The Soul Family of c1e7 aka Cadre 1 Entity 7 - The Sweetheart Entity - Michael Teachings (Yarbro)

The journey isn't about becoming anything...
at least, NOT anything in particular...
it is all about becoming MORE, NEVER LESS
it is all about dancing through all the assortment of archetypes
and, blending that back to your whole
it's about unbecoming everything that just isn't you
so you can be who you were meant to be in the first place
i am that i am,
has been graduated to
we are that we are
there are no more simple 'i's
The Will is The Way
Simply allow your will to lead the way
Will it to be, so, it will be, and, so iT iS
Journey the length, width and depth of The Energy...
encompassing the colour, the frequency, and, the light
along with the sound, the tone and the vibration...
through the lower six levels, transported into the upper six levels
thru zero-point 1/2/3 a triad 4/5/6 a trine 7/8/9 and a trinity, the real trinity
to connect with 10/11/12 - which lands you on The 13th Bridge
WiLL is THE WAY
~ susan lynne schwenger
03 / aug / 2009
11-11






Meet the Sweethearts...

This is a collage of all the photos of members of my Entity (Cadre 1, Entity 7) which I have been able to gather. This Entity is nicknamed "the Sweetheart Entity." You will notice that members of the same Entity share some physical similarities to each other, in spite of the fact that we come from very different family/genetic backgrounds.




FIRST ROW (left to right): Martin Sheen, Al Gore, Andreas Vollenweider, Lori Abrams, my friend Lucia, my friend Benita

SECOND ROW: Tom Hall and Linda Dragas-Hall, my friend Aletha, Brooke Shields, Czar Boris Godunov
(a past life incarnation of Cathryn Swann), Cathryn Swann

THIRD ROW: Johnny Depp, John Denver, Ellen De Generes, David Lipton, Gary Sinese, Anna Dobson

FOURTH ROW: k d lang, Oscar Wilde, Melissa Etheridge, Rosanna Arquette, Shaun Dunlap, Ram Dass

FIFTH ROW: Laura Dern, Cathryn Swann, Daryl Hannah, Victoria Dunlap, Nico, Paul Burkle

SIXTH ROW: Susan Lynne Schwenger, Julia Roberts, Christopher Atkins, Lucas Scholing,
Michael Adriaensz de Ruyter (past life incarnation of Lucas), Lucas age 7

SEVENTH ROW: Jaelyn McNary (sister of Nico), Julia, Jeff (Julia is Jeff's daughter) John Edwards, Wesley Clark, Howard Ashman

EIGHTH ROW: Anne Rice, Lisa Freeman, Somerset Maugham, Mark Perkinson, Kara, Liska Huff Lawler (mother of Cathryn Swann)

NINTH ROW: Sal Rachele, Loreena McKennitt, Stephen Schwartz, (Barack Obama-is NOT c1e7, but c2e7)
, Moonfeather Chastulik, Mario Andres Niebles Goenaga

TENTH ROW: James Stevens, Farley Malorrus, Mark Townley, Nicholas Sweeney, Christopher Le Blanc, Ermina Tsounis

ELEVENTH ROW: Barbara Hardy, Astrelia Vega, Barry Winfred Bailey, Barbara Creach, Tim Watts, Elizabeth Hammerstrom

As I was researching who is in this Entity, and gathering pictures,
I found it interesting to discover that Julia Roberts is called "America's Sweetheart."
If you or someone you know is also a member of Cadre 1, Entity 7, please send pictures! I will add them to the collage.


"We remind you that the only forces at work on this or any other plane are love and fear, and that little as you trust it, love is the stronger." ~Michael

http://www.moonsinger.net/entity-7.html

(Barack Obama-is NOT c1e7, but c2e7)

(Barack Obama-is NOT c1e7, but c2e7)

 

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THE eXchanger is Susan Lynne Schwenger

11-19-2009, 06:54 AM	#1
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings BABY SOULS 6TH LEVEL: Ayatollah Khomeini YOUNG SOULS 3RD LEVEL: John Calvin, Ivan the Terrible 4TH LEVEL: Catherine the Great of Russia, Hector Berioz, St. Dominic, Handel, Chopin, Ronald Reagan 5TH LEVEL: 6TH LEVEL: Joan of Arc, Oliver Cromwell, King Charles I of England, Claudius (Emperor of Rome) 7TH LEVEL: John Glenn (astronaut) MATURE SOULS 1ST LEVEL: 2ND LEVEL: 3RD LEVEL: Mozart, Desmond Tutu, Dale Carnegie 4TH LEVEL: Mussorgsky, Wagner, Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Vincent van Gogh, Ingres, Michaelangelo, Miguel de Cervantes, St. Francis of Assisi, W.B. Yeats, Rumi, Leonard Cohen, T.S. Eliot, Shelley, Dostoyevsky, Virginia Woolf, Anais Nin, Victor Hugo, Anne Rice, Barbara Kingsolver, Plato, Michel Foucoult, Bertrand Russell, Immanuel Kant 5TH LEVEL: Botticelli, Michael Jackson, King Louis XIV of France, Prokofiev, Puccini, William Shakespeare, King Charles II of England, King Richard III of England, Sam Neill, Eugene McCarthy, Ringo Starr, Joni Mitchell 6TH LEVEL: Francisco de Goya, Pope Paul VI, Pharaoh Ramases II (Ramases the Great), Joseph Merrick (“the Elephant Man”), Anwar Sadat, Dag Hammarsklod, Franklin Roosevelt 7TH LEVEL: Jacques Luis David, George Fox, Rossini, Jacques Cousteau, Ralph Nader OLD SOULS 1ST LEVEL: Igor Stravinsky, Robert A. Heinlein, Andrew Weil, Carlos Castaneda, Christian Slater, Tommy Lee Jones, Gene hackman, Ray Liotta 2ND LEVEL: J.S. Bach, Lorenzo de’Medici, Robert Redford, Whoopie Goldberg, Eric Clapton, Robin Williams, James Taylor 3RD LEVEL: Beethoven, Arthur C. Clarke, George Washington, Harrison Ford 4TH LEVEL: Paul Gauguin, Walt Whitman, William Blake, Mark Twain, Alice Walker, Pema Chodron 5TH LEVEL: Pope John XXIII, Leonardo da Vinci, Carl Jung, Ken Keys 6TH LEVEL: Thich Nhat Hanh, Krishnamurti, Gangaji, Ammachi, 7TH LEVEL: Buddha, Jesus, John Muir, Don Juan Matus, Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayima, Neem Karoli Baba anyone familiar with The Michael Teachings ??? a cycled off mid-causal entity group lots of info on www.michaelteachings.com

11-19-2009, 07:04 AM	#2
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Soul Age Levels http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_levels.htm

11-19-2009, 07:12 AM	#3
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings What are the "Michael Teachings"? Be kind to each other, for these teachings mean nothing without agape . . . . Michael AGAPE = LOVE http://www.itstime.com/michael.htm

11-19-2009, 07:12 AM	#4
dolphin Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 277	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings hi exchanger, i read the michael teachings/books many years ago. the book even talks about soul age of nations. usa is considered to have the most young souls. switzeraland has the most old souls. makes sense. young souls are about materializing material "things", aquiring wealth, new technology etc. mature souls like the finer things like wines/the making of, gourmet foods... and old souls don't fuss too much, they tend to not be too ambitious w careers as they've gone through all that many previous lives. they tend to be ones taking care of gardens. it's amazing how even the kind of pets one has reflects your soul age! what's also interesting is that your parents can be younger in soul age than you (their offspring). so when there is a large gap between partners, this may reflect chronological age but not soul age. it's all very interesting to think about. they say though that one tends to hang out w their own soul group age.

11-19-2009, 07:13 AM	#5
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings CELEBRITY CHARTS http://www.michaelteachings.com/celebrities.html

11-19-2009, 07:24 AM	#6
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings yes, that is very true ~ about parents my brother is a 1st level OLD soul a warrior cast artisan (who at 45, hasn't yet embraced his artisan) my mum is a 2nd level OLD soul a sage cast server where my dad, is a 3rd level OLD soul and, a king cast scholar So, my parents, are both one-what i am in role, a sage and, what i am in essence, a king i discovered the teachings back almost 3 decades ago it is one of the only books, i ever read cover to cover http://www.messagesfrommichael.com/book.html it can be a remarkable way to determine, what you are troy channels chart at $10.00 at www.truthloveenergy.ning.com (although, it takes approx 3-4 weeks to get a chart) he does a very good job, doing them i am a 6th level OLD soul King Cast Sage - with priest essence twins/and, task companions (all discarnate spirits) who work with me, as guides

11-19-2009, 07:32 AM	#7
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings The soul incarnates as a personality in order to focus on certain experiences, sometimes called lessons, and in order to focus on these experience a perceptual lens is chosen. Your experience is filtered through your soul age. Generally speaking, the older the soul age you inhabit, the wider your perception of the universe and others will be, and the more possibilities arise for seeing the universe's interconnection and love. An infant soul can only see others like itself; that is its universe. An old soul has more possibility to see the universe in its infinite beauty - though of course rarely does. All is chosen, including soul age. Soul Age is a concept that it is possible to use to separate yourself from others with. "She's an old soul", you might have heard as a child when you were talked about. This meant, supposedly, that you were wiser, smarter, more evolved, and closer to enlightenment than others. The concept of soul age has no "better" or even "closer to enlightenment". You are, at this moment, incarnating in other soul age perceptions in other timeframes and other parallels. But your experience, Now, is within the framework of a soul age. In the Michael Teachings concept, soul age has nothing to do with being more 'evolved'. All time is Now, therefore thinking of linear evolution is a misnomer. There is no 'better', since you are All That Is. However, this doesn't mean the concept of the progression through the soul ages is invalid, any more than saying that psychological progression through developmental stages is invalid because no human being is worth more than another. The soul chooses to incarnate with perceptual lenses. Infant Soul The main lesson of the infant soul is survival. In this cycle, or sequence of lives, the soul becomes habituated to life in a human body. It is a big shift for a soul used to not being incarnate! It is vastly different than being an animal without a wide range of choices. The infant soul will tend to live an intense life based mostly in instinct. Sex is mostly about surrendering to unknown urges, whether it be animal urges or society's instruction. An infant soul can life in society, in the wild, or in urban jungles on the street - but will tend to live instinctively. The life lived here can be described as Simplicity. This simplicity extends outwards in all directions, including inwardly. The infant soul looks at others as "other Me's". There is puzzlement or hostility when differences occur; it is not easily fit into this perceptual framework. While it seems that an Infant Soul's life is mostly that of fear, there is still trendous joy in simple pleasures simply from the intense presence of simplicity. Because they are survival focused, the joy that comes from simply being present in the body is not lost. They tend to be more present-moment focused than any other age except the manifested old soul. An example of the evolution of the infant soul might be of the harnessing of individual energies into a collective whole, for survival focus, in a group. This brings lessons on interconnection to the infant soul perspective. A focus is found, energy moves through that channel. The dispersion of this energy creates a union of the individuals so participating that creates in turn chemical reactions within the body that produce hormones that free the self from the confines of the body itself. This freedom transfers again into movement that needs to find an outlet, the closest outlet being the other members of the group. Therefore energies move a second time among the members of this group and produces what results as “the group high” that is experienced by those participating in what is a mob experience. Other soul ages participating in a mob are often reverting to the infant soul's perspective. In terms of modern psychology, the infant soul can be linked to Maslow's survival perspective. Baby Soul The perception of the baby soul framework has evolved to the point that they can allow awareness of differences of others. There is "me" and "not me", and there is a lack of feeling of safety from this. Expanded awareness is not always joyful; it must be balanced, used, and incorporated, and to do this at this level requires the exploration of safety. In Maslow's hierarchy, that is where this perception resides. In other frameworks, it can be termed "rule-making", for that is a regular expression of this desire for safety. Young Soul The young soul's lessons are the epitome of directing outward energy. The lessons involve status, competition, and making an impact on the world. Power becomes a focus. The lessons involve forces exerted from and to you, and finding a balance, often with success as a barometer. This is the height of what is called the "ego", or rather the perception of isolation from All That Is. While this may sound negative, it is part of the perfection that is soul evolution. Young souls , often believing that this is their "all or nothing" livetime, will tend to throw themselves into their lives and truly enjoy the physicality. They can often get more things done than other soul ages, for the external world is paramount in their perception. There are many tasks which are more suited to young souls than others. For the last few thousand years, the planet has been in a young soul period. We are now beginning the transition into the mature soul age, in which the average soul age of those on the Earth will become mature. Mature Soul Moving away from the experience of separation and competition that is the stereotypical expression of the young soul. In this framework, a deeper level of exchange is possible between souls. There is more capability to receive energetically than in earlier perceptions, and this can open up a whole new can of worms, that of esteem. Because of the opening up of the world, there is more openness to energetic sensitivities and psychic awareness, even if it is not fully conscious. The mature soul can experience others as they experience themselves. These inputs can be overwhelming at times and can take many lifetimes to balance. The mature soul age, being the 4th in the sequence, is on the neutral, assimilation axis. Old Soul The old soul's lesson have to do with being. This is the last cycle normally experienced on Earth. (The next two can show up here from time to time, but never on demand.) The perception of the old soul is about expansion beyond immediate family into the universe as a whole. It is the first cardinal soul age, which is why the shift turns to being. There is an awareness that the old soul is All That Is. There is an awareness that separation does not truly exist. There is an awareness, even in conflict, that you are the other person who riled you up so much, which can bring out laughter. This, of course, is only possibility. Old souls can also be stuck, holding on to the perceptions of earlier soul ages, or simply exploring the immediate surroundings from an old soul perspective. The more expanded perception means a wider range of choices, and these are seen in the old soul. Some live as simply as infant souls, some may be on the board of a corporation, and some may choose lives that complement learning about being and interconnection, such as certain arts, gardening, or cultivating wine. The expanded perception also mean that the veil between lives is lessoned. While memories of past lives are not always conscious, there is a greater sense of knowingness that can create competence in many areas, even in those not aligned with the role. The stereotype of the old soul in the western culture is arrogant and intellectual. Intellectual centering can help with investigating believe structures about the universe and All That Is, but old souls have all centerings, as they have all overleaves. There is nothing "younger" about being emotionally centered and passionately going to extremes of excstacy and despair. This is part of the physical plane, and one of the major lessons of the physical plane is to love it as it is. The old soul will simply have more resources at its disposal in the surrender that is this love. The old soul level brings a more reserved yet gentle love of others. Expectations are greatly diminished, and what is left is a more pure sense of playful interaction between people on many levels, not the least of which is cellular. Some of the urgency regarding receipt is gone, and with that is left more wonder and more awe at the hugeness and complexity of the entire universal concept that is Love. Through this soul age, much of the entire “heaviness" of the physical plane can be transcended, at least for moments, as the people so involved become aware of Self in all its greatness and connectedness. Experiencing this, even for momentary periods, leads often to rapid growth due to the perceptual changes that occur during the interaction. Transcendental Soul The transcendental soul appears on Earth when a reunited Entity from the Astral Plane or the Causal Plane brings its energy to the physical plane through another soul. An immense amount of energy is brought to bear. These souls are rarely seen and usually provoke great societal changes through their energy, awareness, and perspective. They can be known in history, such as Gandhi or Mohammed, or not. Infinite Soul The infinite soul is a manifestation of the Tao brought to the physical plane. They do not perceive separation, and bring the full teachings of the Tao through their being and energy. The amount of energy involved in the manifestation can be compared to an impending supernova. Jesus, Buddha, and Lao Tsu were manifestations of the infinite soul. http://www.polarisrising.com/soul-ag...teachings.html

11-19-2009, 04:48 PM	#8
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings monads we play out: *Classic External (relationship) Monads Teacher/Student; Parent/Child; Imprinter/Imprinted; Siblings (brother/brother, brother/sister, sister/sister); Husband/Wife; Leader/Follower; Attacker/Victim; Healer/Healed; Rescuer/Rescued; Integrator/Eccentric; Hopelessly Loving/Hopelessly Loved; Passionate/Repressed; Dependent/Independent; Pivotal Facilitator/Facilitated; Slovenly/Meticulous; Passive/Aggressive; Adept/Apprentice; Artist/Patron; Deserter/Abandoned; Profligate/Tempered; Innocent/Sophisticate; Promiscuous/Impotent; Master/Slave; Player/Pawn; Defender/Defended; Hidden/Disclosed; Slander/Slandered; Jailer/Prisoner; Tandem Monad; Love Monad per Troy, www.truthloveenergy.ning.com MaMaS~KitSi-Nu~Susan says: Then, the heart_link monad At that point, the two souls, play out the heart Link, and, they will do so, knowing, full well, that they have lived through, each/and, every monad above, playing out, both sides, of the equations, and, they will have done, everyone of them, each to the other as, it is necessary, to play out, each and every side, of all monads, in order, to create, an equation, that, can hold the balance that, can hold the substance that is necessary that is required to embark, on a heart_link. each and, every 30 monads (that are mentioned above) you will excute/you will play out all 30 Classic External (relationship) Monads prior to the entering of The Pivot of a Heart_Link You will have done; everything, each to each other absolutely; everyone of them; you will have played out, both sides of the equations to achieve, the status, that is necessary to enter into a heart_link monad, for it is, the 'grand' accumulation, of all, that has existed, between time, and, between space, between 2, or more souls, that interact, in each of the monads, The heart_link, it is seen, as, the "grand finale", so-to-speak. it is, where the 'sum total' of all the exchanges of all the lessons, that were learned, come full circle, into a balanced round, so, the eXchange of two souls, can successfully work towards, the completion of a 'heart_link', this is a monad, that is entered into, pre-natally, and/or, it can be entered into, with NO pre-natal agreement, at the 'old soul' level... the choice to enter into one, brings the totality of all that was, into the pivot of the now, of all, that is, balanced, and, completed between two fragments(souls) and, brings it all back together again to eXchange one, to the other with a balance of true force, and, true power where both fragments (souls) enter into it, on equal footing, it is the singular, most forceful, and, most powerful monads that two souls, will ever play out together it is where, fullness, and, richness come to meet, richness, and, fullness and, truly much comes to gather more Susan / Michael Entity

11-20-2009, 04:00 AM	#9
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Very fascinating subject. I'd love to find out what my soul is.

