The Importance Of Support Circles - Michael Teachings - Troy Trolley

1 Entity = approx 1,000 Essences
1 Cadre = 12 Entities (This is how C1/E1 is arrived at: Cadre 1, Entity 1)
1 Ring = 12 Cadres
12 Rings = 1 Sphere (Michael is in the previous Energy Ring to us, but is in the same Sphere)
12 Spheres = 1 Arrangement
12 Arrangements = 1 Composition
12 Compositions = 1 Harmony
(up to) 7 Harmonies = 1 Design (Humans' Design has the full complement of 7 Harmonies).
[MEntity] We are from Energy Ring 1, Cadre 11, Entity 4, Harmony 1.
We are part of the same “Sphere” as our students.
We are from Sphere 2.
The previous Sphere 1 (12 Energy Rings) were part of what has come to be known as “Lemurians”
or those less-physically dense, though they were still of “human” consciousness.
(Sphere 1 is comprised of the very mutated Human species: Lemurians).

 

Revolutionary/Eccentric

"In Social situations of 5, there will always be the fifth person,
the Revolutionary, who will complain, fall asleep, try to redirect the group, or finally they will simply leave the group."​

This resonated with me.
I like to think I am mature, level headed and all that,
but often I am the one who throws a spanner in the works.
Just before we have to leave the house, I will decide to run upstairs and change my clothes / find my wallet / get a coat
I find myself wanting to shake other people out of their wilful blindness to anything beyond the mundane world they are so immersed in.
I like to challenge people's long held comfortable viewpoints with a counterpoint, sometimes the exact opposite of their viewpoint, just to shake them loose from their dusty old ways. This doesn't always go down too well!
I can be quite petulant and pig headed (I'm working on it!).
In my musical trio it is often me who wants to ditch the project and start again,
or try something completely different, often something the other 2 might be uncomfortable with.
I revel in being different, not following the crowd,
in my own quiet, Self-dep Scholar with Flow and Observation way of course!

Definition of Revolutionary:

Involving or causing a complete or dramatic change.​

Definition of Eccentric

A person of unconventional and slightly strange views or behaviour.
Synonyms: oddity, odd fellow, unorthodox person, character, individualist, individual, free spirit, misfit; ​

The thing I need clarified by Michael is whether these configuration positions can bleed into interactions that don't involve all the configuration members, or do I perhaps occupy that same position in other configurations too?

Do I default to it when forming ad hoc/informal configurations?

Because I seem to feel that Eccentric/Revolutionary flavour in lots of different contexts and situations.

Mike

 

CONFIGURATIONS

http://truthloveenergy.com/forum/topics/configurations

ORIGINAL LIBRARY LINK: http://library.truthloveenergy.com/Michael-Teachings/configurations/

There has been a lot of talk on TLE about "Configurations" lately,
so I thought I'd scrounge up this old transcript from 2002.
It looks like it could use some more exploration, like so many topics!
[Excerpt from TT: 2002-02-21]
Configurations
[M_Entity] We are here. One Moment. We understand the topic as being Configurations.

The topic of Configurations is avoided by most of our students and channels

for a couple of reasons in general:

Understanding Configurations depends on your understanding of the very basics of our system;

and as the complexities of each Configuration grows,

the contexts for understanding each position changes a bit.

This can be confusing to most since many want the differing systems to be more consistent.

We will define "Configuration" as any number of Fragments beyond ONE

who act together with a common goal.

There are FORMAL Configurations and INFORMAL Configurations.

FORMAL Configurations are based in Essence “plans” and can have a goal

that does not get accomplished for many lifetimes.

INFORMAL Configurations occur in any number of situations in which you are in any kind of group

. These could easily be called WORKING CONFIGURATIONS and SOCIAL CONFIGURATIONS,
respectively.

Understanding a Working Configuration can shed light on your life as you grow

through your 4th Internal Monad and begin your own personal Life Task.

If you are part of a Working Configuration (which most are),

you will then find the insight leading you closer to maintaining True Personality

and connection to Essence.

Understanding Social Configurations can shed light on your life as you grow as a Personality,

at any physical age or soul age, and allow you to understand why certain dynamics

occur in certain groupings.

As we share with you the dynamics of each Configuration,

remember that the information applies to BOTH Working and Social groups,

unless otherwise indicated.

