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Islamophobes

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The fact that the majority of smokers do not develop lung cancer does not negate the fact that smoking is the main cause of lung cancer; likewise, the fact that the majority of Muslims do not develop terrorism does not negate the fact that Islamic ideology is the main cause of terrorism.
– Tawfik Hamid (aka Tarek Abdelhamid)
Egyptian author and former member of the militant al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya.

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Europe will soon go under because of its former liberalism that has proved childish and suicidal. Europe has produced Hitler, and after Hitler the continent stands there with no arguments: the doors are wide open for Islam, they no longer dare talk about race and religion while Islam only knows the language of hatred against alien races and religions.
I should say a few words about politics too … Then I would talk about how Muslims are flooding, occupying, in clear verbs, destroying Europe, and how Europe relates to this, the suicidal liberalism and the stupid democracy … It always ends the same way: civilization reaches a certain stage of maturation where it is not only able to defend itself, but where it is in a seemingly incomprehensible worship of their own enemy.
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Imre Kertész
Hungarian author, Holocaust concentration camp survivor, and recipient of the 2002 Nobel Prize in Literature
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Quran… an accursed book…. So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.
– William Ewart Gladstone
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom four times between 1868 and 1894 (1809–1898).

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If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whomever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thorough silenced and concealed.
– Zakariya Razi (Rhazes)
Persian chemist, philosopher and physician, 865 – 925AD.

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Asked whether suicide bombing can be justified as a measure to defend Islam, 26 percent of American Muslims age eighteen to twenty-nine said yes. That is one quarter of the adult American Muslims under the age of thirty, and no matter how you count the number of Muslims in America (estimates vary from 2 million to 8 million), that is a lot of people.
– Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Somali-born American (formerly Dutch) activist, writer, and politician.

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During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any “social values” whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.
– Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt
26th President of the United States

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The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.
– Will Durant
American writer, historian, and philosopher (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981).

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To be blunt, their [Western] efforts to assist Muslims and other minorities are futile because, by postponing or at best prolonging the process of their transition to modernity — by creating the illusion that one can hold on to tribal norms and at the same time become a successful citizen — the proponents of multiculturalism lock subsequent generations born in the West into a no-man’s-land of moral values. What comes packaged in a compassionate language of acceptance is really a cruel form of racism. And it is all the more cruel because it is expressed in sugary words of virtue.
– Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Somali-born American (formerly Dutch) activist, writer, and politician.

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These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his (Islamic) government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, ‘that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise’.
– Thomas Jefferson
U.S. president addressing the Continental Congress about the brutal pirate attacks of the Muslim Ottoman Barbary (1801–1805 and 1815).

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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, lovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
– Sir Winston Churchill, 1899.
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom during the Second World War.

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There are many good men and women in the West who try to resettle refugees, scold their fellow citizens for not doing more, donate money to philanthropic organizations, and strive to eliminate discrimination. They lobby governments to exempt minorities from the standards of behavior of Western societies; they fight to help minorities preserve their cultures, and thy excuse their religion from critical scrutiny. These people mean well, I have no doubt. But I believe that their well-intentioned activism is now a part of the very problem they seek to solve.
– Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Somali-born American activist, writer, and politician.

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Pakistan and Bangladesh are their fixed deposits. Those are Islamic states. No one else can lay claim on them. India is a joint account. Plunder it as much as you please.
– Shiv Prasad Roy
Indian Bengali writer.

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This is a profession of faith of a Muslim: ‘I certify that there is no God other than Allah, of whom Mohammed is the only prophet’, which means in effect: After and before Mohammed, there is nobody else…’Thus the whole religion of Islam is based on negation: nobody but us, no other religion but ours’. And if you disagree, you shall die. This puts a serious limitation to tolerance and from this strong belief sprang all the horrors of the Muslim invasion of India.
– Francois Gautier
French writer and journalist based in India.

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If Muslim people do not change their mind in spite of the changes of social conditions, and if we supplement Islamic courtesy and law without explaining and advertising real Islamic beliefs at the same time, then it is impossible to save the minds of the people.
– Ma Fuxiang
Chinese military and political leader spanning the Qing Dynasty.

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The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective… by fraud, or by force.
– John Quincy Adams
American statesman who served as the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829.

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Nor can the Plundering of Infidels be in that sacred Book [the Quran] forbidden, since it is well known from it, that God has given the World, and all that it contains, to his faithful Mussulmen, who are to enjoy it of Right as fast as they conquer it.
– Benjamin Franklin
American revolutionary, diplomat, inventor and one of the Founding Fathers of the United States (January 17, 1706 – April 17, 1790).

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… The point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom.
–St. Thomas Aquinas (Contra Gentiles, Book One, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4)
Italian Dominican friar and Catholic priest and an immensely influential philosopher and theologian in the tradition of scholasticism (1225 – 7 March 1274).

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Over a billion people believe in Allah without truly knowing what Allah supposedly stands for or what he really demands of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be Moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of Islam, which are floridly lacking in morality. They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by Islam, instead of examining Islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion.
– Professor Bertrand Russell
British philosopher, logician, mathematician, historian, and social critic (18 May 1872 – 2 February 1970).

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Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.
– Joseph Ernest Renan
French expert of Middle East ancient languages and civilizations (28 February 1823 – 2 October 1892).

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Religious harmony is a desirable thing. But it takes two to play the game. Unfortunately such a sentiment holds no position in Islamic theology.
– Ram Swarup
Independent Hindu thinker and prolific author (1920 – 26 December 1998).

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In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle.
– John Quincy Adams
American statesman and the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829. He also served as a diplomat, a Senator and member of the House of Representatives. (July 11, 1767 – February 23, 1848)

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Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965).

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Without demolishing religious schools (madrasas) and minarets (mosques) and without abandoning the beliefs and ideas of the medieval age, restriction in thoughts and pains in conscience will not end. Without understanding that unbelief is a kind of religion, and that conservative religious belief a kind of disbelief, and without showing tolerance to opposite ideas, one cannot succeed. Those who look for the truth will accomplish the mission.
– Mevlana Jalal ad-Din Rumi
Persian Sufi poet and philosopher. Sufi’s have been outlawed and persecuted for seven centuries in the Islamic world (1207 – 17 December 1273).

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The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt, slavery and enmity.
– Dr.B.R. Ambedkar
Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer (14 April 1891 – 6 December 1956).

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Do not suppose the statements of the prophets to be true; they are all fabrications. Men lived comfortably till they came and spoiled life. The sacred books are only such a set of idle tales as any age could have and indeed did actually produce. They recite their sacred books, although the fact informs me that these are fiction from first to last. O Reason, thou (alone) speakest the truth. Then perish the fools who forged the religious traditions or interpreted them!
– Al-Ma’arri
11th Century blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer. He labeled religions in general as “noxious weeds” and lay claim that Islam does not have a monopoly on truth.

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You can live amicably with a religion whose principle is toleration. But how is it possible to live with a religion whose principle is ‘I will not tolerate’? You cannot build unity on such basis. Perhaps the only way of making the Mohammedans harmless is to make them lose their faith in their religion.
– Sri Aurobindo
Born Aurobindo Ghose, was an Indian nationalist, philosopher, yogi, guru, and poet (15 August 1872 – 5 December 1950).

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A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965).

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Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. God is not pleased by blood – and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death.
– Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos
Conversation between the Emperor and a Persian scholar, 1391.

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Some, indeed, dream of an Islam in the future, rationalised and regenerate. All this has been tried already, and has miserably failed. The Koran has so encrusted the religion in a hard unyielding casement of ordinances and social laws, that if the shell be broken the life is gone. A rationalistic Islam would be Islam no longer.
– Sir William Muir
Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).

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Let it be said right away: the massacres perpetrated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese in early days of America.
– Francois Gautier
French writer and journalist based in India.

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The Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history.
– Will Durant
American writer, historian, and philosopher (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981).

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The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed many dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed. Indeed, the presence of Muslim historians on their various campaigns has ensured that the memory of their deeds will live long after they were buried…..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.
– Irfan Husain
Pakistani columnist and writer for Dawn.

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….eighty million were slaughtered and millions of women were raped…..it was standard practice for Islamic warlords like Ghori and Ghazni to unleash the mass rape and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of women after the slaughter of all males.
An extremely large percentage of Muslims in South Asia today are the progeny of forcible conversions and systematic rape campaigns by marauding Muslim invaders.
– Dr. Younis Shaikh
Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist and freethinker.

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..the number of victims of the persecutions of Hindus by Muslims is easily of the same order of magnitude as that of the Nazi extermination policy, though no one has yet made the effort of tabulating the reported massacres and proposing a reasonable estimate of how many millions exactly must have died in the course of the Islamic campaign against Hinduism (such research is taboo). On top of these there is a similar number of abductions and deportations to harems and slave-markets, as well as centuries of political oppression and cultural destruction……
– Koenraad Elst
Belgian orientalist and Indologist.

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Muslims will only live as an oppressive majority and a turbulent minority.
– Dr K D Prithipal
Professor of Comparative Religion, University of Alberta.

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A nationalist Muslim is only a contradiction in terms.
– Sardar Ballavbhai Patel
Indian barrister and statesman, leader of the Indian National Congress and one of founding fathers of the Republic of India (31 October 1875 – 15 December 1950).

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From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions.
– Alain Danielou
French historian, intellectual, musicologist, Indologist (4 October 1907 – 27 January 1994).

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The inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ‘unbelievers’ has spring up naked and unashamed…. We have seen, revived, as guide in practical politics, the old Muslim religion of the sword…. In thinking of an independent India, the menace of Mohammedan rule has to be considered.
– Annie Besant
British socialist, theosophist, women’s rights activist, writer and orator. Party member of the Indian National Congress (1 October 1847 – 20 September 1933).

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The penalty for apostasy in Islamic law is death. Islam is conceived as a polity, not just as a religious community. It follows therefore that apostasy is treason. It is a withdrawal, a denial of allegiance as well as of religious belief and loyalty. Any sustained and principled opposition to the existing regime or order almost inevitably involves such a withdrawal.
– Bernard Lewis
British-American historian, scholar in Oriental studies, and political commentator.

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The contrast between our own faith and Islam is most remarkable. There are in our Scriptures living germs of truth, which accord with civil and religious liberty, and will expand with advancing civilisation. In Islam it is just the reverse. The Koran has no such teaching as with us has abolished polygamy, slavery, and arbitrary divorce, and has elevated woman to her proper place. As a Reformer, Mahomet did advance his people to a certain point, but as a Prophet he left them fixed immovably at that point for all time to come.
– Sir William Muir
Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).

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He (Muhammad) poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust: to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.
– John Quincy Adams
American statesman and the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829. He also served as a diplomat, a Senator and member of the House of Representatives. (July 11, 1767 – February 23, 1848).

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Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets offer him [Muhammad] any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly.
–St. Thomas Aquinas (Contra Gentiles, Book One, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4)
Italian Dominican friar and Catholic priest and an immensely influential philosopher and theologian in the tradition of scholasticism (1225 – 7 March 1274).

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I have devoted most of my time during the last six months to the study of Muslim History and Muslim Law and I am inclined to think that Hindu-Muslim unity is neither possible nor practicable… I do honestly and sincerely believe in the necessity and desirability of Hindi-Muslim unity. I am also fully prepared to trust the Muslim leaders, but what about the injunctions of the Koran and Hadis. The leaders cannot override them.
– Lala Lajpat Rai
Indian Punjabi author and politician who is chiefly remembered as a leader in the Indian fight for independence (28 January 1865 – 17 November 1928).