11-20-2009, 05:59 PM	#10
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger BABY SOULS 6TH LEVEL: Ayatollah Khomeini YOUNG SOULS 3RD LEVEL: John Calvin, Ivan the Terrible 4TH LEVEL: Catherine the Great of Russia, Hector Berioz, St. Dominic, Handel, Chopin, Ronald Reagan 5TH LEVEL: 6TH LEVEL: Joan of Arc, Oliver Cromwell, King Charles I of England, Claudius (Emperor of Rome) 7TH LEVEL: John Glenn (astronaut) MATURE SOULS 1ST LEVEL: 2ND LEVEL: 3RD LEVEL: Mozart, Desmond Tutu, Dale Carnegie 4TH LEVEL: Mussorgsky, Wagner, Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Vincent van Gogh, Ingres, Michaelangelo, Miguel de Cervantes, St. Francis of Assisi, W.B. Yeats, Rumi, Leonard Cohen, T.S. Eliot, Shelley, Dostoyevsky, Virginia Woolf, Anais Nin, Victor Hugo, Anne Rice, Barbara Kingsolver, Plato, Michel Foucoult, Bertrand Russell, Immanuel Kant 5TH LEVEL: Botticelli, Michael Jackson, King Louis XIV of France, Prokofiev, Puccini, William Shakespeare, King Charles II of England, King Richard III of England, Sam Neill, Eugene McCarthy, Ringo Starr, Joni Mitchell 6TH LEVEL: Francisco de Goya, Pope Paul VI, Pharaoh Ramases II (Ramases the Great), Joseph Merrick (“the Elephant Man”), Anwar Sadat, Dag Hammarsklod, Franklin Roosevelt 7TH LEVEL: Jacques Luis David, George Fox, Rossini, Jacques Cousteau, Ralph Nader OLD SOULS 1ST LEVEL: Igor Stravinsky, Robert A. Heinlein, Andrew Weil, Carlos Castaneda, Christian Slater, Tommy Lee Jones, Gene hackman, Ray Liotta 2ND LEVEL: J.S. Bach, Lorenzo de’Medici, Robert Redford, Whoopie Goldberg, Eric Clapton, Robin Williams, James Taylor 3RD LEVEL: Beethoven, Arthur C. Clarke, George Washington, Harrison Ford 4TH LEVEL: Paul Gauguin, Walt Whitman, William Blake, Mark Twain, Alice Walker, Pema Chodron 5TH LEVEL: Pope John XXIII, Leonardo da Vinci, Carl Jung, Ken Keys 6TH LEVEL: Thich Nhat Hanh, Krishnamurti, Gangaji, Ammachi, 7TH LEVEL: Buddha, Jesus, John Muir, Don Juan Matus, Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayima, Neem Karoli Baba anyone familiar with The Michael Teachings ??? a cycled off mid-causal entity group lots of info on www.michaelteachings.com I see that Bach was a second level old soul. I'm just curious because I have been following this being from lifetime to lifetime and I also lived with this being when he had the identity of Felix Mendelssohn. This lifetime this being was a very talented female (recently deceased from heart attack) and firstly into spiritual clearing work with music and conducting as a sideline. From lifetime to lifetime would the being progress in age, or would the being sometimes regress in age depending upon the identity they chose to take on? For info I was told I am an old soul (OLD/5) manifesting as an Old Soul and operating at a very high frequency. Perhaps that is why I have chosen in the last half of my life to devote myself to larger clearing projects, while dancing through my earthly role as the "cleaning lady/landlady" Gnosis Last edited by Gnosis5; 11-20-2009 at 06:08 PM.

11-22-2009, 05:17 AM	#11
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings 5th level old is an amasing level ~i've found these teachings, very beneficial

11-22-2009, 05:19 AM	#12
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by Gnosis5 From lifetime to lifetime would the being progress in age, or would the being sometimes regress in age depending upon the identity they chose to take on? Gnosis a soul can choose to manifest a soul age, younger than they actually are sometimes, i've had a lot of 'fun' manifesting 'out-of-this-world' 5th level old although, i suppose, i am ready - to manifest my 'real' soul age

11-22-2009, 05:24 AM	#13
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Advanced Michael teachings global jobs; etc., http://www.itstime.com/mentity.htm i am row 49 side of truth #343 ~ global prosperity / and, completion - king mastery row i am an old king cast sage soul with et's (essence twins) discarnate priest and, tc's (task companions) discarnate priest and, i have an incarnate et/essence twin - a warrior and, i have an incarnate tc/task companion - a server

11-22-2009, 05:25 AM	#14
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings we also have TC'S or travelling companions they are souls; who share your same raw # but, are in different cadre/and, entities (soul families)

11-22-2009, 08:49 AM	#15
Ross H Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Queensland Australia Posts: 507	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Thanks eXchanger, I would think Mother Thersa would be 'old soul' 7th level...if shes not she should be? Peace

11-22-2009, 05:35 PM	#16
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Mother T, was a 6th level old soul