The only difference is this:

In Working Configurations, the Position you play within your group DOES NOT ALTER.

In Social Configurations, your Position will alter as necessary.

For those of you who will try to link the Configurations to what we call a Support Group,

we suggest you not jump ahead before the completion of the information.

Support Groups (a group of 12 fragments who enrich and empower your life)

are of a different context to a small degree and we will clarify as time permits.

First, we will share with you the correlations basic to understanding Configurations.
This will be familiar to some of you.

The information will come as follows: NUMBER - ROLE - Configuration Position

1 Server - Love

2 Artisan - Knowledge

3 Warrior - Power

4 Scholar - Support

5 Sage - Revolutionary/Eccentric

6 Priest - Integrator

7 King - Leader/Observer

8 Server - Pivot

9 Artisan - Intuitive

10 Warrior - Discipline

11 Sage - Healer

12 Priest - Enlightener

13 King - Muse

A Configuration beyond this begins to become ever more meaningless in terms of a given lifetime,

though if any student were interested, the numbers do continue.

There is a mathematical meaning behind this sequence.

There is also meaning as to why, in the numbers beyond 7,

though the Roles repeat there is no Scholar listed.

This is because when the Configuration grows to the number 13,

Position 4 moves from being considered SUPPORT, to being SUPPORTED

and is the pivotal focus among the 12 other Positions.

We will elaborate on that as time permits,

but for now we will begin with the more evident and useful Configurations

you may find yourself as part of in daily life.

The smallest Configuration is a TRIAD.

Though we listed the correlations above, in the case of a Triad,
the terms above DO NOT APPLY.

When 3 people are involved, there are the very basic Positions of POSITIVE - NEGATIVE - NEUTRAL.

A group of 3 will ALWAYS be a catalyst for transformation and progression
through some kind of Karma, internally or externally.

3, and by extension Karma, is the very basic Configuration that allows this Universe
and an Essence to grow.

In groups of 3, there will usually be "issues" raised and if the Configuration
is serious and committed, each new challenge will take each Fragment forward.

We believe the inherent tension found in a group of 3 is where the phrase, "3 is a crowd"
comes from.

Based on limited time, we will quickly cover each Configuration,
and then take your questions.

We note here that there are NO WORKING CONFIGURATIONS of 3.

The next Configuration is a Quadrate.

In a Quadrate, the Common Goal is usually directly linked to each Fragment's own Life Task.

Beyond the Quadrate, into higher numbered Configurations, the Life Task is not necessarily
linked to the group goal

We say this in reference to Working Configuration ONLY;

in a Social Configuration, no personal Life Tasks are necessarily relevant.

As we share with you the differing Configurations,

we note that EVEN-numbered Configurations up to 10 MUST have all Positions

being filled by Physically-incarnate Fragments.

ODD-numbered Configurations can tend to have the final,

odd-numbered Position filled by non-physical Fragments acting as guides

, or the Position may be filled with a Concept/Ideal representing that Position.

Even the Configuration of 3 may have only two Physical participants,

while the “issue” is the “third position.”

In most cases, however, ALL Fragments tend to be extant,

except in the highly unstable group of 5. Beyond the Configuration of 10,

no more “rules” apply except that the BASIC QUADRATE (4) is incarnated.

QUADRATE

In a group of 4 in either Social or Working Configurations,

each will fall into one of the four basic positions inherent to that Configuration:

LOVE, KNOWLEDGE, POWER, and SUPPORT.

Something unique to the Positions defined in a Quadrate

is that EVERY INDIVIDUAL EXTANT falls into one

of these basic 4 Social Positions as a means to interact in groups

with no specific goal, such as a party, or night out, or reunion, etc.

No matter the size of the group, most Social groups with no goal

will reduce themselves to smaller interacting groups of 4,

and each Fragment interacting will take on one of these 4 Positions,

however insignificantly or meaningfully.

A Quadrate with a goal may have been behind organizing the event,

but subsequent interaction within the event will simply be of basic socializing.

We would call this additional level of Configuration with no goal, a “CASUAL Configuration”.

LOVE Position:

This Position is the one who brings the initiation of ideas to the group.

They are usually very inspiring and naturally seem to be able to get everyone "psyched up"

about something to do. They do not, however, have the ability to actually make the ideas happen.

In fact, it is not their "job" at all.

In a group of 4, the person who inspires and generates the ideas

might be best left to simply doing that.

