sexual repression, misogyny (sometimes inspired by misogynist interpretations of the Qur'an), and the demands made by an increase in the violent ideology of jihad all lead to murderous levels of aggression towards girls and women. One only has to kill a few girls and women to keep the others in line. Honor killings are, in a sense, a form of domestic terrorism, meant to ensure that Muslim women wear the Islamic veil, have Muslim babies, and mingle only with other Muslims.

Since Muslim immigration and, therefore, family networks are more restricted in North America than in Europe, honor-killing fathers may feel that the entire burden for upholding standards for female behavior falls heavily upon them and them alone. This may account for the fact that fathers are responsible 100 percent of the time for the honor murders of the youngest-age victims. In Europe and in the Muslim world, that burden may more easily be shared by sons and brothers, grandfathers, uncles, and male cousins.

What Must Be Done

How can this problem be addressed? Immigration, law enforcement, and religious authorities must all be included in education, prevention, and prosecution efforts in the matter of honor killings.

In addition, shelters for battered Muslim girls and women should be established and multilingual staff appropriately trained in the facts about honor killings. For example, young Muslim girls are frequently lured back home by their mothers. When a shelter resident receives such a phone call, the staff must immediately go on high alert. The equivalent of a federal witness protection program for the intended targets of honor killings should be created; England has already established such a program.[12] Extended safe surrogate family networks must be created to replace existing family networks; the intended victims themselves, with enormous assistance, may become each other's "sisters."

In addition, clear government warnings must be issued to Muslim, Sikh, and Hindu immigrants and citizens: Honor killings must be prosecuted in the West, and perpetrators, accomplices, and enablers must all be prosecuted. Participating families should be publicly shamed. Criminals must be deported after they have served their sentences.

Western judicial systems and governments have recently begun to address this problem. In 2006, a Danish court convicted nine members of a clan for the honor murder of Ghazala Khan.[13] In 2009, a German court sentenced a father to life in prison for having ordered his son to murder his sister for the family honor while the 20-year-old son was sentenced to nine and a half years.[14] In another case, a British court, with the help of testimony from the victim's mother and fiancé, convicted a father of a 10-year-old honor murder after the crime was reclassified;[15] and, for the first time, the Canadian government informed new immigrants:

Canada's openness and generosity do not extend to barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, "honour killings," female genital mutilation or other gender-based violence. Those guilty of these crimes are severely punished under Canada's criminal laws.[16]

Islamic gender apartheid is a human rights violation and cannot be justified in the name of cultural relativism, tolerance, anti-racism, diversity, or political correctness. As long as Islamist groups continue to deny, minimize, or obfuscate the problem, and government and police officials accept their inaccurate versions of reality, women will continue to be killed for honor in the West.

The battle for women's rights is central to the battle for Europe and for Western values. It is a necessary part of true democracy, along with freedom of religion, tolerance for homosexuals, and freedom of dissent. Here, then, is exactly where the greatest battle of the twenty-first century is joined.

Phyllis Chesler is emerita professor of psychology and women's studies at the Richmond College of the City University of New York and co-founder of the Association for Women in Psychology and the National Women's Health Network. The author wishes to thank Jonathan Francis Carmona, graduate student at Hunter College, CUNY, for the statistical tests for this study, and Prof. Howard Lune, director of the Graduate Social Research Program at Hunter College.

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THE TRUTH ABOUT HONOR KILLINGS AND STATISTICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST ISLAM

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Worldwide Trends In Honor Killing cont:

Table One: Entire Population (N = 230)

REGION Worldwide North America Europe Muslim World
AVERAGE AGE 23 25 22 23
BY PERCENTAGE
Killed by Family of Origin^1,2 66 49 66 72
Family Position¹
-- Daughter/Sister 53 50 49 56
-- Wife/Girlfriend 23 27 34 17
-- Other³ 24 33 27 27
Paternal Participation⁴ 37 53 39 31
Multiple Perpetrators 42 42 45 41
Multiple Victims¹ 17 30 7 21
Tortured¹ 53 39 67 49
Motive⁴
-- "too Western" 58 91 71 43
-- "sexual impropriety" 42 9 29 57

1 Significant according to a chi square test.
2 Family of origin includes fathers, mothers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles, and male cousins.
3 "Other" includes mothers, aunts, cousins, and no familial relation.
4 Significant according to a Pearson correlation test.