11-22-2009, 05:59 PM	#17
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings here's a little more info: An Overview of the Michael System BY EMILY BAUMBACH Long ago you faced a dilemma. You were about to start a grand journey, a new cycle of lifetimes in a human body. In your cycle you would sign on for approximately 10,000 years, or 50-200 lifetimes, in order to learn about the physical plane and about sentience. You were told that in order to become sentient you needed to be one of seven personality types, or "Roles": Server, Priest, Artisan, Sage, Warrior, King, or Scholar. Your Role, to be chosen by you, would be your underlying personality type through all of your lifetimes in the cycle. You knew this was a big decision, one you'd have to live with for a long time. Should you be a kind, loving Server? An inspired Priest? A creative Artisan? A fun-loving Sage? What about a brave Warrior, masterful King, or intelligent Scholar? To make things easier for you, the universal life force or Tao created a system of personality traits called overleaves, to be worn like a cloak over your true Role. You would stay the same Role through each of your lifetimes in the cycle, but every lifetime you would change your overleaves for variety. Overleaves would give you a chance to experiment with the energy of all the other Roles, modify your life experience as needed, and enable you to be complex and sophisticated. When you began your first lifetime as whatever Role you wanted to be. You chose a Goal for that lifetime: Re-evaluation, Growth, Discrimination, Acceptance, Submission, Dominance, or Relaxation. You also chose a Mode: Repression, Passion, Caution, Power, Perseverance, Aggression, or Observation. And an Attitude: Stoic, Spiritualist, Skeptic, Idealist, Cynic, Realist, or Pragmatist. You chose one or two Chief Features: Arrogance, Self-Deprecation, Self-Destruction, Greed, Martyrdom, Impatience, or Stubbornness; and a Centering: Emotional, Higher Emotional, Intellectual, Higher Intellectual, Moving, Higher Moving, or Instinctive; like a Chinese dinner. Once you completed that first lifetime and learned all you could about that set of overleaves, you went on to another lifetime with another set. Staying your same Role, you chose a new Goal, Mode, Attitude, Chief Feature and Centering. Most people choose a partner with whom to share their entire cycle, called an "Essence Twin." Your Essence Twin is one other person who goes through lifetimes just like you do, with varying overleaves, all the while staying their same Role: Server, Priest, Artisan, Sage, Warrior, King, or Scholar. Your Essence Twin is the one person who always "gets" to you, each lifetime, and the person with whom you will develop the most karmas. As you progress through your cycle, with more and more lifetimes of experience, you make your way through what are called "Soul Ages": Infant, Baby, Young, Mature, and Old. Eventually you complete your cycle at the end of the Old Soul phase, and unite once again with All That Is, The Tao. Each and every person you know is one Role or another, one Soul Age or another, with a chosen Goal, Mode, Attitude, Chief Feature, and Centering for the lifetime. For instance, let's pretend your Role is Server. Your Essence Twin happens to be a Scholar. You might be a successful nurse practitioner, an enjoyable, inspiring profession for you. You like serving people by healing their illnesses. Your ability to handle the details of medical treatments comes from the bleedthrough of your Scholar ET's energy, whether or not your ET is in your life. Perhaps this lifetime you have chosen Goal of Discrimination to help you learn discernment, giving you a knack for diagnosis of illness and skill with treatment recommendations. You might have chosen the Mode of Observation which gives you the ability to survey patients quietly, looking for flickers of symptoms otherwise easily missed. In addition, you chose the Attitude of Pragmatist, providing you with a good sense of efficiency on your busy hospital ward. Your Chief Feature or trap might be Greed fixated on snacks from the cafeteria, something of a professional embarrassment as you are supposed to be a role model for a healthy lifestyle. These "overleaves" or layers upon your Server Role give you the personality traits you need to fulfill your life task, that of working within the medical system to heal people. But you haven't always had those overleaves. Last lifetime you may have wanted to travel a lot, socialize, be silly, believe in the goodness of the universe, and work on self-karmas. You were still a Server with a Scholar Essence Twin, as you will always be. But you might have chosen Goal of Growth, with Passion Mode, Attitude of Spiritualist, and Chief Feature or trap of Self-Deprecation. Next lifetime you might want to go into politics. You may choose Goal of Dominance, with Power Mode, Attitude of Realist, and Chief Feature or trap of Stubbornness. These strong, rather masculine overleaves will support you through the buffeting you're likely to get as a public figure. In sum, you are the same Role in each of your lifetimes within a 50-200 lifetime cycle. Each lifetime you grow in Soul Level and Soul Age, choosing a new arrangement of Goal, Mode, Attitude, Chief Feature and Centering. Let's start with a description of the seven Soul Ages. Soul age As you progress through your cycle, you naturally grow in experience. Your world view changes according to a systematic plan, which corresponds to your Soul Age. Soul Age is usually determined by the number of lifetimes you've had, start to finish, however some people are speedier learners than others, and can become Old Souls with fewer lifetimes than the norm. Here are the seven Soul Ages and their attributes: Infant: Raw, simple, wild and unmanageable, instinctive, animal-like in some cases, frightened look in eyes, limited frame of reference due to small number of lifetimes. Simple people in tribal cultures, survivalists in the woods, psychopaths, mass murderers. Not too many Infant Souls become famous, but here are a few: Richard Allen Davis (killer of Polly Klaas), David Carpenter (serial rapist/killer), Richard Ramirez (The Hillside Strangler), Larry Singleton (rapist/killer). Baby: The phase where people learn to live with people. Can be loving, yet simplistic in thinking; see things in black and white terms, Good versus Evil; like the security of church or political party membership; like to live in small, insular towns without a whole lot going on. Rules make life seem easy to understand. Love big families. Religious churchgoers, God-fearers, evangelists, PTA and NRA members. Examples: Jerry Falwell, Adolph Hitler, Jesse James, Rush Limbaugh, Timothy McVeigh, Mike Tyson, Brigham Young. Young: Sophisticated, worldly-wise, like to be rich and famous, to collect things. A karma-building level. Not too deep, love power, worship youth, don't like to look old. Examples: Cher, Sheryl Crow, Rebecca DeMornay, Kirsten Dunst, Newt Gingrich, John Grisham, Nicole Kidman, Ralph Lauren, Bob Packwood, Claudia Schiffer, OJ Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson, Sharon Stone, Donald Trump. Mature: Interested in deep relationships and philosophy, thrive on emotional intensity, learning about their impact on the world, striving for ecological and social balance. Examples: Murray Abraham, Isabel Allende, Maya Angelou, Michael Bolton, Kevin Costner, Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Bob Dylan, Anthony Hopkins, John Malkovich, Bill Moyers, Sinead O'Connor, Martin Sheen, Gary Trudeau, Robert James Waller, James Woods. Old: Retired, relaxed-looking, puttering around, usually happy, not getting excited about too much, unambitious, learning to teach and love, finishing off karmas. Examples: Werner Erhard, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, Robert Bly, George Carlin, Whoopi Goldberg, James Earl Jones, Dalai Lama, Gary Larson, Nelson Mandela, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Murray, Jack Palance, Ram Dass, Bernie Siegel, Patrick Stewart, Jessica Tandy, Mother Teresa, Alice Walker, Marianne Williamson, Frank Zappa. Transcendental: Bodhisattvas, religious leaders, prophets who predict coming of Infinite Souls, represent their cycled-off entity. Meher Baba, Mahatma Gandhi, Pope John XXIII, John the Baptist, Hazrat Khan, Mother Meera, Ammachi, Mohammed, Socrates, St. Francis of Assisi, Paramahansa Yogananda, Zarathustra. Infinite: Manifestation of the Tao incarnate, comes about every 2,000 years, can have the flavor of any of the higher planes. Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ, Confucius, Krishna, Lao Tsu, Ra the Egyptian Sun God, the Hindu God Rama. Mother Meera of Germany, currently alive, is looking at signing on for Infinite Soul manifestation. Soul level Within each Soul Age are seven levels of awareness and lessons. As with any cycle you start out as a beginner, go through the intermediate stages, and end up a pro. Generally you are most comfortable with people who fall within seven Soul Levels younger or older than you are. For instance, if you are 1st level Old, you'll feel comfortable with most Mature Souls and most Old Souls. If you are 3rd level Mature, you'll feel most comfortable around 3rd to 7th level Young Souls, and 1st to 3rd level Old Souls. You may find it difficult but not impossible to relate to Baby Souls or late level Old Souls. are the seven Soul Levels within each Soul Age: 1st: The Ingenue level. You're just beginning your experience at the new Soul Age, and have a delightful innocence about you. You will tend to make friends with people who are older than you within your Soul Age. Examples: Prince Andrew, Sonny Bono, Tammy Fae Bakker, Rodney Dangerfield, Joe Montana, Hugh Grant, Eric Clapton, Macaulay Culkin. 2nd: The Explorer. At this level you feel more grounded in the new consciousness, and send yourself out in the world. Here you work most strongly on your self-karmas, testing your personal habit patterns and working on your self-discipline. Examples: Jerry Garcia, Barbara Marx-Hubbard, Jay Leno, Mary Kay Ash, James Taylor. 3rd: The Renunciate. You're solidly into your Soul Age now, and take some time to pull back from your outer growth. You might prefer to live a quiet life where your thoughts can remain undisturbed. Examples: Alice Walker, Greta Garbo, J.D. Salinger, Stephen Hawking, Walt Whitman. 4th: Full Steam Ahead. You've done your contemplation for a lifetime or two, and now you're rarin' to go. You thrust yourself into outer activity, probably to change the world according to your vision. Examples: Deepak Chopra, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Joseph Campbell, Mario Cuomo, Jane Fonda, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Jefferson. 5th: The Hippie. Your last lifetime was rather suit & tie, working within the system to change it. Now you rebel against authority, and make your own (eccentric) rules. Examples: Bob Goldthwait, Tom Waites, Jimi Hendrix, Wolfman Jack, Pablo Picasso, Truman Capote, Geena Davis, Willem Dafoe. 6th: The Martyr. An incredibly intense level; you'll want to take more than one lifetime to get through it all. In the Infant, Baby and Young Soul Ages you create more karma at this level than any other. In the Mature and Old Soul Ages you pay off more karma. Examples: Martin Luther King, Marcia Clark, Werner Erhard, Adolph Hitler, Timothy Leary, Charles Manson, Mother Teresa, Michael Jackson, The Elephant Man, Elizabeth Taylor. 7th: Resting Assured. This level is a plateau, a relaxing point after the 6th level storm and before the growth to the 1st level of the next Soul Age. Here you feel self-assured, having mastered most of the lessons of the Soul Age you just completed. You'll probably act as teacher for people still working through the lessons of the Soul Age you're leaving behind. Examples: Lynn Andrews, Meher Baba, Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Bob Hope, Ram Dass, Ruth Westheimer, Thich Nhat Hanh, Boutros Boutros-Ghali. Role The Role is the main personality archetype we choose for the entire cycle. We remain our same Role through each lifetime, giving us a basis of experience on which to draw. Our Role sets the theme for the cycle, and indicates something our inner essence wants to learn about. Here are the seven Roles: Server: Sweet, service-oriented, soft and luminous, dedicated, loving, heals suffering. Like to be nurses, veterinarians, social workers, office workers, moms and dads. Some celebrity examples: Ingrid Bergman, Phil Donahue, Laura Dern, Mia Farrow, Dalai Lama, Robert MacNeil, Kelly McGillis, Eleanor Roosevelt, Chelsea Clinton, Albert Schweitzer, Queen Victoria. Priest: Inspired, visionary, zealous, instigates global or mass healing, leads congregation. Political or religious spokesperson, troubleshooter, preacher, holy man/woman, spiritual teacher, founder of nonprofit organization, wants to save the world. Examples: St. Francis, Joan Baez, Adolph Hitler, Joan of Arc, Timothy Leary, Rasputin, Nancy Reagan, Martin Sheen, Lily Tomlin, Malcolm X, Frank Zappa. Artisan: Delicate, airy, vulnerable, unearthly, dreamy, highly creative, artistic, musical, fluid and flexible. Actors, dancers, fine artists, fashion models, carpenters, construction people, architects, musicians, poets. Examples: Nicholas Cage, Kurt Cobain, Macaulay Culkin, Leonardo DaVinci, Johnny Depp, Albert Einstein, Dennis Hopper, Whitney Houston, Kato Kaelin, Mozart, Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Jennifer Tilly, Marisa Tomei, Andy Warhol. Sage: Funny, jokester, lifts everyone's spirits, likes to make play out of work, lightens up the crowd. Flamboyant actor or actress, delightful ham, salesperson, politician, TV announcer (especially sports and weather), comedian. In negative expression, buffoon. Examples: Dan Aykroyd, Lucille Ball, Sandra Bernhard, Mel Brooks, Brett Butler, Bill Clinton, Tim Curry, Rodney Dangerfield, Danny DeVito, Fran Drescher, Placido Domingo, Whoopi Goldberg, John Goodman, Mick Jagger, Jay Leno, Groucho Marx, Bette Midler, Jack Nicholson, Vincent Price, Mark Twain, Jesse Ventura. Warrior: Solid, brave, has valor and strength, good protector of the kingdom. Lawyers, police officers, military personnel, prison guards, run shelters for battered women/children and the homeless, mountain climbers, athletes, professional boxers. : Tom Brokaw, Barbara Bush, Diane Delano, Richard Gere, Norman Mailer, Demi Moore, Martina Navratilova, Janet Reno, Nicole Brown Simpson, Oliver Stone, Mike Tyson, John Wayne. King: Natural leader, masterful, regal, solid. Head of country, CEO of corporation, entrepreneur, football coach. Examples: Sean Connery, Mario Cuomo, Queen Elizabeth I, William Randolph Hearst, Madonna, Aristotle Onassis, Ross Perot, Bill Walsh, Orson Wells, Madeleine Albright. Scholar: Neutral, research-oriented, collects and sorts information for everyone, likes to study systems whether philosophical or scientific. Astrologers, doctors, scientists of all types, academicians, writers, university professors, legal counsels, mapmakers. Examples: Ken Burns, Carlos Castaneda, Michael Crichton, Galileo, Pee Wee Herman, Lance Ito, John Lennon, Bill Moyers, Faith Popcorn, George Washington, Kenneth Starr. Essence twin Your essence twin is someone who was cast out from the Tao the very same time you were. You follow each other around lifetime after lifetime searching for each other, obsessed with each other, and sometimes trying to get away from each other. You and your Essence Twin mirror each other like no one else. The intensity you feel and the focusing you do on your Essence Twin causes you to channel his or her energy as a secondary Role expression. For instance, if you are a Scholar with a Warrior Essence Twin, you will do the things Scholars usually do (research, compile lists) but will likely use it in a competitive situation, such as a business. If you are a Warrior with a Scholar Essence Twin, you might be a police officer with a penchant for collecting unusual boxes. If you are an Artisan with a King Essence Twin, your career as a rock musician will be successful, since you channel the mastery of your Essence Twin's Role, the King. Here are some examples of famous people with their Essence Twins. Note the similarity of "feel," as if it's one person sharing two bodies. As well, see how the flavor of the Role bleeds through to the other Essence Twin: Warrior Ferdinand & Priest Imelda Marcos, Sage Hugh & Warrior Christie Hefner, Artisan Jean-Paul Sartre and Warrior Simone de Beauvoir, King Madonna & Artisan Sean Penn, Sage Mikhail & King Raisa Gorbachev, Sage Richard Burton and Artisan Elizabeth Taylor, Warrior Sam Shepard & Artisan Jessica Lange, Artisan Sylvester Stallone & Warrior Brigitte Nielson, King Jesus & Priest John the Baptist. Goal Each lifetime you choose one of seven Goals, themes for the lifetime to focus on. For instance, you might need to learn about leadership, so you choose Dominance. The following lifetime you need to learn how to follow orders, so you choose Submission. Then, wanting to get out and explore the universe, you choose Growth. You can choose any Goal you want, but you will have every Goal at least twice during your cycle of 50-200 lifetimes. Here are the Goals and their attributes: Re-evaluation: Likes simplicity, one or two issues for the lifetime, likes to stay in one place. Examples: Albert Einstein, Buddha, Marlin Fitzwater, James Joyce, Edgar Allan Poe, George Shultz, Stephen Hawking. Growth: Likes complexity. Typically, 3-6 careers for the lifetime, many relationships, moves a lot. Examples: Tom Hanks, Shirley MacLaine, Steven Spielberg, Dana Carvey, Jerry Brown, Tipper Gore, Tom Hanks, Kevin Kline, Susan Sarandon, Jerry Seinfeld. Discrimination: Sophisticated, likes to reject what comes to them, meticulous, analytical, refined sense of taste. Examples: David Byrne, Julia Child, Bob Dylan, Peter Jennings, Jason Alexander, Adam Arkin, Mr. Blackwell, George Bush, Roger Ebert, Ralph Fiennes, Larry King, Miss Manners, Rob Morrow, Gene Siskel. Acceptance: Open to things that come to them. Want to love everyone and have everyone love them. Examples: Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Linda Evans, Bill Clinton, Christie Brinkley, Sandra Bullock, Bobby McFerrin, Diane Sawyer. Dominance: In positive pole, likes win/ win situations. Developing leadership abilities in the lifetime. Examples: Lee Iacocca, Mike Tyson, Fidel Castro, Newt Gingrich, Maya Angelou, Hillary Clinton, Jodie Foster, Submission: Likes to devote self to a cause, family, or group. Examples: Jane Fonda, Dian Fossey, Princess Diana, Mr. Rogers, Oliver North, John Bradshaw, Tom Cruise, Robert Dole, Jaime Escalante, Mia Farrow, Mahatma Gandhi, Joan of Arc, Ralph Nader, Pat Nixon, Tim Robbins. Relaxation: Vacation lifetime. Things come easy usually, not a whole lot of struggle. Bottom line: Taking the path of least resistance. Examples: Ringo Starr, George Hamilton, Sheryl Crow,Antonio Banderas, David Crosby, Bhagwan Rajneesh, Louis Rukuyser, Claudia Schiffer, Christian Slater, Dweezil Zappa. Mode You choose one of seven Modes each lifetime, which are ways you express your body: Repression: Elegant, refined, sophisticated, delicate, self-controlled, look great in a tuxedo or formal wear. Ballet dancers, neurosurgeons, fashion models, ladies and gentlemen. Examples: Lloyd Bentsen, Candice Bergen, Pierce Brosnan, Prince Charles, Princess Diana, David Duchovny, Ralph Fiennes, Joanna Lumley, Priscilla Presley. Passion: Bubbly, full of life, vital, enthusiastic, animated. Comedians, stage actors, musicians, bon vivants. Examples: Leonard Bernstein, Sonia Braga, Nicholas Cage, Kathie Lee Gifford, Mick Jagger, Dolly Parton, Sarah Jessica Parker, Dick Van Dyke, Debra Winger, Weird Al Yankovic. Caution: Sensitive, deliberate, careful, cautious, shy, can't be rushed. Cops, librarians, IRS auditors. Examples: Bob Dole,Winston Churchill, R. Crumb, Dan Rather, Suzanne Vega, Vanna White, Humphrey Bogart. Power: Generates nuclear power, takes charge, likes control, has intensity and power, charismatic. Organization CEOs, leaders of countries, movers and shakers. Examples: Marlon Brando, Willie Brown, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, L. Ron Hubbard, Raul Julia, Ross Perot, Colin Powell, Rod Serling, Rod Steiger, Perseverance: Never gives up, sees project through to completion, digs teeth in, holds on. Researchers, social workers, inventors. Examples: Kevin Costner, Katie Couric, Walt Disney, Thomas Edison, Elizabeth Dole, Carrie Fisher, John Glenn, Mahatma Gandhi, John Grisham, Pope John Paul II, Jack Kevorkian, Nelson Mandela, Ralph Nader, Martina Navratilova, Jack Palance. Aggression: Hard-driving, breaks through barriers, dynamic, likes competition, volcanic, enjoy a good battle. Martial arts experts, military personnel, boxers, lawyers, politicians, large machine operators, athletes. Examples: Tom Arnold, Tim Curry, Willem Dafoe, Judy Davis, Michael Douglas, Bob Hoskins, Michael Keaton, Harvey Keitel, Tommy Lee Jones, Ray Liotta, Axl Rose, Nicole Brown Simpson, Richard Simmons, Tina Turner, Bruce Willis. Observation: Look somewhat distanced, neutral, observing the room from an unobtrusive place, look Scholarly. Can slide to the other Modes. Computer programmers, book editors, writers, cultural commentators. Examples: Tim Allen, Larry King, Liam Neeson, Gillian Anderson, Brian Boitano, Eric Clapton, Michael Crichton, Robert Downey, Jr., Robert Fulghum, Bridget Fonda, Jerry Seinfeld. Attitude Your Attitude is your most basic problem-solving style. It's how you go about handling information, and is your normal mindset. Because it is based on the mind, the Attitude is the one overleaf you can change, perhaps using the other six Attitudes as you go through your day. Here are the seven Attitudes, with their attributes: Stoic: Keep emotions inside, handle crises silently and bravely, facial expression doesn't change a lot (can be an asset in wartime or in business). Confidence men or women, diplomats, prisoners of war, soldiers, doctors, First Ladies of countries, poker players Examples: Marlon Brando, Buddha, Rebecca de Mornay, Clint Eastwood, Al Gore, Alfred Hitchcock, Abraham Lincoln, John Lennon, Colin Powell, Lisa Marie Presley-Jackson, OJ Simpson, Jimmy Smits, Charlie Watts, George Washington. Spiritualist: See tragedies as opportunities, soft and watery eyes, dreamily optimistic, seeing God in everything and everyone. Ministers, healers, drug addicts, followers of leaders, holy men and women, artists, musicians. Examples: Lisa Bonet, Nicholas Cage, Geena Davis, Gerard Depardieu, Mahatma Gandhi, Whitney Houston, Magic Johnson, Andie MacDowell, Bob Marley, Julia Ormond, Ram Dass, Marianne Williamson Skeptic: Check things out before believing in them, ask penetrating questions, hard to convince of something. Auditors, critics, debunkers, journalists, lawyers. Examples: Danny Aiello, Jason Alexander, Connie Chung, Marcia Clark, Glenn Close, Katie Couric, Robert Duvall, Roger Ebert, Sigmund Freud, Peter Jennings, Jim Lehrer, Rob Morrow, William Shakespeare, Mike Wallace. Idealist: Like to really believe in something (sometimes without checking out the details first), have strong sense of fairness and equality, like to get involved in schemes, start nonprofit organizations around a favorite ideal. Salespeople, TV commercial actors, spokespersons, theory people. Examples: Sonny Bono, Bill Clinton, John Denver, Phil Donahue, Jane Fonda, Holly Hunter, Thomas Jefferson, Diane Keaton, Jack LaLanne, Timothy Leary, Harvey Milk, Sinead O'Connor, Robin Williams. Cynic: Acerbic wit, sophisticated sense of contradiction, personally disappointed by whatever is wrong with the world; tendency to see negatively. If sense of humor, can be great comedians. Examples: Sandra Bernhard, Boy George, James Carville, R. Crumb, Willem Dafoe, Bob Dylan, Bob Goldthwaite, Harvey Keitel, Sylvia Miles, Jim Morrison, River Phoenix, Stephen Rea, Lou Reed, Keith Richards, Roseanne, Martin Scorsese, Harry Dean Stanton, Hunter Thompson, Christopher Walken. Realist: Objective, weighs all sides, cuts through dross to get to heart of the issue, matter-of-fact. Comptrollers, financial experts, scientists, plumbers, judges. Examples: Tom Brokaw, Elizabeth Dole, Dianne Feinstein, Lance Ito, Katherine Hepburn, Ann Landers, Cokie Roberts, Greta Scacchi, Gene Siskel, Maggie Smith, Judge Wapner. Pragmatist: Efficiency experts, know how to cut corners to save time, schedule-oriented, like to make lists. Time management experts, economists, industrial designers, accountants, nutritionists. Examples: Gillian Anderson, Lloyd Bentsen, Cindy Crawford, Joycelyn Elders, Werner Erhard, Bridget Fonda, Lee Iacocca, Margaret Mead, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Martha Stewart, Donald Trump. Chief feature The seven Chief Features arise from what is called "false personality," a symptom of maya or universal delusion. False personality is the inauthentic, delusory part of ourselves, coating the true inner Self or essence with a false cloak of unreal communication. We become caricatures, odd and bizarre, unable to communicate the perfect, illuminated soul essence. That essence is who we really are: a pure, perfect light of consciousness linked to the Tao itself. False personality, and thus the Chief Features, have their roots in fear. When we're anxious about not getting enough love, acknowledgement, life force, food, or time to spare from the universe, we get stuck in habitual, nonproductive behavior patterns. These patterns, we think, protect our vulnerability. They ward off our fears and alleviate our anxiety, if only for the moment. But like any adapting device, they don't heal the roots of fear, and become unconscious habits which keep us blind to our own irritating quirks. Here are the seven Chief Features. Most people have a primary Chief Feature, and a secondary Chief Feature. This means we all have more than one.: Self-Deprecation: Learning lessons of humility for the lifetime, not wanting to appear arrogant. Self-critical, not believing in self, refreshingly humble. Greatest fear is of being inferior. Examples: Bill Clinton, Albert Brooks, Geena Davis, Laura Dern,Gerard Depardieu, Hugh Grant, Dennis Hopper, Chris Isaak, Magic Johnson, Joe Montana, Willie Nelson, Christopher Reeve, Winona Ryder, Donald Sutherland, Daniel Stern, Forest Whitaker, Gene Wilder. Arrogance: Proud, self-confident, vain, uppity, secretly self-deprecating. Greatest fear is of being merely normal or mediocre. Examples: Kevin Bacon, John Cleese, Sean Connery, Brian Dennehy, Salvador Dali, Shannen Doherty, Newt Gingrich, Marvin Hamlisch, Val Kilmer, Kevin Kline, Dave Letterman, Madonna, Bob Packwood, Jack Nicholson, Jack Palance, Jeremiah Tower, Denzel Washington. Self-Destruction: Hard time adjusting to life, often abused as children, not given positive validation from parents, oftentimes want to die, suicidal. Alcoholics, drug addicts, chain smokers, motorcycle and car racers, anorexics, heavy metal enthusiasts. Greatest fear is of life itself with the pain it brings. Examples: John Belushi, Lennie Bruce, Drew Barrymore, R. Crumb, Jim Morrison, Lou Reed, Keith Richards, Hunter Thompson, Jean Paul Sartre, Andy Warhol. Greed: Appetite for life, hungry looking, look like they need a lot of love or money or food or experience, bottomless pits in some cases, voracious, lack of control, zingy eyes. Greatest fear is of starving or being left with nothing (often comes from recent previous life where that actually happened). Examples: Tom Arnold, James Cagney, Jim Carrey, Katie Couric, Jenny Craig, Tim Curry, Michael Douglas, Andy Garcia, Adolph Hitler, Graham Kerr, Ricki Lake, Meatloaf, Roseanne, Richard Simmons, Martha Stewart. Martyrdom: Selflessness, missionary zeal, dies for a cause. Can make others feel guilty. Greatest fear is of being victimized or taken advantage of by others. Examples: Kurt Cobain, Billy Crystal, Olympia Dukakis, Mia Farrow, Martin Luther King, Pat Nixon, Abraham Lincoln, Nelson Mandela, Regis Philbin, Yoko Ono, Stephen Rea, Mother Theresa, John Turturro, Elie Wiesel, Sean Young. Impatience: Daring, tries to do too many things in a short amount of time, hates to be late for anything, intolerant. Type A's, freeway tailgaters, schedule freaks. Greatest fear is of being late, or of missing out on whatever is going on. Examples: Tim Allen, Kathy Bates, George Bush, Danny DeVito, Holly Hunter, Demi Moore, Paul Reiser, Dean Ornish, Rod Steiger, Patrick Swayze, Quentin Tarantino, Marisa Tomei, James Woods. Stubbornness: Determined, hard to move, refuses to change, obstinate. Greatest fear is of being pushed around. Examples: Barbara Boxer, Glenn Close, Robert Duvall, Chris Evert, Dianne Feinstein, Jane Fonda, Mahatma Gandhi, Don Henley, Charlton Heston, Ross Perot, Janet Reno, Zecharia Sitchin, Margaret Thatcher. Centering Centering adds an interesting angle to the overleaves. It is flexible, in that you pick one favorite Centering and Part of Center for the lifetime, but can use the other Parts of Center in situations when you need them. Your Centering reflects your first response to stimuli; your Part of Center is your second response. For instance, you might have Emotional Centering with Intellectual Part of Center. You cry at movies and funerals, keeping Kleenex handy wherever you go. If someone insults you, your first response will be emotional. Later on, you'll use the Intellectual Part of Center to obsess about what they said, what you said in return, what you should have said, what they would have said had you not said what you said, etc. On occasion, however, you will slide to the Moving Part of Center from Emotional Center. You'll take up an exercise regimen to help you slough off depression. Or, you'll go dancing to express your emotional joy. Here's a short synopsis of each of the seven Centers and Parts of Center, with their attributes: Intellectual Center: Born think tanks, rarely losing their cool in emotional situations. You can almost see the gears spinning in their brains. They do well in academia, and the computer and banking industries. With Emotional Part of Center: They think coolly first, then express their emotions later on in private. Examples: Patty Hearst, Katherine Hepburn. With Moving Part of Center: They think first, then act on their thoughts without considering the emotional consequences. Examples: Newt Gingrich, Joseph Goebbels, Lady Godiva. With Instinctive Part of Center: A cool first response which gets funneled through their primal needs. Examples: Hunter Thompson, James Michener, Henry Miller. Emotional Center: Compassionate, empathetic, sympathetic, vulnerable. They feel what you feel, and do well in healing professions where a kind word is important. Schoolteachers, therapists of all kinds, artists, musicians, charity volunteers. With Intellectual Part of Center: They like to funnel their emotions through their thoughts, perhaps enjoying writing or talking about their personal crises. Examples: Woody Allen, John Bradshaw, Regis Philbin. With Moving Part of Center: They funnel their emotions through their bodies, enjoying dance therapy, movement-oriented growth seminars, or stage performance. Examples: Paula Abdul, Janis Joplin, Chuck Berry. With Instinctive Part of Center: Panic disorder, phobias, eccentricity, primal sensuality. Example: Edgar Allan Poe, Jeff Goldblum. Moving Center: Always on the go, these people seem like perpetual motion machines. They love athletics, dancing, anything which gets them up out of their chairs and moving around. With Intellectual Part of Center: They funnel their perpetual motion through their speech. If athletics-minded, they like prescribed dance routines like classical ballet or aerobics, enjoying the structure of sports rules. Examples: Sandra Bernhard, David Byrne, Cher, Howard Cosell. With Emotional Part of Center: They love freeform movement: Brazilian samba, modern dance, belly dancing. Can be attracted to the emotional intensity of athletics, channeling their rage or depth of feeling into the competitive aspects of the sport. Examples: Bonnie Blair, Brian Boitano, Charles Bronson. With Instinctive Part of Center: Hyperactive or autistic child, sensualist, charismatic actor. Example: Pee Wee Herman, Harvey Keitel, Ray Liotta, Martin Luther, Jim Morrison, Timothy Dalton. With Higher Parts of Center (Higher Emotional, Higher Intellectual, Higher Moving): The body moves, and the mind is free. Instinctive Center: Instinctively centered people are hard to find. Look in their eyes and you get an uneasy feeling, like you're looking into some altered reality which makes you uncomfortable. Many Instinctively Centered people are labeled "schizophrenic," but you can be Instinctively Centered without being mentally ill. Instinctive Center gives anyone a pipeline to their animal nature: scents, sounds, primal survival instincts, sensuality. With Intellectual Part of Center: Experimental surgeon, occultist, forensic specialist, power freak. Example: Leni Riefenstahl, Rasputin, Rod Serling. With Emotional Part of Center: Eccentric actor, uncontrolled angry criminal, survivalist. Examples: Ted Bundy, Curtis Sliwa. With Moving Part of Center: Hunter, soldier of fortune, wild animal trainer, violent charismatic leader. Can be cruel, lacking in emotional warmth or intellectual reasoning. Examples: Pol Pot, Rudolf Hess, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson. Higher Centers: The Higher Centers take us out of our egos, and into a state of merging with the cosmos. These states are rare, and considered to be the goal of all spiritual practice. Because the energy is too strong to hold in the body for a long period of time, most of us get only a taste of it once in awhile, perhaps at an enlightenment seminar, in a peak emotional release, or an intensely transcendent meditation session. People who have higher centering as their primary center have chosen an unusual lifestyle of spirituality with much outer support, perhaps taking vows as a renunciate in a monastery, or leading the life of a guru. Higher Emotional Center allows you to channel unconditional love from the higher planes. Founts of this Centering like to take their devotees with them into a high state of divine ecstasy, to share the egoless love all around. Examples: the saints Ammachi, Jesus, Ramakrishna, St. Francis, Mother Mary, Muktananda, Maharishi and Paramahansa Yogananda. Higher Intellectual Center appeals to Zen Buddhists, Vedantists, quantum physicists and Western philosophers, all of whom like to sit and think. The goal is to reach a state of pure thought, which is no thought. Once that state is achieved the ego falls away, and pure telepathy is possible. Examples: the Vietnamese Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh, Lao Tsu, Zen Master Suzuki. Higher Moving Center: Here you dance your way to enlightenment with repetitious movements combined with mind-stilling mantras or chanting. Most ecstatic religions use this technique: Shaker, Sufi, Pentacostal, Hindu, Native American, Santeria, and tai chi, which release the ego from condensed daily reality and into divine ecstasy through the vehicle of physical release from contraction. Sexual climax brings in the Higher Moving Center as well, albeit for only a short time; rarely does it transform the soul for more than a few moments. Healers of the physical body, massage therapists, tantra practitioners and kundalini experts often channel this Centering. Examples of saints with this primary Centering: Buddha, John the Baptist, Sri Krishna and the Gopis. * * * * * Remember, the Role describes personality traits rather than vocations. For example, a King in this system isn't always the leader of a country, but may (like Madonna) choose the field of entertainment; or he may just be your neighbor's gardener. A Scholar isn't necessarily a Rhodes scholar or academician, but might be someone doing a lifetime task as a concert pianist or fashion model. Your local artist might be a Warrior like Picasso. Your Sage butcher might regale the waiting customers with operatic arias. It is helpful to remember in studying this system that it is just a shortcut, an abbreviated version of who we really are. Overleaves define only our temporary or false personalities, lifetime to lifetime. In truth we are infinite beings, beyond definition or labeling. - This article is an excerpt from the book Celebrities: The Complete Michael Database by Emily Baumbach, Causalworks 1996 www.causalworks.com

11-22-2009, 06:39 PM	#18
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings http://www.meremeeradarshancanada.com/gallery.php mother meera

11-22-2009, 09:19 PM	#19
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings This has inspired me exchanger, i have a question for you perhaps you can answer it perhaps you can not. I would like your concept on this question i am going to ask you. What would you say if i said this was my first incarnation here on Earth from what level of soul/souls would i associate with. This puzzles me a little because are there just the same levels on higher densities also? I would say yes but this is my conception on the matter i have not studied this and would love to know from those who have. I am from future worlds how would you define the soul level in this conception. I do get confused because not having any previous incarnations i have not had the experience so to say. I know my position in the future but i do not like to say for ridicule of some that may think i am being egotistical. This knowing has been with me since a little girl as so many here on avalon as yourself have known also so this issue of old soul/etc how do they stand on higher levels.