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If we go by the lessons of history we have to accept that the goal of the Hindu-Muslim unity is a mirage. When Muslims first entered India, they looted the country, destroyed the temples, broke the idols, raped the women and heaped innumerable indignities on the people of this country. Today it appears that such noxious behavior has entered the bone marrow of Muslims. Unity can be achieved among equals…. I am of the view that Hindu-Muslim unity, which could not be achieved during the last thousand years, will not materialize during the ensuing thousand years.
– Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay
Bengali novelist and short story writer (15 September 1876 – 16 January 1938).

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The tree (of Islam) is of artificial planting. Instead of containing within itself the germ of growth and adaptation to the various requirements of time and clime and circumstance, expanding with the genial sunshine and rain from heaven, it remains the same forced and stunted thing as when first planted some twelve centuries ago.
– Sir William Muir
Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).

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Indeed, the truths that he [prophet Muhammad] taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning. Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms.
–St. Thomas Aquinas (Contra Gentiles, Book One, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4)
Italian Dominican friar and Catholic priest and an immensely influential philosopher and theologian in the tradition of scholasticism (1225 – 7 March 1274).

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A very important factor which is making it almost impossible for Hindu-Muslim unity to become an accomplished fact is that the Muslims cannot confine their patriotism to any one country. I had frankly asked many Muslims whether, in the event of any Mohammedan power invading India, they would stand side by side with their Hindu neighbours to defend their common motherland, I was not satisfied with the reply I got from them.
– Rabindranath Tagore
Bengali polymath and Nobel Prize winner in Literature who reshaped Bengali literature and music, as well as Indian art (7 May 1861 – 7 August 1941).

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• Post n°26

Re: FRANCE NOW

shiloh Today at 11:26 am
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The bull s*** is being heavily smeared on the wall, plain to see. Here in The Mists, you get to witness the tactic used to disrupt and denigrate anyone with an ounce of clear thinking. Enjoy your front row seats.

Pris wrote:
blue roller wrote:There is nothing more tiresome than a Christian judging a Muslim when both faiths have a common root. Fanaticism. Crabs fighting in a bucket and dragging each other down while God pours in the water and puts them all on a slow boil.

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March 24, 2015 at 11:07 am



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• Post n°27

Re: FRANCE NOW

Pris Today at 5:43 am
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Lesson for the day:

How to take something out of context in order to 'disrupt, denigrate, deter, deny, deceive, dissuade, discredit, delay...' [must thank David Wilcock for the D words].

See above.

 

Pris wrote:
burgundia wrote:

Pris wrote:​

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The bull s*** is being heavily smeared on the wall, plain to see. Here in The Mists, you get to witness the tactic used to disrupt and denigrate anyone with an ounce of clear thinking. Enjoy your front row seats.​

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So you have noticed that too...

Uh-huh. May I remind everyone that although we may be sitting on our arses, never underestimate the power of words to wake people up. Wars are also waged with keyboards.

Even if just one person wakes up and sees what’s going on here, then it's all worth it.

Remember, the clearer the message, the more likely it is to ring clearly in your heart.



Brook said:



For the LOVE of God! We may be human....but we're still animals.

Pris said:

'God' knows no love. And, don't insult the animals.


God' knows no love?
You would know this how?

Insult the animals?
You're so funny. Seriously!

Pris said: ...never underestimate the power of words to wake people up. Wars are also waged with keyboards.


Do you actually believe words on a forum are going to wake people up?
Big battle of the keystroke eh? Silly really...
Your online paramour has been playing with words...perhaps someone should tell him an anagram is a type of word play that uses the exact amount of letters. Perhaps I've upset him?
Well allow me to share the Mists of Avalon with you.
There are people here very much awake thank you but they also have their own faith. Be it Buddha, Shiva,the "prime creator", an elemental, Jesus, Dragonomy, or a wisard! Witch witch is witch eh?
On this forum your friend and now I'm supposing you are going to school us eh?
Wake us up with words...word play no?
I'm seriously enjoying this new school you've opened to us simple minded folks.
But before you blow your top and say another silly rhetorical sentence.
Perhaps you and your fellow might just find you are singing to the choir.

Do you know your enemy?


btw...tell your buddy my man and soul mate is Blackfoot. His name is Lionhawk.



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Carol wrote:


Pris, there were multiple eruptions/attacks in various countries within a very short period of time. This is not random acts of terrorism.. Someone is coordinating all of this from a vantage point beyond our viewpoint. It's like the world full of puss filled zits popping out all over the place leaving a mess wherever they erupt. The true tragedy is all of the innocent victims caught in the cross-fire and those who are injured along with who lose their lives. It appears that one of the agendas is to erode national boundaries and push folks into what I perceive as a one-world-government. Not going to happen but the cabal is at work and the enemy feeds off the fear, hate and anger. China is gearing up as is Russia. Remind you of anything?

Eyes open, no fear.


The Alien Nation on Its Way

By Greg Richards
The Obama administration wants to let in a large number of Syrian refugees. It varies from 10,000 to 100,000, but since the truth is not in our president, those are probably just waypoints to an unlimited migration from the Middle East – i.e., the numbers are gruberfacts, chum for the chumps.
Liberals, which means the Democratic Party, are wailing about the responsibility America has to welcome these refugees, driven from their homes by the winds of war. We are a nation of immigrants, and it is our duty to welcome this next wave. If we don't, we are bigots.

We know a lot about liberals. They give things away. They are so concerned with whatever problem they identify that they are passionate about giving away what you have built to, as they think, deal with it.
It is not that they are simply misguided. If that were the case, they would welcome these refugees into their homes and neighborhoods. Where their kids played pick-up football, there would now be a mosque, with the muezzin calling the faithful to prayer five times a day, every day. Their girls would be attacked if they go scootering uncovered from head to toe or walking in their bathing suits to somebody's swimming pool. Their kids' schools would be disrupted for Muslim foot-washing, closed for Muslim holidays, and attacked for observing Christian and traditional American holidays. This would all be part of the gorgeous mosaic in which they would gladly participate.
Not.
They never expect to see any of these refugees. They are going to be somewhere else while they congratulate themselves on their open-mindedness.
Liberalism can liquidate a society. It cannot build one. The Syrian refugees are an opportunity for liberals to push further toward liquidation of the American Experiment.
That is the result, but we still have to articulate the conservative argument: why is it a bad idea to welcome a migration of Muslims into America? Conservative resistance to this is characterized by liberals as bigotry. We know it isn't that. So what is it?
The problem is that Islam is a culture alien to the culture of America. Ours is a culture that has been built up:

• over 3,500 years in terms of Judaism – i.e., the Ten Commandments;
• over 2,000 years in terms of Christianity;
• over 500 years in terms of Protestantism;
• over 300 years in terms of the Scottish Enlightenment – i.e., the primacy of the individual over the state;
• over 250 years in terms of America itself, of liberty and constitutional republicanism, of the rights of minorities in the face of the majority.

We are the heirs:

• of very specific conceptions of mankind and our unalienable rights;
• of very specific relationships between the individual and the state;
• of very specific Christian ideas of what we owe each other and how we treat each other – the golden rule, love thy neighbor as thyself;
• of very specific ideas of the separation of church and state.

The Enlightenment split into two streams of thought. In the Scottish Enlightenment, to which the Founding Fathers were heirs, the individual comes before the state. In the French Enlightenment, the state is the highest expression of humanity and comes before the individual. This is the wellspring of fascism and, really, communism.
So, while America is part of Western civilization, we are a unique part. We have a distinct heritage and a distinct culture.
Islam is alien to that culture. It is based on dominance, not equality, within society and aggression toward and death for nonbelievers. It is a philosophy of constant war, of jihad against the infidel. It is a political philosophy that guides every aspect of society and the state. There is no right of the individual and no separation of church and state. Because it is based on a divine and perfect revelation – the Koran – organizing a society upon the desires of its members – democracy – is blasphemy.

So the question for conservatives, who expect to live with the consequences of our decisions as liberals do not, becomes…is it wise to bring in huge numbers, or really any number, of people from an alien culture whose allegiance is to that culture?

Conservatives say "no."
Why?

Let's examine the modality of a Muslim in America, a Muslim with allegiance to Islam. We are engaged in a war with Arab Islam. Our president refuses to accept this, but as Leon Trotsky said, "you may not be interested in war; but war is interested in you."
And that is where we find ourselves, even if Obama chooses to, or pretends to, live in fantasyland. When did that war start? In 1996, with Osama bin Laden's fatwa "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places." This was followed in 1998 by a second fatwa, "Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders," signed by the World Islamic Front, of which bin Laden was a member. So we have been warned by Arabs in proper Muslim fashion. The courtesies have been observed.

We in the West are used to dealing in terms of nation-states, to which their citizens owe allegiance. Nation-states are divided into religions, or religious sects.
Islam is not that way. Islam consists of the collective of believers, the ummah, which may be divided into nation-states but for whom the primary identity is Islam itself. No one person speaks for Islam, but we cannot be befuddled by that. We have to understand the claim to universality that Islam has on its adherents. The Muslim owes allegiance to Islam, not to a nation-state. And he is proud of this fact; it is his identity.

So the situation we face in this country is that Arab Islam in the Middle East, which is where Islam began, is conducting jihad against America; that the refugees are part of the Arab Islamic ummah; and that their religion tells them that it is permissible, even admired, to lie to enemies – us – in order to advance the Muslim jihad. In terms of the ummah, we are being asked to open our doors to soldiers of jihad, not to civilians who seek a better life on American terms.
Liberals talk in terms of moderate Muslims. But what does that mean in the context of embracing our society? It is liberals transferring their values on another culture. It is – there is no other word for it – racism at its starkest. It is seeing another people as so inferior that we should not take their openly expressed ideas and objectives seriously. Conservatives, on the other hand, treat Muslims with the respect of believing what they say.

We can say that all other immigrants before the current era came to America to join our culture, to join themselves to the American adventure. They may have kept their own traditions at home and in their neighborhoods, but in the larger world, they came to be part of America.
But what would that process be for a Muslim? Sayyid Qutb, the theoretician of the Muslim Brotherhood, in his extremely influential book Signposts on the Way, wrote of the corruption of American society in 1949(!), when he lived for a time in Colorado. The mores of teenagers dancing and the music they were dancing to were unbearably degenerate to Qutb, when for us that was a halcyon time in a halcyon place.
How would a Muslim see American culture today? As the abominations of…

• men marrying men and women marrying women
• sex in our entertainment
• observance of a hated religion
• women acting like harlots by going out disrobed in public
• slaughtering of animals in an unclean way
• equality and independence of women
• freedom of thought and action

America is the Great Satan. In Islam, Satan is a seducer. That is what American, Western culture represents to Islam: a seduction away from the true path to Paradise.
By being refugees, they are coming with their culture intact. They are not, as have other immigrants, deciding that their culture, their society, is inferior, is failing, and consequently, at great personal risk and effort, abandoning that society, all that is familiar, to make their way in the New World. This wave of refugees is coming expecting not to make its way, but to be served. Muslims are coming not to join our culture; they disdain it. They don't admire us; they are disgusted by us.
And let's not confuse ourselves. To the extent that we are at war with Islam, it is the Islam of Arabia. Even in Iran, Islam is layered on the native culture, not a part of it. There may be 1.5 billion Muslims, but they are not at war with us, nor we with them.
Lastly, as we seek to preserve our own culture, which we have every right, even a duty to do, from this unique episode of our attempted colonization by an alien nation that seeks to dominate us, not be schooled by us and join us; and as liberals engage us with, as they imagine it, a superior moral tone, ask the question that Rush Limbaugh asked on the air last week. If it were the case that these immigrants always voted overwhelmingly Republican, what would the position of the liberals be?