Table Two: Women Only, All Ages (N = 214)

REGION Worldwide North America Europe Muslim World
AVERAGE AGE 23 26 21 23
BY PERCENTAGE
Killed by Family of Origin^1,2 69 52 66 75
Family Position¹
-- Daughter/Sister 56 52 53 58
-- Wife/Girlfriend 24 28 37 17
-- Other³ 20 20 10 25
Paternal Participation⁴ 39 52 42 33
Multiple Perpetrators 42 45 44 40
Multiple Victims¹ 18 30 7 21
Tortured¹ 54 35 68 51
Motive⁴
-- "too Western" 58 89 73 44
-- "sexual impropriety" 42 11 27 56

1 Significant according to a chi square test.
2 Family of origin includes fathers, mothers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles, and male cousins.
3 "Other" includes mothers, aunts, cousins, and no familial relation.
4 Significant according to a Pearson correlation test.

Table Three: Females 25 Years of Age and Younger (N = 129)

REGION Worldwide North America Europe Muslim World
AVERAGE AGE 17 18 18 17
BY PERCENTAGE
Killed by Family of Origin^1,2 81 94 77 82
Family Position¹
-- Daughter/Sister 74 94 67 73
-- Wife/Girlfriend 14 0 20 14
-- Other³ 3 6 13 13
Paternal Participation⁴ 54 88 54 46
Multiple Perpetrators 46 75 46 38
Multiple Victims¹ 17 30 8 20
Tortured¹ 53 25 72 47
Motive⁴
-- "too Western" 57 88 74 38
-- "sexual impropriety" 43 12 26 62

1 Significant according to a chi square test.
2 Family of origin includes fathers, mothers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles, and male cousins.
3 "Other" includes mothers, aunts, cousins, and no familial relation.
4 Significant according to a Pearson correlation test.

Table Four: Females 18 Years of Age and Younger (N = 68)

REGION Worldwide North America Europe Muslim World
AVERAGE AGE 15 15 14 13
BY PERCENTAGE
Killed by Family of Origin^1,2 89 90 86 90
Family Position¹
-- Daughter/Sister 82 100 78 79
-- Wife/Girlfriend 8 0 13 6
-- Other³ 10 0 9 15
Paternal Participation⁴ 70 100 68 61
Multiple Perpetrators 39 80 32 32
Multiple Victims¹ 25 29 16 30
Tortured¹ 55 30 83 58
Motive⁴
-- "too Western" 55 80 67 41
-- "sexual impropriety" 45 20 33 59

1 Significant according to a chi square test.
2 Family of origin includes fathers, mothers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles, and male cousins.
3 "Other" includes mothers, aunts, cousins, and no familial relation.
4 Significant according to a Pearson correlation test.

Table Five: Females 26 Years of Age and Older (N = 51)

REGION Worldwide North America Europe Muslim World
AVERAGE AGE 36 40 31 37
BY PERCENTAGE
Killed by Family of Origin^1,2 44 0 31 65
Family Position¹
-- Daughter/Sister 24 0 13 37
-- Wife/Girlfriend 55 89 87 26
-- Other³ 21 11 0 37
Paternal Participation⁴ 8 0 13 7
Multiple Perpetrators 30 11 43 30
Multiple Victims¹ 9 29 8 5
Tortured¹ 45 44 53 44
Motive⁴
-- "too Western" 56 88 69 38
-- "sexual impropriety" 44 12 31 62

1 Significant according to a chi square test.
2 Family of origin includes fathers, mothers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles, and male cousins.
3 "Other" includes mothers, aunts, cousins, and no familial relation.
4 Significant according to a Pearson correlation test.

Methodology

This study analyzes 172 incidents and 230 honor-killing victims. The information was obtained from the English-language media around the world with one exception. There were 100 victims murdered for honor in the West, including 33 in North America and 67 in Europe. There were 130 additional victims in the Muslim world. Most of the perpetrators were Muslims, as were their victims, and most of the victims were women.

The perpetrators and victims in this study lived in the following twenty-nine countries or territories: Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France, Gaza Strip, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, and the West Bank.

In general, statistically significant interactions were found for age, geographical region, the participation of multiple perpetrators (mainly members of the victim's family of origin, including the victim's father), family position, multiple victims, the use of torture, and the stated motive for the murder. Between 1989 and 2009, honor killings also escalated over time in a statistically significant way.