11-25-2009, 02:57 AM	#20
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings i got some interesting answers to that question jackie, will type it up; and post it tommorrow

11-25-2009, 03:06 AM	#21
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by dolphin hi exchanger, i read the michael teachings/books many years ago. the book even talks about soul age of nations. usa is considered to have the most young souls. switzeraland has the most old souls. makes sense. young souls are about materializing material "things", aquiring wealth, new technology etc. mature souls like the finer things like wines/the making of, gourmet foods... and old souls don't fuss too much, they tend to not be too ambitious w careers as they've gone through all that many previous lives. they tend to be ones taking care of gardens. it's amazing how even the kind of pets one has reflects your soul age! what's also interesting is that your parents can be younger in soul age than you (their offspring). so when there is a large gap between partners, this may reflect chronological age but not soul age. it's all very interesting to think about. they say though that one tends to hang out w their own soul group age. Switzerland sounds marvelous! Any other "old soul" countries or locales? I live in Toronto, Canada and I don't think it is "old soul", except perhaps for the "cottage country" crowd, lol.

11-25-2009, 03:09 AM	#22
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by Jacqui D This has inspired me exchanger, i have a question for you perhaps you can answer it perhaps you can not. I would like your concept on this question i am going to ask you. What would you say if i said this was my first incarnation here on Earth from what level of soul/souls would i associate with. This puzzles me a little because are there just the same levels on higher densities also? I would say yes but this is my conception on the matter i have not studied this and would love to know from those who have. I am from future worlds how would you define the soul level in this conception. I do get confused because not having any previous incarnations i have not had the experience so to say. I know my position in the future but i do not like to say for ridicule of some that may think i am being egotistical. This knowing has been with me since a little girl as so many here on avalon as yourself have known also so this issue of old soul/etc how do they stand on higher levels. Interesting, I am myself aware of me being here and also aware of a future self (humanoid but not human) occasionally intervening. I don't know what the "rules" are regarding contacts between Now self and Future self. best, gnosis

11-25-2009, 03:11 AM	#23
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings every chart i checked in my family/and extended family born in canada all of them, were old souls (WHICH surprised me)

11-25-2009, 03:33 AM	#24
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger http://www.meremeeradarshancanada.com/gallery.php mother meera It seems that the more enlightened one gets the simpler and more decent one becomes. What is her soul age? I am glad she validates all true paths of awakening.

11-25-2009, 03:33 AM	#25
TheObserver Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: back in Minnesota Posts: 500	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings I'm sorry but i am a little uncomfortable with soul rankings, it may lead to a caste system. Remember it's said that Jesus hung out with the so called low life drunks and prostitutes to relax after arguing all day with the self-righteous priests at the temple!

 

11-25-2009, 03:36 AM	#26
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings jesus was a 7th level old soul - til he ascended ironically; there are NO short cuts

11-25-2009, 03:37 AM	#27
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings and, also - no soul age/is better than any other soul age

11-25-2009, 03:38 AM	#28
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by TheObserver I'm sorry but i am a little uncomfortable with soul rankings, it may lead to a caste system. Remember it's said that Jesus hung out with the so called low life drunks and prostitutes to relax after arguing all day with the self-righteous priests at the temple! I concur, it can be a play for status and feed one's ego and personally I have to be cautious about that. In another sense, though it is a relief to "know thyself" instead of futilely trying to fit in with, say, a nation of young souls when one is an old soul. As an old soul I was constantly wondering how these young souls could do what they are doing and not have their consciences hurt like heck because I know mine would, lol.

11-25-2009, 03:39 AM	#29
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by TheObserver it's said that Jesus hung out with the so called low life drunks and prostitutes to relax after arguing all day with the self-righteous priests at the temple! it's said-is often proven, to be a lie or, the words of a parott / or repeater

11-25-2009, 03:40 AM	#30
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings a lot of 5th level old souls - commit suicide and, 6th level old souls - go insane

11-25-2009, 04:01 PM	#31
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Yes this old soul went insane and came back -- at least twice this lifetiime Part of my clearing work was seeing the mechanism I installed way back pre-history and how initially it served me. There is nothing bad about being able to causatively mock up insanity or depression, etc., just "bad" when one puts it on subconscious automaticity, in other words a neurotic or psychotic compulsion. Now I can be causatively insane and Hubby knows it and he better step to it and haul some water and chop some wood!!!! Reminds me of the Old Testament story of when David got into a situation where he realized that the only way to come out alive was to fall off his horse and start convulsing and frothing at the mouth. It turns out the people in that region thought someone who did that was "holy". Now can you see how being insanse might be a sane thing to do at times? The best thing, imho, that an Old Soul or perhaps any age soul, can do for themselves is Clearing work that unfixates them from their polarities, and from what I'm seeing we all have piles of automatic polarities that really restrict our freedom of choice and freedom of choice of expression and limit our goals. My hubby is an example of an Old Soul who has not done much Clearing work this lifetime and has piles of neurosis embedded in him so that he can hardly enjoy life. Me, a "Cleared" Old Soul just stands there watching him with emotions of incredible boredom, pity. Old Souls can die in their own psychic stink if they get lax on clearing themselves. On the bright side he is making plans to reach the initial "Clear" state once his new business is further established. The ironic thing is that Hubby is such a "magical" being and with so much suppressed ability that once he does hit the "All Clear" button he will most likely be a being of at least and most likely greater magnitude than myself. Then I will have to scurry to match him.

11-25-2009, 04:28 PM	#32
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Thank you Exchanger i will look on and await your speculation on this matter. I would like to add here i do not feel this is the case of identifying who is higher than who. We are all here or where ever, on planet or off, we all learn as exchanger says there is no skipping these densities, some have however but they do not learn. They will not sustain that level because they have jumped through and not learnt the lessons at hand. those who jump are mainly those who by ritual think they can and in deed feel they have the knowledge to do this, but then find themselves dis connected so to say because they can not resonate with the others on that level,the group consciousness. I look at it this way, the older the soul the more knowledge and experience can be given to those who are beginning. The story of Jesus dwelling among those some who feel lower than him just says exactly what i have explained and that is, it does not matter what soul level you are but the higher level teachings can give comfort and love to all. Jesus was a great teacher of this he regarded himself on the same level but he gave his knowledge and love to all.

11-25-2009, 04:49 PM	#33
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings I have reliable information that Mozart is living out this lifetime as a female and works part time as a clearing practitioner and seems to be quite happy The Bach being I knew personally and was a female this lifetime and recently passed on from a heart attack. I wonder what soul age Felix Mendelssohn was?

11-25-2009, 05:06 PM	#34
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings That's interesting Gnosis! Quote: Originally Posted by Gnosis5 I have reliable information that Mozart is living out this lifetime as a female and works part time as a clearing practitioner and seems to be quite happy The Bach being I knew personally and was a female this lifetime and recently passed on from a heart attack. I wonder what soul age Felix Mendelssohn was?

11-25-2009, 05:37 PM	#35
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Hi, Jacqui, You bring up something I have been observing too and I probably put it in different words. It's about "jumping through...by ritual". In the circles I have associated with in the past I kept seeing this type of being. Right now I call them polarized gods (with a small "g"). I learned that there are rituals wherein you, me, other beings can choose to beef up the "positive" sides of their polarities (I guess it can also be called a fixed duality). In our off-planet history and early in this planet history there were the "God Makers" and they were a bit sly and controlling in that they did not truly "Clear" the being to his full and natural attainment of his abilities, but instead they would get him to locate a fixed polarity and then clear only one side. Polarized gods are a sight to see and it's like living with a bull in a china shop. My dad was one of them and the shelf life of this type of ability...well it's pitiful to see a big being like this in the last stages of his decayed orbit. And no god-makers around to "repair" him. Funny, too, these beings seem to have to hit ground really hard before they will get sensible and achieve the buddha-like state of Clear before they start beefing up their native powers. In my case, I recall many eons ago going to a school where they taught us to fly around in our bodies. Wonderful!!! [sarcasm here] If they had just gotten us to bloody clear ourselves we probably wouldn't have had to go to any school to start lifting off the ground when we walked AND -- and that's a big AND -- we would be closer to knowing ourselves as true gods -- all knowing, all loving, all powerful, fully integrated potential. Oh, but we couldn't be bothered with that!! [sarcasm]. gnosis Quote: Originally Posted by Jacqui D Thank you Exchanger i will look on and await your speculation on this matter. I would like to add here i do not feel this is the case of identifying who is higher than who. We are all here or where ever, on planet or off, we all learn as exchanger says there is no skipping these densities, some have however but they do not learn. They will not sustain that level because they have jumped through and not learnt the lessons at hand. those who jump are mainly those who by ritual think they can and in deed feel they have the knowledge to do this, but then find themselves dis connected so to say because they can not resonate with the others on that level,the group consciousness. I look at it this way, the older the soul the more knowledge and experience can be given to those who are beginning. The story of Jesus dwelling among those some who feel lower than him just says exactly what i have explained and that is, it does not matter what soul level you are but the higher level teachings can give comfort and love to all. Jesus was a great teacher of this he regarded himself on the same level but he gave his knowledge and love to all.

11-25-2009, 08:12 PM	#36
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Yes i agree here Gnosis. As you so rightly stated these ones who do injustice to themselves can not sustain these levels. There are many creator gods but of course we know the ONE CREATOR of all is the all knowing all doing one that we should rightly connect to. However some do get lured by these higher masters they follow and take their words as the all powerful one, how sad that these people choose to follow this way, blinded by magic/ power i feel sad for these people but they choose not of ignorance but of knowing this is their path. Quote: Originally Posted by Gnosis5 Hi, Jacqui, You bring up something I have been observing too and I probably put it in different words. It's about "jumping through...by ritual". In the circles I have associated with in the past I kept seeing this type of being. Right now I call them polarized gods (with a small "g"). I learned that there are rituals wherein you, me, other beings can choose to beef up the "positive" sides of their polarities (I guess it can also be called a fixed duality). In our off-planet history and early in this planet history there were the "God Makers" and they were a bit sly and controlling in that they did not truly "Clear" the being to his full and natural attainment of his abilities, but instead they would get him to locate a fixed polarity and then clear only one side. Polarized gods are a sight to see and it's like living with a bull in a china shop. My dad was one of them and the shelf life of this type of ability...well it's pitiful to see a big being like this in the last stages of his decayed orbit. And no god-makers around to "repair" him. Funny, too, these beings seem to have to hit ground really hard before they will get sensible and achieve the buddha-like state of Clear before they start beefing up their native powers. In my case, I recall many eons ago going to a school where they taught us to fly around in our bodies. Wonderful!!! [sarcasm here] If they had just gotten us to bloody clear ourselves we probably wouldn't have had to go to any school to start lifting off the ground when we walked AND -- and that's a big AND -- we would be closer to knowing ourselves as true gods -- all knowing, all loving, all powerful, fully integrated potential. Oh, but we couldn't be bothered with that!![sarcasm]. gnosis

11-25-2009, 08:32 PM	#37
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings How would you feel if you one day discover that you are that "One Creator" God. Well, that will be a joke on you won't it It will be a joke on all of us as far as I can see. Tag, you're it worshipful, gnosis

11-25-2009, 10:06 PM	#38
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings i can sure relate - to big powerful dad i remember at 19; seeing him cry, at his dad's funeral as, an old soul, i was mortified/and, shocked i could NOT relate at all, to this powerful being my untopable dad, breaking down - i thought he could handle anything~ i remember that day, how it really tried my belief systems and, shattered to pieces, the strength, i thought he had ~ although, as, you grow-up you realise - just how dangerous a lot of our 'stiff upper lip' upbringing - really is and, the amount of 'heart based' work you have to do as, i thought, i did it all-and, then on 10/25/2007 my friend rebecca j, had to etherically rescue me in the ethers, as, i sat ascended between the worlds, with 'no' heart juices and, without the heart part, done correctly it was quite a learning lesson ~ you don't want to end up there esp; if you got stuck alone i was forunate, as, a simple telepath brought her, to my side however, your comment - of when they enter into the 6th internal monad - on the way to their 7th internal monad-passing out of this lifetime for their next you realise very fast -- you are NOT just your 'physical body' how sad it was, to feel, his loss of physical power and, how sad it is, to know, that the trine/or trinity is in total control and, it is NOT about sending healing, at all- to 3D bodies, only in fact, healing ritual, can be really harmful, if you break, certain protocols it's got to be highest parts of you, to highest parts of them on a side NOTE (this audit by the government - is trying my dragon of impatience LOL) fortunately - it balances LOL and, it is honest (i do NOT need any 'bad' karma) hopefully; i shall finish this - later tonight (after making them 100's of copies) geez--NOT, fun, at all !!! (what a waste of 'real' time

12-06-2009, 10:20 PM	#39
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings What are the "Michael Teachings"? Be kind to each other, for these teachings mean nothing without agape. . . . Michael agape = love The name "Michael" is simply one way to name a system of personality understanding (or "teaching"). It has no real significance other than to make it known in some definitive way. This teaching is not a belief system and is not meant to be taken at face value. It does not require belief to be valid. It does ask that you validate it for yourself. You decide what parts you can use and what parts you cannot. With the knowledge of this system, you can choose whether to operate from the positive parts of your personality - or from the negative parts of your personality. When you come from the positive parts, you are acting out of true personality. That is how your essence (or your inner being) can grow and express itself. When you come from the negative parts, you are acting out of false personality. This is deception, and results in more struggle and strife to accomplish your purpose. Before you can accept others, you must learn to accept yourself. It is a universal law that you can only love others to the degree that you are able to love yourself. So, in this teaching, you begin by studying yourself. Through this process, you develop a greater understanding of yourself - and of the challenges and agreements you have set out to fulfill in this lifetime. Through this process, you can develop a greater tolerance toward yourself and attain the balance that allows you to act as appropriately as possible and to actualize your fullest potential. The written word becomes carved in stone. Please do not "believe" what we have written here, but check it out for yourself. And once you have mastered it, let it go (adapted from The Michael Handbook and Michael: The Basic Teachings) Evolution of the Michael Teachings Many modern schools of philosophy and psychology represent facets of this system. Readers of Abraham Maslow, Carl Jung, Eric Erikson and Sigmund Freud will find a ring of familiarity (particularly in the use of archetypes). Elements of this system were taught by George Gurdjieff, P.D. (Peter) Ouspensky and Rodney Collin. Many of the underlying tenets resonate with Eastern philosophy, especially Sufism.

12-07-2009, 08:51 PM	#40
lindabaker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 504	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Way back in this thread eXchanger asked if anyone was familiar with the Michael teachings. Well, yes, I am. I read the first popular book. I am excited to see the link and all of the information posted. Merci. LB

12-08-2009, 12:47 AM	#41
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings a lot of people have found themselves, thru utilising these teachings love/susan the eXchanger

12-14-2009, 07:15 AM	#42
ubiquitousquintessence Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Here Posts: 36	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings 5th level old Scholar Cast Sage Some question for those who are more knowledgeable than myself on this subject... (since I'm a Michael newbie ) According to Michael, is it possible to manifest a soul age which is "higher" than ones actual soul age? If it is possible to manifest a "higher" soul age, would the ability to do so increase the pace with which one advances through the various stages? Would any of this be affected by one performing spiritual practices (eg. meditation)? Or do these tools not affect the pace of advancement? Also, eXchanger, I'm curious about what my "numbers" are. I checked out the link you provided, but wasn't able to figure it all out... Any suggestions? Thanks!

12-14-2009, 08:05 AM	#43
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings We are here, with you tonight ... it is true, and, it is a truth that one can manifest a soul level, less than, the actual soul age of a fragment ie; a fragment of an old soul age, can choose, to manifest a younger age, than, the one, a fragment choose to eXperience, within this life cycle... there are many old souls, within this world, who choose to operate at mature level this allows them to eXcute levels of mastery they have already learned, however, it does NOT allow them to eXcute the lessons currently presented to them, that, they came to learn, but, have NOT chosen to learn it is why some of them, run over the same road, over,and, over again similiar, to the insane one, who does, the same thing, over and over again, expecting a different result the collective consciousness of earth -currently operates at that of a mature level although, there are pockets upon the earth, where there are larger concentrations of old souls, vs. mature, young, or baby souls also, it is true, and, it is a truth that a fragment can tap into sources outside of itself / and, its framework by utilising an assortment of other fragments or cycled off, entity groups, such as this one or, through higher self / essence / or monad contact with an, et aka essence twin, an, tc aka task companion(s), or, even a TravC aka travel companion(s), which would be another fragment who shares the same placement, in your cadre, but, is within, another one of the six entity groups of the seven, that make up, a complete cadre and, if you/the fragment step to the side, to allow, the eXchange, and, the sharing, of another, to come through your vessel, if they are, of a greater soul age, than you are at, then, yes, their energetic eXchange, while the channelling of them, through you, would certainly hold the potential to raise your level of eXpression, while you are entertaining them/and, eXpressing them, through your vessel, as, you will temporarily manifest a soul level that, is higher than, the one, you are actually at when you are entertaining/or eXpressing them as a channel, however-when you cut the communication link to them, from your fragment, and, to them, as, they depart, your vessel, you will return, back to your level prior to forging that connection, and, holding that connection (like this channel, back she goes to 6th level old) Be a piece of peace... We go in peace The Michaels through Susan/The eXchanger

12-14-2009, 08:34 AM	#44
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by Gnosis5 I see that Bach was a second level old soul. Gnosis yes, he was second level old Artisan cast Scholar, who performed clicked into his higher eXpression commonly referred to, as essence along with many discarnate task companions, the type of music, he made, was NOT made alone, an idealist with the goal of growth, in the mode of passion, intellectual/emotional centre (opposite of your makeup-gnosis5, as you are emotional/intellectual centre) his chief dragon of arrogance always in check Cadre 1, Entity 3 so, gnosis5, he was a fragement, a part of your immediate, cadre, and, entity group 1-3 The fragments from that cadre/entity are reality shifters...on earth lots of artisans and lots of scholars The Michaels/Susan For more information: (the list below, was taken from: www.michaelteachings.com) "The j.s. bach entity'"~"The Reality Shifters" scholars and artisans quite a few famous ones too: (see the list) Bella Abzug, Johann Sebastian Bach, David Bowie, Barbara Brennan, David Byrne, Rodney Collin-Smith, Alan Cumming, Gina Davis, Roger Ebert, Albert Einstein, Ben Franklin, Bill Gates, Whoopi Goldberg, Jeff Goldblum, Tom Hanks, Pee Wee Herman, Gregory Hines, Diane Keaton, John Lennon, David Lynch, Muktananda, Maxfield Parrish, Kenny Rogers, Vincent Van Gogh, Mario Van Peebles, Debra Winger, Stevie Wonder, William Wordsworth. Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-14-2009 at 07:14 PM.

12-14-2009, 01:41 PM	#45
lindabaker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 504	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Hey, eXie: Today's my birthday. thanks for the information you gave me a while back (indigo elder) as my description really fits me. Please post the links again (lots of text to sort through on this thread) so that we may figure out the soul levels, etc., plus the numbers that you list as descriptive to each person. Now that I'm 56 in earth years, my 55 doesn't seem to suit me as a tag I've been using... My guess is I'm a 4th level mature soul for now...Verification would be fun...These young souls in the US are really difficult to relate to...I felt more peaceful in Italy and in the Yucatan. Any thoughts? ThankX

12-14-2009, 07:06 PM	#46
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings happy birthday !!! interesting info here ... "There is much truth in the cliche that the gods of the past religion becomes the devil of the new." CHECK out Troy's most recent channelling http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...d=1#post199582 maybe, a moderator, should join these two threads, and, perhaps, both Troy & Sal will join us there !!!

12-14-2009, 07:25 PM	#47
ubiquitousquintessence Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Here Posts: 36	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Cadre 1 Entity 3 here. So, I want to make sure I stated my essence and casting correctly... If I have Sage essence and Scholar casting, do I say it as Scholar cast Sage, or the other way around? Thank You! for the message, eXchanger. It gives me something to think about, since there was a 1 month stretch in which I manifested an age far beyond what I am accustomed to manifesting. If that is my true soul age, then I need to reassess myself......maybe need to let go of trying to fit in, as I did during that month...