In a Social situation, this person is usually the one who initiates the gathering

or comes up with the suggestions for what to do, once gathered.

In a basic social situation, this is usually the most humorous,

entertaining person in the group; the “social butterfly” who moves from group to group,

one conversation to the next, bringing a light air to any gathering.

KNOWLEDGE is the person who refines the ideas generated by LOVE.

In a basic social situation, a Knowledge person will usually root themselves into a conversation,

debate, or discussion with one or two people and remain there for a great deal of the event.

They can sometimes become irritated by the whimsical,

flittering of Love throughout the groups if this distracts from the more “serious discussions”

Knowledge is having. POWER is the one who is in the position

to actually make the ideas of Love, refined by Knowledge, happen.

In a basic social situation, this person can express in any number of ways,

but they are easily the Fragment who ultimately controls the mood

and focus of the group/s.

They can end the fun as easily as they can sustain it.

They can shift the direction as easily as they maintain it.

SUPPORT is the mediator and cohesiveness that keeps the group stable.

In a basic social situation, this person will gravitate toward any position of the most use.

In most cases, they will at least pair themselves with one other person.

The Support person is the one who usually gets “stuck” tolerating, or listening to,

any of the other Positions as they may express themselves inappropriately or tediously;

such as a Knowledge wielding lengthy lectures on topics few are interested in;

or the Love Position as they turn to the use obnoxiousness as a means to generate interaction;

or Power as they may sit and brood for not getting what they want.

Support will either find himself or herself in that situation or in the broader position

of making sure everyone is having a good time and happy and taken care of.

A Quadrate is the most popular and most stable of all Configurations.

It is usually very successful in all endeavors, either as Social or Working Configurations.

The Casual Configuration is the root of all basic, stable interactions among groups of Sentience.

Incidentally, many successful sitcoms or dramas are rooted primarily in a Quadrate interacting together.

Using "I Love Lucy" as the example, LUCY is the LOVE Position, Ricky is the POWER Position,

Fred is the SUPPORT Position, and Ethel is the KNOWLEDGE Position.

These Positions rotate occasionally, but we are speaking of the characters’ interactions as a theme.

In general, Love and Power tend to pair up, while Support and Knowledge do so,

as experiences are generated and goals undertaken.

Love and Knowledge do not necessarily “pair up”, but they eventually do tend to lead the group,

even if indirectly. Power and Support tend to remain “quieter”,

though they are the Fragments who usually find each experience’s conclusion and resolution.

In the example of “Lucy”, though “Ethel” and “Lucy” are always

leading the group into new adventures, “Ricky” and “Fred” resolve them.

When participants in a Quadrate are not available, Love/Power take on either

or both Positions, while Knowledge/Support does the same.

Though Knowledge could take on Power, or vice versa,

and Love/Support can also be exchanged, it is not as comfortable.

PENTAGON

When a FIFTH Position is added to a Quadrate, it then becomes a Pentangle, or Pentagon.

The new Position is called a REVOLUTIONARY. In groups of 5,

there will always be one person who challenges the very stability of the focus.

In Working Configurations, a Pentagon is either a formidable force, or a flailing disaster.

In Social situations of 5, there will always be the fifth person, the Revolutionary,

who will complain, fall asleep, try to redirect the group, or finally they will simply leave the group.

In a successful Working Configuration of 5, the 5th Position is usually filled

with a CONCEPT instead of a Person.

The Beatles are an example of both a Concept as Revolution, and a Person.

The Configuration when it held a 5th person collapsed in stability,

but when the Position turned to a Concept, the group excelled in tremendously successful ways.

While a Quadrate has a goal of manifesting or accomplishing something, a Pentagon,

if seriously undertaken, is out for transforming things on great levels.

SEXTET

The next Configuration is a SEXTET, adding the Position of the Integrator.

The Integrator becomes the strength and higher inspiration for longer-term sustenance

of that Configuration.

Usually, because of the inherent instability of a Pentagon, at some point,

it will either shift to a Quadrate, or bring in an Integrator.

A Sextet, then, is the next most popular and successful Working Configuration.

The highly successful series called “FRIENDS” is a good example.

This example of a Working Configuration of the characters is as follows:

LOVE: Rachel
KNOWLEDGE: Ross
POWER: Monica
SUPPORT: Chandler
Revolutionary: Joey
Integrator: Phoebe

SEPTET

The final Configuration we will comment on tonight will be the SEPTET,

adding the Position of LEADER/Observer.