Worldwide, the majority of victims were women; a mere 7 percent were men. Only five men were killed by their families of origin whereas the rest of the male victims were killed by the families of the women with whom they were allegedly consorting or planning to consort with either within or outside of marriage. The murdered male victims were usually perceived as men who were unacceptable due to lower class or caste status, because the marriage had not been arranged by the woman's family of origin, because they were not the woman's first cousin, or because the men allegedly engaged in pre- or extramarital sex. Men were rarely killed when they were alone; 81 percent were killed when the couple in question was together.
Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes. In this study, worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims. In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings; in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage. In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims. With only two exceptions, the victims were all members of the same religious group as their murderers.

In the West, 76 individuals or groups of multiple perpetrators killed one hundred people. Of these perpetrators, 37 percent came from Pakistan; 17 percent were of Iraqi origin while Turks and Afghans made up 12 and 11 percent, respectively. The remainder, just under a quarter in all, came from Albania, Algeria, Bosnia, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guyana, India, Iran, Morocco, and the West Bank.

[1] "Ending Violence against Women and Girls," State of the World Population 2000 (New York: United Nations Population Fund, 2000), chap. 3.
[2] BBC News, June 22, 2004.
[3] Yotam Feldner, "'Honor' Murders–Why the Perps Get off Easy," Middle East Quarterly, Dec. 2000, pp. 41-50.
[4] See, for example, SoundVision.com, Islamic information and products site, Aug. 24, 2000; Sheila Musaji, "The Death of Aqsa Parvez Should Be an Interfaith Call to Action," The American Muslim, Dec. 14, 2007; Mohammed Elmasry, Canadian Islamic Congress, Fox News.com, Dec. 12, 2007; Mustafaa Carroll, Dallas branch of the Council of American-Islamic Relations, FoxNews.com, Oct. 14, 2008.
[5] Phyllis Chesler, "Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?" Middle East Quarterly, Spring 2009, pp. 61-9.
[6] According to the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient, the most widely used measure of correlation or association.
[7] See, for example, SoundVision.com, Aug. 24, 2000; Musaji, "The Death of Aqsa Parvez Should Be an Interfaith Call to Action"; Elmasry, Fox News.com, Dec. 12, 2007; Carroll, FoxNews.com, Oct. 14, 2008.
[8] Chesler," Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?"; "A Civilized Dialogue about Islam and Honor Killing: When Feminist Heroes Disagree," Chesler Chronicles, Mar. 2, 2009; "Jordanian Journalist Rana Husseini on 'Murder in the Name of Honor: The True Story of One Woman's Heroic Fight Against an Unbelievable Crime,'" Democracy Now, Oct. 21, 2009.
[9] Fox News, Feb. 16, 2009.
[10] Kim Gandy, NOW president, "Below the Belt. No Woman, No Culture Immune to Violence against Women," Feb. 20, 2009.
[11] BBC News, Oct. 5, 2006; Aisha Stacey, "Why Muslim Women Wear the Veil," IslamReligion.com, Nov 15, 2009.
[12] James Brandon and Salam Hafez, Crimes of the Community: Honour-based Violence in the UK(London: Centre for Social Cohesion, 2008), pp. 136-40.
[13] Brussels Journal, July 2, 2006.
[14] Deutsche Welle (Bonn), Dec. 29, 2009.
[15] The Guardian (London), Dec. 17, 2009.
[16] The National Post (Don Mills, Ont.), Nov. 12, 2009.
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In its place would be the meme of a new mental archetype, which had, (in that subgroup of the humanoids, which began to understand the implications of the new technological inventions) transmuted the 'supernaturality virus' into a viral neuronal infection known as CIS-HSI or 'Complex Inferioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus' by the extraterrestrial observers.

This meme infection of the cis-hsi would so begin to 'war against' the old meme infection of the supernaturality virus, also known as the CSS-HSI or 'Complex Superioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus'.

The old meme infection had resulted in a worldview of considering the external environment as superior and controlling relative to the humanoid realms of understanding; and the new meme infection induced the opposite, the idea of the humanoid worlds beginning to control and dominate the exterior environments.

However this human mentality also induced a 'false humility', namely the idea, that to consciously and in full awareness of the 'self' as human individuation to continue the 'controlling of the terrestrial environment'; ANY notion of a 'greater encompassing' intelligence had to become 'supernaturalised' and so exiled into the realm of the meme infection of the 'others', the other humanoids, suffering the css-hsi insanity infection.

Relegating the human existence to a relative insignificance as compared to the extraterrestrial universe would instil the idea of a 'false humility' before the 'grandeur of the encompassing cosmos' in the new 'highpriests' of the new global religion of organised and politico-economical associated academia establishment.