12-14-2009, 08:18 PM	#48
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings WE ARE HERE... be who , it is, that you are and, do that elqouently we are a SAGE in role and, we are a KING in essence therefore, we are a KING CAST SAGE or, KING CASTED SAGE both are correct Casting is what you return to, as, you leave your 'earthly' body, or, when you step up, into part/or full essence contact, with your higher/and, highest eXpressions of your essence Be a piece of peace We go in peace The Michaels, through Susan, The eXchanger (much more, on the other thread - of earth changes)

12-14-2009, 08:32 PM	#49
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings At what time did we become infinite? Isn't time arbitrary? Aren't we "out" of time? Is it time yet to be eternal? Am I an elder in a time free zone? Am I a middle aged souled spirit in eternal infiniteness? (I think I've know orthodoxymoron too long)... chuckles carry on

12-14-2009, 09:13 PM

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THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915

Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by ubiquitousquintessence Cadre 1 Entity 3 here. we are a part of the greater cadre 1, but, entity 7 so, we are both, a part of the greater energy ring we know, quite a few of your immediate soul family many of them post on troy's site at www.truthloveenergy.ning.com and/or, on the yahoo group off www.michaelteachings.com love/susan the eXchanger

 

12-14-2009, 09:28 PM	#51
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings This is compliments of Geraldine, who put it together, and, compiled it for Troy at www.truthloveenergy.ning.com (it's a closed site) unless you join as a member this is interesting The Cadres are arranged to create a Support Group of 12. Each of the Cadres has a particular position to play in the interactions with other Cadres within the Energy Ring. The general description of energies below is not literal, but more about the overall themes, motivations, and contributions that each Cadre contributes to the Energy Ring. Cadre 1 = Love (initiators, inspirers, pioneers) Cadre 2 = Knowledge (questioners, insight givers, facilitators) Cadre 3 = Compassion (nurturers, integrators, peacemakers) Cadre 4 = Mentor (guides, counselors, role models) Cadre 5 = Beauty (artists, highlights the best of things) Cadre 6 = Child (innocent, distracting, requires care) Cadre 7 = Humor (funny, brings laughter, pleasure givers) Cadre 8 = Discipline (responsible, focused, decision clarifiers) Cadre 9 = Anchor (security, acceptance, grounding) Cadre 10 = Healer (bringing balance, healing) Cadre 11 = Enlightenment (teachers, ‘light’ bringers, providing structures for perceiving reality) Cadre 12 = Muse (highest values, abstract concepts, bringers of aspiration) Within each Cadre there are 7 Entities. Each Entity has a general flavor or theme based on two factors: One factor is based on its Number Position within the Cadre, and Another factor is based on the impact of the Roles and general themes of interest shared. The Number Position in the Cadre is described in terms of Positive Pole and Negative Pole. If you look closely, these Poles describe degrees of solidity vs. fragmentation. For instance, Entity Number Two has +Stability and -Balance. Picture a solid surface where both of your feet are planted firmly as the positive pole suggests. This is Stability. Now imagine placing that solid surface (like a board) on something like a cylinder or ball, creating a teetering effect that you must now strive to Balance, like the negative pole describes. Every Positive and Negative Pole in the Michael Teachings only refers to a version of “oneness” Vs “separation”. They are not good or bad. Entity One: +Purpose -Simplicity Entity Two: +Stability -Balance Entity Three: +Enterprising -Versatility Entity Four: +Consolidation -Achievement Entity Five: +Expansion -Adventure Entity Six: +Harmony -Connection Entity Seven: +Inculcation -Eclecticism This set of energies is the same for all sets of Entities in any Cadre. www.truthloveenergy.ning.com for more information

12-15-2009, 03:25 AM	#52
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger yes, he was second level old Artisan cast Scholar, who performed clicked into his higher eXpression commonly referred to, as essence along with many discarnate task companions, the type of music, he made, was NOT made alone, an idealist with the goal of growth, in the mode of passion, intellectual/emotional centre (opposite of your makeup-gnosis5, as you are emotional/intellectual centre) his chief dragon of arrogance always in check Cadre 1, Entity 3 so, gnosis5, he was a fragement, a part of your immediate, cadre, and, entity group 1-3 The fragments from that cadre/entity are reality shifters...on earth lots of artisans and lots of scholars The Michaels/Susan For more information: (the list below, was taken from: www.michaelteachings.com) "The j.s. bach entity'"~"The Reality Shifters" scholars and artisans quite a few famous ones too: (see the list) Bella Abzug, Johann Sebastian Bach, David Bowie, Barbara Brennan, David Byrne, Rodney Collin-Smith, Alan Cumming, Gina Davis, Roger Ebert, Albert Einstein, Ben Franklin, Bill Gates, Whoopi Goldberg, Jeff Goldblum, Tom Hanks, Pee Wee Herman, Gregory Hines, Diane Keaton, John Lennon, David Lynch, Muktananda, Maxfield Parrish, Kenny Rogers, Vincent Van Gogh, Mario Van Peebles, Debra Winger, Stevie Wonder, William Wordsworth. eXchanger, the data you gave about Bach fits with what I saw in one of my clearing sessions: I created before time and matter my "perfect child" and he was the prototype of Bach and a "chip" off the old Gnosis block I did invest a part of myself into creating him as an identity and so I am not surprised at the data, just wanted to confirm what I already saw. He later went on to become Felix Mendelssohn, or at least enough of Bach was in Felix for me to spend a lifetime in support of this being also. love, gnosis

12-15-2009, 03:26 AM	#53
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by TheObserver I'm sorry but i am a little uncomfortable with soul rankings, it may lead to a caste system. Remember it's said that Jesus hung out with the so called low life drunks and prostitutes to relax after arguing all day with the self-righteous priests at the temple! agree just another way to judge your fellow man

12-15-2009, 03:47 AM	#54
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger jesus was a 7th level old soul - til he ascended ironically; there are NO short cuts When it is said he ascended, did he ascend from the Messianic Plane to the Buddhic Plane? Gnosis

12-15-2009, 03:52 AM	#55
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger What are the "Michael Teachings"? Be kind to each other, for these teachings mean nothing without agape . . . . Michael AGAPE = LOVE http://www.itstime.com/michael.htm Today, after a particularly unusual session I started to take a look at and feel what it is like to love without attachment or desire. It was a new freedom. I can't say it is stable, but at least a peek of what's ahead. Gnosis

12-15-2009, 04:02 AM	#56
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger a lot of 5th level old souls - commit suicide and, 6th level old souls - go insane Which would seem to imply that they, like older generation, get burned out and degrade through each preceding cycle. I know I did, and boy am I backpedalling as fast as I can while I have this good time to do so. I found the best clearing practitioner I could on the planet and I'm not making another commitment until I know I'm rehabilitated from my obvious spiritual burnout. Getting dropped on Planet Earth is a suicide mission, didn't ya know. What doesn't make one crazy will make one better -- I think that's what they told us. love and laughter, gnosis

12-15-2009, 04:13 AM	#57
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by arcora agree just another way to judge your fellow man Yup, agreed, if one chooses to use it that way. It is simply a tool, like a gun, and can be used according to who is using it. Perhaps, in good healing hands it can be used as part of a bridge. Also, remember Michael is operating from: Causal plane: The third plane of creation. Its medium is concrete intellectual energy. It is Michael's plane of existence. When one works towards and attains a subjective reality of their infinite existence then all constructs can be created and uncreated, and there is an infinite possiblity of games within games. The trick has been how to not fall or collapse into one's game and be the effect of their own game and forgetting their prior existence. (I'm working my way out of that dilemma right now). Do you think Jesus or Buddha are controlled by this construct or use this construct to control or judge any man? I don't think so. It's Michael's bag. Michael will also ascend and leave all this behind. best, Gnosis

12-15-2009, 04:16 AM	#58
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings i think, i posted a bunch of stuff to the other thread, that, likely should have gone here

12-15-2009, 04:18 AM	#59
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings TROY; AND; all you might find this interesting from Spirit Web: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:40:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote: I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul make his/her debut? John Macchietto In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite Souls on the planet. One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia. I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.) In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify? I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul. People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web site interesting. Hope this helps! Take care all, Janet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:40:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote: I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul make his/her debut? John Macchietto In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite Souls on the planet. One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia. I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.) In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify? I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul. People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web site interesting. Hope this helps! Take care all, Janet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:05:35 EST Subject: 4 pillars/Introduction Hello! Here's another introduction, if it actually posts to the board. I've been trying to get in for quite a while and spiritweb seems equally determined to keep yet another sage out! I am also a Texan Sage, 5th old, Scholar ET, power, growth, realist, int center/moving part, CF arrogance. In light of my particular overleaves I have a general question for you all in reference to Dick's comment of: <<< The purpose of the life task is to use the focused energy of the essence in the framework of capabilities provided by the Overleaves. In a very real sense, the Overleaves are chosen to permit the fragment to complete the life task, should the fragment choose to do so. >>> Michael tells me that "a large portion of [my] life task has to do with dissemination of [my] own perspective gained through experience...." I was struck somewhat by a seeming incongruity between my task and a goal of growth with a mode of power. On the surface I would have thought that Discrimination and Observation would seem to jive better with my task. For that matter, Growth and Power seem to be a tough assignment, in general, at 5th level old.... What do you guys think that the indications/ramifications are here??? Thanks for the help!! Kathy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:30:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul Thank you Janet. I went to the Mother Meera page. There's still a lot to digest there. I had never heard of her before. I have a friend who's an old 7th level priest who lives in San Antonio who went to a Jose Stephens seminar about a year ago. She told me that Stephens channelled that the Infinate Soul was considering 3 or 4 host bodies at the time and one lived in Mississippi. Talk about Mississippi burning. John Macchietto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:31:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Initiation Song So Dave, Did you do a bout during the Spanish Inquisition too, Tokamata? Personally, I don't know if all the sagey comments between us would be too much for the group, but you never did tell me if I passed my initiation. Did you write those first two verses yourself or were they written by other Michael Teaching inductees? I incessantly wait for your response. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:50:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Infinite Soul Our panel of channels at the AMT conference and others in private sessions have said that the Infinite Soul is coming through many people as increased energy and awareness, rather than as a single person who will change the world. This coincides with moving from a hierarchal young soul structure (one person as the only leader) to a group-oriented mature soul structure (many are leaders). -- Barbara Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:33:47 EST Subject: Re: Growth and power for the life task Kathy wrote: > Michael tells me that "a large portion of [my] life task has to do with > dissemination of [my] own perspective gained through experience...." I was > struck somewhat by a seeming incongruity between my task and a goal of growth > with a mode of power. On the surface I would have thought that Discrimination > and Observation would seem to jive better with my task. For that matter, > Growth and Power seem to be a tough assignment, in general, at 5th level > old.... What do you guys think that the indications/ramifications are here??? Growth and power seem perfect to me for that task: growth keeps you seeking new experiences, and power amplifies your voice, so to speak, causing people to really listen. All the best, Shepherd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:12:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul (1997-50/349) | From: Janet Botto | | On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote: | | > I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other | > metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born | > (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael | > context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the | > Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach | > from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul | > make his/her debut? | > | > John Macchietto This is from my notes of a group channel session in June 1996 - Quite a bit of discussion followed, and the topic evolved into info about the Infinite soul and Transcendental souls. Michael elaborated a bit on what they've previously said about the Infinite soul WRT manifestations during our current planetary shift. Yes, there will be multiple manifestations, with at least one woman. The incarnations will be widely dispersed; Michael gave examples of one for each major religion, with one for those with no religion. There are no Infinite souls incarnate at this time (confirms prior information). The decisions of through whom they will incarnate have not been finalized. It's a bit like mate agreements - there are many prospects, to allow for the inevitable unexpected occurrences brought about by free choice. Someone asked about Transcendental souls... Discussing both when one is mentioned occurs frequently, I suspect because of some people's confusion about them. During the discussion several people asked about specific names - if they were Transcendental souls. Answer - some were, some weren't. Those who were had names I am unfamiliar with. Michael spoke of one person who has a Transcendental soul present for about 30% of the time. Many women were Infinite souls in prior times. There were female- dominated societies prior to the male-dominated ones. The records have been lost, either because the societies were so early or because the following male-dominated ones chose to lose the records (if it was said which, I don't recall). In agreement with that, from _Journey_ - "An infinite soul will likely incarnate again within the next forty or fifty years through more than one individual, most likely three, one or more of them female. This will reveal and bring to bear different aspects of the infinite soul. However, nothing has been definitely decided yet. In fact, nothing in the universe is certain until it happens." /353 My copy of _Journey_ is from the first printing, so is a couple of years old. Prior to that session I had received the following unsolicited information from a correspondent - The Lord Maitreya, The World Teacher Maitreya as He appeared in Nairobi, Kenya, June 11, 1988 Who is Maitreya? He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know Him as the Christ, and expect His imminent return. Jews await Him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect Him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. So at the session I asked if Maitreya is a Transcendental soul. Again from my notes - Michael's answer - "Not yet." Note that this is for a Transcendental soul not the Infinite soul. So we're talking the equivalent of Gandhi, not Christ, and the expectations above are a little off base. Not only that, but a Transcendental soul has not manifested in Maitreya yet, so by definition might not. | In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite | Souls on the planet. Do you recall the date of that session? One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia. I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.) I have a problem with this information for two reasons. First, the Infinite soul manifests so much energy that a human body cannot withstand it for long periods of time. Again from _Journey_ - Because infinite soul energy, especially, is so intense, the human body cannot handle it for very long. For example, the actual incarnation of the infinite soul through Jesus occurred only thirty days before he completed his work. Before that, he was a seventh-level old king. /352 And don't forget the purpose of the Infinite soul's manifesting - An infinite soul incarnates in order to catalyze massive spiritual change in a civilization, generally during a shift from one average soul age to another. /352 Not likely for a young boy. The other reason is - the Infinite soul does not replace a Transcendental soul. The normal progression is for one or more Transcendental souls to precede manifestation(s) of the Infinite soul, but not in the same bodies. Recall that Transcendental souls walk in to bodies occupied by 6th or 7th level Old Priests while the Infinite soul replaces 7th level Old Kings. | In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I | believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a | Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify? | | I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite | Soul. I seriously doubt that if the Infinite soul had manifested, the knowledge would not have become widely known quickly. Again from _Journey_ - "You will probably be able to recognize the infinite soul without much problem." /353 People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit | darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I | look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web | site interestin. I looked it up and found - The Divine Mother has always been worshipped as the sustaining soul and force of the universe. Although some of the faces that she wears are well known -- Kali, the Virgin Mary, Isis, for example -- many of her embodied forms have chosen to work quietly in the world. In turbulent times such as these, several incarnations of the Divine Mother move among us, each with her particular task of healing or protection or transformation. One of the most widely revered and loved of these Avatars of the Divine Mother is Mother Meera, a young Indian woman who was born on December 26, 1960, in the village of Chandepalle in southern India. I have seen nothing in any of the Michael books that references the "Divine Mother". So as far as I am concerned the title has no meaning. Maybe she is a Transcendental soul or is manifesting Transcendental energy. More from _Journey_ - "There are many people these days who are tapping in to higher energies, but the truly great rarely make claims. They allow their presence to make those claims for them." /356 And - "There is one person now living who is a possible vehicle for this incarnation [Infinite soul], or so we hear. However, there will probably be as many as a hundred candidates 'lined up' so that the Tao can see who is the most apropos when the time comes. It is like your making several mate agreements before your lifetime. You generally do not expect to mate with all of them. You line them up as possibilities. When it comes time to mate, you decide based on how things are then." /353 Regards,---------------------------------------------------- Dick Hein / Mountain View, California. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:14:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Infinite Soul (1997-50/355) | From: Barbara Taylor | Our panel of channels at the AMT conference and others in private | sessions have said that the Infinite Soul is coming through many people | as increased energy and awareness, rather than as a single person who | will change the world. This coincides with moving from a hierarchal | young soul structure (one person as the only leader) to a group-oriented | mature soul structure (many are leaders). Yes but we are not there yet. There are many Young souls (and young souls) who will need strong leadership to change their views. According to my information, which is less than two years old (see other thread), there will be several manifestations of the Infinite soul during this planetary shift. While there may have been changes in plans during this time, I doubt that it would be to the degree that there will be no full manifestations. Regards, Dick Hein / Mountain View, California. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:47:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: re infinite souls All that Dick has posted about ifinite souls echoes what I have been hearing, mostly from Jose, for years. Other info that I have heard is that the infinite soul energy is transmitted to the planet as a whole at the time it is being manifested by someone (such as Jesus). So, what I've heard, is that while the Jesus-type person is carrying the infinite soul energy, the support people around him or her are also channeling the energy, albeit to a lesser degree. If I am understanding this correctly, the energy will available to us all at that time. What an opportunity! Questions come up. how will children handle the energy? Will they be even more open to it than adults, even those who are practiced at being open? How will the world handle several infinite channels? Will they be treated like Jesus? Will they tone down their messages to avoid conflict.? Will the impetus they bring for change create more violence on the planet as some resist change? One of the great failings of Christanity has been to focus on Jesus the man instead of his message. Will several channels appearing at once deflect the focus from their personalities? Will they be from one plane -messianic, buddhaic ... or more than one (if that is how it works. How will they use mass media? A less serious thought: If the old testament was set during baby soul times and the new testament during the beginning of the young soul age, will we have to stick a newer testament on the Bible for the mature soul age? (Yes It will called General Hospital) Jose had a beautifully poetic description of how the infinite soul energy comes to the planet. He said it was like a boat of ice melting into the waters of our energy here. ---John Clark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:52:25 EST s 3. When addressing a Michael student whose soul age places them at a heirachical advantage, always preface your comments to them with, "oh, greater one of higher status..." and etc... 4. When posting to the list, the rule of thumb should always be that "it's better to be glib than perceive." In addition, short, pithy statements like, "I agree," "tripindicular," or "in a pig's eye you *******!," are ALWAYS encouraged. Digest No. 1997-12-19 of Michael Teachings List INFINITE SOULS If the Infinite Soul is "living" among us in a recent incarnation, does this mean that physically he/she is still a child? Thus that person's impact would not manifest itself for, say, a decade? I am very new to replying to this list, I finally feel as if I can ask a question. Thanks! Rona -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:30:36 EST Subject: Infinite souls "Whereas other prophets spoke through words, through prophecies, through admonitions, through knowledge, through great deeds, Jesus spoke through the human experience. He knew it was not in the thunder or lightning, not in the loudness of words or the magnitude of deeds, but in the little things -- the kind word, the gentle touch -- that brought God into the hearts and minds of men and women. Instead of seeking to illustrate metaphysical truths, or demonstrate healing ability, or explain the laws of God and life, or gain followers, Jesus was motivated first and foremost, by compassion. Above all, Jesus taught, and demonstrated, love." I don't know whose quote this is, but a couple things struck me in regard to Mother Meera who I have met and am longing to see again. She is an Indian woman who even in childhood set herself apart for the spiritual experiences and energies which happened to her. Coincidence has her living in a small baby soul populated German village a couple hours from Frankfort. She says simply she is here to bring a particular new form of energy on to the planet, And she give darshan by touching your head to pull tangled stuff and then looking into your eyes to a wide variety of people 4 evenings a week from her house which has gradually expanded to hold more people. Four connected villages now make lots of their income of visitors to see her. She lives modestly, cleans, shops, visits the dentist and works on construction projects on the house. She turns down magazine interviews (Time, Newsweek and others) and focuses on her work, bringing in this light. She doesn't talk much, her book Answers is mostly typical Hindu ways of looking at world, but I think the words aren't the point with her. Its holding the space for this new energy to come thru. Meeting her, I expected to feel the huge light of a Sai Baba, the huge love of Ama Chi, a huge expanded transcendental aura, but to my amazement, found her to like a black hole--something I have never given thought to but suddenly it was the only apt description of her energy for me. She is a small, solid woman with the solidity being so strong the the black hole idea comes up for me, the whole universe easily and densely packed into one tiny body. No bright lights, no flamboyance at least at darshans, just precision, focus in working with each one of us, one at a time. I can't think of her and not see infinite. Emily B. channels her as transcendental bringing in infinite energies. I can't imagine that infinite souls may only step into 7th level kings as correct channeling; reminds me of channeling saying everybody but priests can channel Michael. Is the universe so limited? I know Jose does not believe she is infinite. Does not really matter for ultimately maybe we will know, maybe she stays really quiet forever, maybe we won't know. Maybe flashier souls come in with miracles everyplace and grab our attention. And maybe they are and maybe they aren't/ Seems like there is some glamour thing expected here, maybe some maya, some illusion, around that? And of course we are curious. I do believe fully amped-infinite energy ruins bodies by burn-up quickly but also I believe that there are many ways to hold the energy to regulate it to protect the body. I can't feel Mother Meera and get anything but infinite, but like all channeling one must verify, validate by interior resonance yourself. I suppose the channeling about infinite souls in Siberia and Mississippi is about young bodies preparing for the entrance of infinite energies, and right maybe it happens and maybe it doesn't. In fact, the one I feel in Siberia seems like King/Artisan energy now Hope this adds. Joya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:46:21 -0600 Subject: Epicurus I was just rereading "Messages" and read a passage regarding the Philosopher Epicurus. Two years ago I was given a new psychological test to determine my personality type and was told I was an "Epicurean". Does anyone know if Michael has ever made mention of the Essence of Epicurus. I am just curious to see if I am the same Essence as he was. Thanks. Jeanne Holley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:49:44 -0800 Subject: Re: re infinite souls (1997-50/359) | From: John Clark | | All that Dick has posted about ifinite souls echoes what I have been | hearing, mostly from Jose, for years. Other info that I have heard is | that the infinite soul energy is transmitted to the planet as a whole at | the time it is being manifested by someone (such as Jesus). So, what | I've heard, is that while the Jesus-type person is carrying the infinite | soul energy, the support people around him or her are also channeling | the energy, albeit to a lesser degree. If I am understanding this | correctly, the energy will available to us all at that time. What an | opportunity! Indeed. From _More Messages_ - The experience of the manifestation of the transcendental soul on the physical plane does much to make astral fragments more accessible to those on the physical plane. The experience of the manifestation of the infinite soul on the physical plane brings more mid-causal teachers--reunited entities such as we are--to seeking students on the physical plane. While those on the physical plane are not yet into the sixth or seventh cycles, which are experienced on the astral and causal planes, validation of these cycles is possible for even very young souls during manifestations of the transcendental and infinite souls. /202 | Questions come up. how will children handle the energy? Will they be | even more open to it than adults, even those who are practiced at being | open? Likely, IMO. | How will the world handle several infinite channels? Will they be | treated like Jesus? Probably by some. | Will they tone down their messages to avoid conflict.? I should hope not. If conflict is to be a part of the transition, so be it. | Will the impetus they bring for change create more violence on the | planet as some resist change? Very possibly among early cycle individuals. | One of the great failings of Christanity has been to focus on Jesus the | man instead of his message. Much of that occurred after the fact, promulgated by others. From _Messages_ - The essential teaching of Christianity had its roots, of course, in a manifestation of the infinite soul, but like most bureaucracies it was perpetuated by young priests in the passion mode, at their most zealous, who were willing to interject their own biases into the material. Today's Christianity bears little resemblance to the teachings of the man Jesus or to the Logos brought to bear by the infinite soul. ... The old king who was the man Jesus relinquished his physical body to the infinite soul only during the last thirty days of his life. Prior to that, the teaching was that of a seventh-level old king, transcendent, an enlightened being. ... Much of the chronology of the events in this man's life is confused, distorted, and in some instances, wholly fictionalized. /183 | Will several channels appearing at once deflect the focus from their | personalities? That will probably depend a lot on circumstances. E.g., how well-known is it that there are multiple manifestations? If that is known, are the others' personalities known? Etc. | Will they be from one plane -messianic, buddhaic ... or more than one | (if that is how it works. Good question - I didn't think to ask when I had the opportunity. In _Journey_, Shepherd notes - When the infinite soul walked in through Jesus, it was a representative of a reunited messianic-plane cadre that channeled the Tao's energy inspirationally, since the messianic plane is the cardinal inspiration plane. /352 | How will they use mass media? Hopefully they won't (won't need to). | A less serious thought: If the old testament was set during baby soul | times and the new testament during the beginning of the young soul age, | will we have to stick a newer testament on the Bible for the mature soul age? Possibly, for those who need it. | Jose had a beautifully poetic description of how the infinite soul | energy comes to the planet. He said it was like a boat of ice melting | into the waters of our energy here.---John Clark "Beautifully poetic"? Sounds kind of weird to me. :-/ Regards, Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>] ---------------------------------------------------- Dick Hein / Mountain View, California. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:50:03 -0800 Subject: Re: INFINITE SOULS (1997-50/361) | From: Beejack123 | | If the Infinite Soul is "living" among us in a recent incarnation, does | this mean that physically he/she is still a child? Thus that person's | impact would not manifest itself for, say, a decade? See my message - Archive of Michael Teachings List (1997-50/357) ...for information about that. | I am very new to replying to this list, I finally feel as if I can ask | a question. | | Thanks! | Rona You picked a good topic to jump in on. Welcome! Regards, Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>] ---------------------------------------------------- Dick Hein / Mountain View, California. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:29:10 EST Subject: Infinite Soul Joya, I loved your post about Mother Meera. Sometimes the most profound is the most subtle. Having read it, I would like to meet her, if and when I ever get to Europe. I wonder if much of the disagreement here and throughout the Michael teachings relates to semantics, to the fact that we're using the same terms but define them a little differently. So technically, the way you define "infinite soul," Mother Meera might be one, whereas the way terms were originally defined in Yarbro, she might be described in another way. In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. There are many tremendous, powerful healers on the planet, often with one "specialty." I was deeply moved by the story told by Michael Harner of a remarkable Indian woman who merely touched people and healed them. She wanted to study with him to learn how to journey shamanistically, and just couldn't do it; she was not a visual person. She broke down in tears in the frustration, yet she had another gift that most people would value above any other. In Yarbro and in Sarah Chamber's original Michael channeling, the terms "infinite soul" and "transcendental soul" referred to a complete walkout of the original incarnating soul, and a total takeover of the body by a soul who normally resides in a reunited cadre or entity, respectively, on a high plane. I would liken that to having Michael in my body (with me gone) 24 hours a day. Even if the energy were modulated and everything possible was done to protect my body, I don't think that my body would survive long with that intensity that it wasn't designed for, like running 220 volts through a 110 appliance. On the other hand, it's possible that the body could be transmuted, raised in vibration so that it could last--anything is possible, especially in this new age we are entering. According to my channeling, there are no transcendental or infinite souls as defined in Yarbro currently on earth, but lots of people bringing in those energies part-time, including channels. All the best, Shepherd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:13:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Infinite Soul Thank you Shepherd. I have been very confused by the concept of the Infinite Soul coming through many people at once. My small understanding of the Michael Teachings was that the Infinite Soul would come as a "walk in" through one who was a Transcendent Being. Again, as you say, this may all be semantics, but I find it very confusing. Since, at this time, I don't "channel" at all, I find myself skeptical of so many "old souls" "channeling" Michael all of the time. I am attempting to clarify much of this through studying the "archives", but some of it confuses me even further. Semantics I understand. Jeanne Holley (hope that edit - is ok) ► Reply to This Permalink Reply by SUSAN 10 minutes ago Delete Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:53:39 EST Subject: Re: Infinite In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote: << In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. >> Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants! Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. Joya Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba Dear Joya, Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments. I know that he has beautiful messages, and I sense that he does a lot of good, but spiritual expertise does not guarantee that someone has done the necessary mental/emotional work to get it together on those levels. In fact, many spiritual paths neglect or even discourage doing that work, although new age spirituality is joining the mental/emotional with the spiritual. It appears that Sai Baba was taking advantage of his power over those who were seeking to get some of his needs met in a way that wasn't completely clean and clear. OTOH (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things. BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today. I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies. Love, Shepherd Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:41:05 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: 'Mother Meera and Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/378) > From: ShepherdH > > A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several > years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved > of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff > at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, > went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to > him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy > from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments. I was making a bad taste remark, but let me just say that that offers is a lot of fuel for thought. I am not a Sai Baba follower, I have been to one of their centers in Tokyo once and licked their powder. I don't like the idea that it may have been semenized. )) What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers turned servants? I don't mean to be an advocate for Sai Baba or Virgin Mary or any spiritual authority. I just mean to point out that a lot of stories, whether true or not, become public whenever one follower or a group of followers decides to break away. I have a copy of a letter of this nature that many of you may have read, from a group that left Siddha Yoga (Muktananda, that you mention, then Gurumayi). I can send its full text in private e-mail to anyone who is interested. Jose Caldeira Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:07:29 -0800 Subject: 'Re: Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/385) José wrote: > What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing > energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers > turned servants? There is no difference. Since the 1960s, humanity's psychological sophistication has been growing by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we still have a long way to go, but what was once unquestioned, or seen as being perfectly okay or the right and proper way is now understood as being a violation. Those spiritual traditions that do not integrate or even discourage psychological awareness (as many do) remain stuck in inappropriate behaviors, although in most cases no harm is meant. The guru tradition (with the absolute power of an authority figure) stems from baby soul times when it was probably the fast track to growth, and still may be when we're in our own spiritual childhood. When I was 16, I became involved with Emissaries of Divine Light (not to be confused with Divine Light Mission), a fine but somewhat cultish spiritual organization in which we looked on the leader as being virtually infallible. EDL had a hierarchal system of leadership, and members were expected to follow their "focalizer" without much questioning. That whole system has fallen apart now, but at the time, it was what I needed. I had little self-discipline and no means of accessing my own power and inner guidance. It is said that you have to learn how to follow before you can lead. However, after I learned the lessons of that phase, EDL no longer enriched me spiritually (I was euphoric at first to have discovered this "family"). I stayed too long out of loyalty, which often happens in the guru system. I was not harmed or scarred from my EDL experience, although many members feel now that they were. It gave me an excellent grounding in basic spiritual principles that I still value, but it also kept me stuck in some limited beliefs that I only sprang free from when I started working with a remarkable psychotherapist who was also psychic. Best, Shepherd