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shiloh Today at 6:18 am


November 27, 2015

ISIS and US: Believers vs. Agnostics

By G. Murphy Donovan



Political leaders, East and West, are separated by more than custom, tradition, or practice. The divide is cultural.

Put aside for the moment obvious things like power differentials or even notions of winning and losing. The Caliph of the Islamic State is obviously having a better year than any politician in the West if anyone keeps score these days. The Friday the 13^th Paris pogrom and that sabotaged airliner full of Russian tourists clearly go into the win column for Caliph Baghdadi. Kinetic failure in the West is again manifest: no Intelligence, no warning, no defense, and no real coalition. Canada defected from the deployed anti-ISIS team just days before the recent Paris massacre.

Put aside for a moment obvious considerations like strategy too. The Muslim sword is as keen on strategy as it is about goals. Strategy, if there is one, for the celebrated “60 nation” fantasy coalition led by team Kerry/Obama is some combination of spin, apologetics, ephemeral “crisis management,” and punitive air strikes. Real military strategy in Europe and America, alas, has been an orphan since George Patton’s Jeep accident.

Where success is demonized, winning is apostasy.

With few visible coalition troops on the ground, save special operators, allied tactics are moot too. Relevant tactics for the moment are Islamist. The Muslim kit now includes: immigration, open borders, airline sabotage, suicide bombings, beheadings, gang rape, slavery, forced conversion, iconoclasm, media manipulation, financing, and recruitment. Indeed, while the fantasy American cabal boasts 60 stealth partners, ISIS has 90 nations which actually put real fighters, and God knows what else, on the killing fields. Gruesome Jihadi tactics are now a global export.

Eurocentric press coverage helps to atomize the threat. The jihad in black Africa is near invisible yet actually sees more casualties of late. Mali is a recent example.

Frontline recently found, filmed, and interviewed the faculty and student body of an ISIS training school in Afghanistan. Somehow, wired media shills are able to find jihadi base camps but the 17 agencies of the bloated American Intelligence Community and those uncountable DOD agencies cannot.

So let’s grant those “nefarious characters,” as DCI Jim Clapper likes to euphemize Islamic terrorists, the obvious: serial operational victories, coherent strategy, and devastating tactics. Our purpose here is to speak of more important things, real differences between East and West in these Muslim wars, fundamental considerations like belief; indeed, the kind of faith that alters the vector of history.

The Ummah, apostates notwithstanding, is a decentralized culture of true believers. Europe and America have no similar unifying faith or ideology. A legacy of Greco/Roman and Judean/Christian heritage to be sure, but neither plays much of a role in European or American thinking these days. Indeed, the West has all but forfeited the ideological conflict, granting moral equivalence to repressive enterprises like imperial, colonial, and even fascist religion. Recall that at one time or another America has provided material or political support to Fatah, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, a host of al Qaeda affiliates, and most recently Shia Hezb’allah. The latter literally translates as “Party of God.”

Yankee tanks might be used now against Israel by Sunni and Shia jihadi alike. America is now the arsenal of social democracy - and Islam.

Given the usual ambiguity, if not duplicity, that characterizes relationships with kefirs, today’s Muslim ally or “moderate” is tomorrow’s jihadist. Indeed, the loyalty of tribal or religious Muslims often only lasts as long as the baksheesh holds out. Team Kerry/Obama often complain about Russia strengthening ISIS in Syria and then fail to mention that the Islamic State Army is fighting with equipment and ammunition that were made in America.

How many Palestinian “partners” are Fatah, or worse still, Hamas? How many Persians are Hezb’allah? How many Afghan mujahedeen are now Taliban? How many Egyptians are Muslim Brotherhood? How many Saudis or emirate dilettantes are al Qaeda? How many black Africans are Boko Haram? And we dare not ask how many Sunni Turks, Syrians, Somalis, or Iraqis are ISIS because an Islamic State census now would require a global survey that would have to include migrants to Minnesota. ISIS is being “contained” in the same sense that the Fatah, Hamas, the Taliban, Boko Haram, and al Qaeda have been defeated.

Belgium gives the lie to any notions of containment. The Muslim cells that struck in Paris were orchestrated in a section of Brussels that is a stone’s throw from HQ EU. Molenbeek was a known safe haven for jihadists. And now, consistent with death wishes, the EU plans to replenish Islamist losses in Molenbeek with more unvetable Muslim refugees from the Levant. You can’t make this stuff up.

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A Schengen zone, like globalization, is another one of those ideas where wishful thinking has always been at odds with experience or prudence.

Ruth Marcus in the Washington Post flails Americans about “moral” responsibilities for refugees, yet has little to say about the now chronic atrocities of Muslim thugs. For Twitter naïfs like Marcus, the bigotry of low expectations is burka, blinder, and worldview.

Belief in the West is often certified by polls, head count evidence if you will. The most recent Pew survey of Muslim support for ISIS is an eye opener on two counts. Pollsters still spin the numbers, but the bad news speaks for itself anyway. A recent Pew headline claims that the majority of Muslims do not approve of ISIS. However, the poll didn’t include key states: the tribes of Arabia, North Africa, Afghanistan, and much of the Levant. Even in places like Pakistan up to 70 percent of the population have positive or ambiguous sentiments about the Islamic State. If Pew numbers were normalized with data for states excluded, ISIS support with Muslims globally might range, conservatively, between 20-30 percent, in fact revealing a support base of up to 500 million righteous souls.

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Anecdotal evidence is even more probative. When Turk soccer fans the other day were asked for a moment of silence to honor recent French terror victims, the plea was met with hoots of derision and chants of “allah’hu akbar.” Turkey is just another NATO partner in the same sense that Islam is just another religion.

While perfidious Turks and Arabs are embraced, Russians and Israelis are vilified, stiff-armed, and boycotted.

Withal, for agnostic Europe and America, facts about theology or Islamic beliefs play no role in jihad threat calculus. France and the internet hackers of Anonymous have declared war on ISIS. The American national security establishment, in contrast, has declared war on intelligence critics like Edward Snowden. Indeed, blaming Snowden for intelligence deficits today is of a piece with crackpots like Bernie Sanders blaming ISIS depredations on global warming or unemployment.

Since the latest Paris atrocity, both the FBI and DHS have claimed that there are no known “credible” threats to America. In the same time frame, ISIS has released at least two videos specifically targeting New York and Washington, DC. Clearly, the same clueless apathy that enabled 9/11 is alive and well inside the Beltway today.

Meanwhile, James Comey, incumbent FBI director, blames dotcom encryption for performance anxiety or clue deficits midst federal agents and analysts. Recall that Comey was once an opponent of warrantless wiretapping. Comey and his colleagues in the Intelligence Community are now loath to admit that data collection isn’t the real problem. NSA is awash in data. The problem is analysis, all those self-imposed political mandates that now prevent any federal analyst, no matter the evidence, from calling a Muslim spade a spade.

The American national security establishment is in denial, unable to admit that the ideology of sharia and jihad, indeed Islamic culture, is a very real part of the struggle. We are regularly lectured that radicals, militants, and jihadists are not Islamic. We are led to believe shooters, bombers, and butchers misread the Koran or misinterpret so-called prophets like Mohammed. Yet these same apologists, John Brennan at CIA is on point here, seldom tell us what Koran or Hadith readings or interpretations are misread. Indeed, the very notion that CIA, DOD, or the White House is capable of determining what is or is not Islamic is preposterous.

Islam cannot be “a great religion” or culture, without the same moral accountability as other polities. Calling jihadists “criminals” is a little like confusing a head cold with the Ebola virus.

Muslims, like any other religious culture, are rightfully judged on their behavior and accomplishments, or lack thereof, not on wishful thinking, 7^th Century holy writ, or “prophets” with dubious pedigrees.

The dystopic future which Samuel Huntington prophesied is not so much a “clash” now as it is a unilateral surrender in the world of ideas. All things being equal, the West now celebrates self-mutilation, a universe where any vile theology is the equal of any other. The West is a culture that has disarmed unilaterally at best -- or capitulated at worst.

Difficult as it is to be cynical about the home team, ideological castrati are now the ascendant leadership cohort in Europe and the Americas. Mohammed’s madmen, in contrast, are motivated by belief, ideas for which they will die. Civilization east of Islam doesn’t know what it believes anymore, surely nothing worth fighting for. The coalition of the unwilling is content to simmer in a stew of guilt, fear, apology, and false hope.
Allah’hu akbar!

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November 27, 2015

The umbilical cord of Palestinian love and Israeli hatred

By Barry Shaw


I have never met anyone, apart from Arabs who describe themselves as Palestinians, who really gives a genuine damn about the Palestinians unless the issue is linked by an umbilical cord to the hatred of Israel.

Somehow the two things are welded together to the extent that you have to think what comes first: the Palestinian chicken or the Israeli egg.

Those who adopt the Palestinian cause use it as a club to beat Israel. Show me anyone who loves the Palestinians without hating Israel.

Their professed love of Palestinians is selective. They love them only if Israel is lurking there somewhere in their narrative.

They don't actively love them if Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, and other Palestinian abusers are in the picture. Then they go silent. I wonder why.

No BDS campaigns against Egypt for their blockade on Gaza. No pro-Palestinian protests outside Syrian embassies for their wholesale slaughter of Syrian-based Palestinians. BDS has nothing to say about Apartheid – Jordan that has kept Palestinian Arabs stateless, actually in refugee status, since 1948. No peep even against the Palestinian Authority that maintains refugee camps in the territories that they control and administer. How can you be a Palestinian refugee when you live under the control of the Palestinian Authority? Go figure, because I don't have the answer. Perhaps BDS does.

People who don't care about the Kurds, Yazidis, or Druze yell and scream about the Palestinian condition. Those who do nothing to help Tibetans overcome Chinese oppression, those who merely cluck about Rwanda, Sudan, and Darfur, suddenly discover the Palestinian cause.

If occupation is their schtick, how come they do nothing to protest Turkey's occupation of northern Cyprus or Morocco's occupation of the Western Sahara? Why no boycott campaigns against the two hundred countries that have an occupation issue? How come it's only Israel that makes them mad?

This professed love for the Palestinians goes hand in hand with a professed hatred of Israel. The deep hatred that festers against Israel – and I talk about deep hatred, not criticism – is all about Israel being the nation-state of the Jewish people.

It is an exclusive despicere that goes against all reason and logic, and it shows itself in the falsehoods and the perversion of facts and history and the blood libels that we Jews are so familiar after centuries of similar defamation.

Separating the factual partially implemented and often 'wished for' 'ptb-agendas' from disinformative 'ptb' agendas often using mainstream media AND alternative media within the context of a 'failed cultural memeplex', might enable a few members of the self-destroying culture to discern fact from hysteria and fiction​

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Re: FRANCE NOW

shiloh Today at 7:58 am
Brook wrote:


"Separating the factual partially implemented and often 'wished for' 'ptb-agendas' from disinformative 'ptb' agendas often using mainstream media AND alternative media within the context of a 'failed cultural memeplex', might enable a few members of the self-destroying culture to discern fact from hysteria and fiction"

OUCH! Tony did you just spank me?