Then the 'intelligentsia' would begin to dominate and seek to control all information shared with the 'uninitiated' lower classes and including the 'other' meme infected humanoids, suffering, like themselves, from an eonold virus, causing CSI-NMO or Complexus Syndroma Insanus -Nil Memoria Originalis.

The mental disease, the extraterrestrials knew was confined to the quarantined humanoid planet and as the Meme-Virus, which prevented the infected carrier to remember their origins, causing a comatose forgetfulness.

Both humanoid meme- infections parasited the homo sapiens insanus genus however and prevented this typology to metamorphose into 'Wise Man' in the genotype of Homo Sapiens Sapiens and as originally targeted by the gardeners at the time of the planting.

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#1412116

This is like the grand explanation behind some mind expanding work of science fiction, only lacking the context or fluency to make it especially intelligible or persuasive.

6/11/2012 1:09:58 PM

#1412140
Giardano Bruno

Can we please stop posting quotes from people who are clearly ill?

Not funny or clever.

6/11/2012 1:52:08 PM

#1412173
Greater Good

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be Evangelion fan fiction or an entry for the SCP Foundation.

6/11/2012 3:36:21 PM

#1412187
Raised by Horses

Logorrhoea, meet technobabble.

6/11/2012 4:25:44 PM

#1412207
Brendan Rizzo

If my interpretation of this rambling is correct, then well, it's nice to see a fundie opposing religion, I guess.

6/11/2012 5:37:06 PM

#1412256
Percy Q. Shunn

6/11/2012 8:29:46 PM

#1412295
zipperback

@Giardano Bruno

If we stopped posting quotes from the mentally ill we'd lose most of Rapture Ready and the best of Moonbattery.

Hell this isn't even displaying serious mental illness such as a personalized persecution complex that's typical of paranoia.

This is just a very elaborate worldview not based at all on facts which, you might notice, can also describe most religions.

6/12/2012 12:37:02 AM

#1412311
Reynardine

Has this guy ever had a cogent thought?

6/12/2012 2:01:10 AM

#1412362
Mad_Jester

@Greater Good:

Yeah, I started thinking "SCP" while I was reading it, too. O noes! Keter-class memetic virus!

Might make for a decent piece of fiction, if he weren't taking it seriously. I'd read it.

6/12/2012 6:17:04 AM

#1412387
Doubting Thomas

You wrote this while high, didn't you?

6/12/2012 7:16:55 AM

#1412394
Ahad Ha-am

TL;DR. Can anyone even make sense of this word salad?

6/12/2012 7:39:25 AM

#1412409
Flah

Mizgaflorn Shluprid Glomhar.

There. I can make up silly words too.

6/12/2012 8:32:13 AM

#1412415
shykid

What does this even say?

I'm a bit sick of both of these memes, but it's the only response that seems to fit.

6/12/2012 8:55:28 AM

#1412476
Power Skunk

I made it to the second sentence before going crosseyed. As punishment for my failure, I shall take a shot for each sentence I didn't get to. Then read it again. Maybe it'll make sense then.
"The liver is evil. It must be punished."

6/12/2012 12:09:21 PM

#1412489
Pie Man

Wait, what?

6/12/2012 1:37:12 PM

#1412553

...is this some wacky Reality Marble description Kinoko Nasu churned out while high?

6/12/2012 10:16:50 PM

#1412554
Mikgof

I think that he was explaining the origins of religion. But don't hold me to it. It could just as easily been a biscuit recipe in Sanskrit.

6/12/2012 10:27:06 PM

#1412662
Papabear

Here's hopin' YOUR mental disease is quarantined.

6/13/2012 1:14:46 PM

#1412684
Pule Thamex

No idea what this is about, but I'm imagining that after a period of its intense study perhaps I could penetrate its inner meaning and find it to be one-up on the more typical abracadabra, hocus pocus, sky wizard type scenario.

However, I suspect that in reality it will continue to be beyond the ability of mortal man to fathom its wonders and that it will reveal its secrets only to those of a certain ...er ... mental capacity.

6/13/2012 3:23:38 PM

#1412694

How come mad people tend to be so bad at writing English for comprehension?

I'm not taking the piss, it's a question based on what we at FSTDT often see of genuinely ill people. I don't for a moment think it's stupidity or a lack of education, but I'm confused as to what else it could be.