12-15-2009, 04:19 AM	#60
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings here's a little more - old archieves stuff Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:53:39 EST Subject: Re: Infinite In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote: In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. >> Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants! Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. Joya Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba Dear Joya, Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments. I know that he has beautiful messages, and I sense that he does a lot of good, but spiritual expertise does not guarantee that someone has done the necessary mental/emotional work to get it together on those levels. In fact, many spiritual paths neglect or even discourage doing that work, although new age spirituality is joining the mental/emotional with the spiritual. It appears that Sai Baba was taking advantage of his power over those who were seeking to get some of his needs met in a way that wasn't completely clean and clear. OTOH (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things. BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today. I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies. Love, Shepherd Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:41:05 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: 'Mother Meera and Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/378) From: ShepherdH A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments. I was making a bad taste remark, but let me just say that that offers is a lot of fuel for thought. I am not a Sai Baba follower, I have been to one of their centers in Tokyo once and licked their powder. I don't like the idea that it may have been semenized. )) What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers turned servants? I don't mean to be an advocate for Sai Baba or Virgin Mary or any spiritual authority. I just mean to point out that a lot of stories, whether true or not, become public whenever one follower or a group of followers decides to break away. I have a copy of a letter of this nature that many of you may have read, from a group that left Siddha Yoga (Muktananda, that you mention, then Gurumayi). I can send its full text in private e-mail to anyone who is interested. Jose Caldeira Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:07:29 -0800 Subject: 'Re: Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/385) José wrote: What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers turned servants? There is no difference. Since the 1960s, humanity's psychological sophistication has been growing by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we still have a long way to go, but what was once unquestioned, or seen as being perfectly okay or the right and proper way is now understood as being a violation. Those spiritual traditions that do not integrate or even discourage psychological awareness (as many do) remain stuck in inappropriate behaviors, although in most cases no harm is meant. The guru tradition (with the absolute power of an authority figure) stems from baby soul times when it was probably the fast track to growth, and still may be when we're in our own spiritual childhood. When I was 16, I became involved with Emissaries of Divine Light (not to be confused with Divine Light Mission), a fine but somewhat cultish spiritual organization in which we looked on the leader as being virtually infallible. EDL had a hierarchal system of leadership, and members were expected to follow their "focalizer" without much questioning. That whole system has fallen apart now, but at the time, it was what I needed. I had little self-discipline and no means of accessing my own power and inner guidance. It is said that you have to learn how to follow before you can lead. However, after I learned the lessons of that phase, EDL no longer enriched me spiritually (I was euphoric at first to have discovered this "family"). I stayed too long out of loyalty, which often happens in the guru system. I was not harmed or scarred from my EDL experience, although many members feel now that they were. It gave me an excellent grounding in basic spiritual principles that I still value, but it also kept me stuck in some limited beliefs that I only sprang free from when I started working with a remarkable psychotherapist who was also psychic. Best, Shepherd

12-15-2009, 04:20 AM	#61
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings here's a little more - old archieves stuff Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:53:39 EST Subject: Re: Infinite In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote: In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. >> Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants! Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. Joya Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba Dear Joya, Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments. I know that he has beautiful messages, and I sense that he does a lot of good, but spiritual expertise does not guarantee that someone has done the necessary mental/emotional work to get it together on those levels. In fact, many spiritual paths neglect or even discourage doing that work, although new age spirituality is joining the mental/emotional with the spiritual. It appears that Sai Baba was taking advantage of his power over those who were seeking to get some of his needs met in a way that wasn't completely clean and clear. OTOH (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things. BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today. I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies. Love, Shepherd There is no difference. Since the 1960s, humanity's psychological sophistication has been growing by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we still have a long way to go, but what was once unquestioned, or seen as being perfectly okay or the right and proper way is now understood as being a violation. Those spiritual traditions that do not integrate or even discourage psychological awareness (as many do) remain stuck in inappropriate behaviors, although in most cases no harm is meant. The guru tradition (with the absolute power of an authority figure) stems from baby soul times when it was probably the fast track to growth, and still may be when we're in our own spiritual childhood. When I was 16, I became involved with Emissaries of Divine Light (not to be confused with Divine Light Mission), a fine but somewhat cultish spiritual organization in which we looked on the leader as being virtually infallible. EDL had a hierarchal system of leadership, and members were expected to follow their "focalizer" without much questioning. That whole system has fallen apart now, but at the time, it was what I needed. I had little self-discipline and no means of accessing my own power and inner guidance. It is said that you have to learn how to follow before you can lead. However, after I learned the lessons of that phase, EDL no longer enriched me spiritually (I was euphoric at first to have discovered this "family"). I stayed too long out of loyalty, which often happens in the guru system. I was not harmed or scarred from my EDL experience, although many members feel now that they were. It gave me an excellent grounding in basic spiritual principles that I still value, but it also kept me stuck in some limited beliefs that I only sprang free from when I started working with a remarkable psychotherapist who was also psychic. Best, Shepherd here's a little more - old archieves stuff Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:53:39 EST Subject: Re: Infinite In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote: In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. >> Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants! Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. Joya Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba Dear Joya, Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals. (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things. BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today. I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies. Love, Shepherd Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-15-2009 at 04:35 AM.

12-15-2009, 04:22 AM	#62
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings HERE ARE SOME OLD EXCERPTS FROM TRANSCRIPTS OVER THE YEARS, courtesy of Lisa C's indexing of my work with Michael: Channel - Troy www.truthloveenergy.ning.com INFINITE SOUL INDEXING [08/19/99] MICHAEL: We do not see full manifestation of the Infinite Soul anywhere on the planet currently, though there are 2 fragments that are “ready,” and 3 more will follow when the first two have begun. At least 5 manifestations will most likely appear, according to what we have heard. These manifestations will include a young child ,apparently. The United States will most likely take the Teachings of either the child (a Priest son of a single parent female Server) or the Teachings of a female Sage. QUESTION: So the Infinite Soul intends to manifest in more than one individual at the same time? Has this been done before? MICHAEL: We believe Buddha and Christ overlapped in impact, though not so closely in manifestation. This proximity of impact is part of why you have “east” and “west.” We doubt the latest manifestations will be so easily used to segregate the world. QUESTION: Is the Infinite Soul manifesting in 5 individuals due to the population or is this tied more to the lessons to bring? MICHAEL: Both. [02/03/00] MICHAEL: Most of you have been within one level [of the 7 levels] of your current Soul Age since the last manifestation of the Infinite Soul. For the thousand years approximately before the manifestation, those of you present here moved only one or two soul levels during that time. Many of you have been incarnating for nearly 6 million years… [02/17/00] MICHAEL: Since the beginning of this year, we have seen a tremendous drop in activity around preparations for a manifestation. The Infinite Soul will only manifest in a parallel or time frame when Sentience is lacking direction and seeks assistance. A “surprising” factor in the last Nexus is in the detailed removal of reality options that were leading toward more disintegration. This has created a lull in assessment, a pause, to see what humans will create over the next few years. It appears your species seeks more integration “on your own” than you might have anticipated. The anticipation of having a manifestation may be exciting, but the indication that your species and the planet are transiting in Soul Age with little incident is equally exhilarating to the Essence. This can be likened to a teenager whose “father” threatens to pull over to make a point, but then the teenager making his own efforts to grow and communicate, resulting in no need for intervention. So our update, as far as we can see at this time, is that you are in a holding pattern. We will comment as this unfolds. [12/28/00] QUESTION: You told us, long ago, that many of the fragments presently incarnate on this plane were here to witness the Infinite Soul. Now it seems, the IS in not coming in the manner expected. Will all of these millions of incarnates cycle off (or die) and “depopulate” the planet as planned, or have the plans changed? MICHAEL: During a period of time wherein the Infinite Soul may manifest, it is not done “lightly.” Though last year appeared to indicate a shift in changes as to whether the Infinite Soul may manifest at all, your coming year may prove to require a continuation as “planned.” In your Time perspective and sense of change, these fluctuations may appear to be more whimsical, but they are not. There are parallels where the manifestation has already occurred. There are some parallels where it will not. The probability of a manifestation in "this" parallel, as it stands tonight, is approximately 44% within 10 years and 67% within 30. As for the “depopulation,” we looked at probabilities approximately 10 years ago for what is now your present and saw a great reduction “by now,” but this has not occurred and does not appear to be on the horizon. This is a strong indication that Essences are still anticipating an exchange while Physical with the Infinite Soul. From The Michaels through Troy www.truthloveenergy.ning.com

12-15-2009, 04:24 AM	#63
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings man susan...do ppl really read all that? can't you just give the reader's digest version??