You know I confess I didn't really watch those videos except part of one that I had a tendency to agree with..I forget which one it was.

The title of that one thread set me off like a bell and you know me...when that starts look out!

I'm very serious about these ritual dates however. I'm starting to see a pattern here...and it really seems to be obvious. To me anyway and you're going to have to convince me I'm loosing my marbles...LOL

Ouch...I need a cookie and some

Thanks for the article btw Tony..it was pretty interesting. And I tend to agree in part. But you know that from my past leanings eh?


No Brook, no personal address at all was intended and yes I took notice of aspects I disagree with you, such as the semantics associated say with 'thout', whilst in general having some agreement with other descriptors regarding particular dates and synchronicities to do with 'ptb sacrifices' and so on.
However, and you might have noticed, certain developments which both of us realise underpin experienced reality on this planet both physical and mental, have shifted my focus from the potential solution and outcomes in a projectable future towards an emphasis towards a war of information, ideology and philosophy which must be fought.

In other words our disagreements regarding particular details in our respective cosmological interpretations fade in importance as to this real danger to this shared common legacy of our histories. And yes I am calling a spade a spade in resisting a number of agendas masquerading under many labels from left-o r rightwing politics to social justice and 'ptb perception engineering' to alternative sciences and alternative media and counter cultures.
As you can see on this forum and wherever you interact with the 'real world' of a planetary society; the vast majority of so called humans has maneuvered itself into ideological and self-opinionated corners of what in Judeo-Christian labelings is simply called 'self-righteousness'.
The idea of the nabser and political ideologue of 'surrender to the greater universal self' say, has become a worship of the individual self, which by its own definition, cannot be as informed or non biased as a form of 'cosmic integration' and assimilation with this 'greater self'.
The opinionated individual has succeeded to construct hisher own glass house of individual supremacy and autonomy, in which shehe justifies hisher often rather under-and misinformed factual information, history and concepts in whatever form of interaction shehe finds appropriate to defend their 'substance lacking' discourses.

The word 'objective truth' has become a 'no go zone' just as have original symbols such as 'Zion the Nation Israel' and 'Jesus as the core of peace emphasizing world religion' and as far removed from political christianity, papal and other ecclesiastical institutions, as is the utterly obscene and obnoxious label of calling political islam a religion of peace.

And so a politically impartial and a religiously impartial vox populi has become dulled and suppressed by by the self-obsessed individual worshipping himherself on the altar of relative and self-entered 'truth'. It is this hijacking of the 'individualistic supremacy of opinion', unaffiliated with any form of historical self awareness and responsibility, which has allowed a metaphysical vacuum to become created as a cultural memeplex or 'all pervading thoughtform' of personal self-relativism.

And so you could say, that 'my' agenda is no longer 'personal' but 'impersonal' in a greater context of a global clash of memeperplexification. Perhaps it would also serve your individual contexts better to become less responsive to 'personal' attacks and characterisations from the 'know it betters', and focus on the universal idiom of 'non-opinionated factual truth'.

But remember Jacob the Vitruvian man is also the Nation Israel and so the Vitruvian Human is also the Planetary Nation of Isaiah's Utopia!

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Brook Yesterday at 4:29 pm

Tony,

I never thought I'd be into spanking but that felt rather good!

All kidding aside I would like to take what you just wrote and copy it on my thread because I would like to expand on your thoughts which align with many of mine.

You and I may not always agree but we often think very much alike. This is why I've always had a place in my heart for you..and of course Raven!

I don't want to take this thread anymore off topic than it already has been. I owe Burgundia that courtesy.

See ya in a few....

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shiloh Today at 4:10 am
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First of all...Tony! I wish I'd get to see more of that from you. I don't mean just the context of the conversation but the overall you. You rock...you really do.

So...where to begin. The small things first.

I have a confession to make. A long time ago...I'm talking back in 2010 here on the Mists if you'll recall there was this person here who would hop on thread simply to disrupt and desecrate. If you might recall it was (I'm not sure of the spelling) here by a member named Devakas who had a thread on the Bhagavad Gita and she was pasionate about it. It was her religion. Far be it from me or anyone else to intervene and quite frankly it was a rather nice thread until this other person came along and tramped on it.

So...Merc got upset and I got upset...and he kind of "guided me" to "take care of it". What I did then was trigger the heck out of this person deliberately to bring her out and show EXACTLY what she was doing. Man did it work! It worked so well the person confessed right on the thread and Merc was able to take care of it. Then we both decided to remove all the effects of that triggering on her thread and let her continue with it. It worked quite well. After that of course Merc lost his wife...and he asked ME to watch out for the place as he knew I cared about other peoples choices.

This is not to say I've not disagreed with members here and taken a shine in my own stance. But this whole place works and has continued without the trolling of senseless attacks which not long ago I brought up to Carol and squashed once again with the double accounts....which were coincidentally followed by the member who now follows the "personal attacker" of yesterday.

So push come to shove...I deliberately triggered this guy to bring out the "real him" after he singled me out and it worked so well. I knew from day one what would trigger him from 1) his reaction to a photo of Robin Williams and John I had added to his thread and 2) I took the time to study him and EXACTLY what would trigger him based on a thread from Avalon. I knew I would have to take a bashing from him...it was inevitable. That is why it worked so well. Come on Tony...You know me...do you really think I care what this guy thinks or says about me? Have you read what he writes? Whoa!!!!!!!! I have a bit more self confidence than that...and of course could care less. What I wanted as a goal was to show the members EXACTLY what this guy is. And show that he does not practice what he Preaches and thus the magnanimous contradictions observed. He did exceed my expectations!

End of that story...on to better things in your content in the next post which I absolutely loved!







Now...on to the main body of your post which was very well received.

While yes, you and I have disagreed several times we actually agree more than not. As long as I've known you I'm well aware you are a very well Educated man. Thus leaning on the facts in most cases and not the expanded nonsense which has been prevailing for quite some time now. I actually stopped watching youtube videos on the subjects as they are highly edited with extreme prejudice. Which is why I noted I did not watch that video but focused on that title and it triggered my 'affliction' which some might call a gift and I certainly DO NOT! It sucks! I don't like it..I don't want it yet I have to live with it. Do you really think I relished seeing my sons funeral before he died? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Or for that matter his fathers death when I was 8 years old? What child would want that!

I think you know me well enough by now that I can say these things to you and you will understand what I'm saying.

You certainly know I'm a long time advocate against WAR and Poverty given my mothers fame in that area and her influence. I'm also a bit of an existentialist at heart which is often given to sheer disappointment in idealism. If only!

You remember about a year ago here on the Mists I had this blow out over antisemitism and sheer prejudice? I think you even intervened at some point if I recall. Well that will never change within me.

I've always believed that intention goes a long way....so does faith which often go hand in hand. Now...I'm just a no body and like it that way because it relieves me of the burdens to have to come up with answers all the time. I certainly do not have them in any case. I learned a long time ago when one thinks they have them...they cease to learn. That is an easy equation!

I am also deeply disturbed by what I'm seeing in the information, ideology and philosophy as do you. It's like watching a movie in many respects. I have noticed with much of the ideology and information comes great philosophical manipulation. which coming from that existential pov I added to that thread that guy attacked me for. Was it something I said? LOL

Id like to quote that part if I may:

""When a person gives their allegiance to an external belief structure, they may go in one of several directions. First, they often will become very rigid in their allegiance to the organization or structure to which they have committed. This type of conformity can be seen through various forms of fundamentalism -- religious, political, psychological systems, etc.

Second, they may present as being very committed to a belief systems or organization, but they feel very comfortable bending the rules where it does fit their desires. It becomes easy to bend the rules because they are not really committed to the underlying values system. However, when a person is deeply committed to authentic moral or value principles, they are less willing to act in ways which contradict these principles. The principles are authentic.""

I think you and I both witness a bit of that here lately no? I know I have.

So what are you left with?

The physics of cause and effect. Your personal expertise no?

Personally Tony I would not know where to begin to solve such a crisis as we are seeing today. But the physics of cause and effect do apply and it's quite disturbing.

I do however see it as a massive ritualistic event to beat them all and it's coming to a theater near you unless something gets done. I know I won't rely on the so called hero's of today that claim to have it all handled on the interweb savior programs...I do think it needs addressing.

But where to begin without conflict? The who, when and where is the choice that must be decided and it scares the hell out of me who makes that decision! I don't need another savior with a damned sword in his hand that's for sure!

Thank you Tony for the provocative post it provoked much thought/thoth.... (just kidding on the Thoth thing but I had to add that)

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A nice reply Brook and fully from the heart. I can see the real you indeed and it paints a universal panorama of you, well suited to a new world which must eventuate. Perhaps in our physical presence we might be able to accentuate.

I remember the anti-Semitic response I shared: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6757p15-jews-and-khazars-the-synagogue-of-shaitan-the-golem #27
This reply was of course undertaken from my usual position of presenting factual information with emotitve stimuli subdued. But a number of perceptions, even from my fact based and scientific position have changed since the Paris attacks. In a manner of expression, I have changed my position on the entire construct at the core of forums, such as this one - the so called NWO of the elitists, might those be secret quasi religious cults or 'illuminati' or the lucis trust or the Bilderbergers or Bohemian grove's skullduggeries.

I received a number of impressions, call, them dreams or inspirational messages or whatever. It does not matter. What matters is that certain new information can elucidate even balanced and rational unemotional perspectives into a greater realization of the factual data which was there before and ubiquitously available to anyone considering this data.
The major 'illumination' in my data base became the metaphysical agenda beyond any so called political or secular or NWO agenda I hitherto considered the major influencing factor in the present global situation.

On this forum and similar ones, the manouvers and agendas of the NWO, call them banksters (which they are indeed) or 'political globalisators' or 'economic investors' and 'alien conspirators' and so on becomes the be it and is all for the 'alternatives' I often collect under the label of the nabser, IF their counter agendas rest on half witted hear say and repetition of simplistic stereotyped labels placed on whatever 'scarecrow' they nabs mindedness conjures from its juxtaposed fantasy world.

This scripture code so describes the agenda behind the agenda rather well and also point to the core of your questions regarding a solution to the situs quo. And your expressed sentiments do strike at the heart of the matter;

Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


So disregarding any prevalent hatred for anything associated with Christianity or, Jesus or Paul or its physical political manifestations in organized religion; and considering this code relative only to its content, one can easily find, that a completely non-religious and secular 'evil ET' conspiracy with the 'ptb' can as easily become identified with this code, as can a more orthodox interpretation of associating this 'spiritual wickedness' with some sort of demonic or devilish existence as would have been engaged at the times when the code was constructed.

Now you perhaps know what my 'scientific' translation for this 'spiritual wickedness' becomes - memeplexes created not by ETs from outer space but by the 'integrated ETs' of the inner space, and a space you might call the universal soul native to anyone incarnated in this planetary realm.
And this 'Invasion from Within' is in fact then related to cause and effect, as you propositioned and subsequently subject to scientific and rational analysis and examination.