6/13/2012 3:43:38 PM

#1412719
Tatsukun

Assuming this was generated with software, it's not bad. If it's a person, that's just sad.

6/13/2012 4:29:40 PM

#1413985

O rly?

6/18/2012 2:44:19 AM

#1418066
No words

...

6/30/2012 1:05:00 AM

#1728025
anothga

The FUC11 did I just read?

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This is an excellent, albeit cryptically humourous description of the present world.
It is indeed an attesting to the present groupmind of human civilization, if the previous comments are indeed indicative of this mentality.

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7453p30-the-factuals-versus-the-old-age-bs-or-oabs#115886

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The Original Message from November 22nd, 2011 at 16:08 UCT for the solar transit from Scorpio into Sagittarius (the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus).
As can be discerned, the context of this message regarding the atomic massacres of the 'rational skeptics' following World War II has been conveniently omitted to portray a particular viewpoint regarding a 'fundamentalist religious' perspective of ridicule.

ISAAC NEWTON'S ALCHEMY AND EZEKIEL'S TIMELINE TO 2012

Newton's Dream Realised and the Completion of Scriptural Prophetic Archetypology to enable Universal Reconfiguration

Prelude
"The most significant event in human history with respect to extraterrestrial intelligence within the greater universe, was the application of nuclear technology and science in the detonation of the two atomic bombs 'Little Boy' and 'Fat Man'over Hiroshima on August 6th, 1945 and Nagasaki on August 9th, 1945 respectively.

The 'observing' extraterrestrial intelligence then understood, that the 'human seeds' had indeed found 'new toys' in their 'playground' on the 'aliens' exiled 'mother planet' to use in their mental ignorance regarding their stewardship of the 'planet of the humanoid seed'.

But the 'watchers' and the 'gardeners' also knew, that this 'new wartoy' of the nuclear energy misapplied, had initiated the 'timeline' they had known would one day allow the humanoid mentality to progress from the 'supernaturality meme complex' to its antistate of the 'naturalis inferus'.

Soon the scientific paradigm would transmute into a globally applicable 'new religion', which would render the old memes of the 'supernatural' as superfluous archetype.

In its place would be the meme of a new mental archetype, which had, (in that subgroup of the humanoids, which began to understand the implications of the new technological inventions) transmuted the 'supernaturality virus' into a viral neuronal infection known as CIS-HSI or 'Complex Inferioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus' by the extraterrestrial observers.

This meme infection of the cis-hsi would so begin to 'war against' the old meme infection of the supernaturality virus, also known as the CSS-HSI or 'Complex Superioris Syndrome Homo Sapiensis Insanus'.

The old meme infection had resulted in a worldview of considering the external environment as superior and controlling relative to the humanoid realms of understanding; and the new meme infection induced the opposite, the idea of the humanoid worlds beginning to control and dominate the exterior environments.

However this human mentality also induced a 'false humility', namely the idea, that to consciously and in full awareness of the 'self' as human individuation to continue the 'controlling of the terrestrial environment'; ANY notion of a 'greater encompassing' intelligence had to become 'supernaturalised' and so exiled into the realm of the meme infection of the 'others', the other humanoids, suffering the css-hsi insanity infection.

Relegating the human existence to a relative insignificance as compared to the extraterrestrial universe would instil the idea of a 'false humility' before the 'grandeur of the encompassing cosmos' in the new 'highpriests' of the new global religion of organised and politico-economical associated academia establishment.

Then the 'intelligentsia' would begin to dominate and seek to control all information shared with the 'uninitiated' lower classes and including the 'other' meme infected humanoids, suffering, like themselves, from an eonold virus, causing CSI-NMO or Complexus Syndroma Insanus -Nil Memoria Originalis.

The mental disease, the extraterrestrials knew was confined to the quarantined humanoid planet and as the Meme-Virus, which prevented the infected carrier to remember their origins, causing a comatose forgetfulness.

Both humanoid meme- infections parasited the homo sapiens insanus genus however and prevented this typology to metamorphose into 'Wise Man' in the genotype of Homo Sapiens Sapiens and as originally targeted by the gardeners at the time of the planting.

But the harvest would now become possible in the teleological projection of the TimeWave Zero.
67.29 years from the midpoint of the 'Day of no Return' - when the cis-hsi meme was born in the humanoid war-experiment; the harvest for the gardners
would begin.