12-15-2009, 04:29 AM	#64
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings michael is indepth ... a lot of people, have a lot of different ideas there really are NOT a lot of short cuts there are some people here that likely do want to 'reasearch it' i've tried to compile 25 years of stuff in about 4 posts ??? and, yes, NOW, i'll try to edit it , if i can

12-15-2009, 04:30 AM	#65
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings In late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following: Question by: Geraldine B Because of the upcoming themed BlogTalkRadio session on Transcendental and Infinite Souls, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthloveenergy (happening early 2010) through this link http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthlo...infinite-souls I'd like some information about prehistorical Transcendental and Infinite Souls, aka TS & IS. For example, Ra is listed as an IS and was a long term "sun god" for Egypt -- but what did he actually do that made him a legendary/mythological figure of reknown? In terms of prehistorical Infinite Souls and Transcendental Souls, there are only mythologies from which to draw references, as those who actually acted as Manifestations were only "recorded" in tales and stories for thousands and thousands of years. The reference to "Ra" would be one of those, having actually manifested approximately 6000 BCE, about 3000 years previous to the culmination of the cults who began to implement formal worship and recording. The original manifestation was focused on the transformation of fear regarding nature and the sky, in particular the Sun, into a means of abundance and resource. Even this reference as a mythological god is one of many "incarnations" of how this Manifestation actually occurred. The stories and myths became embellished over history as a means to tell the story of those telling the story, not of the history, itself. Once that flexible template is in place, any Entity or Cadre can "play" the role for any group or individual as a means to teach, giving rise to a multitude of variations. Are you saying that these TS & IS manifestations aren't part of the Akashic Records? No, we are not. We are saying that it is complicated to give you a response with any tangible reference beyond what you have as a reference. For instance, we can tell you that in 4,000,000 BCE Ti'AT manifested the Infinite Sou l as a means to bring the Logos regarding nomadal navigation, but the only reference to this in your perspective might be a few of the "alien" etchings of later cultures. What we can do is share with you how many, when, and why. And upon elaboration, possibly tie them to tangible references in your recorded history. fair enough -- I'm mentally dealing with the length of time culture and incarnational cycles have been part of earth in the future -- I'll research, stabilize questions and ask more The fragment known as Ti'AT was not a fictional example, by the way. I'm not familiar with Ti`AT We know.no one is, I suppose That was the first Manifestation. and which peoples did it appear to? The Lemurian lighter bodies or humans? We have been answering your questions regarding the Manifestations within the context of the human species. ok -- and the Lemurians and the silicone-based peoples would have had their own? Yes, that is correct. The list of human Infinite Soul Manifestations would be: With approximate time frames - Ti'AT (female - 4,000,000 BCE), Khro'Te (male child - 2,000,000 BCE), Ker (female - 1,000,000 BCE), Sonad, Kin, Serep (brothers - 700,000 BCE), Tinet, TenTen, Tia (sisters - 500,000 BCE), Shia (female - 150,000 BCE), Kendre (female - 75,000 BCE), "Ra" (male - 6,000 BCE), "Krishna" (6,000 BCE) "Lilith" (female - 4,000 BCE), Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE), [corrected from 400 BCE] "Buddha" (male - 500 BCE), "Christ" (male - 5 BCE). We think we have covered them. This was not an easy task for our channel. Many of the names are phonetic and rather insignificant in terms of references for you. So, Lilith was an IS, not a TS? through Michael Toth, she was given as a TS at about 10,000 BCE CORRECTION: Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE) ok -- that makes more sense than two IS in the same year although that would make Lilith and him simultaneous In regard to "Lilith," this would also be correct. A Transcendental Soul manifested in a way that then became a thread that the Infinite Soul used for Manifestation. Yes, there are often more than one Manifestation. and which IS used it? In what way do you mean "which IS used it?" We know of only One that manifests as Many. which name and time frame is what I meant In regard to "Lilith?" yes -- since a TS precedes the manifestation of an IS We are unclear as to what you are asking, but we will try to respond with clarification: The mythology of "Lilith" includes two past peaks, one in which a Transcendental Soul manifested, and one in which the Infinite Soul manifested. I'm likely unclear myself . . . what I'm trying to do today is pin down a series of events that have been mysterious The more recent Manifestation is the more relevant of what has come to be the myth of "Lilith." Her name and lore was really trashed after that manifestation Most Manifestations do not take long to be "trashed." We refer to the Manifestation through Christ as a most-recent example. well, that bIn late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following: Question by: Geraldine B Because of the upcoming themed BlogTalkRadio session on Transcendental and Infinite Souls, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthloveenergy (happening early 2010) http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthlo...infinite-souls I'd like some information about prehistorical TS & IS. For example, Ra is listed as an IS and was a long term "sun god" for Egypt -- but what did he actually do that made him a legendary/mythological figure of reknown? In terms of prehistorical Infinite Souls and Transcendental Souls, there are only mythologies from which to draw references, as those who actually acted as Manifestations were only "recorded" in tales and stories for thousands and thousands of years. The reference to "Ra" would be one of those, having actually manifested approximately 6000 BCE, about 3000 years previous to the culmination of the cults who began to implement formal worship and recording. The original manifestation was focused on the transformation of fear regarding nature and the sky, in particular the Sun, into a means of abundance and resource. Even this reference as a mythological god is one of many "incarnations" of how this Manifestation actually occurred. The stories and myths became embellished over history as a means to tell the story of those telling the story, not of the history, itself. Once that flexible template is in place, any Entity or Cadre can "play" the role for any group or individual as a means to teach, giving rise to a multitude of variations. Are you saying that these TS & IS manifestations aren't part of the Akashic Records? No, we are not. We are saying that it is complicated to give you a response with any tangible reference beyond what you have as a reference. For instance, we can tell you that in 4,000,000 BCE Ti'AT manifested the Infinite Sou l as a means to bring the Logos regarding nomadal navigation, but the only reference to this in your perspective might be a few of the "alien" etchings of later cultures. What we can do is share with you how many, when, and why. And upon elaboration, possibly tie them to tangible references in your recorded history. fair enough -- I'm mentally dealing with the length of time culture and incarnational cycles have been part of earth in the future -- I'll research, stabilize questions and ask more The fragment known as Ti'AT was not a fictional example, by the way. I'm not familiar with Ti`AT We know.no one is, I suppose That was the first Manifestation. and which peoples did it appear to? The Lemurian lighter bodies or humans? We have been answering your questions regarding the Manifestations within the context of the human species. ok -- and the Lemurians and the silicone-based peoples would have had their own? Yes, that is correct. The list of human Infinite Soul Manifestations would be: With approximate time frames - Ti'AT (female - 4,000,000 BCE), Khro'Te (male child - 2,000,000 BCE), Ker (female - 1,000,000 BCE), Sonad, Kin, Serep (brothers - 700,000 BCE), Tinet, TenTen, Tia (sisters - 500,000 BCE), Shia (female - 150,000 BCE), Kendre (female - 75,000 BCE), "Ra" (male - 6,000 BCE), "Krishna" (6,000 BCE) "Lilith" (female - 4,000 BCE), Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE), [corrected from 400 BCE] "Buddha" (male - 500 BCE), "Christ" (male - 5 BCE). We think we have covered them. This was not an easy task for our channel. Many of the names are phonetic and rather insignificant in terms of references for you. So, Lilith was an IS, not a TS? through Michael Toth, she was given as a TS at about 10,000 BCE CORRECTION: Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE) ok -- that makes more sense than two IS in the same year although that would make Lilith and him simultaneous In regard to "Lilith," this would also be correct. A Transcendental Soul manifested in a way that then became a thread that the Infinite Soul used for Manifestation. Yes, there are often more than one Manifestation. and which IS used it? In what way do you mean "which IS used it?" We know of only One that manifests as Many. which name and time frame is what I meant In regard to "Lilith?" yes -- since a TS precedes the manifestation of an IS We are unclear as to what you are asking, but we will try to respond with clarification: The mythology of "Lilith" includes two past peaks, one in which a Transcendental Soul manifested, and one in which the Infinite Soul manifested. I'm likely unclear myself . . . what I'm trying to do today is pin down a series of events that have been mysterious The more recent Manifestation is the more relevant of what has come to be the myth of "Lilith." Her name and lore was really trashed after that manifestation Most Manifestations do not take long to be "trashed." We refer to the Manifestation through Christ as a most-recent example. well, that became a religion at least . . . rather than becoming a demon There is much truth in the cliche that the gods of the past religion becomes the devil of the new. That is often the case, particularly when it involves Baby Souls. Responses by: Troy of www.truthloveenergy.ning.com Channel of The Michaels http://truthloveenergy.ning.com/foru...com_forumecame NOTE; this is posted in its entirety - since, it is a closed forum NOTE; troy channels professional michael teachings charts at $20 link off www.truthloveenergy.ning.com thank you - we highly recommend his work !!! __________________

12-15-2009, 04:34 AM	#66
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Oh, Okay, if I understand correctly then the term "monads" is equivalent to what I call fixed polarities or dualities, and in my system, Clearing unfixes them so that one can have full freedom of expression between both opposing ends. I have spent a good year doing that. best, gnosis Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger monads we play out: *Classic External (relationship) Monads Teacher/Student; Parent/Child; Imprinter/Imprinted; Siblings (brother/brother, brother/sister, sister/sister); Husband/Wife; Leader/Follower; Attacker/Victim; Healer/Healed; Rescuer/Rescued; Integrator/Eccentric; Hopelessly Loving/Hopelessly Loved; Passionate/Repressed; Dependent/Independent; Pivotal Facilitator/Facilitated; Slovenly/Meticulous; Passive/Aggressive; Adept/Apprentice; Artist/Patron; Deserter/Abandoned; Profligate/Tempered; Innocent/Sophisticate; Promiscuous/Impotent; Master/Slave; Player/Pawn; Defender/Defended; Hidden/Disclosed; Slander/Slandered; Jailer/Prisoner; Tandem Monad; Love Monad per Troy, www.truthloveenergy.ning.com MaMaS~KitSi-Nu~Susan says: Then, the heart_link monad At that point, the two souls, play out the heart Link, and, they will do so, knowing, full well, that they have lived through, each/and, every monad above, playing out, both sides, of the equations, and, they will have done, everyone of them, each to the other as, it is necessary, to play out, each and every side, of all monads, in order, to create, an equation, that, can hold the balance that, can hold the substance that is necessary that is required to embark, on a heart_link. each and, every 30 monads (that are mentioned above) you will excute/you will play out all 30 Classic External (relationship) Monads prior to the entering of The Pivot of a Heart_Link You will have done; everything, each to each other absolutely; everyone of them; you will have played out, both sides of the equations to achieve, the status, that is necessary to enter into a heart_link monad, for it is, the 'grand' accumulation, of all, that has existed, between time, and, between space, between 2, or more souls, that interact, in each of the monads, The heart_link, it is seen, as, the "grand finale", so-to-speak. it is, where the 'sum total' of all the exchanges of all the lessons, that were learned, come full circle, into a balanced round, so, the eXchange of two souls, can successfully work towards, the completion of a 'heart_link', this is a monad, that is entered into, pre-natally, and/or, it can be entered into, with NO pre-natal agreement, at the 'old soul' level... the choice to enter into one, brings the totality of all that was, into the pivot of the now, of all, that is, balanced, and, completed between two fragments(souls) and, brings it all back together again to eXchange one, to the other with a balance of true force, and, true power where both fragments (souls) enter into it, on equal footing, it is the singular, most forceful, and, most powerful monads that two souls, will ever play out together it is where, fullness, and, richness come to meet, richness, and, fullness and, truly much comes to gather more Susan / Michael Entity

12-15-2009, 04:38 AM	#67
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings yes, that would be called 'shovelling the 5th level' stuff !!! (it isn't necessary to copy-postings-i am sure, people can read up and, through to find stuff ) ??? but, yes, those are the 30 standard monads/there are a few others too love/susan (who will attempt to condense the stuff on iS/and, TM - although it does bring about much debate, in the minds of many) maybe, if we can keep michael /and soul stuff here and, maybe, if we can keep earth history/and, cycles-on that other thread it will help many of us

12-15-2009, 05:03 AM	#68
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger yes, that would be called 'shovelling the 5th level' stuff !!! ([snipped] Yup, that's pretty right on, and I had no prior knowledge of Michael Teachings before I started my work, and neither did another Old Soul I am working with on the same material. It's so nice to now why I am not normal (giggle). love, gnosis

12-15-2009, 05:23 AM	#69
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings somewhere on this thread, is new info on "m"-gnosis5

12-15-2009, 05:25 AM	#70
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger i've tried to compile 25 years of stuff in about 4 posts ??? are you saying it took someone 25 years to come up with this soul classification thing?

12-15-2009, 06:01 AM	#71
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings it was developed over a number of years, and, continues to evole the orig. book came out 25-30 years ago some of the notes/on the TS/or iS - came in; over a 25 year period since you carry the same casting/and, role throughout a grand cycle it is valuable info to know

12-15-2009, 06:05 AM	#72
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings it takes 4.5 billion years, to evolve a planet and, look were we are !!!

12-15-2009, 06:11 AM	#73
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger it was developed over a number of years, and, continues to evole the orig. book came out 25-30 years ago some of the notes/on the TS/or iS - came in; over a 25 year period since you carry the same casting/and, role throughout a grand cycle it is valuable info to know 25 years... people really do make this stuff way too complicated. the guy who wrote it should have spent more time with his children...imo

12-15-2009, 07:21 AM	#74
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings it was a group of people who wrote it (and, it didn't take them 25 years to write it) people have been discussing it, for over 25 years "messages by michael" by the famous writer yarbro

12-15-2009, 07:22 AM	#75
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by eXchanger it was a group of people who wrote it (and, it didn't take them 25 years to write it) people have been discussing it, for over 25 years ok thanks...i stand corrected. those ppl who discussed it could have spent more time with their children

 

12-15-2009, 07:24 AM	#76
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings a lot of this world, doesn't have children ? here's a quick link , for a quick study http://www.michaelmosaics.com/sevens...ialsevens.html

12-15-2009, 07:29 AM	#77
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings here's a real quick 35 step study that is quite well done http://personalityspirituality.wordp...-the-35-steps/

12-15-2009, 07:40 AM	#78
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings quick summary 5 x 7 = 35. Each step requires a whole lifetime to complete . In fact, each step usually requires more than one lifetime. Typically, the entire journey of 35 steps takes well over a hundred lifetimes. So let’s look at the journey in more detail. 5 levels infant baby young mature old there are 7 steps to each level tLEVEL 1: Initiation into the new stage. Trying it out. Toe in the water. LEVEL 2: Building a secure base. Getting used to the new current. LEVEL 3: Taking the plunge. Exploration. Letting go of the prior stage altogether. LEVEL 4: Total immersion. Being the epitome of the stage. LEVEL 5: Articulating it. Personalizing it. Finding one’s own style. LEVEL 6: Purifying it. Burning off karma. Perfecting it. Being a role model. LEVEL 7: Mastery of the stage. Enjoying it. Passing on the lessons learnt. This sequence of seven steps is repeated through each stage, making 35 steps in all from the beginning of reincarnation to the end. and, you choose one role/and, one casting and, you carry that with you for a whole grand cycle king priest sage scholar warrior artisan slave/server * don't let the name fool you/it's a cardinal position it's quite an interesting study of the soul makeup love/susan the eXchanger

12-16-2009, 06:37 AM	#79
100thmonkey Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newcastle, Oz Posts: 177	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Thanks for this thread eXchanger. The Michael stuff really fits with how I have come to see the world, but fills in a lot of detail. (A l-ooot... I'm going to have to come back to this thread a few times to absorb it. ) The summary you gave of the Michael Teachings also sounds a lot like the Abe Lincoln Teachings: "Be excellent to each other, - and party on, dudes!"

12-16-2009, 03:53 PM	#80
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by 100thmonkey Thanks for this thread eXchanger. The Michael stuff really fits with how I have come to see the world, but fills in a lot of detail. (A l-ooot... I'm going to have to come back to this thread a few times to absorb it. ) The summary you gave of the Michael Teachings also sounds a lot like the Abe Lincoln Teachings: "Be excellent to each other, - and party on, dudes!" yup -- it sure does also -- it is about agape/or love and, also - it is all about choice !!! we know why we like it !!! love/susan the eXchanger

12-20-2009, 02:07 AM	#81
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings http://michaeltransits.blogspot.com/ Saturday, December 19, 2009 Word for the Day: Saturday, December 19, 2009 The Word for Today is Resolve. This word can either be a noun ("Don't lose your resolve"), or a verb ("I resolve to exercise more"). I am not quite sure which of these the Michael Teachings has in mind. Try out both of them. check out his daily short at http://michaeltransits.blogspot.com/ Michael Transits This BLOG refers to the Michael Teachings. One general site is www.michaelteachings.com. At the moment, this BLOG assumes prior knowledge of these teachings, as I respect copyrights. However, I provide two URL's to the teachers who taught me the foundation behind these Transits: www.mef.to and www.michaeleducationalfoundation.com This guy is brilliant ~ Kenneth Parker ps; gnosis5 - check this out he says; I'm a computer professional, who designs Universes in my spare time. http://www.blogger.com/profile/09840916663478499539 http://michaeltransits.blogspot.com/

12-20-2009, 04:59 AM	#82
lindabaker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 504	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings eXchanger: the michael site is great! I did the self test and came up with 4th level Mature Sage. Where do I go for feedback/confirmation? Thanks, LB

12-27-2009, 09:36 PM	#83
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings DEALING WITH "NEGATIVE" TRUTHS The recent disclosure of XXXXX's "other" self has brought up a few issues for all of us in some way, I'm sure. Great healing is coming out from the disclosure, but I know there are those who are extremely uncomfortable with all of this. A couple of issues I've seen over time on such matters have led me to the questions: How does one speak of such atrocities without being condemned for speaking about them? And how does one listen to such reports without our own sense of well-being feeling violated or offended? I know that a lot of us have been indoctrinated into a New Age way of thinking that says if anything "negative" is mentioned that it's pretty much an extension of the concept of "sinning." Others may have some fantastical notion t hat to mention anything "negative" is somehow a lesser energy that will consume or neutralize the possibilities in "higher" energies. Others interpret this division of "positive" and "negative" as some sort of on-going checks and balances that must be monitored tediously so that ONLY what is deemed "positive" gets banked, leading to a stressful and judgmental battle within, and even toward others whom you've deemed as speaking "negatively." Whatever your reasoning, it's become a standard in the New Age community to avoid "negativity" at all costs; to speak in any way that hints of negativity is taboo. This is why even the most deceitful and fraudulent of "channels" among us can secure a following at all. Play the role of positive, syrupy-sweet whispers, then coat it in cooing, gooey guru-speak, and you can pretty much say anything at all without question or discernment. But I digress... Well, I invite you to take a step closer into a sense of wholeness by realizing that Positive is not better than the Negative in any way that has to be judged or avoided. If there is any validity and comprehension in our studying Michael's teaching, then that should be obvious, but sometimes the dichotomy and the pressure of our peers can get the best of even the best of students. Michael describes everything we experience as sitting within a spectrum between Positive and Negative, and at no point in their teaching have they ever described one as being necessary to avoid in order to sustain the other. Ironically, the more "positive" we are, the more inclusive we are of the "negative." In fact, the only thing that divides Positive from Negative is precisely that: Inclusion vs Exclusion. Positivity is Inclusion, Wholeness, Adaptability, Flexibility, Expansion, Embrace, Comprehension. .. Negativity is Exclusion, Division, Resistance, Rigidity, Contraction, Repulsion, Incomprehension. .. The reason for the appeal and encouragement toward Positivity isn't for the point of avoiding Negativity, but for the point of being able to deal with Negativity as it arises. Negativity is a part of life. It's part of the electrical, mathematical currents of life. The more we try to avoid, exclude, resist, repel, ignore Negativity, the more we are actually emphasizing it. The more we allow room for it, comprehend it, can adapt, and deal with it, the more we naturally nurture Positivity. Sometimes Negativity is very important for us to dive into because it helps us to explore some very specific issues within ourselves and within life, and to not go there would mean never being able to truly expand beyond those issues. Ironically, the more often we deal directly and openly and honestly with Negativity, the less "negative" it all feels, and the more it is experienced as curves in the road, instead of as derailment. So I thought a quick reminder of what Positive and Negative mean from Michael's perspective might help us to navigate our experiences along that spectrum so that we don't feel compelled toward having one to replace the other, or avoiding one for the protection of the other, and so on... Sometimes when Negativity is being imposed on you, the very act of distancing yourself is a Positive means to adapt, include, and comprehend the Negativity. So when you feel that you are around "negative" people or "negative" conversations, it's important to be honest and clear about what is actually going on. If the negativity is just an inconvenient topic of exploration, then it's not going to destroy anything for you, and you can opt out of the conversation/ experience, or you can keep your wits about you and not take it as a personal offense, maybe even lending insight that could be helpful. So in cases like that, distancing yourself just means being honest and making room for other people's realities without feeling one has to be protected from the other. If the negativity is in any way physically harming you, then distancing yourself means literally getting yourself to safety so that you can then deal with what has been imposed on you. That's not the same thing as avoiding, or rejecting negativity. Getting yourself out of harm's way is an expansion and comprehension of the situation that would allow you to better adapt and deal with the experience. So I just think it's an important topic for everyone to consider when dealing with life, people, exchanges, and experiences, and I hope this gives you some food for thought. How do you deal with Negativity, and does Michael's perspective help? Troy www.truthloveenergy.ning.com Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-28-2009 at 05:16 AM.