A Septet's Goal is usually one that is based in SEARCH and DISCOVERY.

Most teams of 7 are based in a common goal of seeking, exploring, discovering.

Many Septets are involved in medicine, science, and metaphysics, as you may have assumed.

The highly successful series of Star Trek is based primarily in Septets.

The LEADER/Observer watches over all of the participant's contributions

and makes the most difficult and larger-themed decisions as to any new directions or steps.

They provide the clearer template for where the growth and direction of the group will go.

This topic is a large topic, we realize, and we do note the limited time available to you.

Using the list we shared at the beginning of the chat, you can extrapolate from it

and determine varying meanings of Positions people may take in groups under 13.

In terms of Working Configurations, the dynamics may or may not be as obvious.

We will speak on the 6 other Configurations of meaning in another session.

We will take your questions now, if there are any.

Q & A

[Cathy] Regarding Triads, my husband Brian and I have a friend living with us
for an extended period of time while she is getting her business started.
Can you tell me how this fits as a catalyst for transformation
and progression through what kind of karma, internally or externally?

[M_Entity] The Triad Positions of Positive, Negative, and Neutral will shift among the three of you.
In any given challenge, the Positive Position will be the catalyst, such as “invading privacy”.
The Negative Position would be the person whose privacy was felt to be invaded.
The Neutral Position is the person who either does not care,
or will step in to help resolve the tension.
In fact, the resolution of an issue with a Triad
will be in that EACH Person experiences EACH Position before progress is made.

For example, the Positive who invaded privacy may feel bad,
shifting to a constricted Negative Position.

The original Negative Position whose privacy was invaded may reach out,
trying to "get over it," assuming the friendship is more important,
moving to the Positive.

The Neutral may see both sides, experiencing Positive and Negative, until resolution.

As you watch the dynamics among the three of you,
being aware of these shifting Positions, even in moments of fun, should prove enlightening.

[LisaC] what do the roles listed have to do with the position they were paired with?
Like why was server listed as love position?

[M_Entity] LOVE is that which initiates and is part of EVERYTHING
. Love, in terms of the Configurations and the resonance to the Server,
is in the fact that the Server Essence is primary to this Universe.
The Server Essence inspires on a most basic and attainable level.

Resonance DOES NOT, however, mean that only certain Roles will gravitate to the Positions.

We merely showed the correlations so as to enhance your understanding of the Positions.

LOVE knows what everyone needs, just as a Server does.

LOVE can be inspiring and enthusiastic, or obnoxious and manipulative, as a Server can be.

We realize some of the correlations may appear counter-intuitive,
but we remind you that correlations must be considered in context.

For instance, we do not suggest making this sequence parallel to the Chakra System.

Though it may very well "work," it is not a shared context.

We believe the most confusing correlations, besides the Server/Love,
may be the Scholar/Support, and Artisan/Knowledge.

We find the resonance particular to the Configurations
because Artisans are ironically highly structured Essences
and can refine a great amount of energy and information quite swiftly.

A Scholar does not do so.

A Scholar is far more interested in indulging in the information,
for the sake of the information, than to refine it.

As far as the Scholar/Support, we find the resonance there to be
in that the energy of the Scholar does not get "invested" in any one angle,
and can therefore remain objective, supportive, and cohesive to a group.

This does not mean the Support Position does not contribute knowledge,
but that it is not invested in any outcome.

[cec] How do cadres and entities play out in the configurations?

[M_Entity] GROUPS of Cadres (12) are of a different context.

GROUPS of Entities (a Cadre) are all Septets. In other words,
there is a 1 - LOVE/Server Entity; a 2 – KNOWLEDGE/Artisan Entity, etc.

[MaryBV] In a working configuration you mentioned the work involved the life task.

Do the members have the same life tasks or are they similar or complementary to each other?

[M_Entity] In a Quadrate, the individual Life Tasks would all complement each other in some way.
They may not appear so, but in terms of the larger goal of the Configuration,
it is contributing to the same direction.

This only applies to a Working Quadrate.

In all other Configurations, the Life Task may or may not contribute so directly or complementarily.