August/7-8, 1945 + 67 years + 106 days = November/21-22, 2012 as the 'Day of Ophis', the Day of Dinah, the 13th starsign, the Day of the 'Serpent-Tamer' and of the 'Water-Bearer', preparing the 'Last Supper' and the 'Seder' for the 'Wedding Feast' of the gardeners, ready to return to 'Solomon's Garden' to join the 'Dark Madonnas' upon their 'Light-Red Mares' to their 'White Lucifers' upon their 'Black-Pale Horses'."

Ode of Solomon's Running Water to Maria's Wings of Eagles
{SongOfSolomon.1.5-7;Matthew.24.28;Luke.22.10;Revelation.12.14,19.17-18}

Or is it something a little different?

If just one consciousness carrier and data collector in a world realizes something of cosmic significance as a 'new thought' or memeplex; would then not the butterfly effect of chaos theory and/or the 100th monkey syndrome of Sheldrake's Morphogenetic Resonance allow the 'End of an Older World' to make way for a 'Newer World'?

"I apologize for the multiplication and this was caused by a number of edits I had to do in an attempt to encapsulate this article about dark energy and consciousness in a succinct a manner as possible.
I even had to replace one edit from research gate and replace it. The newest version is on research gate at the moment.

http://www.researchgate.net/publica...tivity_Dark_Energy_and_Physical_Consciousness

The reason I sent you those latest articles, is because it directly relates to your new quest relating the dark energy to the ZPE and consciousness.
You must have heard about the ‘accelerating universe’ and the multitude of papers it triggered. You might not recall, that Hogan in 1998 said something like this: “You know in your heart that this is wrong, but the data is what it is!”
So have the last 17 years of attempting to create a model for the cause and purpose of cosmological acceleration been in vain?
I knew even then in 1998; that Hogan was correct from his intuitive heart perspective and that the universe behaved rather like standard cosmology expected; namely decelerating under gravity in tandem with the thermodynamically expanding universe.

And should you look at the sketch for the dark energy below (I have deleted the rest); you can see that the Einstein Lambda reaches its minimum at a cosmological redshift coordinate of z=1.15, which corresponds to the High Redshift Project of Schmidt and the supernova project of Perlmutter from that time, Hogan commented.
So it was the dark energy which changed gradient from that point, I called the ‘Peak of Galaxy Formation’.
At the same point, the inherent deceleration (linked to the Milgröm Modified Newtonian Gravity (MOND) model in some aspects) proceeded as expected and as you can see as the ‘asymptotic approach' to the 0 (from below).

So can you see all this as relevant to your paper; knowing that this dark energy graph is the sketch of our physical consciousness?

You can address and simplify this somewhat like this:
The universe was born with a very simple geometric background, relating to the minimum entropy state addressed by many like Penrose of course.
So the physical consciousness aka the Dark Energy DE became concentrated in potential energy vortices, which would later ‘blossom’ or open up like a newborn flower might open from its bud following the rising of the sun after a dewed night.

This becomes the first protostars as Gamow’s ylem neutronstars etc from Black Hole-White Hole dual systems as energy emitter-receivers intersecting the dimensional topologies.
DE aka Consciousness so utilized the expanding space becoming available by the continuous cosmic expansion under lightspeed c slowing down under the gravity exhibited by the restmass seedling as the overall matter potential in the ylem vortices.

After about 4 billion years (see the Dark Energy paper also addressing Witten’s preference for the Einstein Lambda to be 0: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282157129_The_Nature_and_Origin_of_the_Dark_Energy_and_the_Cosmological_Constant), the absolute minimum of the DE was reached at the maximum point of galaxy formation from those vortices.
From this cosmic coordinate onwards, the CE changed its decrease of allowing the Consciousness to emerge from its potential to manifesting this potential energy dynamically.
This then became the observation of the ‘accelerating universe’ from the supernova spectra appearing to be more distant than they would have been under a decelerating cosmology.

But the redshift interval from z=1.08-1.84 (for a present epoch) defines a dimensional intersection in the cyclic n-coordinated cosmology, meaning that the electromagnetic spectrum selfintersects in the Hubble oscillation (poetically the heartbeat of the universe).
The most recent measurement for the Hubble constant from the Planck mission is about 67.8 (km/s)/Mpc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law and it was so 72 in most of the last years (1 Pc=3.26 lightyears ~ (3.26)x9.47x10¹⁵ metres).