And this is of course what becomes a unifying force between reasoning, sufficiently educated and informed minds such as ours. Words are symbols and letters, which relate to the 'high places' in terms of whatever a 'higher dimensional' metaphysical reality can create. And those creation are as real in those realms, as are the cause and effect outcomes in the say lower dimensional realms.
So the fantasies of the nabsers form a particular realism in a direct correspondence of how deep or thorough those fantasy creations are made manifest in the worlds of the cause and effect, ergo the strength and conviction of the believers in the fantasies.
Then, and this is a focus, the difference between a nabser believing in the draconian invasion from the Orion starsytem and the imminent arrival of Nibiru and the belief by the bankster of creating the Amero then absorbing the Euro and the Denar in fiscal oligarchies becomes almost superfluous, as the belief in the economic pillars of the culture or society differs from the belief in political or philosophical pillars only in the semiotiks, symbols and archetypes used to construct those edifices of the cultures and subcultures.

You know that this is what I mean with memeperplexification or the reality of created thoughtforms, fed and supported by their own creators, namely the nabser and the oabser - bullshyters of the 'Old World' memeplexes and thought systems and those of the 'New World'.

So what is the solution?
The solution is to confront the created thoughtforms by the believers not in the realm of their manifestation, but in the realm of the 'high spiritual places' and to do that one must of course be able to enter those worlds.
To confront political islam, anti-Semitism, quasiscience or any of the many substance and data lacking memeplexes of the old human world will of course require a resistance memeplex to the thoughtform or belief system confronted.
But this 'war of the minds' and ideas will prove insufficient to 'destroy' whatever memeplex is considered the 'for or against' in say the 'warring parties'.

Any memeplex created cannot become uncreated, but must be rendered impotent as a memeplex.
In practical term and as an example, this could become the exposure and uncovering of political islam and its prophet and deity thorough historical, scientific and logical evidence.
Iow, when ordinary muslims begin to disassociate themselves from the believer memes they find themselves entrapped in, then the exbeliever muslim will actually become 'moderate' and rational due to hisher cessation of feeding the thoughtform labelled islam.
One could say that a memeplex can become 'unwelcome' in the creator or cocreator modality of the incarnated universal human and so a previously fed memeplex will literally starve itself into an effective form of nonexistence in the world of cause and effect.
The islam memeplex in this exemplar will continue to exist in the 'high spiritual places' but will become integrated into the memory collective of the universe as a memory of 'how it was'.

I'll end here for now. Thank you for your commentary Brook.



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Re: Jews and Khazars - The Synagogue of Shaitan - The Golem

shiloh on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:34 pm
Brook wrote:

In fact this is a great article written my USPCN....I'll post the whole thing.


Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon

Note: This statement was first published by the US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN) and is authored by all of the undersigned.

For many years now, Gilad Atzmon, a musician born in Israel and currently living in the United Kingdom, has taken on the self-appointed task of defining for the Palestinian movement the nature of our struggle, and the philosophy underpinning it. He has done so through his various blogs and Internet outlets, in speeches, and in articles. He is currently on tour in the United States promoting his most recent book, entitled, The Wandering Who.

With this letter, we call for the disavowal of Atzmon by fellow Palestinian organizers, as well as Palestine solidarity activists, and allies of the Palestinian people, and note the dangers of supporting Atzmon’s political work and writings and providing any platforms for their dissemination. We do so as Palestinian organizers and activists, working across continents, campaigns, and ideological positions.

Atzmon’s politics rest on one main overriding assertion that serves as springboard for vicious attacks on anyone who disagrees with his obsession with “Jewishness”. He claims that all Jewish politics is “tribal,” and essentially, Zionist. Zionism, to Atzmon, is not a settler-colonial project, but a trans-historical “Jewish” one, part and parcel of defining one’s self as a Jew. Therefore, he claims, one cannot self-describe as a Jew and also do work in solidarity with Palestine, because to identify as a Jew is to be a Zionist. We could not disagree more. Indeed, we believe Atzmon’s argument is itself Zionist because it agrees with the ideology of Zionism and Israel that the only way to be a Jew is to be a Zionist.

Palestinians have faced two centuries of orientalist, colonialist and imperialist domination of our native lands. And so as Palestinians, we see such language as immoral and completely outside the core foundations of humanism, equality and justice, on which the struggle for Palestine and its national movement rests. As countless Palestinian activists and organizers, their parties, associations and campaigns, have attested throughout the last century, our struggle was never, and will never be, with Jews, or Judaism, no matter how much Zionism insists that our enemies are the Jews. Rather, our struggle is with Zionism, a modern European settler colonial movement, similar to movements in many other parts of the world that aim to displace indigenous people and build new European societies on their lands.

We reaffirm that there is no room in this historic and foundational analysis of our struggle for any attacks on our Jewish allies, Jews, or Judaism; nor denying the Holocaust; nor allying in any way shape or form with any conspiracy theories, far-right, orientalist, and racist arguments, associations and entities. Challenging Zionism, including the illegitimate power of institutions that support the oppression of Palestinians, and the illegitimate use of Jewish identities to protect and legitimize oppression, must never become an attack on Jewish identities, nor the demeaning and denial of Jewish histories in all their diversity.

Indeed, we regard any attempt to link and adopt antisemitic or racist language, even if it is within a self-described anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist politics, as reaffirming and legitimizing Zionism. In addition to its immorality, this language obscures the fundamental role of imperialism and colonialism in destroying our homeland, expelling its people, and sustaining the systems and ideologies of oppression, apartheid and occupation. It leaves one squarely outside true solidarity with Palestine and its people.

The goal of the Palestinian people has always been clear: self determination. And we can only exercise that inalienable right through liberation, the return of our refugees (the absolute majority of our people) and achieving equal rights to all through decolonization. As such, we stand with all and any movements that call for justice, human dignity, equality, and social, economic, cultural and political rights. We will never compromise the principles and spirit of our liberation struggle. We will not allow a false sense of expediency to drive us into alliance with those who attack, malign, or otherwise attempt to target our political fraternity with all liberation struggles and movements for justice.

As Palestinians, it is our collective responsibility, whether we are in Palestine or in exile, to assert our guidance of our grassroots liberation struggle. We must protect the integrity of our movement, and to do so we must continue to remain vigilant that those for whom we provide platforms actually speak to its principles.

When the Palestinian people call for self-determination and decolonization of our homeland, we do so in the promise and hope of a community founded on justice, where all are free, all are equal and all are welcome.

Until liberation and return.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/palestinian-writers-activists-disavow-racism-anti-semitism-gilad-atzmon
To whom it may concern!

There is a difference between historical fact and this same historical fact as 'retold' and 'used' by particular and diverse factions.
This difference itself then becomes a history of the history in itself and can be abused by some factions, which have interpreted the original historical factualities in their own coloured agendas. Corollarily, the original facts can become embellished and in many ways overstated by factions or groups, who can perceive advantages to their agendas and philosophies.

Just because the Old Testament or Torah, often reads like the 'madness' of a rather bloodthirsty and jealous Jehovah-deity, does not mean that all 'literal' interpretation of the semantic translations are the literal 'truth' and constitute an all encompassing story of this and similar 'source books'. There can also be a number of interwoven esoteric interpretations and meanings in those sources, which can often be obscured by their exoteric appearances.

The importance of the 'YHWH chosen people' of the recent history, say spanning so 7 millennia rests in the written legacy from the time the present Earthbased civilisation began to settle and construct city- and nation states from an earlier nomadic lifestyles.

The written records of the Israelites so assume a timeless nature in their description of the 7000 years as a continuum, encompassing both an account of the original creation of all worlds, as well as allowing a timeflow from the present past into the future present.

It is this legacy, often associated with the 'intelligence' of this group of historical Homo Sapiens Sapiens, which should (and does in the appropriate scholorship) form the basic criteria of evaluation of this legacy and records.

A proper evaluation and 'reading' of this legacy can then clearly illustrate a timecontinuum, linked to prophecy and expectations for all planetary occupants. This is especially evident in decoding the emphasis of the Israelites on their lineages and genealogies: 'What it means to be such an Israelite'. The proper 'decoding' of the extended records, then also clearly indicates, that those lineages apply to all people and races of the Earth; just as the much mistranslated 'Letters of Paul of Tarsus' can show to the reader more informed, than the adherents of the factions, using the selfsame records, but interpreting this record as relative to their own beliefs, viewpoints and agendas.

It is not the 'fault' of the scribes and record keepers; who by whatever means inspired or mindfully creative, produced the 'source books'; that particular factions of their readership have used their testimonies to further their own, by then often rather filtered and coloured agendas of their own makings. It is not an error of the scribes and record keepers, that particular individuals of the group of humans, who identify themselves as 'Israelites', then associate themselves as 'kosher' and others, who they perceive not to be 'kosher' as 'Goyim'.

Then, in a time of wars and conflicts between nations and countries and clans and groups and families and individuals amongst each other and also addressing the 'enemy within'; the most time honoured and steadfast legacies will of course become a basis and platform for many such participators.

An example is the historical personage of Jesus-Yeshuah ben Joseph bar Thomas; who himself is a Jew, but is denied in his agenda by his own 'race' and by many of the 'other' races for reason of the individual 'war from within'.
In other words, the fervour and zealotry by which certain personages or groups or nations are 'warred against' becomes itself an indicator as to the potency of this individual or group or affiliation.

If you have a birthday upon this planet Earth, you are a 'Cosmic Israelite' and a 'Starseed' of Abraham and Sarah, so encoded.
This does not mean, that there do not exist a multitude of 'prodigal sons and daughters', who remain unaware abpout their cosmically ordained inheritances and birthrights.

The Thuban Council supports, the stated Palestinian statement as shared by Brook and the message from Mudra and adds that the encoded archetyped personage of 'Jacob the Supplanter' becomes renamed as 'Israel a Prince with God', after he 'wrestled Job-like with God's Angel' and prevailed in the source code Genesis.32.24-32.
From this simple correct factual decoding, it would be easy for the unbiased scholar to deduce, that the political state Israel is indeed a misnomer, as every incarnated 'SonDaughter of Jacob-Israel' so becomes the 'Holy Land' in hisher incarnated form of embodiment.

Furthermore, the 'Rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon' in Jerusalem, upon which much of prophecy, both orthodox and unorthodox, is based; would then likewise be more engaged in its fulfilment with a transformation of the bodyforms of Israel's DaughterSons; then some geopolitical location in the Middle East, over which the factions have squabbled and warred since its physicalised beginnings.

mudra wrote:
Brook wrote:

It's sad ....really sad to see how much HATE can permeate the human condition.

Mudra is it EVER going to stop? I wonder sometimes...I REALLY wonder.​

I really don't know about other people Brook.
That's why I keep saying it starts within, that peace is every step.
We should keep at heart that our enemy may become a friend once
Love is restored.
Our divine nature, our quintessence is Love.
What is hatred then ? It is Love lost in oblivion, ignorance of our core nature.
A sad place to be. A dark night for the Soul and a prison for self.



Love from me
mudra

Isaiah 14:28-30
King James Version (KJV)


28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.

29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.



shiloh, Tuesday, September 17th, 2013

Jorgelito - Posted 7 Minutes Ago

Re For Whom it may concern

Emeth, when I read this, bells went off . . .
The written records of the Israelites so assume a timeless nature in their description of the 7000 years as a continuum, encompassing both an account of the original creation of all worlds, as well as allowing a timeflow from the present past into the future present.
It hit me when I was in the shower. The written word was to not designed to communicate but to remember. It's almost the same thing. But when we remember it's like being there or just being. No duality. When we communicate, there's always a TO and FROM.