12-28-2009, 04:07 AM	#84
ubiquitousquintessence Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Here Posts: 36	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings I always say "negativity is not a problem". It seems to **** people off.

12-28-2009, 04:51 AM	#85
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Whoa! You're answering my question! Ya know, there is something weird going on here. I'll read your stuff and get back to you.

12-28-2009, 04:52 AM	#86
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Who is Troy?

12-28-2009, 05:13 AM	#87
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by mkspllmn Who is Troy? he is from www.truthloveenergy.ning.com (maybe, he will come, and, post here)

12-28-2009, 05:28 AM	#88
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings How much have you spent on the Michael (which is also my name) teachings so far? I am buying into the principal so far, I just want to follow the money.

12-28-2009, 05:30 AM	#89
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Don't we have rules about following other people?

12-28-2009, 05:34 AM	#90
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Do you have a monetary interest in the Michael teachings? Do you make money on this?

12-28-2009, 05:42 AM	#91
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings I am begining to think that reality itself is manipulated by a secrete society. That we actually live in a kind of software over which we have no control and the "Puppeteers" are not nice to us. Or, we live in a software in which we are our own "Puppeteers" and we are not nice to ourselves. Ether way, I don't like it.

12-28-2009, 05:43 AM	#92
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by mkspllmn Do you have a monetary interest in the Michael teachings? Do you make money on this? NO, we do NOT have a monetary interest in this, NOR, make money on it

12-28-2009, 05:49 AM	#93
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by mkspllmn How much have you spent on the Michael (which is also my name) teachings so far? I am buying into the principal so far, I just want to follow the money. i've been aware of it, for over 25 years the first book i got, was a present today, you can read a lot of stuff for free online just search "michael teachings" likely, as much as $30/month, and, as little as NOTHING sometimes, they have live events online, and, then, i donate $10/or $15 to the person who channelled the information it is a pay to play - type of world i've learned a lot from the study of this eXpanding teachings of "The Michaels" about myself, and, about others... and, i love their attitude that 'all is choice' ~ it rings true to me

12-28-2009, 05:50 AM	#94
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by mkspllmn I don't like it. funny thing, what you do NOT like, you attract !!! (maybe that is NOT a funny thing)

12-28-2009, 07:15 PM	#95
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by THE eXchanger funny thing, what you do NOT like, you attract !!! (maybe that is NOT a funny thing) Yes but I think it is "What we spend most our time thinking about is attracted to us". But the end result is the same. Getting out of that cycle is nearly impossible when you are alone. I'm really tired of it.

12-28-2009, 07:47 PM	#96
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Quote: Originally Posted by mkspllmn Yes but I think it is "What we spend most our time thinking about is attracted to us". But the end result is the same. Getting out of that cycle is nearly impossible when you are alone. I'm really tired of it. when you are tired of something you command/and, demand it, to depart lots of times, a teacher shows up, and, a student is NOT ready/or receptive after_all, iT is a choice

01-02-2010, 01:34 AM	#97
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Reminder from: TruthLoveEnergy Yahoo! Group Title: tleRADIO SHOW LIVE! Date: Sunday January 3, 2010 Time: 4:00 pm - 5:30 pm Repeats: This event repeats every month on the first Sunday. Next reminder: The next reminder for this event will be sent in 2 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes. Location: http://www.BlogTalkRadio.com/TruthLoveEnergy Notes: tleRADIO Live CALL-in Show RETURNS! CALL-IN @ (646) 200-0772 FIRST SUNDAYS @ 4pm EASTERN http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TruthLoveEnergy After a LONG hiatus, we return to the BlogTalkRadio schedule on the FIRST SUNDAYS of each month at 4pm EASTERN. We start the rejuvenated series with an OPEN DISCUSSION format. In this episode you should be prepared to call in, or chat, with your questions about channeling, Troy, The Michael Teachings, and anything else you feel might be important or interesting to other students of The Michael Teachings. The format for this episode will be casual for the sake of getting back into the swing of things, and to use the new features offered by BTR. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TruthLoveEnergy CALL-IN @ (646) 200-0772

01-02-2010, 01:35 AM	#98
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings ENERGY REPORT: 2010 Overleaves Reading time: 8 – 14 minutes ENERGY REPORT 2010 Overleaves 010110 WHAT IS AN ENERGY REPORT and “OVERLEAVES FOR THE YEAR?” Though energies shift, change, and adapt all year, there is a general energy that can be said to affect the calendar year, at least in terms of your shared reality. Our Overleaves system can be used to describe any collection of energies, ranging from the dynamics of the actual Personality to the general “mood” of a room, society, fictional character, theme of groups, or a planet’s general atmosphere of consciousness. In addition to this, when a block of time is selected, that time frame can be translated into a description of energies based on what we perceive as the momentum of events, consciousness, and choices that will POTENTIALLY contribute to that period of time. The Overleaves for a year, then, are our interpretation of those events , consciousness, and choices as we see that they are most likely to be brought to bear in your world. The more participating one is in “the world,” the more likely these energies will be of concern, though one’s inactivity does not exempt one from world or local energies, anymore than staying inside can take away the fact of a rainstorm. The rainstorm outside can have as much an effect on one inside as on one who is outside, depending on personal interpretations and experiences of that rainstorm. The very basic energy, or basic context, of a year can be described in two Overleaves: the Role and the Center. These two basic energies are those that can contribute to your year feeling “comfortable” or “challenged” during the year unfolding, depending on your own Overleaves and your method of participation in “the world.” These two energies are most obvious in the first three months of a year, but their effects will remain steady throughout the year. It can be said that ALL of the Overleaves we use to describe the year are in effect ALL year, but the particular frames of time described below are the “seasonal” emphasis of those particular Overleaf qualities. General “Seasonal” Energy emphasis: The ENTIRE YEAR is based within the energies described by the ROLE and CENTERING. January through March implements and emphasizes the GOAL. April through June implements and emphasizes the MODE. July through September implements and emphasizes the ATTITUDE. October through December implements and emphasizes the CHIEF FEATURE. With all of that being explained, we would describe the highest probable energy for the year 2010 with these Overleaves: 2010 OVERLEAVES ROLE: Sage CENTERING: Emotional PART OF CENTER: Moving GOAL: Dominance MODE: Power ATTITUDE: Spiritualist CHIEF FEATURES: Arrogance/Self-deprecation While we do not, and cannot, “predict”, we can share with you what the basic energies of the Centering and Role may mean for you in the year ahead. 2010’s OVERALL TONE and CONTEXT The greatest shift between last year’s energy and this year’s energy is the movement from passivity, flow, and surrender into activity, direction, and creativity. Last year’s energy was all about adjustments, adaptations, waiting, watching, dealing, learning, while this year appears to be a pattern of exploration showing up through inspiration, action, leadership, direction, possibilities, confidence, and self-esteem. The base energy, or Centering for the year looks to us to be Emotional, which means to us that this is a year that would emphasize the INSPIRATION Axis, which might prompt revitalized dreams, ideas, plans, and intentions t hat may have felt to be on hold for some time before. The Part of Centering is Moving, which means to us that the Inspiration would be followed by Action. In other words, the time of rest, flow, surrender, waiting, and simply adapting to what has come to unfold from last year is over, and a renewed wave of energy is surging and rising among people for making a difference in preferred directions, and having the motivation and energy available to make that effort. The Emotional Center has as its Positive Pole PERCEPTION, which is the capability of assessing a relationship, person, or event with accuracy beyond any intellectual or physical contradictions. Perception is a non-linear, non-logical form of intelligence that is dependent on resonance and empathy as a means to discern. It is the process of “seeing past the obvious” and into the heart of a relationship, person, or event. It does not require understanding, proof, or tangibilities, but simply “knows.” If the emphasis moves in this Positive Pole direction, 2010 could see the dissolving of many factions, divisions, and conflicts that have plagued the past year, bringing a new sense of unity among various parts of countries that has been missing for quite some time. The Emotional Center has its Negative Pole as SENTIMENTALITY, which is the blurring of lines between symbol and essence so that the symbols become the very things they represent. Sentimentality is attachment to a perception that is locked in place by what represented that perception, and is often outdated. For instance, if one experienced a sense of freedom and innocence as a child, then Sentimentality would not only equate childhood with freedom and innocence, but it would leave the possibilities of qualities like freedom and innocence locked in the past of childhood. If the emphasis moves in this Negative Pole direction, 2010 may find itself falling into a struggle to return to the past, to revert, reverse directions in ways that falsely symbolize experiences that are felt to be currently missing. In general, 2010’s Center and Part of Center will mostly show up as a fast-paced, rather impulsive tone that leads many on high adventures, both internally and externally, along with some amount of over-sensitivity and overreaction at times. We see the year ahead in terms of Role as being best described by SAGE. We see this as indicating a craving for knowledge, substance in communication and entertainment, and deeper and more intimate dialog about the issues at hand in your world. Based on patterns we can see unfolding among most, 2010 may become a rather entertaining, dramatic, suspenseful, theatrical, exciting, playful, and fun year ahead with a great emphasis on technology, media, performances, teachings, education, communication, and outrageousness. It seems to us that most are craving a brake from the seriousness of the past several years and from the impending concerns of 2012, so Sages and Sage energy is being called to the foreground of life and events. In fact, it would not surprise us if at least 3 new media icons come into awareness who are Sages and 2 more well-known Sages coming back into positions of influence as a kind of rekindling of career. Because of the Sage influences, we see the year ahead as one that might find a wave of craving among people for knowledge, updated philosophies, changes in the school systems, a patronizing of more refined arts, and a leap in technology that would be in the realm of entertainment. Often the funding for more practical uses of technology comes first through the use of it as entertainment. One of the ways we see the straddling of practical, but entertaining, uses of technology in your next decade appears to be the establishment of personal robots as fairly common; to the extent that personal electronic devices have become rather common over the first decade. Those personal devices may find their uses extended to their uses in remotely controlling various robotic, or “intelligent” devices associated with the home, vehicles, and work. The Positive Pole of Sage is DISSEMINATION. This is the process of sharing information in a way that can be heard and comprehended. If the move is more toward the Positive Pole, 2010 could find a highlight being the dissolving of barriers among groups that had previously found challenges in communication, language, and sharing of information. The Negative Pole of Sage is ORATION. This is the process of dumping information upon those who have no interest, communicating with presumptions about the listeners, and speaking in ways that have no value beyond filling space and time. If the move of energy is more toward the Negative Pole, 2010 could find in retrospect to have been an exercise in information overload, mental masturbation, deceit, empty promises, arguments, grandstanding, obnoxiousness, and “bull****.” Keep in mind that both the Positive and Negative Poles would be explored in any year, but one end of the spectrum may tend to dominate as the year unfolds. Because so many appear to be ready for a break, and ready to make uplifting changes within their personal lives , it would seem to us that the pattern may find a Positive Pole leaning, but this cannot be predicted, only speculated. KEY PHRASES FOR THE YEAR Based on these two basic contexts for the year ahead, we would suggest a few key phrases in mind for helping to navigate your choices: IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO BE HAPPY However cliche this phrase has become, we suggest this because it is simply true, in any year. Because of the emphasis of Emotional Sage energy over 2010, there may be a wave of nostalgia and longing for a return to simpler times when you felt you were happier. These waves of feelings are invitations for recreating the qualities you crave, but with new symbols. Experiences that bring joy are never locked in the past by the previous reasons for those experiences. It is simply that new experiences are required to act as media for your joy and happiness. Which leads us into our next key phrase. RECREATE THE QUALITIES, NOT THE SYMBOLS You may never be able to be a child again, but you can experience the joys you remember having as a child. You may never be able to return to a relationship you long for, but you can invite a new relationship that provides the same qualities of experience as one from the past. You may have missed out on fulfilling your intentions in your youth, but your intentions can be fulfilled at any point in your life, even if you have to alter the method, process, and details to accommodate your adulthood. INSPIRATION COMES FROM WITHIN, NOT WITHOUT In a year that is inspirational, it can be easy to assume that external things, people, and events are the source of inspiration, but that is never the case. Only when one has allowed room within oneself for his or her own inspiration does the external show up. If you find yourself inspired by an external thing, person, or event, it means you have already generated that source from within. All external sources of inspiration are only reflections of your internal resources, given shape. This can come in handy for those of you who might “sit around” and wait for inspiration to show up. You may have to still wait patiently for your inner world to settle so that you may access your sense of inspiration, but you will not have had to wait for it to show up outside of you somehow. This does not mean that you cannot look for it externally, but keep in mind that if one seeks inspiration externally, you merely seek a mirror for clarity of what is already within you. For instance, if you are suddenly inspired by a display of nature, you have simply found your reflection given form externally, and this can be helpful, especially when seen as information about your own resources, instead of being dependent upon these symbols. END TLE FORUM Entry: http://truthloveenergy.ning.com/foru...010-overleaves (private group ~ only members can read ~ thus posted in its entirety) -Troy

01-03-2010, 06:15 PM	#99
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings ENERGY REPORT January 2010 For most of our students, we saw the last three months of 2009 as being fairly liberating. The exploration of the Chief Negative Features become emphasized during October, November, and December, and last year’s tended toward Impatience and Martyrdom. What we saw happening over 2009 was a genuine exploration of Flow, the Goal of last year, that allowed for a serious examination of how one deals with the challenges of life when there is a lack of control and power; in this case, a lack of control and power over time and often your space, those qualities linked to Impatience and Martyrdom, respectively. What could have turned into rather devastating and intense final few months of the year were met, instead, with resolve, patience, flexibility, pause, and reflection. However difficult the past year was, we have seen most of our students having brought a sort of softness to the process, a kind of trust, and an authentic surrender to those things that are simply not within the immediate control of the Personality. This pattern of reflection, pause, and gentle flexibility is helping to confidently launch 2010 into its Goal of Dominance, a clear indication to us that many are ready to direct the experiences of the next year, instead of simply “dealing with them.” The Goal of Dominance is an effort to generate a state of management over various factors, facets, and elements that are intended for alignment toward the same accomplishments, satisfactions, fulfillments. The Positive Pole of Dominance is LEADERSHIP. This is the state that draws out of all factors, facets, and elements a clear path toward fulfillment of a shared goal, and is the provision of the necessary tools for that to be accomplished. Leadership is an invitation in a certain direction that is adaptable, and the support of those factors, facets, and elements in that direction. Leadership is the capacity for identifying the strengths and weaknesses of the parts necessary for fulfillment of a direction, and the organization of those accordingly. The Negative Pole of Dominance is DICTATORSHIP. This is the state the imposes a direction upon various factors, facets, and elements necessary for fulfilling an intention, with punishment or collapse as a result of any straying from that direction. Dictatorship is a demand that has no room for negotiation, and has no concern for the various strengths that may come from one factor over another, simply assigning tasks and functions as needed, rather than with any strategy. Dictatorship is a loss of awareness of the process and a blindness by the anticipation for the end result. Over January, we see that many of our students are jump-starting their lives again in a way that requires access to new sources of Inspiration. For those who might exemplify Dominance in the Positive Pole, this access to new sources of inspiration would not be something that is going to show up as an active process as much as it might show up as a practice in awareness. This would be a form of Leadership, in that an assessment period is first, before any actual direction is concluded. For those who might exemplify Dominance in the Negative Pole, this access to new sources of inspiration would be expected to have already become clear, and there is an eagerness to simply get to where one wants to go, figuratively or literally. This might show up as agitation, annoyance, and scattered distraction as end result becomes more important than the steps necessary for fulfillment. What we can suggest for most of you is to keep in mind that this is a SAGE year, so when there is a tendency toward Negative Poles, it would do you well to LISTEN. Often the static and chatter of the brain and over-anticipations can leave one with a deficit of focus and an overabundance of misdirected energy. Listening is a means of activating your senses in a way that pays attention to feedback around you, pays attention to internal voices, hints and clues from your world around you. Listening would help you to embrace your sense of inspiration and direction, and allow you to clearly see who or what is on board in the interest of the same direction and end result, keeping you in Leadership, instead of Dominance. If you feel you would like to “make a difference” in the year ahead, or that “this is the year” that you would like to alter directions for any level of your being, the energy is full force for this to occur, and with great support. However, this will require some amount of delicate handling of energy in a way that can be used in the way you intend, instead of scatter-spraying your intentions outwardly and hoping something of satisfaction comes from that. There is little passivity showing up in the months ahead, so it may be important to take your moments of rest seriously, allowing those moments to be full, deep, and invigorating, rather than squeezed in, or done with guilt. KEY DATES: NEXUS – January 11 – 13 focused on pivoting toward Agreements involved with personal tasks KEY PHRASES: WHEN I AM LOST, I WILL LISTEN – This is simply a reminder that when feeling scattered, hyper, or agitated, it may simply be because you are missing the details in the information and communication coming to you from around you. Listening may bring you the insights and connection to your inspiration again, which would help balance your energy in a way that allows for a focus of direction again. END THE Michaels thru TROY www.truthloveenergy.ning.com

01-05-2010, 05:59 PM

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THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915

Re: Baby, Young, Mature, Old Souls ... Michael Teachings Title: MICHAEL SPEAKS (online) Date: Sunday January 10, 2010 Time: 4:00 pm - 7:00 pm Location: http://www.TruthLoveEnergy.com (online-NOTE, if you wish to ask questions, related to WORLD events, etc., general questions ~ NOT questions OF a personal nature but, questions that benefit, all who are listening that can be done) TROY-operates very specifically SO PEOPLE DO NOT TALK ALL OVER, EACH other there is no chatting during the session, unless he solicits your comments also, it is NOT until he asks/and, opens the QUE for questions that you should type his requested prompt of (***) meaning, i wish to ask a question & be placed in the que for questions then, he takes, one person, at a time he will state your user name...and, then, ask you to ask your question there is always a script to read, that is archieved The event is FREE, however, many do give small donations thru paypal, etc., Join the CausalConnection Chat Room at http://www.truthloveenergy.com and interact with Michael, Troy, and the many students and friends who love learning about life, the universe, and everything! Format is OPEN FLOOR, so all questions are encouraged. Personal questions can be asked, but ONLY when phrased in a way that is applicable to all. ENJOY! (which means, it is NOT a place, to ask for your own personal chart/or overleaves) Though the chat is FREE, it is highly encouraged to occasionally donate as a means to help keep this possible. You may use the convenient donation link found at the home page of the site. Thank you so much!! troy www.truthloveenergy.com Last edited by THE eXchanger; 01-06-2010 at 06:51 PM.