Now the standard cosmological model calculates the ‘Age of the Universe’ from this as 72 (km/s)/Mpc ~ 2.3x10^-18 Hertz with inverse 4.3x10¹⁷ seconds or 13.6 Billion years and so the newer value should read 67.8 (km/s)/Mpc ~ 2.2x10^-18 hz with inverse 4.55x10¹⁷ seconds or 14.4 Billion years.

Why am I describing this?
Well the universe is 19.11 billion years old with a nodal Hubble constant of 58 (Allan Sandage would be pleased); but because of the dimensional selfintersection of the electromagnetic dynamics-expansion; the nodal Hubble Constant of 58 increases by 2.2 billion years in 16.9-2.2=14.7 billion years.

Therefore any light-spectra measurements undertaken by a present epoch observer should measure the universe as having an age of 14.7 billion years. And the recent Planck mission did just that (to the conundrums of the many cosmologists, invested in an age of the universe ‘too young’ by twice 2.2 or 4.4 billion years).

This data then serves to bring in a new scientific paradigm in the form of a ‘new global philosophy’ and where the mysterious, but generally acknowledged ‘Dark Energy’ becomes redefined as ‘Physical Consciousness’ of the universe in its selfconscious quantum entangled state as its own raison de etre!

The observing ET Intelligence on September 27th, 2015

[09-Oct-15 11:10:31 AM] raxnae: I saw your post about the "metaphorical" mental diseases suffered by humanity and thought it clever. How would such a disease pass, is it culturally? By the blood like the curse of Adam and Eve?
[09-Oct-15 11:52:40 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The planetary groupmind must reconfigure. Individual evolution can and has easily surpassed this, but imo only some external event can change the group consciousness as most of the populus is not selfmind trained enough to change or adapt to cosmic nous which might already be implemented, say as new thoughtforms or memeplexes

[10:15:29 AM-Tuesday, October 13th, 2015 +11UCT] raxnae:

A possibly interesting dream I had last night, I was doing some kind of oriental cooking class and was on a small wooden tower and failed my class miserably falling literally to where they fed the hogs, then I began floating, my body became like the stereotypical Jesus in white robe and red sash. I was floating over ill repaired bridges not knowing if I was the one flying over or if the "Inquisitor" was pulling me over. When I arrived they began to grab the back of my head and force my memories to play out from my eyes like a movie, the inquisitor now looking like the girl who took my virginity said "Where is the device for mass killin." I instantly remembered where I left his ill named device, in the void, and I said "No memory of mine can show you where it is look all you want." The device in question is a small hour glass laying perfectly horizontal on its side so the sands are even in both halves. if it tips one way life grows if it tips another life dies, growth and entropy that sort of duality, so laying it on its side was a sign of balance between the forces of nature etc.

[10:19:25 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah:

Excellent dream. It might indicate that you have now reached a point of balance in your incarnational agency, say as ambassador for the true unified creator-creation or AbbaBaab dyadic monad. Your dream so is both personal and universal. Universal in the sense that new archetypes are becoming cosmic law and are no longer subject to the whims of whoever say the disruptive and destroying influences symbolised by your exlover.
You failed the cooking class on earth, because you graduated in a higher class of the Logos and from where your remembrances became awakened.
The inquisitor is your higher Logos self in the archetypology.
The inquisitor so is testing you in this instance if you have reached enough cosmic mindedness to use your root memories in a cosmically responsible manner

[10:22:13 AM] raxnae: ah now that is something interesting
[10:23:01 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The symbolism of the hourglass of cyclicity being made constant in expression so also indicates that the timeline of the 'normal' planetary evolvement has changed for the better in the higher dimensional sense and perception
[10:23:53 AM] raxnae: these are all exquisite bits of information, I can now see it clear as day

[10:25:24 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Lol yes rax, your presence of still being here shows that you are adept and graduated to help reconfigure this old world into a new one just as your 'secret weapon' usage indicates
Its not a personal thing, but a collective effort of the planetary groupmind being able to cosmically tune into higher reality. Because this dream of yours was so poignant and logical it shows that your cosmic identity is manifesting physically from the metaphysical in your old world identity

[10:27:16 AM] raxnae: that is great news indeed

[10:27:45 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: In the last year or so you have become universally minded and this now shows in my analysis
Most 'love and lighters' and nabsers are not at all much aware of their cosmic natures and insist on preserving their old human ways and identities at all costs

[10:29:03 AM] raxnae: yes it is a sad sight to my eyes

[10:29:33 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: But as you know the great wars have begun and it is not so much a war of weapons but a war of the minds, especially dogmas and ideologies

[10:29:54 AM] raxnae: yes

[10:30:20 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: The old humans who are willing to hybridise to become part human and part ET, are the ones who can pioneer the new memeplexes and thoughtforms

[10:30:48 AM] raxnae: that is one piece of the Grand Dream after all haha

[10:31:05 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Oh your dream here is superimpressive. Can I share it?