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You have indeed 'remembered' Jorgelito; It is much about remembrances as your personal cosmic eucharist of future pasts in images of the past histories in an eternal present, yet enabled to be experienced in linearity in an adventure of the wholeness within the many and a multiplicity within the Unity of One.

The Emerald Tablet of the Secret Messenger

{1} Truly, without fault and in all certainty and truthfulness; what is below is like what is above and the above is the same as the below, for the purpose to experience and bring about the wonders of the one thing.
{2} And as all things are created through the choosing of one being; so the thinking of one with the one, brings all things by command and fate together again.
{3} His father is the sun and his mother is the moon; the wind has carried him in his womb.
{4} He is joined together and nursed by the earth.
{5} This is the father of all completeness of the entire world.
{6} His power is all inclusive.
{7} At the time of its renewal, the soil shall separate from the fire and the subtle from the rough,
acting sweetly and with great ingenuity.
{8} He ascends sagaciously from the earth into heaven and then descends again into the earth, thus regaining the unifying force of the above and the below.
{9} In this way is all the glory of all the worlds obtained.
{10} Therefore avoid all ignorance.
{11} Herein is found in all strenght the strongest strength.
{12} By this can the remaining subtle whole be won and the old solid whole be penetrated.
{13} Thus is the creation of the world.
{14} Henceforth the eventuation of strange adaptations by extraordinary methods.
{15} Accordingly be well, Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom of the unified worlds.
{16} He will accomplish that of which I have spoken through the operations of the suns.

Mercury, the thrice-great, in Pimandro.


An ancient inscription is legendarily ascribed to the Egyptian Ibisgod Thoth and is supposedly his hieroglyphic legacy left as a testimonial in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu.
It was translated ages ago by German archaeologists and exists as a prototype in the 'Amphitheatrum Sapientae Aeternae of Heinrich Khunrath', the 'Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom' and is dated to 1609. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Khunrath


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Re: Jews and Khazars - The Synagogue of Shaitan - The Golem

Brook on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:29 pm
I'm not back but I do appreciate the thoughts.

However I do have this to say on some comments put forth.



If wisdom is to be recognized and taken into account in its purity and form the active relationship between cosmic determinism and human freedom is virtuous to maintain a will that is in accord with nature.

Destructive emotions resulted from errors in judgment, and that of a wise man/woman or person of "moral and intellectual perfection," would not suffer such emotions.

Only wisdom can be considered truly free, and that ALL moral corruptions are equally vicious.

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Re: Jews and Khazars - The Synagogue of Shaitan - The Golem

shiloh on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:55 am

Nabs Disinformation Agenda - Area 51 Disclosure - Kernel ET Agenda - Overview in Greater Agenda​

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[10:27:21 PM-July 21st, 2012 +10UCT] Ishtara Raven:
Baba Jaga is the Wise Woman of Fire. Some Romani/Gypsy families portray her as a phuri dai, the words for grandmother or Wise Woman. She represents the element of Fire and harmonizes with the other three: the mortar symbolizing herbs (Earth), bird legs on the cabin represent Air, and the element of Water flows as a creek between the legs.

Baba Yaga is sometimes shown as an antagonist, and sometimes as a source of guidance; there are stories in which she helps people with their quests, and stories in which she kidnaps children and threatens to eat them. Seeking out her aid is usually portrayed as a dangerous act. An emphasis is placed on the need for proper preparation and purity of spirit, as well as basic politeness. It is said she ages one year every time she is asked a question, which may explain her reluctance to help. This effect, however, can be reversed with a special blend of tea made with blue roses.

[3:33:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: Name in other languages

Baba Yaga is an archetypal character in the culture of many eastern European countries, and is known by different names across the region, including "Baba Roga" and "Baba Ruta" in Macedonian, Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian; "Baba Cloanța" in Romanian; "Je'ibaba" in Slovak as well as Czech; "vasorrú (literally "iron-nosed") bába" in Hungarian; "Баба (literally "Grandma") Яга" in Bulgarian; and "Bobbe Yakhne" in Yiddish. In other languages she is known as: (play /ˈbɑːbə jəˈɡɑː/; Bosnian: Baba Jaga; Belarusian: Баба-Ягіня, Baba-Jahinia; Bulgarian: Баба Яга, Baba-Yaga ; Croatian: Baba Jaga; Czech: Je'ibaba; Latvian: Baba Jaga; Polish: Baba Jaga; Russian: Баба-Яга, Baba-Yaga; Serbian: Баба Рога, Baba Rоga; Slovene: Jaga baba; Ukrainian: Баба-яга, Baba-yaha).
[10:33:36 PM] Ishtara Raven: did you know this about this fable?

[10:33:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: Baba means grandmother lol
[10:35:27 PM] Totanubis: Of course; Arachne
[10:35:54 PM] Totanubis: Baab=Grandmother with Abba=Grandfather as the grand plan of creation to populate the omniverse in starry and galactic generations
[10:37:55 PM] Totanubis: But it is all soo complicated and too long to read and whatever, better be a groupie and follower of conspiracies and evil reptoid agendas and New Age and Old Age BS

The Council of Thuban de Ra Akbar de Bayan Queen - The Gateway to the Dawn!
Disclosure from the Thuban Dragon ArkDen

Shiloh, Sunday, September 29th, 2013​

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An Historical Extraposition of the World Logos across Metaphysical Philosophies and Global Religions defining a galactic synchronisation in 13,990 days from September 1975 to December 2013 in





a Alpha Head=A*=|888|=Z=Omega Tail w​

Friday, September 12th, 1975 = JD#2,442,667.5=Day#0=12.18.2.3.5=13 Chicchan 13 Mol
Saturday, September 27th, 1975 = JD#2,442,682.5=Day#15=12.18.2.4.0= 2 Ahau 8 Chen
Monday, August 4th, 2008 = JD#2,454,682.5=Day#12,015=12.19.15.10.0= 3 Ahau 3Yaxkin
Friday, December 21st, 2012 = JD#2,456,282.5=Day#13,615=13.0.0.0.0=4 Ahau 3 Kankin
Tuesday, June 4th, 2013 = JD#2,456,447,5=Day#13,780=13.0.0.8.5=13 Chicchan 3 Zotz
Monday, December 16th, 2013 = JD#2,456,642.5=Day#13,975=13.0.1.0.0=13 Ahau 18 Mac
Tuesday, December 31st, 2013 = JD#2,456,657.5=Day#13,990=13.0.1.0.15=13 Kankin 2 Men
Wednesday, January 1st, 2014 = JD#2,456,658.5=Day#13,991=13.0.1.0.16=14 Kankin 3 Zip

15+12,000+1,600+360+15=13,990=13,780+180+30=13,615+360+15=13,975+15

This becomes further indicated by the precessional transit of the sun across the galactic equator.
The Mayan master timeline spans five great cycles of longcounts; each longcount being comprised of 13 baktuns, each baktun encompassing 144,000 kin or days, and as 20 katuns of 7,200 kin each.
It is the 65th and final baktun, which defines the 'birth of the starhuman' archetype to replace the older 'human' archetype initiated 5x13x144,000 kin or 9,360,000 days before the nexus date of December 21st, 2012.

As the sun's angular diameter is about 0.53 degrees, 'ancient astronomers', like the Maya calculated the ending of their longcount in the last cycle of the winter-summer solstices as a function of the Mayan Precessional 'Great Platonic Year' of 25,626.81 kin (or civil Gregorian days).
A precessional degree then becomes 9,360,000/360=26,000=71.1856.x365.2425 days and so in the Mayan kin count, 71.1856 civil years specify a 1-degree precession and the galactic synchronisation at the winter solstice will be 71.1856x0.53=37.728 civil years for the solar transit across the galactic centre. Since 37.728x365.25=13,780 'civil days' and 13,780=12,000+1,600+180; the solar transit of the galactic centre can be used by the World Logos to 'fulfil' the encoded timelines in various scrolls and 'books of prophecy' in a 'grand synchronisation' of the human history in the precessional cycle of 9,360,360 days or Mayan kin as stipulated.

In conjunction with the 'Venusian Transit of the Solar Disc' {8 years apart in 243-year cycles (121.5+16+105.5=243) and manifesting June 7th, 2004 to June 5th, 2012 in the present Logos timeline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Venus}, the Maya obtained the longcount from the 'hermetic' tradition (of the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek) of Kukulkan (or Quetzalcoatl in the Aztec parallel) and this 'prophecy' relates directly to a scripturally encoded 'day count' of 12,000+1,600=13,600 days in a 'furlong' count of measuring the 'inside' and the 'outside' of the 'great city' {John.2.21;Revelation.11.1-2;14.20;21.16} as the 'Temple of God'.

These 13,600 days from December 21st, 2012 will specify September 12th, 1975 as the beginning of the 37.728 civil year period of 13,780 days, so adding 180 days as the angular halving of 360 degrees of a circle in 180 days and as say the period between the two equinoxes in March and September or as the 180 Degrees between the two solstices of June and December, each 6 months apart in the assignment of the seasons.

As the December 21st, 2012 date indicates the December Solstice; an additional 'Ancient Year' of 360 Days is added to this Solstice to define the Mayan Full Moon in Gemini for December 17th, 2013 and following a calibrated Mayan AHAU date on December 16th, 2013.[/color]

Day*1300=Maya#5/260/65AHAU=18AHAU*=December 16th, 2013= End of Mayan Tzolkin Correlation
Day*1301=Maya#6/1/1/66IMIX=19IMIX*=December 17th, 2013= 5th Full Moon in Gemini(+)

Similarly a 360 Kin 360-Degree Year is added (in subtraction from a 0-Date defining the Start of Warpzone and as encoded as the 'Abomination of Desolation' in Matthew and Daniel) to the DayCount of September 12th, 1975 to specify the Ouroboros or the Galactic Serpent of the Mazzaroth of Job as the two parts of the Leviathan and the Behemoth.

The HEAD or ALPHA of the Galactic Dragon is the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the SeaGoatian Dragonhorns as the Behemothian DNA-Strand of the FireEarth and the TAIL or OMEGA of the Galactic Dragon is the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins as the Leviathan DNA-Strand of the AirWater.
Together they represent the 'Intertwined Serpent-Rod' of Moses of the Zodiac of Abraham; also known as the Caduceus of Thoth, the Egyptian Ibis God of Wisdom.

The Timeline from 1975 to 2014





Shiloh, September 30th, 2013​

 

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Re: Egyptian Folklore II

Brook Today at 5:20 am
shiloh wrote:
Brook wrote:
No Brook, no personal address at all was intended and yes I took notice of aspects I disagree with you, such as the semantics associated say with 'thout', whilst in general having some agreement with other descriptors regarding particular dates and synchronicities to do with 'ptb sacrifices' and so on.
However, and you might have noticed, certain developments which both of us realise underpin experienced reality on this planet both physical and mental, have shifted my focus from the potential solution and outcomes in a projectable future towards an emphasis towards a war of information, ideology and philosophy which must be fought.