[nemo-sam] do configurations relate to community jobs?
[M_Entity] Yes. "Community Jobs," if you are referring to the delineation
of specific positions of a fragment within an Entity, relate to the higher- numbered Configurations
having to do with far larger themes than any individual life may be able to make sense of.

 

Validating a past life
As I’ve discussed previously, I’m always in search of an Epiphany with regards to validating Michael in some tangible or concrete way. This is the purpose of this blog — to validate the truth of Michael. I’ve been somewhat unrelenting in applying alternate perspectives to try and achieve a solid sense of knowing. I’ve been unwilling to just accept what someone else says is a validation, I need to experience it for myself. Well, I have in spades. And the treasure hunt will continue; however, for now, I’ve had a unique view into a prior lifetime, classified as a “concurrent.” But, from my current perspective both past lives are simply that, part of the total numbers.
Maureen received information back in April, 2012 that has started many different investigations into expanding on the information, validating it, and delving deeper. This involved a revelation of a Septant Configuration that has been working together of the centuries with a goal of bringing Michael to public notice. “Our” Configuration includes the Teachings itself, Troy, Maureen, Martha, Bobby, Oscar, and me.
Since all Configurations have primary attributes or tasks assigned to each participant, the Essences of the Teachings, Michael, is in the Love position; the Essence of Troy is in the Knowledge position; the Essence of Maureen is in the Power position; the Essence of Bobby is in the Compassion position; the Essence of Martha is in the Eccentric position; the Essence of Geraldine is in the Integrator position; and, the Essence of Oscar is in the Observer position. There are other types of Configurations with varying numbers; so, they would have positions appropriate to them; and, a Configuration is only active in its agreements as long as the members are all incarnated at the same time. Lose one, and the Configuration is no longer active. And, finally, our Essences can be involved in more than one Configuration; although, will generally only be working on ONE active one at a time.
Also, “our” Septant is not the only Configuration working on a similar task of bringing Michael to the public — there are many others; nor are all of the other “Teachings” Configurations necessarily active at this time. However, with the advent of the internet, I suspect that there will be a continuous activation of Configurations during this technological phase of civilization. Additionally, several us have been speculating that a Configuration doesn’t really work on its task as a Configuration until all members are at least within the 4th IM.

[MEntity]: The aim is for the work with us to be moved into various tangible forms that can be archived and accessed in later lives, and built upon. Until the current life, much of the teaching has been carried over by way of the Instinctive Center and recalled within the life. This is the first life where the fulfillment of the aim may find its first glimpses of being realized. We are working with several Septants in this regard.
[MEntity]: It is not our aim, but we support it as a valuable endeavor for those extant.​

So, while we’ve been pooling resources about our current active Configuration, Martha expanded it greatly by asking about the last time the Configuration was active and received this information over two separate sessions: Medicis, humanist philosophy, and more on our Configuration. As you can tell from comments, the first one really fired us up with speculation and diligent research. Following the first session, this is an email that I sent to Bobby, Maureen, Martha, and Oscar on December 27, 2012:

I want to be “on the record” for a potential validation of my time in the Configuration during the Italian Renaissance. I’m quite sure I was Aldus Pius Manutius (Bassiano, 1449 – Venice, February 6, 1515),^[1] the Latinised name of Aldo Manuzio — sometimes called Aldus Manutius, the Elder to distinguish him from his grandson, Aldus Manutius, the Younger — was an Italian humanist who became a printer and publisher when he founded the Aldine Press at Venice.

Here are a couple of A-ha moments from my past.

One) I was co-owner with George of “Promotional Printing,” in Brisbane, CA during the 70s.
Two) I bought the most expensive computerized typesetting equipment of the time — a Compugraphic ACM 9000 . . .and became totally hooked on both typesetting, fonts, its history, and computers due to that. I took my first computer classes at San Francisco City College and was forever after attracted to the growth and development of personally owned computers — whether they be Microsoft-based or Macs.
Three) I was so hooked on the idea of typesetting becoming possible on these types of computers and specifically Aldus software.
Four) I bought at KQED PBS Auction a hundred year old bound volume of the Aldine Magazine. I LOVED that book. It had things like reviews of Verdi’s “Aida.” It’s one of the few things that I lost when the kids discarded all of my boxes of books from storage that still pains me.