[10:31:18 AM] raxnae: sure can

[10:31:25 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Thank you rax

[10:31:45 AM] raxnae: no problem you are a good friend even if we speak rarely

[10:32:12 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It might help a few others so similarly learn how to focus their mentalities towards the change of the old systems most of us want but are unable to foster much
We are ET family in quasi exile on Terra

[10:33:19 AM] raxnae: yes indeed so the old story goes

[10:34:34 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: There is much truth in the nabs-alternative information, as there is in the mainstream. Separating the nonsense and human minded egocentricity from the cosmic natural orders and jurisprudence is the difficulty

[10:35:26 AM] raxnae: I agree I tend to miss a lot until someone else sees the solution, sometimes I see the solution but lack the words to express

[10:36:26 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Well as your dream has showed you; you are the controller of your own destiny and this manifests as having access to certain 'hidden' or secret information.
Now the trick to understand is that everyone has such a 'secret' and how to understand that the many 'hidden agents' are all one family of a universal logistics and expression of a unified waveentangled self is the great hurdle of the human mind, no matter how humble it pretends to be
The unified wavestate is the easy bit for the search for harmony and love and the evolvement of any cosmic civilisation.
The problems begin when this unified natural state of being ness becomes asked by itself irts own unity, to manifest itself in separation.

[10:39:53 AM] raxnae: getting past the self is quiet the hurdle to jump

[10:40:12 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: This of course is any physicality in incarnated morphology or bodyform. Yes but its the physical unity, not the metaphysical self.
Your dream has allowed your metaphysical self to blend with your physical self. This is why it is so impressive

[10:41:28 AM] raxnae: I see

[10:41:47 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: It is like the sudden unification of the quantum paradox and the unification of the wave-particle duality. So it is metaphysical, but scientifically expressible.
The simplest way to see the dilemma of the human mind is to express it in the difference of what Unity in Separation is
Unity in Separation is equal in expression and logic to Separation in Unity.
But Unity in Separation leads to a totally different cosmology, than Separation in Unity.
Unity in Separation means that there can be many worlds, people, beings, ETs, universes all unified within themselves.
This leads to Many Worlds and the idea that cosmic truth is opinion. Everyone can make and create their own truth etc.
It also leads to the Multiverse cosmology as separated spacetimes, each capable of harbouring their own laws of nature say.
It is the 'Devil's Cosmology' because if you have different universes, what is the space or plenum or medium into which all those different worlds are embedded?
This becomes the mythological 'Hell' or whatever.

[10:47:15 AM] raxnae: good way of expressing it

[10:48:10 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Now Separation within Unity is different, as then here there must be a unifying common medium or spacetime plenum connecting the separated worlds and universes within itself.
This is the 'Logos Cosmology' as the envelope or encompassment of All That is or can be is eternally contained within its own Oneness, family or Unification Principle.
Can you see the difference?

[10:49:32 AM] raxnae: yes one is destined to madness the other to paradise

[10:49:37 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Exactly. And the present time on terra is a mental collective madness expressed as a contrast to mental stability as say in science and the rational mind of what the humans call the ET
So its all a war of the self with the enemy within or a similar metaphor

[10:51:41 AM] raxnae: yes Loki went through such a struggle haha and then it all came back to the blood brother pact, odin and loki are one and the same; no ragnaroks needed

[10:52:56 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Yes you can use this old Celtic archetype or many of the native creation mythos to identify the group consciousness indigenous to Terra
Yes this is Osiris and Set , redeemed and fought over by their sons in Egyptian creation mythos or Jacob and Esau in the Torah and Abel and Cain in Genesis and Enki and Enlil in Mesopotamian lore and on and on

[10:54:40 AM] raxnae: indeed it is an oft told tale

[10:54:46 AM] Shiloh Za-Rah: Ancient symbols retold and revisited to finally give the universal messages to the civilizations evolving mentally through their eons
I will add this as a reply to the post you commented upon; the one about the metaphorical human mind diseases

[11:00:38 AM] raxnae: alright sounds good

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I Am the Darkness of the Purple Dawn and the Light of the Moon Turquoise!