In other words our disagreements regarding particular details in our respective cosmological interpretations fade in importance as to this real danger to this shared common legacy of our histories. And yes I am calling a spade a spade in resisting a number of agendas masquerading under many labels from left-or rightwing politics to social justice and 'ptb perception engineering' to alternative sciences and alternative media and counter cultures.
As you can see on this forum and wherever you interact with the 'real world' of a planetary society; the vast majority of so called humans has maneuvered itself into ideological and self-opinionated corners of what in Judeo-Christian labelings is simply called 'self-righteousness'.
The idea of the nabser and political ideologue of 'surrender to the greater universal self' say, has become a worship of the individual self, which by its own definition, cannot be as informed or non biased as a form of 'cosmic integration' and assimilation with this 'greater self'.
The opinionated individual has succeeded to construct hisher own glass house of individual supremacy and autonomy, in which shehe justifies hisher often rather under-and misinformed factual information, history and concepts in whatever form of interaction shehe finds appropriate to defend their 'substance lacking' discourses.

The word 'objective truth' has become a 'no go zone' just as have original symbols such as 'Zion the Nation Israel' and 'Jesus as the core of peace emphasizing world religion' and as far removed from political christianity, papal and other ecclesiastical institutions, as is the utterly obscene and obnoxious label of calling political islam a religion of peace.
Now...on to the main body of your post which was very well received.

While yes, you and I have disagreed several times we actually agree more than not. As long as I've known you I'm well aware you are a very well Educated man. Thus leaning on the facts in most cases and not the expanded nonsense which has been prevailing for quite some time now. I actually stopped watching youtube videos on the subjects as they are highly edited with extreme prejudice. Which is why I noted I did not watch that video but focused on that title and it triggered my 'affliction' which some might call a gift and I certainly DO NOT! It sucks! I don't like it..I don't want it yet I have to live with it. Do you really think I relished seeing my sons funeral before he died? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Or for that matter his fathers death when I was 8 years old? What child would want that!

I think you know me well enough by now that I can say these things to you and you will understand what I'm saying.

You certainly know I'm a long time advocate against WAR and Poverty given my mothers fame in that area and her influence. I'm also a bit of an existentialist at heart which is often given to sheer disappointment in idealism. If only!

You remember about a year ago here on the Mists I had this blow out over antisemitism and sheer prejudice? I think you even intervened at some point if I recall. Well that will never change within me.

I've always believed that intention goes a long way....so does faith which often go hand in hand. Now...I'm just a no body and like it that way because it relieves me of the burdens to have to come up with answers all the time. I certainly do not have them in any case. I learned a long time ago when one thinks they have them...they cease to learn. That is an easy equation!

I am also deeply disturbed by what I'm seeing in the information, ideology and philosophy as do you. It's like watching a movie in many respects. I have noticed with much of the ideology and information comes great philosophical manipulation. which coming from that existential pov I added to that thread that guy attacked me for. Was it something I said? LOL

Id like to quote that part if I may:

When a person gives their allegiance to an external belief structure, they may go in one of several directions. First, they often will become very rigid in their allegiance to the organization or structure to which they have committed. This type of conformity can be seen through various forms of fundamentalism -- religious, political, psychological systems, etc.

Second, they may present as being very committed to a belief systems or organization, but they feel very comfortable bending the rules where it does fit their desires. It becomes easy to bend the rules because they are not really committed to the underlying values system. However, when a person is deeply committed to authentic moral or value principles, they are less willing to act in ways which contradict these principles. The principles are authentic.

I think you and I both witness a bit of that here lately no? I know I have.

So what are you left with?

The physics of cause and effect. Your personal expertise no?

Personally Tony I would not know where to begin to solve such a crisis as we are seeing today. But the physics of cause and effect do apply and it's quite disturbing.

I do however see it as a massive ritualistic event to beat them all and it's coming to a theater near you unless something gets done. I know I won't rely on the so called hero's of today that claim to have it all handled on the interweb savior programs...I do think it needs addressing.

But where to begin without conflict? The who, when and where is the choice that must be decided and it scares the hell out of me who makes that decision! I don't need another savior with a damned sword in his hand that's for sure!

Thank you Tony for the provocative post it provoked much thought/thoth.... (just kidding on the Thoth thing but I had to add that)

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A nice reply Brook and fully from the heart. I can see the real you indeed and it paints a universal panorama of you, well suited to a new world which must eventuate. Perhaps in our physical presence we might be able to accentuate.

I remember the anti-Semitic response I shared
This reply was of course undertaken from my usual position of presenting factual information with emotitve stimuli subdued. But a number of perceptions, even from my fact based and scientific position have changed since the Paris attacks. In a manner of expression, I have changed my position on the entire construct at the core of forums, such as this one - the so called NWO of the elitists, might those be secret quasi religious cults or 'illuminati' or the lucis trust or the Bilderbergers or Bohemian Grove's skullduggeries.

I received a number of impressions, call, them dreams or inspirational messages or whatever. It does not matter. What matters is that certain new information can elucidate even balanced and rational unemotional perspectives into a greater realization of the factual data which was there before and ubiquitously available to anyone considering this data.
The major 'illumination' in my data base became the metaphysical agenda beyond any so called political or secular or NWO agenda I hitherto considered the major influencing factor in the present global situation.

On this forum and similar ones, the manouvers and agendas of the NWO, call them banksters (which they are indeed) or 'political globalisators' or 'economic investors' and 'alien conspirators' and so on becomes the be it and is all for the 'alternatives' I often collect under the label of the nabser, IF their counter agendas rest on half witted hear say and repetition of simplistic stereotyped labels placed on whatever 'scarecrow' the nabs mindedness conjures up from its juxtaposed fantasy world.

This scripture code so describes the agenda behind the agenda rather well and also points to the core of your questions regarding a solution to the situs quo. And your expressed sentiments do strike at the heart of the matter;

I think you and I both witness a bit of that here lately no? I know I have.​

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So what are you left with? ​

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The physics of cause and effect. Your personal expertise no?​

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Personally Tony I would not know where to begin to solve such a crisis as we are seeing today. But the physics of cause and effect do apply and it's quite disturbing.​

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I do however see it as a massive ritualistic event to beat them all and it's coming to a theater near you unless something gets done. I know I won't rely on the so called hero's of today that claim to have it all handled on the interweb savior programs...I do think it needs addressing.​

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But where to begin without conflict? The who, when and where is the choice that must be decided and it scares the hell out of me who makes that decision! I don't need another savior with a damned sword in his hand that's for sure!​

Ephesians 6:12​

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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.​

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So disregarding any prevalent hatred for anything associated with Christianity or, Jesus or Paul or its physical political manifestations in organized religion; and considering this code relative only to its content, one can easily find, that a completely non-religious and secular 'evil ET' conspiracy with the 'ptb' can as easily become identified with this code, as can a more orthodox interpretation of associating this 'spiritual wickedness' with some sort of demonic or devilish existence as would have been engaged in at the times when the code was constructed.

Now you perhaps know what my 'scientific' translation for this 'spiritual wickedness' becomes - memeplexes created not by ETs from outer space but by the 'integrated ETs' of the inner space, and a space you might call the universal soul native to anyone incarnated in this planetary realm.
And this 'Invasion from Within' is in fact then related to cause and effect, as you propositioned and subsequently becomes subject to scientific and rational analysis and examination.

And this is of course what becomes a unifying force between reasoning, sufficiently educated and informed minds such as ours. Words are symbols and letters, which relate to the 'high places' in terms of whatever a 'higher dimensional' metaphysical reality can create. And those creation are as real in those realms, as are the cause and effect outcomes in the say lower dimensional realms.
So the fantasies of the nabsers form a particular realism in a direct correspondence of how deep or thorough those fantasy creations are made manifest in the worlds of the cause and effect, ergo the strength and conviction of the believers in the fantasies.
Then, and this is a focus, the difference between a nabser believing in the draconian invasion from the Orion starsytem and the imminent arrival of Nibiru and the belief by the bankster of creating the Amero then absorbing the Euro and the Denar in fiscal oligarchies becomes almost superfluous, as the belief in the economic pillars of the culture or society differs from the belief in political or philosophical pillars only in the semiotiks, symbols and archetypes used to construct those edifices of the cultures and subcultures.

You know that this is what I mean with memeperplexification or the reality of created thoughtforms, fed and supported by their own creators, namely the nabser and the oabser - bullshyters of the 'Old World' memeplexes and thought systems and those of the 'New World'.

So what is the solution?
The solution is to confront the created thoughtforms by the believers not in the realm of their manifestation, but in the realm of the 'high spiritual places' and to do that one must of course be able to enter those worlds.
To confront political islam, anti-Semitism, quasiscience or any of the many substance and data lacking memeplexes of the old human world will of course require a resistance memeplex to the thoughtform or belief system confronted.
But this 'war of the minds' and ideas will prove insufficient to 'destroy' whatever memeplex is considered by the 'for or against' in say the 'warring parties'.

Any memeplex created cannot become uncreated, but must be rendered impotent as a memeplex.
In practical term and as an example, this could become the exposure and uncovering of political islam and its prophet and deity thorough historical, scientific and logical evidence.
Iow, when ordinary muslims begin to disassociate themselves from the believer memes they find themselves entrapped in, then the exbeliever muslim will actually become 'moderate' and rational due to hisher cessation of feeding the thoughtform labelled islam.
One could say that a memeplex can become 'unwelcome' in the creator or cocreator modality of the incarnated universal human and so a previously fed memeplex will literally starve itself into an effective form of nonexistence in the world of cause and effect.
The islam memeplex in this exemplar will continue to exist in the 'high spiritual places' but will become integrated into the memory collective of the universe as a memory of 'how it was'.

I'll end here for now. Thank you for your commentary Brook.


You're welcome Tony and thank you in return.

I'm getting very sleepy as it time for bed, so I will add comment tomorrow if you don't mind. You threw out several thing that provoked more though but I'm just too tired right now to respond as I would like.

Again well received! Thanks again and see you tomorrow.

I'll leave you with a lovely lullaby...

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Re: Egyptian Folklore II

shiloh Today at 5:34 am
Brook wrote:
Thank you ODM....I know you meant well, but my computer kept lagging when I opened the thread from all the videos.



Tony,

Meant to answer you today but man what a day I've had. I did the silliest thing! I locked my keys in my car and had to way for roadside assistance. Then when they got there they didn't want to help me because I have one of those cars that is impossible to get into without a locksmith unless you break the window which was not on my list of things to do....hence...hurry up and wait!



Argh! By the time I got back I still had a million things to do before I could get to it.


So.....

I was intrigued by this first of all:

Yes..this is simple...Information stored I totally understand it never leaves...this is actually physics no?

But this...

So... you make the memeplex unwelcome and starve the current one...this makes sense. But aren't we back to square one? That would how? How would/could that be achieved?

Have you contemplated that? It seems to me that would be one big challenge. But worth some thought as to some kind of implementation no?



Anyhow give it a thought and get back to me and some of that other part deserves a skype real soon....it's been awhile after all...

I just got hold of a friend of ours and found out she's been ill. We've been playing tag missing each other. I actually wanted to get in touch via her. Perhaps when she gets my message we can hook up soon. It would be a pleasure.

Until then give what I just wrote a thought...




Yes Brook, it seems quite a number of the old mindwarriors of the resistance are encountering more mundane problems, besides the memewars.
The starving of the memeplex is like say a football team or some sports team which is losing its support base. Or say a newspaper empire who is able to dominate the dissemination of its printed news before the onset of the digitalization. Suddenly the news seeker is able to access the information heshe is seeking by browsing the web from the comfort of herhis own computer and needs no longer to run up the street to the papershop to buy a newspaper.