I will expand on those points of synchronicity after I find out more from Michael . . .but I don’t want to entangle Troy with the knowing at this time.​

So, it was with little surprise and great joy that Michael answered the following today:

MICHAEL: Much of what the Configuration sought to accomplish was done so, in part, as a kind of “first step” through the Concurrent of the Sage-Cast Sage who is now known as “Geraldine,” through fierce passionate committment to emphasizing and securing these philosophies to print.
MARTHA: ”Calvincan”, or another personality that was his concurrent?
MICHAEL: Another personality.
MICHAEL: Yes, there are quite detailed similarities echoing between these lives. If each of you were to look at your positions within the active Configuration currently, you may find there is uncanny resonance to any documentation that might still be around for those previous lives.
MARTHA: (apart from me not being the richest person alive this time)
MARTHA: Geraldine was resonating to someone names Aldus, could that be the concurrent
MICHAEL: Yes, that is correct.
MARTHA: Aldus Manutius​

A grammarian and humanist, Aldus’ fame is above all connected to his greatness as a typographer and editor. Aldus began his career as a humanist teacher and became known to the most important humanist circles of the time before coming to Venice around 1490. In 1493 Aldus established a printing house together with Andrea Torresani da Asolo. Aldus’ publishing activity, in contrast to the vast majority of printing during the incunable period, [incunable - books printed before 1501] was inspired by clear cultural and intellectual goals in addition to economic ones. Founder of the Philhellenic Academy, he contributed in a decisive manner to the study and cultivation of Greek letters in Italy. He himself edited splendid Greek, Latin and vernacular editions, and had other editions prepared for him by the best scholars in these languages.
I don’t feel quite the same resonance with the information about:

Giovanni Cavalcanti (1444–1509) was an Italian poet from Florence, a member of the Platonic Academy of Florence that met in the Villa Medici at Careggi under the guidance of Marsilio Ficino. Ficino and Cavalcanti were particular friends: Giovanni Cavalcanti lived for many years with Ficino at his villa, and Marsilio dedicated his essay De amore (1484) to Cavalcanti, who had urged him to compose it. Ficino introduced the concept of “Platonic love” and addressed many letters to his Giovanni amico mio perfettisimo (“Giovanni my most perfect friend”).​

But it simply means that I need to do further research into these philosophical aspects. Both of these concurrents were part of my history; and while, Aldus resonated far stronger as it is a lifetime that has strong connections to choices I’ve made during this lifetime; it may be that Cavalcanti has some connecting gems to learn, too.
But, one serious doubt about validation is “If Aldus Manitius (1445-1515) and Giovanni Cavalcanti *1444-1509) were concurrents, how is it that they spent time in the same group of scholars and location?” While Aldus moved to Venice later on, there were a large swath of years that overlapped one another in Florence. I will have to ask about this.
The Treasure Chest has been opened, and now it’s time to explore all of its contents.
http://validatingmichael.com/Michael_Teachings/2013/01/14/validating-a-past-life

 

Now, this really caught my eye:
the Essences of the Teachings, Michael, is in the Love position
in both of these groups of five (5)
Tony Bermanseder and Susan Lynne Schwenger are in The Love Position !!!

so, this really makes me curious what that means ?

 

"love is...the end result" - susan lynne schwenger

"truth is the highest eXpression of love" - susan lynne Schwenger

and,

"a well lived life is lived through virtues with reflect as the end result of love"
- susan lynne schwenger

 

GOT A FRIEND transcribing this radio show to get the virtues:
from the 10/10/10 show on 10 oct 2008
THE JOURNEY TO THE 13TH BRIDGE

with Susan Lynne Schwenger aka The eXchanger aka White Lotus Star
aka The BeYonder aka The 13th Bridge aka Thirteen aka 13

Talks with Thunder with Thunders
aka Wassenakoshka Anang ~ Wassenakoshka Giizis (Kwe)
(which translates into English as:
Bright Shining Star ~ Bright Shining Sun (Woman)

~Community Elder

~Community Grandmother

~Old Ancient One

~Sage

~Seer

~Spiritual Healer

~Spiritual Medicine Woman
through Ceremony - Counselling - Doctoring

Day ~ Night - Record - Time - Wisdom Keeper



http://www.blogtalkradio.com/13/2008/10/11/-the-trinity-of-new-beginnings-10102008-10pm-est-

www.blogtalkradio.com/13

I brought through a lot of important info here:

(insert the transcription)

who can help me ???

 

interesting thread