So it is with any form of thoughtform, physicalized say in the form of some cultural institution. Then it is relatively simple to see a memeplex like islam as the mental construction, supported by a lexicon of literature and then manifesting as cause and effect as some political-religious organization.

How to 'diminish' the influence of a memeplex unwelcome by a large part of the group culture, which is of course also an even more encompassing thoughtform?
As said before, information is the key.
A more encompassing and thorough data base will always be able to eat or swallow a lesser data base.
And the data base itself can be called a form of 'universal truth', and all without opinionated grandstandings so typical of nabsers, that it is all from within and self relative.

Your other point is of course the crucial focus of the matter.

The 'square one' is like the saying that history repeats itself and that it all goes around in circles.
Another idiom says however that one day you will find that after completing a journey you will suddenly realise that you have been there before, at the presumed destination of your journey.
And it is then, that you can end the recycling of your experiences and the deja vus.

This nexus point is the 'convergence of the timelines of history' in a nutshell Brook. And this is why we find ourselves in this chapter of a universal cosmic history.
Because and due to a 'invasion of the memeplexes', which has already occurred, only a remnant of previous 'universal time travelers' can remember their own timelined histories.
The individualized memeplexes also engulf personal histories as personalized 'Books of Life' and remembrances. This you know only too well, as your historical and metaphysical emphasis on Egypt shows. Egypt forms a common root memory for a 26,000 year history for the present planetary group remembrance.
A group remembrance is however individualized in personal experiences in whatever timeframe considered and participated in and so purely individualized data regarding this will always become individualized to an extent not conducive to a harmonization of an extended individualization, say into family or nation building.
This is not to say that a most thorough individualization is not part of say the universal 'master plan' or cosmic purpose - it is.
But this will engage the 'individual world' as a autonomous unity within an encompassing unification. This is something you have instinctively or intuitively felt perhaps most of your life, but have then rationalized in your 'parallel universe' concept.
As you know I reject parallel universes as independent entities on both scientific and metaphysical grounds, yet fully embrace the multiverse concept as occupying a shared spacetime matrix continuum.

So Brook could argue with Tony about the validity of 'parallel universes' versus 'multinested phaseshifted universes' until Brook and Tony could a accomodate both concepts within more encompassing concepts rigorously and rationally 'explained' to account for hitherto apparently irreconcilable differences in the models.

So the solution to the 'big challenge' of the 'square one' is like the unmovable object meeting the irresistible force. They cannot coexist together in separation, but must merge or blend to become a grander unified memeplex or thoughtform or mental construct.
The solution to the islam thoughtform so entails, that it must be absorbed and incorporated in a bigger thoughtform. Like endosymbiosis and the evolutionary occurrence of how the eukaryotic primordial cellular form emerged from its prokaryotic precursor or ancestor.
A cell without a nucleus merged, ate, absorbed and formed a symbiosis with a smaller cell of like morphology and this absorption of a part of the environment became 'electromagnetic monopolarized', aka 'spiritually' inducted to create say a genetic supermutation which rendered the older smaller absorbed cellular material as the nucleus of a new cellular creation.

The picture below then shows you a simply cartography or code of how the Islamic memeplex can be absorbed by a greater memeplex with the cosmic irony implied in the fact, that what is known as islam previously manifested itself in using and plagiarizing this same memeplexes for its intended usurpation of the older by itself. Cosmic and Universal Justice and Honour will prevail!

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And indeed, it is actual physics Brook, namely the interconnectivity between wave-particle duality unified.
The actual memeplexification of the islam thoughtform is addressed in the attached pdf, which needless to say is not suitable for human opinionated mindedness of peripheral perusals of factual information presented.
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• Post n°75

Re: Egyptian Folklore II

Brook Today at 8:22 am

Good Morning!

Thank you Tony. It's going to take me awhile to read and digest that so give me a few days before I can really understand that image. It looks interesting and I somewhat get the gist.
If I can grasp some of physics on this thread I think I'm up for the task.

Interesting days indeed. Strange Things are Afoot at the Circle K.




I do have this to add today however given the current state of affairs at 'home' and abroad;

Carl Jung on “Man’s Stupidity”



Our striving focused on sagacity and intellectual superiority, and we hence developed all our cleverness.

But the extraordinary extent of stupidity inherent in all men was disregarded and denied.

But if we accept the other in us, we also evoke the particular stupidity of our nature.

Stupidity is one of man's strange hobbyhorses.

There is something divine about it, and yet something of the megalomania of the world.

Which is why stupidity is really large.

It keeps away everything that could induce us to intelligence.

It leaves everything not understood which is not naturally supposed to demand understanding.

This particular stupidity occurs in thought and in life.

Somewhat deaf somewhat blind, it brings about necessary fate and keeps from us the virtuousness coupled with rationality.

It is what separates and isolates the mixed seeds of life, affording us thus with a clear view of good and evil, and of what is reasonable and what not.

But many people are logical in their lack of reason"



Page (P.487). ~Liber Novus, Page 316, Footnote 277.


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Footnote; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

Megalomania is a psycho-pathological condition characterized by fantasies of power, relevance, omnipotence, and by inflated self-esteem. Historically it was used as a name for narcissistic personality disorder.

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meg·a·lo·ma·ni·a
ˌmeɡələˈmānēə/
noun
noun: megalomania

obsession with the exercise of power, especially in the domination of others.
synonyms: delusions of grandeur, folie de grandeur, thirst/lust for power; self-importance, egotism, conceit, conceitedness
"he's blinded by his own megalomania and quest for historic recognition at any cost"
delusion about one's own power or importance (typically as a symptom of manic or paranoid disorder).

Translate megalomania to
Use over time for: megalomania





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sav·ior
ˈsāvyər/
noun
noun: saviour; plural noun: saviours; noun: savior; plural noun: saviors

a person who saves someone or something (especially a country or cause) from danger, and who is regarded with the veneration of a religious figure.

Savior or Saviour may refer to:

a person who helps people achieve salvation, or saves them from something

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation




Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!! See ya on the flip side

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• Post n°75

Re: FRANCE NOW

shiloh Today at 3:39 am

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Wasps in my brain .

Yeah , its a great movie . Glad you like it.

'I do believe she's got it . '

The before and after illustration does say a lot .

I love the way the film rips Christianity to shreds along with the Bible. But my favorite scene is the one where Paul gives back the teddy bear to the lady who rescued him. I choke up on that one. Those guys did a great job on that film .Funny as F**k.

So hey ,lets get on with f**king the system eh ? Now where was I ? Oh yes , code breaking .

How do you give orders to people when they refuse to obey ? How do you maintain control when your comms system had been hacked by people waking up ?
Enki ,my lord ,we have a problem.

'We have analyzed their attack and there does appear to be a weakness.'

Keyboards eh ? Dont f**k with those guys in the basement if you value your monopoly. To late Jehovah , the cats out of the bag and the orthodoxies moronic OS is going to crash.

Who busts the dam in Kingsman ?

bobhardee wrote:


Shiloh posted:
November 27, 2015

ISIS and US: Believers vs. Agnostics

By G. Murphy Donovan



"Political leaders, East and West, are separated by more than custom, tradition, or practice. The divide is cultural.

Put aside for the moment obvious things like power differentials or even notions of winning and losing. The Caliph of the Islamic State is obviously having a better year than any politician in the West if anyone keeps score these days. The Friday the 13th Paris pogrom and that sabotaged airliner full of Russian tourists clearly go into the win column for Caliph Baghdadi. Kinetic failure in the West is again manifest: no Intelligence, no warning, no defense, and no real coalition. Canada defected from the deployed anti-ISIS team just days before the recent Paris massacre.

Put aside for a moment obvious considerations like strategy too. The Muslim sword is as keen on strategy as it is about goals. Strategy, if there is one, for the celebrated “60 nation” fantasy coalition led by team Kerry/Obama is some combination of spin, apologetics, ephemeral “crisis management,” and punitive air strikes. Real military strategy in Europe and America, alas, has been an orphan since George Patton’s Jeep accident.

Where success is demonized, winning is apostasy."


It seems to me that the West is in a state of denial and this is being fueled by fear. Our political leaders are doing everything possible to deny that the Western governments are at war with "religious" beliefs. The general fear is that if they were to tell the truth, then all of the Islamic world would step up and join the fight. That maybe so or not. What is without question is that as long as the West remains in denial, nothing will change. Just as it is with a sick person. I was once told by this little older mountain lady....."Honey, you can't get well from something you ain't got." Truer words have never been spoken. The disease can kill you but you don't have to face it if you deny anything is wrong. Politics in the West denies the real truth of the matter and that is where the problem lies. Until the West fully goes after those within the Islamic religion who are promoting violence, we will continue to have to face it.

I want peace and harmony just as much as the next person but it would be a massive mistake to passively allow violence which is being encouraged by a minority to continue on without going after its root belief system. I really wish I could see this mass of space ships and they would bring a new peace to the earth. But short of that kind of miracle, we have to face up and fit a problem which is not going away.

Bob H.

Well said Bob. This detailed descriptor from a ex Yugoslavian (Kosovo Bosnian-Serbian war of 1990's) immigrant to Sweden shows you what is the fait accompli in the western 'political correctness' world, of both right wing and left wing political persuasions.


Just facts no hyperbole or juxtaposition or nabs conspiracies invoked nor required.

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Bob H. said: I want peace and harmony just as much as the next person but it would be a massive mistake to passively allow violence which is being encouraged by a minority to continue on without going after its root belief system. I really wish I could see this mass of space ships and they would bring a new peace to the earth. But short of that kind of miracle, we have to face up and fit a problem which is not going away.

Partnerships are forming:

Memeplexes of Deception - individual and collective



2 Peter 3 - King James Version (KJV)​

¹ This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
² That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
³ Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
⁴ And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
⁵ For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
⁶ Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
⁷ But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
⁸ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
⁹ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
¹¹ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
¹² Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
¹³ Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
¹⁴ Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
¹⁵ And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
¹⁶ As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
¹⁷ Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
¹⁸ But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

And yes this relates to Islamic State and Islam too. -see pdf linked​

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• Post n°578

Re: Contact with Pris

Pris Today at 1:33 am
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Oh look, it's the one-eyed wonder.

If you didn't know, this thread is exclusive to blue roller and me.








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• Post n°580

Re: Contact with Pris

blue roller Today at 4:24 pm

Now there is scripture I can relate to. The truth . Simple ,direct . No grandstanding chatter from that dusty old pile of crap called the Bible.

The Bible IS Babel . Its the tower that reaches to heaven with a stack of lies and hate . No wonder it keeps falling .

I am SICK to my stomach of bible thumping hypocrites who use 'gods word' to enslave and invoke fear.

Your recycled words are wasted here Shiloh.

You profess to know the code ? YOU abuse the code . You spin, twist and rape it under the guise of 'truth'.

Your 'god' is a liar and a thief . An elitist thug and wolf in sheep's clothing.

Your 'god' is the Devil ,Satan, the destroyer of worlds . Look at the price the people have payed for your 'scripture' . Genocide , war ,hate , incest and misery unending.

You worship the very man you profess to reject . You are blinded by Ego.

The bible code is a closed loop of lies and recycled dates that only proves Birthdays and Christmas come but once a year .

Drosnin et al are punting this rubbish to lend credence to a repeated lie . We dont want to live your lies anymore . You can take your Bible code and stick it.

 

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